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Outside View On The 1M$ Bin site Failure
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2023
- say what you want just keep it nice. I am just talking about what ive seen online and its just an opinion. I as most of you have no personal experience in the building of this site. im just saying what ive seen. I may be wrong on all points and that's ok but im sure some will call me an asshole or you may all agree with me. I am not looking for folks to agree with me or anything else. im just expressing my opinion on a flop that I watched on TH-cam.
I’m 50 myself and I’ve been in construction 25+ years. From wiring 1100 square feet homes to 4000+ square feet custom homes& apartment complexes. Excavation jobs from highways projects, residential division, landfill & Lakes. I have also work for a general contractor and helped overseen projects. From letting schools, building in the schools, public library, police stations, community centers, and City Hall. From the start to the end. From before the dirt work even started to the opening. The one thing all the jobs have in common. Is they were all pushed to get done as fast as possible. So to me, there’s no excuse for saying they were being rushed. Crappy work is crappy work whether you do it faster slow. Taking pride, and what you doing always shows up in the end.
Totally agree! Every project has deadlines, but that doesn't mean you do sloppy substandard work. I also worked on enough projects where if something was wrong noone could wait long enough to get the the problem corrected. Just bad management and lack of accountability.
On cornstar bin site, I can't believe that a mega bin manufacturer like AGI has not sued the bin contractor's insurance company for screwing up their product display, functionality, and quality. Taking videos and pictures has nothing to do with tightening all bolts. The proper footings and cement prepping has nothing to do with videoing. The pit and auger system has nothing to do with videoing. One thing is absolute---The project was way to massive for this contractor...
I had an accidental meeting with Daddy Corn Star “Dale” in real life at a small wedding in Iowa this past summer. He was very pleasant to me and my cousin who is a farmer. We talked for 45 minutes and to me he seemed like a very nice like a genuine person. I really wanted to ask about the bin site but thought that would be inappropriate for the occasion. 😂
I used to watch all his videos but not so much these days. The clickbait is a huge turn off and is so unnecessary.
I like your opinions. Cole does have a lot of click bait and his intro is ridiculously childish, but also I am a retired engineer, one time working for the red manufacturer of Coles combine. There are basic parts of the bin site that totally lacked engineering attention, possibly because they would have cost money that would have lost them the contract. Calculations like the base, the capacity of the unloading sump drives, basics I needed to get my professional engineering license. But that brings up a point - was the system really engineered or was it, “We’ve always done it this way.” If the cameras bugged them, they should have had that in the contract. I’ve seen others say the supplier/contractor/repair shop has requested no videos of this. I do like how Cole has gone through numbers showing inputs, outputs, etc., affect the bottom line. I do find it stupid to find after 2 seasons harvesting beans and corn he learned his combine was equipped for wheat. I’m not sure I’ve watched one of Coles videos to the end although the dad talks more farm sense. I’m glad I clicked on you’re video, but the title talking about the $1million grain bin fiasco was the click bait that drew me here.
Working for a differential and driveline shop for 20 years, I had a saying that I would tell the customers. "If you stand there and watch the work get done on your car, Murphy will stand right next to you." the best way to get someone flusterd and forget to tighten bolts is sit there and talk to the while they are working, or better yet, stick a camera in their face.
The project was too big for the subcontractor AGI used. The entire project lacked construction supervision. AGI needed an on-site construction manager (CM) 'from the start, and Cornstar Farms should have employed their own CM for the project. The last project I worked on was a $253 million dollar project for a DOE national laboratory. We gave a proposal to the lab for construction management and were turned down, as the lab claimed they had people to do the work. Ten months into construction the project was shut down due to the majority of the work not conforming to the project drawings and specifications It took us three months to document the non-conforming work, and then another four months to devise a plan to get the work corrected. Construction management can either make or break a project.
We always had trouble when the owner wanted his own construction people. One job had 7 unions involved. We backed out of that one.
I concur with your assessment. I am a project manager with 38 years of experience in multiple industries, including engineering, construction, and agriculture. I watched Cole's videos and followed the progress of the project. Maybe not everyone on-site was documented in videos, but I think your analysis is likely spot-on. I *did* observe activities in those videos that really concerned me, and that I would *never* have tolerated on any project I ever managed.
As always good points , the problem the workmanship on the bin site is subpar. The site doesn’t live up to what was promised. The science on what a bin site should work like is not a secret,you don’t need to reinvent the wheel. Just copy a working plan and repeat
Skilled labor isn't cheap, and cheap labor isn't skilled.
When I saw daddy cornstar walking up on the catwalks it was obviously dangerous, whoever did the install should be held accountable, camera or no camera. That is pure sorry Work.
They loosened them themselves
I do believe zach (millennial farmer) has learned from coles mistake of keeping a camera in the face of independent contractors. When they had new work done after their storm went through, he kept his distance and let the guys work. He did video clips after hours when the guys were gone. Let those guys have their privacy and let them keep focused on the job.
On the other hand, i do remember cole sharing frustration that the contractors were taking longer for certain parts of the project than ehat they said it would take. As a builder myself, people dont like it if we tell them one timeline and then work at a different pace.
I knew the concrete was gonna fail from the beginning. Way to much prep site buildup, minimal compacting going on. Rain. Little rebar being added. I didn't trust it for a moment but thats from looking through a camera lens so all of my opinions can be thrown out the window as i wasnt there.
