Why I Chose to Side with the NCR - Fallout New Vegas
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For those who missed it, here are my other faction videos that built up to this one:
Why House is a bad choice: th-cam.com/video/DTNS8QdLTHo/w-d-xo.html
Why Caesar is doomed to fail: th-cam.com/video/xW-7S-BvGHw/w-d-xo.html
Why the NCR is bad for the Mojave: th-cam.com/video/xu2m7-2Gz0Q/w-d-xo.html
Why Yes Man is a poor choice: th-cam.com/video/CNfKIDwX5kg/w-d-xo.html
The complete story of Fallout: New Vegas: th-cam.com/play/PLX3Sax_xs4WRO3Jt_s-4Vo7LNGWkG1XeM.html
The ncr is far removed from being an actual republic. If it was, well, money would mean less. Republics can last and stand stable. Democracies fail hard. Ask athens. However, the Roman republic lasted as a more stable entity than AthenIan democracy. Regardless, votes don't ultimately matter if the law gets broken by the corrupt. At least with house, and the courier, you can know who the man in the tower is, not some faceless pencil pushers who don't care either. The only a few things are worse than a single tyrant, and that is multiple little ones. Which is how Germany was for centuries. So, at least the courier can reach peak levels of power by not being an ass. Only that play through yields the thoroughly most powerful courier possible. Then, by that same token the courier can have is "kingdom built by a traveling man", and a good one at that. To project your thoughts of what can go wrong is disingenuous to the character. Yes, we mold him, but blue clay is still blue clay until it's not. The courier who wields the most power, needs it the least. This falls in with a philosopher king, and as such reigns supreme, but accessible and just as human as everyone else.
Oxhorn what was the name of the song in the intro I can’t remember
You should cover Fallout: Dust
We have mostly the same view conserning the factions of NV. I personally like house more since House IS immortal. He was in a coma was because of the lack of the platinum chip. With your help he can have his equipment and machinery running stable and efficiently. I don't think that benny could've killed house, hell, if the courier wasn't a god he/she probably couldn't have survived houses securitrons but that's outside the point. I think he'll be nice and cozy in his tube for a long time. The guy above also mentioned some great points which I totally agree upon. But I have to admit the ncr and house are both good options, I just think House is the better pick. BTW I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT YES MAN! Been telling about the same things for years but nobody took me seriously. Glad to see we see eye to eye on that one 👍.
@@dovahwolf3048 It is California Dreaming by the Mamas and the Papas.
When you simply like the NCR because of the Ranger armour
i feel u...
Ikr
When side with the ncr just because the prefer to patrol in nuclear winter
Actually, you can get better Ranger armor in the Divide. And the best way to get Ranger armor in good condition is killing NCR Rangers.
Heck, I had to kill the Rangers to get my hands on the Ranger Sequoia.
Yerp
The repubblic of dave will annex everything
Yes they will...
Maybe you’ll get a taste of that free education, that spelling proves you need it.
Nobody can survive being annexed by the republic of dave
Don't you mean the Democratic People's Republic of Dave or DPRD. The only true Free State in all the wasteland. Besieged on all sides by the imperious dogs of Rivet City, Megaton, and Vault 101.
@@slyfer60 no their are not communist sorry
"We already lived through Democracy"
Me: "We already lived through dictatorships as well. If I aren't mistaken."
I think the implication is in the fact that it wasn't dictatorships that ended the world, but the conflict between communism as a ruling philosophy and Democracy sparked by diminished resources.
@@victuss1413 The thing is that communism isn't the same kind of philosophy as democracy, the more apt comparison here is American democracy vs communist Chinese authoratarianism (or authoritarian socialism if you want to be more exact). But even then, that misses the point. The Great War didn't start because of a war over philosophies or theories of economics or government, it started because of resource shortages with each side perpetuating anti-communist or anti-capitalist sentiment as a means to control their population. Thus House's point about the 'fate of democracies' is flawed from the get go, as the Great War grew from a war that started entirely due to resource shortages. Both America and China could have been authoritarian or democratic, the nukes still would have dropped. After all, it isn't like the American people voted to nuke China.
@@naggie6358 America was authoritarian by the great war so yeah your point is right
I’m pretty sure that the United States in the Fallout games were more of Fascist using the illusion of Democracy to make them seem like the best.
And we both know which lasted longer
I just side with NCR because it means most of my companions get happy endings.
Bro same, most of the other endings just make other companions in a worse situation, + the NCR has drip
@@MrMax-jn3sb Including drip that shoots bullets.
Holy based.
Yeah some of the worst NCR endings are "character is depressed because life didn't turn out perfect for them." It's never like, oh Veronica died under crippling NCR taxes.
@@Spaced92 Except for arcade who is getting hunted down. You can just convince him to not fight tho.
It’s kind of ironic. The courier, the player, is a walking death machine. With the right skills a charismatic leader or a brilliant scientist. They’re capable of anything to the point where every faction has to use the courier, they are the axis on with the power struggle for the Mojave tilts. But the one thing they can not do is truly seize power for themself.
SankarPrime what about independent is kinda like that.
Reptilian Lizard Not really. Even without the implication that yes man plans on becoming more assertive and perhaps seizing control you never get to decide policy beyond which factions are allowed to live. The Mojave is shown to be lawless and chaotic in the independent ending implying you are either unwilling or unable to take control in any meaningful way.
SankarPrime no it’s not chaotic, it’s just anarchy, which is completely different than chaos.
Reptilian Lizard I guess. But it’s not functionally different in this case because it’s not what I wanted, and were talking about the player so what I want matters. If it’s anarchy the player has not taken control.
SankarPrime fair, my only problem was that you said it was chaos but it’s just anarchy.
Imagine siding with a bunch of customers.
This post was made by the House Gang.
Update: House will be born in approximately 24 hours it's all coming together now.
Imagine being unable to go outside.
This post was made by NCR gang.
@@samuelwithers2221 imagine not having 18 limbs as a result of radiation poisoning instead of living forever in an immortality tank while virtually fulfilling your dreams.
This meme was made by house master race.
@@kennethlacroix889 Imagine literally conquering the west and becoming a wasteland superpower while your competition couldn't turn the lights on for two centuries.
This post was made by the glorious New California Republic.
@@samuelwithers2221 Imagine not beating a zerg rush type without the pop to sustain it and only use bronze age gear. And only rose to power and maintained it because of a person and their offspting
Made by Program 420
@@kyleauthinus7517 Imagine not owning the entire west coast while everyone else can't amount to jack shit.
This post was made by NCR gang.
Oxhorn: "The perfect faction just doesn't exist."
Preston Garvey: "Hold my settlement."
That settlement you hold, needs our help. I'l mark it on your map.
Worst faction in the entire franchise
@@kroolini3678 14 year old can't get a joke
ANOTHER 15 1/2 SETTLEMENTS NEED YOUR HELP
That's why the Minute Men suck because they are just the basic good guys and kinda demonstrate how stale Fallout 4's writing was.
Diplomacy didn't cause the downfall of civilization in fallout, poor leadership did. Diplomacy isn't the reason the NCR is failing before courier intervention, poor leadership is. With great leaders comes great civilization.
Bad times make strong men; strong men make good times; good times make weak men; weak men make bad times. Pretty much sums up most of Fallout
The NCR was doing great in Fallout 2 with tandi in office, they were selfcontrolled , had a strong economy, NCR dollars were worth something and flowed more throughout the area better, a very motivated resourceful military strength etc , there were anti Monopoly laws limiting how many brahmin and land a person can have to limit their influence in government to corrupt it etc, they had plenty of brahmin products etc, gold and uranium mining, healthcare from vault city and entertainment in new Reno etc , if that NCR was still around they would of done alot better against the legion and have the resources to fight and hold onto Mojave desert easier , that's the NCR I love and respect
Bingo.
Democracies at least have a chance to course-correct. Dictatorships don't.
