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Rhoda - S01E06 - Pop Goes The Question
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 เม.ย. 2012
- Joe pops the question, but it's not exactly the one Rhoda wants to hear. Instead of "Will you marry me?" it's "How about living together?"
Writers:
Norman Barasch, Carroll Moore
Director:
Robert Moore
Air Date:
October 14, 1974
I got a little teary eyed at the end of this because Mary and Rhoda were America's sweethearts. Personally I was always in love with Rhoda. Now they're both gone. God bless them.
I’m teary eyed as well it just ended what a good show and that was sweet what you wrote!
@@Lifeafterthedarknarcmy husband didn't propose he was drinking at a cookout and his cousin czme up and Saud I heard you all were getting married..It was the first I heard of it he had told everyone but me.We had been together 4 years at that point so yes we got married it lasted 35 years and he is still my best friend.
i love how brenda says "wow! " so cute. always loved her!
Julie K. "Brenda" is the only person who can say "Wow!" without it setting my teeth on edge.
Sounds like Marge Simpson lol
I watch these just for the background noise. The 70s might have been a tumultuous time for families but being transported back into your childhood is so comforting sometimes
2023 said hold my purse
@@thesilentdivaI think she means that the world changed so fast. In 5-7 years we went from a gleaming city to urban decay, everyone was being uprooted as cities across America began to die and beautiful neighborhoods became slums, covered in graffiti urban decay and broken dreams as the economy tanked and more people by the late 70s ran to suburbia and lost the sense of community and safety that they knew and loved. The cities became mean as a war was going on. Those old enough to remember what life was like just a few years prior hello on to the past. Some remained becoming prisoners in their own homes. There was also a war going on and a huge generational gap between parents of the 40s and 50s and their children of the 70s.
She really is beautiful. I love her in anything. There will never be another like her.
The acting was so much better back then. Really authentic.
Agreed.
100%
Rhoda wardrobe is Timeless...I love it
Rhoda deserved so much more!!
You said it! Rhoda was the best! Joe....eh, distinctly mediocre.
She deserved a well thought out proposal and a real offer of marriage and Love.
This is such a Great TV Show older tv shows were so much better than stuff from today
A woman with a sense of humor is a great thing.
R.I.P Valerie. Forever loved and remembered. Rhoda was my favorite part of MTM and I've rewatched the Rhoda show so many times. As one Valerie to another I will truly miss you.
I loved this show, but I always loved Valerie herself. So much so that I named my first daughter after her..RIP.😢😢
How sweet...
Yes very dear and sweet. RIP
@@Kay-12345 l
Just a nice fun Jewish sitcom....Yah.
You named your daughter Rhoda, huh? 😏😏😏
I think the writers should have written a script where Joe was genuinely in love with and interested in marrying Rhoda. A nice romantic setting where Joe proposes on his own would have been better.
I agree. I think the writers rushed into things too much and spoilt it.
Yeah that "proposal" was cringe
Joe never really wanted to marry Rhoda. He was okay with living together, but that was it. Rhoda pushed him into getting married. Joe started to feel uncomfortable and unhappy very soon after they got married. It got steadily worse, until they ended up getting divorced.
Canceled.😢
I wish Brenda had more story lines she's my favourite
She's really funny...
Yes, I agree. Brenda had the funniest lines, and great natural delivery. I always thought the others were too self-conscious, waiting for the laughs, but Brenda seemed like a real person.
And she's not fat!
I was just a kid when I loved and watched this show but I never really warmed to Joe, now I know why! 😂😂
Mmmm…….I know......
There is something scary about him. Like Anthony Quinn. I always felt he would be a wife beater or something along those lines. He is handsome and all but he has always made me feel uneasy. Especially his quick temper . The way he called her manipulative etc in the start would have sent me the opposite direction with no chance for more dates. He is emotionally abusive as Joe. Too cold, too touchy, too everything.
I was too little to remember the story lines but def remember this show being on !!! I don’t remember joe but now reintroduced to the show again I don’t care for him , his character is not a warm sensitive type
Love Valerie Harper, what a lady, RIP Valerie
"She won't be able to hear every word between the breakers. Maybe I ought to take her to Niagara Falls." I love Martin.
