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  • @Counterpoints
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    • @bogdangabrielonete3467
      @bogdangabrielonete3467 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just one more thing I wanted to point out that we all missed. When the Chaplain shoots the DG who tried to shot Kazarion and he dodged, Raphael actually shoots his entire hand off, along with his gun. By the time Kazarion cuts off his other arm, that DG was already disarmed once, and now twice. Bloke can't get a break :^))

    • @nemiw4429
      @nemiw4429 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolute disgusting behavior. Not including the source in the description, nor pinned comment. As max disrespect: start the video in a way the name, nor the URL is visible. Im not even a WH fan, but exactly ur stealing, thug behavior results in actions taken against comunities (by GW, or any brand).

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nemiw4429 it’s in the description you idiot

  • @JohnnyFiction
    @JohnnyFiction ปีที่แล้ว +773

    While this was a great cinematic, I'm shocked at how far ahead the ASTARTES shorts were, even today, not only in aesthetic, but sound and action as well.

    • @loganross1861
      @loganross1861 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Astartes is the best piece of sci-fi/Fantasy I’ve seen, period. It’s peerless. I’m very open and would love to know what else is out there, but seriously can’t think of anything in the same league.

    • @Issblodh
      @Issblodh ปีที่แล้ว +40

      That’s what happens if you don’t have execs breathing down the artists necks with useless advice, deadlines, plot changes, and whatnot.

    • @DOProductionsNL
      @DOProductionsNL ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Astartes managed to make me feel something close Transhuman Dread in the way it depicted the sheer brutality, speed and cunning of Space Marines. No other cinematic has yet achieved that. Leagues ahead.

    • @tsoliot5913
      @tsoliot5913 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is it even that old?

    • @ROIBR
      @ROIBR ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well you cant really compare it, can you. Totally different Art Style and Story telling.
      Angels of Death was made from the Guy that made Helsreach. He got a Deal with GW as we all know.
      So i think its also very very Good both of them. Helsreach Style was, cause that Guy was a Newbie to Animations etc. He kept his Artstyle although improved with a Team on Angels of Death. Its just plain different than Astartes and has definetly its Charm!
      Astartes was single minded on Visuals and Sound. Not much of Story telling compared when it comes to Voicelines. It plays with your imaginaion. Although a Masterpiece, of course ^^

  • @byronritchie5449
    @byronritchie5449 ปีที่แล้ว +511

    I like how Raphael understands that many loyalists are quite capable of damning themselves but rather then use fear (at least not entirely) he actually inspires them to be loyal

    • @BeKindToBirds
      @BeKindToBirds ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I think this is up there with helsreach in terms of portrayal of chaplains.
      You can really imagine being an Astartes with a chaplain teaching you the lore of your blood.

  • @EmperorsWrath
    @EmperorsWrath ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This is easily one of the best Warhammer animations I’ve ever seen, visually and narratively. I especially like the chaotic shaking around Kazarion when the Plague Marines are approaching. Great horde and champion battle story overall.

    • @zakikong3210
      @zakikong3210 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same! Thats the first thing i noticed too, animations was very polished and intricately detailed and movements of the marines were smooth and can i say natural like

  • @ambientlightofdarknesss4245
    @ambientlightofdarknesss4245 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm so glad they gave up the white black and red color pallette. It was literally an eyesore to watch. Muted colors with the reds accenuated is a MUCH better sight to look at.
    Also gives the scene more contrast.

    • @thorinhannahs4614
      @thorinhannahs4614 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree but it is still off putting for me.

  • @karldehaut
    @karldehaut ปีที่แล้ว +16

    In fact Raphael acts as his Primarch. It was Horus who discovered the curse of black rage when he overheard Sanguinus delivering the deathblow to one of his children. Sanguinus begged him not to say anything. He probably feared to suffer the fate of the II and XI legions. That's how this episode sends us back to 40k lore. Blood Angels and Dark Angels will do anything to cover up their secrets...

    • @reddeath4806
      @reddeath4806 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You're thinking of the Red Thirst, the Black Rage became a thing after Horus slew Sanguinius.

    • @ironduke5058
      @ironduke5058 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@reddeath4806You sure? I'm certain the rage was a thing, just not as prominent. I know the excerpt he's talking about and the marine attacks Sanguinius screaming and raving mad. He attacks his own Primarch. I'm not sure the thirst gives that levels of rage.

    • @tyrantsquirrel575
      @tyrantsquirrel575 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The black rage is the psychic wound that affected all blood angels when Sanguinius died. He was a highly psychic primarch, and Horus used immense psychic torture on him both in the run up to and during their battle.
      Think some of the recent novels have messed up the lore a bit over time. Hate this idea of fatalism over cause and effect with a lot of the legions

    • @reddeath4806
      @reddeath4806 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ironduke5058 The Red Thirst is really similar to the Black Rage in that when a Blood Angel goes over the edge, there's almost no chance of coming back, they'll be formed into a Death Company or locked away forever. The difference is that there's a way to stave off the Thirst, via drinking blood. Another difference is that when one succumbs to the Red Thirst, instead of raving on about being Sanguinius and everyone around you being Horus, you instead pretty much turn into a vampire whose only thought is drinking blood of your enemies.
      The story you're thinking of was Sanguinius killing one of his sons who succumbed to the Red Thirst, I believe it's from the novel, "Fear to Tread".

