It was You Mr Warren who sold me on the Kali audio LP6's. I saw them sitting behind you on your console and after hearing you and Glenn fricker rave about em i now have a pair on my studio desk and i must say ya'll were right. they sound great and have really helped my mixes.
@@prodbyjharee This. Down 10dB at 23Hz means calibration software can just barely correct the response (before considering the room) and you lose 10dB of headroom everywhere else. In practice, I think it doesn't really matter unless you're making bass-specific genres.
Hey so I just bought this sub and paired it with my kali audio LP-6 monitors. I somehow have less bass than I had before. I followed all the directions and hooked it up right, blue light is solid and everything. I turned off the studio monitors and just left the sub on and played some 808's through it. There is sound coming out but it's just incredibly quiet. I even tried cranking the gain and still crazy quiet. Any idea of what's going on here?
Pretty affordable for 1000w, well made, and tunable. Still out of my range at the moment, but I'm curious how I would set them for my old Mackie HR 624s?
Bought my first pair of real studio speakers a couple months ago, the Kali lp-6's. ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEM!!! Still getting used to actual studio quality monitors--listening to good reference material. To add this sub to my setup would be gold!
Hey Warren, do you think this subwoofer would be a good addition to my focal sm9's? Or would you prefer a different subwoofer for the focals? I'm not sure...
The Kali is a very well thought out product!!!!! I've seen and heard many subs costing way more that barely have a fraction of the options and performance here. And to go from studio to stage and back again... that's outstanding value!!!!!!!
I haven't dealt with Kali Audio, but I haven't trusted the company ever since I saw how they rate their speakers, just like Pyramid and other bottom of the barrel audio companies. Calling it a 1000W subwoofer is not a lie, but it's a misplaced truth. They use the peak power number so it looks more impressive to buyers, instead of using the continuous power number, which matters the most, and is 500 watts according to them. It's like bragging, for example, that you can bench-press 315 pounds. Sure, that is your max weight for a few reps. You didn't lie, but it looks more impressive in practice when you show you can bench-press 225 pounds for 12 reps even if the weight is less. I highly respect companies that aren't afraid to market their products upfront by their continuous power ratings. They have nothing to fear because they're confident in their products, that not only will they deliver, but they will also over-deliver. Not hating ot being negative, but just letting people know that the practice is shady, has always been shady, and serves no purpose to customers.
It's a fair point about power ratings. We are positioning this as both a studio and live sub, and all of the PA subs in this category list their maximum power over continuous. So if you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison vs. an EV or Behringer sub, this will be the same number. We are very careful not to inflate our specs. When we say 123dB, we mean it. When we say 23Hz, we mean it. We encourage independent verification of the specs that we publish, and we will be sending a unit to Pro Sound Testing in Indiana next week so that we can publish 3rd party CLF data.
@@kaliaudio Thanks SO MUCH for responding! I respect and admire that as a company, you're paying attention to the concerns of potential customers. This has certainly increased my confidence. God bless! 😁👍 EDIT: Since you mentioned that it can be used as a live sub, will one of these subwoofers output enough bass to at least noticeably fill a small church with 7 foot tall ceilings? I am the audio/video guy at a really small church, and I have already convinced my pastor of spending on proper equipment.
@@brunosco 23 Hz at - 10dB is exactly what we publish. There are several reasons for publishing both a +/- 3 dB number and a -10 number. +/-3 lets you know how low the subwoofer plays flat in an anechoic setting. -10 is a gauge of the lowest usable frequency that the sub is capable of. That lower number makes more sense in real-world conditions, since interaction with walls, the floor, and even the ceiling will help to reinforce the low end. So even though it only plays flat down to 30 Hz in a test environment, you can reasonably expect it to get down to about 23 Hz at reference level when the sub is playing in a room.
Oh, "Studio". If you don't care about that word, a Harbinger V2318S can be had for < $600, 2400W. It does take up some space, however. It was doing dual-duty between my studio and DJ rig, but is just for DJing now. Definitely not a 1-note bass sound from it.
Someone is complaining that the Kali 'only' goes to 23 Hertz! That would definitely make the Harbinger which really does only go 35 Hertz not fit a lot of peoples criteria!