Rhoda's parents also played on Golden Girls as Miles and Angela
@Diane Newman
What does that mean?
That’s where I recognize him from. I’ve been wracking my brain. Thank you 😊
ohhhhhhhhhh, Thanks!
always loved brendas apartment another great episode
I always thought it was so colorful and whimsical! Mary's apartment was my 1st TV love with that huge, beautiful window, but Brenda's comes right after that because of the coziness factor. The funny thing is that there's a trend going on in NYC currently regarding "micro-apartments" where they're like 300 sq. ft. and under so what was considered a tiny place back then like Brenda's would probably be considered REALLY spacious and roomy in comparison! Wonder how much an apt like hers would go for now in the insane NY real estate world.
I loved Rhoda back in the day
When I see the old stoves and refrigerators I get nostalgic.I wonder how those small fridges worked for out large family
Joe's face either looks like Tom Jones or James Caan.
I knew he reminded me of someone and that's it! Kind of a combination of both Tom Jones and James Caan.
@@KLHKLH YES
Kevin Oshiro Yea I Used to wonder if he was related to those guys too.
I'm sure they had Caan in mind. Sexy, not pretty, Jewish.
LOL, YES!!!
This episode always bothers me..she had to beg Joe to get married. Then the marriage was always so driven by Joe's preferences...it really saddened me to see her independent spirit get squashed. I can't even watch season 3 with the break up. I skip season 2 before the end and all the fighting over to season 4 when Rhoda is herself again.
I think they're just talking it through. When she came into the apartment, she was there to live with him. She pretty much sprung the marriage thing on him. They did make Joe kinda gruff but I thought it was a mistake to cut him out of the show. It all went downhill from there.
@@PaulaJoW agreed👍
R.I.P. Valerie 😢😢😢😢
Such a great episode I love all the actors joe is such a hunk and Rhona so stunning they were a perfect match .. never gets old
So many cute clothes and only two pieces of luggage. Magic.
Why didn't Joe ask Rhoda to move in with him when she was out of work and broke?
Why didn't joe offer to support her?
Why didn't Joe propose?
Rhoda you fool....he didn't deserve you!
It's in the script
Meir Wise ~ The answer to all your whys = because the writers wrote it that way! Actually, during that part of the show, the Joe character did NOT owe the Rhoda character financial support of any type. They were NOT married!
Actually, I think Rhoda blew it... or at least she was honest but they were clearly not really compatible at the time. They wanted different things. The resentment he felt being pressured into marrying her festered and caused his character to get moody. He was really nice to her before they married
I'm looking forward to getting further in the series. I know they get divorced but it seems like a nice guy. I was wondering what happens in the next couple of seasons that ends in them divorcing
Such a meaningful observation.
If she married the hockey player her name would have been Rhoda Rhodes
Lol
Love this show !
I was 4 when this episode aired
I love Rhoda the one liners are awesome
@Moe C. I was 5, I've got a year on you!! I loved Rhoda!!
Julie kavner is becoming one of my favorite actresses.
And she is of course immortalized as the voice of Homer Simpson’s wife Marge! ❤
@@ingridbrandt7710 For Marge, of course, her tower of blue hair and her voice, as well as her green dress, are absolutely iconic.
Rhoda should have gone out with Vic instead of begging Joe to marry her!!!!! Brenda (Julie Kavner) is so funny. If Ida (Nancy Walker) was in this episode she would have talked Rhoda out of moving in with Joe!
Hey, the hockey player was in the film 'Creepshow'! He was the jerky father that didn't want his son reading the horror comics! I knew I recognized that dude.
Tom Atkins - The Fog, Halloween III
@@m1k3ywestley7 #SilverShamrock
David Groh and Valerie Harper did not have tremendously great chemistry together, but the "sea of Rhoda fans" didn't care!
Marriage means commitment
Rhodas adorable!
The mistake of her life, for the Rhoda character,that is.
She could have had wealth,fame and maybe a lifetime,true love or at worst,a big life long payday in case of a divorce.
Instead,she got nothing in the long run,from Joe but years lost and heartache.
