This format is fantastic, I think it could only be improved by being weekly, maybe 1h to 1.5h long, discussing all the weekends games, and perhaps having a human baby and/or a Scottish man in addition to these two chaps. I think it could work
@@wespicedmemes You can do that with JJ Bull or Carl Anka, they are open to that kind of stuff. But Joe must know now that they have been working together for a year or two (or is it even longer by now?) that Jon simply isn't that kind of type.
We know you're trying to bring the podcast back without just saying "We're bringing the podcast back" and it's fine. We're all onboard to pretend you didn't leave to hang out with your Pilates teacher for a couple months, _we're just happy you're home._ The kids missed you.
Let Joe live his life. He gave us so many great times. Just enjoy that and let it go. He gets to move on with his life when he wants. Constant comments like this will only make these few guest appearances less frequent. We all loved the old pod but nothing lasts forever baby.
Please bring back the TIFO IRL Football show in its old format! Was the happiest 1hr of my day when I would watch those! A little banter, even if off topic is great when presented the way it was😃
I feel like this entire season is about control. The teams that can control games the best throughout the season will excel. It's the most tactically interesting season we've had.
This style of video is great as it provides deep analysis. However, I do miss the little 10 mins videos on weekend of the more interesting games as it provided a wider variety of insight into other teams in the league.
@@CianMcsweeney I think it's just football data/tactical anaylsis in general, because individual "moments" don't matter (because we have to analyse trends and patterns) Onana constantly making errors just isn't relevant, apparently. Trying to be too clever.
@@mango8786 but that's the whole disconnect. The bits we analyse: United passing out from the back, Onana is an upgrade. The bits we don't: you know, like, the shots, the saves he's not making, he's not. That's the whole problem. It's not analysis if you remove the bits you don't like / think you're too smart for.
It would be great if I could get this in audio form, possibly for an hour or so covering the weekends games, so that I can listen on my commute. You guys should look into that.
Manutd vs brighton is quite literally why manutd fans are absolutely right to blame everything on the glazers. Well run club with no money vs terribly run club with money. The difference in how both clubs operate speaks volumes.
You can blame the glazers all you want...but they have given united a decent budget and still no performance....man UTD hijacked Fred ,cristiano from city and still ended up flopping...yesterday they were beaten by 20million pound team...one thing is sure they are cursed
@@eldios831 spending money doesn’t equal success. The Glazers haven’t given United a budget lol as they’ve never put any of their money into the club. The money hasn’t been spent well hence why the squad is in such disarray.
The didn't rest, they had players coming back from injuries. Same as Man Utd, who missed 10 players through injuries or 'other' problems (sancho/antony)
@@MikeTHEBOSS yeah they did don’t cry salty tears! Brighton had a b team out and smashed Utd! United had 10 players out? Really? 2 of them could’ve played but 1 was beating up his girlfriend and the other is just dog 💩!
The total number of goals from the previous three Premiership meetings of these clubs was Brighton 7 : 1 Man U. After this fourth meeting the total is now Brighton 10 : 2 Man U. This recent result cannot have been a surprise and Brighton have clearly been the better team for some time. They are better organised, better drilled, enjoy themselves and play together as a team. This applies throughout their squad. United’s practice of buying skilful, big name expensive players with the expectation that they will come good as a skilled, professional unit is naive by comparison. It’s hit and miss at best. Look at Chelsea. They make the same mistakes.
The last two times they played, prior to this last game, the games were surprisingly close (surprisingly because everyone expected Brighton to clap some cheeks, like in the 4-0 and on Saturday), but United won in pens and Brighton won off of a 96' handball pen. You're totally correct about Brighton being better run and structured. Literally every United fan will agree with that and will agree that the way United is run is a disgrace, hence why every fan hates the Glazers (and Arnold and Murtough).
I know United are the most popular team in the country, but since the start of the season there’s been: - 5 Manchester United themed videos - 2 about Man City - 2 about Arsenal (one of which was about the United/Arsenal game - 2 about Liverpool - 1 about Brighton. I can’t be the only one who’d like a bit more variety surely? Not even a mention of a non top 6 team other than one video on Everton. The podcast is gone and I can live with that, but now there’s no podcast, no Tifo football show, and barely any match breakdowns either.
Man utd is getting battered with the highest wage bill in the PL, and the highest net spend for the last 10 years. by every account we SHOULD be good. but every time we flop. Thats why theres so many utd videos
Whenever they do vids about the top-6 they always hit ~300k views so it seems odd why they don't spread them around a bit more, not like United's getting double the views of the rest and there's plenty to talk about with the others. Edit. I also just noticed that on the Tifo Football channel 3 of the last 5 videos with a team in the title have been about United
So let me get this straight: Ten Hag’s whole game plan was based on a type of pressing that can be outmanoeuvred by *checks notes* moving centre backs a bit wider in build-up? The Dutch guy’s a real genius😑
@@NYX_8 Rashford is so lazy in the press. Bruno and Hojlund ran their socks off for the most part. Rashford always presses decently at the start of matches, then gets frustrated when United doesn't win the ball back the first couple of times then he just gives up. It's embarrassing. Need to be persistent in the press no matter what.
@@NvFrancobruno doesn't exactly know how to press well either, his timing is off and he doesn't cover possible passing lanes well. He does run alot tho, which is something ig?
