Blaming Gates for this long process when it's the government that created it and is trying to manufacture something to hang him on. It's all so ridiculous. Microsoft is like any other big company, and like IBM before it, is waning.
@Igor Dvorzhak If you felt you were being unjustly sued, and an attempt to break up the company you'd spent your life to build, I supposed you'd willing offer all sorts of helpful information?
Well, I understand him. I think of those type of things as a "header" or "footer", perhaps a timestamp if there is a recognizable time. I certainly wouldn't think of them as a "stamp" without enough context
What's worse than talking to a lawyer who believes they understand technology but has no clue? Talking to a government lawyer who believes they understand technology but has no clue.
compliments to this channel for posting the whole deposition. This whole exchange is fascinating. two brilliant minds, unfortunately Gates doesn't adapt well when he quickly finds out that Boies is on another level from the average attorney
Boies wasn't all that. Gates is very detailed in the technical speak because that's how he works. The lawyer insinuating "killer app" meant something nefarious is laughable and it kicks off this whole dog and pony show. I'm glad BG paid his millions in fines in pennies. It's about as punk rock as the nerd could get, but Microsoft was being targeted for being the best at what they did - market a business and user-friendly OS. The fact that this is mostly about IE (which is about the most unpopular browser for many years) is equally laughable. Netscape didn't die because of IE.
The Java issue... Gates doesn't handle this too eloquently. MS wanted 'control' of Java because Sun wrote code which was universally accepted on multiple platforms whatever the hardware architecture. MS used Java code under license, but altered it so it would only run on Windows. In other words, when he says the Java bits showed off the unique features of Windows, what he really means is that MS set out to make universal Java APIs Windows-only, and not compatible with competitor programs. J/Direct in effect held developers to use a Microsoft version of Java to write software which would only work on Windows, and not work on platforms using pure Java universality. The interrogator isn't a software engineer, so is kind of fighting uphill. But the mistake Gates makes here is that he is taking his interviewer for being as dumb as Gates is treating him. Ironically, this is a glimpse into the world of software development just at the end of the period when wholesale theft of code was still occurring. It's no coincidence that the company who famously 'lifted' unprotected code and some of its best ideas from others, is in deep trouble with an anti-trust law suit here. Microsoft still believed it could pinch low-hanging fruit from others with impunity by virtue of its power and its profits running off the scale. The sad thing is they wanted to take the best parts of work others had done, but they also wanted to bury or seriously damage the originators after they had done so.
I f'en love when the comments include some intelligent interpretation and context and not just trying to be the next witty thing. was Sun that guy who created the mouse Microsoft stole? didn't they dip into a deal just to lift code and then backed out? I cant remember the specifics of it. some guy, 1 pony show. Microsoft screwed him, used him, dumped him.
This is a masterclass in gaslighting and evading question from a supergenius innovator whose father was a lawyer. It's kind of entertaining. Microsoft did not really get punished.
Super genius? Subjective; he was ahead of the curve -- like most innovators. Leave regulators and stupid people at the door see what it does to capitalism and progression LOL. Anyways please like share and follow. #thanksobama
This is the only conceivable way a conversation between hostile lawyers and defensive engineers could go. The whole java conversation reminded me of just about every argument I ever had with a product manager or CEO
His lawyers should have prepared him better. That one is an engineer might make his performance palatable to other engineers; that doesn’t help him in a legal realm. It just makes him look evasive and really guilty.
I wonder if the prosecutors had to use Microsoft software to write and print out all the documents to accuse them of monopolistic practices since they were the only tools available
Probably did but they're far from the only tools that were available. Linux blows Windows out of the water. Even Microsoft uses Linux to run all of their systems like Azure
@@sprtwlf9314 Linux is good for tech people, but we're the minority. Ordinary consumers are the majority. You can't consider linux a true alternative to windows until its preinstalled on retail computers, and has similar support and compatibility. Can't expect grandma to install a new OS on her laptop, and to solve issues with secondhand help.