Joe never wanted to be married.
He just wanted the looks of it and a kid which he got from first wife,and then only wanted freedom.
His character wasn't hard to figure out,if you watched him closely.
His character had in it the seeds for bringing about the demise of series which it did in the end.
Would have been better if she was interested to a famous hockey player
It's very realistic tho
Sad but true!😔
"Pop Goes the Question" is the 6th episode of Season 1 of Rhoda. Written by Norman Barasch and Carroll Moore, and directed by Robert Moore. First aired on CBS on October 14, 1974.🙂
Today is October 14, 2022.
I can't count how many times I wish It would be a year from before and not such a difficult time in the world. Things SEEMED simpler then.
thanks I really love this show
Always cool to see Mary Richards😘👒
I was a little girl when rhoda came on in the 70's maybe 6 or 7 yrs old but i enjoyed it then sa i do now. And its still sad that they got divorced one of the worst things and saddest things in tv history!
I NEVER FELT MUCH CHEMISTRY BETWEEN THEM.
@@Kashaslove There was definitely a chemistry between the two
I feel you, I was young in the Seventies too and I loved this show. Remember so many episodes.
I was 14. Grew up watching MTM all the time. Always liked Rhoda best.
@@Kashaslovei never did either. Joe was too stuck on Joe and I think he still missed his ex. He tells Rhoda in a later episode well Marian did it this way...
Excellent writing!
In every episode of 'Rhoda' it sounds like there is a seal in the audience!
That is one of the writers.
LMAO facts
How about the way the guy laughs in every show sounds so funny I wonder who the guy is.
James L. Brooks, one of the show's creators. You can also hear him laughing on episodes of Mary Tyler Moore and Taxi.
I was wondering the same thing.lol
They probably play the same recording of canned laughter with every episode.
@@blueeyedbunny I thought it was Carlton the door man laugh. He has that lazy laugh just like his voice
@@gaynorpatterson2915Carlton fake laughs. Socks in air instead of exhaling. Listen real close. The writer laughs real.
Really enjoying. Thanks
I've always liked it too. So Rhoda proposed to Joe just like Darlene did to David on "Roseanne" One big difference between the two...Rhoda isn't pregnant.
02chevyguy if the man doesn’t propose or be motivated to ask her, it won’t last. A man who is really in Iove with a woman goes out of his way to be with that woman. Times didn’t change, assertive women who push themselves on a man is always insecure because they know that man doesn’t feel as strongly for them. If she wanted to be married that’s her standards nothing wrong with that. If he didn’t feel the same way, then they should have broken up. He was married Before and didn’t want to do it again, that’s normal. She begged this man to marry her. The writers should have built up the relationship, they didn’t have to get married so fast. Could have been the 2nd season.
Rhoda dear don't be so desperate...you deserve better guy
Brenda said she's Rhoda's youngest sister, so maybe Debby isn't QUITE forgotten yet!
Nope she's never mentioned by name. You sure they didn't say her younger sister? I think the writers goofed. They goofed a lot here and big time on MTM.
Nancy Walker must not have been available for this episode, which is too bad. I can only imagine Ida's reaction to the news that Rhoda is shacking up with Joe.
And the marriage did not last😣
I watch this show for Brenda & her parents more than for Rhoda, lol. I love Brenda's sweatshirt!
Lovely show...I love the Mary Tyler Moore Show and it's spin-offs. They don't make 'em like that anymore. I can count the number current, quality television shows on my hand. That's not good!
With "Cheers," you had "Frasier (Crane)."
WOMEN, LISTEN TO WISDOM!!! If a man really means business, he will ask to MARRY you. Wait for that
@Old Yeller. Amen!!!
I do not know whether the writers had it in their minds that they would eventually have Rhoda and Joe divorce, but they could not have set it up better. Joe did not want to get married. No marriage in real life could last on such a faulty foundation, so the fact that this fictional marriage ended should not have been a surprise to any viewer at the time.
Claude Slagenhop 7
According to Valerie Harper, the divorce was NOT predetermined; rather it came about to "enhance" the Rhoda character's story line. She said that she would NOT have minded giving the Brenda more singles story line. The Joe character should NOT have been written out & the marriage stand!
