Mini Mill Gear Replacement - New Metal Gears for the Mini Milling Machine!

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  • In this video I show how the head on a mini mill is disassembled to replace the broken transmission gears. New metal gears are installed and the head reassembled. The metal gears are much better than the original plastic gears.
    Grease used during assembly:
    www.amsoil.com/p/synthetic-mu...
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  • @stigmautomata
    @stigmautomata 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Even these budget machines have so many parts! Newfound appreciation

  • @hillsendswe
    @hillsendswe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I don't even own a mill and i watched this to the end! Good job

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for watching and leaving a comment!!

  • @dudemiddleton16
    @dudemiddleton16 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Life saver sir!!! Great Video!!! Just what I needed to fix my mill that I've had for 3 days! lol :)

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @sgtbrown4273
    @sgtbrown4273 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You're not going to believe this, but I was just in our shop putting our grizzly lathe/mill combo back together after cleaning it up and trimming it, when I tested the mill which I never took apart. I noticed it has a winning sound. It is exactly like yours but I'm sure it has metal gears so I'm guessing a bearing is going bad. Anyway, the funny thing is your video was in my feed after I got back to by barracks and turned on my laptop. That was freaky enough, but the real interesting part is I'm stationed at Mcmurdo station Antarctica! 😆
    I was puzzled how it came apart and this was defiantly a great help! Thanks for the upload and greetings from the land of ice, darkness and questionable chow hall food!

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's a great story. Thanks for sharing! Comments like that make it all worth while!! Enjoy that equipment!

    • @bertsmith5223
      @bertsmith5223 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very good video, but a couple of points. You always press a bearing into it's housing by it's outer ring. Why not replace the original bearings with tapered roller ones.

  • @johnhiggins4698
    @johnhiggins4698 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just the video I needed! Thank you so much and especially for taking the time to show the many views of the assembly. Gave a big thumbs up and subscribed!!

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @xiethor
    @xiethor ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You have no idea how much I needed this video! My mill has been in the fully disassembled state for like a year now, and has been through a move. (God I hope I have all the pieces) the other vids a good, but this one is definitely more detailed. I have to go grab an H frame, but this video is 100% what I needed. Thanks alot man!

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to hear you find it useful! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

  • @shipsofscale
    @shipsofscale 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even though I do not have a mill like this, I learned a lot. Thanks for sharing. Very good narration.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @jeffcary37
    @jeffcary37 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just the video I was looking for! Great tutorial.

  • @leeroyfrancis9506
    @leeroyfrancis9506 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Appreciate your video, concise and nicely narrated without a lot of fluff. Thanks for posting. I have a MicroMark R8 mill that looks exactly like yours.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, I appreciate the comment!

  • @hydrolisk1792
    @hydrolisk1792 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I did the belt upgrade to my mill. I wound up removing all the gears from it for good! I wish I would have had this video when I did the Mod though because it was a bit of a pain to get the thing apart, but your video made it look super easy LOL.

  • @tarunarya1780
    @tarunarya1780 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loved the video. As someone looking into making via 3d print, cnc, milling and lathing at the cheapest cost it helps to know how it all fits together and works. Thank you. With everything what I have found hard to understand is how to try and get motors that can be used for multiple things, and how much power is needed to cut stainless/steel/wood and the power/torque needed and how much power is lost through gearing/belts

  • @steelcannibal
    @steelcannibal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Outstanding video! Wish more people did things this way.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, I appreciate the comment! Merry Christmas!!

    • @steelcannibal
      @steelcannibal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@metalwooddesign you're very welcome! And a very Merry Christmas to you as well! 😊🎄

  • @hdl4259
    @hdl4259 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A year ago I had the same problem, but I removed the transmission completely and fitted the drive with V-belts. This is a better solution and the milling machine is much quieter than before.

    • @D3rron08
      @D3rron08 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really sounds like something worth doing, do you have a video of the process?😊

  • @brandoncooper1962
    @brandoncooper1962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your video was perfect, idk if I would of ever been able to do it without having this video to go to through the process. Thanks a million my friend.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @newt2010
    @newt2010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like you self adjusting shop rag. Need to get some of this. LOL. That was great

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @daveys
    @daveys 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent video. I have a similar mill to this one and although the gears on mine seem OK at the moment, I’m sure it’s a job that I’ll need to do at some point in the future.