@@duyanhng8430that’s right. i don’t have a link, but i think tifo once did a segment using data to show that despite how much running Bruno does, he actually isn’t an effective presser at all and his running is mostly useless
I understand that Brighton adapted and in tern countered what United did in the first 20. However i feel like its important to stress how United could have actually won had Rashford taken the chances he got. Casemiro definitely was leggy and his passes were not as accurate as they were last season.
What Ten Hag seems unable to do is to react mid game against what opposition is doing. With the premier league more and more competitive, you no longer can play in a certain way without the opponent planning for you
He can't do much tbh; everyone is injured. lol And, to be fair, this diamond system was working well. The only problem is the midfield switched off (or doesn't have the legs) to pick up runners. All of Brighton's goals were the same and could have been prevented had the midfielders done their defensive duties properly. Slot in Mount and Amrabat and hopefully the same errors won't keep occurring. Add the midfield deficiencies to the Chelsea-like lack of goals and you have a disaster waiting to happen with ETH reaping all of the blame. Granted, taking Hojlund off for Martial while leaving Eriksen and McTominay on was shocking, to say the least...
@CoconutJewce well he said the holund sub was.part of the medical plan. People keep forgetting it was the first start of rasmus after a month long injury
@@Drwn4945 As much as I like Hojlund and think he'll be huge for us, we shouldn't have bought him, or bought him at that price, if we can't fully use him until after the first 6 games. He's 20; he should be able to play full games at that age at this point in the season, especially after he just played some games for Denmark. There was no reason to buy someone to accompany Martial in the hospital. Idk how much I believe ETH on that one tbh.
It's much more simple. If you like to play diamond effectively against organized teams you need 2 solid holding midfielders and a well trained pressing squad. United currently doesn't have both.
It was easy to be carried away by the first 20 minutes where United were aggressive with their pressing BUT it was never going to be sustainable. United have always done well in the opening minutes in every game they've played then the level drops. In the Brighton game in particular, United were always going to be found out. We don't keep possession and are too direct with our play. Recycling possession and being patient in the buildup will always yield rewards but United are always in a hurry to get the ball forward. You risk many turnovers and considering the lack of athleticism in United's midfield options (Casemiro, Eriksen and McTominay), we were going to be punished at some point. Watching Casemiro and Eriksen in transition is akin to watching people run with a bag of cement tied to their backs. This has been the situation so far this season. The injury crisis hasn't helped either but it was naive of Erik to adopt a diamond where the midfield was going to be under a lot of pressure out of possession, especially one lacking energy, intensity and aggression. Casemiro lacks the legs and resorts to making tackles as opposed to getting into a duel. He accepted that he can win duels any longer. Eriksen has always been awful out of possession and McTominay? I'm sorry but he is not worth discussing because it's bizarre that he's still a Man Utd player. The situation could improve once Mainoo, Amrabat and Mount return as these players have the athleticism out of possession. In conclusion, it's been a frustrating start to the season and Erik shouldn't be shielded from any responsibility - playing players out of position doesn't put him in a good light - but there is still a lot to play for. Hopefully United can kickstart their season this weekend.
@@Stef_FPL no, in this case the analysis is constructing tactics that aren't intentional or don't exist or are very faintly there. Man United are Moments FC, and since Rashford and Bruno stopped scoring, there are no longer any moments.
I think we are talking about a completely different diamond based on Casemiro with Amrabat and Mount on sides than with Eriksen and McTominay. Those two missing can offer more stability for the second phase. Or even better with Amrabat-Mainoo-Mount if Casemiro continues to struggle finding his optimal fitness shape. Some players fit the system, some don’t…
Question, Why when teams go wider during build-up against United such as Spurs and Brighton why don't United just not press the goalkeeper and go more man for man in the press? I guess my real question is ETH is a good enough manager to notice this build-up change so why are we not offering something different to counter it? Do we not have the players? Are the players not getting enough quality coaching to deal with this scenario where we are weak?
Y’all let Joe live his life. He gave us so many great times. Just enjoy that and let it go. He gets to move on with his life when he wants. Constant comments like this will only make these few guest appearances less frequent. We all loved the old pod but nothing lasts forever baby.
I think another thing that let's Ten Hag down, is stubborness. He can obviously see things going wrong, but for some reason seems less inclined to make a change in tactics or formation, even substitutions.
It’s his way or go bust it seems. Ajax fans did say he was very stubborn. It’s a dilemma as you either change your philosophy to suit the current players or stick to his way although the current players clearly aren’t good enough to do it.
He is clearly very stubborn, no doubt, but who was he supposed to put on? Other than Garnacho and Pellistri (who he never wants to play, for some reason), the bench is super thin at the moment. Everyone is injured. lol For example, our bench was Martial, Garnacho, Pellistri, AWB (now out for 2 months, I believe), Hannibal, Bayindir, Maguire, Evans, and Gore. Again, besides Garnacho and Pellistri, no one else comes on and improves the system we played or would improve a different system. ETH didn't really have a choice, unfortunately.
I have always enjoyed the combination of serious and silly on this channel. As much as it sometimes feels like they play up to it, the silliness is missed when it’s not there.
