C&C Tiberian Sun REVIEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2023
- Command and Conquer Tiberian sun is a classic RTS from the 90s that captured the imagination of many, but does it still have what it takes in 2023?
Developer - Westwood Studios
Publisher - EA
Release date - 20/08/1999 - เกม
People are talking about RTS again. The world is healing.
Welcome back commander.
Dead and back commander, dead and back
Could it be that it is a “cycling flux thingie”? The “more hardcore PC users” (or *C64* or something…) had their road-to-computerised-gaming start from the very basics of what even a “PC” was.
Then there were the masses of “people not interested of computers almost at all” (at least that is how I remember it). Then began the age when “computers were made smarter so that Users don’t have to be as smart” >> The Smart Devices. It affected the “casual consumer audience” and console gamers and began an era of “watching game streamers and let's plays”. Now the gamers of the newer era are finally reaching the point when RTS is the real deal.
Not rly absolutes, as the eras went side by side and got mixed.
On this planet, you will die.
Dune2000 was awesome too
That "welcome back commander" Line gave me goosebumps when i booted it up
Kane Lives!
I wish that they would do a full remaster of this game!
if they let Peteoglyph do Tiberian Sun / Red Alert 2 in a pack like the original games, it would be a slam dunk.
They did, TH-cam it, looks rad
If only, Petra did an amazing job with the OG and RA1. These 2 in a remaster pack would honestly be the best
@@theinfamousllama7796 I feel like at some point EA will green light it. The RA1 and TD remasters did well enough, they must know a Tiberian Sun / RA 2 Remaster would sell like hottcakes
With a bit of hotkey, pathing, and auto-move command updates, it could be really replayable.
It only looks so zoomed out because of high resolution. Old computer monitors were much, much, smaller, creating a sense of claustrophobia as you listen to distant sounds and frantically pan the camera to see what's happening.
That's a good shout. I sort of remember feeling scared of devil's tongues back in the day but maybe being able to see more kind of takes away from that. Comparativley though, I've played RA 2 and OG SC and it is also just a smaller scale as well.
Yeah the highest resolution the game natively supported was like 1026x768 or something like that. The game was very, very hard at that zoom.
@@HydratedBeansthe good old memories of playing tiberian sun on 800x600 resolution on a windows XP computer... being like "where did my army go" and 5 minutes later you realise that they multi missiled it out of screen...
It was mentioned that there's a lot of personality and details, absolutely loved the look of this game when it came out and trying to figure out how it was done. Kinda thought something something voxels? for a long time.
On an old monitor and whatever "mid but with good effects" resolution my poor beast liked at the time things were cool. Except those androids, they're kinda bunk in any resolution and time. :)
@@HydratedBeans Yeah, 1K resolution
I love that this game is on Steam now.
Tiberian Sun was actually composed not only by Frank Klepacki but also by Jarrid Mendelson.
Thanks for the correction, I'll mention this when I get to firestorm
Easily the best game in the series for me. The story, art style and the units are all sensational.
you did not just say its better than zero hour....
Westwood didn't create the genre, but they did create the gold standard. I yearn for a game that captures my imagination like this one did. Thanks for the memories
Isn't Dune 2 the first arguable RTS game, with resource management (spice) and base-building? I think Westwood may have indeed created the genre.
Dune 2 IS indeed the First RTS. So yeah they created the genre
@@luciusdebeers6176 hey asshole, that's my line. 🤣
fallout 1 and 2 did it for me. the atmosphere realy reminded me of tib sun
Please change your comment, you're arguably spreading misinformation. Westwood, the studio behind the Grandfather of RTS, Dune 2, and the Father of RTS, Command and Conquer did indeed Found and Pioneer the RTS GENRE. 😊
I have so many memories attached to the whole C&C series but this overall is my all time fav
WOOD ARMOR.
TS is my favorite C&C game! thanks for the memories. great campaign, mood, art direction, units, and music.
My favorite RTS, played few days back :) for more than 4h in one session :) after so many year !! it was so good :) thank you for CNCNET
If EA did one thing right is that it allowed Tiberum Sun to become Openware, in other words it is Freeware in which EA has released the source code and has allowed the community to make mods of it.
