I’ve raised over 500 horses that I’ve sired and birthed myself by means of the usual method of farm veterinarians. I reach up in there. I know all about horses and yep these models are in horses. ❤❤❤
@@sebastiencarrieres8825 thank you so very much for the line regarding your incredibly VAST area of expertise. I will be will offering up attribution to you when I use that line, when I am not siring horses of course.
@@greghelm843 I’m so glad that you asked this very important question; I’m so interested to learn along with you. Along with my teacher, seabastiencarries1988, I am an expert in all things NON-HORSE related. Unfortunately your question relates to horses in some way. I thought that this was clear in the above comments. Cheers. ❤️❤️❤️
I’ve heard through a mate that 3x3 has been confirmed to be just for the starter set. Apparently said on a Facebook comment by the middle earth manager.
General Targg is indeed in the background of the trailers by either Wulf or Freca. It's quick, but I double checked he wasn't an original character and found him. There's another Dunlending general shown in the back in some shots, So maybe that could be another hero? Other heroes for the WOTR edition I could see are a new Helm (multiple versions), Hera (multiple versions), Frealaf, Hild. Also, plastic Riders of Rohan, elite Hill Tribesmen guard with those skull masks, plus Hill tribe Cavalry, Mumakil and Siege Ramps. A new Watcher, Snow Troll, Orc ring-finders, and a massive White Eagle would make fine editions as well. Due to the revamped Dunland profiles, the old Dunland models that look like Vikings or evil Rohirrim (Warrioirs, Horsemen, Huscarls, Frida, Gorulf, Thyrdan) could now be used as either Hillmen of Rhudaur, Men of the Anduin Vales, Woodmen of Mirkwood or Eotheod. I also wonder if metal wild-men will be phased out for these new ones, though I bet the Oathmaker will stay.
This is cracking, loved it since I got the email for the preview! I have wondered if they will bring out a new mumak 🤔 but loving to see all that’s to come!
In the Middle Ages the most powerful horses were used for work or war, Wulf's horse looks similar to a Friesian. Maybe it can appears to be similar to the old model Archaon's Nightmare.
I am so happy that they ignore the rings of power. Apparently the war of the rohirrim might be interesting after all… inly…the rohirrim didn’t drove the dunlending from their land. They were just upset they didn’t got the land INSTEAD of the rohirrim.
Thanks for the comment, I had a long conversation about this yesterday and I reckon it depends on if royal guard feature in the movies. I am very hopeful
I hope I can get a friend or two into this game. It might be nice to play something a bit simpler at times and use a smaller army in regards to collecting and painting. Fingers crossed I don't end up being alone in my friend group. The new minis look cool, I really hope a 150 pages in a rule book is inductive to a simple game with a nice solid ruleset that's easy to pick up and play. I hope I can get my friends to play. 40k is the main game among my group. Might we see you post some How To Play games with this set?
Looks great! Thanks for the overview. What about making the saxonia rock bases in the same size as the Rohan houses? We could purchase the bases to elevate the houses that come with the box set.
This is great timing, I was thinking of starting a Dunland force with mostly Victrix minis, but since a friend of mine started Rohan we will be splitting this! I do kind of wish the starter came with some Rohan cavalry though, I understand it's a siege but it's obviously not an infantry heavy faction
I was surprised there was a lack of model diversity in this box set - surely having a form of riders for each faction would've given more depth and a introduction to cavalry rulesets to start with
I was hoping to have a few more troop types but I am sure that they will come with future releases. We have the mounted heroes to learn the Cavalry rules but I was hoping for a monster. I reckon we will have a new great eagle and new Mumaks on the way soon
Thanks for the comment, I think one of the big motivations for going to a smaller board would be to reduce the power of shooting. I reckon the current shooting strength on smaller boards will make it a lot more fun to play with
"If you are not interested in my thoughts..." I really thought you were going to say "Why the hell are you watching the channel then?" lol. Good stuff. This is a pretty cool set mainly because it shows that they are willing to spend money and invest in MESBG still.
Héra's absence in the starter box doesn't necessarily say anything about her role in the movie. Neither of the last two starter boxes contained the main characters of the films.