@@sprtwlf9314 I don't think they had the equivalent of OpenOffice/LibreOffice on Linux back then. Microsoft Word document files had compatibility issues and I wouldn't trust these lawyers who don't sound computer literate to pull off a complicated 90s Linux install
Ironically, the only published transcript I can find seems to be on a bare DOS system, and that's only for his first and part of the second sessions. I was trying to find out if he ever shut up and let his own counsel qualify any of his pointed objections, but I get the feeling that some of the transcript - like some of the obvious edits in the tape - are for commercially sensitive or legally privileged material. Either way, he wasn't fooling anyone. This was his biggest personal disaster.
@@JK-vc7ie I really am mesmerized here by Gates’ responses and style of language. I mean he doesn’t respond in a straight way to such simple questions here, but man does he know how to fill in almost all the gaps that other people MAY want to know or just hear, if you know what I mean...
It's actually a pretty terrible performance by Gates. He keeps walking down dead-ends that he created himself in his own emails. He wanted 'control' of JAVA because it was the route to having overall mastery of the then most common and bespoke programming language for tailoring software to X86 and other platforms. It was rapidly gaining popularity because it was the ideal interface for the APIs that Windows needed to become a must-have OS. He wanted to avoid having to seek permissions from - and paying global usage licensing costs to - Sun, while in effect attempting to acquire the power to (potentially) force anyone writing applications for Windows/IE to come to Microsoft - not the competition - who were already using it in other browsers. We should also remember that he and Jobs, and a lot of other software companies at this time, were all stealing stuff that wasn't patented or which was freely available as open source code or changing hands cheaply as Public Domain Software. Gates got the global OS, but this deposition shows he wasn't a particularly shrewd businessman. Then again, neither was Jobs. Both men seemed to have rapidly become just mercenary enough to seriously damage their relationships with the individuals who were close to them, and without whom they would not have made their billions.
@@ginskimpivot753 I don’t trust him for a second. When media speaks of Gates, it is like he is beyond reproach. What about Gary Kildall? He is never mentioned today. What are your thoughts?
One of the most fundamentally psychedelic pieces of long-form media among those who have ever wondered what it might mean to ‚control‘ Java, maybe in history, ever.
Do you know how many app developer software Developers that were all shut down in the last 5 to 7 years because of how good does developers make programs work for We the People... Bill Gates attacked those programs and shut them down
Please let me be more precise to "Vaccine Guru” - without ever studying for medicine: A drug dealer, against him, Pablo Escobar and the Medellin Cartel compares like beginner criminals. And all politicians and mainstream CEOs supporting this are accomplices.
....and those are just the obvious tells. To the trained eye, his tells are much more nuanced, and possibly more difficult to spot, but they are certainly present... abundantly so.
Him and the "wifey" have pulled off some pretty rotten things in Africa and India as well.. under the influential persuasion of doing something good for humanity.
6h 55m 18s _This is the highlight of the deposition._ Boies: *_"What is J-Direct?"_* Gates pauses, looks at Boies rather knowingly, and laughs out loud. This is the point Gates knows Boies knows Gates has no way out. J-Direct was the method by which Java was altered to work on Windows only. It took conventional Java syntax and class names and used extensions only Windows would respond to. Therefore, in a world which was rapidly adopting Windows it meant developers would primarily target that operating system, and once the code was licenced, patented and/or adopted, it couldn't be used by anyone else. Sun sued Microsoft - and won - for its claim that Windows was Java-compatible, and for altering Java code licensed to Micrsoft as 'pure' Java.
@@LangansBulldog-fi7zt Yes, but to be fair to Gates, this law suit came about because of a lot of jealousy, caused by the fact that he now had uncontrollable profits coming in from winning the race for the global OS. Jobs was not the genius he's given credit for. He actually had the first shot at a graphics-based OS, because Xerox developed it for their photocopiers, but shelved it because they though the proliferation of computers would wipe out photocopying. Gates actually bluffed his way to getting his first major funding. He had a rough DOS version which could only demo a small number of the abilities he claimed. He also had the foresight to realise that browsers would not be viable and saleable products for very long, as advertising revenue would eclipse sales. He gave away IE because he had the financial power to. He didn't just keep asking for more money...and the competition didn't like it. The US Govt litigation came way too late; the damage was already done. While the IE giveaway was judged unfair, he was - and still is - creating countless jobs and billions in tax for US coffers. I believe this is why they basically let him own-up and resolve the competition issues himself, rather than jump on Microsoft and force it to break up into separate entities. I think Jobs always carried the grudge that Gates hit big, leaving him to 'specialise' in an elitist approach, design snobbery, and a rather mercenary and unreasonable ethic relating to unique fittings and accessories, trick software, a difficulty for users to expand, modify or repair Apple gear, and a surprisingly successful psychology which sees the gullible paying huge sums for portable phones and super-thin laptops with a lot of glued-in parts. I never liked Jobs. He never gave credit to his key designers and technicians, and was always happy to go on-stage and let people think he was doing it all himself.