  • @markarita3
    @markarita3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:44 good find Sir! And nice work.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @ruidolfo9711
    @ruidolfo9711 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, once a made a gear for an identical milling machine owned by a friend, but I didn´t watch how to disassemble the entire mechanism

  • @nopriors
    @nopriors ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done!

  • @victorreppeto7050
    @victorreppeto7050 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a Wen Mill that looks just like this one. I haven't crashed it yet, knock on wood. It sure takes a lot of intimidation out of the equation when I know what everything looks like before I get started. Thank you so much for taking the time to record this in a video. If I decide to switch to metal gears I think I will add a port for oiling them. May all your projects be successful and just challenging enough to be interesting.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing. I appreciate the comment!!

    • @newt2010
      @newt2010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just bought the WEN version. How have you liked yours so far? Cheers Mike

  • @davedwyer1674
    @davedwyer1674 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent instructions and video. Fortunately for me, I only needed to replace the plastic gear on the very top. I was thinking I would need to buy a press if the inner gears were damaged

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @AGEngineering
    @AGEngineering ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did this to a mini mill I owned years ago. It worked as a solution but it made it so loud you had to wear ear defenders! I also sealed the gearbox and grease filled it in the hope of quieting it a bit, but it didn't help much. Great step by step guide for those who want to do this, thanks.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great story! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

    • @miguelcastaneda7257
      @miguelcastaneda7257 ปีที่แล้ว

      Helps if your smoth out the gears a bit too wire brush them remove sharp edges without taking any off actual gear

  • @mcnut1
    @mcnut1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good video. Thank you.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for watching and leaving a comment!

  • @steverowland1898
    @steverowland1898 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you. My mill is OK so far, but it is good to see how easy it is to replace the plastic gears.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The plastic gears will give good service if not overloaded. Mine lasted years, until one day I snagged a block of steel with a flycutter. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!

    • @bryansenulis7242
      @bryansenulis7242 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good to know

    • @steverowland1898
      @steverowland1898 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign I guess I tempted fate last week. My gears let go this afternoon while drilling a 5/8'' hole in aluminum, no shock load. I have ordered a metal set. The timing is lousy as I am in the middle of a project.

    • @steverowland1898
      @steverowland1898 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just for anyone who is interested in the bearings. The spindle bearings are already deep groove ball bearings. The lower bearing is 6007zz and the upper is 6206z. The idler shaft bearings are 6001z C3. My spindle head is all apart. I am just waiting for UPS to deliver the new metal gears. Thanks to the video, everything went well. Of all things, I had issues removing the 5mm setscrew holding the shifter arm. I tried penetrating oil, heat, impact, swearing, etc. but the Allen wrench just twisted. I ended up drilling the setscrew and removing it with an easy out. The setscrew is cone point, impossible to find locally. I will put a point on a 5mm socket head cap screw which should do the trick. The gears that failed were on the idler shaft and both sides were broken. Almost as if the shifter arm was not properly engaged. The main gears were in good shape.

    • @steverowland1898
      @steverowland1898 ปีที่แล้ว

      All back together. It is noisier than before but I can live with that. Some observations for the next guy:
      Remember to match mark the two parts of the housing before you separate them as the bolts are a loose fit and you can get misalignment at re-assembly.
      Nothing is deburred and there are cast iron particles everywhere inside. A good debur and clean is essential before it goes back together.
      Two inch pipe works well to push on the bearing outer races of the main shaft. Inch and a quarter pipe works well on the inner race of the smaller bearing on this shaft (I used ABS pipe, no problems). Various sockets from my wrench set do the trick on the idler shaft bearings.
      The main gears are a little tight on the shaft when re-assembling. I heated them with an electric blower to about 180F and they slid on without effort, no need for pushers as shown in the video. Check the alignment of the gears after assembly. My low speed gear was only 2/3 engaged when the ball was in the detent. I had to rework the detent position with a Dremel to get 100% meshing of the low speed gear. This may have been the cause of the initial failure also.
      Many thanks again to MetalWoodDesign for the great video which made my life a lot easier!

  • @dougmaz1
    @dougmaz1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I stripped so many plastic gears and burnt out a motor all I was building is small steam engines. So I got rid of it and bought a new Milling machine with a 2hp motor with lots of grunt. Now I’m happy.Doug

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Happiness is a bigger mill! Thanks for the comment!!

  • @rotorrant5867
    @rotorrant5867 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I covered the rear opening with a copper shim to prevent swarf from entering and greased all the gears. I’ve modified the whole lot to 3-axis CNC. It’s noisy but been working for a few years now.