It makes total sense that the Dunland lads use a different breed of horse. The Rohirrim have been inter-breeding their horses obsessively for generations…
I fully expect that the existing Dunland army will end up as a Legends faction, with Wildmen and Crebain absorbed into the White Hand army (as in the article). The new plastics are so good! I can’t help but compare them to the Men of Carn Dum and think those sculpts are amateurish and an after-thought compared to these.
Been holding off starting this game since this new wdition was announced. Didnt want to get the old rules just before new ones dropped but i hope it comes out soon so i can finally get into this game!
@ConquestCreations I really wanna run the Return of the King legendary legion because those looks really fun to paint. It seems finding Warriors of the dead boxes tho are hard
@@Magicman1625 It's a great faction to start with! The great thing is that you can get started on the painting now so that when the new edition drops its ready to go. I have just had a look and atleast in Australia they are in stock on the Warhammer website. Alternatively the second hand market has a heap of them because they were in the old starter kit.
I like my Rohan HQs to wear a helmet on a horse, then helmless on foot. This set looks decent, guessing it's the standard $230 US that all the big boxes have been this year. If so its not quite the good deal that Osgiliath and Pellinor were. Hoping they price it a little lower to try and expand the player base.
I gotta say I expected GW to recycle the old Rohan models but I'm very happily surprised by these new sculpts. Also wasn't too interested in getting any new models but damn those wildmen are awesome. Hoping we'll get more plastics (especially a potential new Watcher for my Moria army) but I'm guessing the other non-hero models that'll come out for the movie will be FW resin.
I do think the box looks a bit "boring" with all infantry (save the heroes) - as you say, would've liked a big guy or, failing that, maybe swap 12 warriors for six riders to help the start box showcase more of the game. That said, lovely looking sculpts, and pleased with the tribesmen doubling as wild men of dunland. Will definitely be getting the box.
@@ConquestCreations i saw a comment they made the other day which totally ruined my trust in them knowing stuff, i think it depends on which media person responds but they said that they were unsure of if you would get both sculpts (foot and mounted) of the heroes in the new box haha
He’s riding a draft horse. Looks cool. It is Lord of the rings, but historically speaking they never really use them as Calvary because you were just that much bigger of a target and when you want to swing with a low cut on with your sword, you were up sometimes way too high.
Can somebody please explain the difference between War of the Ring models and MESBG models? Looking to get into the game again, but cant really see the difference. All I know is I don't want to get into the "hobbit" version, lol. I think I want MESBG? Was thinking to start with Gothmog army vs Faramir army starter kit.
I don't know for sure but my assumption is that they will not be able to. Isengard will not rise as an evil power until hundreds of years after this battle.
I have a feeling that the Dunland side will have the better heroes while Rohan will have the better infantry. And does anyone else think Targg looks like a Targarian?
Thanks for the comment, Given that we haven't seen the movie we don't know who the main character is yet. The English trailer heavily featured Hera but she was a much smaller part of the Japanese trailer. Regardless previous starter sets such as the pellanor fields and Battle of Osgiliath did not feature the main characters of Lord of the Rings
Thanks for the comment, if 3x3 becomes the standard I would be really happy. It would limit the options for maneuvering but it allows every board to be more dense with terrain and it limits a lot of the armies with negative play styles like avoidance and shooting armies
@@ConquestCreations a facebook comment by the warhammer team. someone asked if the table size would be shrinking to 3x3 for regular games and the response was 'This is just for the battle mat included in the box. We'll have more news on the new edition as it approaches release'. Now that I think about it I guess it could mean "3x3 is just for the one in the box, we'll tell you what the regular size will be later" or "The mat in the box is 3x3, the regular size may or may not be 3x3, we're not saying yet."
@@ConquestCreations That's fair. I do agree with your points that a lot of the board often goes unused. By the way, I love your saxonia terrain and once I've got some space in the budget I'm definitely getting that bundle to print!
I don't agree with your argues about the 3x3 Board. It kills alot of decision for the start of the game. With a smaller Board it doesn't matter that much were you place your Army at start of the game, because you can reach the right or left more easier.
