That was a lot of variables to introduce at once - different shape, symmetrical, different wheelbase. Probably hard to tell what exactly was throwing you off. I’ve been really liking the Crailtap twin tip.
WB and the characteristics of the kick/run aspects to me matter most for these boards...i can run flat or steep concave...as long as theres enough run to pop good halfcabs with, or kick/run profile for impossibles
He also changed to a smaller truck size. The best way to ride an egg is to buy an egg .5 inches wider than your current popsicle. Then you add foot space not reduce it from the front and back
To each his own man. Eggs aren’t for everyone Those trucks are nice..I’m sure the skateboarding industry must be suffering $ on some level. Maybe it’s the Heroin
Looks like on every Heelflip you were flicking off the side more. With the taper of eggs, you have to flick almost straight. Otherwise you get what feels like a ghost pop because your foot doesn’t grip the board at all. I would recommend one with a longer WB though for your legs. The 8.88 Avi is 14.125 and is 8.5 on the money over the trucks. Keep the vids comin brother 🤙🏽
I just got this same board with Indy 139s and I think it feels great, I’m also pretty short and not very good lol, the egg shape does make a good cruiser too!
Dude thank you for this video!!! Every time I watch Franky Villiani Skate he is usually riding an egg board and I think it looks so much fun but so confusing at the same time! I bought the krooked Natus special addition thinking I could get all funky with it and it just turned into my cruiser board, Thanks for the R&D! Didn't even know about the new park, cant wait to see the footage!
i started skating in the '80s. when popsicle boards came around i figured the big/steep end was the tail. so i rode boards backwards for a while. i still do ride the nose as tail sometimes, depending on what i'm doing. i don't think i'd like symmetrical boards though, i like having the option of which end to use as tail on a standard shape
I start riding my nose as my tail too eventually when skating a deck, and I gotta say the way it pops riding it backwards is such a crazy awesome experience for me. Makes me wonder why it doesn’t feel or pop like that when riding my board normal
IMO it seems more "at home" for contest riders chaining/doing tricks that dont want that HEADGAME of if theyre setting up with their board backwards etc...if theyre doing bigspin boards to fakie..etc into cab lips etc. I see the value much higher at that "level" than for most of us. PLUS i see the level of "value" in a twin tail 8.38 the typical width i ride for standard shapes...as equal as getting a shaped/bowl/slappy board etc...from a sick graphic/company i want to back financially etc. As a general skater its all the same to me and whether i can afford to add it to a quiver. Its just when you have 159 indys and 6.1 ventures in rotation as well as some stage IV and hollow mids...you have a few options/sizes and often have the perfect trucks/wheels for the next shaped/all rounder setup. Things like that jump higher in the list than a 8.38 twin tail that im generally going to be "PUSHING" it with on obstacles or trying to re-live my youths bag of tricks etc...and id rather just put that level of effort into learning a new shape/setup on larger/air/speed type features...or bowls.
I have short legs and a 14" wb with Aces really messes with me. I think if you tried it with different trucks you'd have a better experience. As someone that can heelflip but cant kickflip, on an egg or football shape, set up your feet more like an ollie. The tapered kicks dont work well with traditional heelflip foot positioning so you need more of your shoe on the board to compensate
If you like that Real 8.5” Lintell deck and want a symmetrical deck check out the Welcome Evil Twin 8.5” shape. It also has that same 14.25” wheelbase as that Real deck. I just wish there were more Twin Tail options around.
I skated big boards in the 80's, of course...that's all we had. I never liked the 7.5 board era. I LOVE skating an 8.5 popsicle now. At 49 years old, I really can't afford that learning curve time to even attempt to switch it up, I feel like. I'm very used to my Darkroom 8.5 and 55mm wheels. Definitely been seeing a lot of younger guys rockin' the egg shapes and "shaped" boards lately. Which is super rad, but I'm just gonna stick with whatever already works for me at my age. Glad you're showing us content with this egg board, though. It's definitely interesting to see.
Yeah I think an 8.5 popsicle is my favorite. I’m still going through wheel madness though lol. Shaped boards have definitely made a comeback. I could never rock one of those 80’s shapes but I love seeing people ripping on them.
heelflip tip on eggs: try putting your front foot more on the ollie position, and then kick diagonally out (i cant heelflip with my toes hanging off so when i try my preferred foot placement on a egg it flips alot more responsively)
fell in love with the popsicle/egg shape when i rode a lot of baker boards back in the day. Got pretty deep in the dm's with hewitt about setups or fun all-round setups and 8.38 w/ 159 indys was a subject of discussion we got pretty hyped on. Then grimple started making 8.38 and 8.62 egg shapes for a few runs. And i thought my love for the egg shape/profile couldnt get any deeper. I swear by this shape not too hyped on the nose/tail size on the real/ishod twin tail. But after a few years/getting into my old head stages....that black label jake reuter custom egg 9" shape is calling to me...i never got my hands on the 8.62 grimple egg sadly. I never rode 8.25 boards...bc the second i saw i could get my hands on a flat concave 8.38 baker/egg....i rode those for a bit...up until they stopped pressing that shape/profile. It was like an 8.38 between the bolts....but tapered/egged to have a nose/tail closer to an 8.13....and that setup was a hoot. Id say the 9" reuter egg would probably clear up some of the heelflip issue but you have to flick more forward or drag more before the bolts and IMO a wider deck helps have more contact/surface to initiate with. At least the lighter trucks help with a larger setup. For a flat/slappy/funbox/pyramid setup id say consider ventures...but if youre in love with turning/turnability...i wouldnt leave the aces far. Though ventures/thunders do open up a lot more potential for fliptricks...at a major cost to what aces/indys offer for turning/speed chaining tricks wall to wall etc.
bought an egg shape board for fun because they looked so cool and different. skated 3 days with it, couple of times just riding around and one at the skate park, definitely feels weird and "wrong" in a sense. after decades of lookingdown and seeing a rounded nose, i feel like the visual shape of the egg is throwing me off more than anything. also the nose and tail have a steeper angle than what im used to as well... there are some great things about it but some bad as well, for example flip tricks i feel stay in place a lot better (at least that was my perception) i guess due to the mass of the board being more compressed in the middle where the board is widest, but even though the nose and tail were about the same surface area as my 8.125 board, they felt so much smaller because of how narrower they get. all in all i think that i will be moving to a 8.5 popsicle board shape for my normal skating and i'll probablhy setup the egg as a fun cruiser with bigger wheels because i dont see the point in skating it to do tricks.
