The problem with Kino Lorber isn't usually the master but the subpar encoding done by them (or whoever they subcontract that to). So if i get to choose between Kino Lorber and Arrow based on the same master, i'd take the Arrow release 10 out of 10 times.
I want a Pepsi challenge video comparing the two Basterd transfers. I actually don't hate the original 4k because I jumped from dvd to 4k. The HDR 10 really enhanced it
That's odd that Inglorious Basterds doesn't have a new transfer considering how controversial the 4K one is. I thought it looked great on an OLED with HDR10+.
I'm the same way Ken... I'd rather give my money to older catalogue titles that were treated with true love and care, than $45 Disney releases that'll be $20 in 3 months.
I got Variant A. Synapsefilms website is back up and now everything is available. Would have liked to order direct from them. Sold out now on Diabolik and orbit
In 1986 I was 14, at that time up here in Canada some R rated films were rated AA here (Adult Accompaniment 14 and older). I did see Trick or Treat in theaters way back when and even though I was right into all the horror stuff (Elm Street 4 was the first of the big slasher releases that was rated AA) I maybe saw it once more when it made its way to VHS. I'm kinda selective to what I buy on physical media in my 50's so I can't really see myself paying almost $100 CDN for the film. I already pre-ordered Inglorious Basterds from obstructed view up here as I have and could re-watch that many times more. Congrats to all that got their pre-order for Trick or Treat..
What I want is the extended version of QT’s the hateful eight as I think it’s only out on Netflix and hasn’t been released on physical media to my knowledge
I have the extended (because of the lack of a official physical release) on a Chinese blu ray on Ebay at $15 postage free. As Netflix owns the rights to the extended version I highly doubt that will ever be out on physical media.
If it's a new scan, I'll try to get that INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS edition. But it's not my priority. THE CELL, however, is an absolute must. I'm still amazed that the film was even made. And that price is excellent. I am reeeeeeeeeeally mulling over THE INCUBUS. Not a high priority for me, but to have that in my collection would be lovely. Not a fan of THE GIFT so I'm not getting it. ...you have been doing the lord's work for some time Ken. For that I shall forgive you your USUAL SUSPECTS sacrilege. On that note, I'll probably pass on it because I have the Kino edition. Possibly on sale.
I dig the variety that Arrow is into these days even though I'm not too interested in these tittles. I think this bodes well for potential cool releases I want in the coming months.
I picked up the Arrow IB from your link, used Arrow reward points to bring the price below the Blueray price. It’s not my favorite Tarantino movie, but it’s a good one.
The steelbook boxset of IB that came out in the summer was better. But both that and the arrow 4k use the same 2k upscale transfer, not a noticeable difference over the bluray. If it was a new scan it would say on arrow . All the other new scans say brand new scan from whatever source. I messaged them and they didnt even seem to know. So annoying. Edit. I had a reply from arrow customer services chat team. Its the same source but may have a different encode. So may have less compression than previous releases.
Not a fan of that coverart for The Cell but that was an instant preorder for me. Been waiting for that on 4K for a really long time I wouldn't say it's a *great* movie but it's definitely a visual treat
There’s nowhere information on Inglorious Bastards being a new transfer! Not even on Arrow’s website in the US nor in the UK. If they’d done a new transfer, although I personally would not understand why as the previous one is perfectly fine, they would had mentioned it.
What kept Incubus back was the Director insisting on only shooting the film in that ridiculous made up language Esperanto, with no English dub. Absolutely crazy for a film maker or studio.
Really enjoy this one, like many I first watched on VHS but my present version is the imported German Blu-ray; I'd love this set but I doubt if (especially being in the UK) I'll manage it... hopefully they'll at least release non-limited 4K versions later!
i preorder usual suspects, and the gift because they are uk only the rest i will wait till January hoping barnes and noble will do a 50 percent of sale correct me if im wrong but i could swear they did a 50 percent of sale in January heres hoping i want to grab the cell amd inglorious Basterds
The soundtrack for trick or treat was done by metal band fastway. The CD is arguably better than the movie. But this should be fun revisiting it. The soundtrack is amazing.
