I am with you on that. Also, something about having a scientific reason to the shape of the aptera. Makes me feel like it is the way it is because it needs to be. Other vehicles are styled for looks which can go out of style in a few years.
Aptera continues to be the game changer. Efficiency is the philosophy, the gains come as a result of this approach, including aesthetics and performance. This other vehicle starts with performance goals and sports aesthetics and tries to catch up on efficiency. More of the same OEM approach that has plaged the industry forever. Hands down, Aptera! Slow and steady wins the design race… 🙌🏽 ☀️
Thanks for putting this together. 3 main flaws of the Spiritus: No storage, worse safety, and RWD (single wheel) means winter usage is completely out. PS: The Electric Viking did a 2nd video on the crypto angle and basically every comment is slamming this feature as stupid and flawed
yeah the crypto mining is just silly and ridiculous. It's like having a microwave with crypto mining. crypto mining itself is very energy intensive and terrible for the environment, why on earth would anyone want to promote it?
@@ApteraOwnersClub Crypto mining is viewed as the future and a way to reduce the power of governments. The flaws are many including environmental, diversion of good engineers, support of organized crime and fees far too high for a functioning currency. While fiat currencies are secured by governments current crypto uses wasted power (approximately on par with Sweden for bitcoin alone). Many even in the crypto community many don't want proof of stake since that is centralization but wasting countries worth of power usage is insane. The technology still needs work before it can have processing times and fees low enough to be used as a real currency - unit then its a high risk way of holding money. Either way energy intensive operations which require specialized computing equipment have no business being on a moving vehicle. PS: I stopped crypto mining 2 years ago (gpu during cold months only) and am now running folding at home instead; better to do something useful than make $1 per day before factoring in power.
agree with everything you said. I think once the technical hurdles of using proof of work and other energy intensive methods are overcome and the energy overhead of crypto is drastically lowered, there are definitely advantages to crypto over other forms of currency but as it is currently, i personally can't support it.
There is only one potential use for mobile mining and that is consumption of electricity to avoid excess full storage when fully charged and plugged to the solar charger with full mega packs someplace off grid which also has internet. But at such a low volume where its mobile and the cooling isnt even designed for it cannot have any significant performance.
That someone's application of some technology may be flawed doesn't mean the technology itself is flawed. As of today about 56% or more of Bitcoin mining is done with renewable clean energy. This is in contrast to many energy guzzling, and CO2 emitting, industrial and economic activities of our modern society. But unfortunately FUDs, as served by libelous controlled media, and abject ignorance, will always be the fate of those who are too lazy to do their own research. At least we can limit the discussion here to the vehicle and stop straying into areas we have little or no knowledge of.
All these products are interesting. It's good you feature them in these videos. They only go to show that Aptera is yet unchallengeable. I feel proud I am an Aptera reservation holder.
Thank you for this video. It's nice to see other cars come to market. But I think this was meant mainly to be a fun-mobile. The way that it is shaped is the opposite to the Aptera. As such, one of the reasons this vehicle gets 1/2 the battery mileage is because it is a giant wind-catcher. It does not seem to be really based on 1st principles, but more out of ease of construction and also bases itself on legacy perceptions of aesthetics, more so than aerodynamics. It's less expensive, but not sufficiently, and that's by a long-shot, for me to consider it over an Aptera. But given it's much lower complexity and capability, if they were to perfect their manufacturing process they would likely be able also to further reduce its MSRP by another $4K, at least. As such, then it might acquire a market of its own that would be in a different category than the Aptera. It is disadvantaged though due to the fact that Aptera will be first to market.
Besides the lack of trunk space it doesn’t seem nearly as safe as the Aptera. I’ve driven my friends slingshot and yes it is fun but we did drive through a thunderstorm and this one had the partial roof option on it but still we stopped and put on rain coats and already had on helmets. I think of Aptera as the Tesla of the 3 Wheel space. Way ahead of the others.
Yes I invested in Aptera but I wish they could reduce the width of the well base but it's probably too late now . The Apteras wheel base is 88 inches my full size Ram Van is only 80 inches .
Their starting market is in the US so roads can handle it; the currrent design is likely locked in for details like basic width. They would need to narrow the body (ie no center console), bring the wheel pods closer (worse aerodynamics) or make the pods functionally retract as low speed (complex - see trigo). I suspect they will eventually try to narrow it in a 2nd model or 3rd model by eliminating the center console and taking some aeroydynamic hit. The reason I say 2nd or 3rd is that a 2 row seating version (either 3 wheel or 4) will likely be the next focus. Completely lacking a distribution and repair network I think they will want to be a little conservative about how thing progress from the initial model.
You can place an order for an european version of the Aptera. That one will be narrower but will likely not be available but until the year later in 2023.
The battery at the front of the vehicle isn't as bad of an idea. In a three wheeler you want the center of gravity, not just low, but more towards the front where the two spread out wheels are. This is more of a sporty three wheeler than a commuter. I would say it competes with the Vanderhall and the Slingshot. Only thing I'm not sure about the solvency of the company. Good luck to them.
I'd say both concepts do about the same thing but the Aptera has so much better aerodynamics. That's why I prefer the Aptera. Since neither one has even 50% chance of ever coming to market I may ultimately have to build my own XR3, see here: th-cam.com/video/SFRIITOw2Gg/w-d-xo.html
I didn't realize this video was a year old. All I really wanted to say is that while this autocycle is narrower than the Aptera, it doesn't have the fairings over the wheels, and so they don't need that room between the wheels and the nose. The wider stance makes the Aptera more stable in the corners, even though you might hit some curbs. 😂 I'd be afraid if you hit the brakes the rear wheel would rise up. I would also recommend they put solar panels on that long flat nose. The few panels they have don't cover a lot of space, and point backwards. I realize they are going for looks, but they could get 15 miles per day or even 20 with more coverage.
I have been a commuter cyclist for over 25 years and if it wasn't for Aptera I would have continued with that lifestyle. And I also will use the Aptera to transport my bike and take road trips.
I've been a commuter cyclist for 14 years. hats off to you sir! I plan on being a commuter cyclists until I physically can't. The Aptera will be a weekend day trip vehicle and also my wife's vehicle during the week.