    • @sam93931
      @sam93931 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you're speaking of the Red Thirst as pointing by others, black rage came much later, when the Primarch was slain.

  • @mostcomplicatedman8115
    @mostcomplicatedman8115 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i love the lore accurate detail of parry with the pauldron . astartes are trained to deflect projectiles with their paudron/shoulder guard

  • @rockkiller124
    @rockkiller124 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hope Wh+ produce more stuffs like this, this was pure quality.

  • @thepiratepenguin4465
    @thepiratepenguin4465 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:52 "When in doubt, frag out"

  • @venerablebrothergoriate5844
    @venerablebrothergoriate5844 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Albia also supplied a large number of recruits to the Storm Walkers, the predecessors of the Iron Hands

  • @Dreadspark_
    @Dreadspark_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love listening to lore on 40k. I believe I heard somewhere that nurgle and related forces have kinda a big brother mentality when it comes to defending their weaker forces and exacting retribution for what they perceive as cruelty after all they are bringing nothing but 'gifts'. I think the starting scene when the space marine with the skull helm crushes the fly could be seen both as a rejection of the blessings of pestilence and blatant provocation. It was a really great scene.

  • @DeadGothicRed
    @DeadGothicRed ปีที่แล้ว

    You ever stop to think that in Warhammer 40k you have all these elite units like the Tempestus Scions, just absolute hell and fuckery with their training and then they get wiped out by anything. Same thing with Space Marines, the trials and pain and suffering they go through just to be killed off on their first mission.

  • @masongrae5010
    @masongrae5010 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually love the hammer and bolted animation like if they toned it down a bit even it would feel almost like an animated comic series which would be amazing with how they rendered their models

  • @richardseaton1570
    @richardseaton1570 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is justification for the Death Guard being so inaccurate, as their gifts of Nurgle are (with some exceptions) not actually able to let them recover or endure more. They're still just as afflicted, if not more, but they simply don't feel the pains or sensations of their bodies.
    Not only considerably functionally impaired by all the afflictions they carry, they lack great extents of sensory feedback.
    While this in many ways might help a person fight past bad wounds, a total lack of sensation or pain response is actually quite harmful and a hinderance to most activities, including combat.
    Yeah they can probably take bigger hits than anyone out there and keep composure, but they aren't gonna be too good at fighting back.

  • @wiggy5209
    @wiggy5209 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh absolutely! When they provide the money, workforce and time to an animation to make animation improvement within a decent timeframe ..they are to be commended ....
    It shows an improvement somewhere and hopefully that improvement encourages more viewership and money for the animators ....
    However we have to remember how they took an Astartes sequel away because of this and stunted community freedoms ...
    Instead of subscribing to a service I would rather be able to purchase seperate collections or individual videos ... Just to have them in my collection..sent on memory sticks that increase in price dependant on the GB required ..able to watch them whenever ...forever ...

  • @Alrip287
    @Alrip287 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sound design is extremely good too, before the chainswords sounded like lawnmowers.

  • @charlesgarber5911
    @charlesgarber5911 ปีที่แล้ว

    Comments for the comment gods! I'm new to WH40K, so my understanding is preliminary, but I loved seeing the Astartes in a semi-realistic medium. For what little I know about the Blood Angels, you could sense the disillusionment of the younger Astarte when he acknowledged the reality. Very cool and I can't wait to see & learn more about this series!

  • @keeptheflapshut8594
    @keeptheflapshut8594 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not gonna lie , it’s finally nice to see one space marine able to toss another in power armour like it’s a hay bail lol

  • @nicoreuel2092
    @nicoreuel2092 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m not built for the 40k world. The whole time I’m worried about his one heart and how long it can maintain such a large body.

  • @misanthropicservitorofmars2116
    @misanthropicservitorofmars2116 ปีที่แล้ว

    The plague marines just chillin, napping in sewage and viscera is exactly what they should be doing. Also the recommendation to take them in blade to blade combat. Bad idea homie.

  • @micksmith1812
    @micksmith1812 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don’t really know a lot about 40k so why is that guy wearing a skull mask rather than a normal helmet?

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chaplain. He’s a spiritual leader

  • @spartakos94
    @spartakos94 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Blood i am Born, in Blood i am Honored, in Blood i am Armored, in Blood do i Endure.

  • @BelisariusAlKhwarizmi
    @BelisariusAlKhwarizmi ปีที่แล้ว

    The Iron Warriors' run-in with the Hrud shows us that Astartes can indeed die of old age

    • @someidiotnamedtricks6397
      @someidiotnamedtricks6397 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well, having your entire body aged up thousands of years in the span of seconds would probably kill just about everyone lmao... Aside from like primarchs given we've seen lion barely age and he wasn't under stasis

  • @brian_unx
    @brian_unx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Animation is great, not as good as Astartes, but pretty close. Sound and voice effects were on the weaker side, except Lucretius who actually sounded believable. Story writing was pretty good as well, very blood angels but it was still interesting and it was a good move to have the viewer get to know the two marines in this manner as they made their way through the various areas.

