Saturation Is Killing Your Mix
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, we’re breaking down how too much saturation might be ruining your mix.
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In this video, we're tackling a big issue that many music makers face. If you want to add extra harmonics, grit or warmth to your sounds (like drums, piano, percussion or synths) you use saturation (also distortion). However, since we cannot create these harmonics out of thin air - these come at a cost. Saturation will compress your signal, bringing the loudest and quietest peaks together (lowering your dynamic range).
It will glue your sounds together, but you will lose the punchiness and precious dynamics. We've got a cool method that works with FL Studio and Ableton, that will enable you to recover the lost dynamics and pre-saturated shape of your waveform. It will get you the warmth without losing the dynamics you need to e.g. make your drums CUT through the mix.
You can use this technique for every element like drums, piano, plucks, tonal one-shots, vocals, and for every genre, such as dubstep, progressive house, future house, drum and bass, hip-hop, RnB, bass house, deep house, hard trap & many more!
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I like to mix all my drums in separate channels because of this. Keeping the dynamics, smashing the drums
think this is the most valuable thing i ever learned
I saw this but I didn't pay attention to it. Thanks for the plug Max
Great tutorial well done!! Processing the punch of the drum with its dynamics whilst balance the saturation on another chain.
I feel that parallel processing and compression would also be an option.
love the style of this video bro! Great information!
I wanna thank you so much for this video, literally a game changer when it comes to mixing
THETRS NO SET RULES IN MUSIC PRODUCTION.
IF YOU THINK THETES RULES ULL NEVER FINISH OR MAKE MUSIC.
THESE TH-camRS WHO SAY...
"YOU NEED TO DO THIS AND THAT USING THESE SAME EXACT SETTINGS" are crazy because music is an art.
The only answer!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! Thank you - I can't tell you how much this has helped me!! Amazing!!
I love and respect your work, bro 💕💕
I like how this Channel always talks about The true and sauce that nobody wants to share
came over from the email newsletter. Thanks for all the value
Such a great and simple concept because I understand the tools. I just would never thought of this because my immediate reaction is just to add transient shaper after distortion 😅 This video opens up more possibilities 🔥
Parallel processing is the way to get the best of both worlds.
@@terenceblack3724 Thanks Terence, but Parallel processing won't give you the same results - try for yourself! :)
OOF dude, you're a genius I never thought of doing that😭
bruh if you dont wanna kill your dynamic range dont use decapitator with the punish button lmao thats psycho
Actually, that doesn't matter if you use Punish or not. It's just intensifying. If I didn't use Punish, to get the same distortion effect I would need to go higher in Drive. If I just turned it off - it wouldn't distort the sound as I want it to do.
Thank you Mr. Dr. Sr. Maxamillion for spreading your knowledge upon us 🙏 🗣
I feel like this is what I've been looking for, but I am a logic user. By chance would you know of a way to do this in Logic? Thanks!
Bro, Do 1 more!!!
You Genius. Thank You!
That's dope bro, gonna try this 🔥🔥🔥
Hell yeah, I used a similar technique, but it was a pain in the ass. That's goated
Make a video on the creative ways you’ve used envelope follower, please! That would help tons!
isn't this just a difficult way of doing parallel Saturation?
Tried and tested, this works different - try it out!
Kinda looks like it.
Not the same. Parallel saturation is the combination of dry and wet (saturated and not saturated). Harmonic from saturation is reduced.. Method from this video: all wet saturated signal with no dry signal. Then volume automation to mimic the shape of dry signal’s dynamic. You get full harmonic from the saturation (bcs 100% wet saturated signal) and the volume automation afterwards add dynamic
No not at all lol
I thought the same til I watched the video through. It's an even saturation of the whole dynamic range. It's like using a potato pealer instead of chopping the potato skin off with a knife.
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man rlly out here makin stock plugins
fl studio, hire this man
Sick! Everything you post is very useful Max!
Thank you for this!
thank u for the knowledge!
I needed this.🔥
Your method makes the overall mix more quite because of the lower headroom which is not particularly bad but in the club for example you need a loud a mix or your track just sound weak. Keyword loudness war.
That's a great point - we solve that when mastering, specifically when applying multiband compression.
@@theMixElite But if you do that, you'll still be in some way turning the drums down to reduce the peaks, which the saturation is doing.
It's not even hard to be competitively loud these days. Pretty much every streaming service normalizes the sh*t out of tracks. You're probably just killing your mix if you're mastering past -6 LUFS these days. The loudness wars finally feel like they're coming to an end.
Für ein guten Vergleich hätte ich mir Gain matiching gewünscht - wenn ich es richtig gesehen habe sind es locker 4 dB unterschied da klingt es natürlich „besser“
thanks man! really thanks u a god
Very interesting approach! by chance, do you know if this technique can be applied in Reaper? Because I find it to be more stable than Ableton for big mixing projects
trop coooool ! thannnnks
I don't understand it, but was able to recreate it. It works like magic. First of all, WTF?? Secondly, thank you...
