Carl - you should rebrand your channel as compulsory viewing for anyone who either owns a GS/GSA, or is looking to buy one. I have literally watched hundreds of hours of videos and yours are, without any shadow of doubt, the most informative and helpful I have come across. Good stuff, looking forward to more of your fascinating insights!
Hi Ross, thank you for your positive feedback, please see my reply above to you, at the top of the comments section, and to the many others that have said something similar. best wishes Carl
Hello Alain and welcome to the channel. Most BMW dealerships will install these lights for you. In the USA there are lots dealerships that do this, but in Europe the Weiser-Tech lights have only recently been released so not many dealerships know about them. You can install them yourself it’s fairly easy to do and I have a several videos showing you how to do it. You could ring Mark at Weiser-Tech and speak with him and ask about dealerships in France 🇫🇷 Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, I have just watched your video about your new indicator setup,I have also been on the Weiser how to page, sorry but I’m still not sure if I need extra wiring and the relay under the seat. I have a2021 r1250gs,pretty sure it’s the same as yours. Please advise. Paul
Hi Paul, you haven't said where you are located, as this also makes a difference. The best thing is to call the Weiser Team on the UK or USA helpline, they are extremely helpful and will direct you to Exactly the kit you need. If you're in the UK or EU and your bike is year model 21 or onwards, then I think you will need the same as me. BUT do ring the helpline number as the instruction for installation are also different. Mark is the CEO and i think he is taking the UK calls this week.... nice chap. Best Regards Carl
Hello Carl. I’ve now fitted the new indicators and I can’t believe how impressive they are. Any queries I had during the installation were quickly resolved with a personal call from their Co Founder Mark Atkins but to be honest, the installation guide they provided with the kits should have been more than sufficient, I just happened to be the weakest link here but Mark was very patient and went out of his way to ensure that everything worked as it should. I can’t recommend them enough & I’m grateful to you for introducing the company & their products to me! 👌👏👍
Hi Tony, thank you for sharing your experiences with installing the kit and with the team at Weiser Technik, I know other owners are keen to find out how easy and straightforward these kits are to install, so a big thank you for sharing your own experiences. Yes Mark and his team do a great job supporting their customers. Best wishes Carl. 👍
Alright. On my 2022 GSA I added an Admore light bar and a Denali Brake Light. The Denali light is hooked into a Cansmart and the Admore light is in the factory harness. Very bright. About $400.00 total.
Thank you, fab and informative video. Brilliant products, will be applying for the discount code. Does changing these lights have any detriment to the BMW warranty? Regards. Paul.
Hi Paul, these lights are installed by bmw dealership in the UK and North American so the dealers do not seem to have any issues, but perhaps ask your local dealership. Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl thanks for all the good info. I have a 2022 GSA 40th addition. I'm not happy with standard back indicators and the break light my other problem is I live in the south of Ireland in county Waterford I was wondering do Wiser Technik have any stockists over here . Again thanks for the great detailed info . 👍 Jim Kirwan .
Hello Jim, and welcome. Weiser ship from the UK so the lights can be with you in couple of days. The installation guide WILL go up this week... I've just about finished it... took ages. If you have any questions just ring and speak with Mark at Weiser he is very helpful. We have been working together to improve the schematics and instructions and new ones are now available. Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, once again many thanks for your videos, super informative. Just to check, the central BMW light at the rear does not illuminate with the Weiser lights installed except when braking?
Hi Cornamuck yes that is correct for the 2021 onwards European bikes. The North American bikes still have both side and brake function in the tail light. For everyone else BMW decided too remove it (side light) and move it into the indicators. Hope that helps Best wishes Carl
Hello Carl... terrific video. I very much light the auxiliary lights you have mounted and their location; can you tell me the make and model and the mounting solution you have? In addition, the new turn signals actually appear brighter than those auxiliary lights... possible? Many thanks.
Hello Shawn, the aux lights are oem bmw, the standard ones in their catalogue. If you buy from BMW they are expensive but on online they are cheaper. Yes the Weiser Technik indicator kit is much brighter than BMW (front and rear) see separate video and installation guide, and as you have noticed super bright while running as DLR'S. As far as being seen they are much better than the bmw Aux lights. But the aux lights work well at night ( see separate video) Hope that helps... Best wishes Carl
Fantastic video! I think I’ll treat myself soon as I’ve been worried about my Denalis overpowering my front light and also the same issue as you have on the rear. I can’t see installing being a issue but did you ever get around to making a install video ? Thanks!
Hello Carl I ordered a front set of these after watching your video. Unfortunately you have to be an electrical engineer to fit them, I thought it would be a simple plug and play install. I’m frightened to be chopping into the wiring on brand new bike and the video on the website is from an old GS with different indicators. Very disappointed
Hello John and welcome to the channel. If you follow my guide they are very easy to install at home, alternatively just ask your local BMW dealer to install them for you. If your in the Uk or USA just send Weiser-Tech a message or better… just call them and ask if they can give you a name of a local dealer. Best wishes Carl
What length stalks did you choose for the rear of your bike? For the fronts, did you not choose the short for fear of the lights being to close together and not being distinuishable from distance or being "washed out" by the headlight?
Hi, I used short stalks on the rear so that I can still mount and use the OEM rear panniers. On the front I used medium stalks as this was my preferred option, in North American you need to use long stalks due to some states that require a minimum distance between the headlight and indicator. If your in the UK you are free to use all 3 lengths on the front. Hope that helps 👍 Carl
Just purchased the front and rear set. Opened the box and it looks mind blowing to a non electrical person. How long before you do an installation video 🤔
Do you think it would be a good idea to add a small length of wicking material into the indicator drain holes... to allow drainage via the wick but prevent water and dust ingress?
Hi Simon, good morning, that’s an interesting thought and one I haven’t tried. The Weiser indicators have been on my GS for over a year now with lots of wet weather touring, so after reading your message yesterday I decided to take one of the covers off and check inside. Everything still looks new and no signs of corrosion are present. You could try your idea and check inside in 6 months to make sure the cavity is breathing. Regards Carl
Thanks for your amazing videos Carl, been very useful to me. I am definitively considering the upgrade to a Weiser kit (an installation video would be awesome) Thanks again for your work.
Recently had a few sets of Denali lights (D7s and D2s up front and two B2s rear) installed on my '22 1250 GSA. That install also included a CanSmart controller. I believe I may have one open circuit left on the CanSmart (alternatively I could alway daisy-chain another CanSmart for more circuits), so my question is: is there a way to integrate the Technik signals into the CanSmart system, or is there any need to or possible advantage in doing so? I realize I may be making an otherwise easy installation more complicated than necessary, but that's "Just the way I am"!
Hi Ray, good morning, I don’t have or use a can smart system so I think redirect your questions to Mark at the Weiser helpline email address, they are normally very quick to reply. Carl
Hi Shar, good morning. Yes exactly that. The kit for your GS is a different part number to mine, but yes it will give you those super bright white DRL' on the front of your 2019 Rallye. Just go to the website get your code and then put your bike year and model into the Light Finder...that will give you the kit number you need. You can add this feature on many many of the older BMW bikes to. I'm about to add them to a 2013 R1200C for a friend that also want white DRL's on the front. Carl
Hi Mya, and welcome to the channel. Yes, it's not a cheap option but it is a quality product with a four-year warranty and great customer support from the company (see comments from other subscribers below) but i do understand your comment. I think a choosing to upgrade front and then later in a few months the rear might spread the cost a little. Best Wishes Carl
HI, Carl (@Just The Way It Is) Your channel is a very good one and I'm subscribed to it. Thanks a lot. When I saw these multi-function indication lights (specially the rear lights; simple indicator for the front and triple indicator for the rear), I thought they could be good for my R1200GS Adv 2018 lighting system. Five days ago, I sent a contact request to the company's website (Weiser Technik - WL), as you explained in your video, for the discount code and also for some simple questions regarding the light's homologation for Continental Europe motorcycle driving and the installation in my specific bike. These were the questions: - I would like to know if, when buying the triple function rear lights, the rear indicator lights would still work if plug only to the OEM indicator wires (not the brake nor the active running wires). (=> Just in case I have to deactivate them after having them mounted) - I would also like to know if the lights are marked with the homologation icons and numbers (Ex, 50R, ...) which are mandatory for running in the continental European roads. Are they homologated for the continental European countries? (=> I have seen in one picture of the tinted vs transparent light covers that the markup is there) - I've looked at the installation guides and the videos, but I'm not sure in my bike for the specific wire I have to pearce in order to get the brake function. If you could tell me, I would thank you for it. (=> I have already seen where to get it and also some bmw connectors -2 or 3 wires- to avoid pearcing any OEM wire; I guess these could be sent in the WL installation kit) However, no answer yet. Neither by contact form (5 days ago) nor direct email (2days ago). I guess I will have to wait a little bit more for their answer, and therefore, they (WL) will have to wait for me to buy it. Best regards.
Hello Juan, good morning... I have sent a reminder to Weiser for you. But I am aware that during the first few days when the website went live, Weiser had a few technical problems, but you should here back from them very soon Juan. Best wishes Carl
Hi carl... can you help me... i have installed the weiser indicators/lights on my BMWR1200GS 2018 but im having a problem connecting black cable for the switched 12v for relay... when i connect to wire from rear light i get a message on screen saying faulty rear light but when i disconnect it is fine... i tried the number plate light cable and same thing
@@justthewayitis i got in touch and your are completly correct, he sorted me , even rang me back from the pub! ..great customer service and great product!
G’day Carl Great video about the indicators. Living in Australia I would much prefer to have brighter indicators. These indicators make so much more sense to have over the standard ones. Thank you for telling me about the company, I will be using your discount code and I hope they distribute to Australia. Thanks again for all your great videos.
Hi Nigel and welcome, glad you enjoyed the episode. Mark at Weiser has / is currently sending some lights out to customers in Australia (....i Think) so it might be worth you contacting him via email or calling him on the UK telephone hotline. They are super bright lights !!! best wishes Carl
Apologies if this has been answered already, on a 2020 gs that have front indicators only, not running lights, do the new lamps become running lights just by connecting them ? Great videos by the way. Thank you
Hello Adrian and welcome, the answer is both yes and no. Yes you can have both brighter indicators and the new bright white DRL's in your 2020 GS, but they are not quite plug and play, a little wiring will need to be done, but it's very straightforward. I am currently editing the next episode which is a full installation of these lights on a 2021, you might like to watch it next week. Best wishes Carl
Unlike Tony, I don't find the install directions clear at all. Is there any way you could do an actual install instructional video? I'm excited to get these after seeing them on your channel. HELP!?
@@justthewayitis - that's great. I ended up reading and re-reading the instructions, plus downloading supplemental instruction. However, the outcome is that the lights are installed and I love them. I never would've known about this product, if not for your channel. Thank you!
Hi Invisible, that's great news and well done for installing them yourself. They are great lights and I hope you enjoy them. Which of the 2 modes on the rear did you decide to activate ? Carl
Hi Dan, yes…. You would need to order the Weiser EVO Extreme kit for your specific model year. That will give you multifunction on the rear along with white DLR on the front. Weiser have a USA website and warehouse and ship fairly quickly, if you are thinking of placing an order don’t forget you can use the discount code (see video). Best wishes Carl 🙋🏻♂️
Hi Cube, all comments welcome. Yes perhaps they could look a little more modern, and I think they are working on this, but it's going to be some time away. For me... the biggest thing is the improvement in visibility on the road. The rear oem ones are really horrible / confusing and the front probably best described as dangerous. So for me... it is worth the upgrade. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis you know the law in Germany and all the TÜV guidelines here, cant imagine they are so confusing otherwise they would not be allowed to be used, especially in Germany :)
Hi Cube, well when bmw applied for certification for the rear multifunction in North America the DOT same as our Tüv approval said NO. So in they dont have them because they felt they were not safe. I have no idea how they gained approved in the EU. And looking at the amount of users that have already had road users pull out in front of them... its becoming more of a problem. Some of the major motorbike review sources in the UK will be running separate stories covering this soon I believe. Best wishes Carl
Hello Carl, you mentioned you had the medium stalk on the front indicators, could you please let me know the size of the stalks you have fitted to the rear?
Hi Jay, the rear stalks are a fixed standard length because its important to maintain the ability to add or use BMW rear luggage. So the Weiser rear stalks still allow you to mount all the normal rear luggage systems. But,.... if you really want to change the size, then of course you can add longer stalks to move the indicators outwards increasing rear visibility. But just remember you can no longer then fit the vario luggage boxes. Hope that helps Carl
@@justthewayitis thank you for the quick reply, I have logged on the weiser website and placed the front medium in my basket and it only gave the short stem option to the rear so that’s fine. I just wanted to keep the look like your bike. I’ve followed the discount code process I’m just waiting for an email back from them with the code code now. Many Thanks again.
Then I hope you have fun with the installation, just take your time, it is quite easy to do...let me know how you get on. Mark at Weiser is great if you have problems but I think I've covered everything you need in the guide. Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, just fitted the Weiser Technic indicators and it was a doddle. I have a Hex EzCan on my bike and just had to take a 12 volt positive from one of the circuits on the EzCan direct to the 4 black wires from the indicators and Bingo! it works perfectly. Thanks so much for doing these videos they are hugely informative. Keep up the good work.
Hi Steve, welcome to the channel and thank you for your feedback. I do hope your pleased as they are great lights and make a big improvement. Best wishes Carl
Dear Carl, I just ran into your videos. First in which your explain how to install the kit. To b honest, I never fully watched a 1.17 min video. But yours was just too good to skip. I am totally confident about the light kit now. Your instruction video was one of the best I have even seen. If all would be like this, the world would not have issues :-) I will purchase the kit directly from them and will apply for a 10% discount. Again, tremendous job. Awesome! Keep that up. Cheers from the Netherlands.
Hello Rob and welcome to the channel, thank you for your kind words. I am pleased you managed to watch the whole thing…. It was long and took even longer to make. The kit is easy to install just take your time and use the video guide to fill in the gaps. Greetings to the NL 👍 Kindest regards Carl
Thanks for posting the installation video. it was very helpful and so easy to follow. just completed full assembly front and rear plus took advantage while the bike was all disassembled i also installed Denali D7 & B6 lights. Your guidance was the best. please keep up the great work.
