ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS - Triple 65" 4K Sim Rig - Better than VR? - Worth it over Smaller Screens?
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We've been receiving a tonne of questions about our Triple 65 inch 4K Motion Sim Rig Build, so today I'll do my best to answer them, as well as cover some of the things we've learned through the process, and things we would do differently next time.
In particular we'll talk about whether or not larger screens are worth it over smaller ones closer to the driver, as well as comparing this setup to the immersion offered by VR.
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I think you should add passenger seats so you can take your family on holiday.
lmao
Some 1 should create passenger app for VR so they can feel speed and take people for a blast and with a motion rig would be WOW.
That would be nice during this pandemic times😂
This made me chuckle
XD so good
By far the best and most realistic setup I have ever seen.
Not really. VR easily beats it, it just doesn't look as good on camera...
@@arcelivez Did you not notice I specifically said "...that I have ever seen"?
And I know VR, I own a Quest 2... It's just a nice setup is all.
@@s0nofanarchy73 did you even try your quest for this purpose? 2D is not realistic
@@arcelivez Did I try? I have almost 5K into aluminum extrusion rig with triples and a Quest 2, so yeah I tried it in Sim racing.
And I reckon he has also, if he can afford a 3090 and triple 65"screens he can afford VR.
We have 2 Reverb G2s currently. Did a quick review of them a few weeks ago.
2:38 *Gets nervous when he sees a cop in game*
I got almost two minutes in before I realized the screens weren’t just his windows/windshield and were actually closer and displaying the whole interior of the car...
Yes!! I thought he was in a car that had screens on all the windows 😂 that's how immersed I was LOL
Bruh, couldn't tell till you mentioned it... thought he had a frame surrounding him but nope thats game haha
I thought the same thing at first glance. It's very impressive
Took me till the end of the video before i realized he wasn't in an actual car..
Same
I know its made for Racing....and it IS bad ass....but I bet a game like Sea of Thieves would be INCREDIBLE on this too. Standing on the ships deck, steering the boat with the Sea almost completely around you.....I MUST have it. Boy, is my wife gonna be mad at YOU in a few months lol
How slow is that windscreen wiper tho 🧐
Yet still some say “money can’t buy happiness” awesome setup and vid as always :)
took me so long to realize that this wasnt a chassis with screens around it
I didn't hear a single word for the first 10mins of the video. This is downright amazing... 😲
Well done Will with this video. Honest opinion and what I liked the most is that you actually think smaller (cheaper) size would potentially be even better. It's an interesting opinions all around and I think if it ever get bored from VR or just want sit down and relax I'd go with similar setup and 50 or 55 size as you recommend.
Enjoyed the rig.
Love it Will. It just looks so real.
I recently swapped to triple 43's , absolutely loving it.
Will...thank you for putting in so much time into this content. Very helpful and answering questions that not many people can give first hand perspectives to. I am running both a Vive Pro and an Index but just don't have the space (yet) for triples. I have the same frame rates (roughly) with ACC on my 2080ti. Its one of the main reasons I jump into iRacing so much as it runs so seamlessly in VR. But I also love ACC so my wife may not appreciate this content in a few months. LOL
Holy shit I thought you were actually driving in real life for a minute there.
What game/track/course is this?
@@ModMINI looks like a modded track in Assetto Corsa. I may be wrong
@Steven and Kristy McLaren F1. It's a 3 seater with center driver position.
@@ModMINI Assetto corsa. Mod track = LA Canyons. Same road smoking tyre uses to test cars.
it will be 100% real if there is no big ugly black lines btw screens
I love the reflection of the astro headset, looks so real
Awesome! thanks for taking the time to share
Awesome set up! My sentiments about VR as well. I've gone fron triple monitors, to large TV, to single projector, to VR, to triple projectors. I've now got a G2 as well. I love VR, and I love my triples as well. I'm not a Sim racer, but I dabble every now and then in VR. It's great fun. Now I've seen this I want a wheel rig!