@@256k_ man as it turned out it wasn’t egg boards that were the problem, it was the dimension on this specific board in the video that threw me off. This one is almost a mini with a shorter length and WB than normal and for whatever reason I didn’t really pay attention to that when I was buying it, I just saw 8.75 egg and went in. Also I was skating AF1’s which shrunk the WB down to
@@dadboard really? interesting! im also considering giving another eg board a try this time even bigger (like 9.25) for me the 14.3" WB was a perfect sweet spot but it's the overall shape/nose/tail that was throwing me off, they taper soo much they feel smaller than my 8" popsicle. maybe this is why people tend to go with a much bigger sized egg, to compensate the tapering of the nose and tail. at this point ive been buying decks left and right trying to find the sweet spot but i'm starting to get sick of this board madness and just wanna settle into a good shape and size and just stick with it. pretty sure 8.5" and 14.25 WB popsicle is the sweet spot for me. but those eggs sure look and feel cool to ride no lie
I also found big wheels on an eggboard absolutely strange, but couldn't say why. Smaller wheels are much better, for me the 52 mm nano cubics were actually the best choice so far
I believe the taper is throwing off your heel flips. You can't really see where your heel flicks of the taper. With the kick flip, you can still see the set up better. Basically, you may be relying on muscle memory only for the heel flip. Just my thought. Anyway, I love the channel and your skating.
It turns out it was most likely the shortened wheelbase (along with AF1’s) and board length. Almost a year after I made this video I tried a standard 9.1 egg and really liked it.
My only problem with egg boards is a lot of them have too small of a tail for my 12.5 feet but besides that I love how wide and fun they are to skate. I swear they make some trick 10x easier and some at least twice as hard. Never had a symmetrical egg yet that might be my next buy
So I’ve kind of noticed the same thing with kickflips and heel flips. If you try it again, try pulling your foot more towards the middle of the board. Usually I hang my toes off of the edge for heelflips, but on my egg I had to keep my toes more on the board. Basically, I flicked my heel right at the end, and because of the taper I was missing the flick. So it helped to just pretend my board was smaller than it was. I hope that makes sense haha.
Stoked for that next episode. I still feel like popsicle decks are mostly, if not entirely symmetrical 90% of the time. I think the real issue is that the deck is just very wide.
Idk dude I even rode a 10” heroin board for a little bit and I could flip it around. Something about the egg and how short it is just threw me off. You can see the measurements usually online or measure yourself next time you buy a board, they’re definitely not symmetrical. There’s tons of little nuances in modern boards that make them asymmetrical
10" board is big, I guess I missed that video and am wrong about that. Makes sense that the oval corners would make a difference. There's that concave spot above the wheels on your typical skate deck that isn't going to be the same on the egg.
@@timt183 oh no this was way before I had a YT channel. I somehow ended up with a heroin dead Dave board and tried to use it to learn slappies 😂 I was still kinda getting back into skating and had no idea what I was doing but saw all the slappy guys rocking giant boards so I thought it would help. It did not.
Yeah I’m sticking with regular boards. Every time I do major shape changes I basically have to relearn a few things. Best to just ride the same shape/similar ones if you can. Eggs look cool though 😀
I had 2 Heroin eggs, both on 8.75 trucks, 9.25 I got along with very well, felt like a solid 8.75. Then had 9” that just felt tiny ( felt smaller than 8.5) and was no bueno! I’m sure wheelbase may have been a factor in there, but it’s hard to unpack it all
Yeah these theories/AF1’s dropped and I was in love. You know I FW theories. One day I’ll get some thunders. Probably when the YT money comes in I’ll do a proper review and compare to them to the others
It's wild how such a small measurement can make a huge difference. I was riding around on a Welcome Chris Miller board and that has a 14.75" WB and holy shit that sucks to do anything on lol.
I’m a giant egg head, bud, and I can tell you right now they are not for everyone. General pros of them for me are they help scoop tres, help my kickflips and heel flips not be so mob, less surface area on the nose means less friction and longer grinds/slides for crooks/nose/tail slides. And most importantly is wide with a shorter wheel base. I rode that exact deck in the video, and i think it’s an 8.88 im pretty sure. Most boards around 8.75 and higher will have a 14.5ish wheel base. I NEED a 14.25 or lower (14.25 being my sweet spot tbh) i have short legs man, im hurtin for a short board that i can just whip around and transition and ledges but also be nice and wide for control. I love these eggs, they were made for me, but not for everyone lol. Also I can say that the short wheel base was fucking up your heel flips. Heel flips take a bit more precise timing and a wheel base change will fuck that all up. PLUS you were riding aces which have the shortest wheel base of any truck too, so you had 14.0 and aces thats an ultra tiny
Yeah if I try another egg down the line I’ll get a 9” or something, the 14” wb with AF1’s was waaay to small. I should have considered that but sometimes I just make bad decisions lol.
I feel like it definitely could be the wheelbase on that 8.75 egg, the 9.125 or 9.25 egg has a much more manageable wheel base but also doesn’t feel tooooo big
I had the reverse situation when I got an egg board, kickflips just made sense on a popsicle deck and heelflips were a thing of great confusion. Complete 180 with the egg shape, heelflips makes sense, kickflips, WTF! Perhaps heelflips are safer and my 20 year older brain is all about safety now
There's just not enough difference between this and the average popsicle stick... Grams of weight ??.... Now shape boards that have a functionality are the real deal proven decades ago 😮
Wish they would make a 8.0 egg shape that's not too pointy. I bought a 8.0 90's shaped Magenta deck (Jameel Douglas guest board) and it's so pointy the tail feels like popping off a 7.5 deck
@@dadboard idk it's just always how i've done it. i drag my foot at a sharp angle across so i still catch the edge with my heel, it just always felt so weird to try to hang my toes off the edge
Hard Boiled down to. LOVE IT!! Nice Dad joke humor right there. stinks the egg board didn't work out for you. Maybe an egg shape with a wider wheelbase would be good?