Glad to hear it was helpful and you had a successful installation. The B6 is also a great addition 👍 thank you for taking the time to write, much appreciated. Best wishes Carl 🙏
Hello Carl, first of all, thank you very much for your very informative technical videos, keep going..., I always follow your videos with great interest. I have already followed this video on the subject of indicators and their additional functions on the GS, as well as the installation video GREAT!, and I'm about to decide to use Weisertechnik on my GS from 2021. Before that, however, I would like you or, if applicable, Weisertechnik to answer the following question. I am aware that Weisertechnik gives a 4-year warranty on the product. Can you perhaps say something on the subject of warranty - perhaps in a conversation with your dealer? How does BMW possibly react to changes in the electrical system? When making changes to the vehicle, it is often the opinion that this effect can be attributed to any other damage to the electrical system and that BMW absolves itself of responsibility and the customer gets nothing. Or have you never had such experiences with BMW or other manufacturers? Or should I better go to my dealer/BMW and ask him for an opinion? Thank you in advance, regards Jürgen
Hello Jürgen glad you enjoyed the installation guide and you have fitted them to your GS. With regards to BMW warranty all I can share is I talked about this with Weiser Technik the feedback I got was that the dealers in the USA have been installing these for several years without any issues or voiding warranty because it's not a change... it's an accessory just like fitting extra lights. But I think it's good you ask. Perhaps send Mark at Weiser this question for your own clarification and also confirm with your dealer. The only thing is your dealer may not yet have done the installation and may be unwilling to confirm until they themselves have performed the installation. Let me know how you get on. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hello Carl, I would be happy to provide you with the relevant information as soon as I have received feedback from my dealer. One more thing: how long is the discount available through your channel at Weisertechnik, is there a deadline at all? Greetings Juergen
Hi Jurgen, currently no deadline on requesting or using the discount code. I think they are going to keep it running well into 2023 ( i originally asked if they could allow viewers and subscribers to use for 1 year) and my understanding is this is what going to happen. Best Wishes, Carl
Hello Carl, I have an identical motorcycle being BMW GS 1250 2022 as yours. With more than ordinary interest I have watched all your videos about the operation of this motorcycle and I find them very good, detailed and above all commented with knowledge. Thick thumb!! I have already put on my motorcycle a few accessories that you recommended and have found to be fine. I would also like to buy the Weiser indicators because as you indicated they are much more visible and therefore much safer than the original BMW multifunction indicators. Problem I'm not educated enough myself, I think, to post this myself. I therefore asked my local dealer (BMW Motorrad Sint-Martens-Latem, Belgium) to take a look at this (installation instructions from Weiser communicated) and also whether they would like to place these indicators. Received their response below today: """ Dear Peter, After reviewing this with the workshop, we have come to the conclusion that we do not want to take the risk of mounting these non-original parts. As already mentioned by telephone, we have negative experiences with mounting aftermarket lighting because of the different resistances. We apologize for the inconvenience. With sporty greetings, """ Apparently they are not aware of Weiser's products. There is also no dealer to be found in Belgium yet. However, I rely on your opinion that Weiser has reliable products that are perfectly compatible with our motorcycle and that nothing stands in the way of the normal functioning of the motorcycle. My question to you is: when would you put your installation video on TH-cam so that I could follow it step by step and try to assemble it myself. Or do you have another idea to convince a BMW dealer in my small country? Do the Weiser indicators have really different resistances as my dealer thinks? Thanks in advance, sorry for this long explanation, and hope to find a new video about this on youTube soon. With warm regards, Peter Devooght
Hi Peter and welcome to the channel, thank you for your feedback 👍. The How Too episode I will start filming this weekend but I have to find a way to show in a 30 minute video, for what actually takes about 1.5 hours. So the editing is going to take careful thought, so this will mean it will be a couple of weeks before it is up. The comments from your BMW are normal and understandable as they have yet to install a set and experience the quality of the Weiser products. I believe the North American dealers also initially had concerns but that quickly changed once they installed a set and found they are simple to install and do not affect the bike or systems in any way. You could ask your dealer to talk directly with Mark at Weiser Technik as Mark has been through this with many many USA dealers. I hope my video will add to this and show how straight forward they are to install for owners at home. best wishes Carl
Live in the USA so this isnt an issue for me...BUT....i listened to both of your videos because you ALWAYS put on an awesome production and explanation!!! Another great job Carl!!! Your channel is really taking shape now!!!! Id love to see more clothing gear reviews. Always interested in hearing others points of view!!!!
Great video again Carl! Regarding the Weiser rear indicators: As a break light do they produce a red or amber light? And as side lights / day lights (I think BMW calls it tail light function), red or amber? As indicators they must surely be amber. Unfortunately, but understandably in the video it's difficult to see any difference in colour when changing functions. (The original BMW ones produce a red light as break light and a red light as side light / day light if I'm not mistaken).
Hi Alex, thank you, ok so it will be the same as mine (European) spec. Rear: Brake lights bright red Side lights red Indicators bright amber. Front: DLR's bright white Indicators bright amber You can change the REAR mode between two settings as shown in the video. Hope that helps and the installation video is almost ready, I have a a few more days work editing, then that will be published. Regards Carl
Hello Carl - I'm just about to fit front and rear Weiser lights to my 1250 GS and wanted to double check that your preferred mode for the rear lights is set to Mode A Option 1. If you could confirm that would be great.I love your videos which are super informative for a novice like me and they have really opened my eyes as to what can be done on the bike with a terrific resource like your series. Thank you.
Hi Carl, Great video. I've now ordered a set purely after watching your review. Had you thought about wiring it through a Hex EzCan for greater controlability? Would love an instal video too! Keep up the good work 👍
Hello and welcome, thank you for the compliment. Yes the install with a hex can is simpler, just give Weiser a call on the hotline (UK and USA) and they will explain the slightly different install process. Currently making the install video 👍 Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl brilliant vlog as usual and on this one I really appreciate the time and effort you have done to find a great product to cure a safety flaw that BMW have created and I made comment on your channel to the near misses I've had. Which brings me to the point I feel I have to make!. After spending just over £18k stg for a 2021 Triple black why should I have to pay close to £500 stg to fix a safety issue BMW has created ?.
Hi RMG, it's a good point you raise, but I think perhaps the fault lies with the approval of these lights. BMW are not the only manufacturers doing this (Honda also) and taking advantage of this. Yes the standard setup is not good and I currently do not know if BMW will continue in the same manner with the new 1300GS (I hope not) they are getting a lot of feedback from owners and I know that official dealers have commented internally about this. The Weiser kits for me not only correct the problem but also offer some additional benefits. The front White Lights are SO MUCH brighter it's almost like having additional driving lights. I understand it's a big chunk of additional expense we really should not have to spend, but for me at least the benefits are worth it. All the best Carl
Hi Carl, thanks for this informative video. I live in the Netherlands and find the price attractive but by shipping from the UK I also owe VAT and import duties which makes it too expensive. It is therefore a pity that Weiser does not ship from the EU.
Hi Wim, good morning, yes I understand completely. I hope Weiser have a solution for shipping within Europe soon too, lots of owners interested. Best wishes Carl
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Pls remember that UK VAT is DEDUCTED before national "VAT" in Europe is added. Doesn't make it much cheaper, but not much more expensive either. Anyway from a Swedish perspective. IMHO BR, /D
Hi David, I know Weiser are looking at a European supplier solution, but currently the cost is fairly similar. Have fun with your lights. Best wishes Carl in Germany.
Hi Carl. Just fitted new front and rear Weiser indicators to my 2021 GSA. Followed your video from start to finish and was delighted with the result. Well done for another brilliant video. I also took advantage of the 10% discount code ! Thank You.
Hi Mark good morning, thank you 🙏 they are so much better than OEM. But it’s sad that we have to do this to a new and expensive bike, bmw have to come up with a better solution!!! Enjoy your weekend Carl
Hi Carl, Thanks for yet another informative video. I had the same concerns, looks like I am going to be busy. I have my discount code and will be placing my order next week. I am looking forwards to your install video.
Hi Alex, hello and thank you. Yes I'm going to start working on the installation video next weekend, but it will... as always take a while to get it edited and ready. Best wishes Carl
Are the lights approved for use in the EU? I can’t find this information on their website. And if I visit Germany with my bike I guess they must be StVZO compliant also?
Hi Boxer, yes i have seen them, but i wanted to find a way to also change the colour on the front which was the most important thing for me. I have had road users pull out directly in front of me .. thinking i was indicating because the BMW ones are orange. So, i am actually very happy with the kits. best wishes carl
Hey Carl, thanks to your review. I ordered myself these super turn signals. They are sensational, they increase security to the max. I highly recommend for all bikes. Thanks again for your videos - good job :)
Hello Salwek and welcome to the channel, yes they are great lights and really make a big improvement to the visibility and safety. Thank you for your feedback 👍, best wishes Carl
As always a great video with lots of insights and useful information. I appreciate that you do not focus or speak about „buying and installing“ a product, but about the features, pros and/or cons and provide more information and insights about that product. Love the video and the lights, but I do wish that they were not so big (or so much bigger than the OEMs). Will check to see if they have some that fit a GS but are a bit smaller. Thanks and safe riding.
Hi Max, yes a couple of others have commented on the size, but having spent 3 whole days with the CEO and one of the installation team I now understand that they need to be larger to house the Osram LED's and that spacing on the PCB was important to be able to vastly improve the spread of light outwards at a greater angle... which improves visibility. At first I thought like you... perhaps they look a little big... but now they are installed I don't notice that.... but I do notice how much brighter they are and of course no Orange light is on the front of the bike. Hope that helps. Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl. I have decided to buy the font and rear lights, but I am wondering if you can give some advice on the price. If I remember correctly, we both live in Germany. The price on the Weiser website for the full kit is €419 plus €19,95 shipping. But since these may be sent from the UK, additional 19% VAT and 10% duties are probably charged when hipping them to Germany (less the discount that we can get when getting the code that you already communicated). Do you know if these 19% + 10% are charged on top? Sadly, Weiser apparently blocks the purchase through their US website if you do not live there… Thanks in advance.
Hi Max, good evening I do not know exactly how much you pay but a few subscribers have mentioned 80€ in import fees, the best thing to do is speak with Weiser-Tech directly via email or phone and ask for confirmation. Hope this helps you. Also you need to order on the.co.uk website for shipping to Europe Carl
Hi Tim, well i think you're going to enjoy them, they really are soooo much brighter than the standard ones. Do report back once you have them installed, best wishes Carl
Hi Carl. Thanks for another exceptional video. I have exactly the same bike as yours and I’ve learnt so much from your video series. I will be buying these lights to fit to my bike so I’m looking forward to the install video. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
Hi Mark, thank you for the nice feedback, I'm working on the installation video currently, if I get on well with the editing it should be up within a week. Best wishes Carl
Hi Martin, the deflector mounted on top of my screen is a cheap Chinese version which I ordered just to see if it would work, which it does very well for me. It drastically reduces noise around my helmet. I will be replacing with the official version from MRA soon. I think they call it a MRA Xscreen spoiler. Highly recommend. I will be making an episode about screens at some point as I have tested a few. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, Thnaks. another Question if I may have. I have same GS as you, just the Triple Black edition (so 2021)... is the installation just plug and play? or do you have to cut any cables or connect it to battery?
Hi Martin, you can download the full instruction on the Weiser Technik website. The BMW canbus system does all the normal controls, but Yes you do need to connect the system to the battery because these Osram LED'S are significantly brighter. No cutting of the original system is required, but one small connection is made to collect a trigger feed for the brake light. It's all explained in the instructions. Plus, as you will see from the comments already below, the Weiser team are already helping subscribers through the installation process via email and on the telephone. Best wishes Carl
Glad to see this video up at last , I've been waiting :) I am in Australia and I'm surprised that BMW was allowed to use the multifunction indicators here as all new cars have to have the DRL on the active indicator side extinguished while indicating. This is something that BMW themselves should be fixing as it is a genuine safety issue. I had a car pull out in front of me a couple of days ago and I strongly suspect that the multifunction lights were the cause.
Also have GSA in Aussie, and although it's new, it's taking me a long time to get confident using my indicators.. of all the things! When I think I have set the indicator and look down it doesn't work, and have had a couple of cars pull out on me when I KNOW they've been on.
Hi Geoff good morning, thank you for sharing your experience this is a big problem for many of us, but now he have an excellent solution. Weiser Technik will ship to Australia just send Mark the CEO an email. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Just remember to put the discount code in the right comment field when placing your order. I pot it in the wrong field and the discount wasn't initially applied. After a few e-mails, the mistake was corrected. Thanks Weiser!
Hi Rob, glad to help, they are quite easy to install and difference is huge... really a big improvement. My wife now wants me to install a set for her KTM 390 duke, so I have been working with Weiser Technik to get these available for those bikes too, we have a few technical obstacles to overcome first but once that is resolved and the testing is completed I will upload a video for the smaller KTM's and then in spring for the bigger 1290 bikes. Regards Carl
Hi Carl, Another cracking video - clear and concise as ever. Would love to see a video of the installation process. I am concerned about Canbus compatibility.
Thanks for making the video Carl. If I hadn't already invested in Denali T3's front and rear to improve frontal visibility and correct the confusion caused by the OEM rear lights, I would have no hesitation in purchasing a set of these - especially with 10% discount.
Hi String, thank you for your feedback. Which ever lights we each decide to install as long as they are better than the oem ones that's a positive outcome. Best wishes Carl
Excellent Carl. I’m def interested in an installation vid. Tho I’ve fitted Denali spots on mine to aid visibility, I’m still very interested in a set of these for both front and rear.
Hi Nick, lol.... I've seen enough subscribers asking for the How to video, to motivate me to get that done. So it will be a couple of weeks but I'll make it. Carl
Another homerun Carl. I don't have any issues with the OEM lights but if something will help me be seen better I'm all for it. I'll be getting this on order shortly. Thanks for doing the research and testing on this.
Good evening D, that's a great idea and they may well have something. Send the guys an email to the UK website, I know Mark (CEO) is keen on expanding the range for next year, so take the time to say hello and ask the question. Have a good week. Carl
Hello Buy a Weiser EXTREME EVO LED Indicators Dual Function Front & Triple Function Rear Combo Kit R1250 GS/GSA '21 - '23 × 1, at A Bike Thing. But when I connect it according to the instructions, the brake function does not work. My motorcycle has 4 pins for each rear light. With the connection instructions, only the red cable should have been connected to the rear light connector blue/brown 12V cable. But the brake light doesn't work. What I can do? I measured voltage on the gray cable and there is no voltage on the 4-color pin? Claudio
What exact year model is your bike ? ( it’s on the registration papers ) And which country are you living? The wiring is different between year models and the location you live Let me know Carl
Also read my other reply to you With things to check first Dealership don’t always install these lights correctly Also I have given you the helpline number for Weiser-Tech who are really helpful in sorting these things out I await your reply to my questions
Ok, thank you So do you have multifunction indicators installed? Have you checked the things I mentioned in my last message from 3 weeks ago ? Start at the battery and make sure the harness is connected correctly Is the fuse ok ? Is there 12v after the fuse ? Have you checked the connections inside the indicators to make sure it’s exactly how I show in the video?