Haha awesome!!
@@theMixElite Swear to god, I'll replay it however many times I need to, in order to understand it better. Thanks again for sharing that!!
@@theMixElite Thank you! This is fantastic info!
Awesome lesson
In the Drums... In the Sub in the Basses in everything in general in the instrumental I put a Saturation and a Limiter when mixing. Everything is full but easy to mix. it just makes mastering a little complicated
Great channel
It's been a while since I've seen a full tutorial.
I bought "Mix Elite - FL Studio Patcher Presets - Lords Vol. 1" and it does not have a dynamic saturator, everything I needed was in the free version of the preset pack. In fact, I bought the complete pack for this video but it doesn't have it, I see that it doesn't have it. the dynamic saturator :(
Oh wow that’s amazing
yeh oversaturation can kill your impact, cool trick
i often just use multiband distortion to avoid making the drums sound hollow, cause they can begin sounding boxy if i use single band saturation
Can you do the same video on saturation and vocals? Appreciate it
why is there so much hate by people who obviously have no clue what they're talking about, keep up the great work, amazing tutorial!
How would you do this on Logic Pro X ?
hey max, hope u doing great. Is their any easy way to create edm melody (drop part) ?
How can this be done in Logic? Very interesting btw
I love this video! Yet I do not see this preset in the Patcher Lords Preset pack, the free version or the pain version :(
It's because I just added it in - please download it again through mixelite.com/free/?f=lords/ - or contact us through Live Chat :)
Its just louder. The saturated signal is quieter, clearly visible in the waveform.
Do you mean perceived loudness? The peak waveform doesn't equal loudness.
Anyways that's exactly what we were looking for to do in this video - to bring back the dynamics from the original sample on the distorted one that's squashed (and has lower peaks)
What if i just out saturation and then just low the volume?? 🥺 ugh this is why i hate mixing, for god sake i just wanted to be a singer and now im here
would the transient processor work as well?
In ableton do you have to set the volume of first chain 'envelope follower' set at zero (mute)? cause you said mute the volume. but if you see 3:20 the volume is back to normal.
Thats called a compander , melda Msaturator wich is free does the same
I spent waaaay too much time with MSaturator and for the love of God I couldn't make it give me 1% of the result that we do with the technique here. Please hit me up with a before and after if you can at max@mixelite.com
Just use a clipper! It’ll push your ceiling and chop the peaks.
Sending a parallel chain or using sends… splitting the signal, whatever is always a great way to color your mix but this is a long road to something easily fixable with a saturator- turn on soft clip. Or a dedicated clipping device like eventide saturate.
I get my mixes to -2/-1 lufs with clean transients
-1 lufs lmfao. Must sound like sheiit
@@vandpibenI’m sure it does if you do it.
Hi, what is the difference between this and simply turning up the output gain after applying decapitator?
You just make it louder - that doesn't change the character of the audio.
What about saturating 808s? DO i do this exact thing there too? my dums are on their own mixer channel together except the 808. The 808 is always separate. With the kick sidechaining to the 808 and sometimes to the melody. Also i tend to use patcher for 1k crusher and i cant add that as another patcher within patcher
What i do is use an envelope follower or just get the distorting/saturation i want then turn down the mix/wet knob. if you want to take it step further you can use patcher sends so you have the best of both worlds, that can be more creative. idk if that helps lol cheers
Great Video but I can't find the dynamic saturator patch in the lords pack or the link in the comments Thanks.
or just use the distortion as parallel channelwith the volume of your liking
Tried and tested, this works different - try it out!
yup and if too much, just sidechain the disto with the signal you are working on. Similar as sidechained reverb trick.
I would just use attack and release on the compressor?
Although I do think this was a nice way of doing parallel compression.
I have a question "Some sound made in synth which replicates real life instrument such as guitar in serum, such sound is kind of too hard hitting so how to make it bit more subtle and pleasing to hear"
Transient processor!!!
Its neva a gud idea 2 put saturation on instrument its only effective on drums limiter fl stock plugin wit -0.3 db of saturation works perfectly fine
Is there a more elegant way to go about this? I am using cubase also, so I dont see how I pull this off there
how to setup channel strip like u? can see all plugin of the channel. if i want to see it i need to click it per channel
I have a better trick use formula controller after peak follower with min(a,0.8) then to fruity balance which will be connected to your distortion plugin we have to make sure it's 0.8 beacuse that's how fl studio maps gains at 0db kinda stupid I know but I guess thats how they wanted it beacuse value can go more than 100% in fruity balance.😉
but i want no dynamics 😢
I noticed his voice went with the beat in the beginning.
FINALLY haha :)
What about maximizing the dynamics knob on saturn? Is that the same as this?
