10:03 CHAT DONT TURN HIM AWAY FROM THE GAME THERES A STREAMER MODE FOR IT THAT DOESNT INVOLVE ANY OF THE LICENSED SONGS I WOULD LOVE FLATS TO PLAY THIS
Oh my God Wandersong was genuinely one of the most incredible games I've ever played. An extremely touching and well written story. Its 100% worth your time
Sorry man, complaining about Ashley in RE4 is a skill issue. At least in the original, she is the best, most painless escort mission character ever made.
This reminds me of a korean webnovel/webtoon that I read recently called Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint where our main character, Kim Dokja, is a normal dude that's the only reader of a post apocalyptic webnovel that soon becomes reality. It's got a super interesting multi protagonist perspective for the entire story where we as the reader of the novel experience most of the story through our protagonist Dokja, but in universe he's following and meddling with the story of the in universe novel's protagonist.
2:37 Mr. WookieJockstrap: I hope you'll see this but whether the game is 3 days old, 3 years old or 30 years old, spoilers will always be spoilers. LOADS of people still replay older forgotten games. I hate seeing this nonsense of "the game has been released for x amount of time, if you haven't played by now you you weren't going to." And I'm saying this is as someone that doesn't care about spoilers, lots of people do. No matter the age of said media.
For me there's a game that made me really want to see this concept pushed to it's extreme, as someone who loves mystery novels, and loves how Sherlock Holmes is written from the perspective of Watson (whom gets PLENTY of time to rag on how awful a person Sherlock is, but how important he is to the world and it's safety.) It's going to sound absurd but "Phantasy Star Portable 2" is a game on, as you would expect, PSP. In it, your custom character proceeds to join a sort-of joint mercenary taskforce for a mission. In the duration of this mission, things go wrong, and do in part to your actions, you, and the protagonist, end up trapped in a dangerous facility, during your attempt to get out, you find exactly why this place is dangerous, a giant, RAMPAGING monstrosity, during your feeble attempts to fight for your life, the protagonist gets attacked, and as your heroic character you jump in front of them... and die. Because of things that only get explained later, and is the CORE narrative of the game, the protagonist resurrects you, unwittingly, and now your story begins. Why does she have these powers? And worse still, why do such powers exist? This is the direction the story takes, and the story itself revolves around her, with you there for the ride, and it's great in my eyes.
1st: Hardcore Henry is a 1st person movie. 2nd: if you'd like something that's quite deep, look up or play Nier Automata, the game that asks: why do you really play games?
Hot take: but in the witcher games, geralt is not the protaganist but ciri is lol. the story is around ciri and not geralt lol. its what ciri does based on what u did that the game is about. But I think Kingdom come deliverance is where u r not the main character at all, u r just a bumbling fool who is a black smith son stuck in middle of a great political conflict of kings getting kidnapped and another king becoming HRE and lot of nobles planning on what to do , and u r just a guy doing whatever the noble tells you to do lol.
Half of these times you don't even want to help for money, you're just pressured into helping by having quest dropped on you via "can you do that one simple thing, if not people will die. C'ya!"
There is a big miss information in this video, playing a passive main character doesn't make you not the main character and it also doesn't make the guide/mentor character the main character either. Passive protagonists are usually boring IMO but that doesn't mean they are not the main character.
Main character ≠ protagonist. All this stuff is also inherently debatable, as while you can argue according to convention, it's not like there's strict definitions for protagonists. You can absolutely have passive protagonists, but honestly that's a pretty big risk in a narrative. Protagonists are usually compelling because they drive the story forward in some way; a protagonist without agency is usually uninteresting and/or infuriating. It's generally only for a badly written story or a deliberately subversive one that a passive protagonist appears; something like an unaware protagonist constantly getting credit for things they didn't do for comedic effect, or in terms of negative examples a protagonist who gets all their problems resolved by deus ex machina contrivances. The video Flats is reacting to is discussing the narrative role of the characters in these games, not their passivity. The closest to a passive protagonist in any of their examples is the cat from Stray, but the cat does have its own conflict to resolve (being trapped in the city), which it explicitly takes action towards; it's really just that it doesn't have any form of character growth or arc (given its non-human nature) that makes it a weak argument for protagonist. It's explicitly not passive, as it is a "vehicle" for both its own story and the story of B-12, it's just not particularly invested in the journey.
10:03 CHAT DONT TURN HIM AWAY FROM THE GAME THERES A STREAMER MODE FOR IT THAT DOESNT INVOLVE ANY OF THE LICENSED SONGS I WOULD LOVE FLATS TO PLAY THIS
I second this
Tooooooo big to Faaaaaiiil
Agreed, game is dope!!
Halo: ODST really made me feel hopeless, but still trying to be a badass, heroic rookie in a war where I feel so alone
Oh my God Wandersong was genuinely one of the most incredible games I've ever played. An extremely touching and well written story. Its 100% worth your time
Sorry man, complaining about Ashley in RE4 is a skill issue. At least in the original, she is the best, most painless escort mission character ever made.
This reminds me of a korean webnovel/webtoon that I read recently called Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint where our main character, Kim Dokja, is a normal dude that's the only reader of a post apocalyptic webnovel that soon becomes reality. It's got a super interesting multi protagonist perspective for the entire story where we as the reader of the novel experience most of the story through our protagonist Dokja, but in universe he's following and meddling with the story of the in universe novel's protagonist.