Yeah I think a wider wheelbase would be a lot better for me. I actually went from a 14.25 to a 14.50 recently and I’m loving it. Always thought a longer wb would mess me up but I was wrong
last session I went out on I couldn't land a heelflip for the life of me and it's always been my best trick, btw I count that shuv nose manny, your toe barely grazed grazed the ground bro lol but get the ocd perfectionism too im also like that
i had the same problem wuth an egg shape deck. i skated one for 2 days then could't land any tricks on flat. i whent back to popsicle shaped and everything just changed dude, i just snapped the egg beard after, they just suck i think.
I think it was the wheelbase being so short paired with AF1’s I was just not ready for it. Gonna give it another shot with these thunders and see if that does it
I would think it would take longer to get used to the new trucks and lightness of them more than the board. I have tried some light trucks but I need a little bit of the weight. The weight makes up for my lack of board control and keeps the board under me. Try heavier trucks before giving up on the board. That being said, you have for more skill and experience than I will ever have so do your thing 😂. I have only landed heelflips. Not a single kickflip has been landed in my life. Manny life, integrity 🙏. Mannie's are near term process for me to go through again I learned them in 2018 and lost them due to not sticking with them. Stay Rad Sir.
I’m pretty used to swapping out trucks at this point 😂 the hollows don’t even make a really big difference to me compared to standards. I switch between wheel sizes and shapes and board width so much I’m just in setup madness at all times it feels like. Eventually I’ll dial it in but then probably get bored and change something else drastically. I bet you can land a kickflip in a few weeks if you just go full on rocky training mode. I remember being outside for _hours_ upon hours trying to get them to work when I was about 14. I still struggle with them to this day but I find the more I do them the more I land them. Don’t ever give up, man. I’ll make you a deal, if you work on kickflips I’ll work on hard flips. I’ve only landed two in my entire life and feel the same way as you do about kickflips. We can even organize something for our channels and do some type of collab. Lmk I’m super down for a challenge
@@dadboard solid deal. Not sure if my ankle will flick. I have been a Paratrooper for over 27 years. My ankles are so stiff I have never even twisted it 🤣. Stay Rad Sir
save that board and come back to it when you can get some Venture Hi's and Thunders to try on it. i think Ventures would suit your skating better from watching your vids, they'll increase the wheel base on this board the most also.
I know I had ventures at some point in the early 2k’s and for a long time I was strictly Thunder, but the boards were a lot smaller in that era too. I do plan on getting some thunders pretty much just to make use of this board as like a curb only setup
the SHAPE of the board is the symmetrical (nose body tail) looking from the top but the Nose and tail have different angles of them like a "normal" board.
Dude you got me onto slappy trucks and dragon wheels and I have the and Anderson egg symmetrical deck and been wanting to try an official egg hope to get one soon and my wheelbase is 14.5
It’s really nice…it’s more of a double nose shape so you really have to smack your trick to get that pop…but since it’s got fiberglass in it …it’s super stiff and lasts really long even at my weight of 240 atm
Hey man! Big fan of your channel. I can definitely relate on the weird heelflip situation. I’ve had a very similar experience. Heels are my go to out of the car. My experience has been… I always ride a 14.25 Wb. I’ve been on and off of egg shapes for a couple of years. What I’ve found is that, because I’m so used to the 14.25 wb, when I’ve tried a 14wb heelflips were less consistent. On top of that, here’s the other weirdness. It seems you love Ace, which they are amazing! Shout out Joey! With Ace trucks though, because of their geometry, they shorten your wb even more. So you’re 14wb on your skateboard now, is probably more of a 13.75/13.38 now. I’ve tried Aces, but Ventures are my trucks. I noticed when I was riding aces, on 14.25/14 WB’s my heels became less and less. Went back to ventures on a 14.25 wb on popsicles and eggs, all good. It’s not the shape, it’s the wb and the truck geometry. Sorry for the super nerd rant, just wanted to let you know it’s not you… ha! Great channel man! I cruise through Sac every now and then driving to the City from Portland. Would love to sesh sometime… Thanks for the great vids!
Yeah with AF1’s the wheelbase was probably closer to 13.5” which is tiny. I might get some thunders down the line and try this board out again just as like a slappy setup, that way I won’t even click the tail and lose my mind
I’ve been thinking of trying some Thunders. Love that they’re lower than most trucks on the market. I do the same - one just slappy board (no clicking). It’s a 9.5 Heroin egg. Then my “everyday setup” 8.5 Jk Industries. Both 14.25 wb.
ventures just BLAST with minimal effort even in transition/pop came so easy comapred to the indys i was riding i was pretty surprised...just harder to skate/manage at high speed/transition wall to wall. But those half cabs and fs/bs airs...just SNAP
so refreshing to see someone skate in a parking lot and not at a park , thanks for that. I love the deluxe twin tails Ishod and Worrest both use the same 8.38 everslick that has like a 14.38 wheelbase , Dont know whats up with REAL's graphic design these days but the Worrest are'nt bad ,they feel great with Aces , good no BS vid
Hey thanks so much, dude! I do like skateparks but I feel you, it’s way funner to watch people skate street, I watch a lot of skate TH-cam and I sorta fall off after awhile if they’re _only_ skating parks for so long. Gotta get out and hunt for spots that aren’t perfectly setup to skate, that’s a big part of the fun. Or at least skate shitty skateparks that are like a street spot lol
Bro it was a straight up dealbreaker lol. I used to be a huge crailtap fan but seems like they sorta got lost in obscurity as the years went on. Last I heard their wood was really poorly made or has that changed? If they have an 8.5 symmetrical I’d be down to give it a shot
@@dadboard I think Chris robberts got a twin 8.5 available and not sure about the wood it’s been many years since Iv skated one I’m stuck in late 90’s early 2000’s and still ride a 7.75 lol
45 According to time, rode a 7.62 for decades. Stepped up to a Zip Zogger recently and haven’t looked back. Bigger board, bigger fun… set up with Bronsons, Ace 77’s (Bottom washer off) 53MM 101A core wheels, no risers… shakey loose trucks.
