It had the excuse that it was developed in a pandemic (and experimental) but its sequel does not have that excuse so we have every right to expect far better
It is not our burden as consumers to justify their constraints and accept lesser products for it for the same price. They still chose to sell it to us knowing what it was, and that removes any excuse they had. I get your point though.
butt stallion was special... which for gearbox means dead meat. only the trash will survive. I'm still shook over maya man, and krieg, he and she deserve way better, and whats with another kid entering BL? we have tiny tina, a lot of tiny tina in fact, and they throw another kid in? bro, i'm done lol
It was a kids imagination and of course Tina was gonna bring her back in her own story Heck she did the same thing to Roland who was about to die to jack but change it to when bloodwing save him
@@donovan_salgado Yeah, it felt lore consistent to me. I enjoyed my playthrough, even if after beating it I promptly reinstalled Borderlands 2; back when the company felt like it had something to prove
@@0fficalHellfireBlowing up the ocean is one of my favorite scenes in this entire series. Wish the rest of the game was that good. (I say this as someone who also likes this game, but didn’t bother finishing it)
Even Borderlands 3's DLCs were pretty good too. A combination of 2 and 3's would be great, but they'll probably go down the route of Borderlands 3's and Tales 2's story. Meaning god awful writing; written by people who don't even care for the franchise and have an agenda to push.
yeah that's true. I liked the tropical island dlc, it was really cool actually but it broke the damn game and after all that time of it being completely fine. it think it wasn't even the dlc really, they capped levels and changed how bosses work. classic oh jesus moment
@@MrRADicalOfficial honestly, the fustercluck dlc was just that, my favorite guy from bl2 besides zero who has the personality of an emoji, two of the coolest cats on pandora kreig and maya a genuinly cute couple, for no reason killed to death and ended by the writing choices. terrible story throughout, terrible ending. just ends with an imagination of something is close enough. that's not what that was supposed to mean. that was really fucked. no room for that in BL anywhere. it was far from close enough. and hey, gay people are cool, we all know that, but you can tell when there is an inserted piece that does not belong, also the agenda of saying ugly people are actually the good looking people, perfect example is the rich scientist chick from tales 2, is she black? indian? wtf? explain? I know hammerlocks black af, idk what this lady is and idk why they chose that accent for her, it's so obscure and unknown it references a people group or race we don't even know about, and may not even exist, which doesn't make anyone racist for raising an eyebrow, like, even if you were curious, good luck finding out anything on the culture of that woman. and the tiny tina thing, I love that character but shes being used in a strange fan service kind of way. like maybe it's made for people who wear fedoras. just saying. again, not us. been holding that in lol
@@riioas5543 I guess that one was more in depth but I couldn't stand it lol except I liked Mr Torgue making everything badass as hell all hell. I really liked the tropical one actually with old crabby but it capped the entire game for no reason. They also had that one that looked like it was in Ireland, it was all rainy, moxxy was there, that was pretty cool, you get to see her boobs a lot. Bl3 I can't say the same, it's impossible to get any enjoyment from a game you know is designed to take the piss out of you
I feel that this game was actually pretty solid for what it is. Clearly this was some kind of experimental project where they saw people aching for some TTADK themed stuff and they wanted to try their hand at making a whole game based around the concept, and I feel like they did pretty well for someone experiencing the game for the first time. That being said, it is unfortunate that the game never really got much support afterwards and the effort they put into the post game was minimal. I am hoping that they have listened to the community and plan on reworking some cons and adding quality of life changes in the sequel, making it a game that actually holds up to what people are expecting just like the transition from BL1 to BL2.
I'm going to assume that being developed in the pandemic hurt it, but I'm also sure a lot of the team was focused on BL4, so WL got less love. I enjoyed the game, but post launch was awful. Hopefully WL2 and BL4 give life back into the franchise
@@Wynorrific Absolutely. On top of that, I feel like we are in a time where the gaming industry is running into a "testing" period where they are trying new things just to see if they work, as games are becoming very difficult and expensive to make these days. High hopes for the next entries!
Currently playing this game with my buddy, we're having a good time, I'm a spells only graveshot and my buddy is a trigger happy stabbomancer. I understand that its a DnD parody, so alot of it is just Gearboxes version of DnD adapted into a borderlands game, and its just enjoyable imo.
It's a great game on your first or second playthrough. A lot of people including Hellfire here said he enjoyed his first playthrough. Which from memory is about 40 or so hours. Especially if you take your time looking around the maps for the collectables. I think that's a great experience tbh. Many great full priced games out there that are one and done story games.
I stopped after the 2nd "PLC" confirmed we were sold garbage, the chaos chmabers were the only thing to do, and i hated them. Thats like making borderlands 2's gameplay ONLY digistruct peak, except digistruct peak is somehow better
I bought it and played it. I actually found enjoyable up to chaos 10. If drop rates were set at an across the board rating instead of depending on dice and kept raids and chaos chambers separate I would’ve given it more time.
@0fficalHellfire I don't disagree but seriously using the first 2 missions gameplay lmao. But it's true, I beat once and played most of the way through a second time but went back to BL2 and BL3
Yep for a border lands game replayability and end game are placed highly. I had a ton of potential. And id put it above bl3. In some places it took some steps forward in others it went backwards.
@@thefearturkey6944 the big problem with the end game was all we got was chaos chamber and they kept pumping it to higher levels. At launch everyone liked it we just needed other things. Hopefully wonderlands 2 and bl4 learn from the mistakes of the last 5 games and do better.
Indeed. I enjoyed Wonderlands for a few 100 hours. But the Chaos Chambers just wasn't fun. Also, just as the Pre-sequel, there was no real staying power. Once you've made the characters and builds you were done fast. Also the loot felt limited in scope and you were just re-farming the same thing at higher rarity... same reason I didn't like OP in BL2. Felt so pointless. The DLC's were also a waste of time. The main campaign and side quests were fun though.
Yeah Chaos Chambers was basically Nephalem Rifts from D3 all over again. I got to Chaos 100 the hard way with a 1HP build and it felt it wasn't worth it.
I really really enjoyed Wonderlands on the first 1-2 playthroughs. Meaning start a new hero. And for you to say that you enjoyed it on your first playthrough makes it weird that you don't recommend anyone playing it. There are many games out there that are 1-2 playthrough games that are great. The side quests in Wonderlands were among the best side quests out of the whole Borderlands series imo. Yeah there's no endgame. And that's fine. The combat, especially the melee combat is super fluid and fun.
The other's have no replayability either. Exact same story exact same things. Just becuse they put a shiny turd in front of you to geind for dosent mean its end game . This is not an MMO
@@Nemissis4265the other Borderlands games have decent raid bosses, engaging dlcs such as secret armory and claptastic voyage, and a plethora of great mobbing areas like headstone mine or opportunity. Just because you personally don't like the Borderlands endgame content does not mean the games aren't replayable, the fact that Borderlands 2 still has more players than wonderlands is evidence enough that it is quite replayable.
@@breakfaith3031BL2 appeals to people that don't mind doing exactly what you need to do to "win". And for BL2 that is using 2, maybe 3 guns and grinding for optimal gear that compliments those guns. That's lame as hell. Just because autistic people hyper focus on it, doesn't mean it's fun.
I remember my bud enjoying a single playthrough of this and when I saw what it offered, it didn't interest me. I haven't had a Borderlands itch and when I revisit say BL3 or BL2: it just smacks me how much the franchise has missed just by utter competence and feel bad for any dev who works on these due to someone like Randy or higher guys rejecting the most basic ideas.
dude, it's the fuckin hyperion story all over again, but theres no vault hunters willing to go kill jack-ass. too scary to leave your home and fix this shit I guess
or maybe we need another handsome jack working at gearbox to really stir the pot in the right direction, and get real with bl4, ai making a billion guns isn't impressive, it seems like it's a system for a billion guns, soulless, the guns in bl2 had soul, I like em, bl3, I don't like em. it's too complicated and none of it's interesting.
like the gun system feels completely random, which it is, but the point is for like the stars to align, but there's too many stars, and too many things on screen
So your entire gripe about the game is that it’s exactly what it tells you it is? “We’re NOT VAULT HUNTERS!?” Ok? The entire premise of the game is that you’re playing a fantasy game with Tina. “It’s not repeatable!” Combine classes “You can’t change classes whenever you want” you’re not meant to, kinda defeats the purpose.
Yeah I'm playing it after getting it on sale and people said it's not worth making a new character. They made it sound like you can switch classes any time, but you can only change the second class? That literally means I have to play as every other class to get the full experience and I'm all for it. So glad I didn't sell the legendary classes I found.