Hi Miguel, the front and rear kits together are cheaper and much brighter and with more functions than choosing the light kit on new bikes when you order them. Carl
Hi Andy, good evening 👍, they are manufactured so you can do exactly that. Move them from one model to the next. But... are you just upgrading to a 23 version or a different bike ?. Because your current TB looks great. Carl
Dear Carl, following your wise advice I ordered a Weiser lighting kit. Debbie and Mark Atkins were invaluable in helping me choose the right product for my R 1250 GS model. I also watched the videos uploaded on TH-cam by Weiser to help with the installation on the machine. Unfortunately these videos are relatively old and do not fit in the assembly instructions for recent models like mine. Since you were able to install this "upgrading" kit on your motorcycle, I would greatly appreciate it if you uploaded a video describing the installation procedures (removal or not of certain parts of the motorcycle, where to make the connections on the existing wiring, etc. ) What do you think of such a video to feed your channel "Just the way it is"? I hope for an answer from you. Cordial greetings.
Hello Christian and welcome to the channel. Mark and the Weiser team are very helpful. The installation video is currently in progress, I've finished almost all the filming and I am now editing the episode. If everything goes well over the next few days it might go up on my channel later this week or at the weekend. Its going to be a long video 😏 and it has taken ages to film... so I hope owners appreciate the effort and time it has taken. But I know it's going to help lots of owners install the kits. Best wishes Carl
Hello and good afternoon. I have ordered those too and they just got delivered. One watch out: If ordered outside the UK (like in my case Germany) there will be around EUR 81 in customs and import fees to be paid.Other than that I'm looking forward to get them installed by my AD.
Hello Joerg and welcome to the channel and thank you for sharing your purchase experience. Have fun with your installation and just follow the guide video, if you have any questions just let me know and I will help. Tonight I will upload a new BMW recall information video you might like to watch. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis I"ll cheat. 🙂As the there is a recall out there which prevented my GS from being delivered BMW have agreed to install them for me. No work for me 🙂
Excellent news, may I ask which dealer is going to install the Weiser-Tech lights for you ? Quite a few subscribers here in Germany ask this question Thank you Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, my BMW dealer is in Heilbronn and they are called 'Heermann Rhein Motorrad'. I will find out hopefully by Saturday whether it was a problematic build and how much the fitting charges are. I'm happy to share the details once I have them. To make it clear. I got the Weiser lights delivered to the BMW dealer. They don't stock those and I requested them to install them as the bike was still not handed over. Keep fingers crossed that all works out well 🙂
Hi Joerg that was a great idea !!! and thankyou for sharing the dealer name, I'm sure others will find that useful, and do let me know what you think of them once they have been installed. Carl
I have been waiting for something like this. Really great... 👌 Now I would still be interested: StVZO in Germany does not cause any problems? Can you say / write something about it? Thanks!
Hi Thilo good evening. StVZO, meaning Straßenverkehrs-Zulassungs-Ordnung (Road Traffic Licensing Regulations) is something different to normal regulations. I just don't know the answer to your question. From memory (and I could be completely wrong) one of the main requirements for this classification is a "cut-off" lense to stop light directly reaching the eyes of other road users. And the other requirement is "No Flashing lights" which means indicators can not get this certificate. Perhaps you could send your question directly to Weiser Technik. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Thanks. Another question: I bought the same protection for the headlight unit as you have. How do you clean the disc and the headlight without unscrewing the disc ? This is ... difficult.
Hi Thilo, its not easy but Ihave been using a small cloth which I feed vertically down from the top. But, my wife has suggested I use a small fine bottle cleaning brush, so I have ordered a cheap small set from Amazon which I think are going to work great. Best wishes Carl
Hi Gary, you haven't mentioned where you are located or which year model bike, they are all different. Give the Weiser hotline a quick call... that's the easiest and simplest thing. Good luck with your installation Gary.
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl. It’s the same model as your bike. I just figured out I need to wire the relay to the battery and then connect the black wires to this which I think is correct.
Give me a moment.... I'll check Ok, the default option is tinted. If you want clear you can add a comment in the order. But the default is tinted. Best wishes Carl
Thanks so much Carl for your informative videos! Since I have a '22 BMW R1250GS Rallye your videos have been of interest to me. Regarding the videos on the Weiser Technik Lights, both are superb... very detailed! Since you stated that steps 6 & 7 are different for North American bikes I went onto Weiser's website to see what their installations videos had and really couldn't find anything pertaining to these steps. While good, it seems like their videos aren't the most updated. Any thoughts on adding your videos to their website? Not sure if that would create any issues? Anyway, is there a time date for developing a video for the North American installation? Again, thank you for your videos!
Hello Djernes thankyou for your feedback. I have given Weiser my *ok* to have a link on their website to my installation video guide. When they will do this I don't know. I will make the additional North American install update (step 6 + 7) but it's currently -5 degrees in my garage and too cold to film. I will also need to yet again dismantle my bike and remove the rear Weiser lights put back the originals and start again. I am going to make it, but the weather needs to warm up a little. Carl
HiCarl, I was looking forward to see them. Thank you a lot. Are we allowed to drive with these lights in Germany (ABE) because is not an EU product? I just saw, that is not possible to order them in Germany. I hope I did something wrong… See you soon and I hope we will see more of your fair beautiful films.. Yes! Show us the instalation process … Greets, Alex
Hi Alex, the lenses are original BMW, so they have E mark and DOT mark. They are compliant and can be fitted. Hope that helps the first question. With regards to shipping to Germany, yes it's no problem, just send the UK team an email and they will reply to you tomorrow with information and prices. Best wishes Carl
I talked to a german TÜV engeneer last night, The E sign is a fake and this lights are illegal in the EU. I should have already know because nowhere on the Weiser webpage they mention to have any certificate. As this is an outstanding sales argument I am sure they would tell it if they had anything.
Hi Michael, the housing and importantly the lenses are original BMW from the same supplier that supplied them to bmw. So I am surprised that your friend thinks differently. I know that Weiser-Tech are waiting for the certificate to upload to the product page. I will call them today and put your comments to them . Carl
@@justthewayitis Hello Carl, first let me say that I love your videos and I spent the past days watching them all. (thanks to home office :-)). I also must say that I share your thoughts about the visibility of the turn lights and the Weiser lights would be an ideal solution for me. I would be more than happy to spend 500 € for this lights if they were legal. But here comes the big "but". Mark from Weiser send me a picture of the glass to show that they have an E sign. This glass also carries the number of the ECE certificate. But this certificate certifies the orginal lights with ordinary light bulbs. So if you change this bulbs to LED with a difference in function and brightness then of course this certificate is completely invalid and you have to remove the E sign and the number from the glass before selling it. It is like filling a whine bottle with water and selling it as whine because the label says it is whine. I can also not take the license plate from your motorbike and attach it to mine and say now my bike is legally registered because it has a license plate. In the papers the VIN does not match. This is the same for the lights. The R50-... number certifies normal bulb lights and not LEDs. So saying that this lights are legal beacuse there is an E on the glass is a clear fake. Many normal usres might not realize this because they see the E and mount the lights to their bike. But in real life you always have to have the ECE certificate paper that shows the number, the kind of light, the manufacturer and the issuing authority. As long as Weiser is selling this lights with someone elses number this lights are a no go for everybody in Europe and in an accident you can be in real trouble because by mounting them you could loose insurance coverage of your bike. So if Weiser really will be able to provide the proper certificate and havethe correct number of their own on the glass, I will be the first one to order this set of lights, but until then I need to look for another solution that is leagal. You do not need to send my comments to Weiser as I sent already an email to them asking if they can show me the certificate paper. As you can imagine, no more answer .... Regards, Michael
Hello Michael Good morning I’ve raised this possible concern ( as you have) with Weiser-Tech and chatted at length with them about this. I think it’s fair to wait for their official response. I understand your concern about the ECE mark that is currently on the lenses. Weiser-Tech are currently having the complete product tested by an approved testing house for a new certificate of compliance. The compliance testing is being conducted with the current lenses so we should wait for the results and for Weiser-Tech to make their announcement. I could be wrong… but no KBA or ABE certificate is required for accessory lights here in Germany. For example thousands of GS owners fit Denali lights but there is no requirement for these. I do share your concerns but I am not an expert in this area. We both know that Germany has some of the strictest requirements for fitting accessories and yes we must ensure that are insurance cover is in no way affected. Let’s wait for Weiser Tech to respond with an official reply. Best wishes Carl
Great video Carl, here's my thoughts: 1. While I understand the need for Posi-Taps because of the front indicators having only 2 wires instead of 3... probably trying to make the lights compatible with multiple models is a fault. Let me explain: On my 2022 BMW R 1250 GS Adventure with the multifunction lights package I and II plus the Weiser advanced electronics on the indicator PCB they probably could have gotten away with only using the 2 wire BMW OEM connector and exploiting the PWM wizardry in order to have it be just a plug-and-play easy job instead of having the need for an aditional wire that you have to get under the gas tank (the posi tap one connecting front to rear to relay). 2. Having a fuse and relay connected to the battery, plus the positap for ACC+ (they suggested the number plate wire) is really a hacky way of doing things and most likey this would not fly in my country (which is in Europe) regarding the bike's warranty. While some argue positaps are non-invasive, that's not actually totally true, because they leaves a hole in the isolation of the cable not to mention that sometimes the connection is not even that great to begin with. Stabbing a wire with a sharp metal rod could sometimes result in poor contact depending of the stab location and especially for a motorcycle with vibrations. The saving grace is that they mentioned in the documentation that you can use a PDM instead... so if I were to get these indicators, I would 100% have them connect to a free circuit on the Hex ezCan or the Denali CanSmart instead. 3. The price, oh man the price. Over 400 euros for the front & rear kit seems really excessive. Not to mention that there's 20 euro shipping slapped on top of it. You would think they'd offer free shipping at least at that price, but nope. How come Nippy Normans can ship to Europe for free on orders over 99? 450 euros (albeit without the discount) is way too much for two pairs of indicators, a relay, some wire and a few posi taps. 4. The design. I've said it before in your previous video and I'll say it again. They are UGLY. Personally I don't like the shape and bulk of the indicators. The OEM BMW ones are a lot better design-wise. I mean for god's sake, they are bigger than the aux / fog lights. Imagine paying over 25k euro for the bike and then slapping ugly blinkers on it, ugh. Conclusion: they should really have been just a plug and play solution for the stock indicators, at a fairer price, less bulky, more streamlined & attractive. Not a purchase from me right now; maybe they will make a better v2 version in the future though.
Hi SunnyCloudy, I only have my phone with me right now so I have to reply to each part separately. As opposed to answering in one go on my PC, my apology. 1, there are several different products depending on the year and model... so check your year model first, as each version does have a slight difference. The fronts have a separate addition wire because its actually an additional +12V feed to enable an additional 300mV (approx) to be used on the front to provide additional power to run the Osram LED's at a higher output. Weiser did this to make sure that we have super bright DLR's on the front. So the additional wire has nothing do with the canbus or signals it's just there for increased power, that the oem system cant provide. It also removes the need to buy a separate and addition cost of buying and installation of something like the Hex ezCAN which for me and owners is a big plus. The fronts are still controlled by the bmw system so you still have the original extra features like soft start and such.
The Positap does NOT draw any reall current it's just there to provide a trigger feed and although owners might be concerned it's a well tested solution that means you do not have to cut wires. BMW dealers in North America have been stalling these kits on hundreds of BMW bikes over the last couple of seasons. Just look at the list of NA dealers in my video description.... which by the way is only a small part of the original list because TH-cam limit the amount of space I can use in a video description. So honesty I doubt that they would agree to do this install if they were not happy. UK BMW dealers are now also installing these kits. When I make my own how to video I will do something very slightly different but even to me as a trained engineer I'm happy with the solution that Weiser offer because it means the their system can be installed without cutting into any original systems, and it makes the product installable at home if owners want to do it.
Yes as you mention you can install the kits and utilize a currently installed Hex ezCAN system which will provide a different install process. Which some owners will enjoy. Yes, you could argue that any small hole made through a cable outer casing is not ideal, but honestly the hole is tiny and I tested the positaps on a couple of spare cables to check if I was happy...and I am. I think the solution the team has found... taking into account the cost and making the install as simple and accessible to all owners is completely acceptable. If I think about the awful wiring solutions that car manufacturers have used over the years I feel this solution is actually quite good and upto the job. Vibration is an issues with any system, whether its car, motorbike, heavy goods, trains, planes so to highlight that as a possible problem is a little harsh....Fatigue testing on oem cables has greatly improved over the years as has the material composition of not only the outer but the inner core.
Price, yes I understand that some may feel it's a little high, but its actually less than buying the system as an accessory option on a brand new bike. Plus you can move the system onto potentially your next bike. I have owned used secondhand bikes for almost all of my motorcycle career, so I greatly value the option of being able to easily move the system onto my next bike. Owners of older BMW bikes are going to enjoy this option too. Yes, looks, I agree they could look a little better, but as I mentioned in an earlier post to a comment the Weiser team needed to have a bigger PCB to mount the Osram LED'S so that the light output (angle of output) could be improved. The oem ones are quite poor, the Osram ones are if I remember this correctly 120 deg, which is then further enhanced by the outer lense taking the light spread out to approximately 180deg. I cant say this enough, once you see the lights on your bike.... the output is quite incredible.
Hi SunnyCloud, I value your input and thoughts and feedback, for me its important that you and all subscribers can share your thoughts and concerns, so thankyou for taking the time to leave your long message / comment. As too a v.2 in the future, I think it's more than likely....but quite some time away. Best wishes Carl and thank you again. I hope I didn't make to many spelling mistakes while replying on my phone. 😏
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Hello Carl! Thanks for a interesting and professional presentation. You made me order a "full kit" for my brand new 2022 R12560GS Adv. After a few days kit arrived and it really looks good this far. Not installed yet, but soon to be. Have to admit that I expected the install to be more of a "quick-swap-of-all-four-OEM-indicators" rather than going through the "pain" ;-) of removing the front fairing, especially the "scars generating procedure with the two hidden bolts"... Anyway I'm really looking forward to the end result, when letting this lights shine together with the Denali D7/B6 already installed. Looking forward to your How-To-install-video and YOUR take on handling those tricky screws on each side ;-) Stay safe! /D
Hi David good afternoon, I started today with next episode, had to remove everything and put it back to original which was sad, but tomorrow I will start filming the how too part and the installation itself. Mine is a GS so GSA might be very slightly different for the fairing mounts but I had no problems this morning returning everything to original. Best wishes Carl
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@@justthewayitis Lucky u! 😅 Looking forward to your take on the procedure. Thanks in advance. You do not happen to have a Denali CanSmart on your GS...?!
Hello Carl. Love the channel & especially this topic. I’m unable to get the 10% code from their site as that part of their website is unresponsive. I was able to register my details with them but that’s all. Also, I wasn’t offered the smoked glass option you mentioned & strange they want an international postage fee for something that’s made locally to me!