Your channel is awesome man! I just started a sim racing channel and hope to get close to where you are in the sim racing world.
I straight up thought you was in a actual car, this thing is awesome!!!
Honestly kept looking at the dash board so many times think it was real!
The button boxes are real though :)
Setup is really nice, but for me the most useful was a honest opinion/review about the setup, VR and all that stuff.👏 Really, respect! ❤️
I had to go look for the screen edge to see that it is a sim, it just looks like you're on the real car but with lesser engine noise, awesome work!
I use VR for Sim racing pretty regularly, but I do also have a 65" TCL I got on BF sale this past TG right in front of the wheel. It is perfect for Forza and other games that don't support VR. The three of them though... looks soooo smooth, I love it!
Thank you, Boosted Media!, for the amazing video!...Building a home office/theatre with triple 55" 4K monitors and begin the sport of sim racing!
I could never get a sense of the car's attitude in flat screen that became instantly intuitive in VR. iRacing I was spinning the Skippy! on a flat screen, and it takes effort to do it in VR.
VR is my plan for the future. Massive triplets are not in the budget ever but looks flash.
Ultimately your clatter is a flat screen.
That’s so funny, I have the exact opposite experience because I can’t really pick up the smaller yaw changes in vr so I lose the car more.
I'd love a triple 32" setup, but I have no room for it. I need a bigger house.
Holy crap!! Fantastic, man!!
Awesome setup. I have been thinking about what you said in your other video about how you can't move your perspective around outside of VR, but today I saw a video of a guy using TrackIR. I think you can have it just move your camera's position without rotation. It might be cool to try moving around with that.
Appreciate all the info, super informative
Awesome job mate! keep it up! :D
Bro, that is amaaazing! Keep it up. I''ll sub instantly.
Race Beyond Matter has got this immersion experience dialed in. Well worth checking him out. He has a lot of good ideas.
This looks amazing! Love it!
Absolutely spot on with the three dimensional effect, I always try to put monitors where the windscreen would be and then create three dimensions by using an iPad for the dash etc. I use triple 24 inch screens at 90cm away, with side angles at about 31 degrees, I don’t see any of the dash on screen hardly but I then create the dash using an iPad. The field of view I get is only about 110 degrees this way, but I much prefer it to putting the centre screen 50 cm away with almost 180 degree FOV. I’ve tried both and the former is way more immersive. My screens are 1920 x 1200 each, but at 90 cm away they are perfectly fine and detailed, in fact they are equivalent of a Retina display at that distance, at 50cm away they look ropey and things just don’t feel right as you say.
Just ordered some LG C1 55s, can’t wait to try it out! I used the Reverb G2 for quite a while and the 3D effect is incredibly immersive. My issue with it was 1) not being able to see my steering wheel, shifter, button box, extra dash screens, etc really broke immersion as the physical world you’re interacting with wasn’t the same as the VR world and 2) by far the biggest issue for me personally - the headset was uncomfortable for anything longer than maybe 20-30 minutes. For whatever reason, my face and neck hurt no matter what I did and I found myself no longer looking forward to hopping into the cockpit. I swapped out to a single 34” curved ultrawide and immediately the love was back. As you mentioned though, the vertical FOV was much too small, and tbh the width was much too small as well. At realistic FOVs in game I could not see my mirrors, cars next to me, etc. For people who want max immersion and don’t want a bunch of peripherals I think VR is absolutely worth a shot. Maybe you’ll find it more comfortable than I did. Otherwise for the budget conscious I would go with a triple monitor set up of some sort over an ultrawide, likely 32” as you suggest although I haven’t tried that size personally so can’t say for sure. Thanks for the great vids, looking forward to your future content.
Wow, for a few seconds I was genuinely wondering if you were in an actual car. Really cool!