  • @newt2010
    @newt2010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video and thank you. I have a WEN version of this and looks just like it except orange. I will keep this mind if I ever break my gears.
    I would say, someone either jammed the cutter hard, by a part coming loose or dropping the head while running, or shifting gears while running. Hope none of that happens to me. Cheers

  • @roneckhart7581
    @roneckhart7581 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I rarely comment on videos but I must say you did an outstanding job on this one! Well done. Clear, concise and excellent videography. This is what I come to TH-cam for - not jazz hands and lame jokes. Well done. (I'm now a subscriber)

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I appreciate the comment!!

    • @G58
      @G58 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign Where did you get the metal gears from? Did I miss that detail?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

    • @G58
      @G58 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign The perfect name for the business. Thank you for sharing. That’s very helpful. Are they working out okay?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Works great. A bit more noise, but that's OK.

  • @growleym504
    @growleym504 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video. I just an hour ago busted the plastic drive gear on top of the gearhead. I totally agree that this is a perfect place to have a failure point because it is dead easy to get at. I will probably end up replacing the internal plastic gears with metal, though, at some point, but I need to get the plastic drive gear now so I can finish my project. My machine is apparently a Sieg X2 or clone, the WEN 33013. Big Orange. My lathe is Big Blue, the Vevor 7 x 12 I think it is. I will probably upgrade its gears, too. Both machines have served me well for a couple of years now, just making parts and doodads for house and boat.
    Honestly, making a full set of gears should have been my first milling project. Now, I got too many other jobs waiting to do.
    Again, great vid, thumbs up, thanks for posting.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the comment! Have fun with the mill!!

  • @RustyInventions-wz6ir
    @RustyInventions-wz6ir 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very nice work.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @shanejudd126
    @shanejudd126 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My gears just went today flycutting aluminium so I'm going to have to replace them so thank you for the video.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching. Flycutting is what took mine out. The metal gears are well worth putting in. Best to you.

  • @dennisyoung4631
    @dennisyoung4631 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What size is the PVC fitting used to press in the top bearing on the main shaft? (At, or around 18:50 in the Vid.)
    I’m thinking it’s 1 inch schedule 40. Is it? Gotten to that point in the reassembly, and I’ll need to go buy one - or make a substitute out of Delrin (during 100+ heat wave, without AC).
    Addendum to above: 1 inch schedule 40 does work.

  • @TorteTS
    @TorteTS ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good explanation.
    When mounting the ball bearing in the housing, is it better to press the outer rings?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, just press on the outer race so there's not undo side load stress on the bearing.

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN
    @DANTHETUBEMAN 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You got a Rock crusher two speed now 😁🤠

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for watching! Great comment!!

  • @anthonymarino4260
    @anthonymarino4260 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    well done

  • @jamesmcdevitt9518
    @jamesmcdevitt9518 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One point about bolting the two main assemblies back together. The spindle/motor block needs to be EXACTLY parallel to the gibb block. If not, the spindle will be canted of at an angle from the Z axis of motion. It might have been a good idea to "chisel/scribe" mating marks on the mated sides of these two blocks as originally attached.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Including witness marks is a good idea. Always want to put things back like they were. Thanks for the comment!

    • @bryansenulis7242
      @bryansenulis7242 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tell him this machine has 10 thousands tolerance in every direction factory/stock.....he being bit overboard....

    • @bryansenulis7242
      @bryansenulis7242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rip chips and make it happen...we use Stanly tape measure not micrometer to get stuff exact....

  • @tymz-r-achangin
    @tymz-r-achangin ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nicely detailed video but would have obviously been nice if you turned on the machine so we could hear the difference in sound between the original plastic gears and the new metal gears. We also gotta wonder why no grease is being used on the gears.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      The gears were well lubed with grease before reassembly. The metal gears are a bit noisier, but I do love the sound of straight cut gears! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

  • @platin2148
    @platin2148 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks basically exactly like the mini lathe casting..
    Are these just normal ball bearings? Hope they are at least V type..

  • @hntbambi
    @hntbambi 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video, clean and precise. My only critique is why didn't you upgrade the bearings when you had it apart?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They were still OK and I'm kinda cheap. The same bearings continue working OK today. Thanks for watching. I appreciate the comment!