@@onebigtentdweller9603 Aptera has decided as of this morning to pull out of attendance at CES, as have many other companies. I think any CES at all could be in doubt at this point.
Being a Canadian, I wonder if those low wheel covers of Aptera (i understand that it is to reduce the drag) will make it get stuck in the snow. I can see it plowing in the snow. Any thoughts anyone?
I know they offer an "off-road kit", but I'm not too sure how much additional clearance that would give you. However it says on the website that the wheel covers are made tougher.
The Aptera is being made with colder weather countries in mind, so I can only assume they have a solution for snowy roads, or at least have factored that into their equation.
I've been wondering the same thing. I live in NYC and you can get plowed in easily. I also wonder about the exposed suspension and snow build up in there and getting it out.
Aptera all the way because it's more of a solar electric vehicle, available in AWD, tons of storage, extremely aero-efficient, designed by a US company and made in USA. Plus, Aptera had more refined design and engineering; not just slap parts together and called it a product. Go Aptera!
The width of the Aptera is the only drawback that I see. I’d much rather see it come in about 80 inches wide or even less. I understand the aerodynamic squish zone between the wheels and the body requiring the wheels to be pushed out farther to improve efficiency.
i wish one of this were gas and way cheaper. the aptera gas model to me because of how far on a gallon it was said to have gone. it would of been a choice choice.
I like that it is narrower since I live in the country but that is the only think I like about it. I'm worried about the width but I'd take an Aptera because I think it's a much better choice.
I'm still impressed with the Aptera's style and range. I'm not that big of a fan of the "looks like a car from the front". If you're going for something different, go all in. :)
You read my mind in coming out with a Daymak Spiritus/Aptera comparison. They have been promising this model for a long while now, but with the prototype model built, and a battery supplier alliance, and initial funding secured, it looks like it may finally be built in 2023. I also wonder why there is still another year before they are planning on showing a second prototype, especially with the relatively simple design and engineering. There were many different versions and specs of this model shown before, and it still is uncertain if has dual front Elaphe motors (prototype), or more likely one bigger rear Elaphe motor (specs-L1500?). One 75kW motor out back would match the slower 0-60 time, given the light weight and smaller size. The super high performance model seems unrealistic on many levels. Essentially it's similar to the 25kWh/AWD Aptera in power, and a bit lighter with a carbon fiber body, but nothing explains the 1.8 sec estimated 0-60 time, especially with an 80kWh battery. Or the $150K price! The regular battery pack is supposed to be LFP, which is cheaper but it has less energy density, so it is larger and heavier for a given power capability. I also like this Spiritus better than the Solo or Archimoto, but it falls short from the Aptera in range, efficiency, performance value, and solar capability. Still, it's close enough to the Aptera (if it gets built) to be realistically compared. And for certain city areas where the 9" narrower width makes a difference, it could be a better fit (literally) for those buyers. Thanks for the nice coverage as usual.
Wait, if it's low to the ground (as in how low compared to Tesla and other Evs) how close is the battery pack to the HOT road. Remember the first year the Nissan Leaf came out and the battery pack was not protected from the heat of the road --- well it wasn't good on the battery. So what is the protection for the battery pack.
I looked at the site closely and no vehicle of any kind has been delivered so far. The manufacturer is called AVVENIR and Daymak is only a distributor. Vaporware for me at this point. I hope I'm wrong but for me, it's doubtful there is real intention to produce this thing in mass.
Yup. The manufacturer has no experience with high end electric vehicles. The details are kinda wrong. Huge (&heavy) battery, heavy frame, high energy consumption, >2m wide, no trunk whatsoever, tires with huge rolling resistance, crypto-mining gimmick (wtf?). There are cars that are lighter than this bike. If you design such a bike/car, there needs to be some kind of bonus. Like the Aptera, which ist extremely power-efficient. I think Aptera sacrificed too much for the last percent of efficiency and at the same time failed to implement their concept to the fullest by sticking unnecessarily to established solutions. Still, their concept ist stringent. The Spiritus‘ concept is not.
These are both great, Where Are They? I cut out a magazine Pic and story about the Aptera like 10 years ago so WHERE IS IT? Both are great dreams but right now until I see one on the road both are BS I do own however a Daymak EM 2 and it's great and great looking and it's actually real I have it but both of these cars are just great Screensaver so let's see which one shows up first!!
I see where you're coming from, but then the Aptera wouldn't be the Aptera, what it lacks in style it makes up for in functionality. The Aptera is more aerodynamic due to its design. Aptera is the product of what you get when you take away what a conventional look of a vehicle. It is the work of functionality and science over form. In order to get the range that it has, they had to lower the drag coefficient change how it might look and the way the solar cells are arranged coupled with the ability to take in good amounts of solar energy even when damage sets it apart. So, in the end you get something that looks different.
Available and legal to drive in Canada (at least I hope so since its made in Ontario). Aptera status in Canada still unknown. This alone may be the reason I will be driving a Spiritus...
I will be super surprised if this thing can get to market at all let alone in anything approaching large numbers. It is stupifyingly difficult (and expensive!) to go from prototype to viable production on any kind of vehicle. Even the Aptera is not 100% likely to get to that point, though it is far more likely than the Spiritus in my opinion. The Alpha Ace and Wolf (two very cool EV vaporwares right now) have, I would say, about a 10-20% chance of making it. And that's a shame too because the Ace and Wolf are two of the most interesting looking vehicles of any kind I've seen in a while. I wish them all the best of luck though.
You are absolutely correct once past your negativity! I'm sure these two companies have been working on their scalability. It was also stupefying (100yrs ago) how VW, Fiat, Ford and all the rest could give life to a dream. Do you know anything about manufacturing processes in 2022? well lets just start here.....There is a machine about the size of a large fridge (US Company) that is basically, a 3D printer utilizing a variety of selectable metals/alloys to produce ANYTHING! right there you've just eliminated a mold, iron/metal foundry and the smelter process, while reducing the dependence on Chinese manufacturing. This is 2022....get with it JustWasted, companies like Daymak have access to 10's of $MM with pipelines to 100's of $MM to up scale, its called having a solid business plan which includes developing financial resources. I have seen and driven the Spiritus, it appeals to a different market than the Aptera, its like comparing a Prius to a Lexus! Aptera has its place though and I wish them all the luck.