Hi Tony, the Tinted option is the default option, so that is what will come with your order, unless you leave a note with the order asking for clear. The UK went live today so its possible there might be the odd issue . If you have any doubts just send them an email and let them know. MARK the CEO from Weiser is aware and they will respond with your discount code. Just let me know how you get on. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hello Carl. I just spoke to Mark @ Weiser Technik on the phone & he was extremely helpful. After a friendly chat about the product, he took my order over the phone as I’m not very good with computers. It seems that he, you & I all have identical bikes so he fully understood what I want & I told him what a great salesman you are for him! Keep up the good work 👌
Interesting, but.... I have a 2019 GSA and the centre rear lamp is side and brake. To enhance the brake lights I have a separate brake light powered by a hex ezcan. So far so good, but I would like a brake light function in my indicators (but no side lights). This does not appear to be configurable in the Weiser product? Or could I modify the 3 wire system to have a discrete brake light feed? Also with the GSA as supplied with oem pannier racks, the mounting base of the rear oem indicators is extended rearwards by approx. 5cm. This does not appear to be available (but maybe is not a big deal). I would be interested to see how you get on with your TüV inspection.....I have had major dramas in the past having LED bulbs behind a CE marked lens. All the best from sunny Wiesbaden, Nick
Hi Nick, first answer, the outer lense is the original bmw OEM unit that was used a few years ago. So i dont think there's going to be any issues with the lenses. But your other question is a good one. I think it would be great if you sent Mark the CEO your question, they are very quick at responding and Mark would know for sure how to achieve what your looking for. Let me know how you get on and say hello from me. Best wishes Carl
Hi Nick, I talked to the Weiser team about this your and other owners in Europe concerns, from what I can see it looks like it should be the same if not very slightly less (in total) than the UK price. Vat is paid here locally by you at the import stage. Have you received a reply from Weiser ? Carl 👍
Hi Nick, I have asked your main questions about the side lights being set to Off... while keeping the extra brake lights.....internally with the Weiser team so we should here back soon. The installation is simpler if you have an ezCAN, but as I currently do not have this setup I cant confirm. Perhaps over the coming months and after I have released the basic How To episode I will order and install the Hex system and try it myself. Carl
Hi Ironwooly, yes self cancelling still works, as does all the other canbus controlled functions. Apart from the triple all at once function of Side+Brake+indicator. Best wishes Carl
I ordered the 2023 R1250GS, which I should receive next spring. The adaptive headlight is not available at the moment, but I was told we will have the option to retrofit at cost price. Based on your previous video, I had the multifunction indicators removed from my configuration.
Hi Mifili64, I can imagine your looking forward to spring and the arrival of your new bike. Well with the money saved from not having that option you can now add, what BMW probably should have made in the first place. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis your bike will come with the voucher pal. The voucher can be used for the headlight when available or if i was really stupid i could use it to buy motorrad goods up to a value of £500 when the adaptive headlight is more than £1000 second hand i dont think so my bike will get her headlight when available. Also i noticed my bike has no headlight overide button on lh switch gear told dealer and they will be fitting tbe correct switch gear as well
Great video Carl. I also have the 1250 GS (2022) with the smart indicator option, so I emailed Weiser to enquire about wiring these lights into my Denali Cansmart. They got back to me today to confirm that I can attach a pigtail lead from the Cansmart to provide the 12v, ignition switched line, so shouldn’t need to fit their relay harness to the battery and tap into any existing wiring, which will make the installation a lot cleaner. I had considered buying the Denali T3 number plate mounted multi function indicator leds, but must admit the Weiser’s look a more aesthetically pleasing option. If it weren’t for this video, I wouldn’t have known about this alternative. I look forward to your planned installation video! Thanks for all of your hard work in generating such well researched and informative content on your channel, it is very much appreciated.
Hi Mark, good morning and thank you for the compliment for the video and series, yes for those that already have a cansmart or equivalent it is a simpler install. More episodes to come, and I will be making the install video. Best Wishes Carl
I have also just contacted Weiser to as about connecting the lights to a CanSmart/EXCan. Same bike, same question! Mark Atkins responded positively, but I have asked if he will be producing a diagram to show how the connections would work, and whether the canbus software would then allow any extra control over the parameters of the lights. I have already installed Denali D4s and B6s connected to a CanSmart, and have also connected my Innovv K2 to the CanSmart by following instructions on A Bike Thing. But without clear instructions, I'm not clever enough to work this out for myself! 🤣😂🤣😂🥴
@@petersydney5895 Will be interested in his response. I thought in this instance that the cansmart would just provide the switched 12v line and the behaviour of the indicators would be controlled via their multi pin connections to the bike’s existing wiring. If it were possible to use the cansmart to control additional functionality, ie operating like the denali t3’s then fantastic, but would be surprised.
Thanks for the video Carl. I have an R1250RS, so the signals are lower on the fairing vs the GS. Do you think these are bright enough to give the lighting triangle effect?
Hi Paul, it's an interesting thing you ask. Because once they were installed, I actually thought hey !!! These have an added benefit of almost being as good as a set of aux front lights. Sure, they are never going to work like spotlights, but in terms of visibility of the bike... they certainly make an impression. I thought about talking about this extra benefit in the video, but decided I was already very positive about the lights so did not want to "overdo it" so to speak. So, I kept quiet... but now you and others can see for yourselves the extra benefit. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Thanks Carl. I actually already have the Cyclops version of these on my bike. US bikes have incandescent bulbs so those were an improvement, but I wish they were brighter so I'm going to try these. The RS has the signals further away from the headlights, so hopefully they'll be more effective for the lighting triangle. I've thought about putting aux lights on the bike, but somehow they don't quite look right on an RS. Luckily I've already done all the wiring. I'm running the DRL and brake light function through a Hex EZCan which means I can make the brake lights blink a few times on application and the front DRLs will pulse if I hit the horn. I'll try to remember to follow up once installed.
@@justthewayitis I received a set of Weiser's signals and did a test install on one side. In summary, I think they're a better product overall than the Cyclops, but they aren't going to work for me for two reasons. One is that the rears would require me to run an extra wire over what I already have. The Cyclops only required one extra wire, going to the ezCan, to handle the brake and rear running light functions. The Weiser product requires two which would mean I have to tear in the bike again to install that. On the front, they were a direct replacement with no additional wire required. Also, in both cases they're brighter than the Cyclops, but not by enough to do what I need. For the front, I really want the lighting triangle effect and I'm going to have to add actual aux lights for that. So, in summary, if I were starting from scratch, I'd go with the Weisers.
Hi Paul, I'm not sure of your geographical location, but Weiser have two hotlines you can call, one for North America and one for UK and Europe. Perhaps give the team a call as I dont have the ezCAN system so can't comment, but the Wieser team have done this and helped several owners with that setup. They are a friendly team and I'm sure they can advise you. Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, thank you for the video on the multifunction indicators. I have had the same concerns as you with my 2021 GS and was told that there was no solution to this problem. I have received my discount code, thanks to yourself and have just purchased the front and rear sets. Would really look forward to a video of you fitting them to your GS if you decide to make one. Thanks again, Martin .
Hi Martin, good evening, thank you, yes install episode will follow, but they are fairly straightforward to install. The US kits are different from the UK/EU kits but it's not a big change. Have a good weekend Carl
Hello and welcome Chabane, I don't think so as many many bmw dealers in North America have been installing these kits on hundreds of bikes. You could just send an email to the helpful Weiser and ask. Carl
Great video. Thrilled by these lights. Just ordered the full set tonight for my 22 GS. Excited to get the on the bike. Was going to grab the discount but figured I’d just support the company.
Great video Carl, been looking forward to this one as like you I really dislike the BMW system and think it is dangerous. I have already had the front amber DRL's disabled by BMW but have been unable to find a solution for the rear up till now. Do you know if I would need to get BMW to re-instate the DRL function at the front in order for the Weiser Technik lights to have full functionality?
Hi TSport, good question I will send that question to the Weiser team and report back. But I think the answer will be yes it will need activating. I will let you know. Carl
Hi, I'm wrong, they can do it with a different version and I think you will get a reply from Weiser soon, I presume you sent them an email. Let me know Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, I've spoken to Mark at Weiser Teknik and he's given me an update on what I need to do. My understanding from what he said is that if I want front only I need to either re-activate the BMW DRL's or order a different part number from Weiser. If I want all round (as I do) I just order the original part number for the bike and will get full functionality without having the DRL's switched back on. Cheers, Jim
Karl, Another excellent video and commentary. I'm getting a GSA early next year, when I did the configerator a few months ago, multifunction indicators were 'optional'. when I did the configerator this week they were 'standard' with no option so I'm more than pleased that you did the work, research and got this option - it will be the first thing I change on the bike if there is no option with BMW. Keep the videos coming and Thank You for your efforts. Regards, Martin
@@justthewayitis Karl, it's going to be GSA, Triple Black, Gold wheels, Factory lowered suspension. Just laid new tiled floor in garage, will order Abba lifter from Steve at 'A Bike Thing', shopping list of parts prepared for order from Nippy Normans and will fit the indicators as you have with everything else before it goes on the road. will keep you posted. Kind Regardfs, Martin
Hey carl slightly off topic question, great vid, but when watching your section of rear, i saw what looked like the rear main lens glowing as a side light . maybe just the camera angle but if true , also interested in how to make rear centre main lens show as side light with indicators.
Hi Bully, it's just a reflection. When the side light is ON the rear main lenses has no lights working inside. Its actually one of the things I've asked Weiser Technik to find or provide a solution for. Ps.... the North American bikes still have side light / taillights active inside the main lense. The DOT refused to allow BMW to remove it. Carl
Hi Nick, the Weiser team are looking at this to see if something can be done to use the current rear light. But also they are looking to manufacture a small unit that mounts above the number plate to give us an extra option. I will let you know how they get on testing the current rear light for possible options. Carl
Thanks Carl for the feedback and good to see options are out there . However on checking price (wow) for essentially 4 indicators think l will pass this time. Keep up the good work though 👍🏼
Hi Bully, I understand these might not be the option for everyone, I looked at everything I could find currently on the market and after a fair amount of research decided these offer a lot of flexibility and set up options and they can be moved onto the next bike if required. Currently trying to set up something with Pirelli with regards to tyre options for the GS and GSA.. more to come in later episodes. Best wishes Carl
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Carl - you should rebrand your channel as compulsory viewing for anyone who either owns a GS/GSA, or is looking to buy one.
I have literally watched hundreds of hours of videos and yours are, without any shadow of doubt, the most informative and helpful I have come across.
Good stuff, looking forward to more of your fascinating insights!
Hi Ross, thank you for your positive feedback, please see my reply above to you, at the top of the comments section, and to the many others that have said something similar. best wishes Carl
Hello Carl
I am leasing in France and I wonder where I can buy and ask for installation of those brillant Lights ? Thanks
Hello Alain and welcome to the channel. Most BMW dealerships will install these lights for you. In the USA there are lots dealerships that do this, but in Europe the Weiser-Tech lights have only recently been released so not many dealerships know about them.
You can install them yourself it’s fairly easy to do and I have a several videos showing you how to do it.
You could ring Mark at Weiser-Tech and speak with him and ask about dealerships in France 🇫🇷
Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, I have just watched your video about your new indicator setup,I have also been on the Weiser how to page, sorry but I’m still not sure if I need extra wiring and the relay under the seat. I have a2021 r1250gs,pretty sure it’s the same as yours. Please advise.
Paul
Hi Paul, you haven't said where you are located, as this also makes a difference. The best thing is to call the Weiser Team on the UK or USA helpline, they are extremely helpful and will direct you to Exactly the kit you need. If you're in the UK or EU and your bike is year model 21 or onwards, then I think you will need the same as me. BUT do ring the helpline number as the instruction for installation are also different. Mark is the CEO and i think he is taking the UK calls this week.... nice chap. Best Regards Carl
Hi Paul, did you give Weiser a call ?
Hello Carl. I’ve now fitted the new indicators and I can’t believe how impressive they are. Any queries I had during the installation were quickly resolved with a personal call from their Co Founder Mark Atkins but to be honest, the installation guide they provided with the kits should have been more than sufficient, I just happened to be the weakest link here but Mark was very patient and went out of his way to ensure that everything worked as it should. I can’t recommend them enough & I’m grateful to you for introducing the company & their products to me! 👌👏👍
Hi Tony, thank you for sharing your experiences with installing the kit and with the team at Weiser Technik, I know other owners are keen to find out how easy and straightforward these kits are to install, so a big thank you for sharing your own experiences.
Yes Mark and his team do a great job supporting their customers.
Best wishes Carl. 👍
Alright. On my 2022 GSA I added an Admore light bar and a Denali Brake Light. The Denali light is hooked into a Cansmart and the Admore light is in the factory harness. Very bright. About $400.00 total.
Hi Billy, that sounds like a nice setup too. Carl
Thanks Carl. I just purchased using your discount code. I'm also a Weaver BTW, maybe we are related...lol.
Hi TBR, well I hope you enjoy them 🙋🏻♂️. Have a great Sunday
Carl
Thank you, fab and informative video. Brilliant products, will be applying for the discount code. Does changing these lights have any detriment to the BMW warranty? Regards. Paul.
Hi Paul, these lights are installed by bmw dealership in the UK and North American so the dealers do not seem to have any issues, but perhaps ask your local dealership.
Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl thanks for all the good info. I have a 2022 GSA 40th addition. I'm not happy with standard back indicators and the break light my other problem is I live in the south of Ireland in county Waterford I was wondering do Wiser Technik have any stockists over here . Again thanks for the great detailed info . 👍
Jim Kirwan .
Hello Jim, and welcome. Weiser ship from the UK so the lights can be with you in couple of days. The installation guide WILL go up this week... I've just about finished it... took ages. If you have any questions just ring and speak with Mark at Weiser he is very helpful. We have been working together to improve the schematics and instructions and new ones are now available.
Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, once again many thanks for your videos, super informative. Just to check, the central BMW light at the rear does not illuminate with the Weiser lights installed except when braking?
Hi Cornamuck yes that is correct for the 2021 onwards European bikes. The North American bikes still have both side and brake function in the tail light.
For everyone else BMW decided too remove it (side light) and move it into the indicators.
Hope that helps
Best wishes Carl
Hello Carl... terrific video. I very much light the auxiliary lights you have mounted and their location; can you tell me the make and model and the mounting solution you have? In addition, the new turn signals actually appear brighter than those auxiliary lights... possible? Many thanks.
Hello Shawn, the aux lights are oem bmw, the standard ones in their catalogue. If you buy from BMW they are expensive but on online they are cheaper.
Yes the Weiser Technik indicator kit is much brighter than BMW (front and rear) see separate video and installation guide, and as you have noticed super bright while running as DLR'S. As far as being seen they are much better than the bmw Aux lights. But the aux lights work well at night ( see separate video)
Hope that helps...
Best wishes Carl
Fantastic video! I think I’ll treat myself soon as I’ve been worried about my Denalis overpowering my front light and also the same issue as you have on the rear.
I can’t see installing being a issue but did you ever get around to making a install video ? Thanks!