Warren thank you very much for sharing your subwoofer story. Its an answer I always sought after from you. I am fortunate to have gotten guidance from only one producer in Trinidad since (mixers are so reserved about info here) and he told me its better get a great pair of monitors that translate down low, versus a sub to go with my focal solo 6be😕.
Is the 23hz with room gain? Thinking about putting one in each front corner, but I want to get to 100dB, maybe 110 at 20hz. Maybe 4? Is there any hiss on this? (Shouldn't be, as the low pass filter should get rid of higher pitched noise.) Also... What Genelecs and Focal's can it pair with? I have a pair of 8260 monitors.
23 Hz is the -10 response. You're not really going to get the driver to get lower than that. The woofer itself doesn't make any noise, but there is some noise on the passthrough. This will pair well with any Focal or Genelec monitor with a max SPL under 117 dB
Hey there everyone. I have a question, I’m trying to make the most use of my Scarlett 18i20. For live use I want to mic 2 guitars, 1 bass, 1 organ, 1 vocal and drums. When I have my sm57 plugged in on a channel that has phantom power running through it, it’s distorting occasionally. Are there any good condenser microphones that I can use to record electric guitar (vocals would be a bonus as well)
Hey Lukas, there should be no problem plugging in an Sm57 to a phantom powered socket. And you shouldn't have distortion. Unless the gain is set wrong.
Typically stereo subs aren't needed, as the wavelengths of the sub frequencies will sum together even across large distances. Putting two side by side, however, will give you 129 dB.
Are the specs listed in a room, or anechoic? Curious if it would go down to 20hz in a room at good levels. Maybe 2 of them would be a better value than 2 Rythmik subs.
You definitely feel it. It's very audible at 22hz, which is incredible. I had to go back and listen to all my music once I set it up. It was mind blowing. Two of these in the same room would probably loosen your home's foundation.
Can someone tell me why the sub after a hour at -12db and with the volume knob al the way up playing bass and you leave it alone for a half a hour it plays at lot louder and after a hour i thi m it is lower on volume and the same story again
Nice! I need to be hearing some more bottom end when mixing so I’m currently looking at Focal Alpha 80’s alongside my Genelec 8020B’s. I guess this sub used with the 8020’s would give me the bottom I need. All the adjustment available on the sub is very nice to see at this price point 😀
Warren, did you ever had experience with Pioneer S-DJ50X monitors? Can you give any feedback on them for mixing and mastering? Wanted to buy Presonus Eris 5 XT based on budget, but we don't have it in stores anywhere near :(
Warren,could you PLEASE do a segment on your preferred headphones? I noticed you have Focal monitors,and I had a HORRENDOUS experience with a set of Focal headphones. They were the BEST SOUNDING headphones I ever owned,but the construction was terrible. They literally fell apart,and that experience made me refuse to buy any Focal monitors. They were just like French cars,fun to drive,but mechanical nightmares.I trust your judgment. P.S. THANK YOU for the MXL Revelation II microphone I won during your NAMM giveaway. I'm not entering the contest for the subwoofer because I want everyone to win something!
I think the baseball guy mentions that they also work with the IN-8 series in another video, which uses the same bass driver and has similar bass performance compared to the LP-8.
I used to use Dynaudio BM5 mkII, i have a small room. I now use Kali LP-6 all the time now. Haven't gone back to the Dynaudios. Much easier to make mixes translate on the Kalis :-) I have a quite a nice sub but i don't use it. Sonarworks completes the picture giving me all i need.
I'm really tempted to get pair of those 3-way IN-8's and this WS-12 sub as a replacement for my current Eris E8 I've been using over 5 years already - once I redo my worskspace this year... hope you folks get them ready "in stock" at Thomann european store before summer :)
@@Producelikeapro thx for heads up Warren! I wonder (perhaps it's complex enough topic for an entire video) how do you approach (mind-wise) videos like this one - kind of review/endorsement/opinion thingy: it's rather obvious companies do want make the best product but earn money and fun further developments, being genuinely "worried" about your opinions, as you can either help them or harm them long-term; while on the other hand you seem "overly" hyped about the gear (which I believe is not the matter of false marketing, but rather an honest joy of getting hands on new gear); what's your attitude to potentially receiving a gear truly marvellous which would make your current gear an obsolete/joke (literally)? past years I've discussed with many manufacturers/developers an increasingly more difficult situation of deciding whether to "grab" new enthusiast people to employ, or keep them aside as knowledgeable potential customers - what's your opinion about this matter?