Thats a bummer reguardless of whos at fault because its a mess to deal with...
Well let's face it, Zach is being respectful an letting the. Contractors work, an he probably knew not to do that anyways, but Cole was disrespectful to them guys, he's a clown, I blame him for it, hes all about attention, I like what you said though
Me too I never believed somebody would actually do such a cheap job
The cat walk on that sight is just wrong. It dead ends and got to climb over the railing to get to the next walk. It is pretty sad.
Cracking of pit concrete is on the earthwork contractor. Crushed stone to be considered compacted only need an excavator bucket run over it to be considered compacted that didn’t happen,I would imagine round stone needs more work. None of the loose material was compacted , also the moisture has to be right if to dry or to moist that also presents problems.
The most important issue was not hiring a qualified project manager, one with experience would have caught allot if not all the issues from the very beginning before construction even started. They did not have the back ground to to manage the build themselves. When spending a million on project you want to know that it is done right once not have to sort shit out in a court room.
As a contractor for 40 years the biggest change in construction is all the labor is subcontracted which gives the contractor far less headaches but much less control over quality control. I would guess the bin site contractor had more work lined up then his usual subcontractors could get done and he hired a second subcontractor that was not nearly as good or had a proven track record. And the bin site contractor didn't like getting harassed by the Corn Star Family and just let the subcontractors go unsupervised. I have learned in my old age never take on more work then my usual subcontractors can get done and visit every job site everyday. Also people shouldn't hire a contractor that has never built anything or done any work himself so he understands when something is being done incorrectly he can spot a problem and fix it before it's too late.
True story. You obviously know what you’re talking about. Cole’s communication with people on site was normally pretty positive until it was obvious the project was way behind schedule. The contractor was obviously cutting corners trying to complete the project.
My impression also was a complete lack of supervision and basically leaving a group of subcontractors on their own to work together and magically make it all happen. Will be interesting to see how things shake out. It’s just not plausible that a 24 year old farmer “pushing” on subcontractors for being behind was the cause of this mess. The general contractor ran this project into the ground. The manufacturer obviously didn’t properly vet the contractor chosen to install their product. The engineering was either very poor or not followed by the general contractor or their subs. There is no excuse for a family ending up with a bin site like this one.
The ones that will win are the lawyers
👍👍Nobody wins BUT the lawyer
Billable hours are undefeated.
You know, Millennial Farmer Zach is real good about staying out of contractor’s faces on the farm. Unless they want to be on camera.
Yes it is just common sense. something the little mouth has none.
When Cole tried to sell jars of dirt to pay for his million pound bin site that’s when I felt his Chanel changed and not for the good
“Now it’s none of my business…….” but let me weigh in
An older relative asked me to get her onto a home makeover show on network television about 10 years ago. I did some online research and found that they were looking for specific people to help who would bring viewership and were happy and bubbling with enthusiasm to make helping them more interesting.
That’s the enthusiasm and sense of urgency that Cole the Cornstarch brings to his videos. It’s frenetic and unreal, in my opinion. Wes, on the other hand, confronts everyday life with resolve towards getting the work done. Cole goes on vacation to Las Vegas (been there, done that) which bores me. Wes goes on vacation to the Philippines and I get to see rice harvested! A busman’s holiday, but fascinating.
I watch Cole once or twice a year now, but I seldom miss an OLF episode. I can relate to Wes. It’s not an act. 👍
Not watching cole since he wanted us to buy bottles of dirt. Come on man
The selling of dirt was pretty pathetic. Also, asking subscribers to donate to the church, only to come back and say the original ask was low, and that they needed more was right up there too.
When you switched to only part width of your header cutting and calculating your yield, did you change in the setup portion the narrower cut width of header? If you do not set to the narrower cut width, the monitor still calculates yield based on the wider width, thus yield will be lower. Those New Holland series of combines are good machines.
yes I did
I agree there is error on both sides. Cole and the family should have setup the contract more like a true industrial job. Commission systems starting at the unload area and working toward the final bin. Setting up each system and commissioning them as they go let’s you ensure everything is working properly, get you partial use of the site as things progress, and allows both the contractor and the owner monitor process of meeting the schedule. This allows addressing overages as they occur and manage them going forward.
There was one major issue they found with the unload system where all of the augers were pointed in the same direction under the adjacent bin.
Not being a farmer, but working in industrial construction there are always things you find along the way. Even repeat building of the same thing you always find changes with every one.
I would really like, to see you expand your facility. I could see you with an offload pit, auger or leg and several bins. Super bins seem to be the norm now, but smaller I believe could have advantages as you are not putting all the eggs in one basket to spoil together.
I watch Cole all the time and I appreciate the added effort by Cole and his family to make their videos entertaining and real. I am from Iowa and maybe that has something to do with it too. Anyways, as far as their bin site problems go, the lawyers will have to figure that out in court. So I'm not gonna judge Cole or his family one way or another. I just want them to keep sharing their vids so I have some really enjoyable content to watch. I feel like they are family in a very extended way, and btw I enjoy watching this channel too.
I think the judgement will be on the horrible performance of the general contractor in the end!
@@Nobody-Nowhere-USA I actually agree with you.
From what I have seen of the situation, and what they have said, the corn stars are very particular, and as it’s not exactly what it is specified it’s wrong, biggest mistake is the reception pits but on the flip side, the cornstars have mentioned that they have sued building companies before and won. Says it all.
when your foundation is breaking apart on your wet bin? As someone that has poured bin floors that shouldn't be happening.