If Java truly was a free and open technology (only you and a professional liar like Boies believe that), then companies taking it and making it optimized to their own technology and platforms would be a risk/benefit. Complaining that someone did that with Java (and made it run demonstrably much better) is just misunderstanding what Java was. All this was a huge farce. It got a few politicians rich and made a name for a couple lawyers and showed Gates that someone more powerful in the world existed, but look at any of this, in the vast array of mediocre and sloppy technologies NOT created by Microsoft today, and tell me anything was accomplished.
They don't CARE about your privacy or your security. Between MS and Google, they know EVERYTHING about (at least) 80% of "connected" people on the planet - and how to EXPLOIT that information for their financial gain. There's nothing you can do about it --- short of going completely off grid and completely dark (no internet access, no cellphones, no Windows or Android devices),
@@fig4159 You forgot to mention he now believes he is the worlds health expert and the founding of Microsoft is based on stolen property. There is nothing more dangerous than an narcissistic with money. And by the way, you might want to research on HathiTrust. That’s the second most dangerous, controlling information. Thank you keeping the truth coming forward🙏💚
CREEPY Bill Gates Strikes Again: Windows 10 Secretly Listens to Everything You Say and Records All Your Keystrokes with Hidden Keylogger that Uploads to Microsoft
That's his merit. He fought and lost but at least he did everything he could. And then he kept on fighting after he lost and somehow retrieved everything he lost. He's a big piece of shit if you ask me but no one can deny he's a tough man.
I know. Just before that he had taken "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" to a whole new level. He was debating the definition of the word 'definition'.
"@@beakt It was the professional liar David Boies who made it into a definition of the word "definition." At least get that part straight. Gates clearly stated the answer: "we must have had a shared meaning, but did not have anyone read us a definition." BG said this what.... 5 times, at least. Each time Boies tried to Shakespearian actor voice it into a new GOTCHA question, and FAILED. You can tell DB was getting paid by the hour.
When someone that bright says that he does not understand your question, he does not mean that it is an intelligent question. And if he says it more than once, he really means that the presumption about the questions is transferred to the person asking the questions.
I've only watched 1 hour so far. But I haven't seen the lawyer say that he doesn't understand a question. I mean, he's asking the questions. You can't mean Bill Gates with bright. He's bright when it comes to being a terrible human being and stealing stuff and selling it as your own. But that's about it.
@johnathandoe6034 surely you aren't referring to Oracle (makers of Java, counterparty in this deposition) as being thrown under a bus... Oracle has market cap of ~500 billion dollars. Ellis is worth 40% of that with 210 BILLION personal net worth. PS it's Oracle and Larry Ellis who went on to gain extreme reputations for hostile takeovers, activist investments well before it was popular or accepted..
@@douggale5962 in my years of genealogy research, the pronunciation of Mc and Mac sometimes just depends on the usage in practice for each word, and not on the spelling. Americans seem a bit obsessed with the idea that the spelling of a word determines how it is pronounced. Just look at British place names. Gloucester, Grosvenor, Leicester, Marylebone, and countless everyday words.
@@dariusanderton3760 Exactly. Canada has a province like that, "Newfoundland" is not pronounced as it is spelled. There is no "found" in the sound when it is pronounced correctly. It is pronounced as if the "o" were not there.
out of curiosity, if someone is asked for a deposition and replies: "I don't remember" to every question, is there any way to object to this? And if so, does that ever happen?
When my car got stolen, they caught the getaway car and got the friends to rat out the thief.. but the thief never admitted to it and they eventually dropped the case.. the detective basically said without him admitting to anything, it would cost more to pursue the case than my case was worth, so it was dropped.. (Even-though the guy was on camera, left fingerprints, had 4 people rat him out, they let him go).. my old honda getting stolen isnt exactly the same as this, but yeah, the point is, even if they have you on camera and witnesses, never admit to anything, plead the 5th, give vague answers, I dont recall etc..