You can equip two of the 4 abilities from your classes? I just finished my first playthrough, and I was equipping one ability at a time... did I misunderstand what you meant, or did I miss something about the abilities in the game?
I actually really loved wonderlands at launch. The story was enjoyable, the game play was on par with borderlands 3, and I thought the Dragon Lord was pretty entertaining. That said, the endgame is what lost me entirely. Although I didn’t mind chaos chambers (before they added 100 of them), the game needed more raid bosses and story-driven content, which the dlcs didn’t deliver. I remember thinking that if this game had great dlcs, it could be up there as one of the best in the franchise. Unfortunately, that never came to fruition.
@@marvintehrobot5467 Thissss... idk why ppl act like borderlands 3 was good. In comparison to 1 and 2, and hell, even the per-sequil, it was a MASSIVE downgrade. I don't care about visual fidelity, I don't care about a huge amount of skill variety, I just want a solid looter shooter that takes after borderlands 2's story, boss variety, DLC, and loot system. They had a PERFECT FORMULA and decided to change things nobody asked them to change. Like they made every fetch quest and waypoint 9999 miles away from where you spawn, The map is terrible and has 0 indication of height, the actual waypoint markers dont show up in game, so a lot of the time you're forced to just wander around until you find the right thing to interact with. God i hate that game. Nah, borderlands is done, at least for me. They killed it with 3.
@@marvintehrobot5467 how is comparing the gameplay to bl3 an insult? I personally think borderlands 3 is the most fun in the entire series. loot system is kinda wonky since its legendries galore but its still a very fun game. Say what you want about Borderlands 3 on literally anything else but its a very fun game. Even the guy above me who hates the game doesn't even complain about the gameplay that much lmaoo he just cries about quests, the map and waypoint markers
I can understand that having a Fatemaker who doesn't "make Fate" is weird, but by the same logic our characters weren't really Vault Hunters in the older games either. We always just followed the ones who got there first. Steele opened the vault in BL1, Jack did in BL2, Zarpedon did in TPS, and Vallory did it in TFTBL, tho this can be debated since the vault needed to be reopened. So the first time we play as a so called Vault Hunter - who both opened a vault and fought the monster inside it - was either Rhys and Fiona, or - ironically - in BL3 with the Promethea vault. But come on, it's a tabletop game withing a game franchise. Why would their title be Vault Hunter in a fantasy setting of a role playing game ? :D Also, Tina IS expanded upon, but Wonderlands chronologically takes place either before the Commander Lilith DLC where the B Team is formed, or between that and BL3 where she is grown. This is TINY Tina, with her grief still lingering, trying to cope. I thought this was pretty obvious.
Bro your lack of 👍 on your post is like the lack of understanding in this video. It just makes me wonder why ppl don't take the time to read comments. All in all your spot on.
@@kylekeylon4559 Just the internet being the internet. Don't get me wrong, I don't read much comments either, but you are right, most people don't usually read them if they are longer than two sentences. If any. =)
I personally love this game because i play this with my older brother and im making good memories and the ocean is CRAZY and some of the side quests are amazing and feel like main story quests the plant one after you blow up the ocean and teh soul system is amazing the spells and skills are cool and the intro animation is amazing with the hate on the newbie and the gun system is kinda cool like having a billion different weapons unique on there on way and the legendary items are actually nice
Seriously, they need a Borderlands 4 with Tina as a playable vault hunter. I could imagine some of her skill tree including things like "All Tina's grenades have MIRV (5, 8, 10, 12, 16, depending on how many points are spent) ability. If your Grenade mod already has MIRV ability, each of the child grenades also has the MIRV ability granted by the grenade mod." and "All your grenades have the Homing ability, If your grenade mod also has homing ability, homing speed is doubled" and "Tina can use grenades during Fight for your Life" and "If Tina is out of grenades, using the grenade ability consumes one non-equipped grenade mod to fill her grenade capacity" The "All your grenades have...(whatever)" skills would be in different trees at tier 3. These kind of skills would give us the Tiny Tina we all want to see.
The potential of this game alone got me so excited. Back before it released, my DnD buddies and I talked about this game and what kind of weapons, guns, stories, characters, places, and whatever else they could add from the DnD manuals or other inspiration to Wonderlands. We all played it when it came out, which we all had a good time with it, but once your done with the first playthrough you start to see the actual issue. For me personally, I am such a Borderlands fan, this was just fun for me to play. Not that it didn't have it's issues(it definitely does), but having that new coat of paint for basically the same game was enough for me to enjoy this on it's own because it's different enough where I can play it when I'm bored of the other games.
Butt Stallion was in Tales From The Borderlands too though, and that one is canon tbf - whether or not it was ever alive at any point or just manufactured or something is in the air
Just realized actually. If jack bought butt stallion in 2 why is butt stallion mentioned in wonderlands at all? Unless the game takes place between jack buying it and jack killing Roland.
@@Voicegoblin You steal/"Rescue" Butt Stallion from one of Jack's bases in Borderlands 2 DLC as a side mission for Tiny Tina. Saving Butt Stallion is also one of the main mission objectives in the TTADK DLC. Wonderlands then takes place between Borderlands 2 and 3.
I was confused by the appearance of this game because we'd already had it, in Borderlands 2 DLC. Tina has already taken us on a DnD adventure, with actual character development and story. Why would we do it again?
That's a weird question to ask seeing how you can ask that about any game sequel. I mean, why play Borderlands 2 when you already have Borderlands? Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep is one of the highest rated and best selling DLC in the entire Borderlands history. Along with rising interest in TTRPGs like DnD at the time (as well as Tiny Tina being an absolute fan favorite character), the actual question is why WOULDN'T people do it again? Like with any sequel, we knew we'd be getting new story, character, and gameplay alongside story, character, and gameplay we're familiar with (alongside probably a few things that we'd have problems with. I mean...that's just how reality works; you take the good with the bad). There was great potential with something that worked really well in the past and the timing of game's release was in the game's favor due to other things happening irl. I do understand that, AFTER the game was launched, we saw that the shortcomings outweighed the good (honestly, there's a lot of criticism about the game that's valid). Even with that said, we still got some great things from Wonderlands that make the game worth playing at least once (including one of the best villains in the whole Borderlands franchise; one I'd say is a close-second to Handsome Jack himself).
Imagine if it actually got real post launch support like borderlands 2. Or at least borderlands 1. it would’ve at least been replay-able with some good dlc
i cant wait to see you, mak and thicc with bl4 being honest and upfront about it. question since gearbox rarely learns from mistakes since mak is forever off the team will they do a battlepass and mtx's like they were planning for 3?
There’s a chance. But hopefully the backlash from bl3’s attempts at this practice will keep any potential battle pass plans locked away in the vault. But hey man, that’s what I’m here for. To give you the up front and honest truth of what’s going on with borderlands and sprinkle in my take on it
@@0fficalHellfireI think there is a high chance. Tbh with you hell I didn’t even know about bl3 battle pass till 2022. lol I’m not kidding my friends and I didn’t even know about it whatsoever I wish I was lying but we barley kept up with bl3 news we found out about in 2022 when mak posted the screenshot and we saw it. Not gonna lie it made us furious furious enough to say screw bl3 we all deleted the game yeah we know it didn’t full happen but the vault cards are clearly the remnant of what it was going to be. Mak wasn’t kidding when he said the shills throwing it under the rug
@@strafer3459 yeah this game was designed to take advantage of your time, and rape your wallet. their trying to screw you over any possible way. they have the wrong business model. they didn't when they made bl2 and our beloved pre sequel and tales
I enjoyed Wonderlands for the short campaign, it had more laughs for me than Borderlands 3. It was way too short though, and its replayability is low. They should have released more content for it, but let it die to work on B4.
The biggest problem with it was just lack of replayability the no new game plus ruined it for me thats always been part of borderlands identity thats sold the series for me its always cool replaying through a story with all the cool gear you found by the end of the game the story was leagues better then bl3 so its actually fun to play through whats the point of having good guns if theres nothing to do cause chaos chamber is boring asfk to me ive never been a fan of the round based missions in borderlands personally.