I’m not paying this much for physical media. I have a family and a house that’s more important than movies. The fact that they are only doing a limited run of the release is frustrating. Trick or Treat is a movie I’m actually interested in but I’m not putting it my credit card and getting into debt just for a movie. It’s not worth it and if boutique labels want to charge over blown price for their releases that I’m going to get out of the physical media collecting.
I hear ya. I have only purchased one movie from them-‘Cemetery Man’-and it was about the same price as this release. The only reason I got it was (1) it was a title that went from DVD to 4K, but more importantly (2) the timing of the year was good-early December-so I treated it as a Christmas present purchase, which it honestly was, but for myself. But I did initially wonder if I’d have to take out a second mortgage to cover the price. This label really has to find a way to bring their prices down!
I was able to snag a copy of cover variant C of "Trick or Treat" (1986) directly from Synapse. I liked all 3 covers quite a bit but option C appealed to me the most. Pretty pricey but well worth it in my opinion as this is one of my all time favorite 80's horror movies.
Trick or Treat is actually a fun film, but not $66.66 fun. 😂I already have the 4k steelbook of Inglourious Basterds so I probably won't bother with the Arrow. The Cell I pre-ordered right away. I love that film. I might buy the Usual Suspects. I've never seen the film, but the price is good and I probably should get it.
I got my trick or treat cover a. I love the set but i think they missed the opportunity to add another cool item to the set if it was me i would have added a couple guitar picks with sammi ccurrs name on the front and the pentagram on the back
I am curious about how many of the 6,666 copies went to Diabolik and Orbit. I did see a reply from Synapse on Facebook saying a standard is planned but has not went into production yet.
Of course he's trying to keep up with the Joneses by dropping over $70 on a movie he's never seen and might not even like. And of course he can't wait to get a third Inglorious Basterds 4k even though he still hasn't watched either of the two he already has. This is a perfect example of a person who just wants to own stuff and finds it greatly important that people know he owns stuff. Don't be like this guy.
@@midlevelmedia oh, did the truth strike a nerve? 😆 Sorry! I'll let you get back to keeping up with The Joneses and hoarding stuff you don't actually care about, you know after you show it to the internet of course. 😉
@@FirstLast-xn5oq Buddy, I’ve been on TH-cam for 5 years and I’ve had stupidity thrown at me from all directions. No nerves struck here, but if you think you’re gonna come in here and spew idiotic nonsense like that without rebuttle, you’re mistaken. Like I said before, get a life.
@@midlevelmedia 🤣 OK, BUDDY! Nothing I said was nonsense, you just can't take criticism. And I completely expected you to come defend your goofy self, so no point in acting like you caught me by surprise lol
@@midlevelmedia Also "get a life" is a pretty hilarious and ironic comment coming from a guy who bases his entire life and personality around physical media LMFAO 🤣
I don't get paid until next Friday (the 1st), so I'll likely miss out on the Limited Edition of Trick or Treat. Gonna have to settle for the standard 4K. I'm sure my wallet will be happy. FUN FACT: Charles Martin Smith, who directed this film, also directed the pilot episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Welcome to the Hellmouth. :)
Damn was going on with Arrow video first demolition man Know The Cell why never new interviews with the main actors it would of been cool to get Jennifer Lopez and Vince Vaughn back for new interviews for the cell for arrow video to talk about the movie Misss opurtunity why they never get the actors involved with new realeases never makes sense 🤬😡😡🤬😭😭😢😢😢
Another cash grab from Arrow releasing the same exact transfer from the previous release of IB but now you could double dip for the box art along with extras like poster, booklet, and postcards for 45.00 dollars guys 😮... Arrow sucks and they need to stop scamming people releasing the same crap.
@@robertfaulkner1824 Whoever says the 2021 transfer is bad are clearly gaslighting and have a terrible set-up and a crappy T.V. cause i own it along with a Samsung 90 inch QLED and all i could personally say is that the transfer is absolutely stunning and people need to check there eye vision.
@@jordanmillraney5481 i don't know of any co-releases of standard and limited edition to where each is a different transfer. What's likely the case is that Arrow's release will have a better encode whether it uses the same master as Universal's or not
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq i don't know about new transfer or not but better encoding is a near guarantee. The transfer is just the raw data essentially, but how each label chooses to compress that data onto whatever size disc is independently up to them
@@chrisjfox8715 I am quite critical when it comes to both audio and video and perfectly happy with IB’s current 4K and I doubt we see the different encoding. But love to be educated. so can you explain to me what is wrong with the current 4K (encoding wise) that warrants a new copy?