Without joe/jj/Karl it's just like any other football podcast you can find anywhere else, nobody else does the silly stuff as well as tifo when those three are involved. It's nice to have a jon/seb character alongside them but especially in an unscripted podcast they can't keep it entertaining
their subs are very energetic, darwin nunez comes in in the 2nd half and terrorize the opposition helps loads with wearing down the defenders and winning games
They have about five forwards who would start at like 18 prem clubs so that's a lot of quality to be able to bring on late Also klopp is great at making mid game changes
For me, herein lies the crux of the issue for United... What would happen if United decided NOT to press Brighton, and instead form a middle-block in a standard 4-2-3-1 formation? Well, we saw the answer to that, when OGS was in charge. In home games at OT against sides who would happily settle for a point, United really struggled to control the games and create chances. Largely because there was no plan for enforcing turnovers and no plan for creating attacking overloads when in possession. It was all very safe, and this suited opponents under no pressure to actually win the game. This led to tight games, usually decided by a "moment" i.e. a penalty/set-piece or a piece of individual skill. In away games, or against "aspirational teams" i.e. teams who came to OT primarily to win, United actually did very well under OGS, in his first season in charge. There was the record-breaking unbeaten away run and a couple of notably comfortable victories against Manchester City. The problems began in his 2nd full season, when he attempted to implement his more "progressive/aggressive" style of football. The plan was to play higher, press higher and force turnovers...and it was implemented and executed very poorly. At the time, this was explained by many as being down to OGS limitations as a coach, which may or may not be the case (see how well McKenna has done since leaving...he did most of the coaching). What we really need, said United fans, is a top coach. So in comes ETH. First few games, same issue, so he then reverts to a more conservative style of football, albeit noticeably the team had clearer 'patterns of play' in attack and were able to create overloads and a good number of shooting opportunities. This season, United have gone back to Ten Hag Plan A, and again, it's gone horribly wrong. It seems that whenever a coach tries to implement a style which takes the team to the next level, the wheels come off. Personally, I think it's down to poor and confused recruitment and squad management over the last decade. Even now, after 18-months of ETH, the squad remains a real mixed bag, because he can't address all of the positions he'd like to address in each window (no manager can, bar Pep circa 2015). That means United are attempting to play this progressive style with obvious weaknesses. Rashford can't play in a pressing team, he's too lazy and entitled. Likewise Martial and Sancho, for broadly the same reasons. Casemiro still has class but his legs are going. Eriksen is a technical player, not a physical one. There are examples all over the pitch. When ETH gets his full squad back, I think we'll see improvements. Mount is an excellent presser. Antony works very hard and is a good presser (the media have labelled him otherwise, seemingly largely because he's Brazilian) and Fernandes and Hojlund are high energy. Amrabat is much more suited to this style than Eriksen. When Shaw is back and can alternate with Martinez in stepping beside Casemiro in CM, I think we'll see something start to come together....but again...there'll be bumps in the road and it will be slow progress.
I'm sure United will try to sign Frenkie De Jong in the summer. He has 1 year left on his barca deal and they'll never offer him the same wages. He got insane wages at Barca because PSG also wanted to sign him and this was just after PSG has taken Neymar so they couldn't be seen to lose out again, ultimately he ended up on wages close to Messi hence why Barca have tried to offload him a few times already. With 1 year left he has to get sold in the summer and ETH loves him. In the meantime I'd prefer to see United move away from this man to man system as I don't think we have the players for it.
I think when you criticise Casemiro it's important to consider what's around him. Ericksen can barely move and McTominay hides so he's in midfield by himself. bruno runs has good running stats but they're skewed because most of that running is towards the ref.
Dear Joe Devine, We all love the analysis videos, and we love the content that’s coming out right now. That said - there is a void in my life since you BRUTALLY MURDERED the podcast. If you were to come back, like the father who had actually bought the milk, we would greatly appreciate it. Please. Bring the Pod back. (maybe just at least monthly to start with?x) Thank you
They're losing to everyone at the moment. Maybe the players just can't physically do it after the amount of games last season and a world cup. But the foundations of this team are incredibly weak mentally. They are brittle. They remind me of Arsenal 2011-2021.
Ten hag doesn't respond to in game changes. Ive noticed it from last season against chelsea under potter. Dominant for 15 minutes and outfoxxed for the rest of the game
The real issue with ETH is his own stubbornness. He has a plan and he sticks with it no matter what. While this is admirable, in the Premier League that mindset will cost you a 7 0 against your rivals. I think that a few more defeats of the Brighton nature will give the board something to think about. If ETH does go, United HAVE to get De Zerbi!!
@MarcelVolker I think if he gets offered the job he takes it. Regardless of the shitty ownership, a chance to work at United is an opportunity 90% of football managers take.
@@user-nd3ks4mi7b you dont know how brighton are run do you? their owners have created an algorithm that finds the players they need based on stats and only brentford have something similar
Utds problem is every game they are trying to adapt to the other teams playing style, rather than being dominant and forcing them to adapt. They mention utds "agressive pressing" but did we watch the same game? Half heartly pressing like they cant be arsed
16:09 Lie! They are quite clearly struggling with being convincing with the first phase. Its not Onana's fault, teams just aren't bothering to press up, meaning there's no pass to play through. But his presence hasnt improved the buildup
United mis The De gea cleansheets and a proper double pivot ...C18 alongside amrabat...would be great...and brighton cant play against a low block ...Everton demolised them last season...