Or more so i would like to say whats the point of having good guns if there no variety of things to do with them chaos Chambers just basically the same thing over and over
One of the things that the mainline also does for replayability is the different characters all having their own unique builds (and multiple of them at that). This game tries hard to be creative with you being able to grab any 2 classes but in the end it really doesn't make them feel all that different from each other. The classes are only really good for one thing so it doesn't leave much room for experimentation
I genuinely enjoy this game Also you don't have to play thru the chambers 100 times every time you beat it it goes up by 5 as far as I'm aware. I did just get the game some maybe in the past they had that but now it's by 5s
Personally I think the biggest problem was making it for teens. That and adding modern comments, like vending machine congratulating you for surviving capitalism. It was built up like it was a full game in the style of dragons keep. Then get lectured by a teenage Tina about name calling when as an adult she does it in B3. But demonic possession, that’s fine. I preordered chaotic edition, but after this (and plc bullshine), as well as making tales 2 cannon. B4 though I will give the movie a chance unless it’s rated teen then I’ll pass.
Base game was fine with those 4 small "side quest" in overworld like small DLC that were 2/3 hours long each. If game had 4 big DLCs like BL3 it would be awesome
I haven't played this game for about 6 month or more and when I decided to replay it, it started to lag spike for some reason. Yee great game which can even work. Playing bl2 and bl3 no problem with fps. Bl3 , wonderlands , new tales and that borderlands movie writing already have me disappointed about bl4. If that game sucks rip this franchise. Also wonderlands scammed fans with dlc season pass.
It wasn’t funny, the classes were uninteresting and the guns were kinda boring. Just didn’t enjoy my time and found the dialogue was so obnoxious I just stopped playing shortly after getting into the city.
My biggest regret is saying this game was gonna be the best in the series during the story... then the damn chaos chambers had to go and slap me in the face with a wet and sharp fish
I mean did you actually believe that story was it would be the best in the franchise? Or were you saying that because female empowerment or whatever? Because while tiny Tina is a fantastic character she's only good in small doses which is why her DLC in borderlands 2 was so amazing and absolutely beloved by everybody. Saying that this game was going to be the best is a stretch and even you couldn't even convince yourself that it was good lol
@@billdover3165 idk what happened to you, but I'm sorry it happened. I meant gameplay, it had easily the best potential in the series. Keep being an incel tho, it suits you
I've always hated the overabundance of legendry's in the latest games of the series. They don't feel as powerful, and you mix in the anointed stuff and you're just farming for a roll on a specific gun. I miss when getting a legendary actually meant something, not instant gratification where more then half are useless.
God I remember when I first picked up Wonderlands on launch lmao. It was fun. Tons of fun. I was enjoying exploring the maps, finding new cool loot and secrets, playing the sub missions, messing around with my class and the multi-class system, there was a lot of good fun to be had here. But that's all it was, strong foundations. Foundations that after end game and some Chaos Chamber playing, after I had beaten all 4 raid bosses, I jjst sat back and waited and wondered, "Well that was fun, I wonder what's next? I can't wait to see what updates and additions they have in store for the game." Well here we are now and since then I have never picked the game back up. Not even since after they added those Mirror things. I just didn't have any incentive to play anymore. What a load of dung like actually wtf? Gearbox had a very strong foundation for a very special game to stand on, but they kept it barren and naked and empty. It was just sad to see how quickly Gearbox dropped the game's development. It could in a weird way have been like the TPS we never got, an extra BL game for the franchise aside from the main numbered entries that is as big and vast as one of them. Welp that never happened. I remember coming up with ideas as to possible DLCs with my friends. Ideas of different fantasy like places and settings Tina could think up of. Maybe having some other BL characters like Marcus or Brick or Mordecai make their own smaller-set DLC-sized campaigns where they tell the story and are the Bunker Master lol. Yeah we all ended up forgetting Wonderlands existed after a while 😂. Fkn pathetic honestly.
Idk how they think they could get me to care about a throwaway joke from Handsome Jack's voice actor. How up your own ass as a writer do you have to be where "butt stalion" is "so epic funny XD XD" that it deserved to go this far. It's the epitome of the toxic cringe that Gearbox fosters.
Kind of shocked you didnt metion the PC gamers bring the modded gear into the game. Someone modded ragnorok (sword) to cast fireballs with nuclear explosions or a Ring to provide +10,000 Luck so every weapon was garenteed Legendary. I had like 500+ Legendaries in my bank all different flavor texts. Thats what hurt Borderlands 3 gameplay to Legendaries didnt feel like Legendaries. Story: None of the main cast was really there, Tina even explains (I think) that she improves the voices. Heck the two side characters that are suppose to be playing the game with you, are not even in the game with there own characters. Lorelai transitioning to Lor in this game. Felt off to me and convinced me further that the Change-U stations in B2 and B3 are gonna include character gender swapping in B4.
It failed because of the structure of the game. The BIG issues for me were - No NG+, really. So just as you leveled to max so now can't use build - No story DLC. Perfect setting for big story DLC but no, chaos chambers - F^&k chaos chambers, they were just boring as F. I enjoyed my one and only play through the story though :)
Valid criticism, but I got into this game only recently and am enjoying messing around with various builds in the chaos chamber. The lack of TVHM is a real problem, though
You seem to be entirely unaware that there are a group of borderlands fans old enough to play games as a single player story and then put the game down. We aren't interested in endlessly playing one game for years on end. For us, wonderlands is a fantastic spin off and the lack of any real end game hasn't tainted our experience.
That's what I'm saying. This game feels like Borderlands 1, no over the top inflation in damage for no reason that makes gear obsolete every 3 levels. Purples are actually usable and can be better than legendaries at times. These speedrunner types that need to optimize the hell out of a game to the point of being unfun are ruining the series.
Yelp it is suppose to be the Gotham Knights game for Batman or Marvel's Avengers, they tried to sell Avengers the game for 2$ and all the skins free and people still refused
gearbox: BL needs more butts and twerking. and iphones. call apple see if we can make a deal with that shit ass company whom I kinda like the products of. better than windows for sure unless your trying to game on a pc, but I like consoles so get fucked, my life is easier. xbox on your tv plus macOS on your desk, life hack for productivity and ability to get up and completely crush the day
What makes it the weakest of all is, we've already played Bunkers and Badasses. We know the jokes where a place starts out all nice, then Tina remembers everything is supposed to be bad so it suddenly shifts. We all know the uber sad feels with Roland and her missing palying with him. It's the same with the skill trees, just a bunch of re-hash.
I like this game because my brother and I can play co-op, it lets him get taste of the wackiness of the Borderlands universe while he's not quite mature enough for the mainline games.
Fun for a playthrough but then there's literally nothing left to do other than the boring same old chaos chambers and dlcs that have a half hour of playtime at the most (btw I never even bought the dlcs just like you)
After Borderlands 3 left me feeling so disappointed I had no care in the world to play another Borderlands game or even a Gearbox game especially since I preordered it back when I was streamlining preorders like a junky my last being Cyberpunk. Until I was so excited to see the anti woke Stellar Blade that I put my money up because I wanted to get more games like it and less games that are touched by Sweet Baby Inc
Borderlands 2 was really a special game, and Tiny Tina was definitely a big part of it. She was very well writen, as every other character. Her quirks have a meaning and the more you get to know her the more you care. Even the RPG session on the DLC adds a lot of meaning to her behavior. It's the reason I came to hate her on every other game. She never matured, she never grew up, they kept her as this caricature of herself, deprived of any depth, meaning or development. Quirks alone can't sustain a character, and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands was yet another game that tried to capitilize on her quirks. That just doesn't work, that doesn't resonate with the audience, specially those who played the Godtier game Borderlands 2. Unless they understand why that game was succesful, every new release will be met with indiference.
As a borderlands fan I have never played this game, I was extremely busy when it released so I didn’t even bother with it, then hearing all the backlash I just skipped it. I do want to visit it one day. I did buy it with all the DLC for about £15 so that’s not too bad.
Outside the things you pointed out, my biggest gripe was how the game still focused on guns. We had a character a decade ago that should have been focused on melee, and the loot lists should have included them as options to equip instead of a gun, so the attack button would activate melee attacks. This would have led into BL3 and Amara with her focus on melee. Instead, Amara works best when equipped with a specific GUN that fires punches. Then, TTW would have had it built in that fantasy RPG characters could choose to use melee weapons instead of ranged weapons (go figure, right?). Instead, they kept to the 'everyone loves guns!! Why would they ever want to use melee instead??' crap... despite having characters that would definitely choose melee since the second frikkin game.
Only problem I had was the same problem I had with Presequel: lackluster endgame that equates to little more than hours of grinding. 2 and 3 had enough space and dedicated drops to justify sticking around after the credits. This one really didn't have that much and the DLC was just more grinding.