Omg I when I first clicked the video and saw him driving I thought he was in a real car for a second until it switched the Camera angle.
i love racing and have raced loads on triple 32 144hz 2k monitors and VR and for iracing anyway if i was forced to play one or the other i would have to pick triples as i like to look at my button boxes and see what im pressing button wise. i can play alot longer on triples but vr is more immesive
Jumping from a single 24" to 3x 32" was the best thing i ever did for my rig tbh. Nowhere near as extreme as your rig, but still provides an incredibly immersive experience. From 65cm away, i don't find the vertical resolution is much of an issue. My only 2 complaints are the footprint (takes 1.4x1.5m), and the fact that i need a top of the line GPU in this market.
Sick setup mate! Ozzie represent! Subbed
I agree, this does look great for immersion. I think VR still might be better though but it'd be great of monitor's like this were 3D too because then in that case I think it would be a little be better than VR possibly just because you can still see your own wheel and everything but that's yet to be seen.
That's stunning. I'm envious.
I was a little worried when you passed the cop on the double yellow.
Thx for the insite. Great video 👍👍😍👮♂️👮♂️
Have you ever considered putting the the car track and game in the description of reach video?
I think there are newer users who sometimes want to recreate whatever your driving combo is on a given day.
Do you know what game that is?
@@Dyltheboy That is in the discription ._.
@@lars9168 thank you
The map is the LA Canyons mod in Asseto Corsa. The two way traffic is a paid VIP add-on and I think well worth it for the price. You should be able to find it on the race department mods page
@@tclowes20 Ok, thanks 🙏
Wow!!! Absolutely incredible 👏
This is epic, i wish I had this setup, I work with what I’ve got though, and it’s doing well
I think the reason it looked so realistic is bcuz of the almost non-existent input lag most sims don't have, idk how you did it but congrats, you've made a monster
I currently use triple 4k screens as well, they are 32inch va monitors, running them with rtx 3090 and im loving my system so much, i use my pc for many things not only sim racing so triple screen is really nice for those other things as well. My current rig manages to run acc on mixed high-epic settings at full 11520x2160 resolution at around ~50-70fps, other simulators dont have any issues running absolutely maxed 60+fps. As for vr im not really interested in it at all, maybe i might try 3-5 years later.
Good for you for calling out the Screen door effect. G2 owner here and I piss on all the youtubers who said there is non. They are either blind or lying.
I can only imagine what older headsets were like where it was apparently quite obvious. It is not a serious problem, but it is still there!
I’ve got 3. 43” logi wheel set, and next level frame. 3060 to run it. 2.5k. Love it
I would say that the parallax effect would be a major contributor to the immersion factor with the bigger screens. That and your eyes does notice the focal distance as well with the bigger screens better simulating real life.
The mid seat configured F1 is such a great example to use for this sim!
great info, saving me $$$$, thanks heaps
I play on a 55” Samsung Curve atm, that’s what I like about mine the window is the size of a real car window, can’t wait for my computer to get here on the 21st I’m ready to get into IRacing, ACC, AMS, RFactor, WRC etc..
Wow...that looks awesome.
This is a good video and some solid advice. Let's face it, to have a rig like that you need 3 things: A lot of space, A lot of money, and a very understanding Significant Other. For me personally while I could afford it I have a small house and a wife that is understanding within reason, but not to this extent lol. I get by just fine with my < $1000 setup consisting of a Quest 2, a Thrustmaster T-150, and a Playseat Challenge. Ok the pedals suck and I'm working on upgrading those, but other than that I'm pretty happy with it. As with most things, if you start chasing the best experience money can buy, you'll find the best experience money can buy costs a LOT of money.
Get yourself a DD1 with playseat trophy. You'll be seet for life!
This game looked great on my rtx 2070 super, now that I have my rtx 3080, I was trying to decide either a triple screen setup or a VR setup... this gives me some info to help me further decide. Thanks!
holy crap the scene of speed is nuts... looks like im going hungry for next few months
I'm sure you could get by, quite well, with consumer TVs. 3 TCLs or Vizios will provide standard 60/120hz refresh rates, plus calibration settings are readily available from the community. Also HDR isn't a huge added expense. $3k should do it today, and next year the models will offer variable refresh rate for the same price.
