Electric Seaplane? Exclusive look under the hood of the eBeaver by magniX at Harbour Air Vancouver!
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- I had the honor of getting a private tour of the exterior by the energetic Erika Holtz who dove deep into the tech with me. A mechanic also gave me a close look under the hood. I had a lot of fun with this interview, I think you will too!
See also my numerous posts on X (Twitter) about this eBeaver tour:
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The lead engineer is very impressive. I expect she'll have an amazing career. Good on Harbour Air for hiring her. The world needs more personable and articulate engineers like her.
I could not agree more, my thoughts exactly, thank you so much for sharing your feelings, I’m sure Erika will appreciate it!
what a well spoken intelligent engineer they have. She gives me faith that this company will figure out all the challenges and be successful.
This is very interesting, thumbs up Harbour Air! 👍👍
Absolutely fantastic project! Huge compliments to the engineer in providing a great background on the project thats still accessible to someone outside aviation.
Couldn't agree more!
I guess Y/T algorithms brought me this cuz I’m watch all the Beaver/Otter videos. I can’t believe you have only 23k subscribers (+1 more). Lead engineer was obviously thrilled you came prepared and did your homework. That’s what makes this video great.
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Thanks Paul for this video. What a great idea! I look forward to riding on one in the future.
Richard
Great to see you here Richard, glad you liked it! I have a Pipistrel electric airplane video to upload soon too, but first I'm helping run an EVent these next 2 days:
tinkertry.com/speaking-at-neevs-2024
I've heard hundreds of Beaver takeoffs, but never one that quiet! Amazing. Looking forward to see it fly over my house one day (on the Fraser, South of Vancouver)
Awesome, once the new LFP batteries used will increase range massively!! Cars with 1000km range now with CATL batteries
Really?
Unfortunately, LFPs tend to have less energy density, so I imagine a use case like this will tend to go toward higher energy densities in the years to come. It will be fun to see how things progress!
Very interesting. I've flown an electric Paramotor as well as a two-stroke powered one. The reserve power thing is very interesting thinking and my paramotor experience is quite similar. When flying a battery that was good for 15 minutes of power my flight times were 10 minutes and a 5 minute reserve. When I doubled my batteries I was able to fly much further from my landing area so I wanted more reserve to return. Flight times doubled AND I doubled my reserve time rather than flying for 25 minutes with a 5 minute reserve. I also had a DC-DC converter to power the electronics (5V) from the main battery (48V). It created huge interference on my handheld aviation radio.
Great information, I really appreciate you typing it all up for everybody's benefit. The RF interference thing was one of the many things I hadn't thought of before interviewing Erika, which made it all the more fun to record.
The person explaining is extraordinary.....waytago team., especially her, from Harbour Air.
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Paul 😊Thanks for Interview! Yes, This Engineer is EXCELLENT !!💡 (156kWh Capacity) You put her thru the 'gamut' firing Q's...she answered in detail beyond expectation👏 Just like disbelieved early Aviation Pioneers 100+ years ago...E.P.'s ☀️〽️🔋Are the Future for clean, free 'fuel' flight...& quiet!🎉 "You can hear airflow over control services during flight!!🤓
Your words mean a lot to me, thank you, you made my day! (Just landed back at BDL after a post-event drive to Banff)
I can't believe the naysayers...They just don't understand...Harbor Air flies Vancouver Harbor to Victoria Harbor. This is less than 30 minutes. This is the perfect market for entry of this technology. You sound like the people who said, "If man was meant to fly, God would have given them wings." Hooray for people who are foresighted and look to the future. They are the people who allow us to make progress. Remember Steve Jobs..."Think Different".
Actually I had the honour to fly on an original DHC-2 Beaver (original = one with radial piston engine; some sort of "flying dinosaur" IMHO) back in Dec. 2011. That was super noisly (aka loud, louder, loudest). But it was AWESOME.
I will return as soon as planes like this are certified for commercial us. That's for sure !!!
On the EMI issue: Since this is yet a "proof of concept" EMI is nothing I would be really concerned about. That is something we experienced with any kind of EV I had been working on - both pure EVs and FCEVs - and got it sorted out during the deveolpment phases. And charging the LV system out of the HV system is something that'll be solved with the next stage in evolution for sure as well. No doubt.
Paul: Thanks for covering this in the perfect way you did !
And Habour Air: Even more thanks for your pioneering efforts !!!
Back in the day I used to fly in to the headwaters of the Dumoine river in Quebec for a week of whitewater canoeing. A famous Beaver pilot would take us in and cut the engine 1000 feet above Lac Dumoine and glide tight circles down to a landing smoother than velvet. 40 years ago and I’m still in love with the DHC-2
Oh my, what a charge I've gotten out of your comments, every word of it, THANK YOU!
Such a cool story, thank you for sharing, what a pretty mental picture you've painted in my head!
I saw an E Beaver at the seaplane base at OSH on the live cams this year.
Excellent interview. Well prepared. This initiative will have lasting implications as they work with Transport Canada to achieve certification. Regarding the specifics of float operations and Erika's description of thermal loads, is there a potential for a hybrid solution using supercapacitors for the first 45 seconds or so until the floats get "on the step". Companies such as Skeleton Technologies seem to have capabilities to address that.