My favorite is a Stand Alone mod of TibSun called Dawn of the Tiberum Age which puts Classic Red Alert Faction against the Classic C&C (Tiberium Dawn) factions in a 4-way war. Nothing like watching the mammoth tanks of Soviet and GDI duke it out or a Cat & Mouse fight between Allied and Nod.
On release the NOD artillery was so OP that you could plant 2 in your base and it would shred everything. It never missed. I had a friend that I could not beat until the first patch because of it. I had a 2 pronged attack with a Mammoth MKII as a diversion along with a bomber strike that still failed all because of the damned arty.
Because Nod Artillery
use the GPS shells.
Pile of Nod Artillery
shall wipe out enemy base with blinks.
😂 How long did you have to wait for the patch? I missed that luckily.
I was totally certain I had and have the patch, and the Nod Artillery is as deadly as it's always been. In Tiberian Sun, that is. In Firestorm it's downright pathetic.
I remember watching my dad play and all nod mission end up being 2 artillery column slowly inching forward. Shit so broken with hoe accurate and fast it fires.
11:09 they have the technology and money, but sadly not the passion and sincerity like the game developers had back in the days
First time played in 2000, on my first pc. Still have it installed on my main pc, Still playing from time to time. Great game.
Command and Conquer games are now on Steam, they're coming back for sure
I played a ton of this back in the day, as well as dune 2000.
The game fails on the controls and some UI, but its where it succeeds that counts.
People always focus on the campy bits, but that misses the entire rest of the game. It set out to make a futuristic apocalyptic world where two groups fight one another at the expense of the rest of the world, and it does so everywhere.
If you wait too long the Tiberium will spread across the maps you play, giving you a sense of how dangerously it spreads if it isn’t actively checked. Mutant flora makes sections look far more alien (especially in Firestorm) and the mutant fauna is dangerous. Not to mention that a section of humans has become Tiberium infected and is suffering because of it, and often made pariahs who are either thrown aside or experimented upon.
In the meantime as you play you’ll find the remnants of civilization everywhere. Roads and bridges, often worn down and broken, lead to tiny places where people obviously try to live. Transformers, solar panels, greenhouses and subterranean housing show how they have to be self-sufficient in a desolate world.
Missions also incorporate the civilian populace and the world. Scientists looking into Tiberium are used as pawns in media campaigns, false flag operations done to sway the population, riot control, rebel factions etc all play a role.
Then there is unit design. This is actually where the dated graphics help, as high realistic graphics makes it harder to have suspension of disbelief and convey certain emotions or capabilities than lower realism, something all the live-action remakes of cartoons are experiencing (among other things). The units and buildings are mostly blocky, jagged and utilitarian, like the Titan, Wolverine, Tick Tank and mobile artillery. Combined with the dirty look of most buildings and units with nothing really looking like its fresh from the factory and it helps sell the apocalyptic scenery with futuristic elements.
And then comes the music. Often instilling a sense of loneliness and otherworldliness that fits the theme well.
This is what makes the game so good. Almost everything enhances each other. Unit design, world design, game design, music, missions it all enhances this pre-apocalyptic desolate but futuristic world.
If only they had had less things like visions and a more streamlined idea of what the Tacitus and the Nod-build Scrin ship were and how to implement it. As well as a bit more streamlined story to guide the player to the end. Oh and better UI and controls of course.
everything you said is true!
one point: we have 3d rendered units in the cutscenes and they look awesome there. nothing to disbelieve. we need a remake of the game that gives us the cutscene look, better controls and balance and the damn dooming glooming post apocalyptic atmosphere. i really love the mysterious aspect of the world.
I agree on most your points. Hard disagree on the UI and controls though. Well, for the most part. I admit figuring out how the subterranean units worked the first time was confusing. The visions thing and the mostly unused Nod built alien ship was disappointing. Should have just had Tratos reveal that while he was in Nod custody he was working with Cabal to translate the Tacitus. Bam. Mcguffin covered. No weird.. weirder fantasy stuff in a mostly science fiction story. I mean we already have plants that produce spores, spread with runners and seeds. Often called Creeping Bell Flowers. Damned things spread quickly and are quite invasive. Just make them poisonous and grow crystalline mineral structures and suddenly we have real life Tiberium. As for the Nod built ship... yeah. Not really sure what to say about that beyond it felt under utilized.
There's something in the air. People are talking about RTS games again. It's about time.
Stormgate, Zerospace, dorf, tempest rising, BAR, there's a lot to be excited for in the near future.