Don't let the 6v6ers cap you, Hi-Fi Rush has a streamer mode and the music lines up better than the random needle drop. Except 1 but it's ok
it would be so cool to see flats play Hi-Fi rush, i think he would love it!
6:10 Guns Akimbo staring Daniel Radcliffe
2:37 Mr. WookieJockstrap: I hope you'll see this but whether the game is 3 days old, 3 years old or 30 years old, spoilers will always be spoilers. LOADS of people still replay older forgotten games. I hate seeing this nonsense of "the game has been released for x amount of time, if you haven't played by now you you weren't going to."
And I'm saying this is as someone that doesn't care about spoilers, lots of people do. No matter the age of said media.
For me there's a game that made me really want to see this concept pushed to it's extreme, as someone who loves mystery novels, and loves how Sherlock Holmes is written from the perspective of Watson (whom gets PLENTY of time to rag on how awful a person Sherlock is, but how important he is to the world and it's safety.)
It's going to sound absurd but "Phantasy Star Portable 2" is a game on, as you would expect, PSP. In it, your custom character proceeds to join a sort-of joint mercenary taskforce for a mission.
In the duration of this mission, things go wrong, and do in part to your actions, you, and the protagonist, end up trapped in a dangerous facility, during your attempt to get out, you find exactly why this place is dangerous, a giant, RAMPAGING monstrosity, during your feeble attempts to fight for your life, the protagonist gets attacked, and as your heroic character you jump in front of them...
and die.
Because of things that only get explained later, and is the CORE narrative of the game, the protagonist resurrects you, unwittingly, and now your story begins. Why does she have these powers? And worse still, why do such powers exist? This is the direction the story takes, and the story itself revolves around her, with you there for the ride, and it's great in my eyes.
I was typing in the Watson/Sherlock comparison to Stray when the video talked about it.
Some movies mainly seen in horror movies some scenes in a 1st pov for jump scares but they arent usually don't but does happy
I loveddd that essay when I watched it!!
Hardcore henry. 1st person movie
the forever winter is a recent one like this as well
Hardcore henry is awesome and worth a watch
Another game that i think falls into this category would definitely be the lost ember. Great game brw
i didnt think he'd upload this. its been like a month or two since the stream lol
Hi-fi rush is easily one of my favorite games EVER
The one that came to me instantly is Oblivion. At the end the other guy saves the world and you end up just being "The main guy's pal". 😂
Kingdom Come Deliverance. At least the first half of the game but even then you’re just a normal guy
wont notice this but hardcore henry was a first person movie it was a bit over the top but a good turn your brain off experience
Stray is an amazing game
Hi fi rush is also an amazing game. So dang fun
not a movie but "peep show"
1st: Hardcore Henry is a 1st person movie.
2nd: if you'd like something that's quite deep, look up or play Nier Automata, the game that asks: why do you really play games?
6:10 hardcore henry
HI FLATS
Ai ik this might sound a lil crazy so just hear me out rq…. But based off this definition…. Doesn’t that mean u aren’t the main character in Pokemon?
yeah *hardcore henry*
Hi flats
Sorry but anyone who complains about Ashley in RE4 has a skill issue lmao. I had her die once and that was me shooting her on accident.
Hardcore Henry, first person action movie, it was not terrible, although i didnt like the pov pft
Hot take: but in the witcher games, geralt is not the protaganist but ciri is lol. the story is around ciri and not geralt lol. its what ciri does based on what u did that the game is about.
But I think Kingdom come deliverance is where u r not the main character at all, u r just a bumbling fool who is a black smith son stuck in middle of a great political conflict of kings getting kidnapped and another king becoming HRE and lot of nobles planning on what to do , and u r just a guy doing whatever the noble tells you to do lol.
Old runescape your literally just some guy. You're not important. Half the time you dont even want to be there but only help people for money.
Half of these times you don't even want to help for money, you're just pressured into helping by having quest dropped on you via "can you do that one simple thing, if not people will die. C'ya!"
Borderlands 3 😂 story
There is a big miss information in this video, playing a passive main character doesn't make you not the main character and it also doesn't make the guide/mentor character the main character either.
Passive protagonists are usually boring IMO but that doesn't mean they are not the main character.
Main character ≠ protagonist. All this stuff is also inherently debatable, as while you can argue according to convention, it's not like there's strict definitions for protagonists.
You can absolutely have passive protagonists, but honestly that's a pretty big risk in a narrative. Protagonists are usually compelling because they drive the story forward in some way; a protagonist without agency is usually uninteresting and/or infuriating.
It's generally only for a badly written story or a deliberately subversive one that a passive protagonist appears; something like an unaware protagonist constantly getting credit for things they didn't do for comedic effect, or in terms of negative examples a protagonist who gets all their problems resolved by deus ex machina contrivances.
The video Flats is reacting to is discussing the narrative role of the characters in these games, not their passivity. The closest to a passive protagonist in any of their examples is the cat from Stray, but the cat does have its own conflict to resolve (being trapped in the city), which it explicitly takes action towards; it's really just that it doesn't have any form of character growth or arc (given its non-human nature) that makes it a weak argument for protagonist. It's explicitly not passive, as it is a "vehicle" for both its own story and the story of B-12, it's just not particularly invested in the journey.