Thanks for the comment. I am really optimistic about the new movie even if I have never gotten into anime before. Regardless of if its good or bad the new models look awesome
Watch the japanese version of the trailer almost no hera in that one shows different scenes. Box looks good except targ don't get the character only person in lotr with short hair 🤨 hera was put in because director is apparently a feminist who didn't like only men fighting in the movie wich is ridiculous she wanted a mirror of eowyn.
Thanks for the comment, really interesting because I have found the polar opposite. I find shooting to be very very powerful. When it comes to regular armies with a 1/3rd bows like a Gondor or a Rivendell I think it has a good level of impact on the game. However when its a 50% shooting Harad army, or a 1/3rd cross bow uruk horde it can be wildly to powerful. So I think the 3x3 would help tone those armies down significantly
Wallets will be shaken! Credit limits will be broken! A poor day, an eating only bread day - ere the grey pile of shame rises!!!!
DEBT!! DEEEEEEBT!!!
6000, more than half of what I hoped
I love this 😂😂😂 this should be written on the back of the starter box!!
As an expert at identifying horses. I can say that Wulf, is definitely riding a horse. Hope that helped
I’ve raised over 500 horses that I’ve sired and birthed myself by means of the usual method of farm veterinarians. I reach up in there. I know all about horses and yep these models are in horses. ❤❤❤
Thank you, as a non-horse expert*, I was confused.
*Yes, I'm an expert in everything that is not horse related.
@@sebastiencarrieres8825 thank you so very much for the line regarding your incredibly VAST area of expertise. I will be will offering up attribution to you when I use that line, when I am not siring horses of course.
@primeaardvark646 these models are in horses? Do you put them there or do they eat them?
@@greghelm843 I’m so glad that you asked this very important question; I’m so interested to learn along with you. Along with my teacher, seabastiencarries1988, I am an expert in all things NON-HORSE related. Unfortunately your question relates to horses in some way. I thought that this was clear in the above comments. Cheers. ❤️❤️❤️
I’ve heard through a mate that 3x3 has been confirmed to be just for the starter set. Apparently said on a Facebook comment by the middle earth manager.
I heard the same too. I'm hoping it's true because I just bought a 4x4 mat
It is, Warhammer mentioned it on their IG too.
Yea Rob Alderman
@@NicholasGeorgePrior I also just bought some 4x4 mats, but could always play on part of em
Yup this is it!!! Starting my journey for this game with this box guys!!!
Nice! I think you'll enjoy it if the new rules are anything like the current ruleset.
@@Dimanti88 I’m very excited!
Good thing I've held off getting the Rohan start collecting box!
These new models are a lot nicer! This will be a great way to start a Rohan army
General Targg is indeed in the background of the trailers by either Wulf or Freca. It's quick, but I double checked he wasn't an original character and found him. There's another Dunlending general shown in the back in some shots, So maybe that could be another hero? Other heroes for the WOTR edition I could see are a new Helm (multiple versions), Hera (multiple versions), Frealaf, Hild. Also, plastic Riders of Rohan, elite Hill Tribesmen guard with those skull masks, plus Hill tribe Cavalry, Mumakil and Siege Ramps. A new Watcher, Snow Troll, Orc ring-finders, and a massive White Eagle would make fine editions as well.
Due to the revamped Dunland profiles, the old Dunland models that look like Vikings or evil Rohirrim (Warrioirs, Horsemen, Huscarls, Frida, Gorulf, Thyrdan) could now be used as either Hillmen of Rhudaur, Men of the Anduin Vales, Woodmen of Mirkwood or Eotheod. I also wonder if metal wild-men will be phased out for these new ones, though I bet the Oathmaker will stay.
Man those "updated" Rohan Warriors look so good it's unreal. I hope the riders also get a "4K Remaster".
This is cracking, loved it since I got the email for the preview!
I have wondered if they will bring out a new mumak 🤔 but loving to see all that’s to come!
the only complaint I have is all heroes stand on the most heroic of rocks they can find.