TzzSmk marvellous question! The only answer I can give is that I just have to be honest! As long as I can be myself then I’m good! There’s been a couple of things that were so bad I couldn’t release the reviews! People send me things all the time and even great companies have not so good products! None of us are perfect!!
How come he says the sub is $599 and I just went to buy one and now it’s $799!? That’s a crazy price increase! I’ve double checked on multiple web sites and they are all selling this for $799. I’m going to feel ripped off if I buy this for $799 when in this video they’re bragging about it being 6 bones. Wtf?
@@OrgChromer My monitors are digital. There is no frequency line loss with digital. Any guitar player who has played through a 50 foot cable can hear the difference compared to a shorter run. With digital input and output on my monitors I can put them anywhere I want.
@ojgom17 It's called headroom. My kids scooter does 55 mph but that's wide open throttle. It will shake itself apart maxing it out on the highway. The same goes for speakers, they work better with some headroom to give them a cushion of safety margin.
Digital input would be great, but we can't make it happen at this price point. Best suggestion would be a digital receiver box and a short run of XLR to the sub itself. Same thing with lower frequency response. It takes a lot of power to get all the way down to 20, which ends up being costly. As in all of our products, we're aiming for a balance of performance and cost to give our users the most value for their money.
@@tenlittleindians I just took 5 secs on Google and found that the competitors range from 35 hertz to 45 hertz on average! So for the money this definitely looks like the best bet!
I've never been a fan of subs in home studios. The placement is always awkward. Its hard enough getting two speakers to work well in a room let alone adding a 3rd one and also making sure its working in conjunction with the first two. The added crossover has negative consequences too. Finally, as a hip hop guy, I've never felt a need for it when a good pair of 8 inch monitors can do the job. I just put a bit of engineer's eq on my JBLs (a 2dB smiley face eq to counter my personal taste) and my mixes are translating well.
I just wish the X-over frequency settings were *sweepable* via a single pot. Other than that, seems very nice! And as always: If you incorporate any sub into any system, don't forget the 'subwoofer crawl' ...best method for placement will be had that way
OMG Kali, don’t give a -10dB rating as your marketing default! It’s a crap industry spec that should be abandoned and only acts to reel in people who don’t understand how specs work. Not something i want to see from a company I’d prefer to respect. Also, where’s your frequency response graph? The rest of the specs are meaningless without it!
We've got a sub cued up to send to Pro Sound Testing to produce the frequency response graph. I hear you about the -10. Unfortunately, this is the spec many of our competitors use, especially in the PA space. I'll point out that we also have the +/-3dB spec (30 Hz) published right below. Our goal is to allow apples-to-apples comparisons vs. our competitors so that people can choose the right system.
I hear that. I work for a pro audio speaker company and the industry is a pain. We can easily publish only the -3 rating because the subs are stupid good down to the low 20s, but recently we caved and started listing peak SPL because of being afraid average people would see our numbers and think we weren't competitive. So i get the pressure. It's another fake metric that needs to go away as well. At least you do put the -3 rating in, which i can't say is the case for not just a few of the other makers. Even worse is when they put the rating at -10 but don't actually say it's that until you read the fine print (not in the specs).
Kali Audio sounds great! If you are ever in Phoenix you could come to one of my shows with my system 😜 We do crazy experimental sound shows in an old style church at pretty intense levels!
@@kaliaudio Cool. I was born on the North Side (they now call it North Shore... LOL) at Allegheny General-- and was raised in Carnegie. Been living in Phoenix for 12 years. By the way, I own a pair of LP-6!
I'll be honest. was hoping this would have been a bit cheaper - it's double the price of a set of LP6's, I can't justify that expense - why try and do everything? Just be a good studio sub for the LP6 and maybe save some money.
How cheap? They's probably have to make it smaller and go less deep too, which starts eating into the point of a subwoofer. What extra features would you remove that go beyond "studio sub."