@@courtneybrown4782 I wish all of these startups the best of luck. I'm just pointing out that, as Elon Musk put it, making a prototype that works is hard but getting to the point where you're building thousands of them that are reliable and cost effective is exponentially harder. Even Tesla, the most valuable car company in the world right now, has issues scaling up production, and they have access to 10s or 100s of $BB.
@danlini9009 I do, but the Aptera is way, Way, WAY more far along in development than the Elio ever got. That's not to say that Aptera is totally smooth sailing from here on out. There is still a huge amount of work to be done to get this to market, but with Sandy Munro on their side and their openness during its entire development, I'm confident it will see the light of day.
Honestly I'm hoping someone takes the Radical RCX platform and sells it as a limited production street car. And yes the Radical can actually be registered in California as a street legal car. An all electric version of it would also be legal as the motor passes CA CARB.
This company is in Canada, and our top speed for non-licensed vehicles is 32km\hr max (at least in Ontario) They build most of their vehicles for law abiding citizens.. (Yes you can mod these, but to sell them they have to pass legal requirements)
The photo at 4:20 where is shows the swing arm, it has the exact type Aptera started with, but dumped due to poor ride quality. And given the narrow track for the 3 wheels, will be much less stable as well. This is just a 3-wheel motorcycle, while the Aptera is a 3-wheel car. All the safety concerns people have that Chris and Steve address, are a definite risk in this thing.
I've looked at both, but why do they insist on them being 3 wheeler ? Why don't they just add another one and make it look like a proper car more or less....
The company seems to be focus on to many things electric, it would be best to focus on the vehicle so it could go to market with less defects, aptera is a well thought concept which I think would be a better choice
The exhaust is tail lights to look like exhaust, it also has a crypto mining machine in it, so that is what makes it utilize a bit more battery power. This doesn't seem like a good nonbiased comparison and the battery is low in the front to keep weight on the front end to keep weight on the front end.
Feels like someone is trying to ride on the coattails of Aptera. Aptera overall really feels like a much much much better designed vehicle. The Spiritus managed to make a little three-wheeler wih a coefficient of drag of 0.3 which is pretty much as bad as a large brick of an suv given how much less "car" you are getting and that to me is completely hilarious. The spiritus is form over function, the aptera is function over form, and that to me is much more useful in the grand scheme of things and very refreshing.
Ooof… yeah, glad I’m on the Aptera train. I prefer the grand touring end over the city/track practicalities. That has a Lamborghini like front end, the aesthetics are wonderful, but the clearance and other stats fall flat to me.
The Spiritus just a concept at this point I really think that they are closely monitoring Aptera. Hence why they included the solar panel. That being said instead of offering storage or practicality they're just going for a gimmicky features like crypto mining, and supposed flying vehicle. Instead of going for more common sense items like extended range.
Love the exterior design, sporty and aggressive but not practical enough since it has no storage and it is too low. I love the looks. The Aptera on the other hand looks more promising except solar panels generate some unhealthy amounts of radiation and I wouldn't like to have them overhead on that or any vehicle.
10:10. I seriously doubt this thing handles well, and certainly not as well as the Aptera. The Aptera not only has a lower center of gravity, it has a wider wheel base, and it has more centralized mass (which is going to improve its yaw moment). The Spiritus having all those batteries up front is going to make the vehicle nose heavy, which will cause it to push through turns. On top of that, having the narrower wheel base, combined with a tall battery stack, is going to undermine vehicle stability at the limit. I would absolutely go with an Aptera, even a base model, over this thing. Just for driving fun. That's before even talking about how much more practical the Aptera is.
Those doors look like they would hit the cars next to you if you were parking...that would be pretty annoying. It looks cool, but no trunk space is another deal killer for me. One rear wheel drive doesn't sound great for winter. I don't like how wide Aptera's front wheels are nor how low they are to the ground, I wonder how it would work in a few inches of snow. I do love the efficiency angle and the trunk space as well as the solar. For me 90% of the time, solar would get me where I was going and back (except during some parts of winter). Personally, I'm going to wait a few years before buying an EV, a used future EV will likely be better and cheaper than current EV's.
thanks for the video! I think that the crash tests are going to be the key differentiator for a lot of customers. How about Hyundai 5 & 7? Those are pretty impressive. I think Aptera has more in common with the hyundai 5 than the other 3 wheelers on the market.
I like how startups are pricing their vehicles a few thousand less than established companies with a much larger range of products while at the same time using a traditionally more expensive drivetrain. How does this magic work?
@biblereader Polaris Slingshot starts at $1k more and has a multitude of manufacturing savings and dealer benefits. Realistically you need to add at least $10k to the base model.
It’ll never make it between Elpaso Texas and San Antonio or even Fort Stockton see that’s the thing they put these little tiny ranges in them and they think that we’re going to use them they forget a lot
Why show this picture, show the picture shown on the UTube first picture. This car is really good and looks like to have a better chance of getting into production and being bought than the Aptera and looks more sensible and simpler. Also would be much better to operate in the cold country where it will be built. Go for this one guys if u want a more useful car.
The Daymak has about the same highway speed efficiency as a Zero electric motorcycle (with terrible motorcycle aerodynamics), which is a missed opportunity. Even some cheap plastic fairings could probably improve the aerodynamics.
There’s no comparison between these two. The Daymak looks cool, but it has nothing going for it other than exterior styling. Also, the exhaust looking cosmetics are the taillights.
Ironically, a "Commuter Vehicle" needs to place the driver up HIGH, where they can see the traffic and lanes around them. Seems the Designers should know this I traded a Porsche for a 4Runner to deal with LA traffic. Being in a low sports car, you can only see 1-2 car-distances around you. The 4Runner "performed" better, giving visibility, which means getting through traffic more efficiently Los Angeles; 6 lanes packed with cars, at 25mph average requires a very different design, which EVs should do very well. On a 40 mile commute which takes 1.5hrs... solar charging starts to make sense, even. And yes, I did quit that and sail oceans now; problem solved
Aptera comes with solar charging it’s a base feature their base model has no solar charge for 25k then solar/other features for 125k‼️ quite a jump lol😅
@@davidclark538 It's hard to believe its carbon fiber and it looks like its build more for fooling around than driving. The further out wheels in Aptera I would assume are more stable. Just my guess.