Kimball is fit to lead a dumpster
Uncle Ben is that you
As soon as cass started taking about "you ever had an annoying younger brother" I looked down i shame because I was an annoying younger brother
Ayy same
Me and my brother are both annoying
Same cause I'm 2 years younger than my sister and this is the scenario I'm a boy too
So you knocked up the pastor's daughter? You are a chad
@@guilhermedom2228 He's halfway there. He'll be a chad if he knocked them both up at the same time.
When evere I see "For the Republic" I start to think of the clone troopers
Our brothers will be avenged for what the Emepror did to them
Join the dahrkside anikenn
Kotor for me lol
@@herlenh8772 you okay bro?
ME X TH-cam the dark side is strong with you
“It’s not a war crime when we do it”
NCR
history is written by the victor
God bless the NCR
Just like The US of A in real life.
America! Fuck yeah- oh wait…I mean…New California! Fuck yeah!
I assume you're referring to bitter springs
But we find many NCR people who acknowledge what happened and feel regrets about it
The man responsible was demoted! Find me another faction able to face the wrong that it did like the NCR
You picked the NCR because it seemed like the best deal on balance; I picked the NCR because if LA, SF, or San Diego are still intact, they probably have a greater combined number of brothels than Vegas or the Legion. We are not the same.
I never thought of that before
Isn't San Francisco a Shi territory
@@dof2477 NCR annexed Shi I think
I just joined because the ranger armour looks cool.
Screw any "reasonable" reasons to join the ncr I'm here for drip hookers and black jack
Legionary: NOOO you just can't use guns to fight
NCR Ranger: haha Anti-Material Rifle go Boom
DoughRayMe LMFAO
You made my day man.
Enclave remnant: Tesla Cannon says hi
Borherhood of Steel : Liberty Prime sends his regards.
And his exquisitely subtle anti-communist propaganda.
Institute: hey guys, am I late to the party ?
I absolutely love that instrumental, slightly militaristic, version of California dreaming at the beginning
Me too
Albert Twangle aw does somebody need to take a nap nap
That's not it
@Albert Twangle ever heard of a *comment*. It means to say something about an un named noun. So how about this, no one cares about what you care about
@Albert Twangle It was just an opinión nobody cares what you dsid
When I played New Vegas, I knew I wasn’t going to side with Caesar’s Legion. I wanted to go with the NCR at first, then I wanted to side with Mr. House, but I was being pulled in all 3 directions: Mr. House, NCR, Legion, and I decided to go with Yes Man in the end
Good choice lol
I usually side with the NCR, but I also think Yes Man is a decent choice.
I feel like every player who is new to this game always goes for a yes man ending, or it’s probably just me
So far, I axed Caesar's current hold, and Mr. House, Yes Man, and options to choose the NCR are alive. I have taken my time studying the DLC's I've been to so far and crumpling down my experience into the understanding of my details- the characters current opinions on the factions at hand. Elijah, as crazy as he is, wants the NCR gone because of the Helios One incident. Joshua, while a former legate in Caesar's Legion, denounces his former group, Mr. House, and also points out the trouble in the NCR, regardless of his standing. I've yet to speak with Ulysses, personally.
@@korhol2065 Nope, i did the same thing first time i played, the NCR asked me to pay taxes from that moment forward i knew that i wouldn't side with them, the Legion engage in slavery so that's pretty cool but i disagreed with Caesar's opinion on Hegelian dialectics so i shot him. I wanted to side with House but he didn't want to pay me 1250 caps for the platinum chip so i shot him.Then i went to yes man i didn't like his face so i shot him, but then he came back and also everyone hated me so i proceeded with his quest then at some point i was sent to the hoover dam to listen to a guy named Kimball that was doing a speech about taxes or something anyway i shot him, and before you ask yes i also shot elder Mcnamartha and that old lady that i found at Nellis,she tasted awful(i had cannibal perk) i also went to the Great Chads and meet Papa Chad i shot him but this time i was in stealth, so i became the chad of the chads and i told them to go to the most chad place in america WYOMING. Then at the 2 battle of hoover dam i meet Lanius and NO i didn't shot him what do you think i am an animal? We had a civilized conversation about how much we hate taxes then i used terrifying presence to tell him that i am a Sigma Male, Lanius upon hearing my wisdom he fled the battle. Then General Oliver greeted me and we had a civilized conversation about how patrolling the mojave almost makes us wish for a nuclear wint-.....nah just kidding i told yes man to throw him off the fucking dam and that's how the game ended,now you would think that i had bad karma but NO because i used that big iron on my hip😏 to anihilate like 5 or 4 fiends so i ended the game with good karma so I can say that i got the BEST ENDING for Fallout new vegas the first and only time i played trough the whole game. Also do you know about the vault dweller's memoirs? Consider this the courier's memoirs that's right all i wrote here is canon! Deal with it nerds.
Also if you read all of this then you are a fucking legend. ok i am done go touch grass, bye.
The NCR could really do with their own minutemen or similar equivalent to act as law enforcement/monster hunters. Rangers go in and fight the enemy factions, NCR minutemen come in later and provide long term security and stability. They recruit locals, who invest in the local economy and aren't an occupying army to be resisted against.
The NCR was doing great in Fallout 2 with tandi in office, they were selfcontrolled , had a strong economy, NCR dollars were worth something and flowed more throughout the area better, a very motivated resourceful military strength etc , there were anti Monopoly laws limiting how many brahmin and land a person can have to limit their influence in government to corrupt it etc, they had plenty of brahmin products etc, gold and uranium mining, healthcare from vault city and entertainment in new Reno etc , if that NCR was still around they would of done alot better against the legion and have the resources to fight and hold onto Mojave desert easier , that's the NCR I love and respect
@@tylersoto7465 Its the big thing with democracy though, that NCR fell because Tandi died and Kimball got elected its not fallacy to believe the NCR can improve with whom occupies the executive branch
@@tylersoto7465is this just a copy and paste? I've seen this comment before
The NCR ending also lets you create alliances with pretty much every other faction in the mojave. You can solve a lot of problems through diplomacy. Not enough men to patrol the roads? The NCR and Brotherhood can make an alliance and the Brotherhood will patrol the roads. Freeside and West side living in poverty? The NCR, the Kings and The Followers of the Apocalypse can form an alliance to provide relief to the people. Gangs raiding everyone? You can banish the Great Khans to a reservation in the middle of nowhere after using them as canon fodder at Hoover Dam. The NCR ending is the best because you can make use of all the other factions and their strengths, and if played this way I think it's damn close to a perfect ending.
How do
How do
There is no guarantee that they will continue working together for the long term: leaders change, circumstances change, inter-faction squabbles will happen, certain factions will desire more power. This is proven by history.
@@icespicefan4771 Of course, but diplomacy allows a nation to overcome many challenges that would otherwise be nearly impossible. World War 2 is a great example; the Nazis had outstanding military technology, highly skilled leadership, a highly motivated and well-organized soldiery, yet they tasted defeat in the end. Why? Because they were terrible diplomats; they made far too many enemies, they gained a reputation as treacherous warmongers, and almost every other world power grew to consider them not merely an inconvenience but an existential threat in time. Other nations, despite having far inferior militaries in many respects, triumphed in the end because they had the capacity to make and keep powerful friends.
@@dragonslair951167 WW2 only led to the Cold War, the Soviets went from an ally to an even more powerful enemy. The more varied factions there are, the more likely that chaos and conflicts will occur.
You have chosen wrong..
YOU SHOULD HAVE CHOOSEN ENCLAVE LIKE A TRUE *PATRIOT*
YES!!!
Justin GOD SAVE THE ENCLAVE
Is the enclave the best option for the Mojave?? I rather join the enclave because badass armor who with me
YES YES YES!!!!
Dave *
In the immortal words of a complete badass, who once charged a Sith Lord with only a combat knife and the inertia of his immense balls:
For the Republic!
Who was that?
@@Chase-jc7rx Jace Malcolm, Republic Special Forces Division. During the Battle of Alderaan, he led Havoc Squad to ambush the Sith Lord Darth Malgus and his forces, preventing them from taking the capital city of Aldera.