They brought in a coach who's main skill is building teams and then didnt get his input for building the team, and bought a load of expensive young players so there is very little actual experience there. It's a poorly thought out squad which won't get significantly better until they actually form a strategy for what kind of team they want to build.
Even though the manager doesn't have to players to play in the system that's not an excuse for the team not to have a formation or a style of play. United players are lost when the defenders has the ball, the midfield hides from the ball so they're forced to play the ball wide to Rashford and Antony and they are now predictable. Everyone walks around when the opposition has the ball, they dont tackle so the opposition can create chances after chances
This format is fantastic, I think it could only be improved by being weekly, maybe 1h to 1.5h long, discussing all the weekends games, and perhaps having a human baby and/or a Scottish man in addition to these two chaps. I think it could work
ROONEY
That's crazy, how did you come up with such an idea 🤔
and potentially a bald man from germany
you know what, i reckon that'd be brilliant!
Potentially a man with two letters as his first name and his surname a male cow
PLEASE, bring the podcast back 🙂
Joe Devine got sick of doing it
@@TtotheCizzelI’ve got sick of Joe Devine getting sick of it. What about me?!
This is better
The podcast still worked without Joe. Especially when both Seb and JJ were on it.
We could set up a government petition to get it back. Surely it would be classed as a program of national and cultural significance
The chemistry between John, Joe and JJ is genuinely unparalleled and the podcast/show quality is night and day compared to when they are all together
😂
🤣 the analyst dude seems annoyed by the constant unnecessary interruptions
@@lindilebangose7667probably because it reminds him that the new format which they refuse to put on TH-cam is simply not as good as the old format
@@lindilebangose7667I don't blame him 😂 he's trying so hard to be funny
Speaking of “working hard to solve problems as the game progresses”: John had to work so hard to keep Joe on topic as this podcast progressed 😂
Because Joe has the attention span of a 5 year old. Why is he even sitting there if all he does is taking the flow out of Jon's analyses?
@@jdjphotographynl for the lols 😉
@@jdjphotographynlI’m sure that’s what he’s there for. Just done comedic relief I guess. I know for some it’s annoying but i see the vision.
@@wespicedmemes the guy doing the analysis clearly is not enjoying the "comedy" from this other annoying guy
@@wespicedmemes You can do that with JJ Bull or Carl Anka, they are open to that kind of stuff. But Joe must know now that they have been working together for a year or two (or is it even longer by now?) that Jon simply isn't that kind of type.
Joe’s ability to bring the spark into tifo was absolutely essential. Bring the podcast back!
We know you're trying to bring the podcast back without just saying "We're bringing the podcast back" and it's fine. We're all onboard to pretend you didn't leave to hang out with your Pilates teacher for a couple months, _we're just happy you're home._ The kids missed you.
The podcast without Joe is so normal like any other podcast. They had the perfect formula
Let Joe live his life. He gave us so many great times. Just enjoy that and let it go. He gets to move on with his life when he wants. Constant comments like this will only make these few guest appearances less frequent. We all loved the old pod but nothing lasts forever baby.
@@justingonzalez7613the children yearn for more content from the tall man
Please bring back the TIFO IRL Football show in its old format! Was the happiest 1hr of my day when I would watch those! A little banter, even if off topic is great when presented the way it was😃
That McBrighton moment was comedy gold
Jon's sigh had me dying
man cannot stand being interrupted even for a moment when he's on a roll lmao@@CatchMeOnPort8080
The Joe Devine and Jonathan Gremdad McKenzie banter is the heart and soul of TIFO.
Please come back Mr.Devine.
Joe is annoying
I feel like this entire season is about control. The teams that can control games the best throughout the season will excel. It's the most tactically interesting season we've had.
Joey Devine's tangents are hilarious 😂😂😂. It's like getting Grandpa to do football analysis but can't help go off topic now and again.
This style of video is great as it provides deep analysis. However, I do miss the little 10 mins videos on weekend of the more interesting games as it provided a wider variety of insight into other teams in the league.
I recall a person on this channel calling Onana the best GK in the Premier League for GW1-4 recently...
yeah idk what's been going on this season but their opinions have been terrible
Not much to do from uncontested rockets inside the 18 for the first 2 goals 🤷♂️
I think they meant that Onana is the best GK that United needed for their system.
@@CianMcsweeney I think it's just football data/tactical anaylsis in general, because individual "moments" don't matter (because we have to analyse trends and patterns) Onana constantly making errors just isn't relevant, apparently. Trying to be too clever.
@@mango8786 but that's the whole disconnect. The bits we analyse: United passing out from the back, Onana is an upgrade. The bits we don't: you know, like, the shots, the saves he's not making, he's not. That's the whole problem. It's not analysis if you remove the bits you don't like / think you're too smart for.
Would love JJ on these
yes and then in a audio form, length about an hour and talking about everyting football🙃🙃🙂
Well look forward to next Monday :)
@@TheAthleticFCwe all need the podcast football/nonsense hit though, it’s been missing in our lives
ROOONEY
I would love a weekly one of these with JJ and Carl Anka too please.
In a podcast format... bring it back 😭
Do you really want a podcast full Aberdeen mentions? Yes, yes I do
Joe could play the villain in Home Alone 17.
