1913? Black Hawk Cocktail - Cocktails After Dark
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- 1913? Black Hawk Cocktail - Glen And Friends Cocktails After Dark
Today the theme is cocktails using ingredients I don't usually grab for the show, so today we look at Sloe Gin Cocktails.
Details about this Whisky and Sloe gin cocktail (or Rye and Sloe Gin, or Bourbon and Sloe Gin) are pretty sketchy. The earliest I can trace it back to is a book written in 1913 by Jacques Straub - if you know of an earlier version, please let me know. The Rye and Sloe Gin cocktail recipe then appears in a few cocktail books afterwards into the late 1940s and then starts to peter out. It could be that smaller cocktails that consist of just alcohol lost favour to cocktails with juices, sugar, and bitters.
Really was serious when I said that I'd like to collab with these channels:
@Whiskey Vault @Whiskey Tribe @It's Bourbon Night
Black Hawk Cocktail as it appears in the 1913 Straub's Manual:
½ Jigger Rye Whiskey
½ Jigger Sloe Gin
Stir
1 Cherry
We also try this cocktail with a couple of homegrown independent spirits from @Distillerie du St.Laurent and @Dillon's Small Batch Distillers
Here is the 2011 Robert Hess video I reference: • Black Hawk Cocktail - ... You'll notice his later 1970s recipe uses lemon juice, and he comments that it's a little too tart.
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Thanks for watching everyone! Some of the later versions of this cocktail add a little bit of lemon juice... Have you ever had a Black Hawk Cocktail? Would you give this one a shot, and do you know anymore about the history?
I've actually made this before, and rather liked it. That said, your earlier commentary about it being a little imperfect or simple, and strong depending on your choice of drink, is pretty well spot on.
Which is why what I usually do when making this, I use it as the base for an Old Fashioned and it comes out wonderfully that way. You get all the notes you're expecting and were enjoying in your drinks with the Basil Hayden and Dillons, while adding just a slight bit more sweetness and a touch more complexity depending on your choice of bitters.
I've also made this drink with both rye and bourbon (mostly because once or twice I didn't have the rye), and I've found that rye does work better on a personal note. I find that depending on your choice of bourbon, it can be a little too smokey and kind of overpower the sloe's fruitiness, making it even more whisky-forward than the 1792 that you were using and didn't care much for.
I enjoy drinking Manhattan and Old Fashions. I'm not a big fan of Gin, but I'm going to give this a try.
Cherries? That caught my attention. Glen I would LOVE to see you make those fancy cherries for cocktails that I'm also trying to get the bartender to give me more of. You could try different recipes!
I could see adding a shot of lemon juice. For my taste, with cheap sloe gin (not gonna pay over $30 for Hayman's sloe gin, and up, for the 3 other sloe gins at a local liquor store), and a decent bourbon: this tastes like a sweet Manhattan. I only made a 3/4 Oz recipe of the 2 ingredients, so it's possible drinking a larger drink might make been too sweet, but it isn't bad and next time I splurge, I'll pick up a decent rye and try that, I think it will be worth trying that variation. I think, too, trying it with club soda and lemon, turning it into a fizz might turn out to be a refreshing summer taste.🤷♂️
@@travisadams4470 , if you like those flavors, this will be enjoyable, there won't be any gin notes you'll find. It really comes across as a sweet Manhattan, I think. I haven't tried it on the rocks, so that might be too sweet, based on the strained, neat cocktail of this. imo
The older the cocktail the stronger it is can easily be explained, horses knew the way home, cars don't.
You kept me from throwing out the bottle of sloe gin I've had for years. I tried this and to my surprise I really enjoyed it. Didn't think I would. The wife and I always look to Julie's reaction to the tastings. She liked the one with bourbon most; so bourbon it was. Thanks Glen.
I would love to see Whiskey Tribe review those small-batch Québec whiskys.
Haha I think this has to be one of my favourite "after dark" episodes. You two are just awesome. "No more driving today" 😄And I immediately understood why Julie went to get a spoon! I never had Sloe Gin, but this got me exited to try it!