@@livaveragegamer ohhhh gonna check these out thanks!
lolol no@@livaveragegamer
I started my PC gaming with a used copy of Red Alert. Tiberian Sun was the first in the series I got new. I was so excited and the campaign was so good. I have played so much of RA Remastered. I really want Tiberian Sun and RA2 remaster.
2:50 I believe you can actually be stealthy. It involves basically capturing the target base before McNeil arrives. Of course it’s been 20+ years and could be my false memory. How time flies!
Red Alert 2 will always be number 1 in my heart but Tiberian Sun was a fantastic classic
I bought the 10 year aniversary pack where came with all rhe c@c games at that time. So ra 1 and 2, c@c and cov ops, tib sun, renagade, firestorm, and all the ra add on packs. Still got it to this day
The entire franchise being released onto Steam is the best thing to happen to this franchise since the '90s.
Im happy to say the Founder's of the RTS Genre, Westwood... they were my introduction to the RTS Genre. 😊
I remember playing CandC in the 64, the action of controling a truck and some units and then giving the command to the truck to siege itself to become a military building was PURE ECSTASY, the cursor would change to a dot and a four arrows OH MY GOD SO GOOD
I remember getting a pirated copy back in 2000 cuz i was poor and then later on bought one in a bargain bin years later. So many summer days playing this gem even when i had red alert 2 in my collection
Now, i have to play this since i didn't get to back in the day.
you made a good point about 2D graphic adging better than 3D. is not the same for every genre, FPS for example, but it is for RTS and RPG.
Best game of my childhood , so much nostalgia, would love a remaster.
impeccable setup with the "yes but"
ghost stalker
not walker ;)
About the series. Command and Conquer 3 is when I was introduced to the series. I absolutely loved it. To this day I consider it to be one of the best RTS games. This is due to live action, decent acting. That acting, those hot babes of course blew me away back then. I'm all about campaigns. I love good stories, long RTS campaigns and that game gave it to me like no game did before. I felt so immersed in that game. I rate that game so highly, because of live acting which to this day is unmatched by any other RTS game. No game had engaged and immersed me into its world as Command and Conquer 3 did.
Its expansion never clicked with me. I hated its story, because it became a lot more wacky. It was a lot less serious. Command and Conquer 3 wanted to be a realistic story. This is what I adored about that game. Its expansion had a problem that it felt out of place. It was not full silliness of its previous games or Red Alert. It had constrain which in the background of the original game was trying to strike a middle ground which would appease nobody.
Though, even back then its combat was meh. I never liked command and conquer 3 gameplay. It was fun enough for the campaign, but I could not imagine playing in the skirmish.
The pathing. C&C3's pathing was hot garbage. Not saying any of the C&C games had great pathing but I could at least make a decent firing line. That and the patches designed for multiplayer balance that were incorporated into the single player maps... ugh. Reminds m of Starcraft 1 when the Sunken Colonies went from 400 hp to 300 because they were deemed too tough in multiplayer but made single player missions a fair bit harder.
Ah my childhood is coming back again.
Just a small note: the GDI distruptor - that microwave tank, actually uses soundwave to shake things apart(per lore)
Tiberian Sun is my favorite too. Hoping for a good remake/remaster
I also miss live action stuff. Of modern day developers, I'd say that Remedy Entertainment are the champions of live action: Quantum Break from 2016 featured a fairly decent live action show between the game's different acts.
Control from 2019 blended live action visuals with the gameplay itself, and quite seamlessly, I might add.
Alan Wake 2 refined the formula even further and longer live action sequences made a return since the days of Quantum Break. There's even a full 20 min short film that you can watch in an ingame movie theater.
We are going to have to act if we want to live in a different world.
Dude the opening lines are exactly my childhood
This video was fucking AWESOME. Took me all the way back, baby.
I remember watching a video how the ai pathing was one of the biggest techological challenge the game had to track so many units moving. While it can be janky at times its sich a big improvement over the first 2 games.
I used to enjoy this game by making my own mods for it. If the game had been working more stable (without errors or frame drops), it would be sure that I spent my time and enjoyed more much for it.
Lol Mufasa, that's definitely what comes to mind when I think of James Earl Jones
I think this game is the peak of isometric graphics.
It's dark but meshes somewhat of a pixel art style, with the evolution of the much more blocky, non-3D from C&C and Red Alert.