It would be great if I could get this in audio form, possibly for an hour or so covering the weekends games, so that I can listen on my commute. You guys should look into that.
Yes! Also look into getting JJ, Seb and Alex back and firing ole what’s his face.
Or just get youtube premium?
There are plenty of good football pods out there you can listen to on your commute..
Manutd vs brighton is quite literally why manutd fans are absolutely right to blame everything on the glazers. Well run club with no money vs terribly run club with money. The difference in how both clubs operate speaks volumes.
something about correlation and causation
Agreed. Blaming the Glazers isn't an excuse. It's just pointing out that ETH is like number 6 on the list of problems.
@@stevenlannister184no manager succeeds long term under the current structure of the glazers
You can blame the glazers all you want...but they have given united a decent budget and still no performance....man UTD hijacked Fred ,cristiano from city and still ended up flopping...yesterday they were beaten by 20million pound team...one thing is sure they are cursed
@@eldios831 spending money doesn’t equal success. The Glazers haven’t given United a budget lol as they’ve never put any of their money into the club. The money hasn’t been spent well hence why the squad is in such disarray.
Brighton actually rested players against Utd at Old Trafford 🤣 they treated it like a league cup game because Brighton knew it was a easy dub!
The didn't rest, they had players coming back from injuries. Same as Man Utd, who missed 10 players through injuries or 'other' problems (sancho/antony)
@@MikeTHEBOSS yeah they did don’t cry salty tears! Brighton had a b team out and smashed Utd! United had 10 players out? Really? 2 of them could’ve played but 1 was beating up his girlfriend and the other is just dog 💩!
The total number of goals from the previous three Premiership meetings of these clubs was Brighton 7 : 1 Man U. After this fourth meeting the total is now Brighton 10 : 2 Man U. This recent result cannot have been a surprise and Brighton have clearly been the better team for some time. They are better organised, better drilled, enjoy themselves and play together as a team. This applies throughout their squad. United’s practice of buying skilful, big name expensive players with the expectation that they will come good as a skilled, professional unit is naive by comparison. It’s hit and miss at best. Look at Chelsea. They make the same mistakes.
Feel better stating the obvious
The last two times they played, prior to this last game, the games were surprisingly close (surprisingly because everyone expected Brighton to clap some cheeks, like in the 4-0 and on Saturday), but United won in pens and Brighton won off of a 96' handball pen. You're totally correct about Brighton being better run and structured. Literally every United fan will agree with that and will agree that the way United is run is a disgrace, hence why every fan hates the Glazers (and Arnold and Murtough).
Better team but finished 4 positions lower 🤔
The better team with 13 points less last season 😮
Man United got more points than their performances last season deserved!!
What a wonderful surprise! Thanks for dropping in Joe
I know United are the most popular team in the country, but since the start of the season there’s been:
- 5 Manchester United themed videos
- 2 about Man City
- 2 about Arsenal (one of which was about the United/Arsenal
game
- 2 about Liverpool
- 1 about Brighton.
I can’t be the only one who’d like a bit more variety surely? Not even a mention of a non top 6 team other than one video on Everton.
The podcast is gone and I can live with that, but now there’s no podcast, no Tifo football show, and barely any match breakdowns either.
Even the video about West Ham was a bit snobbish.
Man utd is getting battered with the highest wage bill in the PL, and the highest net spend for the last 10 years.
by every account we SHOULD be good. but every time we flop.
Thats why theres so many utd videos
Surely we need a Brentford video
Whenever they do vids about the top-6 they always hit ~300k views so it seems odd why they don't spread them around a bit more, not like United's getting double the views of the rest and there's plenty to talk about with the others.
Edit. I also just noticed that on the Tifo Football channel 3 of the last 5 videos with a team in the title have been about United
Cry more 🤣🤣🤣
As always thank you for the in depth analysis, far more interesting then all the typical pundits who are just saying that Ten Hag did a dumb.
Regarding Casemiro, also take into account he played against Bolivia and Perú. So probably had around 20hs of travel in total.
He didn't have to do any work in those games
@@josec8814 Agaist Bolivia maybe but the game against Peru was tough
@@AzulValium tough for the forwards. Casemiro didn't have much to do in that game.
This is quite right, but Brighton were able to rest a lot of their international players in this game due to squad depth
So let me get this straight: Ten Hag’s whole game plan was based on a type of pressing that can be outmanoeuvred by *checks notes* moving centre backs a bit wider in build-up? The Dutch guy’s a real genius😑
Would have not been an issue if the forward line pressed in cohesion.
@@NYX_8 Rashford is so lazy in the press. Bruno and Hojlund ran their socks off for the most part. Rashford always presses decently at the start of matches, then gets frustrated when United doesn't win the ball back the first couple of times then he just gives up. It's embarrassing. Need to be persistent in the press no matter what.
@@NvFrancobruno doesn't exactly know how to press well either, his timing is off and he doesn't cover possible passing lanes well. He does run alot tho, which is something ig?
@@duyanhng8430 You are correct, his timing is pretty poor, but great effort and poor press is at least better than very little effort and poor press.