Dude you used the egg board the wrong way, theres a reason there called curb killers and you didnt do one slappy, the pointy nose makes it easier to ride on to slappy
Couldn’t slappy because of the dog shot clinic 😂 but I am considering getting some thunders to extend its wheelbase and using it as a slappy only setup down the line. I hate wasting stuff.
Great video Man, this board shapes remember me a 90's boards vibes, but right now, trending topic Is to get a simétrical boards, a Lot of people use them, in the 2000's I saw he first simétrical boards with Plan B. Anyways nice boards And great featuring Ace trucks. 💯👍
Heal flips hit the side of the nose and eggs are a little pointy. Also nose and tail slides will be Strange if the nose and tail aren't wider to compensate for it. The egg has to be around 3/4 wider than your popsicle to make the nose wide enough no have a good feel for me. I rode a 8.5 with 159s and my first newer egg was 9.125 and I had no weird issues with it. I currently mess with 10 inch eggs with titanium 169s on 52mm wheels. The egg fever blew up and I'm currently building an 10.75 egg set up because things tend to get out of hand once the madness starts running 😆
I recently got the 9.5 egg. Absolutely love it. I’m 47 and have struggled with kickflips for the past few years. For some reason they are way easier on the egg. Also. Amazing for slappys. I can’t go back to a popsicle now. Egg is absolutely amazing.
Yo its ya boy. Been sorta down but need the entertainment/encouragement of your videos & get away from the youtubers. Glad I got a fellow heelflipper in the house. In terms of that half cab nose Manny it might be time to tighten but not here to tell you what to do. Now that I think about it I woulda died laughing if you set the toe drag freeze frame to "in the arms of the angel."
Yo. Every single change in setup throws me off for a bit... but it was obvious by your heels that it wasn't jiving w your vibes.. pulling the trigger to switch back is just as ballsy as trying something new... hard boiled... goddamnit i laughed
I like Mesa distribution as a company overall but the grip is like the perfect middle ground between mob and jessup. It doesn’t come super gritty like mob where it eats your shoes in a week but it holds its grip well past jessup and just stays really good for the life of the board. Try some out!
That’s kinda how I feel too, I’m pretty stuck in my ways but I figured with new trucks it would work. I still want to find an 8.5 twin nose/tail and give it another shot. Just no more 🥚 shape for me
That was a lot of variables to introduce at once - different shape, symmetrical, different wheelbase. Probably hard to tell what exactly was throwing you off. I’ve been really liking the Crailtap twin tip.
WB and the characteristics of the kick/run aspects to me matter most for these boards...i can run flat or steep concave...as long as theres enough run to pop good halfcabs with, or kick/run profile for impossibles
He also changed to a smaller truck size. The best way to ride an egg is to buy an egg .5 inches wider than your current popsicle. Then you add foot space not reduce it from the front and back
To each his own man. Eggs aren’t for everyone Those trucks are nice..I’m sure the skateboarding industry must be suffering $ on some level. Maybe it’s the Heroin
Symmetrical boards seem great in theory but in practice they’ll probobly take a long time to get used to.
7:04 “That’s what it…hard boils down to.”
😂🥚🤣
Love your channel.
Looks like on every Heelflip you were flicking off the side more. With the taper of eggs, you have to flick almost straight. Otherwise you get what feels like a ghost pop because your foot doesn’t grip the board at all. I would recommend one with a longer WB though for your legs. The 8.88 Avi is 14.125 and is 8.5 on the money over the trucks. Keep the vids comin brother 🤙🏽
I had the same deck but with stage4s. I loved it. But everyone is different.
That first heel flip back on the popsicle looks like it felt so right.
Oh I was so happy lol. Felt like home.
I just got this same board with Indy 139s and I think it feels great, I’m also pretty short and not very good lol, the egg shape does make a good cruiser too!
Gotta get a egg board with your preferred wheelbase 😅
as well as nose/tail length or kick/profiles
Dude thank you for this video!!! Every time I watch Franky Villiani Skate he is usually riding an egg board and I think it looks so much fun but so confusing at the same time! I bought the krooked Natus special addition thinking I could get all funky with it and it just turned into my cruiser board, Thanks for the R&D! Didn't even know about the new park, cant wait to see the footage!
Yeah dude the egg will probably just become the cruiser/slappy board. I can’t really see it being a viable daily driver for me
Stoked to see the half cab manual roll frontside 180 out, after I mentioned it in the comments on your last video!
Ah man I was scrolling and couldn’t find the comment! Was gonna shout you out for the suggestion. That trick is not easy 😅
@@dadboard loved to see it!
That was cray how the egg board just jacked your heelflip...then it was right back with the old popstickle lol... keep ripping!
That really was the defining factor 😢
i started skating in the '80s. when popsicle boards came around i figured the big/steep end was the tail. so i rode boards backwards for a while. i still do ride the nose as tail sometimes, depending on what i'm doing. i don't think i'd like symmetrical boards though, i like having the option of which end to use as tail on a standard shape
I start riding my nose as my tail too eventually when skating a deck, and I gotta say the way it pops riding it backwards is such a crazy awesome experience for me. Makes me wonder why it doesn’t feel or pop like that when riding my board normal
IMO it seems more "at home" for contest riders chaining/doing tricks that dont want that HEADGAME of if theyre setting up with their board backwards etc...if theyre doing bigspin boards to fakie..etc into cab lips etc. I see the value much higher at that "level" than for most of us. PLUS i see the level of "value" in a twin tail 8.38 the typical width i ride for standard shapes...as equal as getting a shaped/bowl/slappy board etc...from a sick graphic/company i want to back financially etc. As a general skater its all the same to me and whether i can afford to add it to a quiver. Its just when you have 159 indys and 6.1 ventures in rotation as well as some stage IV and hollow mids...you have a few options/sizes and often have the perfect trucks/wheels for the next shaped/all rounder setup. Things like that jump higher in the list than a 8.38 twin tail that im generally going to be "PUSHING" it with on obstacles or trying to re-live my youths bag of tricks etc...and id rather just put that level of effort into learning a new shape/setup on larger/air/speed type features...or bowls.