During the pitched battle, Malcolm and his team of ordinary, if skilled, soldiers charged multiple lesser Sith head-on, shoulder checking them and knocking them to the ground like the edgy, pajama-wearing *nerds* that they are. Malcolm sighted Darth Malgus himself and rushed him with a combat knife, even managing to resist Force Lightning for a time and forcing Malgus to hurl him away with telekinesis.
Later, when the Jedi Satele Shan was on the ropes in her intense duel with the Dark Lord, Malcolm intervened to save her life, rushing Malgus *again,* headbutting him, and detonating a flash-bang directly into the Sith Lord's face. This gave Shan the time to regain her bearings, and she proceeded to irrevocably rip Malgus's shit a-fucking-sunder with the mother of all telekinetic blasts.
These events are depicted in the 'Hope' trailer for the video game "Star Wars: The Old Republic." Malcolm provides the opening and closing narration, and gives the battle cry "For the Republic!" before a group of ordinary soldiers pick a fight with an army of Dark Side Force wielders. It is *impossibly* cool.
Ha a man of true culture it seems
@@Chase-jc7rx watch the knights of the old republic trailers
Are you referring to Jace Malcolm?
I recently found out from a Triangle City video that there's cut content where the remnants of the code show plans for a 5th ending. It involved giving the Followers of the Apocalypse the platinum chip. That's all they can find, but based on that, it is possible that a truly independent New Vegas would have been possible. The Followers are neither fighters nor conquerors, so I would imagine that cooperation with the rest of the Mojave was on the table.
Best ending smart people in charge
That would have been my second favorite ending if not cut out.
Oxhorn: there is no perfect faction.
Little lamplight: hold my fungus mungo!
Filiberto Carnal i absolutely love this
Underworld: want a haircut, smoothskin ?
Burned
Little Lamplight is great
They’re not a faction
Y'know, props to Obsidian to making the morality aptly grey in this game
Yeah mostly but Cesars legion is pretty clearly evil
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal True, however there are some redeeming qualities about them. Such as having a strong leadership, protecting roads and caravans, eleminating all other raider groups or making them join the legion. But other than that they're jerks.
@@rejectedkermit1220 I guess but they do do it by slaves
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal true but I think they look at raiders and other bad ppl as slaves or fodder
Blizzard should learn from Obsidian
What’s also interesting is that there also was a cut quest where you could have Robert House side with the NCR, and he would provide the securtron army to the NCR to patrol the Mojave and fight on Hoover Dam. In exchange he would get a seat in the republic and remain in charge off Vegas.
Cool!
@@marianagama4464Indeed, but the reason why it was cut was time constraints.
I tell you, Bethesda really wanted to set Obsidian up for failure, and there’s clear evidence off that.
@@pepijn23Obsidian knew well in advance though they’d only have 18 months to complete the game. So they signed knowing the time constraint. Its totally different than KOTOR 2 where they were told 2 years and because of the Xbox 360’s impending launch were last minute told by lucasarts ‘I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further’.
Obsidian did the best they could given the time constraint, but they knew about that from day 1. Ideally Bethesda would have been smart, saw that this game had a ton of potential to be GOTY, and just delayed it 3 months towards the holidays despite the contract to clean up bugs (and if they want add more content post release via OTA updates). It would have been a huge win-win on both sides.
I think the problem for Bethesda is they were concerned delaying it any further than 2010 because of Skyrim, and considering how popular that game was…they weren’t wrong to be concerned.
I just wanna join for two reasons:
1. I hear it’s the most fun for the game ( keep in mind I have never beat it before)
2. I hear you get the cool looking armor that’s so iconic if you do
It's definetly the longest storyline and gives you the option to get all the "good" endings for your companions which means the story quests get fleshed out more.
It’s been 3 years now
Did ya beat it? 😂😂😂
@@AstarionWifey nah not yet
Well then keep at it champ@@hammerheadtamer6449
Quit slacking off @@hammerheadtamer6449
the only valid option for the Mojave is the holy easy Pete faction
Bastard.
Nope. Too dangerous
A man of culture I see
Nah, i prefer No Bark Noonan
Tru
Reasons to side with NCR:
Ranger Armor
That’s all the reason you need
Yeah but what about the ranger armor in DLC's like the desert one or the riot armor
The ranger armor is amazing
So you would side with Germany in WW2 huh.
Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife. There are other reasons?
Riot armer*
Honestly in my head I always thought that the Courier would do what the Sole Survivor did with the Minutemen.
I feel that with the Yes Man route, the Courier could establish a democracy of the house families. Expand the Vegas walls to include Freeside, use the tech from the Big MT to help the Followers, have the Brotherhood watch the roads with NCR, after allowing trading of tech as long as it was used to help the Mojave. The Courier is human, like most of the leaders in the rest of the factions. What they don't have in experience, is the chance to learn. To learn from their mistakes, and the NCR's, Legion's, and others. Take the knowledge and build a better Vegas, a better Mojave.
This would have been a great option imo
Honestly i think we can qualify the courier as a bit more than human by now, the guy has half his body filled with metal by old world blues and he can talk down or topple 2 entire military regimes.
"Why I chose to side with the NCR"
Picture shows player wearing loot you can only get via nuking the ncr
How do you nuke them? Is it a DLC?
Mega Facts You can nuke them, the Legion, both, or neither at the end of Lonesome Road.
He could have used console commands
Little late lol, but I usually do lonesome road before heading to Vegas and dealing with benny. That way you can nuke either NCR, legion, or both and have your rep set to neutral after dealing with benny. Win win
nice stolen comment
One the Republic of Dave's Armed forces, the Tunnle Snakes, arrive they will install the perfect Government
THE REPUBLIC OF DAVE RULES
Mr President will rule with a true democracy
Tunnel Snakes Rule
Arent the Tunnel Snakes just a less cool version of The Kings?
@Square Body Chevys isn't that what I said?
Honestly my thoughts on house/courier ending is that machiavelle made a point with his books the prince and his book on Rome. Dictator or autocrats are the best of a worst situation. They have the ability to get a nation through crisis with no strings but a republic is what a nation needs for stability after a crisis
In the old Roman Republic, before the Empire, the Republic had an emergency office called the 'Dictator', meaning To Dictate. This Dictator would essentially be given the power of the Senate for a period of time (IE a crisis or Year), and upon completion of their duty they would step down and return power to the Senate. And... it worked. For most of its early history Dictators would come and go to settle disputes, win wars and guide the nation when needed. A famous one was Cincinnatus who was elected Dictator several times and each time stepped down. Such an easily abused position that only saw corruption when it was reintroduced by Sulla... and Julius Caesar, the self-proclaimed Dictator Perpetua
They also had a lesser measure of Senatus Consultum ultimum, the final act of senate.
Unlike office of dictator, the final act did not suspend laws and it could also be targetted to combat a specific issue only.
@@americancaesar6065yeah bro, I saw the dark knight
I think The House ending is most effective when its a high karma courier who sides with him, mostly because I got the sense that such a partnership would see some of House' worse tendencies tempered by the courier's own good intentions.
Yet, House is afraid of the courier when you have bad karma. I would think a bad karma courier could control House easier
@@jvazacas it annoys me that i get bad karma for stealing im not bad just a horder
It's better for the NCR because it brings much needed reforms to take care of their corruption
My head cannon that “California Dream” is the NCRs national anthem
Honestly wouldn’t mind that
I love how the people's opinions can heavily affect how you see certain factions...
For example, in my first gameplay, my 1st encounter with the Great Khans they attacked me in a mission, then i kept hearing from people how they're savages and etc...i went to destroy them, and i was surprised how despite the fact that im vilified, they wont attack me unless i attack them and seemed civilized to a certain extend
same
I'd still put some rounds on their heads, though. They have to pay for the crimes of the past
But NCR for them are KOS, and they helped Benny shoot you. They're also glorified raiders and drug pushers, who work with Fiends. They're chill tho
Reminds me of the war on drugs, considering the Khans are drug dealers. Told one thing, reality proves to be another.
I settled with them peacefully..if peacefully means cheating my way to the heir of the throne from papa Khan and then assassinating him while he's sleeping and then become the leader myself
The Caesar has marked you for death... and the Legion obeys. Ready yourself for battle.