@@duyanhng8430that’s right. i don’t have a link, but i think tifo once did a segment using data to show that despite how much running Bruno does, he actually isn’t an effective presser at all and his running is mostly useless
Joe's voice is always a genuine pleasure.
The guy in the grey hoodie that’s always trying to be funny can you limit the amount of air time he gets for the foreseeable future.
I understand that Brighton adapted and in tern countered what United did in the first 20. However i feel like its important to stress how United could have actually won had Rashford taken the chances he got. Casemiro definitely was leggy and his passes were not as accurate as they were last season.
Bring the podcast back!!!!
What Ten Hag seems unable to do is to react mid game against what opposition is doing. With the premier league more and more competitive, you no longer can play in a certain way without the opponent planning for you
He was good before April doing half time changes that affect the game. His substitutions and game management has lost its impact now
@@freescoringdoesn’t really have any noteworthy subs to change it atm. They’re all injured
He can't do much tbh; everyone is injured. lol And, to be fair, this diamond system was working well. The only problem is the midfield switched off (or doesn't have the legs) to pick up runners. All of Brighton's goals were the same and could have been prevented had the midfielders done their defensive duties properly. Slot in Mount and Amrabat and hopefully the same errors won't keep occurring. Add the midfield deficiencies to the Chelsea-like lack of goals and you have a disaster waiting to happen with ETH reaping all of the blame. Granted, taking Hojlund off for Martial while leaving Eriksen and McTominay on was shocking, to say the least...
@CoconutJewce well he said the holund sub was.part of the medical plan. People keep forgetting it was the first start of rasmus after a month long injury
@@Drwn4945 As much as I like Hojlund and think he'll be huge for us, we shouldn't have bought him, or bought him at that price, if we can't fully use him until after the first 6 games. He's 20; he should be able to play full games at that age at this point in the season, especially after he just played some games for Denmark. There was no reason to buy someone to accompany Martial in the hospital. Idk how much I believe ETH on that one tbh.
losing it @3:44
It's much more simple. If you like to play diamond effectively against organized teams you need 2 solid holding midfielders and a well trained pressing squad. United currently doesn't have both.
Yep. Most of these analyses can be boiled down to simple football knowledge. There's a desire to overexplain things using statistics.
It was easy to be carried away by the first 20 minutes where United were aggressive with their pressing BUT it was never going to be sustainable. United have always done well in the opening minutes in every game they've played then the level drops. In the Brighton game in particular, United were always going to be found out. We don't keep possession and are too direct with our play. Recycling possession and being patient in the buildup will always yield rewards but United are always in a hurry to get the ball forward. You risk many turnovers and considering the lack of athleticism in United's midfield options (Casemiro, Eriksen and McTominay), we were going to be punished at some point. Watching Casemiro and Eriksen in transition is akin to watching people run with a bag of cement tied to their backs. This has been the situation so far this season. The injury crisis hasn't helped either but it was naive of Erik to adopt a diamond where the midfield was going to be under a lot of pressure out of possession, especially one lacking energy, intensity and aggression. Casemiro lacks the legs and resorts to making tackles as opposed to getting into a duel. He accepted that he can win duels any longer. Eriksen has always been awful out of possession and McTominay? I'm sorry but he is not worth discussing because it's bizarre that he's still a Man Utd player. The situation could improve once Mainoo, Amrabat and Mount return as these players have the athleticism out of possession.
In conclusion, it's been a frustrating start to the season and Erik shouldn't be shielded from any responsibility - playing players out of position doesn't put him in a good light - but there is still a lot to play for.
Hopefully United can kickstart their season this weekend.
Why is anyone pretending Man U have tactics?
So they can sleep well at night
Cause they do. Which is how they can analyse the games
@@Stef_FPL no, in this case the analysis is constructing tactics that aren't intentional or don't exist or are very faintly there. Man United are Moments FC, and since Rashford and Bruno stopped scoring, there are no longer any moments.
@@capadam1440 clearly we went into the game with tactics. Did you even watch the video? The tactics are new, team isn't geld yet.
@@Stef_FPL ETH will be gone before there is any "gelling"
Looking forward to the De Zerbi v. Pep box battle, that is until Pep plays Ederson as LW and wins the game 3-1
😂
I dont understand doing videos like this but not the podcast, you guys clearly love and want to do it, bring it back!
Because Brighton are a better team atm
I think we are talking about a completely different diamond based on Casemiro with Amrabat and Mount on sides than with Eriksen and McTominay. Those two missing can offer more stability for the second phase. Or even better with Amrabat-Mainoo-Mount if Casemiro continues to struggle finding his optimal fitness shape. Some players fit the system, some don’t…
Bring back the pod pls ❤️
Question, Why when teams go wider during build-up against United such as Spurs and Brighton why don't United just not press the goalkeeper and go more man for man in the press?
I guess my real question is ETH is a good enough manager to notice this build-up change so why are we not offering something different to counter it? Do we not have the players? Are the players not getting enough quality coaching to deal with this scenario where we are weak?
Maybe the players who have been coached are injured or missing because of other reasons and the players who are playing can't do what's needed.
Y’all let Joe live his life. He gave us so many great times. Just enjoy that and let it go. He gets to move on with his life when he wants. Constant comments like this will only make these few guest appearances less frequent. We all loved the old pod but nothing lasts forever baby.
Love Joe. Would love to see him hosting something longform, and audiobook maybe?