Hi Norrie, thank you 🙏, yes a full installation video can be found on my channel, step by step guide. Carl
Hello Carl I ordered a front set of these after watching your video. Unfortunately you have to be an electrical engineer to fit them, I thought it would be a simple plug and play install. I’m frightened to be chopping into the wiring on brand new bike and the video on the website is from an old GS with different indicators. Very disappointed
Hello John and welcome to the channel. If you follow my guide they are very easy to install at home, alternatively just ask your local BMW dealer to install them for you. If your in the Uk or USA just send Weiser-Tech a message or better… just call them and ask if they can give you a name of a local dealer. Best wishes Carl
Great video, thank you Carl. If I have my stock lights replaced with Weiser kit. Will it void my GS warranty
Hi Peng, I think that's a question to ask your local dealer. In the USA hundreds of these kits are fitted by BMW dealers, so I doubt it. Carl
Looking VERY forward to you installation video--I'm a s-l-o-w visual learner!
Hi Ray, welcome to the channel and I hope you enjoyed the installation guide. Best wishes Carl
Thanks for the Videos on these lights Carl,the installation video was really helpful when I fitted them to my GS…used the discount too !
Hi Jon glad to help, with the guide they are straight forward to install.
Thank you for letting me know, and best wishes Carl 👍
What length stalks did you choose for the rear of your bike? For the fronts, did you not choose the short for fear of the lights being to close together and not being distinuishable from distance or being "washed out" by the headlight?
Hi, I used short stalks on the rear so that I can still mount and use the OEM rear panniers.
On the front I used medium stalks as this was my preferred option, in North American you need to use long stalks due to some states that require a minimum distance between the headlight and indicator.
If your in the UK you are free to use all 3 lengths on the front.
Hope that helps 👍
Carl
Just purchased the front and rear set. Opened the box and it looks mind blowing to a non electrical person. How long before you do an installation video 🤔
Hi Tim, I've finished filming everything and now its just editing, but this takes the most amount of time. I hope it's up within the next week. Carl
Do you think it would be a good idea to add a small length of wicking material into the indicator drain holes... to allow drainage via the wick but prevent water and dust ingress?
Hi Simon, good morning, that’s an interesting thought and one I haven’t tried. The Weiser indicators have been on my GS for over a year now with lots of wet weather touring, so after reading your message yesterday I decided to take one of the covers off and check inside. Everything still looks new and no signs of corrosion are present.
You could try your idea and check inside in 6 months to make sure the cavity is breathing.
Regards Carl
Thanks Carl. Would appreciate an install video.
Hi Rob, good evening, thank you for your feedback. 👍
Thank you Mya. 👍
Hi Carl please make an installation video on the lights
Hi Andrew, thank you for your feedback, carl
Looks very impressive The price was on Technics web is on US dollars and will we have an import tax added when it arrives in the the post
Hi James, not sure where you are located, but there's also a UK website and they ship daily. Carl
Thanks for your amazing videos Carl, been very useful to me.
I am definitively considering the upgrade to a Weiser kit (an installation video would be awesome)
Thanks again for your work.
Hi Olivier, thank you for the compliment, yes I will probably make the install video in a couple of weeks. Carl
Recently had a few sets of Denali lights (D7s and D2s up front and two B2s rear) installed on my '22 1250 GSA. That install also included a CanSmart controller. I believe I may have one open circuit left on the CanSmart (alternatively I could alway daisy-chain another CanSmart for more circuits), so my question is: is there a way to integrate the Technik signals into the CanSmart system, or is there any need to or possible advantage in doing so? I realize I may be making an otherwise easy installation more complicated than necessary, but that's "Just the way I am"!
Hi Ray, good morning, I don’t have or use a can smart system so I think redirect your questions to Mark at the Weiser helpline email address, they are normally very quick to reply. Carl
@@justthewayitis Good point--on it now!
Would this work with my R1250GS Rallye TE ? 2019. I don’t have DRL in indicators.
Hi Shar, good morning. Yes exactly that. The kit for your GS is a different part number to mine, but yes it will give you those super bright white DRL' on the front of your 2019 Rallye. Just go to the website get your code and then put your bike year and model into the Light Finder...that will give you the kit number you need.
You can add this feature on many many of the older BMW bikes to. I'm about to add them to a 2013 R1200C for a friend that also want white DRL's on the front. Carl
Shar, I think you might need model code BM03 but check on their website. Carl
11:36 That's a HUGE improvement.
Hi Robert, yes it is 👍
Yes please on the install video.
Hi Joseph, okay maybe I should. Carl
Hi Carl it would be great if you could do that how to video . Great content as always . Thanks
Hi Outdoor, thank you and I hope to start putting the how to video together next week, but it will take some time. Carl
Seems like a good product but a tad expensive
Hi Mya, and welcome to the channel. Yes, it's not a cheap option but it is a quality product with a four-year warranty and great customer support from the company (see comments from other subscribers below) but i do understand your comment. I think a choosing to upgrade front and then later in a few months the rear might spread the cost a little. Best Wishes Carl
HI, Carl (@Just The Way It Is)
Your channel is a very good one and I'm subscribed to it. Thanks a lot.
When I saw these multi-function indication lights (specially the rear lights; simple indicator for the front and triple indicator for the rear), I thought they could be good for my R1200GS Adv 2018 lighting system.
Five days ago, I sent a contact request to the company's website (Weiser Technik - WL), as you explained in your video, for the discount code and also for some simple questions regarding the light's homologation for Continental Europe motorcycle driving and the installation in my specific bike.
These were the questions:
- I would like to know if, when buying the triple function rear lights, the rear indicator lights would still work if plug only to the OEM indicator wires (not the brake nor the active running wires).
(=> Just in case I have to deactivate them after having them mounted)
- I would also like to know if the lights are marked with the homologation icons and numbers (Ex, 50R, ...) which are mandatory for running in the continental European roads. Are they homologated for the continental European countries?
(=> I have seen in one picture of the tinted vs transparent light covers that the markup is there)
- I've looked at the installation guides and the videos, but I'm not sure in my bike for the specific wire I have to pearce in order to get the brake function. If you could tell me, I would thank you for it.
(=> I have already seen where to get it and also some bmw connectors -2 or 3 wires- to avoid pearcing any OEM wire; I guess these could be sent in the WL installation kit)
However, no answer yet. Neither by contact form (5 days ago) nor direct email (2days ago). I guess I will have to wait a little bit more for their answer, and therefore, they (WL) will have to wait for me to buy it.
Best regards.
Hello Juan, good morning... I have sent a reminder to Weiser for you. But I am aware that during the first few days when the website went live, Weiser had a few technical problems, but you should here back from them very soon Juan. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitisThank you
No problem Juan 👍
Hallo haben die auch eine deutsche Zulassung? Danke im voraus Gruß Franz
Hallo Fraz, Weiser Technik sagt, die äußere blinkerglas (Vorderseite und Rückseite) ist original BMW, also kein Problem mit dem TÜV
Hi carl... can you help me... i have installed the weiser indicators/lights on my BMWR1200GS 2018 but im having a problem connecting black cable for the switched 12v for relay... when i connect to wire from rear light i get a message on screen saying faulty rear light but when i disconnect it is fine... i tried the number plate light cable and same thing
Hi Harry, just give Mark at Weiser a call on the helpline, they are really great at walking customers through small thing like this
Very friendly
@@justthewayitis i got in touch and your are completly correct, he sorted me , even rang me back from the pub!
..great customer service and great product!
Yes they are great 👍
G’day Carl
Great video about the indicators. Living in Australia I would much prefer to have brighter indicators. These indicators make so much more sense to have over the standard ones. Thank you for telling me about the company, I will be using your discount code and I hope they distribute to Australia. Thanks again for all your great videos.
Hi Nigel and welcome, glad you enjoyed the episode. Mark at Weiser has / is currently sending some lights out to customers in Australia (....i Think) so it might be worth you contacting him via email or calling him on the UK telephone hotline. They are super bright lights !!! best wishes Carl
Apologies if this has been answered already, on a 2020 gs that have front indicators only, not running lights, do the new lamps become running lights just by connecting them ?
Great videos by the way. Thank you
Hello Adrian and welcome, the answer is both yes and no. Yes you can have both brighter indicators and the new bright white DRL's in your 2020 GS, but they are not quite plug and play, a little wiring will need to be done, but it's very straightforward.
I am currently editing the next episode which is a full installation of these lights on a 2021, you might like to watch it next week. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis
Thank you
Your very welcome...
Unlike Tony, I don't find the install directions clear at all. Is there any way you could do an actual install instructional video? I'm excited to get these after seeing them on your channel. HELP!?
Hi Invisable, and welcome to the channel. I hope to have an install video up this month. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis - that's great. I ended up reading and re-reading the instructions, plus downloading supplemental instruction. However, the outcome is that the lights are installed and I love them. I never would've known about this product, if not for your channel. Thank you!
Hi Invisible, that's great news and well done for installing them yourself. They are great lights and I hope you enjoy them. Which of the 2 modes on the rear did you decide to activate ?
Carl
Is thier a way to enable the multifunction rear indicators on US Gs's?
Rear Indicators here are single function for some bizzare reason
Hi Dan, yes….
You would need to order the Weiser EVO Extreme kit for your specific model year. That will give you multifunction on the rear along with white DLR on the front.
Weiser have a USA website and warehouse and ship fairly quickly, if you are thinking of placing an order don’t forget you can use the discount code (see video).
Best wishes Carl 🙋🏻♂️
@@justthewayitis perfect! Thank you.
Your welcome
419€ (without discount) for a very ugly indicator combination, when you have to much money and not so much taste thats the product you need :)
Hi Cube, all comments welcome. Yes perhaps they could look a little more modern, and I think they are working on this, but it's going to be some time away. For me... the biggest thing is the improvement in visibility on the road. The rear oem ones are really horrible / confusing and the front probably best described as dangerous. So for me... it is worth the upgrade. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis you know the law in Germany and all the TÜV guidelines here, cant imagine they are so confusing otherwise they would not be allowed to be used, especially in Germany :)
Hi Cube, well when bmw applied for certification for the rear multifunction in North America the DOT same as our Tüv approval said NO. So in they dont have them because they felt they were not safe. I have no idea how they gained approved in the EU. And looking at the amount of users that have already had road users pull out in front of them... its becoming more of a problem. Some of the major motorbike review sources in the UK will be running separate stories covering this soon I believe. Best wishes Carl
Installation video please, please, please.
Ok...okay... message understood. Smile.
Hello Carl, you mentioned you had the medium stalk on the front indicators, could you please let me know the size of the stalks you have fitted to the rear?
Hi Jay, the rear stalks are a fixed standard length because its important to maintain the ability to add or use BMW rear luggage. So the Weiser rear stalks still allow you to mount all the normal rear luggage systems.
But,.... if you really want to change the size, then of course you can add longer stalks to move the indicators outwards increasing rear visibility. But just remember you can no longer then fit the vario luggage boxes.
Hope that helps
Carl
@@justthewayitis thank you for the quick reply, I have logged on the weiser website and placed the front medium in my basket and it only gave the short stem option to the rear so that’s fine. I just wanted to keep the look like your bike. I’ve followed the discount code process I’m just waiting for an email back from them with the code code now. Many Thanks again.
Then I hope you have fun with the installation, just take your time, it is quite easy to do...let me know how you get on. Mark at Weiser is great if you have problems but I think I've covered everything you need in the guide. Best wishes Carl
Thank you Carl, very interesting and very useful, I'll take a look at their website.
Hi Huw, thank you, lots of interesting kits for all the older bikes too, which is great. best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, just fitted the Weiser Technic indicators and it was a doddle. I have a Hex EzCan on my bike and just had to take a 12 volt positive from one of the circuits on the EzCan direct to the 4 black wires from the indicators and Bingo! it works perfectly. Thanks so much for doing these videos they are hugely informative. Keep up the good work.
Hi Steve, welcome to the channel and thank you for your feedback. I do hope your pleased as they are great lights and make a big improvement.
Best wishes Carl
Dear Carl, I just ran into your videos. First in which your explain how to install the kit. To b honest, I never fully watched a 1.17 min video. But yours was just too good to skip. I am totally confident about the light kit now. Your instruction video was one of the best I have even seen. If all would be like this, the world would not have issues :-) I will purchase the kit directly from them and will apply for a 10% discount. Again, tremendous job. Awesome! Keep that up. Cheers from the Netherlands.
Hello Rob and welcome to the channel, thank you for your kind words. I am pleased you managed to watch the whole thing…. It was long and took even longer to make.
The kit is easy to install just take your time and use the video guide to fill in the gaps.
Greetings to the NL 👍
Kindest regards Carl
Thanks for posting the installation video. it was very helpful and so easy to follow. just completed full assembly front and rear plus took advantage while the bike was all disassembled i also installed Denali D7 & B6 lights. Your guidance was the best. please keep up the great work.
Glad to hear it was helpful and you had a successful installation. The B6 is also a great addition 👍 thank you for taking the time to write, much appreciated.
Best wishes Carl 🙏
Hello Carl,
first of all, thank you very much for your very informative technical videos, keep going..., I always follow your videos with great interest.
I have already followed this video on the subject of indicators and their additional functions on the GS, as well as the installation video GREAT!, and I'm about to decide to use Weisertechnik on my GS from 2021.
Before that, however, I would like you or, if applicable, Weisertechnik to answer the following question.
I am aware that Weisertechnik gives a 4-year warranty on the product.
Can you perhaps say something on the subject of warranty - perhaps in a conversation with your dealer? How does BMW possibly react to changes in the electrical system?
When making changes to the vehicle, it is often the opinion that this effect can be attributed to any other damage to the electrical system and that BMW absolves itself of responsibility and the customer gets nothing.
Or have you never had such experiences with BMW or other manufacturers?
Or should I better go to my dealer/BMW and ask him for an opinion?
Thank you in advance, regards Jürgen
Hello Jürgen glad you enjoyed the installation guide and you have fitted them to your GS. With regards to BMW warranty all I can share is I talked about this with Weiser Technik the feedback I got was that the dealers in the USA have been installing these for several years without any issues or voiding warranty because it's not a change... it's an accessory just like fitting extra lights. But I think it's good you ask. Perhaps send Mark at Weiser this question for your own clarification and also confirm with your dealer. The only thing is your dealer may not yet have done the installation and may be unwilling to confirm until they themselves have performed the installation. Let me know how you get on.
Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hello Carl, I would be happy to provide you with the relevant information as soon as I have received feedback from my dealer. One more thing: how long is the discount available through your channel at Weisertechnik, is there a deadline at all?
Greetings Juergen
Hi Jurgen, currently no deadline on requesting or using the discount code. I think they are going to keep it running well into 2023 ( i originally asked if they could allow viewers and subscribers to use for 1 year) and my understanding is this is what going to happen. Best Wishes, Carl
@@justthewayitis Great, I'll have made my decision by then, as long as BMW doesn't crossing my plans. Greatings
Just let me know what BMW eventually say. Thankyou Carl
Hello Carl,
I have an identical motorcycle being BMW GS 1250 2022 as yours.
