How Close is TOO Close?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2020
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Can you do a video about benefits of using 2 or more graphics cards or if there are downsides?
@adam rule So don't watch it
@adam rule They made it very clear that it was a sponsored video. If that rots your crotch, don't watch it. But I enjoyed their survey of folks preferred viewing distances. It was informative, not a shill.
@lopezaldo80 Set up your cooler so the pump is the lowest point on the system. It's normal to have a few small bubbles in an AIO and doing this will keep the bubbles away from the pump and they shouldn't hurt anything if they are in the radiator.
Hey Linus , can you review the Raspbian x Nighthawk edition cause it's a Linux based os And it's a cool replica of Windows 10 made for Raspberry pi4 And you can download it from archive.org or some open sources
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" got me good
Pelle did him dirty
How many degrees was that it didn't say
I agree with Taran on so many things
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6:21
2:22
"eyeball not to scale"
YA DONT SAY
I was gonna say the exact same thing 🤣
Cracked me up good
Lmao, didnt even notice that haha
this was for the American viewer
i was going to make same post
Other LMG Employees: **this feels about right**
Taran: NUMBERS!
Light machine gun Employees?
Nemidoonam 69 Linus Media Group (though I like your interpretation)
Qazzie 05 lmao sorry man
4:09 My apologies to Sarah Butt for what I'm sure was a miserable middle school experience.
Doubtless, she was always the butt of the joke.
I would changed my name
Sam she must've been pushed to the back a lot :(
"Experience" sorry
I know what that is like. My last name is pronounced "gaymen"... At one point in Band class I almost shafted one kid with my trombone it got so bad.
People at the theater: "I can't wait to see the movie!"
Taran: * punching the air *
Taran is a proper nerd, respect. :)
why does this say read more
He is just amazing.
It's weird how most of us living on Earth will never meet or even acknowledge each other's existence. For example, if you're reading my comment; this is probably the first and last time you'll ever see me.
He should put the power glove on before doing that.
Neighbor: "Why are you sitting in my house?"
Me: "Just watching my sweet new 86" TV"
Saw that someone replied, it was a bot. So I thought I'd make a comment instead.
LTT says to get Vizio instead though. They said it’s better than LG Oled colors too
I see that you are using the NTSC recommendations.
What a small house that is tho.
6:13 Tarans intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion
LTT: "Are you sitting to close?"
My mom: *YES.*
If they didnt have those dang phones!
You'll go blind.
Everybody's mom, regardless of age...
r/beatmetoit
also mom: watches youtube on full brightness at night with screen 2 cm away from her..
Taran: Well normally I bring my protractor but the fist measurement is a good estimate in a pinch.
It's weird how most of us living on Earth will never meet or even acknowledge each other's existence. For example, if you're reading my comment; this is probably the first and last time you'll ever see me.
@@xXGeth270Xx i cant change my name before 90 days. till than stay home stay safe
You know he has calibrated his fists.
@@gametests I don't see you
Taran's GF: so where are we going to sit in theater?
Taran: "massaging his fist"
I've installed some TVs of this size when I worked at an AV company and usually it was just put about 10-15 feet away depending on the size of the room. Usually we put TVs this size in either living rooms or master bedrooms.
"i always do this when im at a theater" i expect nothing less from taran
I wonder if he leaves the cinema if gets a shit spot.
Get there early enough and you have no problems.
@@wobblysauce there is no specific seats you pay for in the us?
@@jelmero3090 And again... if you get there early enough and you have no problems.
Let's be honest. When was the last time any of us was at a theater?
6:31
Taran Intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion😂
The universially known, and well proven TISOOI. Nobody is allowed to sit anywhere else.
😁👍
In my experience it's a pretty good standard, close to my 48,1° to 56,4° horizontal FOV
@@qwertzuiku3t87hv86f8 I'm personally sitting about 3' away from a 40" for most desktop use. 7.6' on 86" seems fine for movies, but already too much for gaming to me. Then again, I play mostly RPGs and Strategy, not so much "click fast to murder anybody you can see" games.