Smaller wheelbase means having your foot closer to the middle of the board .
I have short legs and a 14" wb with Aces really messes with me. I think if you tried it with different trucks you'd have a better experience. As someone that can heelflip but cant kickflip, on an egg or football shape, set up your feet more like an ollie. The tapered kicks dont work well with traditional heelflip foot positioning so you need more of your shoe on the board to compensate
If you like that Real 8.5” Lintell deck and want a symmetrical deck check out the Welcome Evil Twin 8.5” shape. It also has that same 14.25” wheelbase as that Real deck. I just wish there were more Twin Tail options around.
Skating a non symmetrical egg board and I love it. Not sure if I’d want a symmetrical one due to just not having a nose not sure if I’d like it
I skated big boards in the 80's, of course...that's all we had. I never liked the 7.5 board era. I LOVE skating an 8.5 popsicle now. At 49 years old, I really can't afford that learning curve time to even attempt to switch it up, I feel like. I'm very used to my Darkroom 8.5 and 55mm wheels. Definitely been seeing a lot of younger guys rockin' the egg shapes and "shaped" boards lately. Which is super rad, but I'm just gonna stick with whatever already works for me at my age. Glad you're showing us content with this egg board, though. It's definitely interesting to see.
Yeah I think an 8.5 popsicle is my favorite. I’m still going through wheel madness though lol. Shaped boards have definitely made a comeback. I could never rock one of those 80’s shapes but I love seeing people ripping on them.
Try an egg.
heelflip tip on eggs: try putting your front foot more on the ollie position, and then kick diagonally out (i cant heelflip with my toes hanging off so when i try my preferred foot placement on a egg it flips alot more responsively)
I also have mad love for the heelflip. I suck at kickflips
fell in love with the popsicle/egg shape when i rode a lot of baker boards back in the day. Got pretty deep in the dm's with hewitt about setups or fun all-round setups and 8.38 w/ 159 indys was a subject of discussion we got pretty hyped on. Then grimple started making 8.38 and 8.62 egg shapes for a few runs. And i thought my love for the egg shape/profile couldnt get any deeper. I swear by this shape not too hyped on the nose/tail size on the real/ishod twin tail. But after a few years/getting into my old head stages....that black label jake reuter custom egg 9" shape is calling to me...i never got my hands on the 8.62 grimple egg sadly. I never rode 8.25 boards...bc the second i saw i could get my hands on a flat concave 8.38 baker/egg....i rode those for a bit...up until they stopped pressing that shape/profile. It was like an 8.38 between the bolts....but tapered/egged to have a nose/tail closer to an 8.13....and that setup was a hoot. Id say the 9" reuter egg would probably clear up some of the heelflip issue but you have to flick more forward or drag more before the bolts and IMO a wider deck helps have more contact/surface to initiate with. At least the lighter trucks help with a larger setup. For a flat/slappy/funbox/pyramid setup id say consider ventures...but if youre in love with turning/turnability...i wouldnt leave the aces far. Though ventures/thunders do open up a lot more potential for fliptricks...at a major cost to what aces/indys offer for turning/speed chaining tricks wall to wall etc.
"that might be NBD for me" queue the toe touch 😩😩😩😂
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bought an egg shape board for fun because they looked so cool and different. skated 3 days with it, couple of times just riding around and one at the skate park, definitely feels weird and "wrong" in a sense. after decades of lookingdown and seeing a rounded nose, i feel like the visual shape of the egg is throwing me off more than anything. also the nose and tail have a steeper angle than what im used to as well...
there are some great things about it but some bad as well, for example flip tricks i feel stay in place a lot better (at least that was my perception) i guess due to the mass of the board being more compressed in the middle where the board is widest, but even though the nose and tail were about the same surface area as my 8.125 board, they felt so much smaller because of how narrower they get.
all in all i think that i will be moving to a 8.5 popsicle board shape for my normal skating and i'll probablhy setup the egg as a fun cruiser with bigger wheels because i dont see the point in skating it to do tricks.
@@256k_ man as it turned out it wasn’t egg boards that were the problem, it was the dimension on this specific board in the video that threw me off. This one is almost a mini with a shorter length and WB than normal and for whatever reason I didn’t really pay attention to that when I was buying it, I just saw 8.75 egg and went in. Also I was skating AF1’s which shrunk the WB down to
@@dadboard really? interesting! im also considering giving another eg board a try this time even bigger (like 9.25)
for me the 14.3" WB was a perfect sweet spot but it's the overall shape/nose/tail that was throwing me off, they taper soo much they feel smaller than my 8" popsicle. maybe this is why people tend to go with a much bigger sized egg, to compensate the tapering of the nose and tail.
at this point ive been buying decks left and right trying to find the sweet spot but i'm starting to get sick of this board madness and just wanna settle into a good shape and size and just stick with it. pretty sure 8.5" and 14.25 WB popsicle is the sweet spot for me. but those eggs sure look and feel cool to ride no lie
I also found big wheels on an eggboard absolutely strange, but couldn't say why. Smaller wheels are much better, for me the 52 mm nano cubics were actually the best choice so far
I believe the taper is throwing off your heel flips. You can't really see where your heel flicks of the taper. With the kick flip, you can still see the set up better. Basically, you may be relying on muscle memory only for the heel flip. Just my thought. Anyway, I love the channel and your skating.
It turns out it was most likely the shortened wheelbase (along with AF1’s) and board length. Almost a year after I made this video I tried a standard 9.1 egg and really liked it.
My only problem with egg boards is a lot of them have too small of a tail for my 12.5 feet but besides that I love how wide and fun they are to skate.
I swear they make some trick 10x easier and some at least twice as hard.
Never had a symmetrical egg yet that might be my next buy
Been waiting few weeks for this joint
So I’ve kind of noticed the same thing with kickflips and heel flips. If you try it again, try pulling your foot more towards the middle of the board.
Usually I hang my toes off of the edge for heelflips, but on my egg I had to keep my toes more on the board. Basically, I flicked my heel right at the end, and because of the taper I was missing the flick. So it helped to just pretend my board was smaller than it was. I hope that makes sense haha.