@@stevenswall The power for starters, it's like you trying to open a door with a sledge hammer, totally not required. You can't tell me that marketing it for LP6's with 1000 watts of power makes any sense. The crappy old sub I'm using with them right now is 250 watts and it NEVER goes above 25%. "There are some great 18-inch subs out there, but the 10 and 12 inch subs that are available don’t play below 40 Hertz" - absolute twoddle. I'm not sure if it's any good, but Presonus Temblor 10 gets good reviews and goes to 20 Hz at a little over half the price, M-Audio BX10 is cheaper and goes to 20, and they both have similar features. My cheap-ass one goes to 28. The JBL sub is the equivelent of a single pair of 306 mk2's. Yamaha on the same level for a pair of 7" monitors, but this is TWICE the cost of a pair of LP6's - how is that even competitive?
@@AndyNicholson the m-audio bx10 has the worst reviews ever.... The temblor is 10db quieter, and not built for live use. The Kali is a great sub for it's use.
If you give them a decent budget, Chinese factories will produce some great equipment for you. I guarantee this subwoofer would cost double if it were made in the USA or Europe.
Do you use a subwoofer when mixing?
All the time, as my monitors have just 5" woofers. Calibrated with Sonarworks, which becomes very apparent when I bypass the calibration.
I wish I had headphone's with a 12" woofer in them ;)
No because there are too many mixed views on subs and I am not fortunate to go to a music store oversees to test subs and/or monitors😒
Not yet but if I win Yes !!! ;)
I bought one (Adam) and tried but it just didn't work in my room. Maybe if I move into a bigger room.
This is the first subwoofer I know that can be properly used with more than just one set of monitors. That is amazing!
That's quite wonderful!
It was You Mr Warren who sold me on the Kali audio LP6's. I saw them sitting behind you on your console and after hearing you and Glenn fricker rave about em i now have a pair on my studio desk and i must say ya'll were right. they sound great and have really helped my mixes.
So good to hear!
Tony Burn I've been using a pair of Lp-6 monitors for a while now too. Great monitors but do you notice that they have a pretty loud hiss?
This is HUGE! A relatively affordable Sub Woofer that goes down to 23 Hertz! That leaves it competition in the dust!
@@prodbyjharee This. Down 10dB at 23Hz means calibration software can just barely correct the response (before considering the room) and you lose 10dB of headroom everywhere else.
In practice, I think it doesn't really matter unless you're making bass-specific genres.
@@prodbyjharee So you're comparing an $1800 sub to a $600 sub?
@@oldmanhendo7183 even mentioned a 2700$ sub 🤣🤣🤣
@@oldmanhendo7183 That’s because, if I got it well, the manufacturer is cheating and announcing 23Hz (like if they were 1800$ subs).
Would this give a real world benefit with using Kali IN8 v2's for studio only use?
Kali must really want my little tax return money lmao. Ive been waiting over a year for these!
Haha I hear you Roland! We all spend money on gear when we know sometimes we shouldn't!
@@ProducelikeaproThat's me far too often, at least that's what my girlfriend tells me🤷🏾♂️😆!
Looking to pick up one for small gig use, crowd size of 20-40 people. Rooms roughly 20’x40’ would be ideal???
It's $599 in this video, but $799 now in April 2022.
Yeah, boo...
yeeeaaaaa 2024. same
YES! Finally the Kali subwoofer! You just know it'll be fantastic
Yes! Finally! Quite exciting indeed!
Hey so I just bought this sub and paired it with my kali audio LP-6 monitors. I somehow have less bass than I had before. I followed all the directions and hooked it up right, blue light is solid and everything. I turned off the studio monitors and just left the sub on and played some 808's through it. There is sound coming out but it's just incredibly quiet. I even tried cranking the gain and still crazy quiet. Any idea of what's going on here?
A phase cancellation between the sub and the LP6s? Have you tried inverting the phase with the appropriate jumper setting at the back?
Pretty affordable for 1000w, well made, and tunable.
Still out of my range at the moment, but I'm curious how I would set them for my old Mackie HR 624s?
80 Hz crossover and you'd be good to go.
Bought my first pair of real studio speakers a couple months ago, the Kali lp-6's. ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEM!!! Still getting used to actual studio quality monitors--listening to good reference material. To add this sub to my setup would be gold!
Hi Fingerz 1 that’s amazing to hear!!