Yeah there after money, I can't stand Cole, he's a little kid wanting attention, I don't blame the builders, if there's a camera in your face an someone bugging you to hurry, mistakes are gonna get made, he's a kid that's young an hasn't grown up yet
@@Krisb193 it can happen if the cornstars were pushing the contractor to get it done and they poured mud on un-compacted subgrade or they poured concrete when it was not ideal.
Cole the clickbait king.
Wes. Even if Cole was pushing that regularly happens. And would have been the bin builders management to address. That being said in my day we had customers come out talk and take pictures not video 24x7. My biggest concern isnt the operation of the site its the lack of complete safety rails ect up top. Cant beleive the bin company walked off from that part. Great discussion. Enjoy your content
I agree.
If I were the contractor I’d charge high end because of how annoying the persona is and i think it’s hard for a lot of people to take orders from someone younger and more successful 😂
Sorry, I am the f..k..g customer, I give you money for doing your Job right (money that I have to work hard for and have to pay back to the Bank) and not deliver this crap even if the contractor got pissed off at some point, there is no damn reason to no fulfill the job you are being paid for. There is a German saying " Der Kunde ist König " means the customer is king. Just imagine someone from the cornstar family or any family falls to death while being on the bin site ... what is the contractor doing than. Besides, to make it clear the contractor could have said in the beginning that he or his employees don't want to be recorded while doing the job.
DWWSWWD! Our company motto! Do What We Say We Will Do! Our reputation is on how a job is left. We operate on 90% repeat business
@noneofyourbusiness1990 lol. Customer is king 😂😂
I tried so hard to get Cole not to build that when he did I emailed him put messages on every video DM every social media account. The only people that were working during the pandemic were the people unqualified because all the qualified people could afford to stay home. I’ve been dealing with this for the past three years fixing shotty, shitty workmanship, because nobody had the patience to wait so these companies went out and hired the bottom of the barrel.
I am not familiar with the bin situation because I have never watched their videos, sounds like that they have a problem, I feel like you do Wes but that is just my opinion, I like the way that you run your operation straight up and to the point, good to see the combine doing a good job, from some of the videos I have seen they would like to have some yields like you are having, I enjoyed this video, have a good rest of the harvest!!
Yep.. we had a ton of accidents and fatalities during those years, too. Shutting down the economy cost so many lives, so much money, and so much of our productivity.
1000% yes. I run a welding shop in Illinois, I ran into the same problem. I would subcontract to other companies to do millwright work. And some of the guys working along side us had no experience and would fail a drug or even breathalyzer test.
When you want something done in the worst possible way -- that is generally what you get.
If one was to go back and watch the build (are they still available?) on his channel and then watch Larson Farm bin build well there's your answer. A third party inspection at every stage or even a construction manager would have been money well spent.
I quit watching Cole when he tried selling his dirt.......wow.....just wow
Yes the mouth and to top it off the bin begging was the final straw for me.
Your voice and demeanor are much easier on my ears and brain after a long day than the Cornstars.
I’m unable to watch Cole. My blood pressure and sanity can not tolerate more then 45 seconds of him.
10:12 - His Name in Dale Langebau . btw I live in Poland and it was easy to me find him. Cheers
It will be interesting to see the judgement and summary of the court case after it is done, to be honest I prefer his dads channel as while he may be a lot... well a fair bit older than myself I find Cole's style rather jolting with no flow but each to their own and his demographic who he would rightly want to target is likely at least half my age.
It has got to be a frustrating situation to be in it was frustrating enough for us when it took 10 months from the scheduled start date to put up a steel barn only for them have to come back after finding they hadn't bolted the stanchions at the ends to the rafters.
One of the reasons I find myself drawn to the US videos is the differences as here most crops are stored in barns akin to Andy's "Farming, Fixing and Fabrication" silage bunks but roofed and sided with pedestal fans being placed into cool the crops and control moisture where its then scooped out of via a payloader or telehandler into the trucks with half a dozen bucket loads.
Some of it I believe is down to how bins are taxed here compared to shed some because they can then be used for other things when empty.
There was an interesting debate on the pros and cons some time ago on The Farming Forum but it did surprise me how many seemed to think you all still used 4 inch augers even on 50,000 bushel bins that it would take hours to fill a semi.
Ignoring any differences in costs I'd still likely go barn if it was me for the same reason I'd go bunk rather than HarvestStore because I absolutely hate heights, love flying but I hate climbing on the roof of our old pig buildings which are only 15ft to the apex tall
I just can’t tolerate cole and his childish over dramatic videos. I prefer the type of video that you produce that is real farmers doing real farmer things. When I tried to watch his videos there were some technical things in there. But I like many others that watch you don’t care about how many millions of dollars he spends getting new equipment or talking about the 50k tires he “bought” for his tractor. Essentially clickbait on every video is a no no for me. If you do collaborate with him please talk some sense into him and explain to him that he is no longer a child and needs to stop acting like he is dumb. Thank you and keep up the good work
That's where I'm at. Corn star is 100% click bait. Even the bin site drama is click bait.
Hell for all I know the whole bin site drama is staged for TH-cam. Okay probably not, BUT the way everything else is click bait...