I think at this point we need to accept that the heroic rocks are a staple of Warhammer these days
It's so they can Heroically see over the heads of their troops!
how will I tell my heroes from my rank and file if they don't have their own tactical rock???
Honestly amazing! I took a couple years out but got back into ME for the angmar hype train! New plastics means conversion potential and that’s my jam!
The new Rohan models are like the 4K version of the current ones! Cannot wait to get them painted up, lets hope Riders and Royal Guard are next!
In the Middle Ages the most powerful horses were used for work or war, Wulf's horse looks similar to a Friesian. Maybe it can appears to be similar to the old model Archaon's Nightmare.
200% getting this kit. Super pumped!!
Will you do a paint guide for your Tor Ithalis Terrain?
Wulf's horse could be a percheron. During medievial times they were commonly used by knights to charge into battle.
I love your points about he 3’x3’ board size. I also hope this is a permanent change.
It would be great for a number of scenarios, storm the camp might actually work for once
I'm pretty excited for it. new rohan sculpts and I guess I'll be making a Dundland warband too!!
It looks like the dunland horses are shire horses that are used for farming back in the day.
I am so happy that they ignore the rings of power. Apparently the war of the rohirrim might be interesting after all…
inly…the rohirrim didn’t drove the dunlending from their land. They were just upset they didn’t got the land INSTEAD of the rohirrim.
Hopefully this means new Rohan Royal Guard models.
Thanks for the comment, I had a long conversation about this yesterday and I reckon it depends on if royal guard feature in the movies. I am very hopeful
Damn, I just started painting up my Rohan..
Looks like the perfect excuse to get into War of the Ring my friend
I hope I can get a friend or two into this game. It might be nice to play something a bit simpler at times and use a smaller army in regards to collecting and painting. Fingers crossed I don't end up being alone in my friend group. The new minis look cool, I really hope a 150 pages in a rule book is inductive to a simple game with a nice solid ruleset that's easy to pick up and play. I hope I can get my friends to play. 40k is the main game among my group.
Might we see you post some How To Play games with this set?
Looks great! Thanks for the overview. What about making the saxonia rock bases in the same size as the Rohan houses? We could purchase the bases to elevate the houses that come with the box set.
This is great timing, I was thinking of starting a Dunland force with mostly Victrix minis, but since a friend of mine started Rohan we will be splitting this! I do kind of wish the starter came with some Rohan cavalry though, I understand it's a siege but it's obviously not an infantry heavy faction
Most dining tables are 900mm to 1100. Wide so a 3dt wide table just makes sense for accessibility.
At 9:20 that would be based on a real world 'Shire Horse' (not LoTR Shire) with the feathered feet - old scool work horses as you say.
I was surprised there was a lack of model diversity in this box set - surely having a form of riders for each faction would've given more depth and a introduction to cavalry rulesets to start with
I was hoping to have a few more troop types but I am sure that they will come with future releases. We have the mounted heroes to learn the Cavalry rules but I was hoping for a monster. I reckon we will have a new great eagle and new Mumaks on the way soon
To fix that shooting problem the 3x3 presents they could be bringing back Volly fire. Over the top of your troops
Thanks for the comment, I think one of the big motivations for going to a smaller board would be to reduce the power of shooting. I reckon the current shooting strength on smaller boards will make it a lot more fun to play with
Come on new riders
Hell yeah
I reckon we will 100% get new riders, if they are just the same models but on horse they will be incredible
Will happen for sure. Royal Guard probably too.
Murder hobos almost kills me with a laughter attack 😂😂😂
I didnt think it would be a starter box ofc but I feel they might take this opportunity to release a new Mumak with one shown to be in the film
"If you are not interested in my thoughts..." I really thought you were going to say "Why the hell are you watching the channel then?" lol.
Good stuff. This is a pretty cool set mainly because it shows that they are willing to spend money and invest in MESBG still.
thanks Jacob. Nice video. im okay with a 3x3 if thats they way they go, its what i learned on anyway. nice starter set but hope its priced kindly.
What I do know is from one horse to the next a horse can be more different. This ones like a Koala, while this other is more like a Wallaby.