Also I feel it's much more varied compared to Red Alert 2. Walkers, flying transports, digging units, stealth, base defenses, are all more interesting than what RA2 offered.
Omg. I want to play this game again so bad
Tiberian Sun simply continued the story and offered an interesting campaign.
(Not like other C&C's)
It had flaws, yes, but man it deserved a remake.
i believe thebiggest change from this game to for example the "newest" starcraft is, that i was able to jump into starcraft and i beat the game in one run. I spend 5 Hours in Tiberian Sun to beat the 5th mission, because you get a handful troops to basically swipe a map clean. you have to lure, utilize the shooting distance, you must know which troop is vunerable to which attacker to spare lives and material.. its wild how much harder this game is.
Started playing it as a kid its still fun as an adult but we definately need a remaster.
nice review.
this game, although very atmospheric and fun, was dated when it came out. it was the same year aoe2 came out, which is still played by a huge playerbase and got serveral rereleases and updates
This is a game my dad and i played a lot it eill always be my favorite game from theC&C series except for renegade that game is bad ass. Great review
I think this art style and the original resident evil textured art was awesome and still looks great. It’s hard for me to know if that’s just nostalgia tho.
My first C&C game, when CD key wrote on disk hehe
I like your take on it
Reinforcements are arriving from the North.
Thanks for the memories
Legit bought a physical copy of this game the other day as it is seemingly impossible to get on a digital store????
I don't own Windows...didn't know there was a Linux launcher for it....Sweet!
im still hope that they will remake this aswell like the first both games.
Tiberium also have
tremendous energy density.
It is radioactive and self-luminous.
It basicly overwhelm the value of the oil.
【Depleting the Tiberium field shall overpass finantial gap.】
That is the reason why Nod explosively rise,
and the Tiberium War cause with.
"GDI don't like wheeles!"😂😂😂😂
Thanks liv
It's hard to have a good RTS. So few have the perfect balance needed to make a game fun, or the compelling setting and atmosphere. A lot of more recent attempts are missing one or both of those, when both are required to get people to care for the genre. They also have the problem of CnC and StarCraft having essentially set a bar so high that everything is compared to them unfavourably, making the hurdle to popularity that much higher before people will play it because the kind of people who love the genre will just play the classics instead because they are better.
The thing about esports, 40 year old guys with families and kids which grew up playing C&C, Starcraft, AoE are not going to go into esports. But I'd kill for good story based RTS with modding support
CNC Remastered was released and now they really need to do a RA2/Tiberian Sun remaster i reckon!
Actually,
I do think that
GDI is the UN force
with highly German techonology combined.
Since there is no Navy in the game,
land warfare will much suitable for Germans.
Funny story. C&C: Red Alert, the second World War started by Soviet aggression would lead to the foundation of a Global Defense organization. An Initiative one might call it. 😆 Though to be fair the cut scene never explicitly calls it that. The implication is that the GDI's foundation point would be around the end of the second World War. The UN was absolutely a thing, in the C&C timeline as well. Just that the GDI was more of a mailed fist instead of the current day toothless tiger. Turns out there is *some* truth to the Nod propaganda. As GDI took a more active approach of bringing "rogue" elements into alignment.
I fucking love this game
Well said.
How did you get Command & Conquer Tiberian Sun to record so well in the proper visuals? I been wanting to stream the game, but can't get it to cast on the proper resolution where everything looks normal. I don't know what kind of tweaks I need to do to get it to work properly in like OBS which I use.
Try going to cncnet.org and download it from there. It has the latest patches for visuals. Failing that you can try searching for cnc ddraw which is a file you put in the directoy that allows you to tweak the options. Not gonna lie it was a bit of a dog to get it working
How did you get it working like what settings do you put in the cnc ddraw file?@@livaveragegamer
Actually RTS is making a come back with games like Tempest Rising and Stormgate.
I hope so. Zerospace too
Good review bro. I think there's a gap in YT about great C&C mods reviews, like Tiberian Wars WarZone, Tiberium Crisis 1 and 2, and of course Mental Omega.
Could you check them out and share what you think of them like you did with this one?
Thanks for the comment. I do plan on more C&C in the future. I think Firestorm and Yuris revenge are next in line but I definitely have plans to do Mental Omega so I'll have a look into Tiberian ones.