  • @tresteg77
    @tresteg77 ปีที่แล้ว

    they seem so sluggish next to astartes. where Astartes showed what space marines should look and feel like, these feal like the "ultramarines" movie astartes, slow and not very super human

  • @the_9ent
    @the_9ent ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely love this 💯

  • @seanclary8641
    @seanclary8641 ปีที่แล้ว

    how to tell someone was in the middle east without them saying it "canoe shaped hole in the head"
    when canoed took a whole new meaning.....about boating, yea youtube, im talking about boating

  • @pittraider1221
    @pittraider1221 ปีที่แล้ว

    The liquid physics could have been alot better but apart from that it was pretty good

  • @MCristian1988
    @MCristian1988 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How was his primary heart shot? It wasn't even close to it...

  • @Czejenesku
    @Czejenesku ปีที่แล้ว

    I think they are giving some people more time, we still havent got anything from the Astartes guy.

  • @elitedangerous7591
    @elitedangerous7591 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Someone show fatsharks, plague marines in Darktide are so many ppls wet dreams.

  • @rainforcer1
    @rainforcer1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude LITERALLY disarmed a death guard by cutting his arm hahaha 🤣😂

  • @BitcoinMoonShot
    @BitcoinMoonShot ปีที่แล้ว +231

    "Fervour requires no forgiveness if it is tempered with discipline."
    Fucking Based.

    • @mohammadalirashed3103
      @mohammadalirashed3103 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Can you explain what that means?

    • @travzac619
      @travzac619 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A very wise and good quote to live by guaranteed.

    • @BitcoinMoonShot
      @BitcoinMoonShot ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mohammadalirashed3103 Tyberos the Carcharodon Chapter Master known as "The Red Wake" can explain it for me. "-"

    • @Leisurelee53
      @Leisurelee53 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      ​@mohammadalirashed3103 it is not a sin to commit to something.
      If what you commit to is restrained by a code.
      A killer can be skillful, intelligent, perfect. But if all of those actions are driven by a motive of evil . Selfishness, anger, unchained emotion, which is zeal. Than it is useless.
      Control is all that separates men from beasts.

    • @mohammadalirashed3103
      @mohammadalirashed3103 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ah makes sense, cheers

  • @Emperor-Justinius
    @Emperor-Justinius ปีที่แล้ว +415

    The Astartes creator nailed Space Marines even better than this, his depiction of them was fast, furious, accurate and strong. Their movements were crisp and precise, nothing sluggish about them. Astartes has done one of the best jobs ever seen, getting close to the lore.

    • @antejukic2249
      @antejukic2249 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ON POINT!

    • @DaroriDerEinzige
      @DaroriDerEinzige ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah but now we can pay GW even more money, isn't that great?

    • @Thabooka
      @Thabooka ปีที่แล้ว +29

      yeah Boylan (Angels of death director) says he thinks of space marines as walking slow moving tanks - which is contrary to lore of space marines - maybe to eldar but to everyone else they aew fast and swift - like in astartes

    • @hrishikeshgogoi8734
      @hrishikeshgogoi8734 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where can i watch astartes?

    • @Emperor-Justinius
      @Emperor-Justinius ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hrishikeshgogoi8734 it is still on youtube from various accounts, search it up

  • @nah_bro_really
    @nah_bro_really ปีที่แล้ว +317

    They've finally figured out some of the animation tricks and techniques that made Astartes pop. So much better than the early animations!

    • @dildoswaggins2907
      @dildoswaggins2907 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only watched this now. Much much better 👍

    • @stevenbetter4255
      @stevenbetter4255 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This actually looks like the team that made Astartes!

    • @bongodrumzz
      @bongodrumzz ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's because Syama now works for games workshop .........

    • @sasquatchhadarock968
      @sasquatchhadarock968 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why encourage your fans to be personally invested when you can just coerce them to work for you

    • @dildoswaggins2907
      @dildoswaggins2907 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also I’m pretty sure the angels of death stuff is from Richard boylan who did helsreach. A lot of the initial sound assets were from his screen play. If you haven’t watched it I suggest you give it a go, very well done adaptation

  • @mauganra2589
    @mauganra2589 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    It will still never cease to amaze me that one man managed to create the best piece of war hammer animation I’ve ever seen. They should’ve just given him money and said do whatever you want, it would automatically be solid gold and something people would pay for.

    • @nathancawley8759
      @nathancawley8759 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      This is true, but the shot-callers and bean counters at GW will never do that. They want fans to praise "Games Workshop animations" as opposed to any individual animator. Also there's a substantial amount of malicious greed involved. They want to be the only ones making money on 40k, even if it means that they will make less overall, as long as only GW gets paid from 40K. Their animators get a low budget and a tight deadline as opposed to huge bonuses and public praise. This is why I can never spend another cent on WH40k, unless they revert their bullshit, let the fans do their thing, and pay the animators more than they'd possibly make on Patreon. It is sad cause the above animation is great and Id love to watch it all.