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq my personal criticism of the current 4K, that I can tell with my eyes on my OLED, is that it looks a bit oversharpened. It's not horrible it still looks good but it's what I notice. One might argue that a better encode isn't going to fix oversharpening of the master, but I'd argue that compression algorithms can definitely exacerbate compression artifacts stemming from edges. The "problems" with the existing image I'm seeing may be oversharpening of edges, or subtle compression artifacts, or some conflation of both...and who knows where in the data pipeline the original oversharpening was applied - don't know for sure but a new encode can be an opportunity to clean some things up. I don't think Arrow would be doing it unless they felt like they can bring new, more organic-looking life to it. We'll see
@@chrisjfox8715 interesting. To me it looks quite organic and filmic and none of the edge enhancements you mention. Am playing it on a Magnetar 900 player and a Sony Bravia XR-77A84L. You do have your tv properly calibrated and no artificial sharpening or whatever other artificial options on? And your TV in Cinema mode?
Trick or treat is a good 80's horror movie. But 66 bucks for one movie not worth 66 bucks just for a movie. And i can care less about inglorious Basterds getting a 4k releaes. Was not a fan of it very overrated. And the cell is a very good & creepy movie
At 17:44, sadly one of them is from Alexandra Heller, the feminist acivistist (look her up if u want, pretty ugly...haha) who doesnt have much to say more than having agendas in her commenteries instead just focusing on a movie´s history, like some agrreeing with me too she is a nobody when Ken did the Trick or treet video some days ago and I commented below among others too. Just employ people who arent acttivist but the state of the enterainmment history is filled with this feminist writers in Hollywood, videogame studios and now within 4K releaes, they are parasites ruining movie and games that we love. These actvists in end of the day arent gonna watch the movies they made or the play the videogames they made, no, they just want to; like Alfred said in the dark: "They just want to see the world burn" or in this case the entertainment world burn. One positive thing one can say when it comes to these 4K movies where some activists are in, is that they can be skipped and just listen to the director´s insights or others who has some good things to say :)
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The problem with Kino Lorber isn't usually the master but the subpar encoding done by them (or whoever they subcontract that to). So if i get to choose between Kino Lorber and Arrow based on the same master, i'd take the Arrow release 10 out of 10 times.
I want a Pepsi challenge video comparing the two Basterd transfers. I actually don't hate the original 4k because I jumped from dvd to 4k. The HDR 10 really enhanced it
I guess the bigger news is QT films getting picked up by boutique labels
That's odd that Inglorious Basterds doesn't have a new transfer considering how controversial the 4K one is. I thought it looked great on an OLED with HDR10+.
@@greg3118 I’m hearing now that it’s new.
@@greg3118 totally agree. I was very happy with the previous 4k, so won't be getting this one.
I'm the same way Ken... I'd rather give my money to older catalogue titles that were treated with true love and care, than $45 Disney releases that'll be $20 in 3 months.
I was fortunate to grab a copy of Trick or Treat before they disappeared from Orbit and Diabolik. I got variant “C.”
I got Variant A. Synapsefilms website is back up and now everything is available. Would have liked to order direct from them. Sold out now on Diabolik and orbit
In 1986 I was 14, at that time up here in Canada some R rated films were rated AA here (Adult Accompaniment 14 and older). I did see Trick or Treat in theaters way back when and even though I was right into all the horror stuff (Elm Street 4 was the first of the big slasher releases that was rated AA) I maybe saw it once more when it made its way to VHS. I'm kinda selective to what I buy on physical media in my 50's so I can't really see myself paying almost $100 CDN for the film. I already pre-ordered Inglorious Basterds from obstructed view up here as I have and could re-watch that many times more. Congrats to all that got their pre-order for Trick or Treat..
What I want is the extended version of QT’s the hateful eight as I think it’s only out on Netflix and hasn’t been released on physical media to my knowledge
I have the extended (because of the lack of a official physical release) on a Chinese blu ray on Ebay at $15 postage free.
As Netflix owns the rights to the extended version I highly doubt that will ever be out on physical media.