His dad is a easier person to watch
I could watch him at the beginning but haven't watched his videos in years Larson farms and MN farmer produce much better videos
@@durflinger92 mn farmer is relatable to real life
Cole throws out to much financial information about his operation. It’s funny how much money he loses every year but he is able to keep updating equipment. You can’t build a bin site like that in 5 months and expect it to be right. If I remember correctly they didn’t start on that project until June and was putting grain in it by late October?
i agree with you 110% with this hole video. Cole just learned something the vary costly way that us older people just know.(i am 60) i run my own shop out of a small garage i repair different things. to put it simple if you come in my shop screaming and saying you need something fixed right now well 1 of 2 thing will happen. you pay me 4x my normal rate as a asshole tax or you go home and find someone else to fix your junk.
What's a "hole video..."? I didn't know videos had holes...
Competent, credible bin builders DO NOT compromise their standards because the customer films them or pushes them... There's liability, there's the guilt and anxiety associated with safety hazards, and there's CHARACTER! Cole the Cornstar has done wonders educating the average American about all that's involved in farming corn and soybeans. Good on him! To accuse Cole of causing professionals to "get revenge" is ridiculous. You are wrong about the contract -- change orders had to be signed by both parties and attached to the original contract. You are straddling the fence. Why? I'm thinking you are weak because you're conflict-averse. Mumble, mumble, mumble. Aw, shucks, why don't we all just hold hands and sing KumBaYah? You aren't more mature than Cole, Sir.
Anybody is more nature than Cole and you just hear Cole's side where he never shows his wrong side good Christian as he is sueing other people he'll definitely never make it too heaven by taking revenge instead of forgiving
Everyone on here talking about how a camera would make you flustered. I'm a truck driver, I deal with camera's all the time and messing up a job because I got flustered is never a valid excuse. I'm floored that anyone would even consider that. That bin site is completely on the contracts, I don't see how Cole and family should have known to biuld in increments or to hire a CM. I wouldn't have. I would have relied on the contractor to tell me that needed to be done.
If one of them falls off the bin while working, that's gonna be another massive lawsuit.
I can’t stand any channel that has to put a dollar amount of what they spent in the title of their videos. That whole channel comes off really childish and strange. There are plenty of other channels that have built grain bins. Those creators simply put up a camera and let a time lapse capture the work. If you stay in a contractors face you will not get a quality job.
Wes, from what I saw watching all the bin site construction videos the Cornstars got screwed over royally by the contractor. I don't think it was really intentional on his part, I think he was just out of his depth and doesn't have a clue what foundations and steel erection of that scope involves.
Cole's biggest mistake was not setting the contract up as an escrow contract. Usually 1/3 of the money is down for the start, then another third is paid out as work is completed, the final third is only paid out after the job is finished and all aspects meet final requirements. Once you pay out a contractor, it's hard to get their attention to fix any problems that pop up.
The other thing I would have done, would have been to hire a third party structural engineer to over see the construction. The foundations I saw being built were vastly deficient. Not nearly enough rebar, rebar of the wrong type and wrong spacing. The cast columns for the grain leg and the over head catwalk design are criminal.
Well said.
No Construction Superintendent. Never did see anyone leading the effort.
From the beginning they had no exact plan. They seemed to be working from a napkin drawing.
But Cole saw everything being done he should have said something he's just bad if not worse than the contractor
@@Mygirlfriend3141 I could be wrong, but I don't think Cole is a structural engineer.
@@steamfan7147 and the guy was 22 when this all started.
Cole will have trouble getting contractors in the future if he destroys that firm !
No, because no contractor ever goes in planning on doing a crap job…
No he won't people.gotta.eat
In fact I’d be willing to bet he’s had a handful of offers to step in and repair what has already been done..
@@GRANITEMONUMENT Yes, because a really well done repair job would be all over U tube, and the fixers would be swamped with work.
I thought Cole came off as obnoxious and that first impression turned me away.
My dad was a carpenter but he could do anything from replace a hot water heater to rebuild a stone wall in a barn to fine cabinetry. He always over bid and under billed. There were times however where the customers needed to do something to make a job turn out right but they wouldn't spend the money to do it.
Take for instance the slab for the hopper bin, when they poured that slab on video, I could see that the footing’s were not even close to what was needed for that size of bin and the base was not excavated and packed enough either. Cole watched all of this and he knew what was needed because he was the one that tore out the old pad that it sat on and it took him days to remove it. One could see that that pad would fail immediately and it did. When you do a project like that you need to do a little research and planning ahead of time so you can recognize when things don’t like right and if you don’t have that knowledge find someone who does. There are always a retired contractor or engineer that’s willing to oversee a big project like that one. I think that Cole was the general contractor on at least part of the project so he has some responsibility too. And don’t forget Cole applied for the cheap government loan that if anyone has done that you know it adds a year to any project at minimum. You probably remember that they couldn’t start the project on time because the paperwork was not completed, at that point it should’ve been pushed back a year and that is all on Cole. Anyone that has done a project like this could see all the potential problems popping up and knew that it was going to be a disaster 😂😂😂😂
You say about knowing because of seeing the old 1….
There are a lot of people that could get slapped in the face and not know what to look for seeing a hand coming at them the next time just no practical common sense, those also tend to be the people that bitch and moan when it goes wrong
Watch how Larson's did all the prep work for their new bin and how long it took vs the just dig and pour that cole did. Cole thought he knew how bins where built because he had put them up before, as he said on video. He got in way over his head.