    • @eeyun5279
      @eeyun5279 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bro you know the guy that did astartes works for games workshop now right? He’s heading up some of their productions

    • @commiehunter733
      @commiehunter733 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True

  • @secondarytrollaccount
    @secondarytrollaccount ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Fighting in a hive infected by nurgle and against the death guard has to be some of the most horrific things you can do in the 40k universe. Thanks for the drop man this is sick asf.

    • @kaptaink1235
      @kaptaink1235 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Darktide in a nutshell whenever they decide to get console ports out

  • @IronRAVENxvx
    @IronRAVENxvx ปีที่แล้ว +141

    I haven't checked 40k content in a while and the smoothness of the animation is definitely an improvement!

    • @cogrunner6763
      @cogrunner6763 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It is made by the same guy who did helsrech

    • @ZiGGi03
      @ZiGGi03 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed I still pay every month just incase. In the meantime I’ve listened to the herasy . The 2 final books will be out soon one end of this year .

    • @Caramelraver
      @Caramelraver ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@ZiGGi03the end and the death is already out and its a blast to read! :)

  • @smolpp585
    @smolpp585 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    Imagine how Angels of Death Season 2 is going to look if they keep up with this quality!

  • @GirmGent
    @GirmGent ปีที่แล้ว +141

    Watching Kazarion pick up a Deathgaurd was something, considering how heavy those bastards are and just slamming him to the ground astonishes me.

    • @rainforcer1
      @rainforcer1 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Also they slower than him with all those rotten flesh on those DG marine. And his first action is to LITERALLY disarmed them 😮

    • @Glenn138horror
      @Glenn138horror ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Kazarion- "I would like to RAAAAAAAAAGE."

    • @deadeye9439
      @deadeye9439 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kaz is a fucking badass dude
      That freaking headbutt was phenomenal, you can hear the plague marine's neck and spine get broken and squished

    • @Blazegraze12
      @Blazegraze12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@deadeye9439Can see why he was chosen for the Deathwatch.

    • @Bananakingchad
      @Bananakingchad 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it was gravity he lifted him up to slam him with his pauldrons and tilting him so his weight did the deed very tactical

  • @male272
    @male272 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    One detail you missed...as Kizzy charged the Knurghts a white feather fell in the wake of his charge. A sign of the presence of the Primarch in spirit?...a foreshadowi of him regaining control?

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Yes, I’m the Angels of Death series climax this happens when a Marine gets taken by the black rage

    • @BogdanF14
      @BogdanF14 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Kizzy? Knurghts? Talk like a fckin normal person

  • @peterwight3918
    @peterwight3918 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    The duel with the deathguard was everything I've wanted to see with astartes on astartes violence

    • @Gunnar001
      @Gunnar001 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      It was cool but completely fails to portray the ridiculous superhuman speed of an Astartes…

    • @lickmylinguini9938
      @lickmylinguini9938 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gunnar001 Not really, they're moving pretty fast with big ass power armor on.

    • @peterwight3918
      @peterwight3918 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Gunnar001 agreed

    • @gallowglass3764
      @gallowglass3764 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The fan made Astartes short film did it best. Too bad GW hired him. Now we get scraps.

    • @pariswhitehead373
      @pariswhitehead373 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Gunnar001 being that YOU could never move that fast I would consider that pretty f**king superhuman🙄

  • @talscorner3696
    @talscorner3696 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    The moment Raphael turns, at 15:45.
    Even if the helmet is incapable of changing expression, I love how the director played with the lighting to make it look like he is frowning as he readies to scold the other Astartes.

  • @philmariop
    @philmariop ปีที่แล้ว +41

    To war born
    In war ended
    Only in death
    Does duty end

    • @MarcTBG
      @MarcTBG ปีที่แล้ว

      Dreadnought: Even in death I serve...
      Servitor: beep boop, please kill me.

    • @DeadBattleBrother15
      @DeadBattleBrother15 ปีที่แล้ว

      "I don't wanna die"
      - Some Guardsman probably

  • @Madashell1200
    @Madashell1200 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    This. This is what we want more of GW.

    • @nikpapado9785
      @nikpapado9785 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you are greedy enough, they will see that those movies and series can make them huge and produce more :D

    • @Madashell1200
      @Madashell1200 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nikpapado9785 I think they're fine doing what they are now. I am looking forward to Henry Cavill's new series in the Grimdark. But too much mainstream exposure could corrupt it entirely. For the Empress could very well be a rallying cry in a summer blockbuster that people would despise because it betrayed its roots, if GW isn't careful. But I at least trust Henry to do his right.

    • @nikpapado9785
      @nikpapado9785 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Madashell1200 I just realized I mistyped. If THEY are greedy enough***

  • @RenMagnum4057
    @RenMagnum4057 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    This looks more like a 'Death of Hope' successor with some inspirations from Astartes

  • @YourManifoldWorld
    @YourManifoldWorld ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Looks like Kazarion rolled double sixes wounding both Death Guards with a chainsaw.
    Edit: Wow, after they killed the Two Death Guards...when they entered that huge chamber. The music is very reminiscent of Blade runner.