With more than ordinary interest I have watched all your videos about the operation of this motorcycle and I find them very good, detailed and above all commented with knowledge. Thick thumb!!
I have already put on my motorcycle a few accessories that you recommended and have found to be fine.
I would also like to buy the Weiser indicators because as you indicated they are much more visible and therefore much safer than the original BMW multifunction indicators. Problem I'm not educated enough myself, I think, to post this myself. I therefore asked my local dealer (BMW Motorrad Sint-Martens-Latem, Belgium) to take a look at this (installation instructions from Weiser communicated) and also whether they would like to place these indicators.
Received their response below today:
""" Dear Peter,
After reviewing this with the workshop, we have come to the conclusion that we do not want to take the risk of mounting these non-original parts.
As already mentioned by telephone, we have negative experiences with mounting aftermarket lighting because of the different resistances.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
With sporty greetings, """
Apparently they are not aware of Weiser's products. There is also no dealer to be found in Belgium yet.
However, I rely on your opinion that Weiser has reliable products that are perfectly compatible with our motorcycle and that nothing stands in the way of the normal functioning of the motorcycle.
My question to you is: when would you put your installation video on TH-cam so that I could follow it step by step and try to assemble it myself.
Or do you have another idea to convince a BMW dealer in my small country?
Do the Weiser indicators have really different resistances as my dealer thinks?
Thanks in advance, sorry for this long explanation, and hope to find a new video about this on youTube soon.
With warm regards,
Peter Devooght
Hi Peter and welcome to the channel, thank you for your feedback 👍. The How Too episode I will start filming this weekend but I have to find a way to show in a 30 minute video, for what actually takes about 1.5 hours. So the editing is going to take careful thought, so this will mean it will be a couple of weeks before it is up.
The comments from your BMW are normal and understandable as they have yet to install a set and experience the quality of the Weiser products. I believe the North American dealers also initially had concerns but that quickly changed once they installed a set and found they are simple to install and do not affect the bike or systems in any way. You could ask your dealer to talk directly with Mark at Weiser Technik as Mark has been through this with many many USA dealers. I hope my video will add to this and show how straight forward they are to install for owners at home. best wishes Carl
Live in the USA so this isnt an issue for me...BUT....i listened to both of your videos because you ALWAYS put on an awesome production and explanation!!! Another great job Carl!!! Your channel is really taking shape now!!!!
Id love to see more clothing gear reviews. Always interested in hearing others points of view!!!!
Thank you for suggestions maybe I can talk to some clothing suppliers and ask if they would be willing to supply products for review.
Best wishes Carl
Great video again Carl!
Regarding the Weiser rear indicators:
As a break light do they produce a red or amber light?
And as side lights / day lights (I think BMW calls it tail light function), red or amber?
As indicators they must surely be amber.
Unfortunately, but understandably in the video it's difficult to see any difference in colour when changing functions.
(The original BMW ones produce a red light as break light and a red light as side light / day light if I'm not mistaken).
Hi Alex, good afternoon, are you located in North America?
@@justthewayitis No, Amsterdam.
Hi Alex, thank you, ok so it will be the same as mine (European) spec.
Rear:
Brake lights bright red
Side lights red
Indicators bright amber.
Front:
DLR's bright white
Indicators bright amber
You can change the REAR mode between two settings as shown in the video.
Hope that helps and the installation video is almost ready, I have a a few more days work editing, then that will be published.
Regards Carl
@@justthewayitis Crystal clear Carl 👌 Thnx!
No problem 👍
Great videos, i hardly wait for you to start explaining ABS,ABS pro and TC control.....:))))))
Hi Boris, thank you 👍. Yes more to come
Hello Carl - I'm just about to fit front and rear Weiser lights to my 1250 GS and wanted to double check that your preferred mode for the rear lights is set to Mode A Option 1. If you could confirm that would be great.I love your videos which are super informative for a novice like me and they have really opened my eyes as to what can be done on the bike with a terrific resource like your series. Thank you.
Hi Mike and welcome to the channel, option 1
Have fun with your installation 🙏
Regards Carl and thank you for the feedback
Hi Carl, Great video. I've now ordered a set purely after watching your review. Had you thought about wiring it through a Hex EzCan for greater controlability? Would love an instal video too! Keep up the good work 👍
Hello and welcome, thank you for the compliment. Yes the install with a hex can is simpler, just give Weiser a call on the hotline (UK and USA) and they will explain the slightly different install process.
Currently making the install video 👍
Best wishes Carl
Thanks Carl another great video very informative thanks John
Hi John, good evening. Thankyou 👍
Hi Carl brilliant vlog as usual and on this one I really appreciate the time and effort you have done to find a great product to cure a safety flaw that BMW have created and I made comment on your channel to the near misses I've had. Which brings me to the point I feel I have to make!. After spending just over £18k stg for a 2021 Triple black why should I have to pay close to £500 stg to fix a safety issue BMW has created ?.
Hi RMG, it's a good point you raise, but I think perhaps the fault lies with the approval of these lights. BMW are not the only manufacturers doing this (Honda also) and taking advantage of this. Yes the standard setup is not good and I currently do not know if BMW will continue in the same manner with the new 1300GS (I hope not) they are getting a lot of feedback from owners and I know that official dealers have commented internally about this. The Weiser kits for me not only correct the problem but also offer some additional benefits. The front White Lights are SO MUCH brighter it's almost like having additional driving lights. I understand it's a big chunk of additional expense we really should not have to spend, but for me at least the benefits are worth it. All the best Carl
Hi Carl, thanks for this informative video. I live in the Netherlands and find the price attractive but by shipping from the UK I also owe VAT and import duties which makes it too expensive. It is therefore a pity that Weiser does not ship from the EU.
Hi Wim, good morning, yes I understand completely. I hope Weiser have a solution for shipping within Europe soon too, lots of owners interested. Best wishes Carl
Pls remember that UK VAT is DEDUCTED before national "VAT" in Europe is added. Doesn't make it much cheaper, but not much more expensive either. Anyway from a Swedish perspective. IMHO BR, /D
Hi David, I know Weiser are looking at a European supplier solution, but currently the cost is fairly similar. Have fun with your lights. Best wishes Carl in Germany.
Hi Carl. Just fitted new front and rear Weiser indicators to my 2021 GSA. Followed your video from start to finish and was delighted with the result. Well done for another brilliant video. I also took advantage of the 10% discount code !
Thank You.
Hi Mark good morning, thank you 🙏 they are so much better than OEM.
But it’s sad that we have to do this to a new and expensive bike, bmw have to come up with a better solution!!!
Enjoy your weekend Carl
Hi mate, great video! I too would really like to see you do a how to install vid please?
Hi Scott, thank you, yes I think I might bring that episode forward. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis thanks for the reply Carl. Your vids are great, love the detail and brilliant explanations 👍
Your very welcome Scott. 👍
Hi Carl,
Thanks for yet another informative video.
I had the same concerns, looks like I am going to be busy. I have my discount code and will be placing my order next week.
I am looking forwards to your install video.
Hi Alex, hello and thank you. Yes I'm going to start working on the installation video next weekend, but it will... as always take a while to get it edited and ready. Best wishes Carl
Are the lights approved for use in the EU? I can’t find this information on their website. And if I visit Germany with my bike I guess they must be StVZO compliant also?
Hi Bengt, yes they are compliant 👍. UK and EU compliant. Best wishes Carl
Also have a look at LED turn signal offerings by Dynamic Motorrad. They were much cheaper than Weiser for turn signals on my 2019 GS.
Hi Boxer, yes i have seen them, but i wanted to find a way to also change the colour on the front which was the most important thing for me. I have had road users pull out directly in front of me .. thinking i was indicating because the BMW ones are orange. So, i am actually very happy with the kits. best wishes carl
Hey Carl, thanks to your review. I ordered myself these super turn signals. They are sensational, they increase security to the max. I highly recommend for all bikes. Thanks again for your videos - good job :)
Hello Salwek and welcome to the channel, yes they are great lights and really make a big improvement to the visibility and safety. Thank you for your feedback 👍, best wishes Carl
As always a great video with lots of insights and useful information. I appreciate that you do not focus or speak about „buying and installing“ a product, but about the features, pros and/or cons and provide more information and insights about that product. Love the video and the lights, but I do wish that they were not so big (or so much bigger than the OEMs). Will check to see if they have some that fit a GS but are a bit smaller. Thanks and safe riding.
Hi Max, yes a couple of others have commented on the size, but having spent 3 whole days with the CEO and one of the installation team I now understand that they need to be larger to house the Osram LED's and that spacing on the PCB was important to be able to vastly improve the spread of light outwards at a greater angle... which improves visibility. At first I thought like you... perhaps they look a little big... but now they are installed I don't notice that.... but I do notice how much brighter they are and of course no Orange light is on the front of the bike. Hope that helps. Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl. I have decided to buy the font and rear lights, but I am wondering if you can give some advice on the price. If I remember correctly, we both live in Germany. The price on the Weiser website for the full kit is €419 plus €19,95 shipping. But since these may be sent from the UK, additional 19% VAT and 10% duties are probably charged when hipping them to Germany (less the discount that we can get when getting the code that you already communicated).
Do you know if these 19% + 10% are charged on top?
Sadly, Weiser apparently blocks the purchase through their US website if you do not live there…
Thanks in advance.
Hi Max, good evening
I do not know exactly how much you pay but a few subscribers have mentioned 80€ in import fees, the best thing to do is speak with Weiser-Tech directly via email or phone and ask for confirmation. Hope this helps you.
Also you need to order on the.co.uk website for shipping to Europe
Carl
Useful thanks….
Your welcome 👍
Great video Carl, but for me I don't want my indicators doing other stuff, too confusing I think for car drivers
Hi Inspector... welcome to the channel and thank you for sharing. Carl
Took a deep breath before pressing the Apple Pay button but they are ordered. The 10% discount helped.
Thanks for your work with this Carl 👍
Hi Tim, well i think you're going to enjoy them, they really are soooo much brighter than the standard ones. Do report back once you have them installed, best wishes Carl
I did iam training and really struggled at times with spitting the observers indicators.
Thankfully he got a new bike
Hi Major, these new options from Weiser Technik make life much easier. I am totally happy with the solution. Carl
Carl, definitely do a install video, great stuff,thanks..jim
Hi Jim, good morning and thank you 👍
Hi Carl. Thanks for another exceptional video. I have exactly the same bike as yours and I’ve learnt so much from your video series. I will be buying these lights to fit to my bike so I’m looking forward to the install video. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
Hi Mark, thank you for the nice feedback, I'm working on the installation video currently, if I get on well with the editing it should be up within a week. Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl. What is the deflektor you have?
Hi Martin, the deflector mounted on top of my screen is a cheap Chinese version which I ordered just to see if it would work, which it does very well for me. It drastically reduces noise around my helmet. I will be replacing with the official version from MRA soon. I think they call it a MRA Xscreen spoiler. Highly recommend. I will be making an episode about screens at some point as I have tested a few. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, Thnaks. another Question if I may have. I have same GS as you, just the Triple Black edition (so 2021)... is the installation just plug and play? or do you have to cut any cables or connect it to battery?
Hi Martin, you can download the full instruction on the Weiser Technik website. The BMW canbus system does all the normal controls, but Yes you do need to connect the system to the battery because these Osram LED'S are significantly brighter. No cutting of the original system is required, but one small connection is made to collect a trigger feed for the brake light. It's all explained in the instructions. Plus, as you will see from the comments already below, the Weiser team are already helping subscribers through the installation process via email and on the telephone. Best wishes Carl
Thank you so much. I placed an order using the discount code and I'll wait for an install video.
Hi Rafael, good evening, thats great news.... your going to like them. Carl
Glad to see this video up at last , I've been waiting :) I am in Australia and I'm surprised that BMW was allowed to use the multifunction indicators here as all new cars have to have the DRL on the active indicator side extinguished while indicating. This is something that BMW themselves should be fixing as it is a genuine safety issue. I had a car pull out in front of me a couple of days ago and I strongly suspect that the multifunction lights were the cause.
Also have GSA in Aussie, and although it's new, it's taking me a long time to get confident using my indicators.. of all the things! When I think I have set the indicator and look down it doesn't work, and have had a couple of cars pull out on me when I KNOW they've been on.
Hi Geoff good morning, thank you for sharing your experience this is a big problem for many of us, but now he have an excellent solution. Weiser Technik will ship to Australia just send Mark the CEO an email. Best wishes Carl
Hi Ross thankyou to you too, as I have replied above, you can have these lights shipped to Australia. Best wishes Carl
Remember to ask for your discount...👍
@@justthewayitis Just remember to put the discount code in the right comment field when placing your order. I pot it in the wrong field and the discount wasn't initially applied. After a few e-mails, the mistake was corrected. Thanks Weiser!
Excellent, this and the installation video has now prompted me to get the discount code, keep up the good work 🙂
Hi Rob, glad to help, they are quite easy to install and difference is huge... really a big improvement. My wife now wants me to install a set for her KTM 390 duke, so I have been working with Weiser Technik to get these available for those bikes too, we have a few technical obstacles to overcome first but once that is resolved and the testing is completed I will upload a video for the smaller KTM's and then in spring for the bigger 1290 bikes.
Regards Carl
Hi Carl,
Another cracking video - clear and concise as ever. Would love to see a video of the installation process. I am concerned about Canbus compatibility.
Hi Martin, canbus compatibility is as expected, perfect. Installation video will follow soon. Best wishes Carl
Thanks for making the video Carl.
If I hadn't already invested in Denali T3's front and rear to improve frontal visibility and correct the confusion caused by the OEM rear lights, I would have no hesitation in purchasing a set of these - especially with 10% discount.
Hi String, thank you for your feedback. Which ever lights we each decide to install as long as they are better than the oem ones that's a positive outcome. Best wishes Carl
Excellent Carl. I’m def interested in an installation vid. Tho I’ve fitted Denali spots on mine to aid visibility, I’m still very interested in a set of these for both front and rear.
Hi Nick, lol.... I've seen enough subscribers asking for the How to video, to motivate me to get that done. So it will be a couple of weeks but I'll make it. Carl
Another homerun Carl. I don't have any issues with the OEM lights but if something will help me be seen better I'm all for it. I'll be getting this on order shortly. Thanks for doing the research and testing on this.
Hi Correy, good evening. Well I hope you like them, they are so much brighter especially the fronts. Enjoy... kindest regards Carl
Excellent video Carl, on a clever product. Now, if only they covered the Yamaha 9GT and the Ducati Multistrada 🙂
Good evening D, that's a great idea and they may well have something. Send the guys an email to the UK website, I know Mark (CEO) is keen on expanding the range for next year, so take the time to say hello and ask the question. Have a good week. Carl
Excellent presentation, very clear and concise. Cheers and thank you.
