Kali Audio IN8 3-Way Studio Monitor Review & Giveaway - Warren Huart: Produce Like A Pro
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As you know we love our Kali Audio LP-6’s and we use them everyday. Well, Kali has done it again, and their latest IN8 studio monitors are 3-way and fully powered!
I’m excited about this because at Kali’s price point of only $299 for the pair of LP6's, I really didn't think they could make anything better.
Considering what I love about the LP-6’s, the IN8's seem like the next logical step up; and I really like the idea of the three-way speaker!
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Cheap headphones, because I'm too poor to afford good ones or monitors. Hope I win!
Hi Michel Vegter nice! Thanks for sharing!!
I go back and forth, between headphones and Speakers. I used to only use headphones. I found my mixes got better when I added the speaker component. I would kill for a pair of these. Well... I would kill germs and mosquitoes. I a kinda nice guy. The rest can live. But Wow!I love that you played Aida. I absolute love Giuseppe Verdi.
Both, as well.
I've been looking forward to these for quite some time. Great to see they've finally made it into production.
Awesome!
Excellent gear review! I find that I am increasingly spending hours in a day watching your videos - you have a fantastic gift and channel, THANK YOU, WARREN!
Wow! Thank you ever so much my friend!!
Thank you Warren. Wish I was there to hear the Kali's!
I've waited so long for these to come out. Ive been impressed by what Kali has offered so far. Can't wait to try these.
Amazing! Thanks for the kind words!
Kali Audio can I use the LP6 in the horizontal way?
I'm pretty darn sure you'll love these Ezar!!
Awesome that you heard classical music through them, such a natural frequency curve and incredible depth when recorded well!
Yes, agreed, truth be told both Nathan and I are Classical Music nerds...shhh! Don't tell him I told you!
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Warren, what is your shortlist of Classical Reference tracks???
Maybe put together a playlist on one of the streaming services and share the Link?
TIA!
Just bought a pair of these (6 in) last weekend. They sound PHENOMENAL!
Hi Joe McAdam that’s amazing to hear!!
Glad to hear it!
What is my hobby. Listening music ever since my younger days. So this IN8 will definitely suit me. Thanks a lot 4 the video.
I was just looking around for Black Friday sales on monitors and then this video is here the following afternoon. More than fine with winning a pair that's even better and bigger than what I have an eye on come after turkey day.
Hi dangrel that’s amazing to hear!! I’m very impressed! Three way speakers for $798 a pair!!
Nate is a great guy! He helped me a lot when I needed to test the LP6. Can't wait to hear these as well, they came out when I was ready to buy the LP6 so now it's harder haha. Cheers!
You're too kind! -Nate
Great Video. Can you please tell me what model of Lav mic you are using in this video please. Thanks
Great Review! Warren can you share what songs you used to audition this monitors?
Warren and Kali is perfect. Love the watch you, i see your eyes when u hear the sound 😀🤘🏻
Great review yet again, Warren! What's the name of that beautiful opera piece at 8:35?
Perhaps the wrong place to ask, but what are the mixes you refer to to compare monitors / your own mixes. I need to hear what a great mix is supposed to sound like vs my own in my monitors. Thanks so much for all you do. I really enjoy the channel!
Cheers,
Steve
The LP-6's are some of the best money I've ever spent, thanks for the heads-up Warren.
So glad to hear it!
Fantastic Hans! Agreed I love mine!!
Kali Audio Metal mania! You rock!
Hi Warren, thanks for your review. By the time you test IN8 in your room, you also work with 1032, would you give me a more detail thing how about their difference in sense of detail & depth?
I am a 1031 user till now, although i’am just a hobbyist that not everytime siting in front of monitors and we both in different room, i just work inside my bedroom that has no acoustic treatment, just a lil bit luck my room’s dimension are in the Bonello Graph recommended criteria and placed with common studio speakers placement guide.
From your honest conclusion, will it be worth switch to IN8 from 1031?
Warren, how would you say these compare to the VERY similarly priced Focal Alpha series. I have a pair of Alpha 65s, very wonderful speakers, I've very few problems with them but if these are in any way shape or form better, I would love to replace my alphas with the kalis! Any thoughts? Cheers!
Is there a full description on what boost/cuts the boundary eq switches do?
I have the LP6. Great speakers for mixing.
Thank you for presenting these amazing monitors!
Thanks!
You're very welcome Hannes!
Been patiently waiting for you to get these in studio, now it’s just to decide between these or the 6’s. I use Audio Technica M40X’s and Sony MDR 7506’s for headphones with JBL and Mackie monitors, needing to add some Kali’s to the stable..