This channel makes me happy. Thanks Glen and Julie for all the effort and time.
It has the most beautiful colour for a cocktail, almost like a liquid gemstone
it is really beautiful. i was thinking the same thing.
I don’t even drink alcohol, but I still love watching these videos!🤷♀️
Me too!
me too. it's fascinating how these drinks change through the decades
same!
Back when I was in uni, sloe gin fizz was the drink of choice in our group. I haven't thought about that in years. Thanks for the memories!
I went through that time in the '80s as well 😂
Great video Glen. Quick question for you. With all of the Cocktails you’ve posted, do you have one that you not only remember fondly, but continue to make off camera, and is there one you’ll never forget for the worst you have ever had? Keep up the great work. All my best from Mexico City.
I think the Westchester Special Cocktail is the worst that he made yet
Sloe gin was the starter non-beer alcohol for under age drinkers when I was in high school and college in the 1970s. I can’t say that I’ve known anyone of legal age to drink it.
I think the half pint bottle my first husband left with me when we divorced was his 1970s under age bottle. I would have a very occasional half shot, neat, until the bottle was gone in the early 2000s. As I remember, it tasted just like cough syrup.
Now I wish I had that bottle still ... I love simple rye-based cocktails. One of my favorites? "Rye Manhattan, served on a big rock". I bet I'd enjoy this a lot.
This was an exceptional cocktail video. Loved the more in-depth conversation and discussion.
Would love to see a crossover with Whiskey Tribe!
Try a sloe royale - a glass of champagne or other sparkling white wine with a slug of sloe gin. Delicious. Sloe gin, damson gin and other berry gins (e.g. blackberry, raspberry) are quite common and traditional in Yorkshire where I live. In particular people forage for sloes or blackberries in hedgerows and then make a flavoured gin. I'm currently making a batch of damson gin, should be ready for Christmas. Avoid the big brands, seek out the small local specialist producers if you want to buy. I named one in a comment, and I think my comment was deleted as advertising (fair enough, but I'm only an enthusiastic drinker of that particular brand). A very delicious drink on its own or mixed. Enjoy!
I’m told that sloes are relatively common in Britain and presumably one could just add fresh ones to gin and let them soak a bit. I gather they’re like small plums. I’ve also heard of bartenders adding blackcurrant syrup to gin as a sloe gin substitute if someone wants a straight drink of sloe gin but they haven’t any.
To make sloe gin you prick the sloes all over and then add them to a jar of gin with some sugar. You store the jar in a dark, cool place for two to three months, turning the jar every couple of days. I'm currently making damson gin by the same method. I live in Yorkshire, where sloe and damson gin (homemade) are quite common.
@@helenpetrie892 Snap! As a child in the Midlands in the late 70s and early 80s, my brother and I were dragged out to local hedgerows on Saturdays and Sundays by our parents and "encouraged" to help fill plastic carrier bags with sloes, which they then washed, pricked with a "prongy" fork, dumped into empty gin bottles with some sugar, and topped up with some of the gin that had just vacated the bottles. I don't know why they were briefly obsessed with sloe gin: there seems to be no family history of it, and they've never explained it. (I've just realised I've never asked them why we were put through this, and that is now on my to-do list.) It's a different (interesting) taste, for sure, but the added sugar makes it more of a liqueur, which doesn't really agree with my palate, and it's a lot of effort to go to to make a syrup that doesn't get you any more drunk than neat gin, but with added calories. Maybe it featured in an episode of The Good Life.
A Glen and Friends X Whiskey Tribe set of episodes would be awesome.
This cocktail is in my Trader Vic Bartender's Guide, exactly as you made it. Trader Vic says "Whiskey " can be bourbon, blended, rye or Canadian. Interesting.
Also an Irish whiskey.
Omg the end was hilarious!!! 🤣 I didn't know the cocktail, don't know Jaques, maybe his reason just was *because* he was pouring bourbon all day he wanted to make something else. After I saw you two taste it I just wanna try it!