  • @Saintbow
    @Saintbow ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I'm super happy that we got to see more of Chaplain. He was my favorite from the first season and it really felt like a punch to the emotional spectrum the way they unalived him. We all could use a friend like Chaplain in our lives...

  • @YaBoyYeti
    @YaBoyYeti ปีที่แล้ว +26

    When I started collecting Blood Angels almost 30 years ago it was because I saw a red armoured guy with a chainsword and the shop keeper said that's a space vampire...then I dug deeper into the lore and it was the best rabbit hole I have encountered. Other chapters are cool too, but there is something about the BA's that is unique and I'm not talking about the Death Company etc lol.

    • @someidiotnamedtricks6397
      @someidiotnamedtricks6397 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly I always found how they were on the verge of getting destroyed literally like *right* before sangy was found to be super interesting, and shows the contrast between the revenants and blood angels

    • @jeddpires
      @jeddpires ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Death Company and the Furioso Dreadnought are what made the BA my favorite chapter.
      Learning about their culture and Dante further cemented it

    • @michaelgrant5524
      @michaelgrant5524 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I absolutely agree. I started with the Blood Angels and Death Companies 30 years ago also.

    • @andrew3203
      @andrew3203 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a trick to it, but once the Black Rage is engaged, psyker powers, Warp curses, plagues and other nasty events cannot take effect anymore. The spirit of the Space Marine is replaced by the Angel, and nothing else can enter it that place. The Space Marines become unstoppable rage engines, which sometimes left entire Imperial worlds empty of life, be they enemies, civilians or Guards, and a sea of blood in their wake.

  • @samkirk79
    @samkirk79 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I really liked the bounding over-watch on the bridge ambush. One astarte is always providing cover fire while the other moves. Not sure if it matters against the Death Guard, but good doctrine is still good.

  • @rm06c
    @rm06c ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I think Games Workshop feels they're on the brink of getting big, so good on them for improving their animation.
    WH40K is getting more and more popular as the days go by.

    • @wendigowithaninternetconne9594
      @wendigowithaninternetconne9594 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its one henry caville away from going mainstream

    • @Aurondarklord
      @Aurondarklord 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's succeeding because it stayed true to itself and its fans instead of trying to change "for modern audiences".

  • @breonwogan15
    @breonwogan15 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    One thing i really liked was how the 2 marines got across the bridge after the death gaurd emerged from the blood river. They used fire and maneuver, one shooting, the other moving, frog leaping until they got into cover.

  • @imstupid880
    @imstupid880 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just a note, the Black Rage is not a result of the Red Thirst. The Red Thirst is a separate gene flaw, and in fact the one the Blood Angels want to keep hidden from the Imperium at large, as unlike the relative honor of the Black Rage (from the psychic backlash of their Primarch's death), the Red Thirst had always been there, and thus a source of shame (and potential for blamming due to being a harmful mutation).

  • @StonedSoulPainter
    @StonedSoulPainter ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Amazing episode, my one criticism is the promethium part. That was a damn lot of promethium, not even a space marine could deal with that intense of an explosion so close. Veeeery reckless chaplain, very reckless

    • @andrew3203
      @andrew3203 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is entirely lore-accurate. Promethium mass-deflagration has been used many times in 40k books as a means to dispose of overwhelming numbers of enemies, or as miles-long jets of terrible fire-melting streams pumped from deep reservoirs as ad-hoc (or not) long range flamers.

  • @DrFeelGoodHelpDesk
    @DrFeelGoodHelpDesk ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I can't see a CG chaplain without hearing the sweary VO from Baldermort anymore.....

    • @luketfer
      @luketfer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "No fucking pineapple on your Pizza"

    • @travzac619
      @travzac619 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Do you lack Faith!? Do you lack a spine brother!"

  • @dangerssr6025
    @dangerssr6025 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Chaplain is my favorite character in the first series. I felt just like Kaz when he screamed "NOoooo" as The chaplain got domed. Love the content thank you. I like to watch the break downs even tho I've seen the episodes already.

  • @loganross1861
    @loganross1861 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Astartes is the best piece of sci-fi/Fantasy I’ve seen, period. It’s peerless. I’m very open and would love to know what else is out there, but seriously can’t think of anything in the same league.

  • @trenchgaming2166
    @trenchgaming2166 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I claim this Comment section in the name of Khorne!!

    • @lukasfrech7572
      @lukasfrech7572 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Hans bring me my shovel i see ze filty heretic. FOR THE EMPEROR!!

    • @EmperorsWrath
      @EmperorsWrath ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Heresy! Battle Borthers, slay this traitor in the Emperor’s name!

    • @christiancarey3814
      @christiancarey3814 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

    • @mrnasty2757
      @mrnasty2757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Skulls for his throne!

    • @bossboard22
      @bossboard22 ปีที่แล้ว

      SKULL FOR THE SKULL THRONE

  • @Earthshine256
    @Earthshine256 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    It really saddens me that artists don't seem to grasp the concept of poxwalkers. Poxwalkers are not zombies. They don't suffer in death. They are very much alive and they are enjoying it. They love all the gifts of Nurgle and they always smile

    • @derrickj45
      @derrickj45 ปีที่แล้ว

      HERETIC!!!! PURGE THE UNCLEAN!!!!