It bothers me more than it should that Haleth on foot has an empty sword sheath, but he isn't wielding the sword.
Thanks for the comment, but I hate that you have pointed that out! He might need a small conversion
It's war, stuff happens. He might have dropped it. I actually like it.
Maybe he will have the option of holding the sword instead of the axe?
Héra's absence in the starter box doesn't necessarily say anything about her role in the movie. Neither of the last two starter boxes contained the main characters of the films.
It makes total sense that the Dunland lads use a different breed of horse. The Rohirrim have been inter-breeding their horses obsessively for generations…
Nice hoodie
I wonder what will happen to stuff like the old Dunlending™ Warrior Warband, because I like the more professional look they have.
Thanks for the comment, My guess is that the dunlending warriors will be untouched but the wildmen of dunland will be replaced with these new plastics
I fully expect that the existing Dunland army will end up as a Legends faction, with Wildmen and Crebain absorbed into the White Hand army (as in the article).
The new plastics are so good! I can’t help but compare them to the Men of Carn Dum and think those sculpts are amateurish and an after-thought compared to these.
Been holding off starting this game since this new wdition was announced. Didnt want to get the old rules just before new ones dropped but i hope it comes out soon so i can finally get into this game!
This is going to be the perfect place to start! I am not sure when this will drop but I hope it is soon
@ConquestCreations I really wanna run the Return of the King legendary legion because those looks really fun to paint. It seems finding Warriors of the dead boxes tho are hard
@@Magicman1625 It's a great faction to start with! The great thing is that you can get started on the painting now so that when the new edition drops its ready to go. I have just had a look and atleast in Australia they are in stock on the Warhammer website. Alternatively the second hand market has a heap of them because they were in the old starter kit.
@ConquestCreations I'll take a look thank you!
I like my Rohan HQs to wear a helmet on a horse, then helmless on foot.
This set looks decent, guessing it's the standard $230 US that all the big boxes have been this year. If so its not quite the good deal that Osgiliath and Pellinor were. Hoping they price it a little lower to try and expand the player base.
I gotta say I expected GW to recycle the old Rohan models but I'm very happily surprised by these new sculpts.
Also wasn't too interested in getting any new models but damn those wildmen are awesome.
Hoping we'll get more plastics (especially a potential new Watcher for my Moria army) but I'm guessing the other non-hero models that'll come out for the movie will be FW resin.
I believe that Hera is simply not present for this particular battle, maybe doing something different in that time
I do think the box looks a bit "boring" with all infantry (save the heroes) - as you say, would've liked a big guy or, failing that, maybe swap 12 warriors for six riders to help the start box showcase more of the game.
That said, lovely looking sculpts, and pleased with the tribesmen doubling as wild men of dunland. Will definitely be getting the box.
You definitely know more about horses than George R.R. Martin.
in a twitter comment warcom said that as far as they know the 3x3 is just for the box
Thanks for the comment, I saw a facebook comment along the same lines. My interpretation of it was that the Warhammer spokes person was unsure
@@ConquestCreations i saw a comment they made the other day which totally ruined my trust in them knowing stuff, i think it depends on which media person responds but they said that they were unsure of if you would get both sculpts (foot and mounted) of the heroes in the new box haha
I was really hoping it was just squeaking with excitement for 21 minutes!
He’s riding a draft horse. Looks cool. It is Lord of the rings, but historically speaking they never really use them as Calvary because you were just that much bigger of a target and when you want to swing with a low cut on with your sword, you were up sometimes way too high.
I believe the term you were looking for is draft horse
Can somebody please explain the difference between War of the Ring models and MESBG models? Looking to get into the game again, but cant really see the difference. All I know is I don't want to get into the "hobbit" version, lol. I think I want MESBG?
Was thinking to start with Gothmog army vs Faramir army starter kit.
These platic warriors will probably be a huge increase in price. I'm thinking a 50% increase in price
Oooooh interesting thought, I hadn't considered this but it is definitely possible. I hope that isn't the case but I would not be super surprised
Any info if these will be heroic scale or fit perfectly with the previous gw lotr line?