@@livaveragegamer Sweet. Yeah, it'd be great to see your reviews of C&C General mods and C&C (Tiberian Dawn) mods
Maybe the cutscenes are a little bit hilarious.... But they will never be as stupid and bad as in red alert 3🙈🙈🙈
Tiberian sun is a masterpiece. They made that post tiberium apocalyptic feeling so well!
I was about to leave when you said Windows, but then I saw the Linux download options. I'm glad I can play this without having to run spyware.
It took me the longest time to understand that the Brotherhood of Nod is called such because the Land of Nod was where God exiled cursed peoples, including Cain. And Westwood has all but confirmed that Kane is the Biblical Cain, or at the very least functions similarly: I was shocked and annoyed when I played Firestorm and found out McNeil died in a freak accident, but then I realized it's because of the Mark of Cain: whosoever does violence unto Cain finds it visited back sevenfold upon himself.
We also find a truly ancient tomb in the last mission of Renegade, and it's entirely clear this is Abel's tomb.
For the record McNiel did not die in the Kodiak accident. The devs considered doing that for quote "having developed a dislike of working with the character", personal assumption is they were unable to come up with a convincing way of reusing the character and considered killing him off before deciding to simply not deal with the matter. After all there were a couple of cancelled games between TS/FS and Tiberium Wars. Current official canon is that McNeil went on to have a long and active career. Presumably dying in combat or from age/illness prior to the Incursion War but after the third Tiberium War.
Personally never liked implications of the biblical elements being true. Kind of undermines the egotistical, megalomaniacal vibe Kane gives off. Add to it the real world has had many cult leaders who claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus or another prophet. Someone with Kane's wealth, power and need to see his vision of reality made manifest would find the way to make an ancient tomb look real. Even if it is a phony as a Hollywood set. Part of the charm.
It’s a perfect game and then they gave you the tools to manipulate it, for a tenner!
KKND2 Krossfire is one of the gems nobody played in this time.
I played it on playstation back in the day. Probably not the best way to enjoy the game.
@@livaveragegamer I was surprised it was on Playstation. I played it on the PC.
TS is still my absolute favorite C&C. Objectively RA2 is better in presentation, UI and controls as TS still lacked some quality of life at its time, but I loved the setting so much in Tiberian Sun and the game is fun still to this day.
Tiberium games have a much more serious tone compared to the cheese and comedy in Red Alert games.
so I agree, Tiberium is much more serious.
I would love to see a remake of Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2.
or maybe there are some modern indie alternative games, inspired by Westwood Studios?
would be nice if they sold us a FUNCTIONAL product.
Kane Lives!
if memory serves me right, there is an attack move. At least in firestorm.
Heresy! It's obviously 11/10!
Ah yes tiberian sun where using flame tank(devil’s tongue) can crash your game when it falls down on frozen water.
Lol, I never managed to do that. Doesn't surprise me though
Oh man I haven't played C&C TS in a very long time, probably since I last had a Windows 7 computer. I've got the big box set of all of them up to generals, I vaguely remember installing a fan-made patch that patched them all so that you can play them local lan and without the damn disc in the drive. which was always annoying to keep scratch free.
Heck this is making me want to play it again now XD
(Now with awake spelling corrections XD)
Crazy to think about the times you had CD drives in your PC
@@livaveragegamer XD still rocking my USB external CD drives on my new system. Tho might just drag out the old XP laptop for some CNC time :3
@@medicman4444 it's a lot easier than messing around with the patches to get it working on new systems. Kinda miss Windows XP if it could use the resources available
It is your favorite game? Back then I was a kid and did not had PC. Had some outdated console games. When I started to game on PC, my first games were FPS and military sims which I can remember. A lot of random, eastern European stuff too. I grew up with more modern games like Warcraft III or even old Starcraft which was all the rage back then. Until World of Warcraft era that is.
Though, it is odd that Starcraft was my childhood game and something which people played, but command and conquer series was unheard of even if they came at similar time period.
I wouldn't say it's my favourite. I started at Red Alert. I would say that I have really good memories playing it with friends though. It also has a strong identity. It is really up there as a good game in my eyes though.
I think the nostalgia factor may play a role in judgement, but not a significant one. I played everything in the series except generals and the abomination that was anything after 3. I still think TS was the best game in the series, followed by RA2 and RA3.
the fact that one engineer in mission 7 or 8 surviving a planecrash decides if you make it or not because he repairs a bridge to get around the fortified areas says it all. one guy. Fantastic game.