    • @gavin1506
      @gavin1506 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      indeed. They think Nurgle to be the plague god. When in fact he's the god of despair, the last resort you turn to in desperation. Papa Nurgle takes all.

    • @TaigaShark-ij8oh
      @TaigaShark-ij8oh ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I forgot the name of the movie. But something like "happiness". Not the happy romantic ones. But it's an Asian zombie movie, counterpart to western horror comic "Sadist" or something.
      Where the virus targets the human brain and forces them to go violent to pursue excitement, the virus also makes them think and see normal whilst non-infected ones see madness in them. A virus that looked like " what if Slaanesh takes Nurgle's class lesson how to cultivate bacteria/virus."
      Generally. To blood angels they looked like zombies crawling in sewers, to pox walkers they may have seen themselves as hippies on high drugs af, embracing Nurgle's sweat shower in a spa.

    • @Earthshine256
      @Earthshine256 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TaigaShark-ij8oh so... The virus in the movie is kinda like toxoplasmosis in a way then
      But poxwalker models are actually smiling. I believe it's the way they look to any spectator

    • @TaigaShark-ij8oh
      @TaigaShark-ij8oh ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Earthshine256
      aye.
      Likely affected by Nurgle's influence that changes their view.

  • @nurglerider781
    @nurglerider781 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Angels of Death has some good story and the voice acting is on point. But the animation is all over the place, sometimes beautiful and awe inspiring and other times a brown/black blotchy mess.

  • @mitchelljohnson559
    @mitchelljohnson559 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Honor sometimes is a demand, to fight what is happening. Because are all the loyalist honored, different from one who has been dishonored.

  • @lamesurfer1015
    @lamesurfer1015 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hey Devil. Did you notice that Kazarion and the Chaplain bounded across the bridge and kept talking guns?
    Watching it at first, it seemed like movement across the linear hazard (bridge) was slow and put them in the Death Guard's sector of fire for too long. But then again... Astartes can probably tank plenty of rounds in that armor, so short, quick successive bounds might be a viable SOP.
    Also, IIRC the creator of Helsreach and Angels of Death is a former Canadian Soldier - so this addition of Small Unit Tactics with an Astartes flavor is a nice touch.

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  ปีที่แล้ว

      I did and really enjoyed the fire and maneuver but they did step out a bit too much sometimes but I get they have to make it more visually appealing over Tacticool.

    • @amirsafwan8491
      @amirsafwan8491 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Counterpoints To be fair you need anti-tank weaponry to reliably punch through Astartes power armor.
      Even bolters have trouble punching through them unless you manage to hit a weak point like the one the Chaplain took in the episode.

    • @lamesurfer1015
      @lamesurfer1015 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Counterpoints True that. All that said, its good to see SMs "fighting smart."
      There's only so many times you can watch a few Astartes standing tall, mag dumping and screaming something about the "Emperor" before you start wondering when the howitzers are coming in.

    • @lamesurfer1015
      @lamesurfer1015 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amirsafwan8491 Which is why I think the successive bounding they did works in my head canon. Also, I think its hard to drop to prone in that armor...

    • @andrew3203
      @andrew3203 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was slowed down 5 times, so we can see what's happening. Space Marines move like a race car. Because their power armor is a race car.

  • @colewyatt5298
    @colewyatt5298 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I feel like the audio for the chainswords and bolters could use a little work. The chainswords sounded more like a slow rotary saw or a steel chain being pulled, and the bolters could use more punch. Not quite up to astartes but nice to see they're giving the animators a budget now

  • @lordcorporal4247
    @lordcorporal4247 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wish they did more to disringiush fighting between chaos space marines vs everyone else. They just stand out of cover, firing their weapons and getting the same amount of suppressive fire as they do any other faction. It feels SW’s stormtrooper-ish. Imagine if when they faced their evil counterpart space marine they were more intensely in cover, had to move much more, and imagine a scene where a BA poked his head out and was just savagely suppressed fire by his evil, equally skilled+demon energy counterparts!!
    Just some sort of different ranges engagement to visually demonstrate that these are effing space marine ex-brothers. You just run from cover-to-cover regularly? Well you better smoke before moving cuz these guys got your aim and were trained like you (somewhat) mother fu#*er!!!!

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very good point. That would be very sick to see.

    • @BovineIntervention
      @BovineIntervention ปีที่แล้ว

      They don't take cover because the emperor protects. Traitors with bad aim love taking cover though

  • @Douglas3420
    @Douglas3420 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Kazaryon against the death guard in the hand to hand was a epic scene! Really dope

  • @artilyon
    @artilyon ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Astartes will always fascinate me, while their mutilated psyches do struggle to comprehend the madness around them it also shields them in a way with their clarity of purpose. They are monstrous teenage creatures living and dying n the most hardcore power fantasies.