Fr I love the legion hit squads. 1. Because they don't bother making conversation, they just attack you. 2. They're a decently tough fight unlike the NCR tax squads
"Perfection is a beatiful idea but it doesn't exist"
I'll be putting that to my quote of the year list.
"I have no interest in abusing others, just as I have no interest in legislating or otherwise dictating what people do in their private time. Nor have I any interest in being worshipped as some kind of machine god messiah. I am impervious to such corrupting ambitions."
"Give me 20 years and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years and I'll have people in orbit." - Mr. House
The house always wins.
@@cynicalgold9992 except in golf, the nine iron wins
@Mr Culec Tech increases could lead to improved conditions around the wasteland. Better farming, cleaner water, better protection. Any RTS player knows with better tech you can gain and create resources faster thus equaling more to go around. Really the only issue is that house is a man of pragmatism and voices his views as such. Which can be alienating to humanitarians
@@primary2630 Fucking legend.
@@MrTwistedLizard let's not forget to mention thag sufficient technology, the wasteland will be revitalized into something more than just desert and radiation, the people who have never seen a day without a dose of radiation could wake one day all that was will be anew. A city grows, it expands, freeside and Westside would both eventually become a House Priority using Oxhorns argument, and with House Priority, comes the wonderful benefits that you just mentioned.
Why I sided with NCR: Cool armour
Why I sided with Mr. House: I wanted the achievement
Why I sided with Yes Man: it's really the best ending (if you make the right choices during the quest line)
Why I sided with Caesar: I was doing a melee build
"Why I sided with Caesar: I was doing a melee build"
Or an evil playthrough
I mean, you can be very evil with all the factions but the Legion has the most potential for roleplaying wickedness.
I couldn’t stand siding with the Legion. I sped my way through it as fast as I could. Got its achievements and deleted the save files afterwards.
@@PumpkinCake I'm doing a single shotgun only run siding with Legion, currently. It's difficult for a few reasons.
Yes Man can and probably will betray you :/
@@totmgsrockxd9900 Honestly its difficult to side with the Legion if you're chaotic and evil- the Legion rule with the strongest fist of all the factions and all the "gang" type factions- Powder Gangers, Great Khans, The Kings, Followers of Apocalypse, all get pretty bad endings for the Legion.
I think NCR is like a divide that didn't explode, it's a "new old nation reborn", probably only, or, at least, one of the very few actual countries in USA wastelands, and this means it's a chance for people to start world from the clean list. Also don't forget that mojave is a NCR border, so NCR may have some power "behind the scene".
They do , if you nuke them at lonesome road and you go to the location which is deeper in ncr territory they have power armor , trucks, vertibirds
For me it's either NCR or House.
“Caeser kicking them in the nuts would be a nice wakeup call.” This is a great example of Hegelian dialectics. Caesars challenge will change the NCR.
@L'étranger And NCR ranger are cancer patients to Lanius.
Yes, because that's basically the only faction that can and WILL change. Legion? Dies after Ceaser, it can take some time, but with Lanius' genoicidal tendencies? It's bound to happen. House is a dictator that relies on technology, fry him with EMP and his army is useless, kill him and the whole Vegas falls. Yes Man? It's no faction, wait for some Brotherhood chapter or Enclave to reform and they will take Mojave with little to no resistance
@@tinheart2853 what a cope, but fun comment
@@leonardo9259 >calls it a cope
>No counter argument
@@leonardo9259 [INTELLIGENCE 1] what a cope,but fun comment
Admit it, you side with NCR just to use the opening again didn't ya? :3
But its a good intro!
So good
I prefer the yes man intro
Raydoglage It’s not by Dean Martin, he was merely chosen to sing it. The piece is by Jimmy Heusen.
Raydoglage Hope it did not come off as a snarky comment, it is just if you listen to any old live recordings of Dean, Frank, Sammy et cetera they will often say who made the piece before singing it as a sign of respect, and it irritates me that singers don’t do that anymore.
I love how the intro is a cinematic version of California dreaming. Such a good song
I know the factions should be independent in "FONV 3:46 of oxhorn's video" is correct but Obsidian only had 18 months which in my opinion,is why they couldn't put their full creativity into the game. I would love to see many better endings in NV but the time gap was way to short to complete such a amazing game. Even as it is now it's still a pretty amazing game. I know I should be writing this on a game article but YT seems better place to get my thoughts out on this discussion.
Oxhorn lowkey is sounding like liberty prime
I think that's the point, as I recall that he once said or showed that Liberty Prime is one of his favorite characters from the fallout games.
Democracy is non-negotiable!
@@AmazOrgadak Communism is a lie.
CHINESE COMMUNISTS DETECTED
Imagine him riding the top of prime xD
I didn't choose NCR because I looked to history.
Honest harts- The Sorrows had little to no say in what they will do with their home, someone else did just because they were in a higher position.
Dead Money- Sinclair didn't build the casino out of love there was another motive and he kept the money going in one direction- Him self. How can an economy grow if that is happening with the NCR taking over New Vegas with all the money it makes, just going back into it's self.
Old world blues- Just like the Think tank the NCR don't see another world, another nation out side of their own just more land for them to take and experiment with until they are happy with the results.
Lonesome road- Is an answer in it's self one person can make or brake a nation the more NCR expands the more that will suffer when the Two Headed bears hunting grounds are cut off, starving it across it's land.
That really hit me. That's a good perspective on the NCR. They try to take more than what they could handle, similar to the Legion. How can they stabilize New Vegas if they cant even handle their own problems? Everybody makes mistakes but it seems the NCR doesnt want to fix their own. Legion is not a good choice and I dont even think the Courier can run the Mojave with Yes Man. Mr. House seems to be the best option out of all. He has a realistic plan.
Bleachman what people don't understand is that the Yes Man ending isn't a "Yes Man and Courier rule the Mojave." It's instead a situation where the independent factions control themselves and make decisions for their own people. That's why the Yes Man ending is the best for towns like Goodsprings, because the town of goodsprings and the people living there make their own laws. The Yes Man ending isn't a "Courier and Yes Man govern the Mojave" ending, it's an ending where the boomers, Goodsprings, the Kings, The Khans, Jacobstown, and Primm decide how they deal with problems without facing taxes or Autocrats
I find it super interesting that the courier's intervention is literally the key to the fate of Mojave. Without them, there's a really weird rock-paper-scissors situation that doesn't have an obvious winner.
- Benny stole the chip, yes, but House was aware of that, and is highly likely that with his resourcefulness he would thwart Benny's and Yes Man's plans to take over anyway.
- On the other hand, without a trusted right-hand-man, House wouldn't be able to secure the securitron army underneath the Fort, nor secure the alliances with some of the Mojave's factions, making him much more vulnerable. It's also possible that he would suffer heavily from Omerta's coup.
- NCR on its own doesn't stand a chance against the Legion. Sure, they are a proper nation with a standing army and a working economy, but in Mojave they are stretched thin. If the fight was on their turf, they would probably win. But their inefficiency combined with problematic logistics and supply lines in the east are a nightmare, and they have a serious morale problem. Legion is a war machine focused purely on wiping them out.
- Buuut it's a war machine that's held together by one man with a tumor in his head. Every major character acknowledges that after Caesar's death, it's a matter of months before the legion falls apart, or turns back into warring factions.
So without the courier, no one can really 'win" the Mojave.
I was already leaning to them in my play through. In my eyes I feel that what I learned in American government class best fits ncr. You trade some freedoms for security. As the NCR grows a lot of its problems will be solved. I think that instead of expanding so quickly, focusing and developing close to their base to start and spreading out as their numbers and power grows makes more sense. It may make people more inclined to join up. But overall the NCR seems like the best option just because of what’s offered compared to other options. It’s not perfect but come on, it’s the wasteland wtf is perfect
You are basing your conclusions on real world knowledge, rather than someone within the game. The courier is from the Mojave and anti NCR sentiment is widespread throughout the Mojave. Why would the courier think differently?