THANK YOU for putting the distances in metric system as well!!!!
Every video by LTT is a bit unique and this is what I come here everyday for. Taking the very practical question of how close is too close to the display is something at least I haven't seen before. Nice one!
"Taran's intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" lmao almost missed that
Haha, I saw that to. My only thought, was "yes, that sounds like what I need"
I laughed so hard! Taran is such a Sheldon Cooper, and you know what? I love him for it. #nohomo
Sometimes I see parts of my self in him. Maybe because I am a pedantic nerd...
yeah I had to turn off captions to read that part, but I'm glad I noticed and did
If you can't see spots after turning off the TV, you're not close enough!
You aint gaming right til your eyes start burning
@@darkeagle7674 stfu
@@topup246 stfu
You were first
DMoney Industry, agreed, you need to experience the individual pixels to appreciate the movie.
The results were very good and indicative of what most people would find comfortable.
30deg is great for tv shows, mixed content, and general living room viewing
40deg is great for movies, especially if its a wide screen presentation
And personally, i can easily do 50deg (taran level) for gaming. I would consider 40 deg the absolute minimum for solo/non-couch gaming
This is actually a really good informative video. Thanks a lot :)
Me: "I have a 65" screen."
Them: "That's not too extreme..."
Me: "On my desk."
i am jelly schubidubap
man, you must have a really long desk
A mate of mine has done that. It's bloody brilliant!
There Are Dozens Of Us.
Ill never understand it. 144 hz is literally so good, once you try it, you will never go back. Even my shitty TN panel...once I got it, damn.
Video Idea: Taran takes a 23andMe test to see if he's actually human.
Yes perfect he is suspect need this as proof he didn't arrive on earth through the portal
Spent a few hours with him at LTX19. I'm not 100% sure.
Turing testing Taran
Excellent review! We just purchased a 65” LG G3.
Thanks for the video, really helped
Nicole: *shows up for a job interview at LMG*
Linus: *looks at her shoes*
Linus: "You are hired!"
Also, if your Last name is "Butt " you're hire too. 4:09 😄
@@WhyteLis21 I can only imagine the number of butt jokes she must get from everyone
@@WhyteLis21 Sarah coming up from behind
@@ETtheOG 😄 👍
@@sopcannon 😄 👍
Taran was calculating the minimum distance from the screen at which he could fit all his keyboards
Very helpful as I try to choose a TV size for my den. I am surprised at how close people are sitting (i.e. large viewing angle). My current viewing angles are 25deg in the den and 40deg in bedroom, and I definitely see content better in the bedroom. I plan to go with 35deg for new den TV. Thanks for the help!
Cool video! I have a 75 inch TV and am sitting 8 feet 7 inches away from it and am quite happy with it under all circumstances. I think this puts my field of view at 35 degrees.
75" here and pretty same here, just did the fisting test, so about 40 degrees.
If there's an intriguing video idea involving displays or just old common tech questions with an interesting twist (because the bleeding edge tech justifies another look at them), then James is almost guaranteed to be the writer. He also always makes great use of the big team LMG have at their disposal now.
I feel like James is a little underrated. He's a great guy and as a writer he is the most balanced I think. He is informative and detail oriented where necessary, puts all of that in to an interesting "story" (what Linus call it) and keeps it entertaining as a charismatic host (Linus and him also have great chemistry). Linus, if you read this, give that man a raise!
This. James, Alex and Anthony are the holy trinity of LTT.
Deffo my favourite lmg on-screen personality
James and Riley have better chemistry for me
James is the new Luke
Nice try James
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" I think we know who edited this one lmao
Pelle Gustavs. It's at the end of the video
@@8lec_R and Nicole Yuen
@@ethanmcdonagh6945 thankyou 😅
My thought exactly but it wasn't him this time around.