I love specific feedback like this, thank you for sharing a very interesting idea!
Great video. I wonder if Tesla's Octovalve technology could be utilized for this project? Also, there is promising new "solid state" battery chemistry that could be used as it's lighter and won't cause a fire if it shorts out. I'm sure eventually engineers will solve the aerodynamics issue. It would be great if somehow regeneration could be captured as the plane descends. Very exciting to see the electrification of air flight.
Thank you for watching the video, and for your very thoughtful comments! As soon as the camera stopped rolling my mind was full of ideas about ways this could go, and I suspect it's quite likely that Erika & magniX have gone down many paths to cooling the motors and the battery packs. I'm eager to hear how it turns out, and I'll be uploading a video with a look under the hood of the Pipistrel electric airplane that was also in Vancouver that day, stay tuned!
@@TinkerTry Harbour Air would be wise to get the Munro team on their project. I'm sure Sandy Munro could devise a number of solutions to the issues they're having. Perhaps you could spearhead that? Remember, Sandy is Canadian (but lives in the US)
@@nononsenseBennett I should give an intro a try, good idea! I met Sandy at this event in person, and he was kind enough to do a Zoom with me a while back
tinkertry.com/sandy-munro-and-cory-steuben-on-ev-club-of-ct
Never going to be commercially viable with current battery technology. Useful load range and "fuel reserves are things that need to be addressed.
I think aircraft like this should be hybrid with an avgas or diesel or jet-A powered generator on board that runs with jet fuel. Reserve fuel capacity is nothing when your battery has a failure mid flight.
One thought I had was that at least with a seaplane, there is plenty of water to land on should there be a failure. Also note that Pipistrel's electric airplane is already allowed to do pilot training flights in Canada (not in the US), and I'll be sharing some under the hood footage I captured of a Pipistrel that was in Vancouver that same day.
I think it's going to be a while before those things take over if they ever do but I like the concept😅
Will battery and motor heat be sufficient to heat the cabin in the winter?
When it bursts into flame.
I saw it on a trailer on the hwy99 . Going back to Everett.?
That’s awesome that you spottted it, it’s fun seeing comments like this, and I’m glad that TH-cam showed you this video (or that you found this video on your own).
Range? Payload?
20 miles
300 lbs
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Very interesting. 👍⚡️👍
Glad you liked it!
Can't help but think a redesign of those pontoons might radically lower the drag and power requirements but then they'd have another certification project to deal with at the same time.
Yeah, I pondered that too, with all those guy wires adding to the drag. But at least there's plenty of water to land on should something go wrong. Thanks for watching and commenting!
It looks to be sitting heavy.
Good point, thank you for commenting.
The battery can only be charged 300 to 500 times than replaced for many thousands of bucks
Always in Canada it's the federal government asleep at the wheel, even in the 21st century, the idea of the water company talking to the gas company or electrical company to coordinate a trench across a road, is fantasy.
I recall this aircraft in 2017. Like all things previously impossible, technological evolution in efficiency is fundamental for success.
I do disagree with the tendancy of changing rules in order to have limitations meet regulatory compliance.
Thank your for taking the time to share your thoughts, much appreciated. Cool that you've been following this eBeaver craft for so long.
Just plug it into the nearest tree and wait for lightning to strike when you're a hundred miles from base.
oh no! Lightning might strike fuel tank under tree left for pilot's who miscalculated fuel burn🧐
@@solartime8983 There have been caches of fuel in the north for over a hundred years. Zero remote chargers for EV's in the bush.
Now it is 80% hydro power the rest 20 is imported from Alberta and Montana coal and natural gas. After Site C dam we ill still import 12% of our power.
Thank you for clarifying those important details, I always appreciate a good fact check. When driving from Vancouver to Calgary last week, I did see a lot of coal on trains.
What only 60 minutes and 60 miles so 30 miles out and 30 miles back. Useless, how much money did the tax payers get taken for ? Won't be taking any hunters and their gear anywhere.
Wow!! 😃 Org. 450 hp Turbo engine req. 1600 TBO... to...10,000 hours TBO for 336kW (450hp) Electric Motor!!🤓 Besides lower cost for electric charge / flight-hour, That will be substantial operating cost Savings💸🗽
Indeed, that sure seems to be the case! Thank you for watching the video, and for your thoughtful comment!
Bending the rules eh? I’m sure others will be interested in doing so.
I think I will pass.
What a big waste of time and money,maybe you have a bunch of investors that made too much money elsewhere and need a place to write it off and they tried movies, and I am not sure what you are trying to prove. Finally, after a decade, the slow learning public are getting the idea the present battery technology are not ready for prime time, land transport, not even close and started rejecting it. But you instead insist on putting it to a more demanding use , like aviation. I am Asian , so range is everything to me, you need that to cross oceans, your bird is like a price fighter that have the endurance of just 2 minutes. The whole world are waiting for a tech break through in energy storage , for many applications and you cannot legislate tech progress. That will come when it come. Couple of suggestions what to do with excess cash, send it to Ukraine or to the Taliban or Gaza.
Geez....some people are way too cranky eh