Love the videos!!! Started to research for a sim rig my better half gave me the green light lol.... I have no clue where to start for a rig running triple 42” 4k with motion.
Great video - Maybe you commented and I missed it, but one big thing that VR brings through the separate views for each eye is the resulting 3D image and the depth perception that brings. Not a big thing when driving a track you know by "muscle memory", but for me it's a huge differentiator when driving a car/track combo you don't know, and you need to get a feel for the braking and turn-in points.
Yep definitely talked about that.
Great video mate. I enjoyed it all. You answered a few questions i had plus introduced me to open world AC.
Oh and the dual PC fan, blower setup you have, genius.
I love the effect of the larger screens eliminating the negative space you see with smaller screens but how are you getting a decent frame rate? I’m running an rx 6800 xt on triple 27” screens and am typically averaging around only 90 FPS. But I refuse to turn anything off graphically so I guess that’s my issue. I guess it’s time to learn how to overclock.
Dam it be rad to have a sim rig like this
Around the 16 minute mark you are talking about one of the downsides of triples being that your perspective doesn't change because the camera is fixed on a triple screen setup vs. VR where the in game camera moves as you move your head. I had the same experience when transitioning from VR to triples, and I ended up using the TrackIR5 head tracking device so that the in-game camera would change perspective as I moved my head around the cabin of the car. It works great on my triple 32" setup!
A thing where VR misses the mark is peripheral vision, where a setup like in the video allows you to do it.
Thanks Will and I love your setup.
Just a comment about fov in vr. My experience as a former kart, bike and car racer is that the fov I get in my Quest 2 vr headset is similar to wearing a full face helmet. It could be argued therefore that this is more realistic.
Yeah it really depends on the headset. My reverb G1 and 2 are both more restricted than a helmet.
It looks amazing
In case anyone is curious, these monitors are about 5k a pop o.O 15k in panels
I didn't know Assetto Corsa allows this open world type of driving. Awesome!
iirc it's the LA Canyons map
@@60000L I forgot to qualify: I only got interested in sim driving this year and was evaluating which one had these kind of open world style. I think Forza Horizon has it, but doesn't have this realistic immersion in it.
Searching around TH-cam really gave me an informed decision.
“Simulations” aren’t really geared toward open world driving. But assetto corsa has some great mods. Check out “la canyons” “high force” and “shutoku revival project”. All amazing.
Scrolled past this and then was like “wait, what does a 4K tv gotta do with driving a car” and then scrolled back up and read the whole title. Like holy fuck this is awesome
This is a dream setup for every sim racer! Have you ever tried something like the SimPit Technologies?
Next will be Top Gear style road car tests... this looks bonkers man.
I thought you were in a real car at first. This is incredible!!! Do you mind if I ask what game your playing?
what game and track is it?
@@asimrc Assetto Corsa mod track
When the video started autoplay , I thought he was in an actual car lol , took me a while to read the title.and adjust the visuals of my eyes
Hey, I like the perspectives given in this video - but have you ever considered or looked into TrackIR for tracking head movements in-game? Just curious as it would add another level of immersion to your current 3x 65 inch setup.
TrackIr in this setup would definitely hurt instead of helping. He already has much more peripheral view than he needs, anyway
Yep I’ve experimented with it. In fact we’re using a trackIr as motion compensation as explained here: th-cam.com/video/7-yTnXUHK7w/w-d-xo.html
But yeah as head tracking it’s just weird.
I can't see any use for head tracking in this setup.
@@kobeandgary In games that require 360 degrees or thereabouts of vision such as Elite: Dangerous or DCS / any sort of cockpit simulation you would need TrackIR to be able to look around the cabin / up / down / behind you ect. So it is still applicable depending on the games
Thanks guys.
Bro this is sick
Great vid mate just discovered your channel. New sub here
I would love to see some f1 game play in it Will
Absolutely awesome.
