Exactly what I would do. Then warp to a safe distance and watch the aftermath on long range scanners. But I'd prefer to teleport the torpedo into their weapons bay so you can watch them panic onscreen. Lol. May the trek be with you. ☺
How creative. Nobody ever mentioned that. And it is based on the undisputable assumption that this would work, that you actually CAN beam anything through the walls of a Star Destroyer.
come to think of Kirk's Enterprise tanked several shots from a weapon known as The Doomsday machine that destroyed planets and the Enterprise E shields would be far stronger than the old constitution class
Bingo. It's not even a contest, to be honest. EVERY major technology area, sensors, propulsion, weapons, and shielding/armor types is FAR more advanced on federation star ships over the Empire. Insanely more advanced isn't an exaggeration. Sensors of a federation starship can give you the EXACT count of life forms on a planet while even moderate cloud cover renders Empire technology useless for intelligence gathering without sending in drones. The OLDEST version of Enterprise, NX-01, is already MANY hundreds of times faster than the fastest Star Wars vessel ever shown on the big screen. Warp 3 is 487 times the speed of light, let that sink in... While Star Trek's weaponry is using quantum level effects to break down the very matter of an enemy target, Star Wars tech is shooting lasers, which even in TOS Star Trek were considered to be useless against modern shielding. Lastly, shields... Star Trek's shields are regularly beat on by weapons that would destroy the Death Star in a single shot including Colbolt weapons that can crack planets only reducing shields by 10% or less... That same hit would bust the Death Star wide open. Even the Death Star's super laser couldn't penetrate the Enterprise's shields... It's a LASER, no matter how you cut it, and photon weaponry is considered old school and outdated in Star Trek. Meanwhile a single quantum torpedo would rip through the surface of the Death Star like paper, possibly coring the whole thing in a single shot. It's just not an even comparison... Person to person, Star Wars has the advantage with the Force, Sith, and Jedi... But Federation personnel have faced off against Q himself and come out on top before. Pretty sure they could handle Darth Vader fine.
@@gregorymanning6201 Uh, no. Star trek beats star wars in almost every respect, but SW ships are definitely faster. Trips are made from the galactic core to the outer rim all the time, like it's no big deal. Wasn't there an entire show about how star trek ships take SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS to cross the galaxy?
Leif Fitzsimmons Frey Wrong. They come from a tiny ass galaxy is why they get around so fast. They clearly speak of light speed as a high end... that is WAY below ST speeds. Actual light speed is MENTIONED directly at SW and barely making points above that. If you are going on FAN FICTION that tries to explain away their mention of light speed as "slang", that is unsupported horseshit from fans, NOT canon supported in any way.
@@leiffitzsimmonsfrey1272 In "A New Hope" Han Solo brags about the Millennium Falcon supposedly the fastest ship in the Star Wars universe being able to to do .5 past light speed... which is hundreds of times slower than Star Trek... There is a specific formula to warp speeds, Google it, apparently these guys never have. If Star Wars ships can cross the galaxy in days that galaxy far far away is obviously a much smaller one.
Need I remind you Trekkie childmolesters that they took out that self same planet breaker... with a 50 megaton bomb... Yet the older enterprise totally is planet busting in complete defiance of every single other instance we've seen it where that power would have been useful and in character to use.
Heheh. That is correct. Star Wars tends to be a bit wonky when using the term laser. SW lasers aren't true lasers as we would know them. When they say lasers, more often then not they're referring to blaster bolt. What blaster bolts are is pretty vague but in essence a blaster bolt is just intense plasma energy. While operating under the same principles of a laser with the plasma energy focused and concentrated into a beam particle, blaster bolts are slow (about as fast as a nerf dart slow (give or take, I might be wrong)), making them easy to dodge. And they're as accurate as a smooth bore musket, a clumsy and random weapon. Now blasters are you're standard small arms weapons. Lasers are more like the blaster equivalent of a heavy machine gun or light cannon. And Turbolasers and Heavy Turbolasers are the big ship-to-ship guns. But, yeah, it's stupid that SW calls something a laser when it really isn't a laser.
@@chadsmith8966 Yea, I get what you're saying. The biggest question I have though, if all that you said is correct, is it a strong enough yield to penetrate ship wide defensive shielding? (Forget the smartass comment about navigational shields) Which given the Federation's advancement in technology is said to be among the strongest, or at minimum comparable to the shield strength of the Romulan Star Empire.
@@AustinFan4Life Honestly.... I don't know. I would think that blasters and "lasers" being the smallest of this weapon type would do next to little to the shields. The bigger ones like turbolasers and heavy turbolasers might do something. Another thing to consider is that damage yield from blasters vary depending on quality and other additives. Red bolts the cheapest (and poorest in quality) while green bolts produce the highest damage yield. And blue bolts are made with charged ions, making them more potent against shields. However, given that an imperial star destroyers has about 60 turbolaser and heavy turbolaser turrents (that shoot green bolts), any vessel would be hard pressed to maintain shields under such a barrage. As fire potential firepower... ISDs are often used in planetary bombardments to terrifying effect. Another way to look at blaster bolts is that they're similar to but exactly like Klingon disrupters.
@@chadsmith8966 But even Klingon disruptors have a hard time penetrating Federation shielding, without knowing the shield modulation frequency, to adjust their weapons to.
@@AustinFan4Life But Klingon vessels don't have 60 disruptor turrents... joking aside. That was a plot point for the Duras Sisters, which if I recall, they needed the frequency for their torpedo to bypass the Enterprise's shields. Admittedly, yeah a single disruptor shot ain't taking down a Federation shield all by its lonesome. It will take a lot of disruptor fire/heavy turbolaser fire to bring down the Enterprise's shields, which is what an ISD is kinda designed for. Generally speaking, vessels in Star Trek don't have one continuous bubble like shield but a series of projectors that encase the ship from all sides. This makes Star Fleet ships a pain in the butt because if, say the port side shield is weakening/failing, the crew can redirect power from the other shields to the port side. Also, unlike the Klingons, an ISD has Ion Cannon as well. These are like EMP shots, wrecking havoc to electrical equipment and disrupting shields in general.
Thrawn would be too slow to react. All the federation ship would have to do is to teleport a fully armed photon torpedo into the weapons bay of any star wars ship, warp to a safe distance, and then watch the aftermath on long range scanners. May the trek be with you. Your welcome. ☺
@@clarkstrange2142 so are certain Trek lasers. The episode where Picard states that is when the enemy ship is using pulsed laser weaponry, similar to what Star Wars uses.
Homeless End I still believe Star Wars lasers wouldn’t be rendered useless against Trek ships as it isn’t simply a mining laser. Plus the Borg were shown to use a cutting laser on a Federation ship, so I think a Star Destroyer’s turbolasers (plasma weapons) would be affective. The disadvantage is the range of fire
@@clarkstrange2142 wrong. The borg used a cutting beam that can cut through nearly anything and at first didnt work because the shields of the enterprise were still up. If amything, that was more of a surgical tool than a weapon. Turbolasers are not that powerful, just look at Rebels Zero Hour bombardment and the series finale bombardment. Those shots arent as powerful at all and are comparable to modern day artillery. Standard Trek weapons on the other hand have shown to slag continents. Watch the Star Trek shorts episode Children of Mars, where a few hacked patrol ships and orbital weapons use phasers and photon torpedoes to destroy the surface of Mars in a matter of seconds
Homeless End there are levels of yields for turbolasers and proton torpedoes. They can definitely be more powerful than modern artillery. Star destroyers can orbitally bombard cities and even whole planets into slag. Granted the destroyers need a few hours but when it’s an entire surface of a planet it makes sense. That is until inevitably weapons such as the Xyston-Class have the ability to completely destroy entire planets in seconds. I’ve learned that Star Wars and Star Trek are pretty evenly matched, but there isn’t one that really supersedes another, that being said, since the Star Wars galaxy has had wars for thousands of years the numbers of the Empire likely outclass the Federation. No hate, this is my take. Peace.
Warf - "Captain, we're being hailed." Picard - "On screen." Vader - "If you knew the power of the Darkside!" I'm sorry, that was stupid AF but funny AF. AND very nicely edited!!
I'm sorry but the idea Troi's parlor trick of empathy would even slow down Vader's command of the force is downright silly. Her mother or a more powerful psychic MAYBE but yeah I don't think she'd have the juice.
I wonder how Kes from Voyager would handle Vader? I mean, the Kes that could instantly and effortlessly cause multiple people brain hemorrhages, de-materialize duranium, and psychokinetically toss starships thousands of light years away. I know she isn't on the Enterprise E, but people rarely consider the extremely powerful psychokinetic species of Trek when imagining Star Wars vs Star Trek.
Apparently this guy never watched TNG Lasers couldn't penetrate the Enterprise-D's shields and the E without any doubt has better shields. The Star Destroyer was never a threat to the Enterprise. One Photon Torpedo and it would be gone. End of story
Vader makes a spectacular commander, so long as you can fulfill his orders. Even if it was for the sake of the audience, he would always make the reasons behind his actions very clear to the admirals.
The original Connie would be more than a match for wars ships. Also thanks to McCoy's inculcation against force like powers the entire crew would be immune to Vader's cheap magic tricks. Also with as fast as tng era ships are they would have no issue keeping their distance and firing at 300k meters away. They would have destroyed vader's pizza slice of a ship in minutes.
Given that you only had 3 movies to choose your Trek clips from, this is a very well put together story. All power to clever editing! And hurry up with part 2 please ;-)
I know he's not as well known, but Thrawn would have been a better opponent to command the SD for this match. ST captains often win by out thinking their opponents and that's how Thrawn preferred to operate as well. Vader usually opted for overwhelming force over clever tactics. I think the Enterprise might win not because of their tech, but because it has the better crew.
"Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields." - Picard Lasers have no power limit. The Death Star for example uses a laser to destroy planets. The Borg Cube's cutting beam was also a laser. It's possible that the Empire developed laser weaponry past the point where the Federation abandoned the technology in favor of other energy weapons. But we don't know.
Marcos Rios I concur. The closest I can come to the power of a turbolaser in Star Trek are the pulsed plasma disruptor beams used by the Romulans. These weapons were exceptionally good at bringing down Federation shields. I also like the fact that they are always green!
1 thing I really liked about this was not anything about Star Trek, but it was about how Star Wars was around during the time of the dinosaurs, and that's how humans got on the earth.
The Problem is, that there was a part in Next Generation, were the Enterprise got shot over several hours from an underdeveloped species with Lasers. In this part they said that Lasers won't work against Enterprises shields. So... Easy win for Enterprise?
Except the weapons in starwars aren’t lasers. They’re plasma weapons. They’re called lasers, because back in the day, it was lasers. Just the terminology in universe never changed. For example, back when turbo lasers were first designed and put projectile weapons out of commission, they were laser weapons. But by the time of the clone wars, these “turbo lasers” stopped being lasers and now were plasma. It’s like the howitzer. Modern howitzers aren’t muzzle loaded, cast iron, cannons. But complex breach loading, rifled guns. But we still call them howitzers
He came back around 2385 to 2387 but likely before that. He became the Captain of the Enterprise E since at this point Picard became the Ambassador to Vulcan. Edit: that still takes place after the events of this current battle.
And in the books/comics, it came back alive when its main memory/data/knowledge took overs B4 own mind (with help from Geordi...)...he literally became Data again....Cop out, I know...
for those that are saying that a SD Shields are weak need to remember that in the ESB, we see an SD get destroyed when an asteriod crashes into the bridge but that SD had been in the field for days getting hit by many asteriods. in return of the Jedi Admiral ackbar even said focus all firepower on the super star destroyer, you also see in the movie that the engines have already been damaged and because of that it crashed into the Death Star which destroyed it. i believe if it didn't crash it could have survived. the weapons shields in Star wars can also disrupt transporter technology just because of the way they work, which we all know transporter technology is highly interfered with.
sorry bro but is real easy to figure out ST tech is waaaaay more advanced than SW. almost any ST vessel would smash a star destroyer, perhaps even a shuttlecraft or runabout lol. its easily established Star Trek technology is leauges ahead of Star Wars. SW uses lazers which wouldnt even dent the 'navigational' deflector let alone the actuall shields. ST uses phaser technology which we can reasonably assume is farfar more powerful. Not to mention all the other technology that is clearly more advanced in ST....transporters, holodecks and replicators etc. th-cam.com/video/w4JUxQe4P4g/w-d-xo.html
aleckto28 Lasers are beams in Star Wars episode 5 we can also see a Star Destroyer melt down a asteorid which means that it isn't lasers and some Star Wars fans says that it is plasma which makes much more sense
@Clash Gamer Too bad Lucas doesn't share your definition of what his lasers are. He wasn't big on the science of his fiction. He just wanted to tell his story, and explaining his tech was not an issue for him. Lasers were what he knew. Until Disney establishes that "laser" is just a colloquial word for plasma weapons, they're just lasers that are poorly animated as lasers. Oh and as a reminder of how many fucks Disney gives about tech making sense. In TLJ energy bolts from the Supremacy could be clearly seen going over the Raddus then "dropping" to hit the ship for no reason. Also one of the main plot points was that the resistance fleet only had a limited amount of fuel to stay ahead of the FO fleet. There is no resistance like air or water in empty space and no large sources of gravity around to slow them down. They could've burned their engines hot and then cut them and drifted on the inertia.
@@darwinxavier3516 Yes, because in a galaxy far far away, our definition of laser totally means the same thing as what they are referring to.See, only retards can't think beyond the basics of word definitions. You say "hurr durr it act absolutely nothing like a laser does, and does not hold to the very basics and fundamental properties of lasers, but it must be a laser despite having nothing in common with actual lasers because George called it a laser and I am too stupid to think outside of that word".