  • @adolfobonciani6750
    @adolfobonciani6750 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    complimenti, video ben fatto e molto tile. Ho la stessa cinesina con gli stessi problemi. Grazie

  • @unkjason
    @unkjason ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't do machine work. And probably never will. But I love watching it. Especially when someone is explaining what they are doing. I have a question, why did you not go ahead and replace the last plastic gear?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The plastic gear on top is easy to get to and would be the part that breaks should a cutter snag or have a sudden overload for any reason. Thank you for watching and leaving a question!

    • @unkjason
      @unkjason ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign cleaver. Sort of like the brass gear in a distributor.

  • @dennisyoung4631
    @dennisyoung4631 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Questions: 1) how much force was needed on the hydraulic press, and 2) the brand of grease for the gears?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It doesn't take a lot of force, but you do need a press so it can be done in a controlled manner, and variety of pieces to press with, like PVC fittings.
      I used a general purpose synthetic grease. Link is below if you want to check it out.
      www.amsoil.com/p/synthetic-multi-purpose-grease-nlgi-2-glc/?zo=5265385
      Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @RobertShepherd-zk1kv
    @RobertShepherd-zk1kv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the same mill and I need to know where you got the metal gears cause mine broke tonight. This video was spot on, great presentation.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thank you for watching. I appreciate the comment!

    • @RobertShepherd-zk1kv
      @RobertShepherd-zk1kv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign Do you have a part number? I have been searching the web and cannot find them, even on Little machineshop site, still searching and the gear that I broke is the plastic one you did not replace. My machine came from Harbor Freight and is a central machine shop. exactly like yours but red. thanks for your help.

    • @RobertShepherd-zk1kv
      @RobertShepherd-zk1kv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign Do you have a part number? I have been searching the web and cannot find them, even on Little machineshop site, still searching and the gear that I broke is the plastic one you did not replace. My machine came from Harbor Freight and is a central machine shop. exactly like yours but red. thanks for your help.

    • @RobertShepherd-zk1kv
      @RobertShepherd-zk1kv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I found my part number, thank you. now to find the drive gear.

  • @Bianchi77
    @Bianchi77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Creative video, thanks :)

  • @gvet47
    @gvet47 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm surprised the input plastic gear did not fail first. I put the metal gears in my metal lathe but they actually had more backlash and noisier so wish I had left the plastic in as they were fine. Just watched too many wasted video on it. but I did put in sealed angular contact bearings for a true improvement.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The plastic gears did last for many years, until one day flycutting a block of steel. Thanks for the comment!

    • @dennisyoung4631
      @dennisyoung4631 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In my case, it was a slotting saw - they tend to be a bit out of round... Now I think my low speed gear is missing a tooth or similar. High speed sounds like usual. I got the mill in 2005 or so, so the plastic gears have had a good run.
      Will get the metal gears, new bearings, etc next year…

  • @btmachinist6085
    @btmachinist6085 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice content👍

  • @alessandroandrenacci2372
    @alessandroandrenacci2372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much for your usefull video. I'm going to buy a similar mill, and - having already experienced with the gears of my lathe ( broken as usual it happens to be, and changed myself with steel gears modulo 2 - not original but machined with my lathe with the remaing functional speed till functioning ) ... then i think i'll have to do that work again on the mill ...
    At that time i had no idea were get spare parts, then i decided to install modulo 2 gears ... 13 + 33 for lover speed, and 23 + 23 for higher speed ... they ... fitted !!!
    Do you know if Little Machine Company can supply parts into Europe ?
    So i can begin with ordering the needed spare parts ... in Italy we said "to buy the whip first, and the horse later ... "
    My best regards ...

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great story, thanks for sharing! I don't know specifics about their shipping but a quick check of their website (littlemachineshop.com) says they ship to many parts of the world. Thanks again for watching and leaving a comment!!

    • @danilomonti4199
      @danilomonti4199 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ciao Alessandro , hai trovato i ricambi in metallo ?

    • @alessandroandrenacci2372
      @alessandroandrenacci2372 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danilomonti4199 veramente la fresa non l'ho più comprata, un po' per la spesa, poca ma - essendo solo per hobby - non strettamente necessaria, ma anche perchè non saprei dove metterla, a meno di non disfarmi ( sigh ! ) di un trapanino Proxxon TBH che ho sul banco ... la fresa penso lo potrebbe sostituire abbastanza bene, ma darlo via - dopo anni di onorato servizio ... mi repelle !!!
      Comunque molti ricambi ed ingranaggi ( anche per fare filettature particolari al tornio ) li ho presi da Ali-Express, se ti serve qualche informazione fammi sapere ...
      Ma tu hai un tornio, o una fresa ? Il mio tornio è un simil-cinese, sistemato da me quasi bene ... quasi perfetto oserei dire ... è tipo un C2 Sieg ...