What happened to "FL Tips" ?
Since you're evolving as a music producer - we also evolve - to give you our best :)
How did you do this so you see the effects in the bottom in the mixer
Extra Large view in the Mixer :)
thx@@theMixElite
I started producing 5 years ago with your FL Beginners course, but I gotta be honest. This ain’t it. Producers - you’ll be way better off in the long run if you go study harmonics. Take what you learn and apply it to bus processing. Yes it takes time. It involves diagrams and reading. It will probably feel like school. But understanding how even/odd harmonics and aliasing affect your signal will take you further than blindly saturating.
Mastering the craft is a journey, but so is developing your own unique sound. Be wary of shortcuts. You might miss something great along the way.
Naaaah we'll stick to tutorials
GOAT !!!!
You are going to remove those peaks with a limiter in mastering anyway
What you're really looking for is a Compander. MSaturator can do this whole process in one go.
How would one do this in pro tools
Maybe I'm missing something but decapitator wasn't on when you did before after demonstration
Yes, because we compare 3 versions:
1. Without any distortion (before)
2. With our today's patch (after)
3. With ONLY distortion (only distortion)
can you name me a good free alternative to decapitor please?
Saturation knob from softube
and what about a good free plgin alternative to Romeros Kickstart 2 .D?@@theMixElite
meer kopen in winkels mochelijk word zo dat dan ook kans heb dingen aan te schaven ?
Do you have a video on how to Mix Vocals?
Of course - check our channel library :)
These things have to be said. Too many folks (rookies and others) making this mistake and TH-cam is filthy with it. It's in the Top-5 list of "reasons to hit the [Next] button". 🤣
When it get to the way you show distortion its obviously to much, and best to use a distortion that also has a texture setting and built in EQ and Amount knob. Im a Reason user and I find there Scream 4 distortion to work very well, I like tube setting for Hiphop and DnB for a nice kick and claps, and Hi hats. This used with a EQ that has a peak boost where the kick sits and another for claps and hats is best. A compressor is optional not always necessary and finally make sure the Kick and Bass are not sitting at the same EQ frequency. My drums slap pretty hard.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Distortion/warmth/grit is more sort of a creative process - and the fact that saturation also compresses the sound - today's technique is rather a solution to the technical limitations of applying distortion. Whether it's "too much" it always depends on the sound we're looking to get!
@@theMixElite Hard cut brick walling is what you did with that distortion to begin with, do people really do that? I haven't made that mistake for about 15 years.
Its common for this genre. Its not a mistake.@@HOLLASOUNDS
sounds more distorted instead saturated...
Can you do this on a bus and keep the og drums going to the master
How do you do this in protools?
How to do the same on reaper ?
if we avoid using a drum loop and i
Couldn't you just send the drums to a second channel, unlink the first one to the master and use Peak Controller normally?
Parallel Saturation?
SOS tremendo!
fuxkkkk too good
Can Logic do this ?????!!
How do I implement this in FL studio mobile bra
Exactly, the pre-Sat drums were clearly more effective - cutting the mix - than when splaturated when they became a smashed blob.
The final sound is brighter from overtones but not actually as sharp and clear as when clean. BUUUT I know everyone only wants things that sound messed-up so...
Yeah. It's kind of weird. He used way too much saturation, which is pretty much like smashing the drums with a compressor then he basically use a plugin to automate the volume back even louder than the drums were originally. It's kind of like he's shooting himself in the foot. The reason for the saturation is to reduce the peaks while increasing the density of the drums.
what about maximus tho
link doesnt work
Works on our end - what do you see?
I'm gonna take a guess and say that his will be about transients and how saturation will ruine them, creating a wall of sound and drums that actually hit way weaker.
Still find it hilarious that so many producers will tell you to put a soft clipper onto the master when it's one of the biggest mistakes you can make.
Close! :D
Can you elaborate why putting s soft clipper on the master "is one of the big mistakes you can make"?
@@restaurangebola1689 I think it's more sort of like - slapping a soft clipper (as a solution for a poor mix) might just end up messing up your mix. Mistake might come from misunderstanding of what a soft clipper does or from applying it just because other producers do it. It should be a CREATIVE decision rather than a "default step".
@@theMixElite right, makes sense. Isn't it for making a mix seemingly louder?
I almost never put a compressor on drums, EQ frequency away from the Bass, Saturation device that blends the dry signal with the wet is better then replacing.
Compander effect shown in this video
could you not just add a clipper
Wouldn't a clipper distort only or mostly the transients
So almost like a compander.. interesting
You’re way overthinking this
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Fun fact:
When you select the proper sounding drum kit, that cuts through in the first place - you won't be needing this as much.
As in: stop choosing the drum sounds you like, use those that complement the track.
I'm hating that hihat for example, especially saturated.
Pitch it down and watch the wonder 😊
My 2¢