Im just glad the story was at least better than 3 and was decently compelling (until but stalian got revived) i also enjoyed the game play on my first run
As a genuinely enthusiastic Borderlands player I can honestly state the majority of us disliked the utter failure of B3. TTW is nothing more than suitable spinoff of B3. I haven't played it, and have ZERO interest in doing so. Thanks for your informative video, hellfire.
when the chaotic great edition was on sale for like 80% on christmass i bought it. i mean, if you got it just because you want to play more of what you already like then it's good it pained me to realise however that the only bit of extra content are 4 takedowns, and not only that, the next level edition doesnt even include them, as it came for free on PSplus and couldnt play them with a friend that was on ps4 because he needed to buy them
I've played every single one of them, My personal favorite is the very first one, because it carried me through hard times, my second one is Borderlands 2 (obviously fan favorite) but gotta say, I am really having a blast with Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, the game mechanics are cool and having melee weapons and all feels fresh.
Honestly the biggest issues with this game was the lack of endgame content and lack of additional story from DLCs. I think other than those two things, the game overall is very enjoyable.
Wonderlands would be praised, instead of hated, if it were released as an expansion for BL3 rather than a stand-alone game; and if the price reflected this also. The game is actually a really fun concept just like the BL2 dlc assault on Dragon Keep was, but ultimately it was too lazily done to be on its own.
One big complaint from my end was the lack of music. The Borderlands franchise is known for killer soundtrack. This game was just silent with some procedural music strewn about.
I cant belive i really baught a borderlands game with no new game plus, i didnt even know about the chaos chambers since i dropped the game as soon as i was lvl 5 but knowing what i know now i will never touch this game again. Thank you Hellfire.
The failure to add any sort of new game plus killed it for me even just a campaign reset button would of been fine, I know its not for everyone but I enjoy replaying at max and farming as I go thats how I have always enjoyed these games
The gameplay itself was fine, its a dnd spoof (which i love) so the name change to fatemaker didn't bother me at all... what pissed me off the most about it was the lack of TRUE expansions... what they pawned off as expansions should have been free updates not paid content... and after the backlash after the 1st "nothing expansion" what did they do? The exact same thing over and over, way to listen to the fanbase gearbox....
Regressing to BL1's lack of a playthrough reset option because you falsely assume the problem is multiple playthroughs rather than the painful story pacing of BL3 and the complete lack of a reason to play tvhm in it. :(
It still upsets me that I pre-ordered this game and got the special edition that included all the "DLCs" or what I thought was promised as DLCs at the time due to my faithfulness to the franchise of the Borderlands games, also bc doing that was usually $10-15 dollars cheaper than buying them individually. Because of this I will never do it again especially not for Gearbox
Same brother same I did the same thing and regretted I usually like the series and gunplay enough to farm mostly everything in the first 4 games But his It really is just play it once and your done I just got to max level and when the first dlc drop I just skip it hoping the next one would be better but chaos level 100 and all the dlc will be like the first one crush my dreams and expectations For bl4 I'm gonna wait and see before committing to dlc packs
I like TTW. Even after all the negative feedback from the community. I enjoyed it and that’s all that matters to me. Could they improve the game more and make better DLC? Yes. This game had so much potential! Unfortunately, they ruined that opportunity. Sad really…. It is what it is, still. I enjoyed playing it with my gf. Hopefully, BL4 they make it way better! If not, I’ll no longer purchase any more games from gearbox, until they change.
One of the problems I had with this game was the melee weapons. I was excited to do a melee build and run around the world slashing at people with the weapon IN MY HAND. Not every time I press the melee button…
The game felt more like a full priced borderlands 3 dlc. The game play was boring cause I already played through borderlands 3. One of the other issues I had is the fucking skill points… like what in the fuck? 1 skill tree per build? Shit was lousy as hell
if TT Wonderlands 2 come out out I would like for them to fix their mistakes but also allowing me to use melee weapons again the dopamine I get when I run up and smack the shit out of an enemy with a slow but powerful melee attack and watching them fly hits different
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It had the excuse that it was developed in a pandemic (and experimental) but its sequel does not have that excuse so we have every right to expect far better
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hah that's actually a fair point you make
It is not our burden as consumers to justify their constraints and accept lesser products for it for the same price. They still chose to sell it to us knowing what it was, and that removes any excuse they had. I get your point though.
SEQUEL???? THEY'RE MAKING MORE?!?!??
@@SirTayluh your paying a leaser price for it though 60 dollars is worth much less today than it was 2012
"Fails to do anything a borderlands fan actually cares about" boutta leave that review on 3 and tales 2 and the movie probably
It’s too damn true isn’t it 😭
ok that's actually pretty funny lol
And maybe BL4😢
I hope they delay it and learn a lesson from these debacles.
Aaaaaargh !
Kevin Hart was the nail in the coffin; 5 foot 4 helium sucking Roland ?
I'll save popcorn for the movie reviews 💀
3 was fine gameplay at least is solid
Dude when butt stallion died I was so shocked. It was actually a cool story moment
Agreeeed, it’s the best cutscene in the game with the most emotion and it’s retconned chapters later 😭 why gearbox why.
butt stallion was special... which for gearbox means dead meat. only the trash will survive. I'm still shook over maya man, and krieg, he and she deserve way better, and whats with another kid entering BL? we have tiny tina, a lot of tiny tina in fact, and they throw another kid in? bro, i'm done lol
It was a kids imagination and of course Tina was gonna bring her back in her own story
Heck she did the same thing to Roland who was about to die to jack but change it to when bloodwing save him
@@donovan_salgado Yeah, it felt lore consistent to me. I enjoyed my playthrough, even if after beating it I promptly reinstalled Borderlands 2; back when the company felt like it had something to prove
i didnt find it shocking at all. i knew in the exact same moment when she "died" she will come back to live. i saw the plot twist coming in an instant
I personally loved this game. You get to BLOW UP THE FUCKING OCEAN for Mr Torque.
I respect that, I liked the first play through, seeing him blow up the ocean was amazing. After you beat the game though, it falls apart really fast
@@0fficalHellfireBlowing up the ocean is one of my favorite scenes in this entire series. Wish the rest of the game was that good. (I say this as someone who also likes this game, but didn’t bother finishing it)
@@0fficalHellfireno new game plus was a deal breaker for me
Literally the best part of the game... I like Wonderlands quite a bit, but I would have liked it even more if the whole thing was up to that level.
Damn. You must be retarded.
If gearbox made this more like borderlands 2’s dlc. It would’ve been great
Even Borderlands 3's DLCs were pretty good too. A combination of 2 and 3's would be great, but they'll probably go down the route of Borderlands 3's and Tales 2's story. Meaning god awful writing; written by people who don't even care for the franchise and have an agenda to push.
yeah that's true. I liked the tropical island dlc, it was really cool actually but it broke the damn game and after all that time of it being completely fine. it think it wasn't even the dlc really, they capped levels and changed how bosses work. classic oh jesus moment
@@MrRADicalOfficial honestly, the fustercluck dlc was just that, my favorite guy from bl2 besides zero who has the personality of an emoji, two of the coolest cats on pandora kreig and maya a genuinly cute couple, for no reason killed to death and ended by the writing choices. terrible story throughout, terrible ending. just ends with an imagination of something is close enough. that's not what that was supposed to mean. that was really fucked. no room for that in BL anywhere. it was far from close enough. and hey, gay people are cool, we all know that, but you can tell when there is an inserted piece that does not belong, also the agenda of saying ugly people are actually the good looking people, perfect example is the rich scientist chick from tales 2, is she black? indian? wtf? explain? I know hammerlocks black af, idk what this lady is and idk why they chose that accent for her, it's so obscure and unknown it references a people group or race we don't even know about, and may not even exist, which doesn't make anyone racist for raising an eyebrow, like, even if you were curious, good luck finding out anything on the culture of that woman. and the tiny tina thing, I love that character but shes being used in a strange fan service kind of way. like maybe it's made for people who wear fedoras. just saying. again, not us. been holding that in lol
? Bl2 was awesome but the DLCs were well known for not being good except for dragons keep… the only good BL DLC was BL1
@@riioas5543 I guess that one was more in depth but I couldn't stand it lol except I liked Mr Torgue making everything badass as hell all hell. I really liked the tropical one actually with old crabby but it capped the entire game for no reason. They also had that one that looked like it was in Ireland, it was all rainy, moxxy was there, that was pretty cool, you get to see her boobs a lot. Bl3 I can't say the same, it's impossible to get any enjoyment from a game you know is designed to take the piss out of you
I feel that this game was actually pretty solid for what it is. Clearly this was some kind of experimental project where they saw people aching for some TTADK themed stuff and they wanted to try their hand at making a whole game based around the concept, and I feel like they did pretty well for someone experiencing the game for the first time. That being said, it is unfortunate that the game never really got much support afterwards and the effort they put into the post game was minimal. I am hoping that they have listened to the community and plan on reworking some cons and adding quality of life changes in the sequel, making it a game that actually holds up to what people are expecting just like the transition from BL1 to BL2.