Hi Roman, thank you for your feedback. 👍
Hello
Buy a Weiser EXTREME EVO LED Indicators Dual Function Front & Triple Function Rear Combo Kit R1250 GS/GSA '21 - '23 × 1, at A Bike Thing.
But when I connect it according to the instructions, the brake function does not work.
My motorcycle has 4 pins for each rear light.
With the connection instructions, only the red cable should have been connected to the rear light connector blue/brown 12V cable.
But the brake light doesn't work.
What I can do?
I measured voltage on the gray cable and there is no voltage on the 4-color pin?
Claudio
What exact year model is your bike ? ( it’s on the registration papers )
And which country are you living?
The wiring is different between year models and the location you live
Let me know
Carl
Also read my other reply to you
With things to check first
Dealership don’t always install these lights correctly
Also I have given you the helpline number for Weiser-Tech who are really helpful in sorting these things out
I await your reply to my questions
@@justthewayitis
Year 2022
Country Chile
Ok, thank you
So do you have multifunction indicators installed?
Have you checked the things I mentioned in my last message from 3 weeks ago ?
Start at the battery and make sure the harness is connected correctly
Is the fuse ok ?
Is there 12v after the fuse ?
Have you checked the connections inside the indicators to make sure it’s exactly how I show in the video?
@@justthewayitis
what I don't understand
I would be very interested in watching you change a front & rear indicator. Very good channel
Hi Greg, thank you for your feedback. Best wishes Carl
nice job , very important content this is way better than the factory ligths ... is it expensive ?
Hi Miguel, the front and rear kits together are cheaper and much brighter and with more functions than choosing the light kit on new bikes when you order them. Carl
Look good mate way more visible if i was keeping my GSA i would swap in a hart beat but ill be after a new one next year .
Hi Andy, good evening 👍, they are manufactured so you can do exactly that. Move them from one model to the next. But... are you just upgrading to a 23 version or a different bike ?. Because your current TB looks great. Carl
Dear Carl, following your wise advice I ordered a Weiser lighting kit. Debbie and Mark Atkins were invaluable in helping me choose the right product for my R 1250 GS model. I also watched the videos uploaded on TH-cam by Weiser to help with the installation on the machine. Unfortunately these videos are relatively old and do not fit in the assembly instructions for recent models like mine. Since you were able to install this "upgrading" kit on your motorcycle, I would greatly appreciate it if you uploaded a video describing the installation procedures (removal or not of certain parts of the motorcycle, where to make the connections on the existing wiring, etc. ) What do you think of such a video to feed your channel "Just the way it is"? I hope for an answer from you. Cordial greetings.
Hello Christian and welcome to the channel. Mark and the Weiser team are very helpful. The installation video is currently in progress, I've finished almost all the filming and I am now editing the episode. If everything goes well over the next few days it might go up on my channel later this week or at the weekend. Its going to be a long video 😏 and it has taken ages to film... so I hope owners appreciate the effort and time it has taken. But I know it's going to help lots of owners install the kits. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis What a clever guy you are ! 😉 Many thanks
Lol .. 👍
Hello and good afternoon. I have ordered those too and they just got delivered. One watch out: If ordered outside the UK (like in my case Germany) there will be around EUR 81 in customs and import fees to be paid.Other than that I'm looking forward to get them installed by my AD.
Hello Joerg and welcome to the channel and thank you for sharing your purchase experience. Have fun with your installation and just follow the guide video, if you have any questions just let me know and I will help.
Tonight I will upload a new BMW recall information video you might like to watch.
Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis I"ll cheat. 🙂As the there is a recall out there which prevented my GS from being delivered BMW have agreed to install them for me. No work for me 🙂
Excellent news, may I ask which dealer is going to install the Weiser-Tech lights for you ?
Quite a few subscribers here in Germany ask this question
Thank you Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, my BMW dealer is in Heilbronn and they are called 'Heermann Rhein Motorrad'. I will find out hopefully by Saturday whether it was a problematic build and how much the fitting charges are. I'm happy to share the details once I have them. To make it clear. I got the Weiser lights delivered to the BMW dealer. They don't stock those and I requested them to install them as the bike was still not handed over. Keep fingers crossed that all works out well 🙂
Hi Joerg that was a great idea !!! and thankyou for sharing the dealer name, I'm sure others will find that useful, and do let me know what you think of them once they have been installed. Carl
I have been waiting for something like this. Really great... 👌
Now I would still be interested:
StVZO in Germany does not cause any problems? Can you say / write something about it?
Thanks!
Hi Thilo good evening. StVZO, meaning Straßenverkehrs-Zulassungs-Ordnung (Road Traffic Licensing Regulations) is something different to normal regulations. I just don't know the answer to your question. From memory (and I could be completely wrong) one of the main requirements for this classification is a "cut-off" lense to stop light directly reaching the eyes of other road users. And the other requirement is "No Flashing lights" which means indicators can not get this certificate.
Perhaps you could send your question directly to Weiser Technik. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Thanks.
Another question:
I bought the same protection for the headlight unit as you have. How do you clean the disc and the headlight without unscrewing the disc ?
This is ... difficult.
Hi Thilo, its not easy but Ihave been using a small cloth which I feed vertically down from the top. But, my wife has suggested I use a small fine bottle cleaning brush, so I have ordered a cheap small set from Amazon which I think are going to work great. Best wishes Carl
Anyone know where the black wires connect to on the rear triple function lights ??
Hi Gary, you haven't mentioned where you are located or which year model bike, they are all different. Give the Weiser hotline a quick call... that's the easiest and simplest thing. Good luck with your installation Gary.
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl. It’s the same model as your bike. I just figured out I need to wire the relay to the battery and then connect the black wires to this which I think is correct.
Check the instructions I think your right but I'm not at home to check. Mark on the uk hotline is very good Gary, just call him.
+44 (0)203 649 7524
Mark is extremely friendly and will help quickly
@@justthewayitis Cheers Carl. Will do. Thanks for the reply and keep up the great videos 😄
Hi Carl, Just been through the ordering process for a full set with medium front stems but can’t see the smoked option.
Give me a moment.... I'll check
Ok, the default option is tinted. If you want clear you can add a comment in the order.
But the default is tinted. Best wishes Carl
See reply above Tim.
Thanks so much Carl for your informative videos! Since I have a '22 BMW R1250GS Rallye your videos have been of interest to me. Regarding the videos on the Weiser Technik Lights, both are superb... very detailed! Since you stated that steps 6 & 7 are different for North American bikes I went onto Weiser's website to see what their installations videos had and really couldn't find anything pertaining to these steps. While good, it seems like their videos aren't the most updated. Any thoughts on adding your videos to their website? Not sure if that would create any issues? Anyway, is there a time date for developing a video for the North American installation? Again, thank you for your videos!
Hello Djernes thankyou for your feedback. I have given Weiser my *ok* to have a link on their website to my installation video guide. When they will do this I don't know.
I will make the additional North American install update (step 6 + 7) but it's currently -5 degrees in my garage and too cold to film.
I will also need to yet again dismantle my bike and remove the rear Weiser lights put back the originals and start again.
I am going to make it, but the weather needs to warm up a little.
Carl
@@justthewayitis No problem! I ended up talking with Marl Atkins the other day. He is a nice man.
Yes, he is 👍
North American version now available on the channel. Episode 16.
Regards Carl
HiCarl, I was looking forward to see them. Thank you a lot. Are we allowed to drive with these lights in Germany (ABE) because is not an EU product? I just saw, that is not possible to order them in Germany. I hope I did something wrong… See you soon and I hope we will see more of your fair beautiful films.. Yes! Show us the instalation process … Greets, Alex
Hi Alex, I'll try to get more information for you, and reply later. Best wishes Carl
Hi Alex, the lenses are original BMW, so they have E mark and DOT mark. They are compliant and can be fitted. Hope that helps the first question.
With regards to shipping to Germany, yes it's no problem, just send the UK team an email and they will reply to you tomorrow with information and prices. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Thank you very much for your answer
No problem 👍
I talked to a german TÜV engeneer last night, The E sign is a fake and this lights are illegal in the EU. I should have already know because nowhere on the Weiser webpage they mention to have any certificate. As this is an outstanding sales argument I am sure they would tell it if they had anything.
Hi Michael, the housing and importantly the lenses are original BMW from the same supplier that supplied them to bmw. So I am surprised that your friend thinks differently. I know that Weiser-Tech are waiting for the certificate to upload to the product page. I will call them today and put your comments to them . Carl
@@justthewayitis Hello Carl, first let me say that I love your videos and I spent the past days watching them all. (thanks to home office :-)). I also must say that I share your thoughts about the visibility of the turn lights and the Weiser lights would be an ideal solution for me. I would be more than happy to spend 500 € for this lights if they were legal.
But here comes the big "but". Mark from Weiser send me a picture of the glass to show that they have an E sign. This glass also carries the number of the ECE certificate. But this certificate certifies the orginal lights with ordinary light bulbs. So if you change this bulbs to LED with a difference in function and brightness then of course this certificate is completely invalid and you have to remove the E sign and the number from the glass before selling it. It is like filling a whine bottle with water and selling it as whine because the label says it is whine. I can also not take the license plate from your motorbike and attach it to mine and say now my bike is legally registered because it has a license plate. In the papers the VIN does not match. This is the same for the lights. The R50-... number certifies normal bulb lights and not LEDs. So saying that this lights are legal beacuse there is an E on the glass is a clear fake. Many normal usres might not realize this because they see the E and mount the lights to their bike. But in real life you always have to have the ECE certificate paper that shows the number, the kind of light, the manufacturer and the issuing authority. As long as Weiser is selling this lights with someone elses number this lights are a no go for everybody in Europe and in an accident you can be in real trouble because by mounting them you could loose insurance coverage of your bike.
So if Weiser really will be able to provide the proper certificate and havethe correct number of their own on the glass, I will be the first one to order this set of lights, but until then I need to look for another solution that is leagal.
You do not need to send my comments to Weiser as I sent already an email to them asking if they can show me the certificate paper. As you can imagine, no more answer ....
Regards,
Michael
Hello Michael
Good morning
I’ve raised this possible concern ( as you have) with Weiser-Tech and chatted at length with them about this. I think it’s fair to wait for their official response.
I understand your concern about the ECE mark that is currently on the lenses.
Weiser-Tech are currently having the complete product tested by an approved testing house for a new certificate of compliance.
The compliance testing is being conducted with the current lenses so we should wait for the results and for Weiser-Tech to make their announcement.
I could be wrong… but no KBA or ABE certificate is required for accessory lights here in Germany.
For example thousands of GS owners fit Denali lights but there is no requirement for these.
I do share your concerns but I am not an expert in this area.
We both know that Germany has some of the strictest requirements for fitting accessories and yes we must ensure that are insurance cover is in no way affected.
Let’s wait for Weiser Tech to respond with an official reply.
Best wishes Carl
Great video Carl, here's my thoughts:
1. While I understand the need for Posi-Taps because of the front indicators having only 2 wires instead of 3... probably trying to make the lights compatible with multiple models is a fault. Let me explain: On my 2022 BMW R 1250 GS Adventure with the multifunction lights package I and II plus the Weiser advanced electronics on the indicator PCB they probably could have gotten away with only using the 2 wire BMW OEM connector and exploiting the PWM wizardry in order to have it be just a plug-and-play easy job instead of having the need for an aditional wire that you have to get under the gas tank (the posi tap one connecting front to rear to relay).
2. Having a fuse and relay connected to the battery, plus the positap for ACC+ (they suggested the number plate wire) is really a hacky way of doing things and most likey this would not fly in my country (which is in Europe) regarding the bike's warranty. While some argue positaps are non-invasive, that's not actually totally true, because they leaves a hole in the isolation of the cable not to mention that sometimes the connection is not even that great to begin with. Stabbing a wire with a sharp metal rod could sometimes result in poor contact depending of the stab location and especially for a motorcycle with vibrations. The saving grace is that they mentioned in the documentation that you can use a PDM instead... so if I were to get these indicators, I would 100% have them connect to a free circuit on the Hex ezCan or the Denali CanSmart instead.
3. The price, oh man the price. Over 400 euros for the front & rear kit seems really excessive. Not to mention that there's 20 euro shipping slapped on top of it. You would think they'd offer free shipping at least at that price, but nope. How come Nippy Normans can ship to Europe for free on orders over 99? 450 euros (albeit without the discount) is way too much for two pairs of indicators, a relay, some wire and a few posi taps.
4. The design. I've said it before in your previous video and I'll say it again. They are UGLY. Personally I don't like the shape and bulk of the indicators. The OEM BMW ones are a lot better design-wise. I mean for god's sake, they are bigger than the aux / fog lights. Imagine paying over 25k euro for the bike and then slapping ugly blinkers on it, ugh.
Conclusion: they should really have been just a plug and play solution for the stock indicators, at a fairer price, less bulky, more streamlined & attractive. Not a purchase from me right now; maybe they will make a better v2 version in the future though.
Hi SunnyCloudy, I only have my phone with me right now so I have to reply to each part separately. As opposed to answering in one go on my PC, my apology.
1, there are several different products depending on the year and model... so check your year model first, as each version does have a slight difference. The fronts have a separate addition wire because its actually an additional +12V feed to enable an additional 300mV (approx) to be used on the front to provide additional power to run the Osram LED's at a higher output. Weiser did this to make sure that we have super bright DLR's on the front. So the additional wire has nothing do with the canbus or signals it's just there for increased power, that the oem system cant provide. It also removes the need to buy a separate and addition cost of buying and installation of something like the Hex ezCAN which for me and owners is a big plus. The fronts are still controlled by the bmw system so you still have the original extra features like soft start and such.
The Positap does NOT draw any reall current it's just there to provide a trigger feed and although owners might be concerned it's a well tested solution that means you do not have to cut wires.
BMW dealers in North America have been stalling these kits on hundreds of BMW bikes over the last couple of seasons. Just look at the list of NA dealers in my video description.... which by the way is only a small part of the original list because TH-cam limit the amount of space I can use in a video description. So honesty I doubt that they would agree to do this install if they were not happy. UK BMW dealers are now also installing these kits.
When I make my own how to video I will do something very slightly different but even to me as a trained engineer I'm happy with the solution that Weiser offer because it means the their system can be installed without cutting into any original systems, and it makes the product installable at home if owners want to do it.
Yes as you mention you can install the kits and utilize a currently installed Hex ezCAN system which will provide a different install process. Which some owners will enjoy.
Yes, you could argue that any small hole made through a cable outer casing is not ideal, but honestly the hole is tiny and I tested the positaps on a couple of spare cables to check if I was happy...and I am. I think the solution the team has found... taking into account the cost and making the install as simple and accessible to all owners is completely acceptable.
If I think about the awful wiring solutions that car manufacturers have used over the years I feel this solution is actually quite good and upto the job.
Vibration is an issues with any system, whether its car, motorbike, heavy goods, trains, planes so to highlight that as a possible problem is a little harsh....Fatigue testing on oem cables has greatly improved over the years as has the material composition of not only the outer but the inner core.