Yeah same foot setup for when I do mine that makes sense.
Stoked for that next episode. I still feel like popsicle decks are mostly, if not entirely symmetrical 90% of the time. I think the real issue is that the deck is just very wide.
Idk dude I even rode a 10” heroin board for a little bit and I could flip it around. Something about the egg and how short it is just threw me off. You can see the measurements usually online or measure yourself next time you buy a board, they’re definitely not symmetrical. There’s tons of little nuances in modern boards that make them asymmetrical
10" board is big, I guess I missed that video and am wrong about that. Makes sense that the oval corners would make a difference. There's that concave spot above the wheels on your typical skate deck that isn't going to be the same on the egg.
@@timt183 oh no this was way before I had a YT channel. I somehow ended up with a heroin dead Dave board and tried to use it to learn slappies 😂 I was still kinda getting back into skating and had no idea what I was doing but saw all the slappy guys rocking giant boards so I thought it would help. It did not.
theyre symmetrical curvature wise, but the nose is steeper than the tail
Yeah I’m sticking with regular boards. Every time I do major shape changes I basically have to relearn a few things. Best to just ride the same shape/similar ones if you can. Eggs look cool though 😀
You wanna skate a symmetrical deck skate Jamie Foys pro model. Such an amazing feeling board. He doesn’t F around with shape.
I had 2 Heroin eggs, both on 8.75 trucks, 9.25 I got along with very well, felt like a solid 8.75. Then had 9” that just felt tiny ( felt smaller than 8.5) and was no bueno! I’m sure wheelbase may have been a factor in there, but it’s hard to unpack it all
Yeah dude the geometry of these things is all over the place 😂 I wasn’t ready
Man you’re really consistent
I just don’t include all the bails 😂 but thank you man!
And yet still no thunder hollows.
Yeah these theories/AF1’s dropped and I was in love. You know I FW theories. One day I’ll get some thunders. Probably when the YT money comes in I’ll do a proper review and compare to them to the others
what size truck good for 9.125?
I’d go 8.75 or 9” but I’ve ridden a 9.1 egg comfortably on 8.5 axles.
@@dadboard 8.5 truck 2 washers before the wheel or just normal ?
It's wild how such a small measurement can make a huge difference. I was riding around on a Welcome Chris Miller board and that has a 14.75" WB and holy shit that sucks to do anything on lol.
Oh yeah that’s huge. I think 14.25 is the sweet spot for me
@@dadboard Yeah that's about the ideal for modern board sizes I think.
I love my egg. Heroin space egg 2 in 9.4
Experiencing the same thing with heelflips/kickflips currently too
You gonna stick it out?
@@dadboard I wouldn’t say mine is as severe. And it’s not an egg
I’m a giant egg head, bud, and I can tell you right now they are not for everyone. General pros of them for me are they help scoop tres, help my kickflips and heel flips not be so mob, less surface area on the nose means less friction and longer grinds/slides for crooks/nose/tail slides. And most importantly is wide with a shorter wheel base. I rode that exact deck in the video, and i think it’s an 8.88 im pretty sure. Most boards around 8.75 and higher will have a 14.5ish wheel base. I NEED a 14.25 or lower (14.25 being my sweet spot tbh) i have short legs man, im hurtin for a short board that i can just whip around and transition and ledges but also be nice and wide for control. I love these eggs, they were made for me, but not for everyone lol.
Also I can say that the short wheel base was fucking up your heel flips. Heel flips take a bit more precise timing and a wheel base change will fuck that all up. PLUS you were riding aces which have the shortest wheel base of any truck too, so you had 14.0 and aces thats an ultra tiny
Yeah if I try another egg down the line I’ll get a 9” or something, the 14” wb with AF1’s was waaay to small. I should have considered that but sometimes I just make bad decisions lol.
I feel like it definitely could be the wheelbase on that 8.75 egg, the 9.125 or 9.25 egg has a much more manageable wheel base but also doesn’t feel tooooo big
Also since the ace trucks bring the wheel in it definitely doesn’t help much with already short egg boards
I probably should have gone with thunders after all 😭 AF1’s definitely bring the wb in even further
Thanks for the honest review of an egg board 😂.
Gonna be revisiting this board with thunders, I think the AF1’s shrunk the already short wheelbase to a point where it really threw me off
@@dadboard oh okay
I had the reverse situation when I got an egg board, kickflips just made sense on a popsicle deck and heelflips were a thing of great confusion. Complete 180 with the egg shape, heelflips makes sense, kickflips, WTF!
Perhaps heelflips are safer and my 20 year older brain is all about safety now
😂 skateboarding is weird like that
@@dadboard ain't it just 🤣
dude.. your editing is so nice ! sry the egg doesn't work for you, never tried one and never will i guess. sticking to what i know.
There's just not enough difference between this and the average popsicle stick...
Grams of weight ??.... Now shape boards that have a functionality are the real deal proven decades ago 😮
Man that color combo is so sexy! I subcribe to you! Gotta see more of you! Next month is my time for Razor egg 9.5 or Bail Gun Gary 9.75
I have the same board. And I have the same issue with heelflips... I thought it was just me!😅
Dude, it’s crazy right?
Wish they would make a 8.0 egg shape that's not too pointy. I bought a 8.0 90's shaped Magenta deck (Jameel Douglas guest board) and it's so pointy the tail feels like popping off a 7.5 deck
The thing with eggs is that they have to be wider in the middle, so like a 8.75 almost feels closer to an 8.25 while riding.
Glider Skateboards has a good twin tail popsicle shape board.
Never heard of them, who runs it?
@@dadboard Not sure, but I know Sean Brown skates em, I was planning on getting one myself
my setup for heelflips/varial heels is the same as kickflips
That’s wild, how? Lol
@@dadboard idk it's just always how i've done it. i drag my foot at a sharp angle across so i still catch the edge with my heel, it just always felt so weird to try to hang my toes off the edge
Hard Boiled down to. LOVE IT!! Nice Dad joke humor right there. stinks the egg board didn't work out for you. Maybe an egg shape with a wider wheelbase would be good?