Love my Kali 6’s....have it along with a Yamaha HS8 w/HS 10 sub setup as my pretend mains...I find having two different brands for different soundstage purposes works well.
I like that the models are named after towns in California, nice touch. I suggest a EG line for Elk Grove, CA. It's where my mother grew up.
Our suburban speakers... :)
First time commenting! Warren and the team, love you guys! What were all the reference tracks you were using? Or do you have a video with a list of some of your favorite stuff?
Please help me on this one.
Should I go for Kali LP6 or presonus xt5
So, I am having a difficult time deciding on what brand of monitor's to choose. Space is limited but, I was going to go with the LP-6's until I learned about the Fluid FX50's.
Do you guys ever review other brand's of studio monitors? I just ran into your vids today.
Should I get the Lp6 or the in8 3 way for mixing? I remember you said the lp6 are good for mixing.
Hi Warren , so are you using Genetec 1032's or Focal's now ?? what do you recommend ?
Awesome!!! Good luck to all!!!
Hi Milton Siñani Rojas thanks ever so much my friend!!
@warren....LP8 or IN-8 which one to buy and why?? Thx
Wow I need these monitors in my life!!!
They are pretty special aren't they! There's also a pre sale if you're interested! :- producelikeapro.lpages.co/kali-ni8-3-way-speakers/
I own the LP-6 and they are the best. I've had other monitors in that price range and the Kali's blew them all away. Love mixing on them.
That's amazing to hear my friend!!
yesterday arrived my lp6 AND ......are fucking great !!!! is like have my headphones all the time is really amazing.
I think you should pan around the room more often.. nice to see what else is going on haha!
Warren: do you still have these? Not sure if a power conditioner would help, but mine hiss enough that I can hear it even six feet away in an untreated room.
I am in an old house though so maybe that has an effect? What do you think. The hiss is present even with all inputs disconnected.
the 6" monitors are a fantastic deal!
Agreed, amazing value for money! The best in the price range by far!!
When you said sounds wider my Bluetooth speaker sounded like a home theater system for a second 😂😂😂😅😅
Peter Rhines haha nice!!
You need more Lacie Drives :) Looking forward to hearing these monitors.
Indeed! One can never have enough Lacie Hard Drives! Haha
I've been looking for studio monitors for like 3 days non stop, and I found out that the Kali-LP 6's are the best of the best for the price., yes even better than the ones that cost 2-3 times the money.
What would be a better choice between Yamaha HS5 and Kali LP6?
As they both are pretty close in terms of price in my country.
Also can you suggest me some good budget studio monitors according to my room?
My room measurements are as follows :
18.5 ft length X 11 ft Breadth X 8ft height
Thanks!
Would you recomend to move from gelec 1030 to In8? 🙂
Did you get a chance to mix on them? Eager to hear your thoughts!!
What álbum are you testing the speakers ?
Thinking about getting a pair warren do you recommend these or any other monitors for under 1000 dollars?
These are definitely placed at my number 1-2 choice to buy immediately. Thanks, Warren. Great job as usual. Explanation perfect. Yamaha still has me a little with their 8", and the Adam Audio 7 inch. Hmm. The 3 way aspect is gonna push me, I think. Thanks again. Sorry, finding out about the placement hiss problem. Going Yamaha
Just ordered my LP 8’s!
hope youll review them more in detail and compare more to the LP‘s :)
Ooooooh. seconded.
Thanks! I admit, I would really like to win them, not that I will, but I'd like to.
Either way, good work Kali!
Thanks!
Yes, agreed Peter!
2:52 Do the Auralex Mopads help deal with this 150 hz cut? I've been using Mopads since they came out but it's just simply that I trust Auralex to design a product that does what they say it will. In addition to Mopads, my monitors (Presonus Eris e4.5 w/Temblor T10 sub) are approximately 27" from a carpeted wall, FWIW.
How deep is the low end compared to your Genelec's and Focals ?
Rick Decker The Kali is genelec and Focal killer. The kali is more natural and best on that prices 🔊 I listen lp6 and someday IN's will be mine. Per In 480 usd in Turkey and 1 usd 5.5 usd here. U think :) Kali is the always the best on my side 🙏🏻
Could you explain what the term Burn in time for speakers means and the effective difference that it has on the sound of speakers and if there is any particular techinques that are used for doing this?
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Kali's official position is that burn-in time is a marketing gimmick. When we power test our speakers, we see no appreciable difference between a speaker that's been running at full tilt for 100 hours and one that's being played for the first time.