    • @danilomonti4199
      @danilomonti4199 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alessandroandrenacci2372 ho una fresa la solita cineasta , ma andava bene, poi l’ho forzata e gli ingranaggi essendo in plastica sono andati… riesci ad aiutarmi a trovarli in metallo , io non riesco forse perché non parlo inglese se non con il traduttore😂

  • @ToreDL87
    @ToreDL87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thx! I needed this, tool holder stuck inside the spindle (MT3 on mine) 🤣
    "Don't buy old big, buy new small" is what I kept hearing from TH-camrs so that's what I bought, now I'm in a qualified position to say they're proverbially full of it.
    Before I bought it I wish I'd known how kinda bad this mini mill is. On mine the Z-axis fine adjuster is an utter pig to contend with.
    The X-axis ways are too tight in the middle so I guess they foresaw wear, issue is when I loosen the gibs, they slip out at both ends.
    Tramming it in the Y-axis isn't all that easy either, and in general any sort of precision from factory = Forget about it.
    All of this can be easily fixed, and I am, but, wish I bought a cheaper, old big mill that I likely would have only had to give a slight service/rebuild & some small fixes to get a FAR more capable and durable machine.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You got it, older and bigger, biggest you can get away with. It is fussy, and there's a fine line between getting the play out of the X/Y screws and locking it up. It's a small cheep Chinese machine that needs to be used within its limits. Mine's got an R8 like Bridgeport, but you need to have some restraint as the plastic gears will break. If/when that happens definitely go with the metal gears. Thanks for the comment! Have fun with your projects!!

  • @philflip1963
    @philflip1963 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That remaining plastic gear is certainly a weak point it would be nice to be able to replace that also!
    A good tweek to improve this mill is to place some shim washers between the rack and column which reduces the backlash in the vertical microadjustment knob but be carefull not to use shims that are too thick since this will damage the teeth of the rack and pinion. 0.6mm worked for me.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good tip, thanks for sharing! The one remaining plastic gear is easy to get to. That's the part that gives way (hopefully) if something snags hard under power.

    • @ikasriel
      @ikasriel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That last plastic gear is essentially acting as a fuse. If anything goes wrong, it will be the first one to go, protecting the rest of the gears from damage.

  • @garymucher4082
    @garymucher4082 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video for sure and I bet the metal gears will work tons better as well. They may make a little more noise running, but you are not going to break the teeth off them easy. I have to ask, if you had to do over, would you buy the same mini-mill? I ask because I am looking to get a bench top mill and wanted to know how well you like this one... Thumbs Up!

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Like anything, it depends what you're going to do with it. It is a handy little mill and does a good job operating within its limits. There are a lot of similar ones so parts shouldn't be an issue. Everything is a compromise, but for something like a milling machine, if I were to get another, I would tend to lean towards the best one that I could afford, have room for and are capable of moving. Great question! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

  • @MrMattydavee
    @MrMattydavee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Should have replaced those bearings too. With some taper rollers or angular contact. That head stock is almost identical to a mini latte head stock

  • @raystevens687
    @raystevens687 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hay I think your doing a great job. But I noticed that you didn't put any grease on the shaft that the gears ride on will they be ok with out the grease and also I was wondering if you need a little grease on the gears ⚙️ them selfs.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      All the metal to metal moving parts were well lubed with grease, including the shafts, shifter fork, detents and gears. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!

  • @raystevens687
    @raystevens687 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was wondering if you where going to put a little grease on those new gears ⚙️

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The gears and everything that turns or slides in there is greased. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!

  • @Myrulv
    @Myrulv วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice video! Why not replace all plastic gears, and may be bearings?

  • @markdresser8592
    @markdresser8592 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very useful reference as I have the same machine branded Busy Bee and the plastic gears seem to be a common point of failure. It hasn't happened to me yet-- but can to tell me where you sourced the steel gears?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @billdoodson4232
    @billdoodson4232 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Interesting little upgrade. But a couple of comments, based on personal experience. It didn't look like you put new bearings in, in particular the bottom main bearing. I would always fit new bearings if I was stripping something down this far, in the great scheme of things it does not add a vast amount to the cost on something like this (lathe headstock bearings would be a different issue). I'd put in a decent set of SKF, Timkin or NSK and possibly change the bottom bearing to an angular contact bearing if ones not already fitted, space allowing. When pressing bearings in push in on the race which is being fitted to the shaft or housing. Don't press the outer race in to the housing by pushing on the inner race. This can cause brinnelling by having the balls press small dents in the bearing surfaces, leading to premature bearing failure. When pushing a bearing onto a shaft and into a housing at the same time, use a large thick "washer" to push both races at the same time. I'd probably replace all the other bearings at the same time, just to know they were decent.
    The last bearings I replaced were on the Dyson vacuum cleaner brush bar. A new brush bar was £30 odd and two bearings were £3.50ish. The difference in noise levels was worth it alone.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the tips! I appreciate you watching the video and leaving a comment!!