@@8lec_R let me dream dammit!
You guys just helped me decide that the 90 series is the right one for me. I’m gonna get the 55 inch for my small apartment though lol. Upgrading from a 43 inch. Maybe in a couple years I’ll go above 65
I'm a little less than nine feet from a 120" screen and that seems perfect. Not overwhelming at all. I had a 82" screen before that for nine years so I was used to a big screen but that was still a lot smaller and didn't take long to seem small.
You need to buy a projector😅
@@vishvrajzala8017 I have one. That's how I have a 120" screen.
My mom: "Your couch is way too close to the TV, there's no way this is the recommended distance!"
Me: "Believe it or not, it's the normal distance recommended by TISOI standards."
Please do this IRL.
who care.. it all about lighting and how your DNA..
@@campkira no genes has nothing to do with that it's about prefrance, and that isn't related to genes
5:40 - 'I always do this when I go to a theatre...'
Of course he does. Only Taran would be that anal about viewing angles at a bloody movie theatre. XD
Haha anal
@@maxzett "I always do the fist test"
first row or nothing
@@tsartomato One of the popular chains of movie theatres here the UK where I live (ODEON) have recently decked out most of their venues with recliner sofa's, and I can comfortably sit in the second row whilst reclining back and be totally comfortable with the viewing distance. About 30 feet from the screen. It's amazing. Ha ha.
@@_IHateHandles_
mine got new terrible seats we stopped going there
also we bought 65 into my flat since it was the cheapest size. if we were rich that would be 120"+
More of this please.
David sitting inches from the screen: “This is perfect”
My favorite movie critic understands
Kids: I'm in for Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion
4:10 Is her last name really "Butt"?
That's... pretty cool actually.
I wouldn't want that as a last name
Lol
Imagine having "Dick" as a first name on top of that...
I can only imagine the bulling in the school
Back in the day when I delivered mail. I had someone in my area whose name, translated to English, was steals shit.(as in poo)
Like as a parent why would you do that 🤣
I think videos like this should be seen more. The information presented is very interesting and I hate seeing it with so much less views in comparison to other LTT videos.
this comment should be seen more. the fart juices
I feel like this is a good example of how you do a sponsor video. Well done guys
"Achievement Unlocked!
Master Segue"
OK that really made me laugh hard 😂🤣
And that's a very rare Achievement!
RN Bat time stamp?
@@HamuelPter 5:08
I find that viewing distance with bigger TVs changes drastically depending on what you're doing. For TV watching I can sit about 9 feet away from my 55" and be perfectly fine. But with gaming I have to get up to 5-6 feet so I can read text properly.
I have a 43" 4K and I sit about 5-7Ft away and always found the text to be a bit on the hard to read side, but felt that I was still sitting pretty close to my TV. Just upgraded to a 55" and now it feels so much more appropriate for my sitting distance! It's all about size and distance as a ratio.
It would be nice in videos like these to have meter conversions too
thank you taran for that helpful bit of knowledge of the "fist test"
"Are you sitting TOO close?"
Looking at a LG CX 48" sitting on the desk...nope!
@Gus Cox wait is over in 4days + logistics or so ;)
@@superpsychedelics5451 I'm reporting your comment everywhere.
Go make good content if you want people to watch. Spamming here will not work.
Gus Cox that’s just how it is I guess with oleds
@Gus Cox nope, but I think I know what you mean...Ill post a reply if I figure it out, haven´t troubleshooted it yet
@@victorrosberg1919 I think it startet after the first firmware update...its a bit annoying when surfing the web.... Its dimming when no cursormovement is present...after moving the mouse its going back to "normal" brightness. (OLED light is set to 50)
Where can I learn more about the "Taran Intergalactic Standard of Overwhelming Inmersion" ?