I love when Kenny rants about his comment section ❤
Only the stupid ones. 95% of yall are great. Lol
If it's a new scan, I'll try to get that INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS edition. But it's not my priority.
THE CELL, however, is an absolute must. I'm still amazed that the film was even made. And that price is excellent.
I am reeeeeeeeeeally mulling over THE INCUBUS. Not a high priority for me, but to have that in my collection would be lovely.
Not a fan of THE GIFT so I'm not getting it.
...you have been doing the lord's work for some time Ken. For that I shall forgive you your USUAL SUSPECTS sacrilege. On that note, I'll probably pass on it because I have the Kino edition. Possibly on sale.
I dig the variety that Arrow is into these days even though I'm not too interested in these tittles. I think this bodes well for potential cool releases I want in the coming months.
I picked up the Arrow IB from your link, used Arrow reward points to bring the price below the Blueray price. It’s not my favorite Tarantino movie, but it’s a good one.
Amazing Arrow releases. The Cell and Usual Suspects for me. Very happy. Arrow is amazing
I hope Synapse knows there is only three 6’s for the Devil
Yup. Should have only had 666 copies at $6.66 a piece. 🤪😂
Very interested in The Cell Director's Cut.
I ordered cover C. I was tempted to get cover A which is like the Fright Rags shirt but I thought Cover c was more unique.
I'm in for The Cell. Been waiting for this to hit 4k....
Thanks for Disney rant Ken. Always makes me smile 😊
I love that you use The Cell as the thumbnail and not The Usual Suspects which is an extremely well done movie😅
The steelbook boxset of IB that came out in the summer was better. But both that and the arrow 4k use the same 2k upscale transfer, not a noticeable difference over the bluray. If it was a new scan it would say on arrow . All the other new scans say brand new scan from whatever source. I messaged them and they didnt even seem to know. So annoying.
Edit.
I had a reply from arrow customer services chat team. Its the same source but may have a different encode. So may have less compression than previous releases.
Not a fan of that coverart for The Cell but that was an instant preorder for me. Been waiting for that on 4K for a really long time
I wouldn't say it's a *great* movie but it's definitely a visual treat
There’s nowhere information on Inglorious Bastards being a new transfer! Not even on Arrow’s website in the US nor in the UK.
If they’d done a new transfer, although I personally would not understand why as the previous one is perfectly fine, they would had mentioned it.
What kept Incubus back was the Director insisting on only shooting the film in that ridiculous made up language Esperanto, with no English dub. Absolutely crazy for a film maker or studio.
Excited for both. The Cell absolutely slaps
Really enjoy this one, like many I first watched on VHS but my present version is the imported German Blu-ray; I'd love this set but I doubt if (especially being in the UK) I'll manage it... hopefully they'll at least release non-limited 4K versions later!
i preorder usual suspects, and the gift because they are uk only the rest i will wait till January hoping barnes and noble will do a 50 percent of sale correct me if im wrong but i could swear they did a 50 percent of sale in January heres hoping i want to grab the cell amd inglorious Basterds
Nothing I can't live without.
well then sugar, you haven't lived
@@TheJohnWhites Ive lived just fine, thanks.
Trick or Treat has always been a favorite of mine. Also killer soundtrack from Fastway which I've had that for years on cassette.
Worked with Tarsem several times - genius. Paul Laufer Alonso wonderful.
The soundtrack for trick or treat was done by metal band fastway. The CD is arguably better than the movie. But this should be fun revisiting it. The soundtrack is amazing.
I’m not paying this much for physical media. I have a family and a house that’s more important than movies. The fact that they are only doing a limited run of the release is frustrating. Trick or Treat is a movie I’m actually interested in but I’m not putting it my credit card and getting into debt just for a movie. It’s not worth it and if boutique labels want to charge over blown price for their releases that I’m going to get out of the physical media collecting.
I hear ya. I have only purchased one movie from them-‘Cemetery Man’-and it was about the same price as this release. The only reason I got it was (1) it was a title that went from DVD to 4K, but more importantly (2) the timing of the year was good-early December-so I treated it as a Christmas present purchase, which it honestly was, but for myself. But I did initially wonder if I’d have to take out a second mortgage to cover the price.
This label really has to find a way to bring their prices down!