    • @Mikesmeyer88
      @Mikesmeyer88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think that's where most people run into issues with these. They just get it, half ass clean it n fire it up, with dirt probably all in it. I have a pretty good plan for when mine arrives, probably just spend a week cleaning it.

    • @billdoodson4232
      @billdoodson4232 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mikesmeyer88 I think you are right. Anything with bearings needs to be clean. When I got my small mill the first thing I did was drain the old oil, fill it with cheap oil to run and flush, drain that overnight and then fill with the good stuff. While that was going on I could clean and lube the rest.

  • @MrRichardBenton
    @MrRichardBenton ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video and I have the same mill and was wondering where you ordered the metal gears from please

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com
      I used a high quality general purpose synthetic grease during assembly. Here’s a link to that item if you're curious:
      www.amsoil.com/p/synthetic-multi-purpose-grease-nlgi-2-glc/?zo=5265385
      Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @newt2010
    @newt2010 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would of liked to hear it run.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It will probably show up in another video eventually. Love that straight cut gear whine!

  • @silicon.alchemist
    @silicon.alchemist ปีที่แล้ว

    Surprised to see that that casting is identical to a mini lathe, with the exception of the grooves for the ways. I agree with the others that mentioned replacing the bearings. The bearings that come with those are complete crap, it would have made a huge difference to put angular contact bearings on the spindle, and some name brand 6001's on the jack shaft.

  • @bryansenulis7242
    @bryansenulis7242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know about these mills but I watched whole darn thing yet not own a mill. Want to buy a bigger performance Matthew 7something series. The pm brand. But great video...thanks from Houston TX brother

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @MichaelMacGyver
    @MichaelMacGyver ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job, I was a little surprised that you didn't replace the bearings while you had it all apart (saving yourself some potential hassle in the future).

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The bearings looked OK, besides I'm kinda cheap. Thanks for watching! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @twm929
    @twm929 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Enjoyed the video. Just was wondering since you had it torn down why you didn't replace all the bearing and left the one plastic gear? Just asking to learn. Thank you.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The bearings were still good, and I'm cheap, so they were reused. Still in service today. The one remaining plastic gear is the failure point, or fuse in the system. It's also easy to get to. That's what gives if something gets jammed. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

    • @twm929
      @twm929 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@metalwooddesign thank you for sharing your thought process for that upgrade. Sharing like that is how we learn from each other. Where is the best place to get the metal gears ?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com That would be the first place to check. They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks and have fun with your project!

    • @twm929
      @twm929 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@metalwooddesign it is nice to see that we shop at the same place. Looking forward to seeing more videos.

  • @Craigrobbo2k7
    @Craigrobbo2k7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey dude thanks!
    Where did you get the metal gears from?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @provenancemachining
    @provenancemachining ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It may or may not have already been said, but keep in mind that using all metal gears will shift the stress of force directly to the motor in the event of a bind or overload. Ironically, the original plastic gears breaking prevents that from happening. A belt drive conversion is really the only permanent fix to both problems, since it's much easier to deal with a broken\slipped belt than broken gears or a burnt out motor. After owning a more common Sieg X2D variant for roughly 2 years now, I'm going to upgrade to an LMS 3990 instead since a solid column and belt drive should really be required on these benchtop mills.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the feedback! There's one plastic gear left on top driven by the motor gear. That's easier to replace and will be the part that gives if (when) it gets into a jam again.

    • @ChristopherJones16
      @ChristopherJones16 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Sieg X2D also has a solid column... Are you sure you dont have the Harbor Freight Mini Mill? Its not the same as the X2D.. HF has a tilting column and not a solid column whereas the LMS Sieg X2D has a solid column. They may look alike but theyre slightly different. If a solid column is all youre after then buy a LMS Sieg X2D for $800.