Awesome setup!! I think I'll never go with this route though, too pricey😅
How big of a 'immersion' change would it be for you if you spent a day running your rig with the screens running at 2920x1080 as opposed to 4k which may be easier to attain fiscally both in tv's/monitors not to mention computer hardware? Watching this video reminded me very much of driving 2300 km's for a vacation years ago.
What an amazing rig! I'm in love with it! How do you think a triple 34" ultrawide setup would look? I'd love to go bigger using 50"-55" screens but it's not practical in the space I have. 😕
Tobii eye track could add a lot to the immersion - eye and head movement.
I would guess the best bang for buck is Reverb G2 + DOF Reality H6. It's not without compromises but will result in really nice simulations. On the plus side you get the best VR display for sim racing + full 6 DOF motion platform. One the minus side that platform is slightly on the slow side and doesn't ability to run 3 monitor setup even in theory. For the cost, nothing can beat it, though.
DUDE!! Awesome track. Found that it is LA County. Just downloaded the track. It is fun for AC! Thanks for the 65" review also! :0)
Marc du you have a link please 👌
Looks awesome to me !! Shame the Mrs won't let me make 1 🤣🤣
Realistically what 55inch 3 screen setup would you recommend thanks for the content..messaging from Virginia thanks boosted media as you have helped me tremendously with my sim rig setup!
I dont know how your vga can run games that smooth at 11.520x2160 resolution. Thats CRAZY, even for a 3090
Great video
Your setup is da sheet, reminds me of my former build with 3 ACER 5360 Beamers that gave me a fantastic immersion back then. Now I am hooked on VR with a Quest 2. You mentioned the downsides that come with having a Headset in front of your eyes, but if you are a fan of coming close to realism, once you tried a good VR Setup its veeery hard to go back to screens. I think future generations of Headsets with eye-tracking will make racing more and more perfect, or even wait for proper AR to bring your real gear into the picture, we will see... I even saw a review of a VR Headset (Varjo XR3) with additional OLEDs, Eye-tracking and AR-Cameras build in, but its not affordable. Maybe get yourself one and make a review how that beast works in simracing? Besides that, i really dig the content you make, really professional stuff and tons of useful informations
Apparently alot of people talk of a narrow field of view with the G2 despite great resolution where as with the valve index you can glance around the screen without moving your head as much as for screen door there are some people where their brains always see the screen door and can't get past it. VR surprisingly isn't for all. Good review Will but you need to try a valve index aswell. That being said who wouldn't want this setup :-)
I noted that you felt the 65"screens may be slightly to large and slightly too far away for a 1-to-1 feel. What triple display stand are you using that can accommodate 3 x 55" displays? Greatly appreciate the feedback.
3 screen is parfait but for me, VR is Fantastic you are in the race whit VR not beside it. Good video you get thumbs up
Damn, that's a Sweet set-up, Nice One !!
Unless you're willing to re-mortgage your house and dedicate a whole room in your house just for the rig then I can't see many people actually getting a set-up like this.....If I won the lottery I'd get it !! lol
On a different note.....What game are you playing in this video ??
When you passed the litte trueno i was like wait pull over flag him down...have a chat..then i remembered you're in a sim
I need this!
As a VR user another downside to VR I have noticed is when you want to go back to the menus and watch replays. Many of the cameras in iRacing feel zoomed way too far out so I make my own custom cameras. Since VR uses a fixed FOV it over rides my cameras. Additionally to that, when you’re watching replays you can still freely look which is great if you set up a spectator grandstand view, but for other views such as fixed views (broadcast TV views) it kind of takes away from the viewing experience.
Awesome job
Another awesome video. So what make are the screens, and what game was it?
I have never been jealous of anyone’s racing setup ever...
Until Now!
Good job fam!
The amount of bread you spend sponsoring or not is Krazy lol.. I hope to have a dope setup close to this with a movement seat in maybe a yr or so from now. But as you said, space and money is the restriction.. hope to atleast jump in right away with a DD2 or Sim2 Ultimate with good peddles and shifter/e b.. def doing a slow build so I can go VR as well and have qualify parts.