I'm going to assume that being developed in the pandemic hurt it, but I'm also sure a lot of the team was focused on BL4, so WL got less love. I enjoyed the game, but post launch was awful. Hopefully WL2 and BL4 give life back into the franchise
@@Wynorrific Absolutely. On top of that, I feel like we are in a time where the gaming industry is running into a "testing" period where they are trying new things just to see if they work, as games are becoming very difficult and expensive to make these days. High hopes for the next entries!
Currently playing this game with my buddy, we're having a good time, I'm a spells only graveshot and my buddy is a trigger happy stabbomancer. I understand that its a DnD parody, so alot of it is just Gearboxes version of DnD adapted into a borderlands game, and its just enjoyable imo.
It's a great game on your first or second playthrough. A lot of people including Hellfire here said he enjoyed his first playthrough. Which from memory is about 40 or so hours. Especially if you take your time looking around the maps for the collectables. I think that's a great experience tbh. Many great full priced games out there that are one and done story games.
It’s good for 1 play through and that’s It
@@KevintheBarbarianlike the majority of games.
the day they upped the CC levels to 100 was the day I stopped playing
I don’t blame you at all, I saw the writing on the walls when it went from 20 to 40 haha
I stopped after the 2nd "PLC" confirmed we were sold garbage, the chaos chmabers were the only thing to do, and i hated them. Thats like making borderlands 2's gameplay ONLY digistruct peak, except digistruct peak is somehow better
I bought it and played it. I actually found enjoyable up to chaos 10. If drop rates were set at an across the board rating instead of depending on dice and kept raids and chaos chambers separate I would’ve given it more time.
the game feels like a dlc
@@PablitaOrtega77well, it is essentially a sequel to a DLC, so you're not far off (yeah, it's canonically a sequel to the Assault on Dragon Keep DLC)
Hellfire woke up and choose violence this day 🤣
It happens
@0fficalHellfire I don't disagree but seriously using the first 2 missions gameplay lmao. But it's true, I beat once and played most of the way through a second time but went back to BL2 and BL3
Wonderlands was a great game for a play through. Great story, and great villain with a good gameplay it’s just the lack of end game that ruins it.
Yep for a border lands game replayability and end game are placed highly.
I had a ton of potential. And id put it above bl3. In some places it took some steps forward in others it went backwards.
@@thefearturkey6944 the big problem with the end game was all we got was chaos chamber and they kept pumping it to higher levels. At launch everyone liked it we just needed other things. Hopefully wonderlands 2 and bl4 learn from the mistakes of the last 5 games and do better.
Indeed. I enjoyed Wonderlands for a few 100 hours. But the Chaos Chambers just wasn't fun. Also, just as the Pre-sequel, there was no real staying power. Once you've made the characters and builds you were done fast. Also the loot felt limited in scope and you were just re-farming the same thing at higher rarity... same reason I didn't like OP in BL2. Felt so pointless. The DLC's were also a waste of time. The main campaign and side quests were fun though.
Yeah Chaos Chambers was basically Nephalem Rifts from D3 all over again.
I got to Chaos 100 the hard way with a 1HP build and it felt it wasn't worth it.
Lmfao the lack of Every borderlands end is the exact same dude Stop D riding its a story game not an MMO lmfao
If you’re not real familiar with the whole franchise and you just jump on this game it’s fun to me. I’m kinda hooked
Still haven't finished Wonderlands lol;
And I've been going back and playing the other games lately
You made the right call
I really really enjoyed Wonderlands on the first 1-2 playthroughs. Meaning start a new hero. And for you to say that you enjoyed it on your first playthrough makes it weird that you don't recommend anyone playing it. There are many games out there that are 1-2 playthrough games that are great. The side quests in Wonderlands were among the best side quests out of the whole Borderlands series imo.
Yeah there's no endgame. And that's fine. The combat, especially the melee combat is super fluid and fun.
To be honest a 1-2 play through is good enough for me I never even completed pre sequel I conpleted bl2 never finished bl3 either xD
The other's have no replayability either. Exact same story exact same things. Just becuse they put a shiny turd in front of you to geind for dosent mean its end game . This is not an MMO
@@Nemissis4265the other Borderlands games have decent raid bosses, engaging dlcs such as secret armory and claptastic voyage, and a plethora of great mobbing areas like headstone mine or opportunity.
Just because you personally don't like the Borderlands endgame content does not mean the games aren't replayable, the fact that Borderlands 2 still has more players than wonderlands is evidence enough that it is quite replayable.
The writing in this game was the most sjw shit I have ever seen in a video probably ever. Just look at the head writer lmao she literally hates men
@@breakfaith3031BL2 appeals to people that don't mind doing exactly what you need to do to "win". And for BL2 that is using 2, maybe 3 guns and grinding for optimal gear that compliments those guns. That's lame as hell. Just because autistic people hyper focus on it, doesn't mean it's fun.
I remember my bud enjoying a single playthrough of this and when I saw what it offered, it didn't interest me. I haven't had a Borderlands itch and when I revisit say BL3 or BL2: it just smacks me how much the franchise has missed just by utter competence and feel bad for any dev who works on these due to someone like Randy or higher guys rejecting the most basic ideas.
dude, it's the fuckin hyperion story all over again, but theres no vault hunters willing to go kill jack-ass. too scary to leave your home and fix this shit I guess
or maybe we need another handsome jack working at gearbox to really stir the pot in the right direction, and get real with bl4, ai making a billion guns isn't impressive, it seems like it's a system for a billion guns, soulless, the guns in bl2 had soul, I like em, bl3, I don't like em. it's too complicated and none of it's interesting.
like the gun system feels completely random, which it is, but the point is for like the stars to align, but there's too many stars, and too many things on screen
I haven't had a borderlands itch in years.. Last time i had it i was playing 3 and i didn't like the game that much
So your entire gripe about the game is that it’s exactly what it tells you it is? “We’re NOT VAULT HUNTERS!?” Ok? The entire premise of the game is that you’re playing a fantasy game with Tina. “It’s not repeatable!” Combine classes
“You can’t change classes whenever you want” you’re not meant to, kinda defeats the purpose.
I agree I actually enjoyed the game the melee was my favorite part but the chaos chamber was to hard for me,e I only got to 80
Yeah I'm playing it after getting it on sale and people said it's not worth making a new character. They made it sound like you can switch classes any time, but you can only change the second class? That literally means I have to play as every other class to get the full experience and I'm all for it. So glad I didn't sell the legendary classes I found.
The DLCs are crap and the writing is horrendous.
You can equip two of the 4 abilities from your classes? I just finished my first playthrough, and I was equipping one ability at a time... did I misunderstand what you meant, or did I miss something about the abilities in the game?
@@Silverfirefly1 Nah I hadn’t played in a while and got confused because of Spellshots ability to use Two Spells. I’ll fix it. My bad.
I actually really loved wonderlands at launch. The story was enjoyable, the game play was on par with borderlands 3, and I thought the Dragon Lord was pretty entertaining. That said, the endgame is what lost me entirely. Although I didn’t mind chaos chambers (before they added 100 of them), the game needed more raid bosses and story-driven content, which the dlcs didn’t deliver. I remember thinking that if this game had great dlcs, it could be up there as one of the best in the franchise. Unfortunately, that never came to fruition.
Sameeee, it would’ve stuck to 20 chaos chambers and they had some good DLC’s. This would be a really solid borderlands game
On par with borderlands 3 is not praise, it is an abhorrent insult
Agreed though, I enjoyed it slightly more then 3 (but that’s likely because I already somewhat knew what to expect)
@@marvintehrobot5467 Thissss... idk why ppl act like borderlands 3 was good. In comparison to 1 and 2, and hell, even the per-sequil, it was a MASSIVE downgrade. I don't care about visual fidelity, I don't care about a huge amount of skill variety, I just want a solid looter shooter that takes after borderlands 2's story, boss variety, DLC, and loot system. They had a PERFECT FORMULA and decided to change things nobody asked them to change. Like they made every fetch quest and waypoint 9999 miles away from where you spawn, The map is terrible and has 0 indication of height, the actual waypoint markers dont show up in game, so a lot of the time you're forced to just wander around until you find the right thing to interact with. God i hate that game.