  • @larrybud
    @larrybud 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:40, shouldn't you use the outer bearing race to be pressing the bearing in?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The bearing fit very snug on the shaft and easy into the pocket, thus it was pressed on the inner race. Thanks for watching, and in detail! I appreciate the the comment!!

  • @brandoncooper1962
    @brandoncooper1962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I ordered all my gears separately to save money which really wasn't much, my concern is on the larger 2 gears the set with the spacer on yours well mine came all 1 piece so I'm concerned it's not going to work. What my concern is the gear dimensions are perfect but because they are all 1 piece the bore is the same inner diameter as the smaller one and my original plastic gears the biggest one has a slightly bigger bore diameter.

  • @arduinomaquinas
    @arduinomaquinas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like 1.5K + subscribed 👏👏👏

  • @brainsironically
    @brainsironically ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you get the new gears from? Was it in the vid and I missed it?
    Very educational vid. I've been itching to get one of these mills for years. I might just have to do it one of these days before I'm too old to play with it.
    First thing I'll make will be a new set of gears! lol ;)

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

    • @brainsironically
      @brainsironically ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign Thanks!

  • @Gauge1LiveSteam
    @Gauge1LiveSteam ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have part numbers for the replacements? My son's Grizzly is starting to whine. Suspect we'll need to do this

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

    • @Gauge1LiveSteam
      @Gauge1LiveSteam ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalwooddesign I've bought stuff from them. Good outfit. Thanks.

  • @sergiocantoli5783
    @sergiocantoli5783 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m curious about if the machine got quieter after the change.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Noisier, but far better than the deafening silence of a broken machine.

  • @rickhalverson2252
    @rickhalverson2252 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video. Quick tip. NEVER press out bearings like that. If you press on the inside and the outer is causing friction.. You will indent the ball bearings into the race. The bearing will go bad shortly.
    It may not be a sealed gearbox.. Grease is your friend. It's tacky and provides good lubrication forever.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was that one bearing that fit tight on shaft, loose in the pocket, thus pressing on the inner race. Thanks for watching, and in great detail! I appreciate the comment!!

  • @donaldsayers4967
    @donaldsayers4967 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey what does it sound like with the new gears?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You get a good old straight cut gear whine. Way better than the silence of broken plastic gears, Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @josephlaw4301
    @josephlaw4301 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, my name is Joseph Law. I have just watched your video replacing the plastic gears with metal ones I am just wondering where you got them from please I have got the same machine as you so I’m just wondering if you could tell me where you got them please

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks and have fun with your project!

  • @A.N.T-fw1gd
    @A.N.T-fw1gd ปีที่แล้ว

    Buenas noches compañero me llamo Antonio y soy de España, tengo la misma mini fresadora me podrías decir donde compro los piñones metálicos muchas gracias

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @RussellHoughton
    @RussellHoughton 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you know if the gears are still available

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com That would be the first place to check. They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching!!

  • @tv-pp
    @tv-pp ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the dimensions of the key in the remaining plastic gear? Or where can i find one? Its not listed in the spare parts of the grizzly i bought

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In that case one solution is to grab whatever parts you have with the keyway and head to your local hardware store that has the drawers with parts like keys in every shape and size. Then search until you find the one that's just right.

    • @tv-pp
      @tv-pp ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@metalwooddesign thanks

  • @dennisyoung4631
    @dennisyoung4631 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mine just *CRUNCHED!* not ten minutes ago!
    Note that I’ve had the machine since 2005 or so…

  • @ButchOchs
    @ButchOchs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where did you purchase the new steel gears ?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @user-hj8kq1lj1z
    @user-hj8kq1lj1z ปีที่แล้ว +1

    По английски духа не понимаю,но я инженер . Он только со смазкой оси ручки переключения скоростей ошибся,но вернулся и исправился. А вообще молодец!

  • @dougdearinger5837
    @dougdearinger5837 ปีที่แล้ว

    And where did you get the metal gear

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @bogdanwisniewski3852
    @bogdanwisniewski3852 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it would be a good idea to put grease on the gears?!

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely! The gears, shafts and other metal to metal were well greased before going back into service. Thanks for watching!!

  • @philflip1963
    @philflip1963 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please tell us where we can obtain the gear set.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @abdelesmat660
    @abdelesmat660 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi, where can i got those gears in meetal can you please let me know thank you

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @darrylwhitman8475
    @darrylwhitman8475 ปีที่แล้ว

    where did you get the metal gear at???