Hey Warren,
do you think this subwoofer would be a good addition to my focal sm9's? Or would you prefer a different subwoofer for the focals? I'm not sure...
this vs the Kali Audio WS-6.2?
The Kali is a very well thought out product!!!!! I've seen and heard many subs costing way more that barely have a fraction of the options and performance here. And to go from studio to stage and back again... that's outstanding value!!!!!!!
Yes, I have used a sub woofer for quite a while and it makes a big difference in mixing!
I haven't dealt with Kali Audio, but I haven't trusted the company ever since I saw how they rate their speakers, just like Pyramid and other bottom of the barrel audio companies.
Calling it a 1000W subwoofer is not a lie, but it's a misplaced truth.
They use the peak power number so it looks more impressive to buyers, instead of using the continuous power number, which matters the most, and is 500 watts according to them.
It's like bragging, for example, that you can bench-press 315 pounds.
Sure, that is your max weight for a few reps. You didn't lie, but it looks more impressive in practice when you show you can bench-press 225 pounds for 12 reps even if the weight is less.
I highly respect companies that aren't afraid to market their products upfront by their continuous power ratings. They have nothing to fear because they're confident in their products, that not only will they deliver, but they will also over-deliver.
Not hating ot being negative, but just letting people know that the practice is shady, has always been shady, and serves no purpose to customers.
It's a fair point about power ratings. We are positioning this as both a studio and live sub, and all of the PA subs in this category list their maximum power over continuous. So if you're doing an apples-to-apples comparison vs. an EV or Behringer sub, this will be the same number.
We are very careful not to inflate our specs. When we say 123dB, we mean it. When we say 23Hz, we mean it. We encourage independent verification of the specs that we publish, and we will be sending a unit to Pro Sound Testing in Indiana next week so that we can publish 3rd party CLF data.
@@kaliaudio Thanks SO MUCH for responding! I respect and admire that as a company, you're paying attention to the concerns of potential customers. This has certainly increased my confidence. God bless! 😁👍
EDIT: Since you mentioned that it can be used as a live sub, will one of these subwoofers output enough bass to at least noticeably fill a small church with 7 foot tall ceilings?
I am the audio/video guy at a really small church, and I have already convinced my pastor of spending on proper equipment.
@@kaliaudio Someone mentioned the 23Hz were at -10dB, while the lowest frequency at +/-3dB was actually 30Hz. Isn’t that misleading?
@@brunosco 23 Hz at - 10dB is exactly what we publish. There are several reasons for publishing both a +/- 3 dB number and a -10 number. +/-3 lets you know how low the subwoofer plays flat in an anechoic setting. -10 is a gauge of the lowest usable frequency that the sub is capable of. That lower number makes more sense in real-world conditions, since interaction with walls, the floor, and even the ceiling will help to reinforce the low end. So even though it only plays flat down to 30 Hz in a test environment, you can reasonably expect it to get down to about 23 Hz at reference level when the sub is playing in a room.
@@kaliaudio Thanks for explaining, that’s very informative and much appreciated! 🙂
Wow! I could use this...no I haven't used a sub-woofer mixing
That's wonderful Doug! Enter to win!
Produce Like A Pro all in, now maybe Alexey will send some of his good luck my way...😆
yesssssssss! an affordable Sub! and it sounds aaaawesome!! Will definitely order one for my home studio!
Yes, Eric!!
Couldn't believe the price! Amazing! Good for parties too ;-)
Oh, "Studio". If you don't care about that word, a Harbinger V2318S can be had for < $600, 2400W. It does take up some space, however.
It was doing dual-duty between my studio and DJ rig, but is just for DJing now. Definitely not a 1-note bass sound from it.
Someone is complaining that the Kali 'only' goes to 23 Hertz! That would definitely make the Harbinger which really does only go 35 Hertz not fit a lot of peoples criteria!
Warren thank you very much for sharing your subwoofer story. Its an answer I always sought after from you.
I am fortunate to have gotten guidance from only one producer in Trinidad since (mixers are so reserved about info here) and he told me its better get a great pair of monitors that translate down low, versus a sub to go with my focal solo 6be😕.
did he say what the reason is for that?
@@oldmanhendo7183 He just didn't like the subwoofer set up because of it sounding disconnected to his mains.