  • @bengale9977
    @bengale9977 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow this looks interesting. The Angels of Death team (Were they the ones that made helsreach before the buyout?) have really been moving in a good direction. Season 1 of Angels of Death was alright, but it felt rushed and was a bit disappointing, Then Angles of Death: origin came out and it was the first animation I saw that made me go "yeah, this is what I was hoping for". This looks like an improvement on that again.

  • @andrewrobertson3894
    @andrewrobertson3894 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The gorgeous animation and quality voice acting made that an absolute treat to watch.

  • @29JTAC
    @29JTAC ปีที่แล้ว +6

    From a tactical point of view… the fire and move is on point!! They broke right perfectly with a mag change.

  • @aaroncarter4019
    @aaroncarter4019 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think there is a note of something not really recognised here that the Chaplain seemingly well knew the sergeant had fallen to the rage and that his abandonment of their mortal allies wasn't truly to save a fellow marine's life but to protect his honour and hide the butchery of loyal Imperials from the record. It's something parts of the community can often mask or overlook because they enjoy their cool heroes but I like that some of these series are including more of these aspects.
    That the Imperial forces are often cruel beyond necessity and it is so common for even their most 'noblest' of members to focus on selfish personal goals or those of an order over the protection of the innocent, the duties they are charged with and even the very survival of the Imperium. From the sacrificing of other astartes chapters to satisfy battle calculations by the Iron Hands to the abandonment of entire campaigns to chase the Fallen by the Dark Angels, it is a faction rife with interesting flaws that should be focussed on. There's a sense that Chaos is so wholly corrupting, and that is why there are so many rebellions but the more interesting truth to me is that Imperial life is so unendingly poor that any citizen would rightfully take the first opportunity offered to seek better conditions.
    I do really miss that about the writing as there has been a trend to make the Imperium more wholly heroic.

    • @andrew3203
      @andrew3203 ปีที่แล้ว

      They protect more than the honor of one Space Marine, by disposing of the mad Angel, they protect the honor of the Primarch, Chapter and all successor chapters, which would get a bad name if one of their members is found to act as an uncontrolled butcher of allies.

  • @CMTechnica
    @CMTechnica ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The animation is definitely a big step up from what we’ve been seeing from WH+ so far but calling it an Astartes successor is a bit far when they shroud everything in darkness to make up for the lack of detail in the animations and the Bolters just sound horrible
    I don’t think Gdubs will ever top the sound of the Bolter from the original Astartes.

  • @augustamees8516
    @augustamees8516 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Astartes successor, no. Good in its own rights, but definitely more like Helreach animation by Richard Boylan than Syama Pedersen

  • @jameskim3155
    @jameskim3155 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is all I ever wanted and more. I think this is peak 40k, they really captured that first born era vibe. I just cant believe how thankful I am.

  • @LewisB3217
    @LewisB3217 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow we rarely see the Plague of Unbelief zombies 9:32
    also we get to see promethium, and it looks like Oil which is interesting. It’s also super cool to see how the Chaplain tempers the tactical, and as he is injured he can’t keep up, thus the rage nearly takes over 19:30

  • @ausinasmith96
    @ausinasmith96 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't take my chapter brother anywhere
    He's always flying into a blood rage

  • @stankyxdanky4414
    @stankyxdanky4414 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That fire an maneuver on the bridge is crisp,

  • @HappyNoob17YT
    @HappyNoob17YT ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i see people whining about the animation but art style is always better than graphics.

  • @goatmachine-fg2ir
    @goatmachine-fg2ir ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This feels and looks more like a successor to Helsreach than Astartes. Similar looking animation style to it, similar pacing and story telling style, voice actors also feel similar, but that last one might be a stretch.

  • @sketchpledge2653
    @sketchpledge2653 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the animation on these are great and improving, and story wise they hold up
    BUT, lets not pretend, Astartes animation is lightyears beyond this, and what makes it crazy is there's a whole ass team at GW making this, Astartes was a one man army

    • @someidiotnamedtricks6397
      @someidiotnamedtricks6397 ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair, a lot of the WH+ animations are by guys who were considered some of the best for the fan animations; including the guy who made astartes but a lot of their stuff had dropped in quality when they joined so maybe something is happening behind the scenes like other people are saying

  • @snip105
    @snip105 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can I just say that I love the use of the feather. It’s really fits with the black rage.

  • @ThrdSonofSparda
    @ThrdSonofSparda 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm a FNG 9K, to Warhammer, and I NEED a tutor/mentor to help drop me in this world, like an ODST Marine!!!

    • @Counterpoints
      @Counterpoints  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ThrdSonofSparda watch the playlists my son.

    • @ThrdSonofSparda
      @ThrdSonofSparda 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Counterpoints Wilco! I'm having a little remorse for not picking this up back when I saw it for PS3 in my chair force days. So glad I kept my PS3 though 😄

  • @kingofwhispers
    @kingofwhispers ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This really makes sense, the astertes work is really doing good

  • @mikejo8194
    @mikejo8194 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is it me or does rafeal look even more cooler without a helmet and it shows how far he's been in the blood angels

  • @Tommybotham
    @Tommybotham ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is absolutely NOT an Astartes successor. SODAZ - Siege told a better story than this. Wtf is with fan creators making the astartes talk so much and having combat be so easily followed like Astartes aren't meant to be insanely fast and visceral? Shitty animation.
    EDIT: 18:00 ignore what I said.