Interesting theory, contractor was clout chasing, and then messed everything up because he was getting what he wanted. But it's partly cole's fault.
I agree with you. He also should of done more research and toured other bin sites to see how they worked like Larson Farms or Zake Johson's farm and done it slowly. I hope he makes it
I dont think that pit will ever work. Every other 1 that has that capacity has 2 unload augers instead of just 1. Think the mfg tried and experiment on cornstars set up that isnt working.
@@ericwendlandt7808 he mentioned in a video he had an 8000 bushel per hour pit and a 6000 bushel per hour leg, that motor in the pit is ment to run at 8000 dry bushel per hour they have slowed the motor down to accommodate the leg, those motors arnt ment to be slowed and work the same, it would be like putting an undersized motor, doesn’t have the power needed to run that auger so it’s burns belts off
I have read through some of the comments below and see a lot of great points. But the one that stands out to me above others and rings in my mind when I watch cornstar videos is.. set aside sub contractors, and manufactures for a second. Who ever was the engineer on the bin site project is the number one person to hold accountable ( I don't remember if it was the bin manufacture who provided this service or not.) {unless the blue prints were not followed to the engineered specification.}But the actual equipment works as it should, disagree if you like, but they have no problems with the bins, the leg, or any equipment that cannot be directly connected to engineering flaws. The pit augur ( which is a design issue they have even made light of with two half of the pit coming together to one point by augurs in the center), the failing foundation, and even in one video the placement of an unload on a bin in relation to another are design issues by whoever produced the blue prints for the site. A project of that size should have employed a foreman other than one of the cornstars to make sure things were done the way they should have been and no corners were cut. and as previously mentioned, if this was the responsibility of the manufacture then the cornstar family should have stepped up and made a call or had language in the contract stating how often such an inspector was to be onsite. As for the poor workmanship and flaws in welds, failing safety rails due to improper tightening or unsecure fastening, and walkways being secure falls back on the sub contractors but would have had their work overseen by a foreman or inspector trained to identify such problems. I just hope for the cornstar family that some kind of decision is reached to give them a safe and properly working bin site.
I also agree things needed to be done in stages to get all the ducks in a row to help the site to be used to its maximum potential. The grain dryer for example is a bottle neck on the site that should have been address before or in the initial planning of the site. This year they were slowed by the dryer and its capabilities. regardless of wet storage combing at the number of bushels per hour they do would have eventually caused the same set back as experienced this season. In my opinion if you plan a project your production rate should never be able to overrun the rate of whatever one of the final processes are to reach an end product. I know that this is impossible when drying corn usually as the harvest rate in always very fast, but drying at 300 bushels an hour when combining at several thousand bushels an hour is a very easily correctable issue from the start.
From what i understand, they were promised the binsite would be ready in plenty of time for harvest... they did other "quick jobs" when they were supposed to have started the cornstar project. That said, i agree with you on the rest
I enjoyed hearing another down home honest opinion about their failures.
To me .. Regardless the work done was shoddy at best..
you might be right having that constant pressure of phone calls and annoyance might have amplified their desire to just "get out of there".
My opinion is in the middle ... Contractor was overbooked, hired sub-contractors who normally aren't as busy and need supervision..
Personal thoughts are they hired subs who were over their heads.. Big difference building a 15,000 bushel versus 150,000 ..
Corners were cut (Easiest to see is they poured concrete with too little bags and way too wet to top it off poor site preparations..)
I agree with you slowing down and working in phases might have been a better way .. good advise looking forward
They had 2 bids on the binsite . They went with the cheapest guy . Poor pad prep it was a Cut and fill job with no sheep's foot or drum roller . The bin contracter reminded me of a Used car salesman on the bad side of town . It kinda there fault for going cheap and picking a screw ball
Regarding Cole’s bin site, he did a video explaining the financial justification for it. The justification was not very good. The payback period was multiple decades if I remember correctly.
I would assume AGI kicked something in for it, an amount that can not be mentioned, legally. It would have been great publicity, if it had went well.
I've watched a few of Cole's videos and wasn't impressed. He hasn't reached a level of maturity yet to be a man. Too much over dramatic BS and wanting to be the Star. He really would do well to step back and take the time to grow as a man before he gets to far away from reality. Formal education doesn't make you smart. I know a lot of farmers who are very successful and don't even have an 8th grade education but are extremely wise about farming and farm business. Youth can hinder success.
Just wondering how many rounds can you make with an all electric combine?
Maybe would be perfect for a garden
I think the built what they needed as far as bushels and designed it to add more bins as they grow, I agree with building big bins instead of ending up with a bunch 20,000 bu bins by the end of your career, and once you get bins that big filling with an auger really isn’t an option so the leg was needed and why your there might as well tie the dryer in. The house they built to hold the electrical boxes was just a waste of money. The biggest mistake I thin he has made was he bought all that Gravle and just spread it on top of the top soil, around here that would be pushed down into the dirt and you will just end up with mud.
They did phase it and left a lot of room for future expansion for several more bins, a new dryer, etc. You are saying you’re not criticizing, but then go on to criticize a lot.
the only phase I see it a total tear down and redo. I hope the next go around they keep Cole and his camera away so the men can work un fettered.
Its a lot of folks out there don’t take the time to realize how blessed they are to be healthy and happy in the day. It is just taken for granted.