@@riktascale4 oh gotcha
Is the 23hz with room gain? Thinking about putting one in each front corner, but I want to get to 100dB, maybe 110 at 20hz. Maybe 4?
Is there any hiss on this? (Shouldn't be, as the low pass filter should get rid of higher pitched noise.)
Also... What Genelecs and Focal's can it pair with? I have a pair of 8260 monitors.
23 Hz is the -10 response. You're not really going to get the driver to get lower than that. The woofer itself doesn't make any noise, but there is some noise on the passthrough.
This will pair well with any Focal or Genelec monitor with a max SPL under 117 dB
No not during mixing.Use subs when mix is done,before going to mastering.
I need one 😞😞😞
Wonderful to here!
Hey there everyone. I have a question, I’m trying to make the most use of my Scarlett 18i20. For live use I want to mic 2 guitars, 1 bass, 1 organ, 1 vocal and drums.
When I have my sm57 plugged in on a channel that has phantom power running through it, it’s distorting occasionally. Are there any good condenser microphones that I can use to record electric guitar (vocals would be a bonus as well)
Hey Lukas, there should be no problem plugging in an Sm57 to a phantom powered socket. And you shouldn't have distortion. Unless the gain is set wrong.
Can you put two in a room for stereo
Typically stereo subs aren't needed, as the wavelengths of the sub frequencies will sum together even across large distances. Putting two side by side, however, will give you 129 dB.
Are the specs listed in a room, or anechoic? Curious if it would go down to 20hz in a room at good levels. Maybe 2 of them would be a better value than 2 Rythmik subs.
You definitely feel it. It's very audible at 22hz, which is incredible. I had to go back and listen to all my music once I set it up. It was mind blowing. Two of these in the same room would probably loosen your home's foundation.
Sweet I’ve been wanting to add a sub and this just might be the one :)
amazing prize. So generous of Kali to do this! I want this prize so badly to go with my future LP-6 pair.
Thanks ever so much!!
Can someone tell me why the sub after a hour at -12db and with the volume knob al the way up playing bass and you leave it alone for a half a hour it plays at lot louder and after a hour i thi m it is lower on volume and the same story again
Nice! I need to be hearing some more bottom end when mixing so I’m currently looking at Focal Alpha 80’s alongside my Genelec 8020B’s. I guess this sub used with the 8020’s would give me the bottom I need.
All the adjustment available on the sub is very nice to see at this price point 😀
Warren, did you ever had experience with Pioneer S-DJ50X monitors? Can you give any feedback on them for mixing and mastering? Wanted to buy Presonus Eris 5 XT based on budget, but we don't have it in stores anywhere near :(
How do you add track credit in the description?
Warren,could you PLEASE do a segment on your preferred headphones? I noticed you have Focal monitors,and I had a HORRENDOUS experience with a set of Focal headphones. They were the BEST SOUNDING headphones I ever owned,but the construction was terrible. They literally fell apart,and that experience made me refuse to buy any Focal monitors. They were just like French cars,fun to drive,but mechanical nightmares.I trust your judgment. P.S. THANK YOU for the MXL Revelation II microphone I won during your NAMM giveaway. I'm not entering the contest for the subwoofer because I want everyone to win something!
Thank you for this video! Ordered my sub now!
Question: I see the guides on the back of the sub for the LP-series - Why not include them for the IN-8‘s?
I think the baseball guy mentions that they also work with the IN-8 series in another video, which uses the same bass driver and has similar bass performance compared to the LP-8.
Yeh it said lp8 / in8
Congrats Kali Audio with the new sub!! Cheers from The Netherlands, Jeroen Simons, Independent, ex- Epica. Ps. Well done Warren!!!
I used to use Dynaudio BM5 mkII, i have a small room. I now use Kali LP-6 all the time now. Haven't gone back to the Dynaudios. Much easier to make mixes translate on the Kalis :-) I have a quite a nice sub but i don't use it. Sonarworks completes the picture giving me all i need.
Thanks ever so much Chris! I appreciate your insight! That's fantastic to hear! Especially as your work is fantastic!!
How is the Sonarworks calibration done when the sub is engaged?