@@jvazacas he took a bullet to the brain. Your courier could be whatever u want for that reason.
@@jvazacas I mean, are you saying they wouldn’t be able to think otherwise against the republic?
@@TemmieContingenC would you go along the same thinking as an invading force, taking away some freedoms for the promise of security that never materializes?
@@jvazacas good point I never thought of it in the shoes of the courier. I just think that it would be weird to not side with them because they wouldn’t be inclined to in the first place. I think this is a job for someone with a personal head canon in mind
"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others tried." Winston Chuchill
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
Also remind me of JFK when he said "democracy isn't perfect but atleast we don't have to build walls to keep our people in"
Your best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter
- also an absolute drunk called winston churchil
ROFLdudef
So what you want a tyrant ruling over you
@@Ash-gc3bb watch ''why socratese hated democracy'' and you will see the basics of what i mean .
I think that the point of this conversation is to point out all the flaws of governments that are voted in by the people. There is a flaw to Oxhorn's logic in this video, and that is democracy doesn't protect people from the government, but the ideals behind one does. Rome had plenty of ideals of strong aristocracy protecting the people at the bottom; the enlightened monarchs of Europe began to grant basic freedoms like free speech based off the ideas of Thomas Hobbs. Oxhorn should have argued that the treatment of people inside and outside of the NCR by the NCR is the best out of the four options. The NCR is the only faction where you can negotiate with their opponents: the Kings, the Great Khans, and the Brotherhood of Steel. They don't care if the Khans leave or the Kings are willing to work with NCR or the Brotherhood is willing to help. They are surprised but accept it. Freedom to a much larger extent than the other factions is still important to the NCR.
I like the instrumental california dreaming
this is why i loved the song even more
plus the fact that i can relate myself to that song
It sounds very patriotic... or should I say "statriotic"?
NCR all the way!!! I'm surprised you didn't mention that the NCR has the option to establish diplomatic relations with the Brotherhood of Steel. They end up forming a partnership with the Brotherhood of Steel similar to the deal they made with the Mojave Rangers. Practically an Alliance.
A house aligned courier probably has him as heir if anything happens to house
Agree I wouldn’t be surprised the robots has orders to follow the courier unless it conflicts his so if anything happens to House the courier is in control so while House may not intended to die he has backup plans
Really Ox? Smh the kings are obviously the best faction for the Mojave.
Reason 1: they're cool
Reason 2: still cool
Reason 3: uhhhhh.....
Reason 4: really cool?
@@peterma3560 YES
legion ain't nothin' but a hound dog
No the tunnel snakes are the best for the mojave cuz dey ruuuuule!
Gwinny Lafayette and because Rex.
I personally like Mr House. He has a plan and the means to carry out said plan. All he needs is the courier to get the plan back on track and to help around when/wherever needed. Also, Mr House is 'immortal' so he'll hopefully live long enough to see his plan come to fruition.
not a true immortal a cough could kill him if it lands he's damn near close but to be fair I don't side with him cause of his methodology you don't f*ck with the people you abandoned IE freeside and get violent when the say f*ck off and at least the NCR has multiple people in leadership to take the blame house don't but you have a fair point good argument
Yeah, leave the faith of an entire state to the mercy of one person. And I don't mean Mr. House.
Yes Mister Mighty all wiseful and powerful House knows who's and how's but cant get one run-off casino chip without one invidual's help.
Normaali yet every single faction has tasks only the courier can do
He's also a murderous, callous, selfish dictator. So.. you know.
personally i think the yes man ending is entirely up for interperatation
if you think your courier would make a bad leader then they probably would
but as an RPG you can play a courier who has a hidden talent for things like that. you can also take the developer's word that yes man's assertiveness is simply to make sure only the courier can tell him what to do. i dont think its fair to do away with the whole ending because of your specific character. thats just my take though
edit: you could also imagine that the courier would help out areas like primm, westside, novac etc. giving them securitron details and pointing traders coming to vegas to them
The House Always Wins
I would still love to get the full version of that California Dreaming cover
same
i neeeeed it
Why choose the NCR?
It's a non-brainer, because:
*Only the NCR is actually fighting the Legion*.
It's them or the Legion.
Chad no kidding, Caesar is a maniac who commits atrocities in the name of “progress”
ayy lmao NCR is far from perfect, just like goverments today, let it be Australia, or name your pick where people live well and not under an authorian regime.
Beats nailing people on crosses and slaving all ages (not to mention how sick it is to pay extra caps for pregnant women)
Sounds like something an NCR dog would say. True to Caesar!
@@yarus5889 sounds like something a 308. hollow point can cure, the last thing you'll never see
Mjr Tom would you like to join our army
I saw them grow from a little village, to a confederation of towns, to a republic. LIKE HELL I AM GONNA ABANDON THEM JUST BECAUSE OF OLIVER & KIMBELL
It's a far fetched idea, but I would love a dlc where you can build an ideal strip and help settlements and factions with all the resources of the strip to make the wasteland better
how about another skyrim
FNV never had a strictly “good” ending. Just “better” choices
One thing i will say about Cass is that u will solve one of her biggest complaints about the NCR (the caravan protection issue) by doing her personal quest in a particular way and i do love how even something as small as a companion quest can massively change endings and factions in NV
the subheading for New Vegas should be "Butterfly Effect: the game"
Me who choose the NCR just out of spite towards Caesar:
And Oxhorn, the NCR tolerates non feral ghouls.
That makes them even more good.
And it allows them to befriend the Minutemen. And perhaps even Goodneighbor.
They may even tolerate Synths.
The orchestral version of California Dreamin' is a nice touch. I actually like the fact that every factions' flaws are highlighted, as like in-game, real-life factions are inherently flawed, as they are all run by flawed people. On my last playthrough, I chose the NCR primarily because like you highlighted, they are the only faction wholly committed to rebuilding society and humanity, while the other factions are out to serve their own interests or ideologies. Flawed as they are, there are truly good people in the NCR who really believe in the cause of re-establishing some semblance of normalcy and stability. Excellent video, thank you!
Ты хочешь пойди с мне в магазин? Мы мог купить немного гитари и игать их до мы сказаем "пока мой товарищ"
That's the point. People are shitting themselves because NCR is flawed, but ignore the fact that all other factions are too. Yet it's the NCR that is capable of changing and can actually make the difference or at least try to, instead of conquering everything and falling because senile old man with tumor died or someone decided to use EMP against mechanical army
NCR always.. (well except for getting other endings)
NCR does have a buttload of problems but they are the most civilized faction with plans of rebuilding (well besides Minuteman) and actuall organization that doesn't rely on one infalable leader like house or legion (or yes man)
NCR and Minutemen are born from the same ideal, rebuilding the USA as a democracy, as they were before the war.
If the ncr was a democratic autocratic republic it would be better, it was Tandi who made the ncr strong cuz her and her father were strong leaders bringing them together to build a nation and fought to keep it alive like a hero and became president for life, now the ncr has really bad corruption and poor leadership skills the brahmin barons are screwing things up by being greedy making deal etc, if someone could get rid of them and replace them with good leaders it would get lot better, if someone like chief Hanlon who fought and bled for his country winning a war against the legion and has strong leadership skills, and strong common sense and can make right choices he can make NCR great again and reorganize the govt and get rid of corruption and he is loved by people who cherish him and look up to him and if he was running for president he would win by popular vote and be president for life keeping the ncr healthy again ,colonel Moore could be his vice president because she has strong leadership skills and is respected by her people and colonel hsu can be a security on Hanlon's board etc and other people too ,Boone would be a senator and others like them and the ncr can grow stronger and healthier again like before
the institute is honestly the best faction they rebuild and add more and when they replace somebody with a synth I think they just hired somebody and don't want suspicion and those synths and even father regretted using kellogg and when you become director everything bad that happens stops no more kidnappings less death and stuff
Some Dude except, they are not dictators they are scientists the Institute are not fit to lead a country, if they were to expand they eventually overextend and lose from infighting
NCR made khan genocide
5 years later and I’m just now realizing that the intro song is California Dreaming
The reason I side with House is because he realizes he is vulnerable which is why he is training the courier as an apprentice. Originally he was going to train Benny as an apprentice. He has good plans and clearly intends to train others to take his place if something goes wrong.