Wouldn't your monitor be calibrated to a certain width header? So if you're only using half the header will the yield be accurate? That low yield just doesn't seem right..
Regardless of whether or not you like Cole, he got screwed. Cole is a farmer, not a construction company. When I pay someone to do something I expect them to do the work correctly. Nothing that Cole has said or done (whether he films the work or criticizes it) changes that. The construction company didn't do the work they agreed to. Specifically what they failed to do can be worked out in court. If they did the work they agreed to then Cole would be heaping praise on them.
All coles videos are click bait IMO. But that Bin site they approved from design out and then complained about the design from the point it was turned over to them. I feel like they have problems because of them, whether it be the bin site or his house or the combine. They are getting too big too fast and don't have the experience to run the way they do properly.
They weren’t rushed, they were not keeping to the timeline that was part of the bid. That’s all Cole was having an issue with. And if you’re going to half a$$ you’re workmanship just to make a point against your client, that pretty unprofessional and petty. Also, as you pointed out, the exposure should have ensured they would do the job right. Seems you have more of a personal issue with the Corn stars.
Yes Wessley I heard the cab corn😂 that voice had me in stitches.
I worked in an industry where customers were often under great stress and doing a half ass job would possibly cause physical harm. So if the customer is difficult you do quality work so you sleep well.
The Cornstar bin site problems are either design or construction issues. If you saw how rickety the handrails are on the top of the bins, I would not allow ANYONE to go up there. They would not support any weight. How can that be the owners fault? Same way with the bin concrete slab failure or equipment not meeting the proposed feeding capacity. These are failures of design and no pointing of cameras is going to cause those failures.
I don't want to point out that a lot of things went on off camera. I am a creator and I know sometimes in sensitive situations the camera goes off and stuff happens when its off. as for the railing its deplorable at best. but was it? or did it become that way when the camera was off. im not saying it did im just saying we only show what we want you to see. but to make a case more in your favor things may have gotten worse for when the camera was running. trust me it happens and it happens a lot by people that you wouldn't expect would be capable of it. ive seen it with my own eyes.
The job Cole and Zach are doing is for the non farmer. You guys get the over drama but it's also helping us non farmers to see that farming is more than done guy in ripped up jeans and a pick up delivering corn to a vegetable stand on the highway. I've been watching several farmers for several years now, my respect has done nothing but grown for the farmer. I'm sixty so I've seen some things in my life my father was born and raised in Alabama when the only job was farming but watching these older farmers changing with the times is the most amazing part of my watching. From tractors with no cab to setting gps coordinates in a million dollar machine that now is larger than the trucks that haul their grain. SO THANX TO THE GUYS WHO ARE WILLING TO OVER DRAMATIZE WHAT THEY DO TO KEEP PEOPLE LIKE ME LEARNING AND HAVING APPRECIATION FOR THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S PEOPLE
The video Cole put out a little while back, about the spacing of corn plants and/or gaps in between corn and soybean was really informational, I give him Really big kudos for putting that all together
me too
Border View Farms, th-cam.com/video/M-0QuyXTnV8/w-d-xo.html Gives a very good explanation Of crop population, fertilizer rates and fungicides. He is very informative.
Rumor is the trial in next spring. If the constars lose the land with the bins goes to Sheriff sale. $300,000 withheld from the contractor. Nonone wins in court, except the lawyers...
On the bin site: it was built during the chaos of the pandemic. Material shortages, questionable available labor, logistical issues,and as you mentioned prices were skyrocketing during the build and after the quotes. Then you toss in a kid with a camera screaming at you daily to hurry up. I'm retired now but when I owned a manufacturing company and a customer was blowing my phone up about ship dates I would reach a point and simply cancel their order. Life's too short to deal with wingnuts irritating me.But I'm not renowned for my level of patience. But: in retirement I'm pretty freaking mellow. Feels good.
Biggest stressor in my life is remembering what day it is.
It’s a contest between Cole the cornstar and Hartung Family Farms on who can create the best clickbait title.
Yes I long since quit watching both.
Hartung is pretty hard on the brain
I agree 100% with your views and I've always noticed Col never does wrong it always the machinery manufacturers , suppliers and contractors that always 🤬 up and never him !! And it's always about him and his farm always me and me
yep and he still needs diapers changed,.
This is EXACTLY why I watch this channel !!!!! THANKS Wes..
I enjoy watching your channel as well as others. One channel I especially enjoy is the Grumpy Farmer. He expeesees his feelings regardless as to what what others think. He has a New Holland combine. He's been having problems with the computer on the combine
. He's had newer software installed Two men from New Holland headquarters came to help resolve his issues.
I am not really interested In the computer on the combine as I am really just interested in what goes to the mill. nothing in between matters. as long as its clean enough and not throwing it on the ground im good.
My guess is the contractor had too many jobs in line due to the big winds that wrecked many farms in Iowa that year including Cole's. The contractor made promises on the schedule he could not keep, put pressure on his workers and with a harvest needing to put up or sold, the Cornstars did what most people do when the product is late. They complained! All things considered, it seems parts of it were bad design and shoddy work. If it had been a normal construction year, the contractors would have been on time and did a better job.
Exactly! The urgency increased as the schedule slipped and the next harvest was due. We will see if the original design was deficient or it wasn't built per the plans and specs. Having an onsite bin inspector would have been beneficial but obviously, added cost. I would like to know the experience of the bin site designers. As was mentioned by others, some equipment seems under designed/ under engineered. There is a video, where a bin door at the top cannot be opened due to the safety railing. How does the happen and why was it left that way?