Pluto is not a planet under the current, scientific definition. However, luckily for your childhood, there appears to be an actual ninth planet lurking beyond the Kuiper Belt, so you were accidentally right.
Turbo lasers? The federations energy weapons are beyond lasers, they wouldn't penetrate the ships shields. The Destroyer wouldn't stand a chance. As the Destroyers "Lasers" attempt to penetrate the ships shields. The unshielded Destroyer is getting torn to pieces. As for Troi's " Emphatic Abilities" Picard is a dead man cause she ain't stopping shit. As for that tractor beam a quick shield remodulation and its now a flash light.
NERD ALERT !! The upgraded Photon torpedos are tens if not hundreds of times more destructive than the Tsar Bomba detonated on Earth. If the Super Star Destroyer can go down thanks to one X-Wing, then i am certain a Star Destroyer would crumble like the face of Sheev Palpetine.
@@brucejedilee5290 Dude, one X-Wing crashing into the bridge when the shields went down sent the whole thing crashing into the Death Star. So yes- one X-wing brought down an entire Star Destroyer.
@@deydraniadiancecht8298 After the ship had already taken a lot of beatings from being in a huge battle. We also see a lot of fighters crash into large ships in Star Wars without bringing them down, which supports the fact that that ISD was already damaged.
@@brucejedilee5290 That was the very first time that Destroyer was hit after the shields went down. The ship also crashed into the bridge which wasn't where any other ship was crashing into any other ship. No bridge, no way to steer or command the destroyer. No bridge and the destroyer is dead. No bridge and the destroyer crashes into the Death Star.
@@deydraniadiancecht8298 Yes and if the bridge is taken down on the Enterprise it will go down to. And again the shields were pretty much down after having taken heavy damage. Also are you talking about Vaders flagship? Cause that's not a destroyer but a dreanaught and it only went down after having taken enormous amounts of damage from multipule ships all concentrating fire on it. And then having an A-Wing crashing into the bridge.
The problem I have with many of these match ups is that they all seem to happen at point blanc range, which is ok for the star destroyer. However in the original star trek many of the battles happened without visual and used instruments to locate and fire on an enemy. In many ways it was like submarine warfare, as shown when the enterprise first encountered the romulans. So given the speed and maneuverability of federation ships, why not just bombard the bad guys from standoff range. Also, light speed limitations was a weakness exploited by the Picard manoeuvre. So you should be able to do slash and run tactics with an enemy who literally would not be able to see you coming. In fact they would only see the enterprise as it is back in its its start position and you are putting out fires. So how about a match up that utilises these aspects of a match up.
the problem is that the star destroyer has warp drives and, most likely, is much faster than the enterprise, so it'd close the distance early in the fight, and chase it in the attempt of escape, forcing a close quarters fight.
This is beyond ridiculous. The errors are numerous and all favor the Star Destroyer. First, in the original series, the transporter is used from edges of a solar system to it's inner planets. In TNG, it's used at warp speeds. Second, there's no way the Enterprise's sensors don't detect the Star Destroyers probes' signals. The Star Destroyer could not surprised the E. The range of starfleet's weapons are 1000x or more the range of the Star Destroyers. The Enterprise could stop out by Jupiter's orbit, beam an away team to earth, have the away team stun a pair of triceratops. (if they accidentally kill one, so what? it's not like there aren't a ton of them.) and then set up the transporter focusing array they've used in TNG, and then the Enterprise can pass Earth at Warp 1 and head back toward the sun. If they are forced to fight, they can engage from way outside the Star Destroyer's weapon range, or at warp speed, and if worst comes to worst, there's always the Picard Manuever.
seeing as Q is a 'god' of sorts and the force users are just mortal humans that can use low level magic style attacks, it would be the Q all the way. all the Q has to do is snap his fingers and break their necks, or shrink them down to toy size, turn them to stone if they want, rip them apart with no problem, of if he gets bored just sends them to a planet all on their own in a galaxy far, far away.
I am sure the Crew would be able to counter such a weapon if they have enough time(in other words Data would only need about ten minutes at most, lol).
valor0dragoon matter and and antimatter explode upon contact therefore no time to fix it because many computer systems are down and any alarms may no longer function properly
Ion cannons would NOT interfere with the enterprises systems. The ships shields have a magnetosphere property to them that would draw the energy to hardpoints. Nothing in the starwars universe could touch startrek shields. and phasers would 1shot the tiefighters rapidly. a single volley of quantum torps to the bridge of the star destroyer would destroy it
+Alexis Bierque de Birka de Fauville (Vratrix) death star is useful for huge non-moving targets, like planets, but against a small starship that is very quick and very manoeuverable, it would be less than useless. lets not forget, it fires only one shot at a time and takes forever to recharge. also, it fires in only one direction. too easy to evade.
mr worf ikr, but let's say, the ship got a planet firepower of ion cannons shot and tractor beams, the Death Star could destroy it easy, but yeah you are right..... We can't compare two different movies
Well I agree with the fact that Imperial (as well as Rebel) targeting systems seem to be more primitive than the Federations. Normally the Enterprise could not survive many hits from Devastator's Turbolasers assuming the Turbolasers were using full power. (based on tech manuals). Vader might want to incapacitate the ship wanting to learn more about this potential foe, after all if they are going to be an impediment to future Imperial control of the system then he needs to learn about his enemy now. Thus he may have ordered Turbolasers used at half power (I'm assuming they can be used on a variable setting like the Superlaser of the Death Star as revealed in Rogue One). This might be to test Enterprise's defenses without revealing his full strength. I also agree that the Enterprise would make short work of the TIE Wing. After all Tie Fighters (with the exception of Advanced, Defenders and Avengers don't have shields, the only fighter on Devastator that has shields would be Vader's in all likelihood.) I do agree seeing the new technologies of the Federation, Vader would seek to capture the ship. Of Particular interest would be the phaser fire control, after all if the Empire had this technology the Rebellion's fighters would be insignificant. This is actually good for the Enterprise as Vader is unlikely to crush them while he can, using the ion cannons and tractors is a good idea. I don't think Deanna Troi could stop Darth Vader. Her abilities were very limited. Indeed Vader might could even sense Deanna, as well as any other Betazoids or even Vulcans aboard, if their abilities come from the Force even if they don't realize that. However while I don't buy that Troi could stop him, Data might could cut the feed fast enough and the break in viewing might be sufficient to cause the Dark Lord to lose his grip on Capt Picard's throat, allowing him to survive. (Though Capt Riker showed remarkable resources once when Picard was Locutus of Borg). Picard might well ask Riker for some unorthodox suggestions. Data would probably be the one most likely to locate the vulnerable shield towers on top of the bridge structure of the Devastator. Using a spread of torpedoes could destroy the towers giving the Enterprise a chance at escape. The ionization might require them to fire the torpedoes without relying on the ship's normal targeting computers which would be disabled. The ionization might disable Data shortly after he reveals this, Worf taking the shots.
There's a couple things that need to be added to this. First off, Deanna isn't going to do jack squat against the Force. Her abilities are for the most part sensing other's feelings and with a great deal of effort she can put some direction to it. These abilities cannot do anything against a telekinetic attack from a being with powers on par with the Platonians (look it up). There is a question as to whether the Force would work in our galaxy since there seems to be nothing in the way of midichlorians, but if Vader was choking Picard in this then in this circumstance we can assume it does. The only thing that saves Picard is technobabble like beaming him off the bridge and out of Vader's grasp. Secondly, the Enterprise has a lot more sublight power to it than anything that Star Wars has shown us. Star Trek:TMP showed the refurbished original Enterprise clearing Jupiter in a handful of seconds. That means Kirk's Enterprise was going an appreciable percentage of the speed of light on sublight engines alone. This makes sense when you figure that Kirk was able to hoof it into the interior of the Mutara Nebula when it wasn't even visible from the Regula 1 space station. The Enterprise E is larger, but is also a much more futuristic craft. It will undoubtedly maintain at least some percentage of the original's speed. The increased mass certainly wouldn't reduce its velocity down to a Star Destroyer or TIE Fighter's, who can't even clear the radius of Tatooine in an appreciable amount of time. Of course Picard can't just jet out of the system on sublight or even warp. If Vader intends to build a superweapon, that will likely involve stripping the Earth practically bare of natural resources. The chances of humanity developing in that situation is next to nil. Picard has pretty much gotten himself involved in a predestination paradox. The result of that paradox demands that Picard drive Vader back to his own galaxy and destroy the wormhole. Ignoring that however, it brings us to the interesting situation of comparing Star Trek's weaponry with that of Star Wars. When Curtis Saxton's works were in vogue, it was no contest. A light laser from a Star Destroyer put out 5 gajillion million billion zillion zettajoules of energy and could vaporize a black hole in a single hit (an overexaggeration sure, but not as much as it should be). Now that Saxton's claims are in the realm of Legends, we see from the new canon that Star Destroyers, far from being able to turn the surface of a planet into molten slag, can place bombardment shots within a quarter mile of a Jedi on a speeder without causing considerable harm. Compare this to the ships of TNG era, where a fleet of Romulan and Cardassian ships did indeed wipe the surface of what they thought was the Dominion homeworld from existence. Doesn't matter if it was a ruse, it was a close enough ruse to fool the starship captains so the results of the bombardment were pretty spot on to reality. Long story short, Disney may have taken this from a shoe in for Vader and handed victory squarely to Picard.
While your analysis is mostly correct, try quantifying that instance you're referring to and if you have half a brain, you'll see why trying to use that as a fear for Star Trek firepower opens up a can of worms that would make your point collapse into a giant sinkhole the size of the impact Star Wars had had over Star Trek. Statements versus Vusuals. Trek us really, really bad at this, andrhat instance you referred to is textbook example 1.
I would like to point out that the physics that are seen in the Star Wars Universe a turbolaser does about 450 terawatts of damage and the large 8 turbolasers seen on Star Destroyers would do 3000 terawatts of damage. and in Star Trek universe the enterprise-d Type X phaser does 100000 terawatts of damage. the enterprise-d has seven of these. also the next thing I would point out is the shields in Star Wars are very different than the shields from Star Trek. the Star Destroyers energy Shield would stop phaser but would not stop torpedoes. it does have a ray shield but the ray shield is very weak this is why Fighters are able to damage Star Destroyers with torpedo or missiles. so a Quantum torpedo from the Enterprise would hit with ....250 megatons of damage. one torpedo should just about put the Star Destroyer out of commission. if you use the physics from the actual TV show and the movies. and do not use the manuals which Through Math make no sense versing the shows make no sense. for an example if you look at the manuals Enterprise does 1.3TJ percent damage and Bubba Fett's fighter does 63,000TJ of damage using the same formula. Also it say something like a mine in star wars is like 2000 megatons but the explosion is only showing kilotons!..... thank you for the video. very cool
oh just one more thing for ya, in the movies we see X-wings firing their quad lasers at the enemy SDs and they went right through their shields. if I am not mistake if it is seen in the movie that makes it canon or is that wrong?
valor0dragoon , yes it would , only thank I can say is maybe the shields were down from other attacks , the guide to star wars weapons said that it was common for Shields to overload from being struck too much in one particular spot. and the crew would have to replace the generator. And should only take a few minutes to bring Shield back up. also firing in one spot could punch through The Shield and just that one spot allowing for blast to make it through before the shield compensates.Munificent-class ship had one large turbo laser that would do this to Venator-class ships in clone wars
The technical manuals of either Star Wars or Star Trek are not canon and do not fit necessarily with what has actually been demonstrated "in universe" by the ships for the most part. I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but no turbolaser has ever even come close to dealing 450 TW of damage to anything. In fact, in Rebels we see that a light cruiser at point blank range cannot even do much beyond single digit-range gigajoule attacks, even when trying to dish out as much destruction as possible and ISDs with heavy TLs at a few hundred km cannot even manage much beyond single-digit megajoule-range attacks with their heavy TLs as demonstrated in "Zero Hour". By contrast, in DS9's "The Die is Cast", 20 starships comparable to a Galaxy-class starship cause teraton range, if not petaton range damage to the Founder's homeworld .Even the relatively primitive NX-01's phase cannons can dish out 5-10 TJ per shot with the main forward battery as shown and stated in ENT's "Silent Enemy". This is what the true canon of each franchise shows us. There just is no contest here. The E-E would wipe the floor with whole fleets of ISDs.
you have the Leviathan the flag ship of darth malak and only 600m long destroy taris a full blown city planet in hours. i mean you argue old republic tech is better than modern star wars tech but star wars ships have been shown to slag planets with no issue.
@@Nowhereman10 And to compliment this as I have stated before, armour types in each universe. SW ships uses Durasteel, stronger than Steel but weaker than Titanium. ST ships use a material called Tritanium which is 21.4 times stronger than diamonds. It's why ST ship have such destructive weapons if they ever want to have a chance of penetrating through that kind of armour.
imdefender She wasn't useful by much or very long. We're talking about a mental power war with THE Jedi killer. Second only to Palpatine. One Telepath just isn't gonna be able to beat the many powers an extremly high level Sith or Jedi is gonna be capable of. An once Vader got involved personally... Force users can use their powers on Starships. He'll reach out with the Force kick Troi's ass then telepathically rip enterprise apart, piece by piece. it's shields will just keep everything bunched together till they fail. All while his troops continue their merciless and withering assault.
Turbolasers wouldn't be able even to pen the shield. Seriously, the Shields of the Enterprise can resist phasers capable of taking out the entire surface of a planet, something that would require "thousands of destroyers to do so" (Han Solo dixit).