I like the NCR, and I technically support them. But, it's for that reason that I believe they shouldn't have the Mojave. Their current leadership is weak and corrupt. Their economic and military infrastructure spread thin. They need to taste defeat, gain some introspection into their problems, and then go to work fixing them. Tough love, so to speak. Giving them the Mojave will only make their current problems worse.
House is a genius. He's typically 2 steps ahead of every other faction leader in terms of planning, and his harnessing of the NCR's wealth despite their overwhelming military presence says a lot to his capability. Sure, he may overlook they little guy. But thats OUR job. We can be the one's taking care of them while House works on the bigger picture. His good karma ending even states that he's proud to have a lieutenant with a strong moral compass. Kimball and Oliver also need to be ousted, and Mr. Houses plan involves that as well. Play your cards right and get Chief Hanlon in on that, he starts to rise in the NCR's political scene (someone I'd actually trust in that roll)
Also, his software only failed due to not being the most upgraded version (the one in the platinum chip) and the fact he was fighting off a nuclear barrage.
Enclave for me.
@@gordanamherst6928 I couldn't side with the Enclave after FO3
Yeah but House is still an egoist autocrat and both him and the courier are going to die eventually. Without a government system to replace them after they die, like NCR's democratic elections, their vision of future will surely fail.
@@ethanqb12able Fallout 3 enclave were the best. Many people think they were led by Eden but acctualy C Auttumn was in charge they just wanted to unite the wasteland with some form of government and to use water as a bargaing chip. Eden is Doo Doo head
@@ethanqb12able What about fallout 2? They were way worse in fallout 2...Frank Horrigan...OMG...
IDK if you read comments, but I feel like it might change your opinion with one line in the house ending.
"Mr. House afforded him/her every luxury at his disposal in the Lucky 38, out of gratitude - and a quiet sense of pride for his choice in lieutenants"
Given that he somewhat strangely chooses to trust only one human being and gives his absolute trust to him, I think it's not hard to assume that Mr. House planned to make the courier his successor when the time comes. IMO, it poses all the benefits of Mr. House's endings alongside the Yes Man ending, ironing out faults in both. Mr. House's mortality becomes far less of an issue, and the Couriers' inexperience could be remedied by closely working with House. IDK, that alone made me choose house over NCR. Once he's kicked the bucket and established security on the strip, it's in the hands of a now more experienced, seasoned Courier (sans the unstable smiling robot.)
@Tolerance when you live for hundreds of years, it's not necessarily a time crunch to find an adequate successor
@Tolerance I mean he's fully conscious, just not able to move.
At some point House mentions to the Courier he will share that technology with him.
That just leads to all of the issues with the independent ending later on. You will still be handing the Mojave to an autocrat and you will still be creating chaos if you abruptly stop being an autocrat.
The courier would then choose a successor
8:58 there's a theory that the Courier might Lead the Legion after a Legion Victory after Ceasar Dies. he considered the Courier a Synthesis of himself (Thesis) and the NCR's way of Leading (the antithesis). would have been interesting, to say the least. Legate Lanius, the Right hand has no interest in Leading the Legion and in fact, the Romans used Coinage minted to Tell everyone who the Emperor was. Ceasar in FNV did the Same thing so he could literally pass succession down to the Courier. the Legion doesn't give a screw about tech thus it's diplomatically easier to forge a cooperative alliance with the Brotherhood of Steel. new coinage depicting the Courier could literally finish the Succession from Ceasar. the Legion could even become a Post War Monarchy since the Divine Right from Ceasar as Son of Mars could Translate to the Courier as a potential Grandson of Mars or as Mar's Representative as was commonly the Case in Christian Europe and the Muslim Caliphacy after Rome itself Collapsed into newer local autonomies much like America did in the fallout timeline
given that the Legion is Based on the Roman Empire, the courier could very well Bring Democracy Back to the Legion (Julius Ceasar was himself Pro-democracy and Rome itself went Imperial after the Consequences of Ceasar's Assassination by the Roman Senate who wanted to Save Democracy. it's not too well known that Ceasar Packed the Senate in order to better integrate Gaul, Egypt, and Nubia into Rome itself). Integrating the Brotherhood of Steel as a Technology Branch of Governing new-found technologies and preparing the Military with Virtue over how to Use tech in order to Eventually replace morals to restrain Technology and the New Vegas zone as a Trading Center after Dealing with Yesman and House (if not bring Robco Back to life as a Manufacturer after all why use legionnaires when you could use robots programmed to say "long live Kaiser/Ceasar"). Using NCR aid to Smaller towns to Unite against Raiders and other Hostile Groups
hunting down raiders who refuse assimilation could maintain the Instituted Militarism for a time if they decided to stop attacking external threats. Rome itself didn't always Fight but it weakened itself from the Inside via internal Divisions Inherent in Democracies amongst local and federal leaders. just note that an exception was the Division of Rome into 2 halves by Emperor Theodosius who Ended the 400 year Holocaust against Christians by finally legalizing the Religion, East, and West. this was to Destagnate the Massive Empire as well as Address the Cultural Differences between the Christian Greeks (of the East that has the ability to Boom economically) and the Pagan West (who accused Christians of felling Rome to the final days/very end despite being the parasitic half of the economy. ironic given that the Germanic Refugees from the Hun invasions including the Bulgars were Pagan as well)
Christ literally states his position on Rome when asked by the Pharisees whether or not to pay a Tax named after Ceasar. a verse of the first book in the new testament points this out clear as that when christ reportedly said "Rend onto Ceasar what's Ceasar's". Christ himself might of been a Fan of Ceasar because Crussifixion also took place on March 15th the same day of the month that Ceasar as Assassinated by the Senate on the Ides of March. an avid Christian would have tried to keep Rome together at all costs.
most of his history is obscure because the modern media today really likes to dunk on Christianity much like Oxhorn Dunks on the Legion. A way of Saving Democracy is to prevent the Beurcratization stage. the American System has plenty of Bureaus we know in the form of their Acronyms, CIA, FDC, IRS; history books nickname it the Alphabet soup and they can Operate autonomously of Congress which is oddly unconstitutional since we the people can't vote on it either thus we are at the mercy of stagnant crats with no checks and balances in the Executive, Legislative nor Judiciary Branches. we need a Convention of States, an American Ausgleich (Kaiserriech Reference) to reintegrate all the new bureau editions into checks and balance so we don't destroy ourselves with what essentially are bypasses to checks and balance by the Deep State and Executive Branch.
if the free world falls from it's defensive war into internal aggression against itself never mind the Russian Empire Wannabe stinker over there called Flartamir Putin, then maybe we should fix ourselves before we tell majority of Russian Crimean to remain under the Ukrainian Democratic Empire in exchange for telling the Ukrainians that the Donbass Region will remain under Russian control as a compromise without realizing that taking aside to defend the smaller party would be like causing a World war over the Dixie Confederacy (The South was as much a part of the US as Ukraine was for the Russian Empire since the Keivan Russian Empire that ended with the Great Khanate invasion in the 1200s) which by the way almost happened when President Abe Lincoln arrested British embassies going into the south due to his "no one enters, no one leaves" blockade order.