Yeah I think a wider wheelbase would be a lot better for me. I actually went from a 14.25 to a 14.50 recently and I’m loving it. Always thought a longer wb would mess me up but I was wrong
I can deal with a tapered nose but hate tapered tails.
You can try the indypendent 96A yellow PU, it is not easy to get stuck on the wheels
你可以一下尝试indypendent 96A黄色的PU 不容易卡住轮子
last session I went out on I couldn't land a heelflip for the life of me and it's always been my best trick, btw I count that shuv nose manny, your toe barely grazed grazed the ground bro lol but get the ocd perfectionism too im also like that
I’ll take it lol. Sometimes even the most comfy tricks just don’t want to work 😩
Yeah I got those trucks . Amazing and look great
i had the same problem wuth an egg shape deck. i skated one for 2 days then could't land any tricks on flat. i whent back to popsicle shaped and everything just changed dude, i just snapped the egg beard after, they just suck i think.
I think it was the wheelbase being so short paired with AF1’s I was just not ready for it. Gonna give it another shot with these thunders and see if that does it
@@dadboard ya that might work, hope it dose. i got a 14.25 WB 8.0 some tricks i cant land on that.
I would think it would take longer to get used to the new trucks and lightness of them more than the board.
I have tried some light trucks but I need a little bit of the weight. The weight makes up for my lack of board control and keeps the board under me.
Try heavier trucks before giving up on the board. That being said, you have for more skill and experience than I will ever have so do your thing 😂.
I have only landed heelflips. Not a single kickflip has been landed in my life.
Manny life, integrity 🙏. Mannie's are near term process for me to go through again I learned them in 2018 and lost them due to not sticking with them.
Stay Rad Sir.
I’m pretty used to swapping out trucks at this point 😂 the hollows don’t even make a really big difference to me compared to standards. I switch between wheel sizes and shapes and board width so much I’m just in setup madness at all times it feels like. Eventually I’ll dial it in but then probably get bored and change something else drastically. I bet you can land a kickflip in a few weeks if you just go full on rocky training mode. I remember being outside for _hours_ upon hours trying to get them to work when I was about 14. I still struggle with them to this day but I find the more I do them the more I land them. Don’t ever give up, man. I’ll make you a deal, if you work on kickflips I’ll work on hard flips. I’ve only landed two in my entire life and feel the same way as you do about kickflips. We can even organize something for our channels and do some type of collab. Lmk I’m super down for a challenge
@@dadboard solid deal. Not sure if my ankle will flick. I have been a Paratrooper for over 27 years. My ankles are so stiff I have never even twisted it 🤣. Stay Rad Sir
You've got hella pop for an older dude!
save that board and come back to it when you can get some Venture Hi's and Thunders to try on it. i think Ventures would suit your skating better from watching your vids, they'll increase the wheel base on this board the most also.
I know I had ventures at some point in the early 2k’s and for a long time I was strictly Thunder, but the boards were a lot smaller in that era too. I do plan on getting some thunders pretty much just to make use of this board as like a curb only setup
Consistent
I’m eating eggs as I watch this video. Over easy not 7 ply
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Just use it for slappys
I wonder if a short wb will be better or worse for slappys 🤔 that’s most likely what I’ll do with this board.
shuv nose manny was incredible, count it🤷🏽♂️
That egg board is wack thats for these new "curb" skaters.
Curb skaters are rad, man. I wish I could skate like those guys. The egg just isn’t for everyone.
The future is 15 wb and 92 shapes so do it
I don’t think the toe touched. It looked like just shadow.
Probably could have barely slide a piece of paper under my foot but I gotta get a better one 😭
AMBASING 😩😩😩✊✊✊💦💦💦💦
the SHAPE of the board is the symmetrical (nose body tail) looking from the top but the Nose and tail have different angles of them like a "normal" board.
Dude you got me onto slappy trucks and dragon wheels and I have the and Anderson egg symmetrical deck and been wanting to try an official egg hope to get one soon and my wheelbase is 14.5
I’m eventually gonna have to try one of the && boards out. How are you liking it?
It’s really nice…it’s more of a double nose shape so you really have to smack your trick to get that pop…but since it’s got fiberglass in it …it’s super stiff and lasts really long even at my weight of 240 atm
Hey man! Big fan of your channel. I can definitely relate on the weird heelflip situation. I’ve had a very similar experience. Heels are my go to out of the car. My experience has been… I always ride a 14.25 Wb. I’ve been on and off of egg shapes for a couple of years. What I’ve found is that, because I’m so used to the 14.25 wb, when I’ve tried a 14wb heelflips were less consistent. On top of that, here’s the other weirdness. It seems you love Ace, which they are amazing! Shout out Joey! With Ace trucks though, because of their geometry, they shorten your wb even more. So you’re 14wb on your skateboard now, is probably more of a 13.75/13.38 now. I’ve tried Aces, but Ventures are my trucks. I noticed when I was riding aces, on 14.25/14 WB’s my heels became less and less. Went back to ventures on a 14.25 wb on popsicles and eggs, all good. It’s not the shape, it’s the wb and the truck geometry. Sorry for the super nerd rant, just wanted to let you know it’s not you… ha! Great channel man! I cruise through Sac every now and then driving to the City from Portland. Would love to sesh sometime… Thanks for the great vids!
Yeah with AF1’s the wheelbase was probably closer to 13.5” which is tiny. I might get some thunders down the line and try this board out again just as like a slappy setup, that way I won’t even click the tail and lose my mind
I’ve been thinking of trying some Thunders. Love that they’re lower than most trucks on the market. I do the same - one just slappy board (no clicking). It’s a 9.5 Heroin egg. Then my “everyday setup” 8.5 Jk Industries. Both 14.25 wb.