I dont mix with a sub ive got 3 sets of speakers 10 ich 6.5 4 inch then a.b them and i find it better than a sub
Well, you should've probably tested it with Double Bass from the same Gorillaz album. That song has a ton of low frequencies.
I'm really tempted to get pair of those 3-way IN-8's and this WS-12 sub as a replacement for my current Eris E8 I've been using over 5 years already - once I redo my worskspace this year...
hope you folks get them ready "in stock" at Thomann european store before summer :)
I imagine they will be in stock soon enough! Thanks for the great comment!
@@Producelikeapro thx for heads up Warren!
I wonder (perhaps it's complex enough topic for an entire video) how do you approach (mind-wise) videos like this one - kind of review/endorsement/opinion thingy:
it's rather obvious companies do want make the best product but earn money and fun further developments, being genuinely "worried" about your opinions, as you can either help them or harm them long-term;
while on the other hand you seem "overly" hyped about the gear (which I believe is not the matter of false marketing, but rather an honest joy of getting hands on new gear);
what's your attitude to potentially receiving a gear truly marvellous which would make your current gear an obsolete/joke (literally)?
past years I've discussed with many manufacturers/developers an increasingly more difficult situation of deciding whether to "grab" new enthusiast people to employ, or keep them aside as knowledgeable potential customers - what's your opinion about this matter?
TzzSmk marvellous question! The only answer I can give is that I just have to be honest! As long as I can be myself then I’m good! There’s been a couple of things that were so bad I couldn’t release the reviews! People send me things all the time and even great companies have not so good products! None of us are perfect!!
Been waiting for this! Yes I use a subwoofer.
Marvellous!!
Kali is great.
Yes, indeed
How come he says the sub is $599 and I just went to buy one and now it’s $799!? That’s a crazy price increase! I’ve double checked on multiple web sites and they are all selling this for $799. I’m going to feel ripped off if I buy this for $799 when in this video they’re bragging about it being 6 bones. Wtf?
Remember guys, the more watts, the larger the electrical bill.
Since this uses class D amplification, it's not as bad as the power rating suggests. If it used class A amplification, then that's a different story.
"and the only lamp, left on in the house..."🤗
Pleaaaase sell those in Brazil!!!!! We are a small rock band that would use a lot a pair of those!!!!
I like this a lot.
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
Two observations. It has no digital input port and it only goes down to 23herz.
Neither will be deal-breakers for most folks. There's nothing useful way down there anyway.
@@OrgChromer My monitors are digital. There is no frequency line loss with digital. Any guitar player who has played through a 50 foot cable can hear the difference compared to a shorter run. With digital input and output on my monitors I can put them anywhere I want.
@ojgom17 It's called headroom. My kids scooter does 55 mph but that's wide open throttle. It will shake itself apart maxing it out on the highway. The same goes for speakers, they work better with some headroom to give them a cushion of safety margin.
Digital input would be great, but we can't make it happen at this price point. Best suggestion would be a digital receiver box and a short run of XLR to the sub itself.
Same thing with lower frequency response. It takes a lot of power to get all the way down to 20, which ends up being costly. As in all of our products, we're aiming for a balance of performance and cost to give our users the most value for their money.
@@tenlittleindians I just took 5 secs on Google and found that the competitors range from 35 hertz to 45 hertz on average! So for the money this definitely looks like the best bet!
Eric, Eric, Eric! - Radio Stars - Songs For Swinging Lovers.
I've never been a fan of subs in home studios. The placement is always awkward. Its hard enough getting two speakers to work well in a room let alone adding a 3rd one and also making sure its working in conjunction with the first two. The added crossover has negative consequences too. Finally, as a hip hop guy, I've never felt a need for it when a good pair of 8 inch monitors can do the job. I just put a bit of engineer's eq on my JBLs (a 2dB smiley face eq to counter my personal taste) and my mixes are translating well.
The 8 inch woofers on your monitors also has a crossover. A separate sub goes lower and imitates a 3 way
$799 now?
I just wish the X-over frequency settings were *sweepable* via a single pot. Other than that, seems very nice! And as always:
If you incorporate any sub into any system, don't forget the 'subwoofer crawl' ...best method for placement will be had that way
YESSS! We're doing a whole video on the subwoofer crawl.
Super Warren 👍🏻
André Irlmeier thanks ever so much!!