Some simple firepower math: The Borg cube is 3x3x3km or 27 cubic kilometers. In their initial fight, the Enterprise D fired three phaser blasts at the unadapted cube. Worf states they damaged 20% of the cube. In other words, three phaser blasts destroyed 5.14 cubic kilometers of Borg cube, and most of that was from the first shot when the cube was completely unadapted. There's no contest here between turbolasers and phasers :)
You forgot most of the technology that the Enterprise has at it's disposal: The Enterprise has a massive amount of shielding that it can throw up. It can divert power to the shields to keep them going which can easily repel 100% of the laser fire from the Tie Fighters. I'm sure that the shields could also repel most of the fire from the Turbo Lasers. Also, all the Enterprise has to do is get BEHIND the Star Destroyer and they're safe. Yes... Star Destroyers have a Blind Spot! Why doesn't anyone bring up this point? If the Enterprise gets behind a Star Destroyer and launches a few Photons at its exposed engines, that destroyer is toast. They are that easy to take down. Speaking of which, Photon Torpedoes should strike fear in the hearts of any Star Wars fan because they literally don't have strong enough shielding on the Star Destroyers. "Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!" Photon Torpedoes are just too powerful! Hell, a few photons fired at the exposed bridge will take down a Star Destroyer. Remember when a single X-Wing flew into the bridge of one and sent it careening into the side of the Death Star? Phasers! The phaser cannons of the Enterprise are far superior and powerful enough to punch right through the shield grid of a Star Destroyer. A single volley could pierce the shields and destroy the exposed deflector shield generator on the destroyer. Transporters! The Enterprise could beam the entire bridge crew off the destroyer and into its many brigs. Enough said on that topic. You completely ignored all of this tech in this video. The Enterprise would never suffer any damage.
@@thesenate6482 And yet, a single X-wing flew into the bridge of a star destroyer and sent it flying out of control into the Death Star. Also, it only took 4 or 5 X-wings to concentrate their firepower (lasers) and take out the shield grid of a destroyer. The Enterprise is capable of firing phasers which are WAY more concentrated and powerful.
@@thesenate6482 Regardless, if its shields were so weak that a few X-wings were able to bring down the shield generator, then it's no match for the Enterprise even at full strength. You don't know what my source is? Return of the Jedi. You know, that movie that came out? X-wings took it out. The cruisers stood back and weren't involved. Against the Enterprise, those X-wings' lasers wouldn't even penetrate the Enterprise's navigational shields. That means that even with the deflector shields down, the ship would be undamaged by a horde of fighters. And that was the point I was trying to make- The tie fighters could never threaten the Enterprise. They would not even by worth firing at. Also, once the Enterprise blew out the shield generator with a few phaser blasts, a single torpedo would destroy the bridge. But, if it makes you happy, I'll let you say that the destroyer was severely damaged and that it would take two photon torpedoes to destroy the bridge. All the Enterprise would have to do is hide behind the Destroyer with a tractor beam on it so that it could not go to light speed and then it could sit there and eat it for dinner. It could take out the shields with ease and beam the entire bridge crew into the brigs. It would be that easy. Every Star Destroyer has a massive blind spot. They cannot defend their rears. It was a point made in each movie and yet no ship ever took advantage of it. Hell, Even Vader would be helpless against the transporter. Vader wouldn't last long at all if he was beamed directly into space! Oh and I doubt very much that Vader could force choke the entire crew of the Enterprise at the same time. At most, he could only ever choke a small handful of people at once so he's not much of a threat against an attacking ship unless he's actually ON that ship. Man, there are just WAY too many ways that she Star Destroyer would badly lose here. Nothing against Star Wars, but Gene Roddenberry wrote more powerful technology than George Lucas did. You'd have to completely rewrite them both for the Star Destroyer to come out on top.
@@thesenate6482 Wait.. a star Destroyer sat in the middle of a supernova from a star cluster and survived? No. The author of that book didn't understand physics. There is no force in the universe that could make that possible. There's no material that could make that possible. If that was actually cannon, then that same Destroyer could take the place of the Death Star. It could be in a billion battle without even suffering any damage. Every ship in the Alliance Fleet could rain hell down upon it and it for years and it wouldn't suffer any damage. The books are not cannon. Why? Because they are 100% bullshit when pitted next to the movies. The entire claim to fame of the Death Star was that it could blow up a planet in a single shot. Then the books come in and state that the Destroyers could do this with the power of a sun and had shields and armour plating so powerful that they could sit in a Supernova and say "fuck off" to a Black Hole. The Empire wouldn't have built a Death Star if they already had ships that were even more powerful. They wouldn't have built a shield generator on a planet to protect the Death Star if they already had Star Destroyers so tough that they were indestructible WITHOUT a planetary shield generator. The books ruin EVERY single plot point of the movies. So no. I'm not buying it. Sorry, bro.
@@thesenate6482 Well, then Disney completely destroyed the entire plot line of the original 3 movies. Good job, disney. good job, fans. This "scale" is 100% against the movies. I shouldn't be surprised. The franchise was already turned into trash by the movies Disney put out. And here I thought Jar Jar was the worst that I'd have to endure. Thanks. You have now ruined what little fandom I had left for this universe since I now know that Episodes 4, 5, and 6 mean absolutely nothing. And no, nothing that can withstand the power of a SUPERNOVA fits on ANY scale in any story.. And if everything was on that scale, then that means that a TI FIGHTER could destroy a planet with a single blast. You're so blinded by your beloved franchise, that you just don't get how dumb Disney made it. That or uou just don't have a clue what a supernova is.
Hello. I wanted to correct some shortcomings with this simulation. 1. Offensive systems S F have a range of about 10,000 kilometers, such as phasers and torpedoes. So the ship did not even have to enter the range of the Imperial destroyer. 2. Energy shields of ships of both universes divide technological gap. The Starfleet is able to withstand multiple hits with photon torpedoes (several isotons per head take a beating at least with gigatons of magnitude). Where imperial destroyers lose shields after a 24-36 proton torpedo fire a few kilotons per head). What gives us a 1000: 1 ratio when it comes to detonation power. 3. Targeting systems SF are precise and well aligned with the weapon system. Letting go of a surgical strike on critical ship systems. Destroying another turbo laser battery and ion guns within a few dozen seconds after even partial penetration of the destroyer shield. Imperial fire systems still have manual fire control. And the main tactic of firing is to bombard the area where the system is going to be neutralized. What with the high maneuverability prevents serious damage to SF ships 4. Ship SF in real space are able to reach high speeds sublight, in the range 0.90-0.96. What about uncalibrated guiding systems of the destroyer (and every other ship). It prevents the fire, and probably the pinpointing of Enterpris. 5 And most importantly. Power supply system. SF units are driven by antimatter reactors. And auxiliary and backup power are fusion reactors. In addition, the IPS system (now used on USS Zumwalt destroyers (DDG-1000)) allows the transfer of energy in any quantity between the ship's systems. The shredder is powered by one fusion reactor and several backup power batteries. This causes the shields or offensive systems to be very tough - see the bit about Endor and the Executor. Gdzy Enterprise is not the least of this trouble 6 You can argue which universe has more powerful offensive systems. But evidence points to the advantage and in this field SF. Disintegration of the mountains, multi-kilometer wells in the planets within minutes. 40 ships with one ship salvo partial melt 30% of the surface of the planet. When comparing the multi-hour orbital bombardments of the destroyers, where the rebels have survived. These and many other errors indicates that the duel Enterprise NCC 1701-E vs Imperial Star Destroyer that was short and brutal ending victory Enterprise. Paid with slight damage to the plating and several burned power circuits. Maybe some holo cabin would fall
Several very good points in this part - points that most other vs. comparisons miss. Points such as TL accuracy, and the survivability of TIEs against a phaser armed ship.
(This is what would actually happen) Enterprise: *Nearly rams into star destroyer* Worf:Captain,They are now locking lasers on us. Riker:Lasers? Worf:aye,sir. Data: *Starts laughing*😂😂😂😂😂 Picard:Lasers can't even penetrate our navigational shield,Don't they know that? Riker:Regulation calls for yellow alert. Picard:That's a very old regulation,But make it so number one. Star destroyer: *Starts firing and does nothing* Data:They're hitting us with several laser cannons. Equivalent fire power,40 milliwatts. Worf:Shields are at 100%. Riker:If we were to fire, this would last about 5 minutes. Picard:Mr. Worf:Fire warning shot,1⁄4 power. *The Enterprise fires and nocks a chunk off the star destroyer* Riker:Mr. Worf! Worf:I don't understand it,The blast was not powerful enough to knock out standard shields? Data:It appears they have considerably week shield compared to a phaser blast. Picard:Lock on quantum torpedo,fire! *the torpedoes fired in the star destroyer is crippled* Riker:that appears that was enough to turn that ship into it a vegetable. 😉 Picard:Now let's beam up some dinosaurs.
Bit late to this. What a great idea for a story! As I’m more of a Trek fan over Star Wars, you’ll get a good idea where I hope this is going to go. Looking forward to part 2 immediately. Let’s “make it so”!
Enterprise E vs Imperial Star Destroyer - this isn't an even matchup. I would compare Death Star to... a single Star Trek shuttle :D One shuttle with transporter and a few or even a single warhead from quantum torpedo would easily destroy even an entire Death Star. They would just transport the warhead to the reactor room.
1:10 "There's just one problem. The Prime Directive" I think he means the TEMPERAL Prime Directive which limits the actions of federation captains taken during time travel or an encounter from another point in time.
The Enterprise phaser banks are powerful enough to drill right through planetary crust(this is done in a TNG episode), and they would just beam a quantum torpedo into the Star Destroyer's engine room. Game over.
Does anyone remember the TNG episode where some ships constantly shoot with lasers at the Enterprise and then Picard facepalms and asks how long it takes until the shields go down and he gets something like 25 hours as an answer? That's how this fight would go.
turbo lasers would pose no threat to the E and ion canons? uhmm you do know in trek ships regularly pass through massive ion storms in space far more powerful than anything a canon would produce. and one volley of quantum torpedoes and bye bye star destroyer
the main rule of fictional space combat is: no matter what the range of the weapons, both ships have to be close enough together to be on the screen at the same time. that way the audience can see ships shooting each other.
Nope. According to the EPII tech manual, turbolasers are at 200 gigatons per shot. And since it's a movie tech manual it's still canon, because all movie materials are as canon as the films. Photon torpedoes are only at 64 megatons. Better shields? They get swamped by firepower less than gigaton level, whereas ISDs take and give that kind of punishment rather easily. Faster speed? Hyperdrives are faster than warp travel, and we've seen ISDs in the first movie be as fast as the Millennium Falcon in both realspace and hyperspace. Greater agility? Last I checked, they're nowhere even as fast as a starfighter, nor are they as agile, and yet the ISDs had no problem hitting the Falcon, which was much smaller and more agile.
LMAO. I love the way you describe how they could have plausibly met for this battle, and how each side would react. You could have just played it out on the merits of each ship's tech, but instead you gave us a entertaining story to justify it.
You do realize that imperial technologies are crude compared to those of the federation, Including that federation weapons can be used in a 100+ kilometer distance, well out of reach of the star destroyer
Actually, we don't know the range of SD's turbolasers. We do know that they can easily bombard planest rom space which in their orbiting distance would equal to over 300km.
WRONG.....CANON material SAYS it's from 15 TO 25 THOUSAND kilometes. WAY OUTSIDE of the 1 LIGHT SECOND (300 THOUSAND Km) weapons range fo the Federation...and just so you know: Earth's atmosphere IS around 11-12 THOUSAND Km high (and most planets, besides GAS GIANTS, are based on Earth in SW...)...not even close the 300.000 you said...and that came FROM NASA.....
There are no canon statements that says anywhere that SW ships have beyond light second ranges. In one instance the Millennium Falcon wasn't even in range despite being in easy visual range of a 6 meter TIE fighter (ANH) and we have seen in Rebel's "Zero Hour" that the *heavy turbolasers* of a fleet of ISDs cannot cause greater than single or low double-digit megajoule range from a few hundred km up and in "Ghosts of Geonosis", a light cruiser's TLs couldn't even cause single-digit gigajoule damage to the rim of an air shaft at point-blank, thus indicating very weak firepower that falls off quite considerably at a few hundred km. This is backed up by Return of the Jedi and the ISDs coming into attack range at just around 100 km. By contrast, in DS9's "Return to Grace", an old Cardassian freighter was able to target and mostly vaporize an asteroid of several meters diameter from 400,000 km with phasers. Later on, after rigging up a planetary disruptor battery to the ship, they vaporize an asteroid from 500,000 km.
earths atmosphere is 15 to 25 thousand kilometers high? lol try 30 miles.and 15 to 20 thousand km. is inside 300,000 thousand km. math not your strong suit huh?
thats a stationary target and range isn't the issue its the fact star wars weapons are manually aimed meaning they have shit tracking on fast moving targets example A every time the thousands of turbolasers failed to stop a snub fighter.
Suddenly a Battlestar comes out of warp. Swarms of Viper type fighters launch from her flanks. Her own turbo cannons begin pounding Vader's ship. Seeing the opportunity Picard engages the Star Destroyer with everything Enterprise has. Vader is now out numbered and orders a withdrawl at maximum speed.
Physical standpoint: Star Wars ship reactors move in the mid Terawatt range, Star Trek Ship reactors move in the low Exawatt range. One Exawatt are 1,000,000 Terrawatt. A Galaxy class starship has about 26,000 times the available power of a Imperial Star Destroyer.