These will fit perfectly with the existing Lord of the Rings line
Anyone know if these new Dunland characters will be able to go with an Isengard list?
I don't know for sure but my assumption is that they will not be able to. Isengard will not rise as an evil power until hundreds of years after this battle.
How is Hera not in the box?
Anglo saxon inspired 👀
Does anyone know when the new edition / rules will be released?
Not exactly sure yet, my initial thoughts was late November but now that this has been released it might be sooner
Do we know anything about release date?
Not yet, my initial guess was the end of November but now that this has been revealed it may be sooner
I have a feeling that the Dunland side will have the better heroes while Rohan will have the better infantry.
And does anyone else think Targg looks like a Targarian?
Thanks for the comment, I completely agree with you here. I didn't see the Targarian until now but now I can unsee it hahaha
Why did they leave out the main character?
Thanks for the comment, Given that we haven't seen the movie we don't know who the main character is yet. The English trailer heavily featured Hera but she was a much smaller part of the Japanese trailer.
Regardless previous starter sets such as the pellanor fields and Battle of Osgiliath did not feature the main characters of Lord of the Rings
3x3 takes maneuver out of it.
Thanks for the comment, if 3x3 becomes the standard I would be really happy. It would limit the options for maneuvering but it allows every board to be more dense with terrain and it limits a lot of the armies with negative play styles like avoidance and shooting armies
I really hope the 3x3 board happens. I’ve been playing a lot of battle companies lately and enjoy that board size immensely.
3x3 is not the new standard. they probably just included a 3x3 mat because the regular size is too big for the amount of models in the box.
Thanks for the comment, Do you have any source for this?
@@ConquestCreations a facebook comment by the warhammer team. someone asked if the table size would be shrinking to 3x3 for regular games and the response was 'This is just for the battle mat included in the box. We'll have more news on the new edition as it approaches release'.
Now that I think about it I guess it could mean "3x3 is just for the one in the box, we'll tell you what the regular size will be later" or "The mat in the box is 3x3, the regular size may or may not be 3x3, we're not saying yet."
@@r31n0ut I had a dig around and found that same comment, my conclusion from it was that the media team didn't know so I reckon it's still uncertain
@@ConquestCreations That's fair. I do agree with your points that a lot of the board often goes unused.
By the way, I love your saxonia terrain and once I've got some space in the budget I'm definitely getting that bundle to print!
I don't agree with your argues about the 3x3 Board. It kills alot of decision for the start of the game. With a smaller Board it doesn't matter that much were you place your Army at start of the game, because you can reach the right or left more easier.
The base size looks like a 32mm
thanks for the comment, they were confirmed by Games Workshop to be 25mm
Primaris Warriors of Rohan
These new Warriors are a lot nicer. They look pretty similar in scale but with a lot crisper details
@@ConquestCreationsthe old ones were pretty short, comparing my rohirrim with Dale troops and old metals
I would so love the base game size being 3x3
Shire horse.
Like Hobbits.
Risky buying a box for a spinoff film that could be awful but the new Rohan/Tribesmen minis are most welcome!
Thanks for the comment. I am really optimistic about the new movie even if I have never gotten into anime before. Regardless of if its good or bad the new models look awesome
More prefesional with this haircut
😍😍😍😍😍✅✅✅✅
The heroes look too much like AoS to me
Watch the japanese version of the trailer almost no hera in that one shows different scenes. Box looks good except targ don't get the character only person in lotr with short hair 🤨 hera was put in because director is apparently a feminist who didn't like only men fighting in the movie wich is ridiculous she wanted a mirror of eowyn.
just saying but 18:00 if they swap to 3 by 3, shooting in this game is shit already, so its a - for me. But seige weapons are gone so im all in for it
What makes you say that? Siege weapons are quite prominent in the movies
Thanks for the comment, really interesting because I have found the polar opposite. I find shooting to be very very powerful. When it comes to regular armies with a 1/3rd bows like a Gondor or a Rivendell I think it has a good level of impact on the game. However when its a 50% shooting Harad army, or a 1/3rd cross bow uruk horde it can be wildly to powerful. So I think the 3x3 would help tone those armies down significantly