The separation then divorce did not surprise me. And I was 11 when this show premiered. I always thought they fought too much. R.I.P. Valerie Harper
Claude Slagenhop Then Joe should have been honest. Just another nervous divorced male, who, God forbid can't commit. Zzzzz Separation is not to date etc. Irs,to spend time alone to see if marriage works.
If you include her vacation to see her family and then meeting him and extending it then they've been dating for a couple months and already decided to be exclusive and as a woman in her 30s I don't know why it bothers me so much that a lot of the comments heredon't think it's okay for a woman to feel weird about just living together if they love each other and want to be together or not see anyone elseyeah they could have dated for longer but there's people who date for a couple years and then if he never wanted to get married againand even here in this episode he said after getting to know each other a little more they would talk about it so that's obviously not the case and she obviously didn't want to not be married for the rest of her life and maybe normal or accepted now to just live together butthere's nothing wrong with marriage either I think she played the single girl long enough on Mary Tyler Moore and they should have just let the marriage go on or played it out a little longer first then done it and stops making her sister who is not fat just younger and different skip her the single life and tips from her older sister I wrote a would have got her happy ending I don't see why they had to split. But getting married natural evolution of a relationship shouldn't be abnormal. at the beginning of the Mary Tyler Moore show they were trying to find their wayaren't going home growing up meeting someone and getting married makes sense I think they made the wrong decision ending it though and they could have dated a little bit longer and not got married until the next to last season. Just some thoughts she never really proposed to him thoughshe just said now that I'm here I don't feel like I can live with you I'm not comfortable with that I want to be but I eventually want to be marriedshe didn't say right now he could have said okay well let's take some more time and but he didn't and already established he didnt want to be separate so... I think the writers messed it up by separating themor even moving too fast but giving him a spin-off definitely would never force people wouldn't have liked the guy who left Rhoda as a singles story...
One can get really creative working in a store. I worked as a sales associate for Boltons. My feet ached all day!
Good for her. Smart woman.
Mary!!!!!
My sister. RIP..worked at boltons in 1979 in New Rochelle
@@Gobi512 I am sorry for your loss. May your sister rest in peace. How long did she work at the store?
Joe was so cute😊
You know maybe Rhoda should have given the hockey player a chance. Might have turned out better for her.
I am working my way through each episode here of RHODA from the First Episode Onward as a lot of you folks are probably doing here with me.
Being a TV & Movie Nut, I just thought I would like to share another TID-BIT of information of the Production of this series with you dear reader, in case no one else has posted this little bit of information here in TH-cam.
The little gem that I would like to share with You this time, is the Fact that the "VOICE" of "CARLTON THE DOORMAN" is the VOICE of the Producer of "RHODA" = "Mr. LORENZO MUSIC".
To my knowledge, "not once" does LORENZO MUSIC appear "on-screen" on any episode of "RHODA"... I am willing to be corrected here, so as I progress through each episode of "RHODA" I will be watching the End-Credits (at the end of each episode of "RHODA") for the Guest Stars names ,for the name "LORENZO MUSIC" to show up. For without LORENZO MUSIC (= The Producer), we may never have gotten to experience this delightful Situation Comedy with Valerie Harper; Julie Kavner ( = alias the Voice of Marge Simpson), David Groh as Joe NANCY WALKER, and all the Guest Stars that show up throughout the series...
He appears on one episode in a taxi, but you only see the back of him in his uniform, he also appears in one where they have a party, and dances, but he is wearing a mask, so you still don't see his face.
He came in one to remove something from their bedroom in the episode when Joe hurt his back really bad. But we couldn't see him either as he was behind this big piece of wood he was carrying.
He also came to a new years eve party. Face down on the bed and danced with an old lady wearing a mask.
@@treasurehunteruk9718twice he was there.
Amazing name: Music. I have never come across anyone with this surname, ever! Ironically, I am currently re-watching the Columbo episodes, from the very beginning. Prescription Murder, then all the others. Mrs Columbo, of course, never appears, but gets LOADS of mentions.
Tom Atkins is still living, age 87.