Interesting. Ever since Disney Cut off The old expanded Universe from The franchise, Alot of The Details on imperial Technology has been scaled back making The Battles against trek more Even. Altough The FTL Speed advantage and The industrial capabilities still Seem more Advanced than Those of The Federation. I bet they Could Hold The entire Milky way Galaxy hostage with The starkiller base. Looking forward to how this Ends and keep Up The good work. :-D
Not really. Hyperdrives are much faster, but are much more difficult to use without hyperlanes while warp is done in real space/time and while the slowest of all FTLs in fiction that I know of, also one of the most tactically flexible. Adding in Quantum Slipstream and maybe even Transwarp and Trek is almost as fast. The industrial power of the empire is greater than that of the Feds, yes but not by anywhere near as large as it should be. Even with much less space, planets and workers the Federation has one very big ace here. Replicators. With Replicators the Federation can transform literal shit into ship hulls. There are a few non-replicable devices and materials that must be built and mined the old fashioned way that can slow things down, but as their ships are nowhere near as large as an average Imperial Capital it could come close to evening out. This is of course only if the Feds are fighting alone and not having allies like the Klingons joining into the fight, and if all three big Alpha Quadrant powers joined forces I don't think the Empire would hold save through the power of the force and Thrawn being Thrawn. The force could be countered by some elder races in Trek, if they decided to care, or if they have joined the Federation over the years; but that isn't a given. Thrawn would be hard pressed against the Feds as their are simply too many raceses and worlds for even him to keep track of, but if he knows who is in overall charge of a particular fleet or ship... well it's Thrawn.
I dont know.....one borg cube destroyed the whole defending fleet above Earth. However with hyperdrives the SW have one huge advantages and that is speed. Adding the Empire ruthless tactics into the picture its quite possible to vaporize entire planets and jump before the main fed fleet arrives. In that way with this guerilla tactics the Empire could cut off the industrial and personnel capacity of the Federation very efficiently. Also in ground assaults SW have much larger selection of war mashines and crew. As for the Feds are fighting alone, the Empire is also fighting alone. We can count the mandalorians and their arsenal into the fight which is much better than the Empire's (their numbers are also much smaller). Mandalorians are fighting with the best weaponry available and they are very skilled warriors.They are also love the challenge. Only the mandalorians are using mass driver cannons, disruptors and such, so it would be a much harder fight. Also i dont think the force could be countered so easily. I mean you can suppress powers like choke but thats only a small portion of the power of the force users. Imagine an enemy who can see what you will do before you even think about it. Also a skilled jedi or a sith is almost unstoppable in a ground fight and formidable enemy in space. Still warfare technology is much better in ST which is a bit of an irony as the ST universe is much more peaceful than SW.
ForMan Kind And one Borg Cube would do the same for much of the Empire, possibly even worse unless the Death Star can be used to one shot it. The Borg would addapt quickly to anything a normal Imperial fleet could do. For countering the force, as I said, it would take some of the elder Races, the ones who are higher then us but less than Q. Or telepaths working together, possibly via mindmeld to fight its more offensive abilities off. And hyperdrive is faster, yes. But at this point Voyager is home, so much faster forms of FTL are in the Federation's hands, ones just as fast, if not faster then hyperspace.
In all fairness, it was not Disney who decided that the EU stories be cut off entirely and just be declared directly to be non-canon. Originally the books for Star Wars were only "canon until I say so" from George Lucas, which wasn't even that at which point because he never intended the books to even have that much as far as he was concerned. The problem I have with this demand and people who want the crossover itself though is that utterly ridiculous myth that Star Wars must take place in the future despite the films stating them to be "a long time ago" in the beginning of the standard opening crawls. Also side note.... Star Trek's books are mostly treated as non-canon as well.
The books were treated as canon to a point yes. I believe there were two going at the same time, "G Canon" and "Canon" with the later being the books and games while the former was only the movies and shows such as the Clone Wars. Now it's Disney Canon, which is the films shows and any book released after they bought the rights. In a few decades, unless Trek makes something new in the prime timeline, based after Voyager's return or STO is made fully canon, I'm sure Wars will overcome Trek sooner or later, as more and more of the old EU is brought back into the fray, like Thrawn. As for Trek itself, I don't think any of its books are canon, at all. Though Trek can use the multiverse and time travel to make any of it work at any time if needed to for a future show or movie. I could be wrong about this and their might be some books, such as the ones with Ezri Dax as captain of ship that have been referenced in STO that are "canon" now.
Saw your video, both part 1 and 2 and I think you have things wrong. Federation weapons are channeling Gigawatts of energy as its basic power system (This beats the hell out of 110 or 220 household current). When Kirk fired his hand phaser set to max at an enemy, the person simply disintegrated. That would take 2.99 Gigawatts of energy to vaporize an average 160 lb person according to researchers at the University of Leicester. At no time do we see an energy weapon vaporize anything in the Star Wars universe. And This weapon that can shoot 2.99 Gigawatts of fusing plasma is a small hand held weapon in use 150 years before the Enterprise E. It is repeated several episodes that Kirk's enterprise has enough power and weapons to obliterate a planet, probably not like the death star actually exploding the whole planit, but redusing its crust to magma and starilizing it sure in a few seconds. Again this is Kirk's enterprise more then a century behind enterprise E. We see this deminstrated in Deep Space 9 '"The Die Is Cast" when a fleet of 40 ships (Romulan and Cardassian) each a match to a Enterprise E, invade the Dominion and "reduse the surface of the founders homeworld to magma in an opening bombardment of less then 10 seconds. Enterprise shield systems are capable to defending against this level of energy. I have never seen any space fighter hit by the guns on a star destroyer ever vaporize. While this may be why we see fighters in the Star Wars universe so often because they are capable of standing up to a hit and not being destroyed by the many small low powered (relatively speaking) weapons. Enterprise lives in a world where the power levels are much higher bigger ships can make more power, so go bigger to stay alive. lots of low power weapons and ships gives star wars universe its battle tactics. Sorry but your story is entertaining it is not living up to the knowable data we can see in both these universes. If it were real Enterprise E would slice a star destroyer up like watermelon on the 4 of July, and all the destroyer could do is shoot his little low energy weapons off its shields. Propulsion is a different matter with hyperdrive the ships of the Star Wars universe are several orders of magnitude faster. but that speed could be used to do nothing but run away. Sorry Star Wars Fans (and I count my self as one of them) the only thing that could hold its own in battle against the Enterprise E would be a death star. But that appears to be pretty easy to avoid if your not a planet.
"At no point do we see an Energy Weapon vaporize anything in the Star Wars Universe" Tell that to Alderann XD On a serious note though, there are weapons called disruptors in the Star Wars universe, which have been outlawed literally because of how they disintegrate living beings. Just saying :)
5:42 - The Enterprise is shielded, AND it has a navigational deflector: she could literally Warp through the tie-fighters, which would be batted aside like harmless gnats. Also, with shields already up, it would take a helluvalot of concentrated fire to do anything to the Warp Core.
Turbo lasers are equal if not more powerful than disrupters and it doesn’t take many good hits from those to do serious damage. Remember turbo lasers are not lasers but plasma weapons like what many other races in ST use including the romulans
the electronics and computer systems of the Enterprise are so different I don't think an ion cannon would have any effect on them however it might deplete the shields just like the regular lasers with
+stargatefever yeah I agree, that's why I said it was knocking the helm control temporarily offline, I don't think it would make the enterprise dead in the water. You will see how they escape the tractor beam in the next video
@Generation Tech: I don't think Turbolasers would do a whole lot either since Plasma doesn't really do much to Star Trek shields. The Enterprise hit/grazed a plasma streamer in TNG S3 EP1: Evolution which is a pure form of plasma from a star and the most it did was rattle the ship. While I believe Turbolasers would rattle the ship and possibly deplete some of the Enterprise's Shields I don't think it would disrupt the Warp Core of the Enterprise let alone knock it offline even if they directly hit engineering. Ion Cannons so far seems to be the only weapon that would be effective against them since it disrupts electrical systems. If the Enterprise's Shields go down I could see the Turbolasers doing something provided they can pierce the Enterprises armored hull since the E is sporting similar armors to the Defiant which was designed to fight the Borg.
It is not just plasma but basically a plasma bomb that has explosive force. Just look at the explosions against shields in Rogue one and the battle of Endor. Not only that, but based on what is shown in ESB, a turbolaser bolt has the energy of roughly 4 atomic bombs.
stargatefever An if that happens a Star Destroyer or just it's small fleet of TIE Fighters by itself will make mince meat outta enterprise in no time at all. Enterprise weapons while powerful just won't be able to fire at all those enemies fast enough without its shields. there'd just be too many and each one is just too small and fast. An backed by over 100 weapons of a capital ship. unless Rebels heard what was going on and sent a rescue force to fight off Vader. Probably led by Luke, Han or one the others who knows how to handle Vader and a SD things would go South for any of the Trek Verses crews in a hurry in such an engagement
Federation ships don't use electrical energy of any form. They use plasma to power their systems. It's not practical or safe, as the ever-present exploding control panels would attest to, but it is the method regardless. I'm not sure how ion canons meant to disrupt electronic systems would affect Federation technology. It's even more difficult to say as neither such technology exists. They're at best hypothetical without any real implementation in our modern world, purely mused about using a mixture of pseudosience and conjecture, along with a healthy dose of technobabble. ;)
Just found this video while going through TH-cam and this is how it would go. Random officer 1: Sir, we have detected an unknown ship in our sector. Vader: Does the ship have Imperial markings? Random officer 1: No sir. Vader: If they are not with us, they are against us. Launch all fighters, fire all weapons. Random officer 2: Sir, their shields are very strong, it will take time to take them down with even with all of our ION cannons. Vader: **annoyed breathing** I will deal with them myself. Meanwhile at the Enterprise Picard: Have you been finally able to hail them? Do we have any information on that ship in our databa- **sound of Vader snapping everyone's necks** Back at ISD Vader: Send troops to secure that ship, the Emperor will want to see it personally.
You guys are so ahead of the curve. These two stories will converge eventually, as long as people will pay to see it. $ means everything In Hollywood, and every where where else on the face of the planet. I can't wait!
"Mr. Data, beam a quantum torpedo onto their bridge."
Exactly what I would do. Then warp to a safe distance and watch the aftermath on long range scanners. But I'd prefer to teleport the torpedo into their weapons bay so you can watch them panic onscreen. Lol. May the trek be with you. ☺
How creative. Nobody ever mentioned that. And it is based on the undisputable assumption that this would work, that you actually CAN beam anything through the walls of a Star Destroyer.
@@brucebanner3566 live long and prosper.
An enemy ships shields need to be down to beam things onto there ship
Vader: "you do not want him to beam a quantum torpedo onto our bridge."
Piccard "i don't want him to beam a quantum torpedo onto your bridge"
come to think of Kirk's Enterprise tanked several shots from a weapon known as The Doomsday machine that destroyed planets and the Enterprise E shields would be far stronger than the old constitution class
Bingo. It's not even a contest, to be honest. EVERY major technology area, sensors, propulsion, weapons, and shielding/armor types is FAR more advanced on federation star ships over the Empire. Insanely more advanced isn't an exaggeration. Sensors of a federation starship can give you the EXACT count of life forms on a planet while even moderate cloud cover renders Empire technology useless for intelligence gathering without sending in drones. The OLDEST version of Enterprise, NX-01, is already MANY hundreds of times faster than the fastest Star Wars vessel ever shown on the big screen. Warp 3 is 487 times the speed of light, let that sink in... While Star Trek's weaponry is using quantum level effects to break down the very matter of an enemy target, Star Wars tech is shooting lasers, which even in TOS Star Trek were considered to be useless against modern shielding. Lastly, shields... Star Trek's shields are regularly beat on by weapons that would destroy the Death Star in a single shot including Colbolt weapons that can crack planets only reducing shields by 10% or less... That same hit would bust the Death Star wide open.
Even the Death Star's super laser couldn't penetrate the Enterprise's shields... It's a LASER, no matter how you cut it, and photon weaponry is considered old school and outdated in Star Trek. Meanwhile a single quantum torpedo would rip through the surface of the Death Star like paper, possibly coring the whole thing in a single shot. It's just not an even comparison... Person to person, Star Wars has the advantage with the Force, Sith, and Jedi... But Federation personnel have faced off against Q himself and come out on top before. Pretty sure they could handle Darth Vader fine.
@@gregorymanning6201 Uh, no. Star trek beats star wars in almost every respect, but SW ships are definitely faster. Trips are made from the galactic core to the outer rim all the time, like it's no big deal. Wasn't there an entire show about how star trek ships take SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS to cross the galaxy?
Leif Fitzsimmons Frey Wrong. They come from a tiny ass galaxy is why they get around so fast. They clearly speak of light speed as a high end... that is WAY below ST speeds. Actual light speed is MENTIONED directly at SW and barely making points above that.
If you are going on FAN FICTION that tries to explain away their mention of light speed as "slang", that is unsupported horseshit from fans, NOT canon supported in any way.
@@leiffitzsimmonsfrey1272 In "A New Hope" Han Solo brags about the Millennium Falcon supposedly the fastest ship in the Star Wars universe being able to to do .5 past light speed... which is hundreds of times slower than Star Trek... There is a specific formula to warp speeds, Google it, apparently these guys never have. If Star Wars ships can cross the galaxy in days that galaxy far far away is obviously a much smaller one.
Need I remind you Trekkie childmolesters that they took out that self same planet breaker... with a 50 megaton bomb...
Yet the older enterprise totally is planet busting in complete defiance of every single other instance we've seen it where that power would have been useful and in character to use.
if I remember correctly, couldn't the Enterprise simply remodulate its shields to break the tractor beams lock?
yeah, they can do that to.
Spatial Gaming They could do it with most of there technology, as they found fighting the Borg.
Yes, the 1701-D was capable to remodulate shields & all newer are too
Tractor beams aren't a major part of trek combat.
Tractor beams were only a problem when fighting the Borg who could adapt to the remodulation.
"But lasers wouldn't even penetrate our navigational shields, don't they know that?"
-Jean Luc Picard
Heheh. That is correct.