@@davidclark538 Aptera has safety built into the design from the beginning and includes front and rear crumple zones, air bags, and an F1 style passenger safety cage. It will be crash tested to automotive crash test standards and the ratings published before shipping.
The Spiritus looks super cool, almost like a small muscle car, interior looks super nice. buttttt that’s about it. The Aptera beats it in almost every way, more space, further mileage, seems more safe and I mean come on you can get all the features for a fraction of the cost. Aptera maxes out at around 55k while for the same features this one will cost almost 150k
This video is a useful introduction to the Daymak, but this thing is nowhere in the same league as Aptera. They share a basic formfactor but the Aptera is leagues ahead in almost every conceivable aspect of design and manufacturing. The Aptera is a vehicle and the Daymak is a very expensive toy. The off-the-shelf battery design of the Daymak is enough to tell you that. Its even situated in the most vulnerable spot on the vehicle. Also, I honestly don't see a use case for it with the Aptera starting at under $26k.
It is unreal in the data of the car weight: considering things like the slingshot and morgan 3 wheeler are heavier and smaller that this is a pretty positive considering this is a BEV abd even the 36kW pack would weight at least 100kg (220lb) in the case of the top trimhow you make a 600kg vehicle where the battery weights half of it. You could make it but at a cost of safety also things like a BAC mono made from composites and being more from air weights 1300lb Acceleration: on the top trim you will need something like 400kW but more important wide and sticky wheels Aero: from the same design obtaining .29 (possible) and .13 cx from similar designs is impossible considering the aptera has to have wheel covers and no vents to archive this. This product is a vaporwave/sham or clearly made by someone who hasn’t real engineering backround or has but no industrial knowledge to put it on production, also is this the same brand that put a whole range of e movility but hast put any actual model on display?
LOVE Aptera's economy but it is totally not drivable on REAL roads in the USA. I live in the country, and I guarantee anyone that the Aptera would be missing panels, wheel hoods etc after a week of driving. I LOVE the LOOK of the Daymak and might stand a better chance to stay in one piece driving the average pothole roads of the USA but less distance per charge. Can't anyone make a best of both? LOL!.
Are any of them even real? Everything on that website looks like an ID student's senior project with collections of their student work in one imaginary company website with renderings and photos of 3D printed models. And how can the inexplicably 6x more expensive version have much lower cd with essentially the same body and weigh less with more motors and bigger battery unless it's a completely different vehicle that isn't shown and bizarrely has the same model name? Also love the not-an-investment-scam-and-we're-totally-NOT-a-startup-because-the-founder-has-been-tinkering-with-ebikes-for-decades-oh-hey-Crypto!-did-you-see-that-totally-cool-disruptor-buzzword?-invest-and-get-a-branded-jacket-and-that's-not-all-if-you-act-now-you'll-also-get-these-commemorative-plates! garbage verbiage on the website. I'd likely see more from a Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes (if that still exists).
The best of 2023 will be the: 1-Aptera-26000$ 2-Verge TS hubless motorbike-24999$ 3-Daymak Spiritus-22000$ With 50k we can get an Aptera and a Verge TS bike.
Thanks for always keeping your eye on the competition and sharing with us! It's great to track the emergence of this industry.
I'd stick with Aptera for the room the miles per kilowatt hr and the rite to repair and and becase there just good looking 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am with you on that. Also, something about having a scientific reason to the shape of the aptera. Makes me feel like it is the way it is because it needs to be. Other vehicles are styled for looks which can go out of style in a few years.
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Aptera continues to be the game changer. Efficiency is the philosophy, the gains come as a result of this approach, including aesthetics and performance. This other vehicle starts with performance goals and sports aesthetics and tries to catch up on efficiency. More of the same OEM approach that has plaged the industry forever.
Hands down, Aptera! Slow and steady wins the design race… 🙌🏽 ☀️
Thanks for putting this together. 3 main flaws of the Spiritus: No storage, worse safety, and RWD (single wheel) means winter usage is completely out. PS: The Electric Viking did a 2nd video on the crypto angle and basically every comment is slamming this feature as stupid and flawed
yeah the crypto mining is just silly and ridiculous. It's like having a microwave with crypto mining. crypto mining itself is very energy intensive and terrible for the environment, why on earth would anyone want to promote it?
@@ApteraOwnersClub Crypto mining is viewed as the future and a way to reduce the power of governments. The flaws are many including environmental, diversion of good engineers, support of organized crime and fees far too high for a functioning currency. While fiat currencies are secured by governments current crypto uses wasted power (approximately on par with Sweden for bitcoin alone). Many even in the crypto community many don't want proof of stake since that is centralization but wasting countries worth of power usage is insane. The technology still needs work before it can have processing times and fees low enough to be used as a real currency - unit then its a high risk way of holding money. Either way energy intensive operations which require specialized computing equipment have no business being on a moving vehicle. PS: I stopped crypto mining 2 years ago (gpu during cold months only) and am now running folding at home instead; better to do something useful than make $1 per day before factoring in power.
agree with everything you said. I think once the technical hurdles of using proof of work and other energy intensive methods are overcome and the energy overhead of crypto is drastically lowered, there are definitely advantages to crypto over other forms of currency but as it is currently, i personally can't support it.
There is only one potential use for mobile mining and that is consumption of electricity to avoid excess full storage when fully charged and plugged to the solar charger with full mega packs someplace off grid which also has internet. But at such a low volume where its mobile and the cooling isnt even designed for it cannot have any significant performance.
That someone's application of some technology may be flawed doesn't mean the technology itself is flawed. As of today about 56% or more of Bitcoin mining is done with renewable clean energy. This is in contrast to many energy guzzling, and CO2 emitting, industrial and economic activities of our modern society. But unfortunately FUDs, as served by libelous controlled media, and abject ignorance, will always be the fate of those who are too lazy to do their own research. At least we can limit the discussion here to the vehicle and stop straying into areas we have little or no knowledge of.