Mary Richards (Mary Tyler Moore) does a cameo appearance at the end... Cool !
She did another one much later in the season when Rhoda called her wanting to hear Mary, still her best friend, tell her she"doesn't need Joe", in an episode regarding their separation/divorce.
R.I.P.YOU MADE ME SMILE
I loved Rhoda but how pathetic it was that she basically begged this guy to marry her. He was sexy as hell but I really didn't like his character.
She was really pretty, and there must have been millions of men in New York. It would have been nicer to have kept her single and with other men friends, rather than marriage and domesticity.
Serendipitous One Same. He was a loser 😏
@Joshua Swain No, she wanted a more permanent thing, with him.
@@gayled3059 yep she just simply loved him end of story
How great was it to see a Mary! Of course Rhoda’s going to share her news with her best friend 🎉
mary is in her old apartment in this episode when she goes to rhoda's wedding in the second apartment ...just thought id mention
Brenda was right. Something in Rhoda's 1950's background made this a difficult decision. Seems silly by today's standards or at least less complicated.
"Que Sera Sera, what will be, will be." - Doris Day
Rhoda kept running behind Joe, which is the wrong move. He wasn’t into her like she was into him. Did he ask her to live with her because that pro hockey player wanted to date her. She acted desperate for his affection even after they got married. Times didn’t change from thev70’s until now, men are still the same. If you move in with a man, he doesn’t value the woman. He still wants that out to feel single. Most of them don’t commit even after living and having children with the woman. It’s like they think she is not good enough and waiting for something better . That old adage why buy the cow when u get the milk free is true today, just as much as yesterday! Women need to know their worth!
@@christian_person5058
------------- Time, the 19th century ~ had nothing to do with how Rhoda felt. She was raised that The BOND of Marriage is God's rules for a blessed marriage.
At the center is God: a marriage is true love before yourself, one's druthers, although, I am learning quickly most females have very little self worth or any strong esteem about their self.
AND! Living together, as a trial out before a marriage, is just not the same.
I 'know' there's the SAME OL'e double standard, even in today's world.
Sometimes I believe Marriage under the GRACE, sacraments of ~ I Do with God at the center, `` is lost, doesn't last as long as it did -or should be.
Maybe marriage is not really 'right' for the majority, now. Avoid divorce, instead have a great education, your own career, and one's happier life.
I am apparently one one of the more fortunate ones. I do not think that most actually know ........................!!! -WHAT- they want. This went on through Biblical days and remains closely the same.
I don't know...it's not really so silly for a growing number of women out there who are setting new standards and establishing boundaries for themselves that don't necessarily include living with a guy who never ends up putting a ring on their finger and giving them official status as their wife (with all the legal privileges that involve). I've heard of a lot of horror stories of women spending 5-10+ years, some of their best years, with a man they think they have a commitment to, yet the relationship ends with absolutely nothing to show for it. I think living together works out for some couples no doubt, but for many women, it's ended up to be sort of a sad waste of time.
@@RETROGEMSliving together is wrong any way you look at it. When you marry, you become family. Living together is just an easy way to walk away when you get bored. If you dont care enough to truly commit for life then whats the point?
I don't think a woman should EVER have to beg a man to marry her....if a man is truly, genuinely, 100% in love, he will be the one pursuing her, unable to imagine a life without her as his wife. No pleading on her part will have to even remotely be involved. Really don't like how they played out Rhoda's character in this show because she was sweet, creative, elegant and deserved a better onscreen counterpart than Joe, the James Caan wannabe.
I miss when sitcoms were taped in front of a live studio audience
I have only watched a few episodes of Rhoda after finishing MTM show. I somehow feel her energy and natural character appeal wasn’t highlighted or utilised very well in this spin off. Val was such a warm genuine lady from what she portrayed…. a very likeable aunt or fiend I feel in real life. Gorgeous lady and had the most graceful body movements especially with her sculptured hands. Good memories I only wish We had this quality of shows and actors more readily in our current times.
It never made sense when Brenda said she could fix it so "ma" never finds out that Rhoda is going to live with Joe.