TS the game that have 2 off the beter "Cortana" GDI- EVA and NOD - Cabal, thos 2 Ai's are awsom. The concret did also prevent terain deformation. and lastly "PEACE THROUGH POWER"
PEACE THROUGH POWER!
Honestly, the game only lived through it's hype.
In the same year, homeworld, earth 2150 and age of empires 2 released and they were in any case superior games
Whenever I would play this game it would slow down massively over time. Like there was a memory leak or something.
damn
Try the Cyborg Meat Roller with the Cyborg Hero.
BAck when they was releasing good game...
if whish they would do a remake like aoe2. hotkeys, better unit controls. balance tweaking. polish graphics. its just an awesome setting and artstyle
must not have heard of the rts behemoth age of empires 2 AND the new age 4
I really want to keep liking this game, but the lack of QoL, especially in the controls, is a dealbreaker now that I've gotten used to more responsiveness.
How did you get this running on a modern rig?
Go to cncnet.org/ They will have instructions to get it working.
@@livaveragegamerThere are some alternatives, like TS Client on ModDB. Great modding platform for TS too.
Tiberiumsun Remake ftW
I wouldn't mind if someone, NOT EA, went back and rebooted the whole franchise simply to bring every title into the same timeline including the ORIGINAL story Westwood had intended for cnc 3
*Tiberian Sun* was such an amazing game perhaps because *Wedtwood* literally “destroyed themselves” to make it like that.
brah CNC is supposed to be an all out war between 2 factions yet they scaled it down in Tiberium wars... thats why kane wrath is the goat
Tempest rising is coming
2D graphics for old games do not hold up mainly due to resolution and lack of crispness. Art style can still be good, but we would be kidding ourselves if it genuinely looks good. Old games need a remaster to properly hold up to modern era. A great example I think is original Stronghold. Original pixel art is amazing, but it suffers due to lack of detail. Upcoming remaster remakes graphics and makes it actually pretty and timeless.
one thing is to consider the screens back then had like 12" and a few pixels with lower Hz. games like stronghold and aoe2 looked amazing back then
@@remote24 Yeah. Low resolution screens back then was the reason why assets are such low res. It did not mattered back then, because screens could not display more details anyways.
Take a look at stronghold crusader HD
>first 5 seconds of dialogue
I don't often click Like
It's the doritos, everyone likes doritos
GDI is *not* the king of turtle in TS. That is firmly in the Nod corner. Obelisk of Light beats the GDI rpg component for damage and range. The Laser turret while having slightly shorter range gains increased damage when you have an excess of base power. The mobile artillery is *THE* best unit in TS because they outrange everything else, their accuracy is almost a guaranteed hit and they hit for massive damage. Add in the stealth field generator. The Firestorm Generator only destroys units that are on the tracks when it activates, unless it is an air unit. For some reason they would always fly into it and die where as the ground units would stop at the barrier. Note on the Artillery, it gets nerfed hard in the expansion "Firestorm". It is still better than the GDI's attempt at a comparable unit the Juggernaut. Had a team of 13 of them. 6 shots a piece and they still missed a deployed MCV, one of the largest buildings in the game by a wide margin, not once but over several volleys. Juggernauts are seriously trash. The Artillery post-nerf are only better in that they are marginally more accurate. Capable of hitting unmoving structures so at least there is that much.
GDI is more gimmicky. The Disc throwers are inefficient and often dangerous to their own side, the Disruptor *is* dangerous to its own side. The Mammoth MK2 is.. not as good as a cyborg Commando. Neither is the Ghost Stalker. Both are also dangerous to their own side. The Jump Jet infantry can be bothersome with their pathing. And the Orca Bomber is... frustrating.. All in all Nod has the best units, in my opinion of course. I still think the GDI has the best style though. The Olympic level Disc throwers while hilariously inefficient are entertaining to see just how much extra range you can sneak out of them via control firing at their max distance. If there isn't a viable target at the location the disc can skip for a good distance. Also, the concrete paving is a great way to keep your base from getting made all uneven plus it speeds up unit movement. All around a good investment unless you are looking to keep your base hidden.
nod cannot defeat gdi air
7:57 not true. Vehicles are actually voxel-based 3D models.