Perfect timing. Just got back from a road trip through some towns/cities in Canada & upstate NY and stopped off at Dillon's on my way back into the US. They were very nice and accommodating. Picked up the Rye whiskey and thier No. 7 Gin. I have some Sloe gin (Plymouth) and will try this ASAP. Thanks again for another wonderful video.
i've never heard of this, but now i'm curious about how it would taste with a bit more of the cherry syrup in it. love the bit at the very end. 😂
My experience with Slow Gin was either Slow Gin fizzes or some Amaretto Slow Gin concoction. Either one was (to me) way too sweet and generally vile.
Now you have me intrigued, and I would like to try it.
Also, the term "Black Hawk" is an important part of Illinois history ( besides the hockey team) and that makes me even more interested.
My maternal uncle owned a bar in Iowa from about 1950 to his death in 1985. He had a drink called the Hawkeye (for University of Iowa Hawkeyes) that was made from Plum Gin and Old Overholt Rye Whiskey. He used Old Overholt because that was where he was born (West Overton, PA) and the Plum Gin was probably Seagrams since it would have been easily available in which he steeped Prunes he got from my mother, as my parents had a plum orchard and she dried literally hundreds of pounds of the things every year. I never understood why it was called a Hawkeye, but seeing this Blackhawk it now sort of makes sense.
Love the shoutouts to Whisk(e)y Tribe and It’s Bourbon Night. Glen and Jules are the best!!
Julie's laugh at the cherry joke
Sloe gin and anything cherry go really really well together
My Grandfather made a version of this.
Sole Gin and Canadian Whiskey. Used a mixer. Like 7up, Ginger Ale, or a Grapefruit soda.
Back in the 80s, in my bar tending days, the only cocktail that used Sloe gin was an Alabama Slammer (passé by 1990.) And given that Jules seemed to favor the sweeter mix, Southern Comfort and amaretto might be something enjoyable. Plus, it is not straight alcohol.
I just love these cocktail videos… ya’ll just crack me up! “Well, I’ll be sitting down for the rest of the day. No more driving today”….(!!!!🤣)😆😆😆😆
That was really Interesting watching you taste and try to explain what you taste. Never heard of this drink, that's why I find this so interesting, along with your research.
Intriguing I haven't thought of Sloe Gin since Early 1970 when it was the liquor of choice in the college dormitories. By about mid 1975 the dormitory drinkers went back to vodka and beer.
I love the casual chats after the meat of things.
I love the Nick and Nora glass, you’ve given me something new to keep an eye out for when I go antiquing…. I think the whiskey guys could do justice to tasting your Canadian whiskeys.
Brilliant episode Glen and Julie! I never heard about this cocktail but I'm certainly going to try it out - greetings from Czechia!
Glen, you should put out the recipe (formula) the day before so we can make it and taste with the video.
Great video Glen and Julie. You two are so fun on "Cocktails after Dark".
I made this! I could not find the same brand of sloe gin. I used Hofland Sloe Gin and Jim Beam Rye. The Hofland has plum, cherries and almond flavors. This is a great beverage. 👍
update. I added a dash of orange bitters. 🍊 Very tasty
The St. Laurent Old Gin (“Vieux”) is simply amazing, their citrus, too. Great brand.
Surprisingly, I'm really enjoying this "Cocktails after Dark" stuff. I'm not even into cocktails! Doesn't matter. Keep it coming!
If you're looking to make your own sloe gin but live in a locale bereft of sloes (the USA), try following a traditional recipe but using Aronia berries instead. That's a special liqueur, to be sure.
Excellent episode guys, I kinda feel there might have been a recording of another Cocktails after Dark prior to this and the two of you might be a bit pre-lubricated because of this. Very funny.
That little end segment was hilarious. It reminds me of so many drunken conversations 🤣
Whisky Tribe x Glen and Friends collab = fire!
Great video!
This was a fun one, thanks!
LOL! The end credits stinger with you both tipsy is pretty great.
I would love some crossovers. Those are two of my favorite whiskey channels.