Actually, i had to do that with a friend in college. She had a key to my apartment. And if she caught wind that her parents were coming to town, she would move some clothes in and be at my place for that afternoon. It worked really well. We're 51 now..... She married the guy..... And her Mom never figured it out 🤣 having 17 kids to keep track of did help
I wished they didn’t make Rhoda and especially Brenda so needy of guys.
Glorified homeless
That and always talked about food and being fat , stupid writers
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THE GUY IN THE PIC ON THE WALL IS (WITH THE LONG DARK HAIR) AT JOE'S PLACE??
Actually it looks like a woman. The lips are awfully dark, like she's wearing lipstick.
Looks like Laura Nyro
They get married after like 2 minutes and barely knowing each other?? Wow times have changed ....
Anita Luca True! Today people just dog, hunt down, move in , assume.... This,was a mature couple.
I like Joe’s soda
(that is code for OH MY GOODNESSGRACIOUS WHY IS HE NEVER NAKED IN ANY OF THESE EPISODES!!!?!)
A-hem.... where was I .... um .....
Yes, I do like that sofa fabric.
Dr.Derwin also played The Trib's lawyer on Lou Grant.
Joe loved her enough to ask her to move in when she wanted more
commitment, and understood how important marriage was to her - and was
ok with that. i think its trash that they wrote her out, and the show
obviously suffered for it since they lost viewers once they split then
got divorced. i love their chemistry! it actually makes me want to not
watch anything beyond the first two seasons
I always like Mary Tyler Moore. She always wore the prettiest clothes. Rhoda look great after she lost the weight. I always love how she dress. I crazy about her scarf on her head.
Joe was a jerk.
Overreactive, and ultimately... emotionally unavailable, then dumping Rhoda.
I wish he said those words az 2017
so cute . I like morals
Tom Atkins from The Fog, Halloween III, etc.
Brenda and all her palazzo pants. Wish I could wear them but I'm too short. I wish they had let her wear a nicer top with them.
Their mother was my first guess!
So, keeping with this story line that Rhoda more or less coerced Joe into marriage and they later get divorced - what’s the verdict people - should a couple live together first?
No
The moral of the story is don't ignore red flags and don't force anything!
@@StrongnBeautiful So they probably should have dated and kept their own apartments, until they were sure, like normal people do!
That Vic Rhodes guy is cute...and probably would have been tons better to Rhoda than Joe ever was. I don't know why Rhoda was so obsessed with Joe. She should have taken longer to know him, and to find out why he divorced before. Couples didn't live together without being married very much during the 1970s, not even during 1979. Mainly it was the young hippie type couples who did.
Omg Thats Tom Atkins!!! Dr. Challis drom Halloween 3 , Night Of The Creeps, Creepshow, Two Evil Eyes to name a few.
Rhoda should never have proposed to him. Never.
Marriage is honorable. Not married but living together is not. So says Hebrews 13.
@Old Blackstock. Amen!!!
I think that Chuck Norris would have made a great mate for Rhoda. Just because of the actor himself.
Rhoda deserve better they rushed into it
Vic Rhodes is with Rhoda as she does the display window ! thanks
I don't care how much a women feels like its her right to pop the question to the man actually I find it a bit desperate...phatic ...etc ...I find so much wrong with this now it makes sence why Joe always seem to love Rhoda a lil bit less then she loved him and why he's the one that walked out on their marriage...as I re-watch this retro show it all coming back to me
her and joe rushed into marriage
Vic seems like a better fit than Joe.....
She was caught between women's lib and her old time values. Their relationship was doomed...never marry a divorced man, they are very scarred and pushing them makes it worse...I know.
Sir Tom Jones!
Personally, I liked Valerie Harper better than MTM.
I WAS VERY ULSET WHRN SHE DIED.REIP to all deceased actors from MTM & RHODA
SHOWS.
Who else is here because of Will and Grace?
No one.
Joe would have been mad cuz I would have gone on that date.... And still kept him too. No shade
Don't wait on a man (or a woman) ppl .... Life short
💯
❤
I think Rhoda and Joe rush into
jennifer holzman Actually, back then, mature career women were told, " if he can't ask after 6 months , then go".
Mary seems kind old in this episode...