what I consider messed up is that Lincoln Disabled Democracy (suspended the Constitution for the Whole war when the CSA did it multiple times for select cases before Reactivating their constitution after averting the crisis) for his War and ensured it would assert by Using Migrants off the old world's boat as Cannon Fodder. both Putin and Lincoln Express Symptoms of Autism; Have that Obsessive Desire to Restore their Multi-Ethnic National Unions and probably the only difference; The Free World didn't give a shit about the North denying Diplomacy every time the CSA tried Buying Fort Sumpter (at least 2 attempts). don't bring up slavery until 1863 because that was a Mid War Issue much like the "Free World"'s Coinage was after the Autocracy of the Russian Empire was Knocked off the First World war in Bolshevik Revolution; it was still hypocritical because Siam, Montenegro (practically autocratic despite being constitutionally democratic) and Various bigger Hypocritical Democracies with Colonies not allowed to vote were all in the same New World Order Together called the League of Nations Officially designated after the War (Copy and Paste for WW2 and the UN). I find it ironic that the same Free world that doesn't lend credence to making a Confederacy amongst the Separatist elements in their own country in order to listen to them tell us we must be world police again for the 20th time after telling us why we shouldn't be for the 100th time since our intervention in Iraq over control of Oil; the Real WMD of Desert Storm. Cutting Russian Oil is Destroying our Economy since we didn't Prepare for it. so imagine if every controller of oil who Hates us due to cultural, religious, and civic differences decide to stop selling to our Gangrape against Autocracies; it would be hell for both since they depend on that oil economy to survive; but it would hurt us more than them; given they could buddy up and bribe china for resource assistance if they wanted to cease world trade immediately by blocking the Persian Gulf strait with the same oil not going to the Free World that Hates them for Being Muslim, Autocratic, or simply being institutionally different. even or democratic puppet in Afghanistan hated us and deserted when we left to the Taliban, only the empowered elements who appreciated us actually still miss us who are without coincidence all members of the Female Genders and Male Muslims who forget that Muhhamed's whole Harem of wives was Smarter Academically than he was (don't forget he married a 9-year-old (if not a Minor if someone wants to challenge me on their age) after raping them at some point before then and his whole society tolerated it)
the worst-case scenario would be a total resignation like it was in Kazakstan when the people gave up on their government and protested until the whole government Quit their Jobs voluntarily. then the nearest institutional power not dependent on missing resources can swoop in and establish puppet governments as Russia may or may not have in order to restore order in the region. the Khazaks literally went back to be monkeys (as the meme goes) or rather back to their horses for their needs since the government was no better
Instead of debating over why we should be putting stuff in the water to turn the frogs gay to save the planet from Nature's Misogyny, we should be working on saving ourselves from collapse from catastrophe. last I checked nature didn't care so badly about survival that God himself probably had to put bacteria in human flesh that'll target the brain to prevent humanity from resorting to cannibalism in the long term (science doesn't know why entirely but often theorized to be bacteria targeting the brain of the consumer of human flesh). only humanity is ailed by cannibalism when every other animal species in the animal kingdom would have no qualm or negative effect of even eating their own babies.
Brother in Christ wrote an entire thesis to btfo Oxhorn; You have my respect.
What in the god damn
Lumbering across the west, ruined treasures repossessed...
I love how you just shot ED-E. Was I the only one who noticed that?
Galaxy Cub I was looking for a comment about that.
Wait when?
@@maleexile9053 only good king
@galaxy cub why do u have Benito Mussolini profile picture. That's weird.
@@maxwellhudson438 cuz Benito was based
"You got what it takes to carve out a frontier, man roads and train troops?"
Me: No, but neither do you.
I mean, all NCR states minus Nevada are stable. The NCR has the ability to manufacture weapons. The NCR has the Mojave Express who allow for delivery of messages and packages. The NCR has Vertibird aircrafts. The NCR and Mr. House are the only true options.
@@JollyOldCanuck my problem is their greed. Yes, I may not be able to defend and police the Mojave, but they aren't doing it either. It has its risks but independent is my choice. Tbf that's the beauty of NV in my mind. There is no right choice, every one is riddled with holes and there are no winners. Because it's post apocalypse... we already lost.
@@calebkopp7636 the only reason the Mojave isn't stabilized by the events of F:NV is because of House and the Legion. They're keeping the NCR from being able to protect roads and actually help people because the NCR has to focus on holding the dam against the Legion and stopping Legion raiding parties, all while being drained by House and the Three Families.
@@DapperCthulhu5182 Exactly. You can't provide peace and security to an area when it's literally a warzone, your supply lines have been destroyed due to total randomness (Big Mt., Hopeville, etc.), and everyone is trying to fight you. If the Mojave wants peace and security, it has to fucking work with the people trying to provide it
@@calebkopp7636 there's no right answer. The legion is the dead wrong answer though. Straight up.
When I play FNV, I side with the NCR more often than not for these very reasons, but with 2 more important ones.
1) Most of the problems of the NCR in the game are people issues not systemic issues. Corruption, incompetency, etc. can be fixed. The Legion has systemic issues with slavery and treatment of women. House has systemic issues because he isn't a perfect God. I like the NCR because it can be fixed.
2) The NCR is like the Imperium of WH40k. It is it has SO many fronts it has to pay attention to that it is slow to get anything done. If it could simply focus on one problem at a time, it would be easy to solve it.
I personally stand by the independent ending still since its the most head cannon-y ending, in no way does the ending actually state that the courier became the strips new dictator, just mentioning that they ended houses tyranny and the legion's and NCR's fight for control over new vegas, with the securitrons being there to end any violence quickly, from there you can go any different route you think the courier you built will choose, an anarchic one may choose to not upgrade the securitrons thus leading to complete chaos, a more lawful but evil/neutral one may use the army and their complete control over yes man (which is confirmed by J.E. sawyer to use the upgrades to only be able to respond to the couriers orders nothing more) to rule as a new dictator over vegas, and a better natured courier may establish encourage every group to establish councils and have a say over different issues, with the securitrons really only being the police, not to mention adding and upgrading this ending through extra stuff from dlcs such turning the securitron deconstruction site in big mountain into a securitron construction area thing, using the water cleaning technologies, robo-scorpions and teleportation, the sierre madres holograms, the nuclear weapons in lone some road, or more from the base game such as integrating super mutants and ghouls into normal life, basically what im trying to say is that the independent ending opens up opportunities and possibilities for the future of the mojave
Gotta hand it to that opening scene, It really captures the warrior spirit, strength and character of the NCR, but also the dirty underbelly of it, much like modern society.
The spirit of civility that Tandy and her father brought with their friends to the wasteland to unite it, in that spirit.
The NCR was doing great in Fallout 2 with tandi in office, they were selfcontrolled , had a strong economy, NCR dollars were worth something and flowed more throughout the area better, a very motivated resourceful military strength etc , there were anti Monopoly laws limiting how many brahmin and land a person can have to limit their influence in government to corrupt it etc, they had plenty of brahmin products etc, gold and uranium mining, healthcare from vault city and entertainment in new Reno etc , if that NCR was still around they would of done alot better against the legion and have the resources to fight and hold onto Mojave desert easier , that's the NCR I love and respect
I have heard that the developers from the Obsidian have confirmed that Yes Man changed his personality at the end only so that he could refuse to take orders from anyone else but from the Courier, and that's what he meant on becoming more assertive. And I guess you could change New Vegas to be a democratic nation or to be ruled by councils if you want. After all you own Vegas if you go with the Yes Man.
But still power corrupts even the most pure individual
So you switch from one autocrat to another authrocrat and in case you missed... towns in Mojave don't care for each others. Freeside doesn't care for Primm or Goodspring and those don't care for each others, despite being literally next to each others. Independent Vegas is not a nation-state: it is collection of settlements in roughly the area that live under the fear of whoever control the securitrons... and once Courier dies, who controls the Securitrons? Yes Man, and only Yes Man.
@@Mandemon1990 They don't have to care for eachother. It's good that they don't, because that means they will all vote against high taxation should the courier make a democracy. The low taxes will attract bussinessmen who will solve the problems of the Mojave. The securitrons don't control anyone, they just shoot the raiders and bugs. Yes man is a robot and only takes orders from the courier. He can be programmed to only take orders from an elected council.
I would like to debate you on this. I want you to convince me that independent Vegas can't work, so that I might change some of my viewpoints.
Okay, great. They don't have taxes. They don't have taxes at all, because nobody likes taxes. And then what?
What pays the infastructure? Who pays for roads, who pays for patrols? Securitrons are controlled by Yes Man and Yes Mans loyalty is... questionable. Whoever controls Yes Man, controls the securitrons. This is a perfect setup for a dictator to rise and have unquestioning, unstoppable army.