I've had Adam A7x for a few years now. But I'm interested in these IN-8's. Anyone have a comparison or in a similar situation. Great video Warren!
Hey Warren, Any possibility of a cla10 review?
Hi Anthony, don't they sound exactly like the NS10's that Bob Clearmountain made famous? I know what those sound like, I had a pair of those for 20 years! Still have a pair in storage!
I can’t wait to win a pair of these studio monitors. I bet they sound awesome!
Best of luck to you and everyone else David!!
i keep seeing there is a self noise issue that people are encountering. did you experience that when you demoed these?
will they be releasing an LP6 version? a Kali Audio IN6 3-Way perhaps?
I got a big beautiful smile from PB at 5:20
Thanks Warren! A lot of times I don't remember to enter. The You Tube app updates are not letting my iOS screen reading device into the expanded description box, or personal settings for the last month or so. I've written the developers at least two times with the specifics because it used to work. I can however leaf back through emails for the enter links as a workaround. I'm just saying what's happening with it here, so other peeps who also are having this same thing where voiceover skips everything before the word "catagory" can know the workaround as well, and might also write the developers by way of the "Apps" program, and mention the built in tool included in the Apple developer tools, near the end. It's a simple tool, if people are aware of its existence. I'm guessing the developer crew has changed a little. Lots of the rest of the You Tube app is working. Including 🤞🏻*crosses fingers* :) Signing off from an iPhone 6, 😎🥳 Happy new monitors!
Thanks!
Do I see Ace Frehley's Space Invader CD? If so, I engineered the lead vocal on the trk 'The Joker', with the Neumann TLM49 and my UA610mk2. Didn't mix it, would have done that a bit differently. Ace and I go back to childhood years. I just got the Cali LP-6.
Amazing achievement! But these 3 way IN8's look/sound intrigueing.
Really enjoy your vids, Warren!
These or the fluid audio fx80?
what about the hiss noise from the twitter? any solutions ?
Im considering buying the IN-5 or the LP6. The IN-5 are a little outside my price range but it's manageable. My only concern about the IN-5 is there physical size. I really want to downsize in speaker size and the LP6 would fit better in my rig and my room size, plus its cheaper. A lot of people complain about the Class D amp hiss, but coming from KRK RPG2 im used to hiss by now. I never notice it when playing music. My KRK's i bought back in 2012-2013 and for 4 years i was out of state and didnt have them with me. My family stored them in a barely insulated attic in western new york for a couple years then into a storage unit and they definitely got damaged from temperature and humidity changes. They have lost a ton of high end and sound so muffled and muddy, so its time to replace them. Warren what do u suggest i get? My budget is realistically around 500 usd for a pair, but 700 would be manageable with some extra time. Also keep in mind that my room is not treated yet so every penny i can save from gear purchases with help me invest into treating my space. I am no professional, but music is my life and passion, and just want a good sounding rig for what i can afford
As always thank you Warren and team for the content you put out there! So my question is that if going with something like a Kali is fairly impressive why would the mixing community even consider speakers such as 5K Genelec's or 8K Treo Be 11's which I believe you mix on? If the consumer base is in essence on ear buds, headphones and Bluetooth based speakers and are listening in mono or 2.1 stereo this seems a bit of a law of diminishing returns. I am trying to understand this as I originally worked on Rokkit's and Yamaha HS series speakers (which I sold - great speakers for the price) and am close in my search to upgrading to a different speaker set (the 1032C is actually one of the contenders). If 5K was the budget would it be better to save the 5K and go with different components such as better preamps, guitar / head options and the plethora of other massive amounts of options? Right now I am mixing on iLoud MTM's as a bridge. PS. I am removing the Atmos / Cinematic (5.1 / 7/1 and beyond) stuff from my question. Thanks!!!!!!!!!
Following back up as I have got my research down to Dyn Core 7 vs Adam S2V vs Genelec 8340 (all with their subs). Is this a big fat waste of money and just go with Kali's? Are speakers such as this in essence excess and not much better?
Any opinion about the Focal Alpha series???
if you want a modern classical record to test, that's incredibly high fidelity and amazingly detailed, listen to A Winged Victory For The Sullen's first record. It's masterfully recorded and mixed. Definitely checking out these monitors.
Thanks for the reco!
I wonder how these, or any other powered studio monitors, would work on a live gig situation. Would it be ok to used them as PA speakers? If so, how big of roam, and with how many people, would they fill?