@@steveo4749 I knew that site would not be completed in time. It was not started near early enough. Plus I think business had enough trouble getting help. Good chance they had enough new employees on site. So pushing them to get the bin site done. Makes bad work. I have helped put up smaller bins myself. On my farm. Like others have posted. Put up the leg dump and one big bin first. Then add the second bin the next year. As far as someone’s Coles age being the general contractor. That is just crazy. You could blame the contractor for not putting the under floor augers in the right spot. They had to change that. So you could pull the augers out. That’s something an experienced general contractor would catch. Plus Cole messed up the height to fit trucks under the mid bin unload pipes. He Even admitted the bin builders did not know they were going to add a bunch of gravel next to the bin. Making the semis to high.
Honestly, I can't stand them 3...
I think Cole's main problem is lack of education. I have been in farming for over 60 years and think having a degree in Ag economics does not provide that much education in real farming! Learning to learn is the best thing a degree gives.
As young as he is part of the problem. They say to start working for yourself 37 is a good age one you have enough experience and you are more financially secure.
He'll get an education working on the farm. What college can do, is teach you how to think, solve problems, and condense rudimentary experience into a specific curriculum. What it can't do is give you life experience which you can only accumulate over time. Cole could pay college tuition or he can pay for the mistakes he's making - either way he can learn and it all costs money. A degree in agricultural economics is NOT about farming, it is about identifying and analyzing costs and making choices to minimize costs and maximize profits. You are the one conflating a specific degree with farming and not the person with the degree.
I think it puffed up his ego and he thought he could teach the old man how to do things, the old man and gramps never would have borrowed like that. phase by phase was correct. @@buckhorncortez
@@buckhorncortez absolutely critical thinking skills.
Lack of experience too. I realize that he was raised on the farm but operating farm machinery does not do much to prepare a boy for making management decisions and supervising a crew. As much as I like his dad I think he gave Cole more authority and responsibility than the boy was ready to handle. It always annoys me when Cole talks about "my" farm, combine, tractor & "I" bought, borrowed, sold, etc. It seems like he forgot that he didn't earn any of these things, they were given to him.
Ill be honest from my experience working in a agriculture based mill the contractors companies send to install equipment and machinery are sub par to a exteme degree generally we have to go behind everything they do because its left loose put together wrong and so on. Watching there bin site video nothing surprises me cause thats just what we expect with commercial contractors where i work. Our local contractors are the only quality work we get from outside.
Cole understands how to entertain the younger generation. It's why he gets the views and clicks. It's why the Chiefs are getting the ratings they're getting... because Taylor is there and making it more than just sports. MLB hasn't figured this out... and as older generations die off, very few young people want to enjoy 3.5 hours of pure, traditional baseball. There are too many things trying to catch our attention these days. Fox and CNN blow the PBS News Hour out of the water in ratings.... why? They don't just give the news... they make it entertaining. If you want RAW news.... watch the PBS News Hour. I challenge you to get through the hour without playing with your phone. Basically, Cole gets the direction that entertainment is going in. He'd be a hell of a TV producer.
Cole entertainment the stupid ignorant city slickers
I agree. I almost never watch their channel. They drive me nuts.
Cole should have never built that bin site. They had land for sale beside them that would have been 3x better investment than the bin site and the combine. To each their own tho. God bless them and wish them the best regardless
I feel the same way wes. Stage one pit leg and one bin. Stage two new dryer and one bin. Kinda bit off more than you can chew type of thing. I can't believe the builder would do such a crap job. Knowing thousands of people....people in there territory would see it. I'm guessing a lot of customers lost.
Cornstarch should have hired A construction inspector to make sure it was completed correctly. I would hope that there was a complete date included in the contract and a performance bond. No one likes to work for somebody that keeps jabbing to get the job done. I've seen contractors slow the job down but still completed by the date originally agreed on jut to piss off this type of owner.
I appreciate your perspective but when they started the job they knew the time line. They, the contractor blew the time line. He pushed but pushed to make them honor the time line.
Reputable builders do quality work, end of subject. That build was anything but. Stuff misaligned, not welded right, poorly built all around.
In the end the contractors insurance will have to pay abs the cornstarch will struggle to find another contractor to do the work for fear of the exposure.
there are delays in every thing we do. weather supply issues workers quality of the worker. now when you push a low quality worker with a limited supply of whatever. even if there is a deadline its not good to go gonzo on them for not making it. like I said in the video its both parties fault. but if I had a camera in my face when im stressed out for not getting it done id be pissed off. a little understanding would have gone a long way. on both sides. now the cornstarch has to deal with what I personally think should be a complete teardown and redo of the site.
I get your point - to an extent. I think the bottom line is low quality craftsmanship and wanting to be off the job. On more than one occasion I’ve gotten crap work out of a contractor because he over ran one job and it pushed into his start time for the next. Which they in turn started, stopped, then came back to finish mine in the worst possible way. I can see something similar here. He was over committed and sent his C team to do the finish work.
Well if the cornstars done the site prep right and they even had the build set back said in a video and his stupid ass running around I'm younger then Cole and have more respect for people and have build bins and it takes 2 years plus to do it right so yeah Cole fucked himself
The fact that your honest about your life is what makes your channel so great. Your exactly right about making do with what you have on a farm.