  • @Xogroroth666
    @Xogroroth666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If the quality sucks, we ARE to bitch to the creators and their puppeteers (GW in this case), or things will get even worse.
    If we accept this, all will stagnate, and then be undone even, as if time is turned back.

  • @tyrantsquirrel575
    @tyrantsquirrel575 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems odd, blood angels are well aware of the black rage, it gives them a sense of humility, they are not the Dark Angels.
    Also really not a fan of the BL giving all the legions pre primarch such bad lore; oh the blood angels were ALWAYS angry, the Raven Guard were ALWAYS all covert, the Iron hands were ALWAYS in contempt of the flesh. Its bad writing and removes the interesting ways Primarchs and events changed the nature and fates of each Legion.

  • @benjamintrejo9307
    @benjamintrejo9307 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great vid. Richard Boylan is killing it lately with these Angels of Death eps.

  • @bloodyspartan300
    @bloodyspartan300 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Duty is all you have; Honor will be your reward for doing your duty, WHICH EARNS YOU REPUTATION.

  • @lomborg4876
    @lomborg4876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don’t like it.
    The camera work is weird. Animation are also weird.
    There’s something weird about the shading too.
    The voice acting is outright bad.
    Very low quality compared to Astartes.

  • @benleah4783
    @benleah4783 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The animation and tone are excellent; at last something akin to Astartes! The voice acting is pretty jarring though, it doesn't quite fit what we're seeing. A+ for improvement though.
    EDIT: beyond the voice performances, the sound design overall lends nothing to the atmosphere - a shame because that might up bumped it up from good to great.

  • @arattactician5697
    @arattactician5697 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would still say Astartes is the peak of Warhammer animation. While this might be good, just from glancing over this entire thing I could tell that it lacks certain subtleties, detail and weight that Astartes has. I'm not an expert in animation, directing, design or modeling, so I can't point a finger at any specifics but I can tell that this does not have the same level of quality as Astartes but I also feel it would be unfair to compare anything to Astartes because that is such a passion project made by (from what I understand) one guy, who has EVERYTHING detail figured out and essentially no deadline to meet.

  • @warwolf359
    @warwolf359 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really well done animation. Story, characters, animation were top notch. The voice acting was also excellent. Wish all productions were this good.

  • @lordcorporal4247
    @lordcorporal4247 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20:15 bro I can’t believe you didn’t point out the initial pauldron shot formed a blood angels logo on his….pauldron!!!!!
    Ps.
    Love ya, great content and much respects.

  • @oldeskul
    @oldeskul ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The animation of this is a lot more smooth and crisp, and a lot less stiff and clunky. I know it's difficult to accurately depict how quick and smooth an astartes can move, but this definitely got closer. If I had one criticism of this, it's they don't get right how a space marine charges. Instead of running like how you or I would to charge charge someone, they do an odd skip-push, where they push down on the ground with one leg to propel themselves forward, then do so with the other leg, which allows them to quickly and forcefully cover a lot of ground to get to their target, similar to how a sprinter comes out of the starting blocks.

  • @chromacypher8409
    @chromacypher8409 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I hate that I was wrong about Dante. I had hoped and said I didn't think he would cross the Rubicon. But seeing the status of the Blood Angels, I can see why.

  • @skywillfindyou
    @skywillfindyou ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even here, SM movement shown way too slow. And could have just punch through that "undead" horde, their strangth is enough to kill every of them with fist.

    • @someidiotnamedtricks6397
      @someidiotnamedtricks6397 ปีที่แล้ว

      To be fair, space marines were shown to be overwhelmed by larger numbers or just basically getting made into a football pile up lmao; but I also see what you mean, though as the video points out the chaplain's primary heart was damaged. While this doesn't make it impossible for him to operate/do stuff he was also shot in what appeared to be the back of the hip so... If he got shot there and his primary heart is damaged... Yea he's gonna struggle a bit.
      As for tactical marine (I have no idea how to spell his name) as I mentioned earlier getting overwhelmed can slow or make an astartes struggle even against such a weak enemy, though his chainsword probably should've torn through them with ease.... But that just brings the issue of all GW animation; lack of budget or time to be more detailed n accurate

  • @herberthoover1257
    @herberthoover1257 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video revitalized my love for my space marine collection

  • @kinosaga21
    @kinosaga21 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i hope GW learns from this and stops nickle and dimming their animators; no good comes from underpaying the people who keep their shows going, Hollywood is learning that the hard way, i hope GW doesnt have to,.

  • @JJtoutcourt
    @JJtoutcourt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just a little note about what you said: Space marines do die of old age, but Blood Angels can live much much longer.

  • @MbahMu9829
    @MbahMu9829 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My only gripe is that they show too much emotion...and whining. Astartes supposed to be this bastion of stoicness and badassery. And the way they talk and walk...so not astartes like