All these products are interesting. It's good you feature them in these videos. They only go to show that Aptera is yet unchallengeable. I feel proud I am an Aptera reservation holder.
Thank you for this video. It's nice to see other cars come to market. But I think this was meant mainly to be a fun-mobile. The way that it is shaped is the opposite to the Aptera. As such, one of the reasons this vehicle gets 1/2 the battery mileage is because it is a giant wind-catcher. It does not seem to be really based on 1st principles, but more out of ease of construction and also bases itself on legacy perceptions of aesthetics, more so than aerodynamics. It's less expensive, but not sufficiently, and that's by a long-shot, for me to consider it over an Aptera.
But given it's much lower complexity and capability, if they were to perfect their manufacturing process they would likely be able also to further reduce its MSRP by another $4K, at least. As such, then it might acquire a market of its own that would be in a different category than the Aptera. It is disadvantaged though due to the fact that Aptera will be first to market.
Not bad but too low to the ground and no storage space, plus the Aptera is far more efficient and well thought out. Aptera wins hands down.
Y adónde viste un auto deportivo con diseño alto y espacios grandes??? Eso no existe en el mundo del diseño deportivo
In the current world with OPEC Pushing US and people trading in other currency, Apterra should be the new standard to remove gas reliance
They are a toy. Have you driven a three wheel vehicle? You hit every pothole and roadkill.
@@Mich37-b4n Aptera wins regardless. Go USA!
The owner of the company doing the unveiling of the Spiritus reminded me of a cross between Phil Swift and the My Pillow guy. 😀
lol I see that :P
I would like to see this do the moose test i think it was called.with all of the weight in the front it would handle terribly in the backend.
Besides the lack of trunk space it doesn’t seem nearly as safe as the Aptera.
I’ve driven my friends slingshot and yes it is fun but we did drive through a thunderstorm and this one had the partial roof option on it but still we stopped and put on rain coats and already had on helmets. I think of Aptera as the Tesla of the 3 Wheel space. Way ahead of the others.
Yes I invested in Aptera but I wish they could reduce the width of the well base but it's probably too late now . The Apteras wheel base is 88 inches my full size Ram Van is only 80 inches .
yes the track width is an issue for some people and some use cases for sure.
Their starting market is in the US so roads can handle it; the currrent design is likely locked in for details like basic width. They would need to narrow the body (ie no center console), bring the wheel pods closer (worse aerodynamics) or make the pods functionally retract as low speed (complex - see trigo). I suspect they will eventually try to narrow it in a 2nd model or 3rd model by eliminating the center console and taking some aeroydynamic hit. The reason I say 2nd or 3rd is that a 2 row seating version (either 3 wheel or 4) will likely be the next focus. Completely lacking a distribution and repair network I think they will want to be a little conservative about how thing progress from the initial model.
@@ccibinel thank you.
They could also push the front axle forwards to allow for a narrower wheel track or even bring the wheels into the bodyline with flexi spats.
You can place an order for an european version of the Aptera. That one will be narrower but will likely not be available but until the year later in 2023.
The battery at the front of the vehicle isn't as bad of an idea. In a three wheeler you want the center of gravity, not just low, but more towards the front where the two spread out wheels are. This is more of a sporty three wheeler than a commuter. I would say it competes with the Vanderhall and the Slingshot. Only thing I'm not sure about the solvency of the company. Good luck to them.
I would say the Spiritus is for this who prefer form over function & Aptera is for those who care more about function.
I think you hit the nail on the head
I'd say both concepts do about the same thing but the Aptera has so much better aerodynamics. That's why I prefer the Aptera.
Since neither one has even 50% chance of ever coming to market I may ultimately have to build my own XR3, see here: th-cam.com/video/SFRIITOw2Gg/w-d-xo.html
@@Grunchy005 I think the Aptera will get to market 👍🏼
Right, totally different Target audience.
I didn't realize this video was a year old. All I really wanted to say is that while this autocycle is narrower than the Aptera, it doesn't have the fairings over the wheels, and so they don't need that room between the wheels and the nose. The wider stance makes the Aptera more stable in the corners, even though you might hit some curbs. 😂
I'd be afraid if you hit the brakes the rear wheel would rise up.
I would also recommend they put solar panels on that long flat nose. The few panels they have don't cover a lot of space, and point backwards. I realize they are going for looks, but they could get 15 miles per day or even 20 with more coverage.
I have been a commuter cyclist for over 25 years and if it wasn't for Aptera I would have continued with that lifestyle. And I also will use the Aptera to transport my bike and take road trips.
I've been a commuter cyclist for 14 years. hats off to you sir! I plan on being a commuter cyclists until I physically can't. The Aptera will be a weekend day trip vehicle and also my wife's vehicle during the week.
@@ApteraOwnersClub I plan to check them out in Las Vegas next week as I will already be there for CES.
@@onebigtentdweller9603 Aptera has decided as of this morning to pull out of attendance at CES, as have many other companies. I think any CES at all could be in doubt at this point.
how do you commute cycle in bad weather?
I see on their website that Gabriel Iosif that was Aptera's project manager engineer has joined Daymak as their mechanical design engineer.
Being a Canadian, I wonder if those low wheel covers of Aptera (i understand that it is to reduce the drag) will make it get stuck in the snow. I can see it plowing in the snow. Any thoughts anyone?
I know they offer an "off-road kit", but I'm not too sure how much additional clearance that would give you.
However it says on the website that the wheel covers are made tougher.
The Aptera is being made with colder weather countries in mind, so I can only assume they have a solution for snowy roads, or at least have factored that into their equation.
I've been wondering the same thing. I live in NYC and you can get plowed in easily. I also wonder about the exposed suspension and snow build up in there and getting it out.
@@kamenwaticlients to be on the safe side, i ordered an off roader version with full solar/ all wheel drive/ 60 kwh batteries.
How about head on collision with a Mack truck. Who would come out on the top ? Should I increase my life insurance before I buy this one?
Aptera all the way because it's more of a solar electric vehicle, available in AWD, tons of storage, extremely aero-efficient, designed by a US company and made in USA. Plus, Aptera had more refined design and engineering; not just slap parts together and called it a product. Go Aptera!