Nah, borderlands is done, at least for me. They killed it with 3.
@@marvintehrobot5467 how is comparing the gameplay to bl3 an insult? I personally think borderlands 3 is the most fun in the entire series. loot system is kinda wonky since its legendries galore but its still a very fun game. Say what you want about Borderlands 3 on literally anything else but its a very fun game. Even the guy above me who hates the game doesn't even complain about the gameplay that much lmaoo he just cries about quests, the map and waypoint markers
I can understand that having a Fatemaker who doesn't "make Fate" is weird, but by the same logic our characters weren't really Vault Hunters in the older games either. We always just followed the ones who got there first. Steele opened the vault in BL1, Jack did in BL2, Zarpedon did in TPS, and Vallory did it in TFTBL, tho this can be debated since the vault needed to be reopened. So the first time we play as a so called Vault Hunter - who both opened a vault and fought the monster inside it - was either Rhys and Fiona, or - ironically - in BL3 with the Promethea vault.
But come on, it's a tabletop game withing a game franchise. Why would their title be Vault Hunter in a fantasy setting of a role playing game ? :D
Also, Tina IS expanded upon, but Wonderlands chronologically takes place either before the Commander Lilith DLC where the B Team is formed, or between that and BL3 where she is grown. This is TINY Tina, with her grief still lingering, trying to cope. I thought this was pretty obvious.
Bro your lack of 👍 on your post is like the lack of understanding in this video. It just makes me wonder why ppl don't take the time to read comments. All in all your spot on.
@@kylekeylon4559 Just the internet being the internet. Don't get me wrong, I don't read much comments either, but you are right, most people don't usually read them if they are longer than two sentences. If any. =)
the overworld being a pokemon knockoff was spot on
See I really don't understand that point. What the hell makes Pokémon related??
@@Thealseie Literally, it was DND inspired. Maybe the gameboy style of pokemon with the top view camera.
@@wearevenom82i think it's the random grass encounters? But those are basically optional. And final fantasy did it first.
I personally love this game because i play this with my older brother and im making good memories and the ocean is CRAZY and some of the side quests are amazing and feel like main story quests the plant one after you blow up the ocean and teh soul system is amazing the spells and skills are cool and the intro animation is amazing with the hate on the newbie and the gun system is kinda cool like having a billion different weapons unique on there on way and the legendary items are actually nice
Ole Tiny Tina giving us the coined term Blunderlands, thank you Tina
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Dam man, you've been going crazy with the vids lately. Good on ya bro
Seriously, they need a Borderlands 4 with Tina as a playable vault hunter. I could imagine some of her skill tree including things like "All Tina's grenades have MIRV (5, 8, 10, 12, 16, depending on how many points are spent) ability. If your Grenade mod already has MIRV ability, each of the child grenades also has the MIRV ability granted by the grenade mod." and "All your grenades have the Homing ability, If your grenade mod also has homing ability, homing speed is doubled" and "Tina can use grenades during Fight for your Life" and "If Tina is out of grenades, using the grenade ability consumes one non-equipped grenade mod to fill her grenade capacity"
The "All your grenades have...(whatever)" skills would be in different trees at tier 3. These kind of skills would give us the Tiny Tina we all want to see.
Forget Tina I'd rather be Markus of Markus Munitions
@@DrakeKnight99Nah, Markus doesn't seem to be the vault hunter type. He seems to prefer to hang around his shop selling guns.
The potential of this game alone got me so excited. Back before it released, my DnD buddies and I talked about this game and what kind of weapons, guns, stories, characters, places, and whatever else they could add from the DnD manuals or other inspiration to Wonderlands. We all played it when it came out, which we all had a good time with it, but once your done with the first playthrough you start to see the actual issue.
For me personally, I am such a Borderlands fan, this was just fun for me to play. Not that it didn't have it's issues(it definitely does), but having that new coat of paint for basically the same game was enough for me to enjoy this on it's own because it's different enough where I can play it when I'm bored of the other games.
i like how butt stalion isn't even in the mainline games canon it's something jack made up to spite you
Butt Stallion was in Tales From The Borderlands too though, and that one is canon tbf - whether or not it was ever alive at any point or just manufactured or something is in the air
Just realized actually.
If jack bought butt stallion in 2 why is butt stallion mentioned in wonderlands at all?
Unless the game takes place between jack buying it and jack killing Roland.
@@Voicegoblin You steal/"Rescue" Butt Stallion from one of Jack's bases in Borderlands 2 DLC as a side mission for Tiny Tina. Saving Butt Stallion is also one of the main mission objectives in the TTADK DLC. Wonderlands then takes place between Borderlands 2 and 3.
I was confused by the appearance of this game because we'd already had it, in Borderlands 2 DLC. Tina has already taken us on a DnD adventure, with actual character development and story. Why would we do it again?
Money 💴
Because of the growing popularity of dnd, especially during covid, they probably thought it would make a good cash grab.
That's a weird question to ask seeing how you can ask that about any game sequel. I mean, why play Borderlands 2 when you already have Borderlands?
Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep is one of the highest rated and best selling DLC in the entire Borderlands history. Along with rising interest in TTRPGs like DnD at the time (as well as Tiny Tina being an absolute fan favorite character), the actual question is why WOULDN'T people do it again?
Like with any sequel, we knew we'd be getting new story, character, and gameplay alongside story, character, and gameplay we're familiar with (alongside probably a few things that we'd have problems with. I mean...that's just how reality works; you take the good with the bad). There was great potential with something that worked really well in the past and the timing of game's release was in the game's favor due to other things happening irl.
I do understand that, AFTER the game was launched, we saw that the shortcomings outweighed the good (honestly, there's a lot of criticism about the game that's valid). Even with that said, we still got some great things from Wonderlands that make the game worth playing at least once (including one of the best villains in the whole Borderlands franchise; one I'd say is a close-second to Handsome Jack himself).
Chaos Chamber "Enjoyers" when they are given something enjoyable to do. It disgusts them greatly.
Gott always lookout for the wonderlands wilsons. They’re crazy 🤣
I love this game more than Borderlands 3 , it give me Heroes might and magic 3 vibe
3 went all woke an gay. Still had fun with it but 2 is my fav for sure
@@RealG.Washingtonthe va for loralei and paladin mike needs to be let go, exactly 3 people like it he her whatever the fuck that fag is.
@@RealG.Washington All but the first one was gay. I don't see the issue.
Imagine if it actually got real post launch support like borderlands 2. Or at least borderlands 1. it would’ve at least been replay-able with some good dlc
Personally I enjoyed Wonderlands
Was the DLC shite ? Yes !
Would I play the main game again? Yes !
Is it worth new players playing? Yes
My only complaint was not having new game plus. Loved the game.
i cant wait to see you, mak and thicc with bl4 being honest and upfront about it. question since gearbox rarely learns from mistakes since mak is forever off the team will they do a battlepass and mtx's like they were planning for 3?
There’s a chance. But hopefully the backlash from bl3’s attempts at this practice will keep any potential battle pass plans locked away in the vault. But hey man, that’s what I’m here for. To give you the up front and honest truth of what’s going on with borderlands and sprinkle in my take on it
@@0fficalHellfireI think there is a high chance. Tbh with you hell I didn’t even know about bl3 battle pass till 2022. lol I’m not kidding my friends and I didn’t even know about it whatsoever I wish I was lying but we barley kept up with bl3 news we found out about in 2022 when mak posted the screenshot and we saw it. Not gonna lie it made us furious furious enough to say screw bl3 we all deleted the game yeah we know it didn’t full happen but the vault cards are clearly the remnant of what it was going to be. Mak wasn’t kidding when he said the shills throwing it under the rug
@@strafer3459 yeah this game was designed to take advantage of your time, and rape your wallet. their trying to screw you over any possible way. they have the wrong business model. they didn't when they made bl2 and our beloved pre sequel and tales
I enjoyed Wonderlands for the short campaign, it had more laughs for me than Borderlands 3. It was way too short though, and its replayability is low. They should have released more content for it, but let it die to work on B4.
So sad :( it could’ve been wayyyy better
The biggest problem with it was just lack of replayability the no new game plus ruined it for me thats always been part of borderlands identity thats sold the series for me its always cool replaying through a story with all the cool gear you found by the end of the game the story was leagues better then bl3 so its actually fun to play through whats the point of having good guns if theres nothing to do cause chaos chamber is boring asfk to me ive never been a fan of the round based missions in borderlands personally.