Bring the podcast back :')
Joe Bovine MOOOOOO. I miss the pod so much.
If no Podcast, Tifo Football Show Season 2 has to return!
A charming voice Jon has! Also, sharp analysis by Joe.
Dracula
Like the beautiful podcast of old, that was truly Devine
I think another thing that let's Ten Hag down, is stubborness. He can obviously see things going wrong, but for some reason seems less inclined to make a change in tactics or formation, even substitutions.
It’s his way or go bust it seems. Ajax fans did say he was very stubborn. It’s a dilemma as you either change your philosophy to suit the current players or stick to his way although the current players clearly aren’t good enough to do it.
He is clearly very stubborn, no doubt, but who was he supposed to put on? Other than Garnacho and Pellistri (who he never wants to play, for some reason), the bench is super thin at the moment. Everyone is injured. lol
For example, our bench was Martial, Garnacho, Pellistri, AWB (now out for 2 months, I believe), Hannibal, Bayindir, Maguire, Evans, and Gore. Again, besides Garnacho and Pellistri, no one else comes on and improves the system we played or would improve a different system. ETH didn't really have a choice, unfortunately.
@@CoconutJewce he had an injury prone Martial! Lol, how have Brighton now got a better squad than us. Shocking haha
I have always enjoyed the combination of serious and silly on this channel. As much as it sometimes feels like they play up to it, the silliness is missed when it’s not there.
Without joe/jj/Karl it's just like any other football podcast you can find anywhere else, nobody else does the silly stuff as well as tifo when those three are involved. It's nice to have a jon/seb character alongside them but especially in an unscripted podcast they can't keep it entertaining
Is it me, or does Joe look like slimmer and ready to bring the podcast back?
So he's the voice of the animated videos😄Bro should be on national geographic, probably the most comfortable speaker I've heard in a while
joe is an intensely funny individual
Nice to see John faced with his tormentor once again
"I was trying to talk about Dracula but you won't let me" Bring the podcast back right now.
The producer screaming at Joe don't u dare this is a serious football channel now serious. U want the muffins right?
good to see joe back 😺
Bring back podcast please thank you
Joe: “They were Newfoundlanded. Does that work?”
Jon: “No.”
God, I miss the pod 😭
Would be nice to also know why Liverpool are the comeback kings this season
their subs are very energetic, darwin nunez comes in in the 2nd half and terrorize the opposition helps loads with wearing down the defenders and winning games
They have about five forwards who would start at like 18 prem clubs so that's a lot of quality to be able to bring on late
Also klopp is great at making mid game changes
The best channel to actually learn about football rather than just seeing fan rants and useless discussions
In Dutch its van, in German its Von. Meaning its Van Hecke
Joe is brilliant - need to see more of him!
For me, herein lies the crux of the issue for United...
What would happen if United decided NOT to press Brighton, and instead form a middle-block in a standard 4-2-3-1 formation? Well, we saw the answer to that, when OGS was in charge. In home games at OT against sides who would happily settle for a point, United really struggled to control the games and create chances. Largely because there was no plan for enforcing turnovers and no plan for creating attacking overloads when in possession. It was all very safe, and this suited opponents under no pressure to actually win the game. This led to tight games, usually decided by a "moment" i.e. a penalty/set-piece or a piece of individual skill.
In away games, or against "aspirational teams" i.e. teams who came to OT primarily to win, United actually did very well under OGS, in his first season in charge. There was the record-breaking unbeaten away run and a couple of notably comfortable victories against Manchester City.
The problems began in his 2nd full season, when he attempted to implement his more "progressive/aggressive" style of football. The plan was to play higher, press higher and force turnovers...and it was implemented and executed very poorly. At the time, this was explained by many as being down to OGS limitations as a coach, which may or may not be the case (see how well McKenna has done since leaving...he did most of the coaching).
What we really need, said United fans, is a top coach. So in comes ETH. First few games, same issue, so he then reverts to a more conservative style of football, albeit noticeably the team had clearer 'patterns of play' in attack and were able to create overloads and a good number of shooting opportunities.
This season, United have gone back to Ten Hag Plan A, and again, it's gone horribly wrong. It seems that whenever a coach tries to implement a style which takes the team to the next level, the wheels come off.
Personally, I think it's down to poor and confused recruitment and squad management over the last decade. Even now, after 18-months of ETH, the squad remains a real mixed bag, because he can't address all of the positions he'd like to address in each window (no manager can, bar Pep circa 2015).
That means United are attempting to play this progressive style with obvious weaknesses. Rashford can't play in a pressing team, he's too lazy and entitled. Likewise Martial and Sancho, for broadly the same reasons. Casemiro still has class but his legs are going. Eriksen is a technical player, not a physical one. There are examples all over the pitch. When ETH gets his full squad back, I think we'll see improvements. Mount is an excellent presser. Antony works very hard and is a good presser (the media have labelled him otherwise, seemingly largely because he's Brazilian) and Fernandes and Hojlund are high energy. Amrabat is much more suited to this style than Eriksen. When Shaw is back and can alternate with Martinez in stepping beside Casemiro in CM, I think we'll see something start to come together....but again...there'll be bumps in the road and it will be slow progress.