You should do a wiki page
The TISoOI, seems fair enough
I was just trying to figure out that when buying a new tv. Thanks Linus
awesome tv thanks linus...👍
I'm so glad you guys brought up the SMPTE thing. You guys have sorta touched on this topic before, and as a broadcast engineer I've always wanted to mention that the goal is for the viewer to be immersed by filling their FoV.
2:18
right corner: *eyeball not to scale
me: Yeah, I hope so
Nice video! I'd like to see a bit better chart and data layout, as the current one was difficult to read.
Hey linus are you planning a desk pc setup
If it is I am super happy and curious to see it
Linus do a Microsoft flight simulator build
yes
Love the idea - would like to see a few builds since it's such a resource hog - $1k, $2k, $3k?
He needs to wait a few more days until the 3090 and 3080 come out, or maybe even wait for the ti or super to come out
@@topup246 Troll
@@ussj4brolli Along with Vijit verma. Just Report all their BS Posts.
6:37 Taran, editing the video: everyone but me is wrong.
I really see no point in buying large tv then and then sitting far away 'cause someone said it need to be 30% of my field of view. I am sitting 40cm from my 42 inch tv and immersion in games is fantastic. There is no point in buying large tv and moving yourself far from it. If you want to perceive 80inch as 32 because of distance then buy 32inch in the first place.
I had my 45 inch TV on my desk for a short while once, so I guess I fall into the "Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion", and honestly I am ok with that.
I always like to scoot the couch up close to the TV especially for games.
It seems that with 4k resolution you are finally able to sit closely enough to your TV such that you meet the SMPTE and THX recommended distances, but are far enough away to not be able to discern individual pixels. If this is the case, are there any real benefits to pushing resolutions on new TVs beyond 4k?
One of reasons I can think of is going beyond said recommendations, specially for theaters. 4K is just enough for 2.39:1 movies, and there’s also the IMAX cinema, where their horizontal 70mm film has a theoretical resolution of 12K.
One of the most overkill sensors that never materialized was the RED Epic 617, which would be capable of capturing a 28000x9334 image at 25 fps
Linus flexing his staff size is purely awesome. Keep on growing LTT you deserve it!
Taran might actually be the smartest odd person on the planet
How that actually works? Fist has to fit inside the frame when you turn it up and down? Right?
I really see no point in buying large tv then and then sitting far away 'cause someone said it need to be 30% of my field of view. I am sitting 40cm from my 42 inch tv and immersion in games is fantastic. There is no point in buying large tv and moving yourself far from it. If you want to perceive 80inch as 32 because of distance then buy 32inch in the first place.
@@zbyszk1234 the point of buying a larger TV is to fill a larger living room. You can have your preference on how much of your field of view you want filled with TV and then you look at your living room size and you get a tv
@@manaspradhan8041 I live in a village and everyone in my family have a small (2,5m by 3,8m )room. I have my bed , desk and tv there. Still what I mean was that tv should taking quite a lot of your field of view cause otherwise you fell like you are watching YT on your smartphone (really expensive one) and I don't think you would like to watch your phone from 5 meters.
@@zbyszk1234 yes it should take a lot of your field of view but you don't shove your face into the screen either do you? I think you don't realise how big an 86 inch TV is. That thing is probably huge. They did talk about why you don't want to sit too close in the video itself.
I have an 86" LG 955T the last of the 3D TVs that also has HDR, 4K, Dolby Vision, etc as well.
My seating position is bang on what everyone else is doing.
I have my couch, loveseat, and recliner at different distances from our 77C1 OLED from 8 -17 feet. It really depends on content and how much special effects are part of the viewing experience. Plus, I can still see the content and don't need to wear my glasses at 17 feet away (hard to see/wear my glasses when horizontal on couch).
Love videos like this where we get various LMG staff opinions. Gives viewers a better idea of what we can expect. Plus it's always great to see the team!
6:30 "Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion." lol
I did the thing holding my hand out to estimate fov, my home setup is ~30° and is just about right for me. Out of curiosity I also compared that to how close I hold my phone when I'm watching videos, and it takes up almost exactly the same footprint as my tv. Interesting.