The width of the Aptera is the only drawback that I see. I’d much rather see it come in about 80 inches wide or even less. I understand the aerodynamic squish zone between the wheels and the body requiring the wheels to be pushed out farther to improve efficiency.
I don't think they have any products delivered yet.
i wish one of this were gas and way cheaper. the aptera gas model to me because of how far on a gallon it was said to have gone. it would of been a choice choice.
I like that it is narrower since I live in the country but that is the only think I like about it. I'm worried about the width but I'd take an Aptera because I think it's a much better choice.
I'm still impressed with the Aptera's style and range. I'm not that big of a fan of the "looks like a car from the front". If you're going for something different, go all in. :)
You read my mind in coming out with a Daymak Spiritus/Aptera comparison. They have been promising this model for a long while now, but with the prototype model built, and a battery supplier alliance, and initial funding secured, it looks like it may finally be built in 2023. I also wonder why there is still another year before they are planning on showing a second prototype, especially with the relatively simple design and engineering. There were many different versions and specs of this model shown before, and it still is uncertain if has dual front Elaphe motors (prototype), or more likely one bigger rear Elaphe motor (specs-L1500?). One 75kW motor out back would match the slower 0-60 time, given the light weight and smaller size. The super high performance model seems unrealistic on many levels. Essentially it's similar to the 25kWh/AWD Aptera in power, and a bit lighter with a carbon fiber body, but nothing explains the 1.8 sec estimated 0-60 time, especially with an 80kWh battery. Or the $150K price! The regular battery pack is supposed to be LFP, which is cheaper but it has less energy density, so it is larger and heavier for a given power capability. I also like this Spiritus better than the Solo or Archimoto, but it falls short from the Aptera in range, efficiency, performance value, and solar capability. Still, it's close enough to the Aptera (if it gets built) to be realistically compared. And for certain city areas where the 9" narrower width makes a difference, it could be a better fit (literally) for those buyers. Thanks for the nice coverage as usual.
Wait, if it's low to the ground (as in how low compared to Tesla and other Evs) how close is the battery pack to the HOT road. Remember the first year the Nissan Leaf came out and the battery pack was not protected from the heat of the road --- well it wasn't good on the battery. So what is the protection for the battery pack.
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I looked at the site closely and no vehicle of any kind has been delivered so far. The manufacturer is called AVVENIR and Daymak is only a distributor. Vaporware for me at this point. I hope I'm wrong but for me, it's doubtful there is real intention to produce this thing in mass.
Yup. The manufacturer has no experience with high end electric vehicles. The details are kinda wrong. Huge (&heavy) battery, heavy frame, high energy consumption, >2m wide, no trunk whatsoever, tires with huge rolling resistance, crypto-mining gimmick (wtf?). There are cars that are lighter than this bike.
If you design such a bike/car, there needs to be some kind of bonus. Like the Aptera, which ist extremely power-efficient.
I think Aptera sacrificed too much for the last percent of efficiency and at the same time failed to implement their concept to the fullest by sticking unnecessarily to established solutions. Still, their concept ist stringent. The Spiritus‘ concept is not.
This is more of a challenger to the slingshot than the Aptera.
These are both great, Where Are They? I cut out a magazine Pic and story about the Aptera like 10 years ago so WHERE IS IT? Both are great dreams but right now until I see one on the road both are BS I do own however a Daymak EM 2 and it's great and great looking and it's actually real I have it but both of these cars are just great Screensaver so let's see which one shows up first!!
those thrusters in the back are actually its rearward parking lights
If you want to sit low to the ground for cheap, get an 80s era Alfa Romeo Spider. I had one and it was fun.
Also I haven't heard anything about the braking system, does it have 3 wheel disc brakes maybe .
what do you think about the new Twike model?
I think Aptera should take some styling cues from the spiritus. It does look good.
I see where you're coming from, but then the Aptera wouldn't be the Aptera, what it lacks in style it makes up for in functionality. The Aptera is more aerodynamic due to its design. Aptera is the product of what you get when you take away what a conventional look of a vehicle. It is the work of functionality and science over form. In order to get the range that it has, they had to lower the drag coefficient change how it might look and the way the solar cells are arranged coupled with the ability to take in good amounts of solar energy even when damage sets it apart. So, in the end you get something that looks different.
Great presentation. The bottom line is when will it be ready for the market?
they have put the battery over the front axle so no doubt the body can save weight
Looks pretty good and I hope they're successful. That's partly so I can buy a boomerbuggy from them when I retire in 30 years 😂
Available and legal to drive in Canada (at least I hope so since its made in Ontario). Aptera status in Canada still unknown. This alone may be the reason I will be driving a Spiritus...
lol that frame looks like something id weld together in my garage
By the way Spiritus does have luggage compartment small but it has it .
I will be super surprised if this thing can get to market at all let alone in anything approaching large numbers. It is stupifyingly difficult (and expensive!) to go from prototype to viable production on any kind of vehicle. Even the Aptera is not 100% likely to get to that point, though it is far more likely than the Spiritus in my opinion. The Alpha Ace and Wolf (two very cool EV vaporwares right now) have, I would say, about a 10-20% chance of making it. And that's a shame too because the Ace and Wolf are two of the most interesting looking vehicles of any kind I've seen in a while. I wish them all the best of luck though.
You are absolutely correct once past your negativity! I'm sure these two companies have been working on their scalability.
It was also stupefying (100yrs ago) how VW, Fiat, Ford and all the rest could give life to a dream.
Do you know anything about manufacturing processes in 2022? well lets just start here.....There is a machine about the size of a large fridge (US Company) that is basically, a 3D printer utilizing a variety of selectable metals/alloys to produce ANYTHING! right there you've just eliminated a mold, iron/metal foundry and the smelter process, while reducing the dependence on Chinese manufacturing.
This is 2022....get with it JustWasted, companies like Daymak have access to 10's of $MM with pipelines to 100's of $MM to up scale, its called having a solid business plan which includes developing financial resources.
I have seen and driven the Spiritus, it appeals to a different market than the Aptera, its like comparing a Prius to a Lexus! Aptera has its place though and I wish them all the luck.