I was able to snag a copy of cover variant C of "Trick or Treat" (1986) directly from Synapse. I liked all 3 covers quite a bit but option C appealed to me the most. Pretty pricey but well worth it in my opinion as this is one of my all time favorite 80's horror movies.
It’s too bad ordering direct from Arrow, Synapse is too expensive for CAD. We have Unibstructed View though.
Trick or Treat is actually a fun film, but not $66.66 fun. 😂I already have the 4k steelbook of Inglourious Basterds so I probably won't bother with the Arrow. The Cell I pre-ordered right away. I love that film. I might buy the Usual Suspects. I've never seen the film, but the price is good and I probably should get it.
I got my trick or treat cover a. I love the set but i think they missed the opportunity to add another cool item to the set if it was me i would have added a couple guitar picks with sammi ccurrs name on the front and the pentagram on the back
From Arrow I had to order The Cell, Inglorious Basterds and Demolition Man on 4K, and I picked up The Assassination Bureau on blu ray from the sale.
I am curious about how many of the 6,666 copies went to Diabolik and Orbit. I did see a reply from Synapse on Facebook saying a standard is planned but has not went into production yet.
Of course he's trying to keep up with the Joneses by dropping over $70 on a movie he's never seen and might not even like. And of course he can't wait to get a third Inglorious Basterds 4k even though he still hasn't watched either of the two he already has. This is a perfect example of a person who just wants to own stuff and finds it greatly important that people know he owns stuff. Don't be like this guy.
@@FirstLast-xn5oq I don’t care what you know I own. I’m providing information and commentary on physical media announcements here. Get a life.
@@midlevelmedia oh, did the truth strike a nerve? 😆 Sorry! I'll let you get back to keeping up with The Joneses and hoarding stuff you don't actually care about, you know after you show it to the internet of course. 😉
@@FirstLast-xn5oq Buddy, I’ve been on TH-cam for 5 years and I’ve had stupidity thrown at me from all directions. No nerves struck here, but if you think you’re gonna come in here and spew idiotic nonsense like that without rebuttle, you’re mistaken. Like I said before, get a life.
@@midlevelmedia 🤣 OK, BUDDY! Nothing I said was nonsense, you just can't take criticism. And I completely expected you to come defend your goofy self, so no point in acting like you caught me by surprise lol
@@midlevelmedia Also "get a life" is a pretty hilarious and ironic comment coming from a guy who bases his entire life and personality around physical media LMFAO 🤣
I don't get paid until next Friday (the 1st), so I'll likely miss out on the Limited Edition of Trick or Treat. Gonna have to settle for the standard 4K. I'm sure my wallet will be happy. FUN FACT: Charles Martin Smith, who directed this film, also directed the pilot episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Welcome to the Hellmouth. :)
At 28:19, it is in the Kino!
Trick or Treat is great and you get to see the 'The Real Ozzy'...yes Ozzy has found God!
Trick or Treat 🎉🎉
66 for a single movie
Putting all 3 for cheaper price would obviously make everyone buy them up more and gate keep certain ones and gouge prices
The Cell was one of my most wanted but hate that it's an Arrow release because I am trying to gain room not lose it.
It’s a regular slip cover not a box
Huh?
I grabbed cover A from Orbit!!!
I still have my IB limited edition steelbook set from Warner. Ill pass on Arrow
I did purchase The Gift
Not much of a month from Arrow. The well must start to be drying up.
Inglorious Basterds deserves a better 4K transfer.
Bullcrap... The 2021 4K is fantastic and i don't see the issue.
Your right, I’m curious if arrow does something different
Sad that Arrow has added $3 of crap to a bad $10 transfer and called it $45. Really weak, fellas!
Damn was going on with Arrow video first demolition man Know The Cell why never new interviews with the main actors it would of been cool to get Jennifer Lopez and Vince Vaughn back for new interviews for the cell for arrow video to talk about the movie Misss opurtunity why they never get the actors involved with new realeases never makes sense 🤬😡😡🤬😭😭😢😢😢
Another cash grab from Arrow releasing the same exact transfer from the previous release of IB but now you could double dip for the box art along with extras like poster, booklet, and postcards for 45.00 dollars guys 😮... Arrow sucks and they need to stop scamming people releasing the same crap.