Star Wars tends to be a bit wonky when using the term laser. SW lasers aren't true lasers as we would know them. When they say lasers, more often then not they're referring to blaster bolt. What blaster bolts are is pretty vague but in essence a blaster bolt is just intense plasma energy. While operating under the same principles of a laser with the plasma energy focused and concentrated into a beam particle, blaster bolts are slow (about as fast as a nerf dart slow (give or take, I might be wrong)), making them easy to dodge. And they're as accurate as a smooth bore musket, a clumsy and random weapon.
Now blasters are you're standard small arms weapons. Lasers are more like the blaster equivalent of a heavy machine gun or light cannon. And Turbolasers and Heavy Turbolasers are the big ship-to-ship guns.
But, yeah, it's stupid that SW calls something a laser when it really isn't a laser.
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Yea, I get what you're saying.
The biggest question I have though, if all that you said is correct, is it a strong enough yield to penetrate ship wide defensive shielding? (Forget the smartass comment about navigational shields) Which given the Federation's advancement in technology is said to be among the strongest, or at minimum comparable to the shield strength of the Romulan Star Empire.
@@AustinFan4Life Honestly.... I don't know. I would think that blasters and "lasers" being the smallest of this weapon type would do next to little to the shields. The bigger ones like turbolasers and heavy turbolasers might do something. Another thing to consider is that damage yield from blasters vary depending on quality and other additives. Red bolts the cheapest (and poorest in quality) while green bolts produce the highest damage yield. And blue bolts are made with charged ions, making them more potent against shields.
However, given that an imperial star destroyers has about 60 turbolaser and heavy turbolaser turrents (that shoot green bolts), any vessel would be hard pressed to maintain shields under such a barrage. As fire potential firepower... ISDs are often used in planetary bombardments to terrifying effect.
Another way to look at blaster bolts is that they're similar to but exactly like Klingon disrupters.
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But even Klingon disruptors have a hard time penetrating Federation shielding, without knowing the shield modulation frequency, to adjust their weapons to.
@@AustinFan4Life But Klingon vessels don't have 60 disruptor turrents... joking aside. That was a plot point for the Duras Sisters, which if I recall, they needed the frequency for their torpedo to bypass the Enterprise's shields. Admittedly, yeah a single disruptor shot ain't taking down a Federation shield all by its lonesome. It will take a lot of disruptor fire/heavy turbolaser fire to bring down the Enterprise's shields, which is what an ISD is kinda designed for.
Generally speaking, vessels in Star Trek don't have one continuous bubble like shield but a series of projectors that encase the ship from all sides. This makes Star Fleet ships a pain in the butt because if, say the port side shield is weakening/failing, the crew can redirect power from the other shields to the port side.
Also, unlike the Klingons, an ISD has Ion Cannon as well. These are like EMP shots, wrecking havoc to electrical equipment and disrupting shields in general.
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Vader hails and for some reason thinks its a good idea to have his lightsaber out while bouncing back and fourth. hahaha
thrawn should have been in charge becuase his job was to scout and control the unknown regons of the galaxy and beyond
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obi wan kenobi nah, then it wouldn’t have been a battle, it would have been
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Thrawn would be too slow to react. All the federation ship would have to do is to teleport a fully armed photon torpedo into the weapons bay of any star wars ship, warp to a safe distance, and then watch the aftermath on long range scanners. May the trek be with you. Your welcome. ☺
obi-wan kenobi?? I thought you're dead!
Thrawn would be too slow to react? Do you even know who Thrawn is?
"Lasers? Those can't even penetrate our navigational shields."
- Captain Picard
Star Wars lasers are plasma tho
@@clarkstrange2142 so are certain Trek lasers. The episode where Picard states that is when the enemy ship is using pulsed laser weaponry, similar to what Star Wars uses.
Homeless End I still believe Star Wars lasers wouldn’t be rendered useless against Trek ships as it isn’t simply a mining laser. Plus the Borg were shown to use a cutting laser on a Federation ship, so I think a Star Destroyer’s turbolasers (plasma weapons) would be affective. The disadvantage is the range of fire
@@clarkstrange2142 wrong. The borg used a cutting beam that can cut through nearly anything and at first didnt work because the shields of the enterprise were still up. If amything, that was more of a surgical tool than a weapon. Turbolasers are not that powerful, just look at Rebels Zero Hour bombardment and the series finale bombardment. Those shots arent as powerful at all and are comparable to modern day artillery. Standard Trek weapons on the other hand have shown to slag continents. Watch the Star Trek shorts episode Children of Mars, where a few hacked patrol ships and orbital weapons use phasers and photon torpedoes to destroy the surface of Mars in a matter of seconds
Homeless End there are levels of yields for turbolasers and proton torpedoes. They can definitely be more powerful than modern artillery. Star destroyers can orbitally bombard cities and even whole planets into slag. Granted the destroyers need a few hours but when it’s an entire surface of a planet it makes sense. That is until inevitably weapons such as the Xyston-Class have the ability to completely destroy entire planets in seconds.
I’ve learned that Star Wars and Star Trek are pretty evenly matched, but there isn’t one that really supersedes another, that being said, since the Star Wars galaxy has had wars for thousands of years the numbers of the Empire likely outclass the Federation.
No hate, this is my take. Peace.
LOL annoyed by the interruption he kills the ships captain...
WELP that escalated quickly
Lost me at Data being on the ship. He's dead :(
In this version, Data reemerged in B4 just like in beta cannon. That's all I needed to get past that.
Never mind. He mentioned Diana who should be on the Titan by now. I give up. lol
Data is WHAT?!
Editing software from a Sith lord.... Brilliant
A sith Lord?
Warf - "Captain, we're being hailed."
Picard - "On screen."
Vader - "If you knew the power of the Darkside!"
I'm sorry, that was stupid AF but funny AF. AND very nicely edited!!
ok well i guess vader can choke the bridge officers to death. unless in time if they end the hail.
I'm sorry but the idea Troi's parlor trick of empathy would even slow down Vader's command of the force is downright silly. Her mother or a more powerful psychic MAYBE but yeah I don't think she'd have the juice.
I wonder how Kes from Voyager would handle Vader? I mean, the Kes that could instantly and effortlessly cause multiple people brain hemorrhages, de-materialize duranium, and psychokinetically toss starships thousands of light years away. I know she isn't on the Enterprise E, but people rarely consider the extremely powerful psychokinetic species of Trek when imagining Star Wars vs Star Trek.
Kess vs. Starkiller (although I loathe the force unleashed) would be a better match. Both are basically raw telekinetic engines.
Agree there.. but at the same time the enterprise shields wouldn't even be hurt by star wars weapons.
And runabout might even take a star destroyer
Leon Evelake turbolasers are really more like plasma cannons
Just have Q kill everyone. Problem solved.
Apparently this guy never watched TNG Lasers couldn't penetrate the Enterprise-D's shields and the E without any doubt has better shields. The Star Destroyer was never a threat to the Enterprise. One Photon Torpedo and it would be gone. End of story
Much as I love star wars, this wouldn't even be a contest. A full spread of quantum torpedoes and bye-bye Impstar Deuce.
I'm just listening to somebody's fan fic, why am I enjoying this
Old Spock's ship from the kelvin timeline vs the death star
Vader's like, "Square up punk!!"
Vader makes a spectacular commander, so long as you can fulfill his orders. Even if it was for the sake of the audience, he would always make the reasons behind his actions very clear to the admirals.
The original Connie would be more than a match for wars ships.
Also thanks to McCoy's inculcation against force like powers the entire crew would be immune to Vader's cheap magic tricks.
Also with as fast as tng era ships are they would have no issue keeping their distance and firing at 300k meters away.
They would have destroyed vader's pizza slice of a ship in minutes.
The premise of how this all occurred is quite awesome tbh. Love the idea that star wars was like 70 million years ago!
Given that you only had 3 movies to choose your Trek clips from, this is a very well put together story. All power to clever editing!
And hurry up with part 2 please ;-)
I know he's not as well known, but Thrawn would have been a better opponent to command the SD for this match. ST captains often win by out thinking their opponents and that's how Thrawn preferred to operate as well. Vader usually opted for overwhelming force over clever tactics. I think the Enterprise might win not because of their tech, but because it has the better crew.
"Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields." - Picard
Lasers have no power limit. The Death Star for example uses a laser to destroy planets. The Borg Cube's cutting beam was also a laser. It's possible that the Empire developed laser weaponry past the point where the Federation abandoned the technology in favor of other energy weapons. But we don't know.
All sources I've seen say turbolaser are a hybrid weapon. It uses a high energy laser to ignite Tibanna gas into an exotic particle beam.
Marcos Rios I concur. The closest I can come to the power of a turbolaser in Star Trek are the pulsed plasma disruptor beams used by the Romulans. These weapons were exceptionally good at bringing down Federation shields. I also like the fact that they are always green!
You guys no your stuff, big props!
1 thing I really liked about this was not anything about Star Trek, but it was about how Star Wars was around during the time of the dinosaurs, and that's how humans got on the earth.
The Problem is, that there was a part in Next Generation, were the Enterprise got shot over several hours from an underdeveloped species with Lasers. In this part they said that Lasers won't work against Enterprises shields. So... Easy win for Enterprise?
Except the weapons in starwars aren’t lasers. They’re plasma weapons. They’re called lasers, because back in the day, it was lasers. Just the terminology in universe never changed. For example, back when turbo lasers were first designed and put projectile weapons out of commission, they were laser weapons. But by the time of the clone wars, these “turbo lasers” stopped being lasers and now were plasma. It’s like the howitzer. Modern howitzers aren’t muzzle loaded, cast iron, cannons. But complex breach loading, rifled guns. But we still call them howitzers
Commander Data was destroyed. It would have to be "Before".
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TheBibo Sez he comes back alive after the movie at thw very end of the 24th century
It's spelled B4, but yes Data died in Nemesis(Spoiler!).
He came back around 2385 to 2387 but likely before that. He became the Captain of the Enterprise E since at this point Picard became the Ambassador to Vulcan. Edit: that still takes place after the events of this current battle.
And in the books/comics, it came back alive when its main memory/data/knowledge took overs B4 own mind (with help from Geordi...)...he literally became Data again....Cop out, I know...
for those that are saying that a SD Shields are weak need to remember that in the ESB, we see an SD get destroyed when an asteriod crashes into the bridge but that SD had been in the field for days getting hit by many asteriods. in return of the Jedi Admiral ackbar even said focus all firepower on the super star destroyer, you also see in the movie that the engines have already been damaged and because of that it crashed into the Death Star which destroyed it. i believe if it didn't crash it could have survived. the weapons shields in Star wars can also disrupt transporter technology just because of the way they work, which we all know transporter technology is highly interfered with.
sorry bro but is real easy to figure out ST tech is waaaaay more advanced than SW. almost any ST vessel would smash a star destroyer, perhaps even a shuttlecraft or runabout lol.
its easily established Star Trek technology is leauges ahead of Star Wars. SW uses lazers which wouldnt even dent the 'navigational' deflector let alone the actuall shields. ST uses phaser technology which we can reasonably assume is farfar more powerful. Not to mention all the other technology that is clearly more advanced in ST....transporters, holodecks and replicators etc.
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aleckto28 Lasers are beams in Star Wars episode 5 we can also see a Star Destroyer melt down a asteorid which means that it isn't lasers and some Star Wars fans says that it is plasma which makes much more sense
@Clash Gamer Too bad Lucas doesn't share your definition of what his lasers are. He wasn't big on the science of his fiction. He just wanted to tell his story, and explaining his tech was not an issue for him. Lasers were what he knew. Until Disney establishes that "laser" is just a colloquial word for plasma weapons, they're just lasers that are poorly animated as lasers.
Oh and as a reminder of how many fucks Disney gives about tech making sense. In TLJ energy bolts from the Supremacy could be clearly seen going over the Raddus then "dropping" to hit the ship for no reason. Also one of the main plot points was that the resistance fleet only had a limited amount of fuel to stay ahead of the FO fleet. There is no resistance like air or water in empty space and no large sources of gravity around to slow them down. They could've burned their engines hot and then cut them and drifted on the inertia.
Star Wars didn't have any kind of teleportation technology. Nor did they have any kind of iconian portal technology. So that is a moot point.....
@@darwinxavier3516 Yes, because in a galaxy far far away, our definition of laser totally means the same thing as what they are referring to.See, only retards can't think beyond the basics of word definitions. You say "hurr durr it act absolutely nothing like a laser does, and does not hold to the very basics and fundamental properties of lasers, but it must be a laser despite having nothing in common with actual lasers because George called it a laser and I am too stupid to think outside of that word".
Yes, 9 planets!!!
I was taught 9, I don't go in for all this 8 planets BS
Generation Tech
Lol
Pluto is not a planet under the current, scientific definition. However, luckily for your childhood, there appears to be an actual ninth planet lurking beyond the Kuiper Belt, so you were accidentally right.
Pluto has actually recently come under consideration for reinstatement to planetary status.
Pluto is a dwarf planet I think
Beam some tribbles into Vader's suit, watch him squirm and dance like a bug trapped in your clothes. LOL
Turbo lasers? The federations energy weapons are beyond lasers, they wouldn't penetrate the ships shields. The Destroyer wouldn't stand a chance. As the Destroyers "Lasers" attempt to penetrate the ships shields. The unshielded Destroyer is getting torn to pieces. As for Troi's " Emphatic Abilities" Picard is a dead man cause she ain't stopping shit. As for that tractor beam a quick shield remodulation and its now a flash light.
NERD ALERT !! The upgraded Photon torpedos are tens if not hundreds of times more destructive than the Tsar Bomba detonated on Earth.
If the Super Star Destroyer can go down thanks to one X-Wing, then i am certain a Star Destroyer would crumble like the face of Sheev Palpetine.