Price, yes I understand that some may feel it's a little high, but its actually less than buying the system as an accessory option on a brand new bike. Plus you can move the system onto potentially your next bike. I have owned used secondhand bikes for almost all of my motorcycle career, so I greatly value the option of being able to easily move the system onto my next bike. Owners of older BMW bikes are going to enjoy this option too.
Yes, looks, I agree they could look a little better, but as I mentioned in an earlier post to a comment the Weiser team needed to have a bigger PCB to mount the Osram LED'S so that the light output (angle of output) could be improved. The oem ones are quite poor, the Osram ones are if I remember this correctly 120 deg, which is then further enhanced by the outer lense taking the light spread out to approximately 180deg.
I cant say this enough, once you see the lights on your bike.... the output is quite incredible.
Hi SunnyCloud, I value your input and thoughts and feedback, for me its important that you and all subscribers can share your thoughts and concerns, so thankyou for taking the time to leave your long message / comment.
As too a v.2 in the future, I think it's more than likely....but quite some time away. Best wishes Carl and thank you again. I hope I didn't make to many spelling mistakes while replying on my phone. 😏
Hello Carl! Thanks for a interesting and professional presentation. You made me order a "full kit" for my brand new 2022 R12560GS Adv. After a few days kit arrived and it really looks good this far. Not installed yet, but soon to be.
Have to admit that I expected the install to be more of a "quick-swap-of-all-four-OEM-indicators" rather than going through the "pain" ;-) of removing the front fairing, especially the "scars generating procedure with the two hidden bolts"... Anyway I'm really looking forward to the end result, when letting this lights shine together with the Denali D7/B6 already installed.
Looking forward to your How-To-install-video and YOUR take on handling those tricky screws on each side ;-)
Stay safe! /D
Hi David good afternoon, I started today with next episode, had to remove everything and put it back to original which was sad, but tomorrow I will start filming the how too part and the installation itself. Mine is a GS so GSA might be very slightly different for the fairing mounts but I had no problems this morning returning everything to original.
Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Lucky u! 😅 Looking forward to your take on the procedure. Thanks in advance. You do not happen to have a Denali CanSmart on your GS...?!
Sadly no cansmart or ezCAN system. 😔
@@justthewayitis If you had, the Weiser relay could have been skipped... 😎 Good luck anyway.
👍
Hello Carl. Love the channel & especially this topic. I’m unable to get the 10% code from their site as that part of their website is unresponsive. I was able to register my details with them but that’s all. Also, I wasn’t offered the smoked glass option you mentioned & strange they want an international postage fee for something that’s made locally to me!
Hi Tony, the Tinted option is the default option, so that is what will come with your order, unless you leave a note with the order asking for clear. The UK went live today so its possible there might be the odd issue . If you have any doubts just send them an email and let them know. MARK the CEO from Weiser is aware and they will respond with your discount code. Just let me know how you get on. Best wishes Carl
Hi Tony, I've also just sent Weiser a message about the problem you have reported. Carl
@@justthewayitis Hello Carl. I just spoke to Mark @ Weiser Technik on the phone & he was extremely helpful. After a friendly chat about the product, he took my order over the phone as I’m not very good with computers. It seems that he, you & I all have identical bikes so he fully understood what I want & I told him what a great salesman you are for him! Keep up the good work 👌
Hello Tony, then all three of us have a good choice of bikes.... smile.
Best wishes Carl
Interesting, but....
I have a 2019 GSA and the centre rear lamp is side and brake. To enhance the brake lights I have a separate brake light powered by a hex ezcan. So far so good, but I would like a brake light function in my indicators (but no side lights). This does not appear to be configurable in the Weiser product? Or could I modify the 3 wire system to have a discrete brake light feed?
Also with the GSA as supplied with oem pannier racks, the mounting base of the rear oem indicators is extended rearwards by approx. 5cm. This does not appear to be available (but maybe is not a big deal).
I would be interested to see how you get on with your TüV inspection.....I have had major dramas in the past having LED bulbs behind a CE marked lens.
All the best from sunny Wiesbaden,
Nick
Hi Nick, first answer, the outer lense is the original bmw OEM unit that was used a few years ago. So i dont think there's going to be any issues with the lenses. But your other question is a good one.
I think it would be great if you sent Mark the CEO your question, they are very quick at responding and Mark would know for sure how to achieve what your looking for. Let me know how you get on and say hello from me. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, Thanks for your response: I sent the question in via the web contact page. All the best, Nick
Hi Nick, please report back once you get your reply. Have a nice evening. Carl
Hi Nick, I talked to the Weiser team about this your and other owners in Europe concerns, from what I can see it looks like it should be the same if not very slightly less (in total) than the UK price. Vat is paid here locally by you at the import stage. Have you received a reply from Weiser ?
Carl 👍
Hi Nick, I have asked your main questions about the side lights being set to Off... while keeping the extra brake lights.....internally with the Weiser team so we should here back soon.
The installation is simpler if you have an ezCAN, but as I currently do not have this setup I cant confirm. Perhaps over the coming months and after I have released the basic How To episode I will order and install the Hex system and try it myself. Carl
does self cancelling still work
Hi Ironwooly, yes self cancelling still works, as does all the other canbus controlled functions. Apart from the triple all at once function of Side+Brake+indicator.
Best wishes Carl
I ordered the 2023 R1250GS, which I should receive next spring. The adaptive headlight is not available at the moment, but I was told we will have the option to retrofit at cost price. Based on your previous video, I had the multifunction indicators removed from my configuration.
My new 5 week old gsa rallye te came with base halogen hlight. I got a voucher which states retrofit adaptive led hlight when available so all is good
Hi Mifili64, I can imagine your looking forward to spring and the arrival of your new bike. Well with the money saved from not having that option you can now add, what BMW probably should have made in the first place. Best wishes Carl
Hi Austin, good morning, then you have been very lucky. I hope your enjoying your new bike. Carl
@@justthewayitis your bike will come with the voucher pal. The voucher can be used for the headlight when available or if i was really stupid i could use it to buy motorrad goods up to a value of £500 when the adaptive headlight is more than £1000 second hand i dont think so my bike will get her headlight when available. Also i noticed my bike has no headlight overide button on lh switch gear told dealer and they will be fitting tbe correct switch gear as well
Hi Austin, thank you for replying. 👍
Great video Carl. I also have the 1250 GS (2022) with the smart indicator option, so I emailed Weiser to enquire about wiring these lights into my Denali Cansmart. They got back to me today to confirm that I can attach a pigtail lead from the Cansmart to provide the 12v, ignition switched line, so shouldn’t need to fit their relay harness to the battery and tap into any existing wiring, which will make the installation a lot cleaner.
I had considered buying the Denali T3 number plate mounted multi function indicator leds, but must admit the Weiser’s look a more aesthetically pleasing option. If it weren’t for this video, I wouldn’t have known about this alternative. I look forward to your planned installation video!
Thanks for all of your hard work in generating such well researched and informative content on your channel, it is very much appreciated.
Hi Mark, good morning and thank you for the compliment for the video and series, yes for those that already have a cansmart or equivalent it is a simpler install. More episodes to come, and I will be making the install video. Best Wishes Carl
I have also just contacted Weiser to as about connecting the lights to a CanSmart/EXCan. Same bike, same question! Mark Atkins responded positively, but I have asked if he will be producing a diagram to show how the connections would work, and whether the canbus software would then allow any extra control over the parameters of the lights. I have already installed Denali D4s and B6s connected to a CanSmart, and have also connected my Innovv K2 to the CanSmart by following instructions on A Bike Thing. But without clear instructions, I'm not clever enough to work this out for myself! 🤣😂🤣😂🥴
@@petersydney5895 Will be interested in his response. I thought in this instance that the cansmart would just provide the switched 12v line and the behaviour of the indicators would be controlled via their multi pin connections to the bike’s existing wiring. If it were possible to use the cansmart to control additional functionality, ie operating like the denali t3’s then fantastic, but would be surprised.
Hi Peter, you have a lot going on with your light and bike setup. Sounds interesting though👍, Carl
I'm sure Mark A will reply with all the information you need to get it set up correctly. 👍
Thanks for the video Carl. I have an R1250RS, so the signals are lower on the fairing vs the GS. Do you think these are bright enough to give the lighting triangle effect?
Hi Paul, it's an interesting thing you ask. Because once they were installed, I actually thought hey !!! These have an added benefit of almost being as good as a set of aux front lights. Sure, they are never going to work like spotlights, but in terms of visibility of the bike... they certainly make an impression. I thought about talking about this extra benefit in the video, but decided I was already very positive about the lights so did not want to "overdo it" so to speak. So, I kept quiet... but now you and others can see for yourselves the extra benefit. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis Thanks Carl. I actually already have the Cyclops version of these on my bike. US bikes have incandescent bulbs so those were an improvement, but I wish they were brighter so I'm going to try these. The RS has the signals further away from the headlights, so hopefully they'll be more effective for the lighting triangle. I've thought about putting aux lights on the bike, but somehow they don't quite look right on an RS.
Luckily I've already done all the wiring. I'm running the DRL and brake light function through a Hex EZCan which means I can make the brake lights blink a few times on application and the front DRLs will pulse if I hit the horn.
I'll try to remember to follow up once installed.
Hi Paul, yes do come back and let me and everyone know what you think. Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis I received a set of Weiser's signals and did a test install on one side. In summary, I think they're a better product overall than the Cyclops, but they aren't going to work for me for two reasons. One is that the rears would require me to run an extra wire over what I already have. The Cyclops only required one extra wire, going to the ezCan, to handle the brake and rear running light functions. The Weiser product requires two which would mean I have to tear in the bike again to install that.
On the front, they were a direct replacement with no additional wire required. Also, in both cases they're brighter than the Cyclops, but not by enough to do what I need. For the front, I really want the lighting triangle effect and I'm going to have to add actual aux lights for that.
So, in summary, if I were starting from scratch, I'd go with the Weisers.
Hi Paul, I'm not sure of your geographical location, but Weiser have two hotlines you can call, one for North America and one for UK and Europe. Perhaps give the team a call as I dont have the ezCAN system so can't comment, but the Wieser team have done this and helped several owners with that setup. They are a friendly team and I'm sure they can advise you. Best wishes Carl
Hi Carl, thank you for the video on the multifunction indicators. I have had the same concerns as you with my 2021 GS and was told that there was no solution to this problem. I have received my discount code, thanks to yourself and have just purchased the front and rear sets. Would really look forward to a video of you fitting them to your GS if you decide to make one.
Thanks again,
Martin .
Hi Martin, good evening, thank you, yes install episode will follow, but they are fairly straightforward to install. The US kits are different from the UK/EU kits but it's not a big change. Have a good weekend Carl
@@justthewayitis Thanks Carl.👍
No problem 👍
Same here, would love to watch an install video . Quick question : replacing the oem lights with the Weiser, will it void the BMW warranty?
Hello and welcome Chabane, I don't think so as many many bmw dealers in North America have been installing these kits on hundreds of bikes. You could just send an email to the helpful
Weiser and ask. Carl
Great video. Thrilled by these lights. Just ordered the full set tonight for my 22 GS. Excited to get the on the bike. Was going to grab the discount but figured I’d just support the company.
Hi BigDog, and welcome to the channel. 👍 enjoy your lights... Carl
Rich fella! 💸🤣
@ Ha. if only. But to own a BMW is to enjoy. Lots of years saving for the best. 🙂
The last new bike I bought was in 1990, so lots of hard saving is the only way. Carl
The FIRST new bike I bought was in Sept 2022 💸💸💸😅
Great video Carl, been looking forward to this one as like you I really dislike the BMW system and think it is dangerous. I have already had the front amber DRL's disabled by BMW but have been unable to find a solution for the rear up till now. Do you know if I would need to get BMW to re-instate the DRL function at the front in order for the Weiser Technik lights to have full functionality?
Hi TSport, good question I will send that question to the Weiser team and report back. But I think the answer will be yes it will need activating. I will let you know. Carl
Hi, I'm wrong, they can do it with a different version and I think you will get a reply from Weiser soon, I presume you sent them an email. Let me know
Best wishes Carl
@@justthewayitis yes I've messaged them. Will let you know what they say.
Great, 👍
@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, I've spoken to Mark at Weiser Teknik and he's given me an update on what I need to do. My understanding from what he said is that if I want front only I need to either re-activate the BMW DRL's or order a different part number from Weiser. If I want all round (as I do) I just order the original part number for the bike and will get full functionality without having the DRL's switched back on. Cheers, Jim
Karl, Another excellent video and commentary. I'm getting a GSA early next year, when I did the configerator a few months ago, multifunction indicators were 'optional'. when I did the configerator this week they were 'standard' with no option so I'm more than pleased that you did the work, research and got this option - it will be the first thing I change on the bike if there is no option with BMW. Keep the videos coming and Thank You for your efforts.
Regards,
Martin
Hi Martin, good evening and thank you for the feedback. I hope you enjoy your beautiful new GS when she arrives . Which colour did you order ?
@@justthewayitis Colour???, I keep changing my mind. Going to dealer this week end to have another look at 'options' - will keep you posted 👍
So, which colour did you order Martin ?
@@justthewayitis Karl, it's going to be GSA, Triple Black, Gold wheels, Factory lowered suspension. Just laid new tiled floor in garage, will order Abba lifter from Steve at 'A Bike Thing', shopping list of parts prepared for order from Nippy Normans and will fit the indicators as you have with everything else before it goes on the road. will keep you posted.
Kind Regardfs,
Martin
Carl, Apology for spelling error . . .
Hey carl slightly off topic question, great vid, but when watching your section of rear, i saw what looked like the rear main lens glowing as a side light . maybe just the camera angle but if true , also interested in how to make rear centre main lens show as side light with indicators.
Hi Bully, it's just a reflection. When the side light is ON the rear main lenses has no lights working inside. Its actually one of the things I've asked Weiser Technik to find or provide a solution for. Ps.... the North American bikes still have side light / taillights active inside the main lense. The DOT refused to allow BMW to remove it.
Carl
@@justthewayitis the original rear light configuration in Europe was same as US and the indicators are 2 wire only.
Hi Nick, the Weiser team are looking at this to see if something can be done to use the current rear light. But also they are looking to manufacture a small unit that mounts above the number plate to give us an extra option. I will let you know how they get on testing the current rear light for possible options. Carl
Thanks Carl for the feedback and good to see options are out there . However on checking price (wow) for essentially 4 indicators think l will pass this time. Keep up the good work though 👍🏼
Hi Bully, I understand these might not be the option for everyone, I looked at everything I could find currently on the market and after a fair amount of research decided these offer a lot of flexibility and set up options and they can be moved onto the next bike if required. Currently trying to set up something with Pirelli with regards to tyre options for the GS and GSA.. more to come in later episodes. Best wishes Carl