Oh I would have guessed it was a new transfer seeing as the last was criticized. Arrow is a really good label. Best packaging and decent prices.
@@robertfaulkner1824 Whoever says the 2021 transfer is bad are clearly gaslighting and have a terrible set-up and a crappy T.V. cause i own it along with a Samsung 90 inch QLED and all i could personally say is that the transfer is absolutely stunning and people need to check there eye vision.
Silly box full of nonsense, I got the regular 4k version for $10, I’m happy with that.
It’s a new transfer
@@shinycheeto5779 No it isn't.
I’ve heard mixed things about the 4K of Inglourious Basterds. It was an upscale of a 2K intermediate. That is kind of a lazy release.
Wonder if the Limited Edition of it will be a different transfer or the same one from Universal but encoded at a higher bitrate.
@@jordanmillraney5481 i don't know of any co-releases of standard and limited edition to where each is a different transfer.
What's likely the case is that Arrow's release will have a better encode whether it uses the same master as Universal's or not
‘r > or
Inglorious Basterds is indeed a new master.
This is what you hope?
As there is no information on it being a new transfer anywhere. Not even on the UK or US Arrow website.
The Arrow release of Basterds has a new transfer according to sources.
It will also likely have much better encoding than the Universal release, too.
What sources? Do you have a link for this?
As there is no information on it being a new transfer anywhere. Not even on the UK or US Arrow website.
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq i don't know about new transfer or not but better encoding is a near guarantee. The transfer is just the raw data essentially, but how each label chooses to compress that data onto whatever size disc is independently up to them
@@chrisjfox8715 I am quite critical when it comes to both audio and video and perfectly happy with IB’s current 4K and I doubt we see the different encoding. But love to be educated. so can you explain to me what is wrong with the current 4K (encoding wise) that warrants a new copy?
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq my personal criticism of the current 4K, that I can tell with my eyes on my OLED, is that it looks a bit oversharpened. It's not horrible it still looks good but it's what I notice.
One might argue that a better encode isn't going to fix oversharpening of the master, but I'd argue that compression algorithms can definitely exacerbate compression artifacts stemming from edges. The "problems" with the existing image I'm seeing may be oversharpening of edges, or subtle compression artifacts, or some conflation of both...and who knows where in the data pipeline the original oversharpening was applied - don't know for sure but a new encode can be an opportunity to clean some things up.
I don't think Arrow would be doing it unless they felt like they can bring new, more organic-looking life to it. We'll see
@@chrisjfox8715 interesting. To me it looks quite organic and filmic and none of the edge enhancements you mention.
Am playing it on a Magnetar 900 player and a Sony Bravia XR-77A84L.
You do have your tv properly calibrated and no artificial sharpening or whatever other artificial options on? And your TV in Cinema mode?
I bet trick or treat sucks as a movie so fomo has no effect here.
Trick or treat is a good 80's horror movie. But 66 bucks for one movie not worth 66 bucks just for a movie. And i can care less about inglorious Basterds getting a 4k releaes. Was not a fan of it very overrated. And the cell is a very good & creepy movie
At 17:44, sadly one of them is from Alexandra Heller, the feminist acivistist (look her up if u want, pretty ugly...haha) who doesnt have much to say more than having agendas in her commenteries instead just focusing on a movie´s history, like some agrreeing with me too she is a nobody when Ken did the Trick or treet video some days ago and I commented below among others too. Just employ people who arent acttivist but the state of the enterainmment history is filled with this feminist writers in Hollywood, videogame studios and now within 4K releaes, they are parasites ruining movie and games that we love. These actvists in end of the day arent gonna watch the movies they made or the play the videogames they made, no, they just want to; like Alfred said in the dark: "They just want to see the world burn" or in this case the entertainment world burn. One positive thing one can say when it comes to these 4K movies where some activists are in, is that they can be skipped and just listen to the director´s insights or others who has some good things to say :)
I love Jennifer Lopez Selena it’s her best movie along with anaconda Selena deserves a 4K Jennifer Lopez best movie and Jack woth Robin Williams
Arrows releases a huge disappointment..
Usual Suspects sucks. Scary Movie did the story and the twist better
Rrrright…
Say what?
Its sold out...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got 2 copies of trick or treat it sold out immediately ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!