Or more so i would like to say whats the point of having good guns if there no variety of things to do with them chaos Chambers just basically the same thing over and over
One of the things that the mainline also does for replayability is the different characters all having their own unique builds (and multiple of them at that).
This game tries hard to be creative with you being able to grab any 2 classes but in the end it really doesn't make them feel all that different from each other. The classes are only really good for one thing so it doesn't leave much room for experimentation
Lmfao theres no replayablity in any of the borderlands lmfao you do the EXACT SAME THING EVERH TIME. Lmfao its a story game not an MMO
I genuinely enjoy this game
Also you don't have to play thru the chambers 100 times every time you beat it it goes up by 5 as far as I'm aware. I did just get the game some maybe in the past they had that but now it's by 5s
Personally I think the biggest problem was making it for teens. That and adding modern comments, like vending machine congratulating you for surviving capitalism. It was built up like it was a full game in the style of dragons keep. Then get lectured by a teenage Tina about name calling when as an adult she does it in B3. But demonic possession, that’s fine. I preordered chaotic edition, but after this (and plc bullshine), as well as making tales 2 cannon. B4 though I will give the movie a chance unless it’s rated teen then I’ll pass.
I got it for $5.
Currently, not sure it was worth it.
Base game was fine with those 4 small "side quest" in overworld like small DLC that were 2/3 hours long each. If game had 4 big DLCs like BL3 it would be awesome
what gets me is they could have come up with intresting dlc with the premise but decided on just makeing cash grab raid bosses insted.
I haven't played this game for about 6 month or more and when I decided to replay it, it started to lag spike for some reason. Yee great game which can even work. Playing bl2 and bl3 no problem with fps. Bl3 , wonderlands , new tales and that borderlands movie writing already have me disappointed about bl4. If that game sucks rip this franchise. Also wonderlands scammed fans with dlc season pass.
It wasn’t funny, the classes were uninteresting and the guns were kinda boring. Just didn’t enjoy my time and found the dialogue was so obnoxious I just stopped playing shortly after getting into the city.
My biggest regret is saying this game was gonna be the best in the series during the story... then the damn chaos chambers had to go and slap me in the face with a wet and sharp fish
The chaos chamber was great at launch and everyone liked it when we thought it wasn’t the only end game we were going to get. Then it was rough
I mean did you actually believe that story was it would be the best in the franchise? Or were you saying that because female empowerment or whatever? Because while tiny Tina is a fantastic character she's only good in small doses which is why her DLC in borderlands 2 was so amazing and absolutely beloved by everybody. Saying that this game was going to be the best is a stretch and even you couldn't even convince yourself that it was good lol
@@billdover3165 idk what happened to you, but I'm sorry it happened. I meant gameplay, it had easily the best potential in the series. Keep being an incel tho, it suits you
Chaos chamber is fine but there shouldve been proper endgame and ng plus
New game plus isn’t needed, they should have added some story dlcs and not as many chaos chambers but that’s about it
The wizard class with a one shot pistol and dual casting spells just walks through the game on super easy mode.
I've always hated the overabundance of legendry's in the latest games of the series. They don't feel as powerful, and you mix in the anointed stuff and you're just farming for a roll on a specific gun. I miss when getting a legendary actually meant something, not instant gratification where more then half are useless.
Too much loot is genuinely a problem. Hate sorting through all the junk instead of actually playing.
God I remember when I first picked up Wonderlands on launch lmao. It was fun. Tons of fun. I was enjoying exploring the maps, finding new cool loot and secrets, playing the sub missions, messing around with my class and the multi-class system, there was a lot of good fun to be had here. But that's all it was, strong foundations. Foundations that after end game and some Chaos Chamber playing, after I had beaten all 4 raid bosses, I jjst sat back and waited and wondered, "Well that was fun, I wonder what's next? I can't wait to see what updates and additions they have in store for the game."
Well here we are now and since then I have never picked the game back up. Not even since after they added those Mirror things. I just didn't have any incentive to play anymore. What a load of dung like actually wtf? Gearbox had a very strong foundation for a very special game to stand on, but they kept it barren and naked and empty. It was just sad to see how quickly Gearbox dropped the game's development. It could in a weird way have been like the TPS we never got, an extra BL game for the franchise aside from the main numbered entries that is as big and vast as one of them. Welp that never happened.
I remember coming up with ideas as to possible DLCs with my friends. Ideas of different fantasy like places and settings Tina could think up of. Maybe having some other BL characters like Marcus or Brick or Mordecai make their own smaller-set DLC-sized campaigns where they tell the story and are the Bunker Master lol. Yeah we all ended up forgetting Wonderlands existed after a while 😂. Fkn pathetic honestly.
Idk how they think they could get me to care about a throwaway joke from Handsome Jack's voice actor. How up your own ass as a writer do you have to be where "butt stalion" is "so epic funny XD XD" that it deserved to go this far. It's the epitome of the toxic cringe that Gearbox fosters.
I don’t think you realise that the game talks about tina grave for roland so she expresses it in a board game
Randy pitchford needs to be removed from gearbox.
Kind of shocked you didnt metion the PC gamers bring the modded gear into the game. Someone modded ragnorok (sword) to cast fireballs with nuclear explosions or a Ring to provide +10,000 Luck so every weapon was garenteed Legendary. I had like 500+ Legendaries in my bank all different flavor texts. Thats what hurt Borderlands 3 gameplay to Legendaries didnt feel like Legendaries.
Story: None of the main cast was really there, Tina even explains (I think) that she improves the voices. Heck the two side characters that are suppose to be playing the game with you, are not even in the game with there own characters.
Lorelai transitioning to Lor in this game. Felt off to me and convinced me further that the Change-U stations in B2 and B3 are gonna include character gender swapping in B4.
I personally liked the game but I finished it once, I saw the end game and deleted it and went back to borderlands 2
I think that’s what the majority of people with a brain did 💀
There are 3 chaos chamber bosses that are secret raids, if you do all 3 in one run you face a 4th raid boss and there actually fun imo
It failed because of the structure of the game. The BIG issues for me were
- No NG+, really. So just as you leveled to max so now can't use build
- No story DLC. Perfect setting for big story DLC but no, chaos chambers
- F^&k chaos chambers, they were just boring as F.
I enjoyed my one and only play through the story though :)
I tried playing this with my dad, and it was ok, but it could've been a LOT better, and the splitscreen Co-Op crashing just pissed me off lmao
Valid criticism, but I got into this game only recently and am enjoying messing around with various builds in the chaos chamber. The lack of TVHM is a real problem, though
You seem to be entirely unaware that there are a group of borderlands fans old enough to play games as a single player story and then put the game down. We aren't interested in endlessly playing one game for years on end. For us, wonderlands is a fantastic spin off and the lack of any real end game hasn't tainted our experience.
That's what I'm saying. This game feels like Borderlands 1, no over the top inflation in damage for no reason that makes gear obsolete every 3 levels. Purples are actually usable and can be better than legendaries at times. These speedrunner types that need to optimize the hell out of a game to the point of being unfun are ruining the series.
But the story is awful… so what’s your argument ?
@@kingcurmudgeon8685 Like in all borderlands games? Nothing new.
@@Паехавшийhey hey hey bl2 and the presequel are goated
Get out of my series, old man!
Your opinion isn't what wanted here.
This was the last borderlands I played with my buddy before he passed. I'll never open it again. Too much feels
I’m sorry to hear that ivann :(
Did 1 playthrough in coop n me n my friend cant even do a second playthrough its so boring
Yeah, I don’t blame ya. I’ve yet to get through a second play through either
The chaotic great edition on sale for 18.00$ for me cause I bought Pandora's box so im thinking might as well since original price is 89.99$
I bought this game for $8 and still feel ripped off.
Yelp it is suppose to be the Gotham Knights game for Batman or Marvel's Avengers, they tried to sell Avengers the game for 2$ and all the skins free and people still refused
That's crazy. I spent 12 and I'm having a blast lol
I had a fun time playing this game. It was pretty damn fun IMO
Never even played it but it seems like the only thing marking it a spin-off is The buttpony.
gearbox: BL needs more butts and twerking. and iphones. call apple see if we can make a deal with that shit ass company whom I kinda like the products of. better than windows for sure unless your trying to game on a pc, but I like consoles so get fucked, my life is easier. xbox on your tv plus macOS on your desk, life hack for productivity and ability to get up and completely crush the day
What makes it the weakest of all is, we've already played Bunkers and Badasses. We know the jokes where a place starts out all nice, then Tina remembers everything is supposed to be bad so it suddenly shifts. We all know the uber sad feels with Roland and her missing palying with him. It's the same with the skill trees, just a bunch of re-hash.