@@courtneybrown4782 I wish all of these startups the best of luck. I'm just pointing out that, as Elon Musk put it, making a prototype that works is hard but getting to the point where you're building thousands of them that are reliable and cost effective is exponentially harder. Even Tesla, the most valuable car company in the world right now, has issues scaling up production, and they have access to 10s or 100s of $BB.
@danlini9009 I do, but the Aptera is way, Way, WAY more far along in development than the Elio ever got. That's not to say that Aptera is totally smooth sailing from here on out. There is still a huge amount of work to be done to get this to market, but with Sandy Munro on their side and their openness during its entire development, I'm confident it will see the light of day.
Honestly I'm hoping someone takes the Radical RCX platform and sells it as a limited production street car.
And yes the Radical can actually be registered in California as a street legal car.
An all electric version of it would also be legal as the motor passes CA CARB.
I’m older and remember when this was the zap Alias - look it up… it’s the same thing 12 years later…
I remember that vehicle, and thought it was rather appealing also
Thinking about where most wasted gas/ emissions are produced I'm guessing this car make good sense. Back and forth to store and ect..
This company is in Canada, and our top speed for non-licensed vehicles is 32km\hr max (at least in Ontario)
They build most of their vehicles for law abiding citizens.. (Yes you can mod these, but to sell them they have to pass legal requirements)
Check out the Elio motors electric offering 14k msrp on it 110 mph top speed and IRC 156 miles of range.
The photo at 4:20 where is shows the swing arm, it has the exact type Aptera started with, but dumped due to poor ride quality. And given the narrow track for the 3 wheels, will be much less stable as well. This is just a 3-wheel motorcycle, while the Aptera is a 3-wheel car. All the safety concerns people have that Chris and Steve address, are a definite risk in this thing.
I've looked at both, but why do they insist on them being 3 wheeler ? Why don't they just add another one and make it look like a proper car more or less....
The company seems to be focus on to many things electric, it would be best to focus on the vehicle so it could go to market with less defects, aptera is a well thought concept which I think would be a better choice
The two weird looking gizmos in the back are the taillights.
I'll wait for the Aptera.
The front end looks more like the Sondors
Is Aptera’s claimed 100 Wh/mi efficiency proven?
The exhaust is tail lights to look like exhaust, it also has a crypto mining machine in it, so that is what makes it utilize a bit more battery power. This doesn't seem like a good nonbiased comparison and the battery is low in the front to keep weight on the front end to keep weight on the front end.
One is a sports car, the other is a utility vehicle.
The doors are insane. I would hate to have a pickup park too close and keep me from getting back into the vehicle.
The Aptera doors only need about 5: of clearance to enter or exit - less than vehicles with normally opening doors.
Feels like someone is trying to ride on the coattails of Aptera. Aptera overall really feels like a much much much better designed vehicle.
The Spiritus managed to make a little three-wheeler wih a coefficient of drag of 0.3 which is pretty much as bad as a large brick of an suv given how much less "car" you are getting and that to me is completely hilarious.
The spiritus is form over function, the aptera is function over form, and that to me is much more useful in the grand scheme of things and very refreshing.
The 32km max speed for the scooters is due to Canadian regulation. By keeping it at 32km you don't need insurance or a license
Ooof… yeah, glad I’m on the Aptera train. I prefer the grand touring end over the city/track practicalities. That has a Lamborghini like front end, the aesthetics are wonderful, but the clearance and other stats fall flat to me.
The Spiritus just a concept at this point I really think that they are closely monitoring Aptera. Hence why they included the solar panel.
That being said instead of offering storage or practicality they're just going for a gimmicky features like crypto mining, and supposed flying vehicle. Instead of going for more common sense items like extended range.
Love the exterior design, sporty and aggressive but not practical enough since it has no storage and it is too low. I love the looks. The Aptera on the other hand looks more promising except solar panels generate some unhealthy amounts of radiation and I wouldn't like to have them overhead on that or any vehicle.
10:10. I seriously doubt this thing handles well, and certainly not as well as the Aptera. The Aptera not only has a lower center of gravity, it has a wider wheel base, and it has more centralized mass (which is going to improve its yaw moment). The Spiritus having all those batteries up front is going to make the vehicle nose heavy, which will cause it to push through turns. On top of that, having the narrower wheel base, combined with a tall battery stack, is going to undermine vehicle stability at the limit. I would absolutely go with an Aptera, even a base model, over this thing. Just for driving fun. That's before even talking about how much more practical the Aptera is.
wtf is that flying drone thing lmao. You’re meant to sit in it?
Those doors look like they would hit the cars next to you if you were parking...that would be pretty annoying. It looks cool, but no trunk space is another deal killer for me. One rear wheel drive doesn't sound great for winter. I don't like how wide Aptera's front wheels are nor how low they are to the ground, I wonder how it would work in a few inches of snow. I do love the efficiency angle and the trunk space as well as the solar. For me 90% of the time, solar would get me where I was going and back (except during some parts of winter). Personally, I'm going to wait a few years before buying an EV, a used future EV will likely be better and cheaper than current EV's.
Excelente auto, tengo entendido que ya se han fabricado seis los cuales ya han sido vendidos, y hay más pedidos pendientes de los mismos.
No, eso es incorrecto. Ha habido cero ventas. Se supone que las ventas comenzarán en 2023.
If we can get the Rimac batteries and drive train into one of these vehicles for under $10k….I’m in😄👌🏼
A car that can mine crypto would be fantastic.
So is the price difference between the two models because of the super computer installed in the car to mine cryptos?😁
thanks for the video! I think that the crash tests are going to be the key differentiator for a lot of customers. How about Hyundai 5 & 7? Those are pretty impressive. I think Aptera has more in common with the hyundai 5 than the other 3 wheelers on the market.
Aptera really needs to work on the width.
I'm not interested, but I hope it's successful, I want our roads to start looking a lot different and being a lot quieter in coming years.
That car screams Tron theme needed if I owned one.. 😂
Most current Daymak products are pretty shabby.
I haven't seen them in person but the specs on their website of their current products are not exactly impressive.