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @MrSneakyGunz
    @MrSneakyGunz ปีที่แล้ว

    I went with LittleMachineShop's Belt Drive and Air Spring Kit. (Part Number: 5069) ~$200usd. No more gears or torsion spring. Much nicer.

  • @AntonioHernandez-rh3wx
    @AntonioHernandez-rh3wx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This guy's voice reminds me of a knife maker named Walter.

  • @andreynesterenko4176
    @andreynesterenko4176 ปีที่แล้ว

    where did you get the metal gears

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @vepeterPierre
    @vepeterPierre 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where did you purchase your metal gears?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @guzmansantosaronibarrrios7159
    @guzmansantosaronibarrrios7159 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Un video ilustrativo , gracias profe x mostrar para los amantes de máquinas herramientas.
    Lo k no me kedó claro es el piñón de teflón k función cumple , i x k no lo cambió con metal tratado .
    Saludos desde Sicuani Perú 🇵🇪

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The plastic gear on top is easy to get to and would be the part that breaks should a cutter snag or have a sudden overload for any reason. Thank you for watching and leaving a comment!

  • @derekm7694
    @derekm7694 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Were do you get the metal gears

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @SethKotta
    @SethKotta ปีที่แล้ว

    Video: *shows how to disassemble a mini milling machine step by step.*
    Me, who doesn't own a mill or anything like it: "Hmmm, yes, interesting."

  • @danilomonti4199
    @danilomonti4199 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a link to buy the gear? Thank you

    • @danilomonti4199
      @danilomonti4199 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are the ones you put in iron?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      They're steel gears. Good quality, pleased with the outcome. Thanks.

  • @rayherriott6517
    @rayherriott6517 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get the metal gears?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @5eZa
    @5eZa 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    press the bearing from the outer ring not the inner one. you can damage the bearing pressing it from the inner one

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Generally, yes the outer race. There was a bearing that fit very snug on the shaft and easy into the pocket, thus it was pressed on the inner race. Thanks for watching, and in detail! I appreciate the the comment!!

  • @cokhichetao72
    @cokhichetao72 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍

  • @dennissheridan1550
    @dennissheridan1550 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I am surprised you didn't remove the last weak link by replacing the last plastic gear with a belt drive conversion, you will be in the near future. 😊

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That will be easier to get at and install. Thanks for the encouragement!

    • @asakayosapro
      @asakayosapro ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would think to keep that one plastic, buy a bunch of them in packs of 10, and keep the metal version on hand for the more demanding jobs when the plastic simply won’t do. That way, it keeps the motor from getting seized and breaking the electronics, which are a pain to find spares for.
      But in my case, I have plans to combine the high n low speed gearing AND the belt drive modification from LMS, which will entail making an extended and keyed idler shaft adapter plus a third bearing, elevating the adjustable tension style motor mount to clear the spindle cover, and adding a future mounting option for a power drawbar - all while keeping the spindle lock capability. Essentially four speeds in one machine.

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely a good idea to have spare plastic motor gears. Easy to change if something needs to give. Thanks for the comment!

    • @peterbuxton8176
      @peterbuxton8176 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, definitely switch to the belt drive, whole different world. Great video either way. You have a new sub, keep up the great content 😊

    • @Mikesmeyer88
      @Mikesmeyer88 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@asakayosapro i just had that idea, keeping the gears i just added noise. So you woulda 3rd bearing? I want sure that was right. I have the mill & belt kit cant i just remove the gears and use the belt to the spindle? I think a gears broken in mine, its loud as hell. If i could just attach to the spindle and use better bearings you would even know ir was on. Probably just remove where the bearings stop and use heavier top and bottom bearings. Be more ridged too. Lmk if you have an idea

  • @theq-1
    @theq-1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do you get the gears from ?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!!

  • @swflscratcher5893
    @swflscratcher5893 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do they use plastic gears?
    Had to exchange my mini mill twice… gears snap face milling 1/8th inch!

  • @danluther9078
    @danluther9078 ปีที่แล้ว

    You went through all the trouble of getting new cast iron replacement gears, but didn't replace the bearings?

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  ปีที่แล้ว

      The bearings were good. They'll still good now. And I'm kinda frugal. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

  • @davenewman8675
    @davenewman8675 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where did you get the metal gears

    • @metalwooddesign
      @metalwooddesign  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got the gear set from www.littlemachineshop.com They've got parts for many different brands of the similar machines. Thanks for watching and leaving a question!

    • @davenewman8675
      @davenewman8675 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks appreciate it