Ha, I'm gonna expect a dissertation on alembic stills in the next cocktails after dark episode. 😁 I bought a bottle of Basil Hayden and after getting it and reading the label and seeing it was really just fancy Jim Beam in a cool bottle I was expecting to not love it. But actually I like it quite a bit!
Just do a sloe G&T with a bitter lemon tonic. Perfect summer drink.
I reached adulthood in the mid 70's, and one of the popular cocktails at the time was the Sloe Gin Fizz. I don't even remember how we made it, but I do remember it was yummy, and very easy to have 'one too many'.
I can just see both of you spending the rest of the afternoon post cocktail giggling
Really good episode!
I love that Whiskey Tribe. They are a hoot.
I too was thinking that you need to go to see those MB's at The Whiskey Tribe.
EDIT: FYI, The Whiskey Vault reviews Basil Hayden on episode 28.
Basil Hayden's is my favorite whiskey! I honestly have never tried mixing it.
I am gonna make this one. My buddy is a Blackhawk (Chicago) hockey fan. I think it would be fun, y'all had a good time with this one.
Thanks
If you ever come to Austin to visit Daniel, Rex, and the rest of the gang at the Whiskey Tribe, I’d be happy to take you up for a flight in our planes around the area!
Oooh looks like I might like this one. Going to try it.
That collaboration with the Whiskey Tribe really needs to happen!!
Fun show 💚🌞
Great video, going to try this tonight! I think the reason the original formula (recipe) used rye is because of the spicy quality of that whiskey to balance out the sweetness of the Sloe Gin. Bourbon can be very sweet and maybe it was just too much with the sloe gin. There is no bitter profile in this at all so that might be a nice way to balance out the bourbon version and make more complex variation. A hit of ango, orange bitters, or maybe even peychaud bitters (anise forward) might be interesting to change it up and see where it goes.
I am in Manitoba and Hayman’s is the only Sloe Gin we have too and it’s not bad. I do a variation on a Gimlet where I do 1oz gin, 1oz sloe gin, 1oz of lime cordial (home made) and top with club soda. Very refreshing tall drink.
Grogusko, J.A. - Jack’s Manual: Recipes for Fancy Mixed Drinks (1908), p. 18
BLACK HAWK COCKTAIL
50% Rye whiskey
50% Gordon's sloe gin
Fill glass with ice. Stir, strain and serve in cocktail glass.
Julie, the blouse you're wearing is beautiful!! Tell me more about it please! Love the cuff links too!
Glen has such an amazing collection of old cocktail/cook books
I have never used slow gin for a cocktail but it is on my list. I worked in a bar where they had all the old liquors and that one was there. But I don’t really see it so often in newer bars.
Thanks for the heads-up about the Hayman's available in Quebec. Last time I went looking for sloe gin, there was only a local plum one (Dandy).
I love this channel, I haven't hung out with tipsy Canadians since Grad school. Feels.
Fascinating video. Great analysis. In the States, at least 40 years ago, a Sloe Gin Fizz was the go-to cocktail for those of us who wanted a cocktail because our barely legal selves thought it was something "grown ups with panache" drank and our palettes thought a Manhattan tasted like gasoline. I just remember it being so sweet it would curl your toes. Hadn't thought of sloe gin since. Basil Hayden (FYI BAY-sul) is a fine Kentucky straight bourbon with some ever so slightly lighter notes that may pair in a different manner than a rye, which I also like in a mixed drink. I am now intrigued enough by this cocktail that I may have to investigate sloe gin again. Blackthorn berries (sloes) are another fascinating story... but not for today! Great show, as always.
For arguments sake: BAY-sil’s an herb; BAA-sil’s a name, eg St. Basil the Great employs the latter.
Sounds like Glen and Friends are up for some shenanigans! As an MB…I hope the collab happens.
I was Just thinking Of @Whiskey Tribe when you mentioned them LOL
This tasting really reminded me of the scene in Schitt’s Creek when David and Moira were tasting wine! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love sloe gin. I'll be playing around with this one.
I will definitely be trying this one. I only have one Sloe Gin, Plymouth, but several bottles of Rye and Bourbon.