Ive owend one of their bikes, they are limited By Law to 500w hub and 32km/h in most of Canada...
The build quality of what they import is Ok
If really like the design but that's the only thing. Seems to be just for fun (if you pay 149.000 bucks...)
I like how startups are pricing their vehicles a few thousand less than established companies with a much larger range of products while at the same time using a traditionally more expensive drivetrain. How does this magic work?
@biblereader Polaris Slingshot starts at $1k more and has a multitude of manufacturing savings and dealer benefits. Realistically you need to add at least $10k to the base model.
Width on the Aptera killed it for me or else I would order one with 400 range with full solar.
Good luck with that.
Charge on!
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It’ll never make it between Elpaso Texas and San Antonio or even Fort Stockton see that’s the thing they put these little tiny ranges in them and they think that we’re going to use them they forget a lot
Why show this picture, show the picture shown on the UTube first picture. This car is really good and looks like to have a better chance of getting into production and being bought than the Aptera and looks more sensible and simpler. Also would be much better to operate in the cold country where it will be built. Go for this one guys if u want a more useful car.
The rims are similar to the Aptera rims. Probably the same
The Daymak has about the same highway speed efficiency as a Zero electric motorcycle (with terrible motorcycle aerodynamics), which is a missed opportunity. Even some cheap plastic fairings could probably improve the aerodynamics.
There’s no comparison between these two. The Daymak looks cool, but it has nothing going for it other than exterior styling.
Also, the exhaust looking cosmetics are the taillights.
I think Aptera looks way cooler, imho : )
How is there an "Aptera Owner's Club" when they haven't sold any cars yet?
One of life's great mysteries
Ironically, a "Commuter Vehicle" needs to place the driver up HIGH, where they can see the traffic and lanes around them.
Seems the Designers should know this
I traded a Porsche for a 4Runner to deal with LA traffic. Being in a low sports car, you can only see 1-2 car-distances around you.
The 4Runner "performed" better, giving visibility, which means getting through traffic more efficiently
Los Angeles; 6 lanes packed with cars, at 25mph average requires a very different design, which EVs should do very well.
On a 40 mile commute which takes 1.5hrs... solar charging starts to make sense, even.
And yes, I did quit that and sail oceans now; problem solved
Aptera comes with solar charging it’s a base feature their base model has no solar charge for 25k then solar/other features for 125k‼️ quite a jump lol😅
it is a pity that cars are considered in Spain as tricycles and not as cars
sounds like a sondors
You might want to look at the definition of the word "drone".
I would think the Aptera is also a lot safer
Why?
@@davidclark538 It's hard to believe its carbon fiber and it looks like its build more for fooling around than driving. The further out wheels in Aptera I would assume are more stable. Just my guess.
@@davidclark538 Aptera has safety built into the design from the beginning and includes front and rear crumple zones, air bags, and an F1 style passenger safety cage. It will be crash tested to automotive crash test standards and the ratings published before shipping.
The Spiritus looks super cool, almost like a small muscle car, interior looks super nice. buttttt that’s about it. The Aptera beats it in almost every way, more space, further mileage, seems more safe and I mean come on you can get all the features for a fraction of the cost. Aptera maxes out at around 55k while for the same features this one will cost almost 150k
no ac is a deal breaker, plus in a town of ford 150's I don't want to sit that close to the ground
With the addition of crypto mining this car pays for itself. At least in theory
I’m going to bet the cool one in their advertising is the $150000 model. The $22000 one I’m sure is as plain as milk.
This video is a useful introduction to the Daymak, but this thing is nowhere in the same league as Aptera. They share a basic formfactor but the Aptera is leagues ahead in almost every conceivable aspect of design and manufacturing. The Aptera is a vehicle and the Daymak is a very expensive toy. The off-the-shelf battery design of the Daymak is enough to tell you that. Its even situated in the most vulnerable spot on the vehicle. Also, I honestly don't see a use case for it with the Aptera starting at under $26k.
It is unreal in the data of the car
weight: considering things like the slingshot and morgan 3 wheeler are heavier and smaller that this is a pretty positive considering this is a BEV abd even the 36kW pack would weight at least 100kg (220lb) in the case of the top trimhow you make a 600kg vehicle where the battery weights half of it. You could make it but at a cost of safety also things like a BAC mono made from composites and being more from air weights 1300lb
Acceleration: on the top trim you will need something like 400kW but more important wide and sticky wheels
Aero: from the same design obtaining .29 (possible) and .13 cx from similar designs is impossible considering the aptera has to have wheel covers and no vents to archive this.
This product is a vaporwave/sham or clearly made by someone who hasn’t real engineering backround or has but no industrial knowledge to put it on production, also is this the same brand that put a whole range of e movility but hast put any actual model on display?
The Spiritus looks like it was slapped together from existing vehicles. No ground up development.
LOVE Aptera's economy but it is totally not drivable on REAL roads in the USA. I live in the country, and I guarantee anyone that the Aptera would be missing panels, wheel hoods etc after a week of driving. I LOVE the LOOK of the Daymak and might stand a better chance to stay in one piece driving the average pothole roads of the USA but less distance per charge. Can't anyone make a best of both? LOL!.
Are any of them even real? Everything on that website looks like an ID student's senior project with collections of their student work in one imaginary company website with renderings and photos of 3D printed models. And how can the inexplicably 6x more expensive version have much lower cd with essentially the same body and weigh less with more motors and bigger battery unless it's a completely different vehicle that isn't shown and bizarrely has the same model name? Also love the not-an-investment-scam-and-we're-totally-NOT-a-startup-because-the-founder-has-been-tinkering-with-ebikes-for-decades-oh-hey-Crypto!-did-you-see-that-totally-cool-disruptor-buzzword?-invest-and-get-a-branded-jacket-and-that's-not-all-if-you-act-now-you'll-also-get-these-commemorative-plates! garbage verbiage on the website. I'd likely see more from a Publisher's Clearing House sweepstakes (if that still exists).
The best of 2023 will be the:
1-Aptera-26000$
2-Verge TS hubless motorbike-24999$
3-Daymak Spiritus-22000$
With 50k we can get an Aptera and a Verge TS bike.