Fun fact: that 5 feet line for the screen door effect is also where you would start noticing a relevant difference between 8K and 4K video. At any of the actual distances they were talking about 8K is indistinguishable from 4K... except when you look inside your wallet.
the perception of that is why HDR and other technologies are advertised so much. However it also isn't 100% accurate, there's a pixelworks whitepaper which said people have *at least* 50% greater visual acuity for images in motion compared to static vision tests. Interestingly this means that greater perceived image quality can be achieved with either higher resolutions or higher refresh rates. To achieve lifelike presence in VR requires both, so I hope screen tech continues to improve despite the persistent naysayers.
Thank you LMG for making sponsored content that doesn't feel like an ad and that is really engrossing and interesting
the fist thing is actually super interesting, I've never heard that
I've got a 75-inch tv on 4.5m distance and its excellent. I would have gone bigger but the sizes above 75 get absurdly expensive on the higher end.
I love how they have to include "Eyeball not to scale" in that graphic as if someone would get fooled otherwise
I've always thought Taran was simular to Sheldon Cooper. This just confirms my suspicion.
Holy shit haven’t seen Taran in forever
James always has the most entertaining videos to watch.
Hay linus will you be doing An In depth review of this TV?
I’ve never seen such a big ad for a TV
Compared to their testing setup, I like being higher up relative to the screen, so my eyes are about 2/3 of the way up the display. It feels much easier to look down on the screen than up.
Nice video! next time it would be awesome if you included measures in meters too
Haha, Taran's intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion. God I love Taran, funnily enough my numbers would probably be pretty close to him. I have a bad tendency to sit too close to the TV. If we are watching a movie, I either have to sit on the spot on the couch closest to the tv or I have to grab a lose chair to sit closer.
My biggest thing is lights on or off because immersion changes. no distraction on the sides changes distances
I wonder how different it would be for other people, older or non tech-savvy people who don't give a hoot about the specs or tech and just want to watch. Like of course if you're into the tech you're going to be looking for the different features and shortcomings but someone who doesn't can just take it in a different perspective. It would actually be cool to see not only seating distance preference but also a comparison between a handful of TVs from the uber budget to maximum awesome and see which ones the non-tech initiated prefer.
I use a 40" 4k TV as monitor. That pixel density makes it perfect for a monitor because you can sit at 2.5 feet and see no individual pixel. Only drawback is 60hz but for anything else apart from FPS games, it's perfect. And cheap.
Pleaae do a video with @DIY Perks, would be amazing to see the combination of his experience and your technical knowledge.
The human eye can only see 1080p from less than 5 feet away
justin have you been commenting lately? i haven’t seen you for ages
Whos feet? :-D Retarded „units“ much?
@@irwainnornossa4605 nice bait. Didnt work tho
It's been a while Justin, how are ya?
This is objectively false
Any one else thought that this was a tech quickie video by the thumbnail
You do a great job running your company. The quality of your production makes me WANT to watch more.
My TVs in both my living room and my game room have HTPCs connected that are frequently used with web browsers (I'm literally on youtube in chrome typing this on an 82" tv that is about 8 feet from me) so we tend to sit very close. So the deciding factor for us is what is easy to read with Windows and the DPI adjusted to be a bit larger.
*Taps forehead*
Can't sit far enough when you don't have the room or desk space to move around
This boi has notificaions on
hi
@@T1G_ap for every single youtube channel
He's real.
Woah I haven’t see you in a long time, where have you been justin?
Ah yes! The Taran Intergalactic Standard. I always abide by it.
This video is really relevant to me as I daily drive a 55" Samsung NU8500 as a monitor for work and gaming at about 30". I run it at 1440p 120 Hz. Is there a difference in immersive viewing angle when using it as a monitor and as a tv?