Very often i‘m watching youre Videos on my Apple TV ... on this is no Chance to say thank you for your superb work .
OMG Kali, don’t give a -10dB rating as your marketing default! It’s a crap industry spec that should be abandoned and only acts to reel in people who don’t understand how specs work. Not something i want to see from a company I’d prefer to respect. Also, where’s your frequency response graph? The rest of the specs are meaningless without it!
We've got a sub cued up to send to Pro Sound Testing to produce the frequency response graph.
I hear you about the -10. Unfortunately, this is the spec many of our competitors use, especially in the PA space. I'll point out that we also have the +/-3dB spec (30 Hz) published right below. Our goal is to allow apples-to-apples comparisons vs. our competitors so that people can choose the right system.
I hear that. I work for a pro audio speaker company and the industry is a pain. We can easily publish only the -3 rating because the subs are stupid good down to the low 20s, but recently we caved and started listing peak SPL because of being afraid average people would see our numbers and think we weren't competitive. So i get the pressure. It's another fake metric that needs to go away as well.
At least you do put the -3 rating in, which i can't say is the case for not just a few of the other makers. Even worse is when they put the rating at -10 but don't actually say it's that until you read the fine print (not in the specs).
Good to hear you'll have the response graph available! That tells the real story!
@@glenallan6279 next time you're in LA, hit us up and we'll get a drink and commiserate. I feel your pain brother!
Kali Audio sounds great! If you are ever in Phoenix you could come to one of my shows with my system 😜 We do crazy experimental sound shows in an old style church at pretty intense levels!
Let me guess ,hes a pirates fan??
HUGE Pirates fan. :)
Is Nathan from Da Burgh?
Northside
@@kaliaudio Cool. I was born on the North Side (they now call it North Shore... LOL) at Allegheny General-- and was raised in Carnegie. Been living in Phoenix for 12 years. By the way, I own a pair of LP-6!
@@ksparbanie Every time a yinzer buys an LP-6, an angel gets its wings.
@@kaliaudio "Way to go, Clarence!"
I wonder if warren even knows what that jersey means.
He asked if it was a handball team
LOL, show him some of those "best of" videos on TH-cam I think he'll be impressed.
@@hifijohn Haha I'm a cricket, rugby and field hockey fan!!
@@kaliaudio haha isn't that what that game where you throw that ball to each other? Haha Just kidding!
I'll be honest. was hoping this would have been a bit cheaper - it's double the price of a set of LP6's, I can't justify that expense - why try and do everything? Just be a good studio sub for the LP6 and maybe save some money.
How cheap? They's probably have to make it smaller and go less deep too, which starts eating into the point of a subwoofer. What extra features would you remove that go beyond "studio sub."
@@stevenswall The power for starters, it's like you trying to open a door with a sledge hammer, totally not required. You can't tell me that marketing it for LP6's with 1000 watts of power makes any sense. The crappy old sub I'm using with them right now is 250 watts and it NEVER goes above 25%.
"There are some great 18-inch subs out there, but the 10 and 12 inch subs that are available don’t play below 40 Hertz" - absolute twoddle. I'm not sure if it's any good, but Presonus Temblor 10 gets good reviews and goes to 20 Hz at a little over half the price, M-Audio BX10 is cheaper and goes to 20, and they both have similar features. My cheap-ass one goes to 28.
The JBL sub is the equivelent of a single pair of 306 mk2's. Yamaha on the same level for a pair of 7" monitors, but this is TWICE the cost of a pair of LP6's - how is that even competitive?
@@AndyNicholson the m-audio bx10 has the worst reviews ever.... The temblor is 10db quieter, and not built for live use.
The Kali is a great sub for it's use.
If only it was still 599, now its 799
Annoying that they've put the price up to $799, would Iof bought it straight away at $599.
I eanterd it as Ayushmaan
Literally no one from SoCal says "cali".
Sorry cant buy a sub from a pirates fan, call me when a cardinals fan sells a sub.
Don't go looking for the video I did in Cubs gear, then.
one or two subs ? :p
Just one!
cool
Made in China!!!
If you give them a decent budget, Chinese factories will produce some great equipment for you. I guarantee this subwoofer would cost double if it were made in the USA or Europe.