Love Sloe Gin!!
Would you say you guys found yourselves unable to put the…Black Hawk down? 😎 YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
I'm not a drinker, but this was fascinating.
Im thinking this was not their first cocktail tasting of the day. Haha!
My mom made a milkshake from sloe gin, gave my non-drinking grandmother one and never saw grandma happier!
A Whiskey Tribe collaboration would be awesome!! That would be a very unexpected cross over
I want to try this but not a gin fan...but boy oh boy do I love Rye.Id omit the cherry but add lemon because that’s my fave drink....anything rye/whiskey with citrus (Love Whiskey Sours)
My only experience with Sloe Gin is as a 20-something drinking a sloe gin fizz because my date ordered one and I had no idea what to order. Looks like its time to revisit the spirit!
I'd be interested to know when the Alabama Slammer was created. Sloe Gin is a big component of it too. Thanks for all you do!
Great video - but Julie you look so beautiful liquored up in that bohemian white blouse - lol - have another Glen cocktail
please collab with the whisky tribe folks! that would be fantastic to see!
One of the very first cocktails I had was a sloe gin fizz
Would absolutely love to see you do a tasting with Daniel from the Whiskey Tribe!
Hi Glen!
If you have a chance to get your hand on local Quebec gins, especially Menaud or Radoune, you will be in for a treat. Cheers!
I never knew where the Nick & Nora glasses originated from. Just cloudy sometimes. Thin Man series
Julie... sometimes I am concerned when there are two alcohols together and I just go "yee".
Got one for ya. The Mexican chicken. That would be tequila and Wild Turkey
Then there is the Fried Mexican Chicken which is basically a Mexican Chicken with a layer of 151 Rum on top that is the lit.
Yup... these are as bad as they sound 😀.
I also am very skeptical that there would even be a recipe for them in any of these recipe books 😉
Never heard of it but I am a big fan of Basil Hayden so I’d like to try it
Late 60's, early 70's in Maryland, Sloe Gin Fizz was a popular girly drink. That means sweet, I guess. I never tasted it.
Bob's your uncle? Lucky you!
At the very end I thought it was a still shot, then I heard you questioning the definition of the still. So it was a still still shot.
I never occurred to me that you could buy commercially produced Sloe Gin. It's always been a homemade drink to me. My mum, my grandmother, cousins made Sloe Gin. You could buy it from the WI market but that was home made too, just someone else mum.
From being roped in to pick the sloe's, to helping bottle it up as a child it's always been there. Heck, I got a small bottle of Sloe Gin last Christmas from my mum, she's in her mid-eighties and still makes Sloe Gin.
(Damson Gin is also very nice)
Here's a question, do you get sloe's in the hedgerows in Canada?
Hmmm...
I'm sort of scared of gin because of a very bad experience with it in my younger days. But I might try this if I can get sloe gin.
Both my cocktail books include this, pretty much exactly as you made it. Old Mr. Boston, originally from 1935, and my copy is a 1966 printing; and a third edition of The Bartender's Black Book, 1994 & 2012.
Great video about a liqueur that plagued my childhood weekends because I was required to help my parents pick the sloes to make it at the weekend, but didn't get to taste the end-product, being a minor. What inspired Jules's wardrobe choice today?
This was so great! A scene from Absolutely Fabulous popped into my head while watching this.. if you search 'Absolutely Fabulous France' the scene I remember might come up. Hilarious. Nobody falls down as well as Eddie and Patsy!!!
I thought one of the reasons sloe gin sort of disappeared was a lack of sloe berries. I read that a lot of the sloe gins in the US aren’t actually made with the correct berries.
Something they might serve at the Overlook Hotel?
I always referred to it as the mixture of ingredients.
You can buy Sloe Gin ready made in the UK, I know Gordons sell their own version. A lot of people who like it make their own (Sloes dont appear in large quantities every year) I think it disappeared out of Cocktail use as it went out of fashion.
only thing i can say for sure was Juile was a bit buzzed at the end 😆