I'm sure United will try to sign Frenkie De Jong in the summer. He has 1 year left on his barca deal and they'll never offer him the same wages. He got insane wages at Barca because PSG also wanted to sign him and this was just after PSG has taken Neymar so they couldn't be seen to lose out again, ultimately he ended up on wages close to Messi hence why Barca have tried to offload him a few times already.
With 1 year left he has to get sold in the summer and ETH loves him. In the meantime I'd prefer to see United move away from this man to man system as I don't think we have the players for it.
I think when you criticise Casemiro it's important to consider what's around him. Ericksen can barely move and McTominay hides so he's in midfield by himself. bruno runs has good running stats but they're skewed because most of that running is towards the ref.
Is that JJ Bull in the background at the end of the video doing construction work?
Is there a weird noise in background of this vid or is it just my device? Around 16:00 seems pretty bad
Dear Joe Devine,
We all love the analysis videos, and we love the content that’s coming out right now. That said - there is a void in my life since you BRUTALLY MURDERED the podcast.
If you were to come back, like the father who had actually bought the milk, we would greatly appreciate it.
Please. Bring the Pod back. (maybe just at least monthly to start with?x)
Thank you
so how long until we get the podcast back?
That hmmm from John 💀
They're losing to everyone at the moment. Maybe the players just can't physically do it after the amount of games last season and a world cup. But the foundations of this team are incredibly weak mentally. They are brittle. They remind me of Arsenal 2011-2021.
There’s some droning in the background that’s driving me nuts
Ten hag doesn't respond to in game changes. Ive noticed it from last season against chelsea under potter. Dominant for 15 minutes and outfoxxed for the rest of the game
Bring podcast back pls! I want eagle chat mixed in with my weekly football knowledge
This was amazing , analysis and comedy 10/10 😂😂😂
I wish you guys would also make vids on football outside of England...
3:46 HAHAHAH I love when Joe goofs around xD Just hope Jon feels comfortable enough with the weirdness.
The real issue with ETH is his own stubbornness. He has a plan and he sticks with it no matter what. While this is admirable, in the Premier League that mindset will cost you a 7 0 against your rivals.
I think that a few more defeats of the Brighton nature will give the board something to think about. If ETH does go, United HAVE to get De Zerbi!!
RdZ would be mad to move to ManU, though.
@MarcelVolker I think if he gets offered the job he takes it. Regardless of the shitty ownership, a chance to work at United is an opportunity 90% of football managers take.
De Zerbi seems like he has good talent ID. If we gave him 400 million he would win the league easily. Unlike 7hag
@@user-nd3ks4mi7b it's not de Zerbi doing the talent scouting though, that's Brighton.
@@user-nd3ks4mi7b you dont know how brighton are run do you? their owners have created an algorithm that finds the players they need based on stats and only brentford have something similar
We want more of this. More more more.
@15:46 you can hear JJ start Hoovering in the background.
Utds problem is every game they are trying to adapt to the other teams playing style, rather than being dominant and forcing them to adapt. They mention utds "agressive pressing" but did we watch the same game? Half heartly pressing like they cant be arsed
Playing as a CB was criminal i fear Ten Hag wont see XMAS at Manchester
He will but only because the Clubs board and decsion makers are completely inept and have no back up plan.
he has atleast until december next year, even if this garbage counter attacking continues
16:09 Lie! They are quite clearly struggling with being convincing with the first phase. Its not Onana's fault, teams just aren't bothering to press up, meaning there's no pass to play through. But his presence hasnt improved the buildup
Great analysis lads, but why is Michael from Vsauce reviewing football content?
,LOVE the new format
United mis The De gea cleansheets and a proper double pivot ...C18 alongside amrabat...would be great...and brighton cant play against a low block ...Everton demolised them last season...
Gent's, can you do us a video on
Who is better - Rodri or prime Busquets.
Thanks
The frame at 1:03 is whats doin it for me
"I guess I was trying to talk about Dracula but you wouldn't let me..." is the sort of football analysis I think belongs in a podcast.
He talks about football with such passion 👌
Just cutting the pod up into individual match videos. I see you
Rashford’s marking, pressing and decision making is so frustrating to watch
Another question. Why do they keep getting thrashed by Liverpool?
PLEASE 🙏 🥺 do a video for why Chelsea is not getting better
They brought in a coach who's main skill is building teams and then didnt get his input for building the team, and bought a load of expensive young players so there is very little actual experience there. It's a poorly thought out squad which won't get significantly better until they actually form a strategy for what kind of team they want to build.
How did Man U get 3rd last season?
That is the bigger question
They don't want to pod. Let them live
We desperately need the McPodcast back!
De Zerbi outsmarting ETH yet again. Shows that you don't need a big head to have big brains
Childish.
TBF. DeZerbi has had more time to emphasize his style. Unfortunately for TenHag, coaching a team like It'd or Chelsea, it's result first before style
@@rasheedamao4505what are you smoking they've been at their club for the same amount of time
Even though the manager doesn't have to players to play in the system that's not an excuse for the team not to have a formation or a style of play. United players are lost when the defenders has the ball, the midfield hides from the ball so they're forced to play the ball wide to Rashford and Antony and they are now predictable. Everyone walks around when the opposition has the ball, they dont tackle so the opposition can create chances after chances
is someone using an electric sander next door towards the end?