....your argument is literally "it wasn't for me so it was bad >:("
I like this game because my brother and I can play co-op, it lets him get taste of the wackiness of the Borderlands universe while he's not quite mature enough for the mainline games.
Wonderlands shouldn’t have even came out
Fun for a playthrough but then there's literally nothing left to do other than the boring same old chaos chambers and dlcs that have a half hour of playtime at the most (btw I never even bought the dlcs just like you)
Yepppp, literally not worth the money at all. I agree
After Borderlands 3 left me feeling so disappointed I had no care in the world to play another Borderlands game or even a Gearbox game especially since I preordered it back when I was streamlining preorders like a junky my last being Cyberpunk. Until I was so excited to see the anti woke Stellar Blade that I put my money up because I wanted to get more games like it and less games that are touched by Sweet Baby Inc
Respect, borderlands 3 sucks
It just didn't feel like borderlands to me, I got one legendary my whole playtrough, did all side quests, and got most lucky dice.
I'd rather have that problem instead of drowning in useless duplicates
I never planned to play this game
You’re wiser then a lot of us
I loved Wonderlands but after launch Gearbox was like "Whats Wonderlands?"
Borderlands 2 was really a special game, and Tiny Tina was definitely a big part of it. She was very well writen, as every other character. Her quirks have a meaning and the more you get to know her the more you care. Even the RPG session on the DLC adds a lot of meaning to her behavior. It's the reason I came to hate her on every other game. She never matured, she never grew up, they kept her as this caricature of herself, deprived of any depth, meaning or development. Quirks alone can't sustain a character, and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands was yet another game that tried to capitilize on her quirks. That just doesn't work, that doesn't resonate with the audience, specially those who played the Godtier game Borderlands 2. Unless they understand why that game was succesful, every new release will be met with indiference.
Agree. Borderlands peaked with 2. It's been down hill ever since. Makes me thing the original devs must have aged out or been fired.
As a borderlands fan I have never played this game, I was extremely busy when it released so I didn’t even bother with it, then hearing all the backlash I just skipped it. I do want to visit it one day. I did buy it with all the DLC for about £15 so that’s not too bad.
I would say wait to get the main game on sale as the first run is pretty fun but skip the dlc.
@@Aphroditus_Areiaexcept blightcaller is fun
You know it's a crap game if Borderlands' biggest fan Joltzdude doesn't even post a single playthrough ever
Outside the things you pointed out, my biggest gripe was how the game still focused on guns. We had a character a decade ago that should have been focused on melee, and the loot lists should have included them as options to equip instead of a gun, so the attack button would activate melee attacks. This would have led into BL3 and Amara with her focus on melee. Instead, Amara works best when equipped with a specific GUN that fires punches. Then, TTW would have had it built in that fantasy RPG characters could choose to use melee weapons instead of ranged weapons (go figure, right?). Instead, they kept to the 'everyone loves guns!! Why would they ever want to use melee instead??' crap... despite having characters that would definitely choose melee since the second frikkin game.
Game is too ghey.
The chaos chamber ruined this game for me. Worst ending game in the game industry ever.
Fr, it’s awful end game content. So lazy and boring
Only problem I had was the same problem I had with Presequel: lackluster endgame that equates to little more than hours of grinding. 2 and 3 had enough space and dedicated drops to justify sticking around after the credits. This one really didn't have that much and the DLC was just more grinding.
Im just glad the story was at least better than 3 and was decently compelling (until but stalian got revived) i also enjoyed the game play on my first run
As a genuinely enthusiastic Borderlands player I can honestly state the majority of us disliked the utter failure of B3. TTW is nothing more than suitable spinoff of B3. I haven't played it, and have ZERO interest in doing so. Thanks for your informative video, hellfire.
No problem at all, borderlands 3 was like gearbox taking a crap on our face and this game was them rubbing it in 💀
I want a BL2 Remake followed up by an alternate universe sequel in which Jack survives
You don't do CC 99 times, you can skip 5 levels at a time until level 50, then you have to do the rest one by one for some reason.
when the chaotic great edition was on sale for like 80% on christmass i bought it.
i mean, if you got it just because you want to play more of what you already like then it's good
it pained me to realise however that the only bit of extra content are 4 takedowns, and not only that, the next level edition doesnt even include them, as it came for free on PSplus and couldnt play them with a friend that was on ps4 because he needed to buy them
I've played every single one of them, My personal favorite is the very first one, because it carried me through hard times, my second one is Borderlands 2 (obviously fan favorite) but gotta say, I am really having a blast with Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, the game mechanics are cool and having melee weapons and all feels fresh.
Honestly the biggest issues with this game was the lack of endgame content and lack of additional story from DLCs. I think other than those two things, the game overall is very enjoyable.
Wonderlands is BY FAR my favorite borderlands game. The enemies are way better then in borderlands.
That’s a hot take for sure, game felt so ass to me
Wonderlands would be praised, instead of hated, if it were released as an expansion for BL3 rather than a stand-alone game; and if the price reflected this also. The game is actually a really fun concept just like the BL2 dlc assault on Dragon Keep was, but ultimately it was too lazily done to be on its own.
One big complaint from my end was the lack of music. The Borderlands franchise is known for killer soundtrack. This game was just silent with some procedural music strewn about.
I enjoyed my first playthrough, but there was no replayability and no real support from gearbox
I cant belive i really baught a borderlands game with no new game plus, i didnt even know about the chaos chambers since i dropped the game as soon as i was lvl 5 but knowing what i know now i will never touch this game again. Thank you Hellfire.
The failure to add any sort of new game plus killed it for me even just a campaign reset button would of been fine, I know its not for everyone but I enjoy replaying at max and farming as I go thats how I have always enjoyed these games
Chaos chamber was a nightmare. I think the overworld was to be reminiscent of dnd. Where combat is different from exploration and social interactions
The gameplay itself was fine, its a dnd spoof (which i love) so the name change to fatemaker didn't bother me at all... what pissed me off the most about it was the lack of TRUE expansions... what they pawned off as expansions should have been free updates not paid content... and after the backlash after the 1st "nothing expansion" what did they do? The exact same thing over and over, way to listen to the fanbase gearbox....
Regressing to BL1's lack of a playthrough reset option because you falsely assume the problem is multiple playthroughs rather than the painful story pacing of BL3 and the complete lack of a reason to play tvhm in it. :(
It still upsets me that I pre-ordered this game and got the special edition that included all the "DLCs" or what I thought was promised as DLCs at the time due to my faithfulness to the franchise of the Borderlands games, also bc doing that was usually $10-15 dollars cheaper than buying them individually. Because of this I will never do it again especially not for Gearbox
Same brother same I did the same thing and regretted
I usually like the series and gunplay enough to farm mostly everything in the first 4 games
But his It really is just play it once and your done
I just got to max level and when the first dlc drop I just skip it hoping the next one would be better but chaos level 100 and all the dlc will be like the first one crush my dreams and expectations
For bl4 I'm gonna wait and see before committing to dlc packs
Speak for yourself. This game was so much better then Borderlands 3. Like what even was that?
I agree that it’s better than bl3….bit that doesn’t say a whole lot if we’re honest here
It's fun. However, full of bugs and that's crazy knowing it came out a few years ago. I get crashes after crashes.
I like TTW. Even after all the negative feedback from the community. I enjoyed it and that’s all that matters to me. Could they improve the game more and make better DLC? Yes.
This game had so much potential! Unfortunately, they ruined that opportunity. Sad really….
It is what it is, still. I enjoyed playing it with my gf. Hopefully, BL4 they make it way better! If not, I’ll no longer purchase any more games from gearbox, until they change.
One of the problems I had with this game was the melee weapons. I was excited to do a melee build and run around the world slashing at people with the weapon IN MY HAND. Not every time I press the melee button…
The game felt more like a full priced borderlands 3 dlc. The game play was boring cause I already played through borderlands 3. One of the other issues I had is the fucking skill points… like what in the fuck? 1 skill tree per build? Shit was lousy as hell
Borderlands 2 dlc was better
if TT Wonderlands 2 come out out I would like for them to fix their mistakes but also allowing me to use melee weapons again the dopamine I get when I run up and smack the shit out of an enemy with a slow but powerful melee attack and watching them fly hits different