Thank you for the marvelous content you put out.
i wouldnt recommend it
As others have replied, they don't really have the SPL for a live gig. At $399 a piece, you'd be MUCH better served with QSC CP series or similar.
How many people? 15 maybe
LP6s are next level for the price point
Hi Calvin Lauber agreed 100%!
How is the hiss?
Should I buy the lp6 oder the lp8?
Yes I'm looking for some speakers in this price range, room dimensions 18 by 14' I was considering the tannoy reveal 802 how do they compare to them and how do they compare to the LP8, or Adam a7x, and the Neumann's KH 80 anything you can suggest don't want to go really above £800 a pair would be grateful. Not sure about the Yamaha hs8 never liked it's predecessor 10.
I don't like to hear the voicing from the coils
Hi John! This is a personal opinion, and I am obviously TREMENDOUSLY biased, so take it with a grain of salt:
vs. LP-8: IN-8s are the superior speaker. More depth, better imaging, better dynamic range, lower distortion. All other factors being equal, if I were choosing between the two, I would only choose the LP-8 if I couldn't afford IN-8, or if I were intentionally looking for a more entry level speaker as a reference.
vs. A7X/KH80: These speakers are a different beast. The advantage that the IN-8 will have (over any two-way speaker) is that the coaxial structure eliminates off-axis lobing, so the imaging in IN-8 will be better.
@@kaliaudio i'm also thinking of grabbing a pair. So I figure I'd ask you for another tremendously biased answer so that I can hear what I want to hear and make an impulse buy.. gotta love confirmation bias! ;)
Anyway, I really like speakers with detailed up front mids. I'm guessing these have that? I have a pair of event opals, and they are fantastic to just listen to music on, but mixing is difficult because the mids are so mellow. I have to do so much on the ns-10 and my ears hate me for it.
Would you say these have a mid forward quality? that's what I'm looking for.
thanks
The Kalis are great no doubt...:)
Yes Sir!!
What about sound shootout with lp-6 (lp-8) ? :)
what do you think about the Presonus SCEPTRE ?
I mix on headphones. But I recently upgraded ro Sonarworks Reference
Thanks for putting this up Warren! Here to answer questions!
can‘t wait for them to be available in germany. didn‘t get the LP‘s but this 3 way got me super excited. I love mid range detail and this video got me pumped! 😁
Isn't there any drawback or demerits of the concentric driver of the IN-8 compared to all seperated drivers 3-way speaker?
@@simpleidindeed yes, the mid driver is acting as a moving, oscillating waveguide which introduces some distortion for the tweeter. Genelec has tried to minimise that problem in their "the ones" line by extending the immovable area around the tweeter, essentialy adding more plastic around the inside of the mid driver cone. But, the pros of eliminating the phase issues of seprate drivers on a single baffle is far greater, espetially at this price point.
@@DrAudioBot Awesome!
@@simpleidindeed quite the opposite! The separation is going to cause lobing in the directivity, as well as phase incoherence at the crossover.
Entered! I’ve yet to win anything, but I could definitely go with a speaker upgrade! 🙂🎶
@Dain Thank you, my friend!
2:20 my boi couldnt wait to give a description
Do you think that the difference between these ones and the Adam A77X is big? It's because I want to buy a new pair of studio monitors and I'm not sure if I want to spend that much money on the A77X.
Most of our retailers have pretty generous return policies if you want to try ours first... :)
@@kaliaudio and that applies for Portugal too?
I noticed you had your Focal monitors horizontally with the woofer further from your seating position and with the Kali, you had the woofer closer to your seating position. Is there any advantage or disadvantage to how you place the speakers horizontally (tweeter towards the center or woofer towards the center)? Thank you.
Oh yeah, new Kali's. Bigger, bolder. I like it.
Thanks!
@@kaliaudio Is there a sub coming also, or is that off the table?
@@kaliaudio yes!!!
@@LasseHuhtala I hear rumours...who knows?
Giuseppe Verdi's name in English is the haughty sounding "Jerry Green".
Mean Joe Green :)
@@kaliaudio Haha indeed!!
What is the orchestral section you're listening to?
I guess I'm old school I still buy power amps and speakers , but to each his own!
Nothing wrong with some old school cool. :)
I wish I could win! I'm currently rolling with a broken speaker!
They will sound even better for sure with Sonarworks reference!
and even better in properly treated room, placed at proper distance from ears (2.8m recommended at kali website)
Can I also use the LP6 in the horizontal way?
Wouldn't recommend it! The waveguide is made to be used in the vertical orientation, so the imaging will not be as good with the LP-6s or LP-8s on their sides. The IN-8s can be on their side with no problem.