I just stumbled upon the Margaret sleeper build, and it got me thinking.... when are you gonna build a sleeper in the iMac G3 lol, like the colorful all in one version
I'm definitely in Tarans group. I have my projector at 120" and sit 9ft away. I think it really does come down to what you're used to and the the level of immersion you are looking for. My wife and 3 kids are all fine with that distance too and 90% of what we watch on the projector is movies.
Same. My projector screen ~105 but angle the same. Great movie experience.
Same here 120" slightly under 9.'
Yeah, that's 51 degrees. I just read that 80 degrees is the max for the human eye, which I never knew -- given how 120-160 is a real talking point (I guess, that's just marketing, or people really love to turn their necks a lot). The general 'max' is seen as 70 degrees, but 60 degrees more generally. The 'sweet spot' for closeness is 45-50 degrees.
Fun fact: at 1080p/32", watching 1080p Blu-ray, my max is 63 degrees, which is 1.5 x 15.5 (screen height; just under 2'). This is where I can see the image without seeing pixels. Any close than this and I can see pixels a little. This is the hard limit. But, 50-63 degrees is too close for me. I like anywhere from 42 to 26 degrees (3-5'), depending on a few factors. Blu-ray also looks good at 3.5 feet away (36-degree viewing angle). 4' is really the limit in terms of quality and close viewing angle, though. Anywhere from 3.5-4.5' is perfect for most films and most people. At 5', the picture quality is slightly better in many cases, but the viewing angle is 26 degrees (the hard limit for the back of any cinema). 4.5' is about 30 degrees, which is very common, too.
Damn lol
Would have loved to see also in this video the distance in which users can tell the difference between 4k and 1080p on this set :) Also side note...I sit about 12-13 feet away from a 110" screen lol but gaming is amazing at that size / distance
It would not fit in an advertisement for a 4k tv😅
I use a 43" Sony 4k tv (XBR43X88E) as my primary display for both my work and gaming pc. My face is usually 1.5-2.5 ft away from the display at any given time. Been using the setup for a few years now (started with a 55" but it was too big) and its worked very well for me. Playing Modern Warfare @ 4k w/ R7 1800X and GTX 1080FE, I get anywhere from 50-65 fps (tv is only 60 hz) and is so immersive, due to the screen taking up my primary FOV.
hey Linus I've never understood the difference between your frames per second, and your monitor refresh rate, can you please do a video on this?
Frames per second is how fast your GPU can work and refresh rate is how fast your display can work. if your GPU is rendering more frames than your refresh rate, then there are frames you aren't seeing. If your framerate is less than your refresh rate, then your system will feel sluggish or laggy. If either is out of sync with the other, you will get screen tearing which is where parts of two different frames are displayed on the screen.
Did you take into consideration that the effective size of the tv is less when viewing content with a non-native aspect ration, as far as FOV and distance calculation goes?
Might also (partly) explain the Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion.
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" that sounds immersive.
ive got a 70"+a 40" turned sideways for a total of 89" corner to corner and im 10f back and its a good size
Very interesting. Have to check my viewing angle at home.
LG sponsored this video:
Not enough local dimming zones and peak brightness not as good as the Vizio. It's hard to call an 86" tv value....
That's LTT for ya
To be fair $2800 ain't bad at all for that big chungus.
LTT says LG is worse than Vizio. Don’t buy LG according to LTT.
65" LG OLED set here and I have different distances for what I'm doing.
World of Warships, I'm about 3.5 feet from the screen with surround sound and it's AWESOME! Wish the game didn't tick me off so bad tho.
First person shooters, about 6 to 7 feet away comfortably.
Movies, 8.5 feet.
Just depends on what's being viewed.
A video on the science of why we want to be closer for gaming would be cool. When I was a kid I could never get comfortable on the couch playing games but it was fine for watching TV
yeah
Really interesting that only one person went close enough that you'd start to be able to discern the pixels on a 1080p screen... Even then, they were just barely closer than that point.