It was not taken down by an X wing dude what the hell are you talking about? X Wings to the Star Destroyer are like flies to a elephant
@@brucejedilee5290 Dude, one X-Wing crashing into the bridge when the shields went down sent the whole thing crashing into the Death Star. So yes- one X-wing brought down an entire Star Destroyer.
@@deydraniadiancecht8298 After the ship had already taken a lot of beatings from being in a huge battle. We also see a lot of fighters crash into large ships in Star Wars without bringing them down, which supports the fact that that ISD was already damaged.
@@brucejedilee5290 That was the very first time that Destroyer was hit after the shields went down. The ship also crashed into the bridge which wasn't where any other ship was crashing into any other ship. No bridge, no way to steer or command the destroyer. No bridge and the destroyer is dead. No bridge and the destroyer crashes into the Death Star.
@@deydraniadiancecht8298 Yes and if the bridge is taken down on the Enterprise it will go down to. And again the shields were pretty much down after having taken heavy damage. Also are you talking about Vaders flagship? Cause that's not a destroyer but a dreanaught and it only went down after having taken enormous amounts of damage from multipule ships all concentrating fire on it. And then having an A-Wing crashing into the bridge.
"To hell with our orders."
Gosh i love this scene
The problem I have with many of these match ups is that they all seem to happen at point blanc range, which is ok for the star destroyer. However in the original star trek many of the battles happened without visual and used instruments to locate and fire on an enemy. In many ways it was like submarine warfare, as shown when the enterprise first encountered the romulans. So given the speed and maneuverability of federation ships, why not just bombard the bad guys from standoff range. Also, light speed limitations was a weakness exploited by the Picard manoeuvre. So you should be able to do slash and run tactics with an enemy who literally would not be able to see you coming. In fact they would only see the enterprise as it is back in its its start position and you are putting out fires. So how about a match up that utilises these aspects of a match up.
the problem is that the star destroyer has warp drives and, most likely, is much faster than the enterprise, so it'd close the distance early in the fight, and chase it in the attempt of escape, forcing a close quarters fight.
This is beyond ridiculous. The errors are numerous and all favor the Star Destroyer. First, in the original series, the transporter is used from edges of a solar system to it's inner planets. In TNG, it's used at warp speeds. Second, there's no way the Enterprise's sensors don't detect the Star Destroyers probes' signals. The Star Destroyer could not surprised the E. The range of starfleet's weapons are 1000x or more the range of the Star Destroyers. The Enterprise could stop out by Jupiter's orbit, beam an away team to earth, have the away team stun a pair of triceratops. (if they accidentally kill one, so what? it's not like there aren't a ton of them.) and then set up the transporter focusing array they've used in TNG, and then the Enterprise can pass Earth at Warp 1 and head back toward the sun. If they are forced to fight, they can engage from way outside the Star Destroyer's weapon range, or at warp speed, and if worst comes to worst, there's always the Picard Manuever.
I think the Empire would have to deal with the Voth as well. Not just the Enterprise E.
... please, please PLEAS have Q appear and start screwing with Vader!
lol
In theory this all could be resolved with "Q saves the day and ends the battle" it was all to just teach Picard a lesson
Generation Tech well even if he doesn't make an appearance I think that's a video you guys should cover, who would be stronger Q or Vader/Palpatine.
Or he warps in the Daedalus from Stargate just to cause some havoc xD
seeing as Q is a 'god' of sorts and the force users are just mortal humans that can use low level magic style attacks, it would be the Q all the way.
all the Q has to do is snap his fingers and break their necks, or shrink them down to toy size, turn them to stone if they want, rip them apart with no problem, of if he gets bored just sends them to a planet all on their own in a galaxy far, far away.
I am really sure sustained ion cannon fire would disable the magnetic containment field on the antimatter containment units aboard the enterprise
I am sure the Crew would be able to counter such a weapon if they have enough time(in other words Data would only need about ten minutes at most, lol).
valor0dragoon matter and and antimatter explode upon contact therefore no time to fix it because many computer systems are down and any alarms may no longer function properly
A barrage of quantum torpedos ends Vader and the Star Destroyer. The End.
Yeah, that's pretty much how that would go, hell the original Enterprise could win
Dinosaurs are not reptiles. Reptiles did live side by side with Dinos though and survived.
Captain Picard - "Mr. Worf, beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge."
Ion cannons would NOT interfere with the enterprises systems. The ships shields have a magnetosphere property to them that would draw the energy to hardpoints. Nothing in the starwars universe could touch startrek shields. and phasers would 1shot the tiefighters rapidly. a single volley of quantum torps to the bridge of the star destroyer would destroy it
MrWardonis ehm, Death Star?
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death star is useful for huge non-moving targets, like planets, but against a small starship that is very quick and very manoeuverable, it would be less than useless.
lets not forget, it fires only one shot at a time and takes forever to recharge.
also, it fires in only one direction. too easy to evade.
mr worf ikr, but let's say, the ship got a planet firepower of ion cannons shot and tractor beams, the Death Star could destroy it easy, but yeah you are right..... We can't compare two different movies
Well I agree with the fact that Imperial (as well as Rebel) targeting systems seem to be more primitive than the Federations.
Normally the Enterprise could not survive many hits from Devastator's Turbolasers assuming the Turbolasers were using full power. (based on tech manuals). Vader might want to incapacitate the ship wanting to learn more about this potential foe, after all if they are going to be an impediment to future Imperial control of the system then he needs to learn about his enemy now. Thus he may have ordered Turbolasers used at half power (I'm assuming they can be used on a variable setting like the Superlaser of the Death Star as revealed in Rogue One). This might be to test Enterprise's defenses without revealing his full strength.
I also agree that the Enterprise would make short work of the TIE Wing.
After all Tie Fighters (with the exception of Advanced, Defenders and Avengers
don't have shields, the only fighter on Devastator that has shields
would be Vader's in all likelihood.)
I do agree seeing the new technologies of the Federation, Vader would seek to capture the ship. Of Particular interest would be the phaser fire control, after all if the Empire had this technology the Rebellion's fighters would be insignificant. This is actually good for the Enterprise as Vader is unlikely to crush them while he can, using the ion cannons and tractors is a good idea.
I don't think Deanna Troi could stop Darth Vader. Her abilities were very limited. Indeed Vader might could even sense Deanna, as well as any other Betazoids or even Vulcans aboard, if their abilities come from the Force even if they don't realize that. However while I don't buy that Troi could stop him, Data might could cut the feed fast enough and the break in viewing might be sufficient to cause the Dark Lord to lose his grip on Capt Picard's throat, allowing him to survive. (Though Capt Riker showed remarkable resources once when Picard was Locutus of Borg). Picard might well ask Riker for some unorthodox suggestions.
Data would probably be the one most likely to locate the vulnerable shield towers on top of the bridge structure of the Devastator. Using a spread of torpedoes could destroy the towers giving the Enterprise a chance at escape. The ionization might require them to fire the torpedoes without relying on the ship's normal targeting computers which would be disabled. The ionization might disable Data shortly after he reveals this, Worf taking the shots.
There's a couple things that need to be added to this.
First off, Deanna isn't going to do jack squat against the Force. Her abilities are for the most part sensing other's feelings and with a great deal of effort she can put some direction to it. These abilities cannot do anything against a telekinetic attack from a being with powers on par with the Platonians (look it up). There is a question as to whether the Force would work in our galaxy since there seems to be nothing in the way of midichlorians, but if Vader was choking Picard in this then in this circumstance we can assume it does. The only thing that saves Picard is technobabble like beaming him off the bridge and out of Vader's grasp.
Secondly, the Enterprise has a lot more sublight power to it than anything that Star Wars has shown us. Star Trek:TMP showed the refurbished original Enterprise clearing Jupiter in a handful of seconds. That means Kirk's Enterprise was going an appreciable percentage of the speed of light on sublight engines alone. This makes sense when you figure that Kirk was able to hoof it into the interior of the Mutara Nebula when it wasn't even visible from the Regula 1 space station. The Enterprise E is larger, but is also a much more futuristic craft. It will undoubtedly maintain at least some percentage of the original's speed. The increased mass certainly wouldn't reduce its velocity down to a Star Destroyer or TIE Fighter's, who can't even clear the radius of Tatooine in an appreciable amount of time.
Of course Picard can't just jet out of the system on sublight or even warp. If Vader intends to build a superweapon, that will likely involve stripping the Earth practically bare of natural resources. The chances of humanity developing in that situation is next to nil. Picard has pretty much gotten himself involved in a predestination paradox. The result of that paradox demands that Picard drive Vader back to his own galaxy and destroy the wormhole.
Ignoring that however, it brings us to the interesting situation of comparing Star Trek's weaponry with that of Star Wars. When Curtis Saxton's works were in vogue, it was no contest. A light laser from a Star Destroyer put out 5 gajillion million billion zillion zettajoules of energy and could vaporize a black hole in a single hit (an overexaggeration sure, but not as much as it should be). Now that Saxton's claims are in the realm of Legends, we see from the new canon that Star Destroyers, far from being able to turn the surface of a planet into molten slag, can place bombardment shots within a quarter mile of a Jedi on a speeder without causing considerable harm.
Compare this to the ships of TNG era, where a fleet of Romulan and Cardassian ships did indeed wipe the surface of what they thought was the Dominion homeworld from existence. Doesn't matter if it was a ruse, it was a close enough ruse to fool the starship captains so the results of the bombardment were pretty spot on to reality.
Long story short, Disney may have taken this from a shoe in for Vader and handed victory squarely to Picard.
flyboymb pretty much, yup.
While your analysis is mostly correct, try quantifying that instance you're referring to and if you have half a brain, you'll see why trying to use that as a fear for Star Trek firepower opens up a can of worms that would make your point collapse into a giant sinkhole the size of the impact Star Wars had had over Star Trek. Statements versus Vusuals. Trek us really, really bad at this, andrhat instance you referred to is textbook example 1.
Really all they had to do was cut the channel. Then she could say that she felt an intense amount of rage which is kinda obvious at this point.
I would like to see a super power showdown between Deanna Troi and Vader.
Meanwhile a very confused and flabbergasted Voth goes running back to their people telling them they have to leave the planet asap.
I would like to point out that the physics that are seen in the Star Wars Universe a turbolaser does about 450 terawatts of damage and the large 8 turbolasers seen on Star Destroyers would do 3000 terawatts of damage. and in Star Trek universe the enterprise-d Type X phaser does 100000 terawatts of damage. the enterprise-d has seven of these. also the next thing I would point out is the shields in Star Wars are very different than the shields from Star Trek. the Star Destroyers energy Shield would stop phaser but would not stop torpedoes. it does have a ray shield but the ray shield is very weak this is why Fighters are able to damage Star Destroyers with torpedo or missiles. so a Quantum torpedo from the Enterprise would hit with ....250 megatons of damage. one torpedo should just about put the Star Destroyer out of commission. if you use the physics from the actual TV show and the movies. and do not use the manuals which Through Math make no sense versing the shows make no sense. for an example if you look at the manuals Enterprise does 1.3TJ percent damage and Bubba Fett's fighter does 63,000TJ of damage using the same formula. Also it say something like a mine in star wars is like 2000 megatons but the explosion is only showing kilotons!..... thank you for the video. very cool
oh just one more thing for ya, in the movies we see X-wings firing their quad lasers at the enemy SDs and they went right through their shields.
if I am not mistake if it is seen in the movie that makes it canon or is that wrong?
valor0dragoon , yes it would , only thank I can say is maybe the shields were down from other attacks , the guide to star wars weapons said that it was common for Shields to overload from being struck too much in one particular spot. and the crew would have to replace the generator. And should only take a few minutes to bring Shield back up. also firing in one spot could punch through The Shield and just that one spot allowing for blast to make it through before the shield compensates.Munificent-class ship had one large turbo laser that would do this to Venator-class ships in clone wars
The technical manuals of either Star Wars or Star Trek are not canon and do not fit necessarily with what has actually been demonstrated "in universe" by the ships for the most part.
I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but no turbolaser has ever even come close to dealing 450 TW of damage to anything. In fact, in Rebels we see that a light cruiser at point blank range cannot even do much beyond single digit-range gigajoule attacks, even when trying to dish out as much destruction as possible and ISDs with heavy TLs at a few hundred km cannot even manage much beyond single-digit megajoule-range attacks with their heavy TLs as demonstrated in "Zero Hour".
By contrast, in DS9's "The Die is Cast", 20 starships comparable to a Galaxy-class starship cause teraton range, if not petaton range damage to the Founder's homeworld .Even the relatively primitive NX-01's phase cannons can dish out 5-10 TJ per shot with the main forward battery as shown and stated in ENT's "Silent Enemy".
This is what the true canon of each franchise shows us. There just is no contest here. The E-E would wipe the floor with whole fleets of ISDs.
you have the Leviathan the flag ship of darth malak and only 600m long destroy taris a full blown city planet in hours. i mean you argue old republic tech is better than modern star wars tech but star wars ships have been shown to slag planets with no issue.
@@Nowhereman10 And to compliment this as I have stated before, armour types in each universe. SW ships uses Durasteel, stronger than Steel but weaker than Titanium. ST ships use a material called Tritanium which is 21.4 times stronger than diamonds. It's why ST ship have such destructive weapons if they ever want to have a chance of penetrating through that kind of armour.
This is the only time i n star trek history that Deanna Troi was actually useful
imdefender She wasn't useful by much or very long. We're talking about a mental power war with THE Jedi killer. Second only to Palpatine. One Telepath just isn't gonna be able to beat the many powers an extremly high level Sith or Jedi is gonna be capable of. An once Vader got involved personally... Force users can use their powers on Starships. He'll reach out with the Force kick Troi's ass then telepathically rip enterprise apart, piece by piece. it's shields will just keep everything bunched together till they fail. All while his troops continue their merciless and withering assault.