Kali Audio thank you for the answer
@@kaliaudio Thanks for sharing!
@@turkishpostman525 thanks to Kali for letting us know! I was wondering the same thing!
Best Of Luck with the Giveaway.....btw.. Warren what happened about the Izotope giveaway?
Best of luck to you and everyone else Babble Pitch! I think it's going? If not it just finished! Winner is notified by email, if they don't respond we choose another one! Once they've responded we announce the winner publicly!
@@Producelikeapro ohh.. thanks
4:36 I love that song
These monitors are amazing! Love the videos!!:D
Thanks!
Thanks ever so much Miguel!
One week ago I bought LP 8 and I like more upper mids. Oh well.
Where did you buy them? If it's only a week I'm sure they would trade them back for these! You can always just ask!
@@Producelikeapro why not both! :)
I love coaxial monitors. I truly believe coaxial design is superior to the standard tweeter on top of woofer design even with the compromises which these days can be mitigated with wave guides and dsp.
Im very happy Kali made the IN-8 because it seems that coaxials just never really take off. Look what happened to Equator Audio. The IN-8s look nice however im not sure these are going to sell very well and its because of their price and specs. The IN-8s are very similar to another failed studio monitor called the M Audio M3-8 that I actually owned for a short time. Visually they look very similar with a small mid range and tweeter coaxial combo on top of an 8 inch woofer. However many things are different. The kalis use a 1, 4 and 8 inch driver. The maudios use a 1, 5, and 8 inch driver with the tweeter in a wave guide. Here is whats weird to me. The m audios larger 5 inch mid crosses higher at 450hz vs the kali smaller 4 inch that crosses at 330hz. This means the kali mid has more excursion yet there is no wave guide for the tweeter. So the m audios not only have less movement around the tweeter but a lot of it is mitigated with the wave guide. Why dont the kalis have a wave guide?
Another spec I want to compare is how low the monitors play. Kali manual says 45hz at -3d and 37hz at -10db. I usually see similar specs for 6.5 inch monitors. The m audios say 40hz but dont state the db. Many 8 inch monitors I see these days state 35hz at -3db. Overall I think this is the least important spec because the distance from the rear wall severely alters bass response but still is something interesting to note.
The next specs I wanted to compare is amplifier power. The kalis have a total of 140 watts and the m audios have a total of 220 watts. 140 is sufficient but these are mid field monitors which means they need more power than near field monitors. And comparing weight, the m audios weigh 5 pounds more per speaker. Im guessing this is because of the bigger amp, and drivers with larger magnets. Maybe the cabinet is a little thicker or has more bracing as well.
The last thing that I noticed about the kalis is the placement distance from the listener. The manual calls for 2.8 meters. Thats 9.2 feet. These are not designed to be used on a desk or even a console. These are mid field monitors that should be on stands or mounted on a wall. Im guessing the reason they need to be so far away is so the woofer crosses over correctly with the midrange since the tweeters are supposed to be ear level. With a basic 2 way design, many times you can simply raise the monitor so the woofer is ear level making the tweeter farther away from the woofer therefore giving proper time alignment of the drivers. With this coaxial design you cant do that. You are forced to move the speaker farther away so the woofer can be in phase with the mid and tweeter. Which then I wonder, does this defeat the purpose of this speaker being coaxial? When a speaker is so far away can your ears really notice if its a coaxial design? I think there is still the benefit of coaxial design but the benefit becomes smaller the farther you move the speaker away.
And last but not least, price. The M audio were marketed at 700 a pair while the kalis are sold for 800 a pair while being lighter, having less power, smaller mid range, and no wave guide. Now heres the crazy thing. The m audios have been discontinued. You can still find pairs on ebay. Denon owns M audio and Denon makes a twin copy of the M Audo M3-8 called DN508S. They look a bit different but the specs are exactly the same. Denon says they are the same. And guess how much they cost, 270 a pair brand new today.
Very Nice
Thanks ever so much!
Would be great to see mike crossey interview!
The seller is the price no doubt
wow nice monitor 😍
The noise floor is a little obvious. If it is improved, it will definitely be sold!
The giveaway is worldwide?
Yes it is!! Best of luck too you and everyone else!
Wanted to try the Kali, But where I live in England there's no where to test them. Also, They're not that cheap compared to prices in America. Even the LP6 like £300 + just for the speakers outrageous pricing considering how cheap I have seen them go in the states. Would Kali be good pedigree chums and give me a discount haha