ventures just BLAST with minimal effort even in transition/pop came so easy comapred to the indys i was riding i was pretty surprised...just harder to skate/manage at high speed/transition wall to wall. But those half cabs and fs/bs airs...just SNAP
so refreshing to see someone skate in a parking lot and not at a park , thanks for that. I love the deluxe twin tails Ishod and Worrest both use the same 8.38 everslick that has like a 14.38 wheelbase , Dont know whats up with REAL's graphic design these days but the Worrest are'nt bad ,they feel great with Aces , good no BS vid
Hey thanks so much, dude! I do like skateparks but I feel you, it’s way funner to watch people skate street, I watch a lot of skate TH-cam and I sorta fall off after awhile if they’re _only_ skating parks for so long. Gotta get out and hunt for spots that aren’t perfectly setup to skate, that’s a big part of the fun. Or at least skate shitty skateparks that are like a street spot lol
Dude .. heel flip it straight off the front of the nose .. not at an angle
I don't know how Franky does it
I’m a heelflip guy myself I would just as upset. Also try a choclate/girl twin that might be the move
Bro it was a straight up dealbreaker lol. I used to be a huge crailtap fan but seems like they sorta got lost in obscurity as the years went on. Last I heard their wood was really poorly made or has that changed? If they have an 8.5 symmetrical I’d be down to give it a shot
@@dadboard I think Chris robberts got a twin 8.5 available and not sure about the wood it’s been many years since Iv skated one I’m stuck in late 90’s early 2000’s and still ride a 7.75 lol
45 According to time, rode a 7.62 for decades. Stepped up to a Zip Zogger recently and haven’t looked back. Bigger board, bigger fun… set up with Bronsons, Ace 77’s (Bottom washer off) 53MM 101A core wheels, no risers… shakey loose trucks.
Wanna sell me the eggie?
Yo I’ll buy that deck off of you if it’s just sitting around 👍I hate heel flips ! I’m more of a kickflip guy ! Lmk thx
I think I’m gonna give it another shot now that I have thunders. The WB being so small was screwing me up with Aces
Dude you used the egg board the wrong way, theres a reason there called curb killers and you didnt do one slappy, the pointy nose makes it easier to ride on to slappy
Couldn’t slappy because of the dog shot clinic 😂 but I am considering getting some thunders to extend its wheelbase and using it as a slappy only setup down the line. I hate wasting stuff.
@@dadboard hell ya dude! Also the pointy nose and tail make it so easy to wrap tricks like impossibles and tre flips, i learned switch tres on mine
When you master a trick, board shape and foot placements become irrelevant. So maybe you never had heel flips.
Nollie flip on a Winkowski than
So far you’ve left two negative comments on my channel. You just come here to be a bummer or what?
Great video Man, this board shapes remember me a 90's boards vibes, but right now, trending topic Is to get a simétrical boards, a Lot of people use them, in the 2000's I saw he first simétrical boards with Plan B. Anyways nice boards And great featuring Ace trucks. 💯👍
Heal flips hit the side of the nose and eggs are a little pointy. Also nose and tail slides will be Strange if the nose and tail aren't wider to compensate for it. The egg has to be around 3/4 wider than your popsicle to make the nose wide enough no have a good feel for me. I rode a 8.5 with 159s and my first newer egg was 9.125 and I had no weird issues with it. I currently mess with 10 inch eggs with titanium 169s on 52mm wheels. The egg fever blew up and I'm currently building an 10.75 egg set up because things tend to get out of hand once the madness starts running 😆
I recently got the 9.5 egg. Absolutely love it. I’m 47 and have struggled with kickflips for the past few years. For some reason they are way easier on the egg. Also. Amazing for slappys. I can’t go back to a popsicle now. Egg is absolutely amazing.
Yo its ya boy. Been sorta down but need the entertainment/encouragement of your videos & get away from the youtubers. Glad I got a fellow heelflipper in the house. In terms of that half cab nose Manny it might be time to tighten but not here to tell you what to do. Now that I think about it I woulda died laughing if you set the toe drag freeze frame to "in the arms of the angel."
you need that andy anderson
On my 40th birthday I’ll give in and try one 😂
Hey, nice video
Would you reccomend 8.5 or 8.75 inch wide trucks for an 8.75 egg?
Yo. Every single change in setup throws me off for a bit... but it was obvious by your heels that it wasn't jiving w your vibes.. pulling the trigger to switch back is just as ballsy as trying something new... hard boiled... goddamnit i laughed
Yeah man I haven’t struggled like that with a familiar trick since I started back at skating. I was like genuinely getting depressed.
Gotta take in the fact that you been riding the other board for more years and not just first day on it
whats the idea behind the grip tape, what does it do to ypur kickflips
That shuv it nose manny was sweet. I don’t care if there was a toe drag. Keep it up man. Nose manuals are a tough one for me.
Thanks dude! I was pretty heartbroken but the fact that I even got into one and held it was a big step for me. Gonna be doing that one again for sure
Why do you fw pepper over mob or jessup? Better grip?
I like Mesa distribution as a company overall but the grip is like the perfect middle ground between mob and jessup. It doesn’t come super gritty like mob where it eats your shoes in a week but it holds its grip well past jessup and just stays really good for the life of the board. Try some out!
Heeeey, what shoe is that? Looking fresh!
good and informative straight to the point
Couldn’t do symmetrical board, my back truck is my back truck and my front is my front,just to much to mess with! Great video as usual.
That’s kinda how I feel too, I’m pretty stuck in my ways but I figured with new trucks it would work. I still want to find an 8.5 twin nose/tail and give it another shot. Just no more 🥚 shape for me
I enjoy the shit out of your skating fam. Dope bag of tricks and style and you’re a Heel flipper 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 let’s go!
Thank you, dude! Appreciate you watching!
I think with eggs. You have to up the board size. If you skate an 8.75 popsicle I would skate a 9.1 or 9.25 egg. The taper is a huge factor.
Yeah definitely. I’ll give a bigger one a shot eventually
I think with eggs, you have to go way way wider than you would think you should (like at least a 9). 8.75 felt like an 8 for me
Learn Paxton (dude in the intro clip) said the same thing 🤦♂️ I should have done a bit more research
Great vid man 👊
Try putting some thunders on the egg, they make the wb a bit longer, that might help.
What’s funny is I was so close to buying thunders for this board but chickened out at the last minute 🤦♂️
@@dadboard haha why not? just look at it like a tool you need 🤑 even if they dont work you can always use them later right
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11:33 the violins (or possibly cello)🎻😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🎻
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What size were the Ace trucks you were riding on the egg board?
They are 55’s so an 8.5 axle.