How dare you...
Booo! Hiss!😡
Turbolasers wouldn't be able even to pen the shield. Seriously, the Shields of the Enterprise can resist phasers capable of taking out the entire surface of a planet, something that would require "thousands of destroyers to do so" (Han Solo dixit).
Yet they are hit by weaker stuff and get hurt by it.
Some simple firepower math:
The Borg cube is 3x3x3km or 27 cubic kilometers.
In their initial fight, the Enterprise D fired three phaser blasts at the unadapted cube.
Worf states they damaged 20% of the cube. In other words, three phaser blasts destroyed 5.14 cubic kilometers of Borg cube, and most of that was from the first shot when the cube was completely unadapted.
There's no contest here between turbolasers and phasers :)
Vader: *sees triceratops* "Why does everything remind me of her..." *Commits internet piracy*
You forgot most of the technology that the Enterprise has at it's disposal:
The Enterprise has a massive amount of shielding that it can throw up. It can divert power to the shields to keep them going which can easily repel 100% of the laser fire from the Tie Fighters. I'm sure that the shields could also repel most of the fire from the Turbo Lasers.
Also, all the Enterprise has to do is get BEHIND the Star Destroyer and they're safe. Yes... Star Destroyers have a Blind Spot! Why doesn't anyone bring up this point? If the Enterprise gets behind a Star Destroyer and launches a few Photons at its exposed engines, that destroyer is toast. They are that easy to take down.
Speaking of which, Photon Torpedoes should strike fear in the hearts of any Star Wars fan because they literally don't have strong enough shielding on the Star Destroyers. "Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!" Photon Torpedoes are just too powerful! Hell, a few photons fired at the exposed bridge will take down a Star Destroyer. Remember when a single X-Wing flew into the bridge of one and sent it careening into the side of the Death Star?
Phasers! The phaser cannons of the Enterprise are far superior and powerful enough to punch right through the shield grid of a Star Destroyer. A single volley could pierce the shields and destroy the exposed deflector shield generator on the destroyer.
Transporters! The Enterprise could beam the entire bridge crew off the destroyer and into its many brigs. Enough said on that topic.
You completely ignored all of this tech in this video. The Enterprise would never suffer any damage.
John Smith exactly! Star Trek technology is far superior
Quantum torpedoes...
transphasic torpedoes.
@@thesenate6482 And yet, a single X-wing flew into the bridge of a star destroyer and sent it flying out of control into the Death Star. Also, it only took 4 or 5 X-wings to concentrate their firepower (lasers) and take out the shield grid of a destroyer. The Enterprise is capable of firing phasers which are WAY more concentrated and powerful.
@@thesenate6482 Regardless, if its shields were so weak that a few X-wings were able to bring down the shield generator, then it's no match for the Enterprise even at full strength. You don't know what my source is? Return of the Jedi. You know, that movie that came out? X-wings took it out. The cruisers stood back and weren't involved. Against the Enterprise, those X-wings' lasers wouldn't even penetrate the Enterprise's navigational shields. That means that even with the deflector shields down, the ship would be undamaged by a horde of fighters.
And that was the point I was trying to make- The tie fighters could never threaten the Enterprise. They would not even by worth firing at. Also, once the Enterprise blew out the shield generator with a few phaser blasts, a single torpedo would destroy the bridge. But, if it makes you happy, I'll let you say that the destroyer was severely damaged and that it would take two photon torpedoes to destroy the bridge.
All the Enterprise would have to do is hide behind the Destroyer with a tractor beam on it so that it could not go to light speed and then it could sit there and eat it for dinner.
It could take out the shields with ease and beam the entire bridge crew into the brigs. It would be that easy. Every Star Destroyer has a massive blind spot. They cannot defend their rears. It was a point made in each movie and yet no ship ever took advantage of it.
Hell, Even Vader would be helpless against the transporter. Vader wouldn't last long at all if he was beamed directly into space! Oh and I doubt very much that Vader could force choke the entire crew of the Enterprise at the same time. At most, he could only ever choke a small handful of people at once so he's not much of a threat against an attacking ship unless he's actually ON that ship.
Man, there are just WAY too many ways that she Star Destroyer would badly lose here. Nothing against Star Wars, but Gene Roddenberry wrote more powerful technology than George Lucas did. You'd have to completely rewrite them both for the Star Destroyer to come out on top.
@@thesenate6482 Wait.. a star Destroyer sat in the middle of a supernova from a star cluster and survived? No. The author of that book didn't understand physics. There is no force in the universe that could make that possible. There's no material that could make that possible. If that was actually cannon, then that same Destroyer could take the place of the Death Star. It could be in a billion battle without even suffering any damage. Every ship in the Alliance Fleet could rain hell down upon it and it for years and it wouldn't suffer any damage.
The books are not cannon. Why? Because they are 100% bullshit when pitted next to the movies.
The entire claim to fame of the Death Star was that it could blow up a planet in a single shot. Then the books come in and state that the Destroyers could do this with the power of a sun and had shields and armour plating so powerful that they could sit in a Supernova and say "fuck off" to a Black Hole.
The Empire wouldn't have built a Death Star if they already had ships that were even more powerful. They wouldn't have built a shield generator on a planet to protect the Death Star if they already had Star Destroyers so tough that they were indestructible WITHOUT a planetary shield generator.
The books ruin EVERY single plot point of the movies. So no. I'm not buying it.
Sorry, bro.
@@thesenate6482 Well, then Disney completely destroyed the entire plot line of the original 3 movies. Good job, disney. good job, fans. This "scale" is 100% against the movies. I shouldn't be surprised. The franchise was already turned into trash by the movies Disney put out. And here I thought Jar Jar was the worst that I'd have to endure.
Thanks. You have now ruined what little fandom I had left for this universe since I now know that Episodes 4, 5, and 6 mean absolutely nothing.
And no, nothing that can withstand the power of a SUPERNOVA fits on ANY scale in any story.. And if everything was on that scale, then that means that a TI FIGHTER could destroy a planet with a single blast. You're so blinded by your beloved franchise, that you just don't get how dumb Disney made it. That or uou just don't have a clue what a supernova is.
Hello.
I wanted to correct some shortcomings with this simulation.
1. Offensive systems S F have a range of about 10,000 kilometers, such as phasers and torpedoes. So the ship did not even have to enter the range of the Imperial destroyer.
2. Energy shields of ships of both universes divide technological gap. The Starfleet is able to withstand multiple hits with photon torpedoes (several isotons per head take a beating at least with gigatons of magnitude). Where imperial destroyers lose shields after a 24-36 proton torpedo fire a few kilotons per head). What gives us a 1000: 1 ratio when it comes to detonation power.
3. Targeting systems SF are precise and well aligned with the weapon system. Letting go of a surgical strike on critical ship systems. Destroying another turbo laser battery and ion guns within a few dozen seconds after even partial penetration of the destroyer shield.
Imperial fire systems still have manual fire control. And the main tactic of firing is to bombard the area where the system is going to be neutralized. What with the high maneuverability prevents serious damage to SF ships
4. Ship SF in real space are able to reach high speeds sublight, in the range 0.90-0.96. What about uncalibrated guiding systems of the destroyer (and every other ship). It prevents the fire, and probably the pinpointing of Enterpris.
5 And most importantly. Power supply system.
SF units are driven by antimatter reactors. And auxiliary and backup power are fusion reactors. In addition, the IPS system (now used on USS Zumwalt destroyers (DDG-1000)) allows the transfer of energy in any quantity between the ship's systems.
The shredder is powered by one fusion reactor and several backup power batteries. This causes the shields or offensive systems to be very tough - see the bit about Endor and the Executor. Gdzy Enterprise is not the least of this trouble
6 You can argue which universe has more powerful offensive systems. But evidence points to the advantage and in this field SF. Disintegration of the mountains, multi-kilometer wells in the planets within minutes. 40 ships with one ship salvo partial melt 30% of the surface of the planet. When comparing the multi-hour orbital bombardments of the destroyers, where the rebels have survived.
These and many other errors indicates that the duel Enterprise NCC 1701-E vs Imperial Star Destroyer that was short and brutal ending victory Enterprise. Paid with slight damage to the plating and several burned power circuits. Maybe some holo cabin would fall
It would be far too easy for the enterprise, superior in every single way, not including size.
The Scientology bit cracked me up. Thank Gort I wasn't sipping covfefe!
Right!!! I have to stop and laugh for a good three minutes on that one. 😂😂
Data is dead at the end of Nemeses. B4 has Data's memories but it is a different robot.
Star Destroyer would win through firepower, but Enterprise would win through plot armor.
Several very good points in this part - points that most other vs. comparisons miss. Points such as TL accuracy, and the survivability of TIEs against a phaser armed ship.
(This is what would actually happen)
Enterprise: *Nearly rams into star destroyer*
Worf:Captain,They are now locking lasers on us.
Riker:Lasers?
Worf:aye,sir.
Data: *Starts laughing*😂😂😂😂😂
Picard:Lasers can't even penetrate our navigational shield,Don't they know that?
Riker:Regulation calls for yellow alert.
Picard:That's a very old regulation,But make it so number one.
Star destroyer: *Starts firing and does nothing*
Data:They're hitting us with several laser cannons. Equivalent fire power,40 milliwatts.
Worf:Shields are at 100%.
Riker:If we were to fire, this would last about 5 minutes.
Picard:Mr. Worf:Fire warning shot,1⁄4 power.
*The Enterprise fires and nocks a chunk off the star destroyer*
Riker:Mr. Worf!
Worf:I don't understand it,The blast was not powerful enough to knock out standard shields?
Data:It appears they have considerably week shield compared to a phaser blast.
Picard:Lock on quantum torpedo,fire!
*the torpedoes fired in the star destroyer is crippled*
Riker:that appears that was enough to turn that ship into it a vegetable. 😉
Picard:Now let's beam up some dinosaurs.
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Okay my ass the star destroyed would have any impact on the enterprise
But Vader killing everyone on board is plausible
lol. Insert Rogue One Vader.
@@CHRF-55457 lol. Insert Chief O'Brien teleporting Vader into the void of space.
@@pietroroberto6114 Yeah. But Vader could probably come back.
@@CHRF-55457 After being shot by a ship's phaser. Nope :)
@@pietroroberto6114 How powerful is your phaser? Also, can't Vader just deflect the blast with his lightsaber?
If Sisko was in command of the Big E that Star destroyer would have been food.
Bit late to this. What a great idea for a story! As I’m more of a Trek fan over Star Wars, you’ll get a good idea where I hope this is going to go. Looking forward to part 2 immediately. Let’s “make it so”!
Enterprise E vs Imperial Star Destroyer - this isn't an even matchup. I would compare Death Star to... a single Star Trek shuttle :D
One shuttle with transporter and a few or even a single warhead from quantum torpedo would easily destroy even an entire Death Star. They would just transport the warhead to the reactor room.
stat destroyer
You don"t know the power of transporters!
clone commander sky lol statistic Destroyer
1:10 "There's just one problem. The Prime Directive" I think he means the TEMPERAL Prime Directive which limits the actions of federation captains taken during time travel or an encounter from another point in time.
Oh, please. One Genesis torpedo and the destroyer, or even the Death Star, would be toast.
any kind of 24th century torpedo really.
Not really. All you'd do is put a lot of greenery on the Death Star.
How would the UN space battleship Yamato fared against an empire's Star destroyer ?
Could you do a comparison .
The Enterprise phaser banks are powerful enough to drill right through planetary crust(this is done in a TNG episode), and they would just beam a quantum torpedo into the Star Destroyer's engine room. Game over.
Does anyone remember the TNG episode where some ships constantly shoot with lasers at the Enterprise and then Picard facepalms and asks how long it takes until the shields go down and he gets something like 25 hours as an answer? That's how this fight would go.
turbo lasers would pose no threat to the E and ion canons? uhmm you do know in trek ships regularly pass through massive ion storms in space far more powerful than anything a canon would produce. and one volley of quantum torpedoes and bye bye star destroyer
You could write a better story than Rian Johnson and JJ Abrahms!
the main rule of fictional space combat is: no matter what the range of the weapons, both ships have to be close enough together to be on the screen at the same time. that way the audience can see ships shooting each other.
I'd have to say the Enterprise; fewer weapons, but better shields and faster speed / greater agility. No competition, really.
Nope.
According to the EPII tech manual, turbolasers are at 200 gigatons per shot. And since it's a movie tech manual it's still canon, because all movie materials are as canon as the films. Photon torpedoes are only at 64 megatons.
Better shields? They get swamped by firepower less than gigaton level, whereas ISDs take and give that kind of punishment rather easily.
Faster speed? Hyperdrives are faster than warp travel, and we've seen ISDs in the first movie be as fast as the Millennium Falcon in both realspace and hyperspace.
Greater agility? Last I checked, they're nowhere even as fast as a starfighter, nor are they as agile, and yet the ISDs had no problem hitting the Falcon, which was much smaller and more agile.
4:19 scene from Empire strikes back
Expanded Universe > Star Trek > Star Wars
aakla the new marvel comics (canon) are actually really good. The new print canon is excellent.
Enterprise always! 🙂
And this coming from a Star Wars fan!
Enterprise !!!
LMAO. I love the way you describe how they could have plausibly met for this battle, and how each side would react. You could have just played it out on the merits of each ship's tech, but instead you gave us a entertaining story to justify it.
There's never a Q around when you need 'em.
Lol why not beam the main computer and weapons from the Star Destroyer? And the Enterprise E wins 😂
The Enterprise E, just a few quantum torpedos will take out the Star Destroryer.