I appreciate your take on the cornstars. Most of us aren’t farmers but, I think you’re correct about workers with cameras in their faces.
I wonder how he’s going to sue the contractor on the $7000 mansion.
Rushed or not, to do shoddy work like that is inexcusable. Somebody could be killed the way the safety equipment was built. Shi*** concrete work, bins you can't fill. In my opinion that company should not ever be allowed to build anything again.
I couldn't agree more. but there is more to that story.
But they're prep work was extremely poor so if everything moves as the ground does nothing will work mostly Cole's fault
@@Mygirlfriend3141 If the prep work was poor shouldn't the builders have recognized that & not started the build?
@@thedonleroy it is two sided thing like every page has two sides
I am sitting here listening to you and reading comments and one thing strikes me. I will say I didn't read every comment, but everything you said and I read was first and foremost civil. Everything is clearly stated as opinion and reasonable discussion. Glad I stumbled upon this.
The last combine I ran was a 6600 JD with none of the computer stuff. All though it would be a great feature to have auto steer.
I am curious what the cost difference would be between your different varieties you've planted on your test plot VS. say what they actually produced. It can be said they may have produced more or less but how could we know if those costs (if any) are worth justifying?
Cole is utterly annoying. Nothing but Clikbait. Really lost credibility with me when he was e begging to sell dirt vials!
You're right. You don't know the details. Yet you still have an opinion. Nor do I. However, there are certain principles that you consider "normal" that are unacceptable to most people that run projects.
Pushing people to get work done by a contract deadline is not intentionally "pissing them off". IF that is the case, those workers should be ashamed of themselves for doing unprofessional work. The Cornstars were promised certain performance guidelines and they are nowhere near that. Whose fault is that? The people who designed the system, the people who built the system, or the people who bought the system?
Do they each have some responsibility in the situation? Probably. But things falling apart after 2 years and them running at 1/3 of the capacity they were promised is utterly unacceptable.
I have the same thoughts as you.. i have not watched his channel for a while..i hate when someone brags on their finacial status.. and he is the reason that site is failing.. i nolong watch or respect him anymore
Hi, lonely farmer. You are one of the best farmer channels on TH-cam. I watch once in a while. Cole the cornstar. What a clown show he's got.Good luck, and God bless with harvest from across the pond in Great Britain.
I've been in the construction business for over 30 years. Specifically in a finish trade. We show up towards the end of a job when the schedule is already off. We only do industrial and commercial projects (no residential). We are almost always pushed hard and asked to work overtime hours etc... On many large projects cameras are installed and recording. Being filmed shouldn't intimidate or irritate a professional. I totally disagree with your point about Cole being partially responsible for attempting to push the project. Professional contractors are skilled at handling customer input and expectations that could impact providing a quality project. Cole and his family will ultimately prevail after the builder has exhausted all of the legally available stalling tactics. And I hope Cole sees it through to the point where all cost's and impacts to the farm are collected.
How The f*** do you support Cole
As for loading out of a building, I’m from the uk, and the farm where I work stores 8000 metric tonnes on floor, not a problem with blowing floors and the building itself is more versatile in the sense of once it’s empty it can be machine storage or something else, we also have a 1000 ton bin, and it is great too, but if the conveyor breaks your screwed, with flat floor if the loader breaks we use the other one, if that breaks it’s not a specialised machine to buy or borrow.
I agree with a lot of what you said except for the sub standard work. I have worked in new construction for many years and every homeowner pushes to get into their new home. Holidays are the worst because they like to use these dates as deadlines. Regardless, a good contractor will not break from their pattern to build a quality product to appease the new owner because they want future business. Long story short, regardless of the push Cole should have been told that it’s done when it’s done to the contractors liking. In the end both of them would have been happy.
As a contractor myself you are right on. I tell my buyers if I miss a closing date you'll be pissed at me for a couple weeks, if I screw your house up you'll be pissed at me forever.
I watched the whole bin build. The ground is the reason the concrete is all broke up. Not the builder's fault.
No matter how shitty the client may be. It's no excuse to half ass a job, and any good contractor will confirm that. a lot of the time a contractors job is to protect the client from there own stupidity
yes I agree with that as well. now you have to ask yourself is this stuff falling off the bin on its own or is there some off camera stuff going on?
I would think with a lawsuit in the works one would have to be careful not to end up in a counter suit for defamation.
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I think the biggest obstacle the cornstars face is Cole himself. He doesn’t have the experience necessary to understand the risks involved in farming. He seems to think if he enters average numbers in the computer and it adds up to a profit he should do it. No other business has the wild swings in revenues like farming. A real farmer knows you need to take your average projections and then throw in a large risk premium to see if it still makes sense. Daddy cornstar is the one guy in this operation that should know better and slow Coles roll.
daddy cornstar is either a drunk or a mental case
I have to say the kind of guys who worked on barns with me all those years ago, would have had Cole working on the other side of the farm in short order !
I agree 100% I don’t know y the contractor just doesn’t go over and fix it, some of it just looked like bolts needed to be put in handrails, of course u have to remember on coles channel everything is exaggerated but he is irritating and can u imagine him in ur face all day with a camera
They actually did have phases in place. Cole made a video on that. Do i gree with how they started the expansion? No, but they did have the plans and the future plans are to triple the size of the setup.