And then what? What to do when Courier dies? Do you have some guarantee to make sure that whoever is elected next won't decide to impose taxes? He has the army. Who is going to stop him? If a man from Primm decides that Freeside needs to pay taxes for being too lawless, who is going to stop him? He has the securitrons. He has the army.
Entire setup is like with Legion: Entirely unsustainable. Whole "independent Vegas will be well off" is build upon sweet dreams and hopes, but anyone can tell you that sweet dreams and hopes do not build a nation.
Vault-Tec Under Yes Man there is no "vote." Only the NCR allows that. We don't know the kind of person the Courrier is cannonically, so you can't really factor for him. And even if you did, once the courrier dies, everything is in Yes Man's hands.
And what if Yes Man alters his program again? We see how irritated or pissed off he can get depending on some choices you make. Suppose Yes Man doesn't like what the courrier is doing, and uses his newfound assertiveness to once more change his programming?
Yes man is terrible for New Vegas.
I prefer siding with the NCR and allying myself with the Brotherhood of Steel, Enclave Remnants, Followers of the Apocalypse, the Boomers, and the Great Khans, against Caesar and his Legion.
A problem that you don't consider with all the endings is that yesman is basically immortal unless the cloud is destroyed.
You are differently right on one point, if there would be no Fiends, Legion, House, Hans, BoS then NCR would be the best choice. The problem is that without the all-mighty courier that is not possible. NCR might outlast them all in a 1/10/100/1000 years, or it might not. There is a big problem when empires overstretch. Local powers start to gain independence and fight you from the inside.
Stoik so basically the father elisha ending?
It’s obviously not possible in game and a bit of a boring conclusion but I feel like the best outcome for the most people would be to maintain the House/NCR alliance. Work together to eliminate the legion and control the other dangerous tribes and otherwise leave each other alone. Then you have relative stability in both the strip and the rest of the mojave
One of the big things that sets up the NCR is being more moral than the legion is that in the ending slides it is stated that a good courier is out of place for the Legion while an evil courier faces heavy criticism from the NCR.
While we are told that yes man making himself more assertive means he only obeys the courier, the courier isn’t going to be around forever. Yes man being in mortal means he will be in charge of Vegas eventually.
As smart as Robert house is, the mere fact that you can kill him highlights how he cannot anticipate everything. And if one thing goes wrong and his life is in danger, there goes his entire plan.
Your forgetting that in a city of casinos the house always wins
My 9-iron proves that wrong.
Linus Southwick maybe house wasn't talking about himself
@@reese4077 lol!
Not if you count the cards.
Not unless you play your hand like gangeskhan, kick the table over and steal his cards.
Is it just me or is it beautiful in a morbid way how the NCR soldier and legion soldier or leaning against each other in death? Just shows how the violence and brutality of war is effecting both sides. This is a beautiful opening scene, I kind of wish it was the opening cinematic to be honest.
Pretty interesting
Wow I just noticed that, good observation.
Ngl Oxhorn, ya should've put a Clone Trooper voice clip at 0:52 . Would've been perfect.
The NCR is the lesser evil compared to Legion and House. The NCR doesn't practice slavery and is tolerant of mutants (Really wish Super Mutant Rangers would've made it in the game)
@@poacherthenn Ever been to a Ranger station?
Y'know I'm seeing a lot of people make this mistake so I just want to say, when New Vegas Independence says anarchy, it doesn't mean "AAAAGGGGHH! EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE! ALL THE TIME" kind of anarchy, they mean anarchy like "live how you want, whatever", which is exactly what the Mojave was doing before hand but without two armies, fiends and whatever else the courier got rid of bearing down on them. That's literally it, like the Courier patched it, Mojave 2.0.
As for Yes Man's supposed Skynet Complex, well, the part of the reason they leave the endings so vague and mysterious is that you get to decide how it goes. I for one like to think he's a little more human than that, for lack of better term anyway.
i mean yes but house says he can barely control a securitron to goodsprings so i doubt he'll be able to control it any farther south. meaning basically anything that's not new vegas can get raided to hell and the securitrons will arrive two days late.
Mate, people are egoistic. If someone has a gun and is hungry, and no one keeps him from using the gun against other humans - take a guess what happens. Oh, people are righteous and just and will uphold laws because they dont want to be shot too? Hahahahahahahaha. This has been tried 1000 of times in human history and has NEVER, not even once, worked on even small sized societies.
If a law is not being enforced or breaking it has no consequence, it is not a law, it is a recommendation.
In the case of New Vegas, what keeps the strong or armed from abusing their power? What keeps a mercenary from going to lake mead, destroying the pumps and demanding toll everytime someone needs water and shooting those who refuse? What keeps robbers, thiefs, rapists, murders or bandits in check? Their own consciousness?
NCR takes care of basic human needs, like safety, food and water. Often times not as best as they should, but they got at least a plan, logistics and infrastructure - something you dont have in the anarchist society. The courier, House and NCR changed a lot - check the area on the east of vegas. Farms, water, secured roads, travellers and merchants.
As my favourite propaganda yelling robot once said democracy or death
COMMUNISM IS A LIE !!!!!!!!
[ *DEMOCRACY INTENSIFIES* ]
[Liberty Prime LOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVED that]
Death is a preferable alternative to communism
For great justice! Wait... wrong game :P
Just got Boone as a companion on my stealth sniper build and now I'm happy
I just picked whoever would screw over the Mojave the least. Also House wanted me to kill the BoS and besides the explosive collar they've been real cool to me
Fr, house ant offering power armor training
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Ur vids are the best ox
Well I hope they had a Nuclear Winter when they Arrived in Canada
Maršal Dženan patroling the nuclear whinter xd, the guy was in a plain following clauds
"The Mojave Wasteland, at long last, had entirely fallen under the NCR's banner."
For the republic
@@majorknight1971 Are you still standing guard at the Mojave Outpost? ;)
@@AdmiralAnderson yes
@@majorknight1971 *Shows wrecked marksman carbine and combat armor*
Major Knight... need some help.
Eh to be fair , if I applied the “what ifs” you applied to the other contenders such as House and didn’t apply on to the NCR I could make the Legion look like rightful continuation of the Roman Empire.
It does come across as you assuming the worst possible outcomes for the contenders that aren’t the NCR
I know the video’s ending makes it clear you made the decision on what you feel is the need of the hour for the Mojave, but I just felt like pointing it out.
That’s a good point
Also would love to see the NCR back in a western future fallout, their story is so good and can have so much more added. New Vegas will always be my favorite fallout.
You should have been able to expand the Followers Of The Apocalypse for a truly independent New Vegas, they were easily the best faction in the game.
Jsawyer said on a forum that a theme he explored with Arcade was hopefulness vs realism. which is why none of his endings are happy. the followers are very similar in my opinion. their hearts are in the right place but the West Coast doesnt accept them (especially not the NCR)
Or rebuild the brotherhood, or he’ll even have the boomers March and fly across the Mojave. I wish they fleshed out these factions more and gave us more choices
Originally the Followers of the Apocalypse were going to be a major faction but they got cut due to time restraints.
@@ammazer1229 source?
Followers + rehab khans + reformed brotherhood + remnants = Mojave Confederation
“If you want to see the fate of democracies...look out the windows.” -Robert House.
Thats what you can also say about Dictatorships like china or the soviet union in the fallout univers or the Republic of dave
Atomic war had nothing to do with democracy
@@darthnox9991 Dictatorships last as long, as there rules live. Once there gone, the people fight of Reputation, in the Government.
Democracys last longer, but are venable to internal strife, and infighting. But they, allow people to be free, and live how they choose. You live how you like, and can't control others on how they live.
House's statement trying to justify his dictatorship is stupid. Fallout's Great War had almost nothing to do with the government forms of China and the US. They were fighting over resources.
BASED
Todd Howard just said the Fallout TV show is canon. RIP NCR.
Damn you Chris Avallone
Who cares about their headcanons
Another dragon break to fix plotholes and make all endings cannon at the same time, thanks Tod, thanks Bethesda.
I could imagine "California Dreamin'" being the NCR national anthem.