You do realize that imperial technologies are crude compared to those of the federation, Including that federation weapons can be used in a 100+ kilometer distance, well out of reach of the star destroyer
Actually, we don't know the range of SD's turbolasers. We do know that they can easily bombard planest rom space which in their orbiting distance would equal to over 300km.
WRONG.....CANON material SAYS it's from 15 TO 25 THOUSAND kilometes. WAY OUTSIDE of the 1 LIGHT SECOND (300 THOUSAND Km) weapons range fo the Federation...and just so you know: Earth's atmosphere IS around 11-12 THOUSAND Km high (and most planets, besides GAS GIANTS, are based on Earth in SW...)...not even close the 300.000 you said...and that came FROM NASA.....
There are no canon statements that says anywhere that SW ships have beyond light second ranges. In one instance the Millennium Falcon wasn't even in range despite being in easy visual range of a 6 meter TIE fighter (ANH) and we have seen in Rebel's "Zero Hour" that the *heavy turbolasers* of a fleet of ISDs cannot cause greater than single or low double-digit megajoule range from a few hundred km up and in "Ghosts of Geonosis", a light cruiser's TLs couldn't even cause single-digit gigajoule damage to the rim of an air shaft at point-blank, thus indicating very weak firepower that falls off quite considerably at a few hundred km. This is backed up by Return of the Jedi and the ISDs coming into attack range at just around 100 km.
By contrast, in DS9's "Return to Grace", an old Cardassian freighter was able to target and mostly vaporize an asteroid of several meters diameter from 400,000 km with phasers. Later on, after rigging up a planetary disruptor battery to the ship, they vaporize an asteroid from 500,000 km.
earths atmosphere is 15 to 25 thousand kilometers high? lol try 30 miles.and 15 to 20 thousand km. is inside 300,000 thousand km. math not your strong suit huh?
thats a stationary target and range isn't the issue its the fact star wars weapons are manually aimed meaning they have shit tracking on fast moving targets example A every time the thousands of turbolasers failed to stop a snub fighter.
Suddenly a Battlestar comes out of warp. Swarms of Viper type fighters launch from her flanks. Her own turbo cannons begin pounding Vader's ship.
Seeing the opportunity Picard engages the Star Destroyer with everything Enterprise has.
Vader is now out numbered and orders a withdrawl at maximum speed.
Physical standpoint: Star Wars ship reactors move in the mid Terawatt range, Star Trek Ship reactors move in the low Exawatt range. One Exawatt are 1,000,000 Terrawatt. A Galaxy class starship has about 26,000 times the available power of a Imperial Star Destroyer.
Interesting. Ever since Disney Cut off The old expanded Universe from The franchise, Alot of The Details on imperial Technology has been scaled back making The Battles against trek more Even. Altough The FTL Speed advantage and The industrial capabilities still Seem more Advanced than Those of The Federation. I bet they Could Hold The entire Milky way Galaxy hostage with The starkiller base. Looking forward to how this Ends and keep Up The good work. :-D
Not really. Hyperdrives are much faster, but are much more difficult to use without hyperlanes while warp is done in real space/time and while the slowest of all FTLs in fiction that I know of, also one of the most tactically flexible.
Adding in Quantum Slipstream and maybe even Transwarp and Trek is almost as fast.
The industrial power of the empire is greater than that of the Feds, yes but not by anywhere near as large as it should be. Even with much less space, planets and workers the Federation has one very big ace here. Replicators.
With Replicators the Federation can transform literal shit into ship hulls. There are a few non-replicable devices and materials that must be built and mined the old fashioned way that can slow things down, but as their ships are nowhere near as large as an average Imperial Capital it could come close to evening out.
This is of course only if the Feds are fighting alone and not having allies like the Klingons joining into the fight, and if all three big Alpha Quadrant powers joined forces I don't think the Empire would hold save through the power of the force and Thrawn being Thrawn.
The force could be countered by some elder races in Trek, if they decided to care, or if they have joined the Federation over the years; but that isn't a given. Thrawn would be hard pressed against the Feds as their are simply too many raceses and worlds for even him to keep track of, but if he knows who is in overall charge of a particular fleet or ship... well it's Thrawn.
I dont know.....one borg cube destroyed the whole defending fleet above Earth. However with hyperdrives the SW have one huge advantages and that is speed. Adding the Empire ruthless tactics into the picture its quite possible to vaporize entire planets and jump before the main fed fleet arrives. In that way with this guerilla tactics the Empire could cut off the industrial and personnel capacity of the Federation very efficiently. Also in ground assaults SW have much larger selection of war mashines and crew.
As for the Feds are fighting alone, the Empire is also fighting alone. We can count the mandalorians and their arsenal into the fight which is much better than the Empire's (their numbers are also much smaller). Mandalorians are fighting with the best weaponry available and they are very skilled warriors.They are also love the challenge. Only the mandalorians are using mass driver cannons, disruptors and such, so it would be a much harder fight.
Also i dont think the force could be countered so easily. I mean you can suppress powers like choke but thats only a small portion of the power of the force users. Imagine an enemy who can see what you will do before you even think about it. Also a skilled jedi or a sith is almost unstoppable in a ground fight and formidable enemy in space.
Still warfare technology is much better in ST which is a bit of an irony as the ST universe is much more peaceful than SW.
ForMan Kind And one Borg Cube would do the same for much of the Empire, possibly even worse unless the Death Star can be used to one shot it. The Borg would addapt quickly to anything a normal Imperial fleet could do.
For countering the force, as I said, it would take some of the elder Races, the ones who are higher then us but less than Q. Or telepaths working together, possibly via mindmeld to fight its more offensive abilities off.
And hyperdrive is faster, yes. But at this point Voyager is home, so much faster forms of FTL are in the Federation's hands, ones just as fast, if not faster then hyperspace.
In all fairness, it was not Disney who decided that the EU stories be cut off entirely and just be declared directly to be non-canon. Originally the books for Star Wars were only "canon until I say so" from George Lucas, which wasn't even that at which point because he never intended the books to even have that much as far as he was concerned.
The problem I have with this demand and people who want the crossover itself though is that utterly ridiculous myth that Star Wars must take place in the future despite the films stating them to be "a long time ago" in the beginning of the standard opening crawls.
Also side note.... Star Trek's books are mostly treated as non-canon as well.
The books were treated as canon to a point yes. I believe there were two going at the same time, "G Canon" and "Canon" with the later being the books and games while the former was only the movies and shows such as the Clone Wars.
Now it's Disney Canon, which is the films shows and any book released after they bought the rights. In a few decades, unless Trek makes something new in the prime timeline, based after Voyager's return or STO is made fully canon, I'm sure Wars will overcome Trek sooner or later, as more and more of the old EU is brought back into the fray, like Thrawn.
As for Trek itself, I don't think any of its books are canon, at all. Though Trek can use the multiverse and time travel to make any of it work at any time if needed to for a future show or movie. I could be wrong about this and their might be some books, such as the ones with Ezri Dax as captain of ship that have been referenced in STO that are "canon" now.
Omg I was literally thinking about this last night
Should have checked out the Broken Chain Studios video that literally did this last week
Saw your video, both part 1 and 2 and I think you have things wrong. Federation weapons are channeling Gigawatts of energy as its basic power system (This beats the hell out of 110 or 220 household current). When Kirk fired his hand phaser set to max at an enemy, the person simply disintegrated. That would take 2.99 Gigawatts of energy to vaporize an average 160 lb person according to researchers at the University of Leicester. At no time do we see an energy weapon vaporize anything in the Star Wars universe. And This weapon that can shoot 2.99 Gigawatts of fusing plasma is a small hand held weapon in use 150 years before the Enterprise E. It is repeated several episodes that Kirk's enterprise has enough power and weapons to obliterate a planet, probably not like the death star actually exploding the whole planit, but redusing its crust to magma and starilizing it sure in a few seconds. Again this is Kirk's enterprise more then a century behind enterprise E. We see this deminstrated in Deep Space 9 '"The Die Is Cast" when a fleet of 40 ships (Romulan and Cardassian) each a match to a Enterprise E, invade the Dominion and "reduse the surface of the founders homeworld to magma in an opening bombardment of less then 10 seconds. Enterprise shield systems are capable to defending against this level of energy. I have never seen any space fighter hit by the guns on a star destroyer ever vaporize. While this may be why we see fighters in the Star Wars universe so often because they are capable of standing up to a hit and not being destroyed by the many small low powered (relatively speaking) weapons. Enterprise lives in a world where the power levels are much higher bigger ships can make more power, so go bigger to stay alive. lots of low power weapons and ships gives star wars universe its battle tactics. Sorry but your story is entertaining it is not living up to the knowable data we can see in both these universes. If it were real Enterprise E would slice a star destroyer up like watermelon on the 4 of July, and all the destroyer could do is shoot his little low energy weapons off its shields.
Propulsion is a different matter with hyperdrive the ships of the Star Wars universe are several orders of magnitude faster. but that speed could be used to do nothing but run away. Sorry Star Wars Fans (and I count my self as one of them) the only thing that could hold its own in battle against the Enterprise E would be a death star. But that appears to be pretty easy to avoid if your not a planet.
"At no point do we see an Energy Weapon vaporize anything in the Star Wars Universe"
Tell that to Alderann XD
On a serious note though, there are weapons called disruptors in the Star Wars universe, which have been outlawed literally because of how they disintegrate living beings.
Just saying :)
You had me at "To hell with our orders"
5:42 - The Enterprise is shielded, AND it has a navigational deflector: she could literally Warp through the tie-fighters, which would be batted aside like harmless gnats. Also, with shields already up, it would take a helluvalot of concentrated fire to do anything to the Warp Core.
Turbo lasers are equal if not more powerful than disrupters and it doesn’t take many good hits from those to do serious damage. Remember turbo lasers are not lasers but plasma weapons like what many other races in ST use including the romulans
the electronics and computer systems of the Enterprise are so different I don't think an ion cannon would have any effect on them however it might deplete the shields just like the regular lasers with
+stargatefever yeah I agree, that's why I said it was knocking the helm control temporarily offline, I don't think it would make the enterprise dead in the water. You will see how they escape the tractor beam in the next video
@Generation Tech: I don't think Turbolasers would do a whole lot either since Plasma doesn't really do much to Star Trek shields. The Enterprise hit/grazed a plasma streamer in TNG S3 EP1: Evolution which is a pure form of plasma from a star and the most it did was rattle the ship. While I believe Turbolasers would rattle the ship and possibly deplete some of the Enterprise's Shields I don't think it would disrupt the Warp Core of the Enterprise let alone knock it offline even if they directly hit engineering. Ion Cannons so far seems to be the only weapon that would be effective against them since it disrupts electrical systems. If the Enterprise's Shields go down I could see the Turbolasers doing something provided they can pierce the Enterprises armored hull since the E is sporting similar armors to the Defiant which was designed to fight the Borg.
It is not just plasma but basically a plasma bomb that has explosive force. Just look at the explosions against shields in Rogue one and the battle of Endor. Not only that, but based on what is shown in ESB, a turbolaser bolt has the energy of roughly 4 atomic bombs.
stargatefever An if that happens a Star Destroyer or just it's small fleet of TIE Fighters by itself will make mince meat outta enterprise in no time at all. Enterprise weapons while powerful just won't be able to fire at all those enemies fast enough without its shields. there'd just be too many and each one is just too small and fast. An backed by over 100 weapons of a capital ship. unless Rebels heard what was going on and sent a rescue force to fight off Vader. Probably led by Luke, Han or one the others who knows how to handle Vader and a SD things would go South for any of the Trek Verses crews in a hurry in such an engagement
Federation ships don't use electrical energy of any form. They use plasma to power their systems. It's not practical or safe, as the ever-present exploding control panels would attest to, but it is the method regardless. I'm not sure how ion canons meant to disrupt electronic systems would affect Federation technology. It's even more difficult to say as neither such technology exists. They're at best hypothetical without any real implementation in our modern world, purely mused about using a mixture of pseudosience and conjecture, along with a healthy dose of technobabble. ;)
Doesnt the enterprise have bio-neural gel packs, so technically the ion cannon wont work
Nice dub work - they'll never notice!
excellent work -
Red Shirts vs Storm Troopers... this could take forever to resolve!
Ryk Latortuga The storm troopers will keep missing, and the red shirts will keep dying anyways
That battle will be in part two!
bruh why should the e even go into a ground battle were They Have an disatwanetch Insted of fithing in space were They Have normally an huge antwantch
Wrong red shirts.
we are talking about TNG not TOS.
and no they would not keep dying, they would keep killing Storm troopers with little to no lose.
Just found this video while going through TH-cam and this is how it would go.
Random officer 1: Sir, we have detected an unknown ship in our sector.
Vader: Does the ship have Imperial markings?
Random officer 1: No sir.
Vader: If they are not with us, they are against us. Launch all fighters, fire all weapons.
Random officer 2: Sir, their shields are very strong, it will take time to take them down with even with all of our ION cannons.
Vader: **annoyed breathing** I will deal with them myself.
Meanwhile at the Enterprise
Picard: Have you been finally able to hail them? Do we have any information on that ship in our databa- **sound of Vader snapping everyone's necks**
Back at ISD
Vader: Send troops to secure that ship, the Emperor will want to see it personally.
You guys are so ahead of the curve. These two stories will converge eventually, as long as people will pay to see it.
$ means everything In Hollywood, and every where where else on the face of the planet. I can't wait!
The Enterprise should totally win.
I love these comments. The exact same arguments are being used for both sides lol.
weak. lasers are for inferior to phasers. the Enterprise would destory all turbo laser cannons disable their Shields and engines.
Lasers in star wars are not real lasers but it is super heated gas
But... Data was killed at the end of Nemesis.
The tie fighters surround the enterprise and they can no longer go safely to warp.
Picard: Laughs in Deflector dish
-.- part 2?
REALLY?!!