The deposition aids the defendant, ie Bill Gates. So it would only hurt him if he did that. If this was a criminal case then of course he would be best not saying a word and have his lawyers do all the talking.
Did Ian Fleming accurately predict some of the super villains showcased in his 007 James Bond series? Dark characters such as Bill Gates, George Soros, and Jeff Zucker (NYT) seem to indicate that Mr. Fleming was indeed an example that art imitates life.
The lawyer was clearly completely out of his depth. If you wanted to build a case of market monopoly and that Microsoft forced PC manufacturers to incorporate Internet Explorer and exclude any other rival apps or bundled software, particularly anti-virus and Web browser, you just needed go to the hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft's CEO. Then present the evidence to him around how Microsoft's relationship with OEM hardware manufacturers was very aggressive with restrictive OS licensing agreements and the risk of being effectively cut-off from the industry if you broke that agreement. The definitions of apps (and importance to Microsoft) is irrelevant and just bogs you down in technical exchanges and interpretations which are subjective and contextual. Microsoft also put several small competitors for apps out of business early on, companies like Disk Doubler (in the DOS era) by making rival features that copied what those early pioneer small software developers had created and included it in DOS unfairly. Those small businesses didn't have the legal resources to take on Microsoft and Microsoft used its DOS/Windows OS dominant position unfairly in the marketplace. It's the conduct of Microsoft and it's relationship with OEM's (and competitors) which as we all knew and know, demonstrated clear aggressive anti-competition and market-monopoly objectives and aims. Bill Gates was massively playing down here the importance he saw of IE in Windows in 1998, when the Web was just starting to take off before the dot com boom. He would later write an entire book on the subject and how he saw 'the information superhighway' as being the future of PC's. The irony is, despite Gates accurate vision of how PC use would evolve ever more towards Internet use over the next decade, Microsoft as a company remained too focused on its hugely profitable Windows-licensing business model and did not focus enough development resources into Internet SERVICES and personal data usage, such as creating a Web search index to rival Google's early efforts. It would soon become apparent that would have massive commercial and social importance for Internet usage in the coming years. Back in the day, Web though was just one of many Internet tools, and not that useful in the early-mid 1990's to ordinary people..other Internet services like Usenet and Gopher were more commonly used and the Internet was still very much an 'academic thing' to many businesses and PC users. Microsoft was in a prime position to take the lead and change that early on, but ended up playing catch up against Google with Bing years later. Microsoft's strategic approach was to 'make the Web reliant on Windows' by introducing IE-dependent tech into HTML and Web development, rather than focusing on the importance of Internet data itself and how users might use it in the future. First to market and user adoption is vital in the tech industry. Google just wasn't taken seriously as a competitive threat. And so Google slowly crept up on them from a tiny non-profit search engine and developed into the Internet services superpower company it is today that massively overshadows Microsoft. Google has a market monopoly practically on mobile device use far beyond just Web search, and is eating away at Microsoft's out-dated PC and Windows focused business model. People were worried about Microsoft's monopoly power in 1998 and even long before..but today Google's power that crosses from consumer and industry to economic-socio-political areas is truly astonishing (and terrifying to some) by comparison. Anyone who uses Android and Google services and loses their account will know what I mean. It's like being 'unplugged from the world' and losing your life in an instant.
Yea I agree with all of your points and read the Bill Gates book where he predicted 'Pocket PC's.' I think the culture at Microsoft with Gates and Steve Balmer didn't foster much innovation and focused only on billion dollar ideas instead of letting employees develop their own projects at work like Google does to inspire creativity. They did do a lot of cool Research projects like animatronic toys controlled by CD-rom games, WebTV, Kinect, etc
Everything in this comment is spot on. Not sure how to phrase what you have articulated any better. The only comment I’ll add is that I do wonder what Microsoft’s trajectory would have been if Gates remained CEO into the late 2000s. People criticize Ballmer (rightly so) but Gates didn’t step down from the board until 2008.
You re totally on spot with all of your remarks bout MS monopol case. Must say Thanks God Bill the Villain, didnt realised potential of search engine, marketing etc. Imagine the world today if he foresaw it.
@Paul Odenfield Professors these days use a plagiarism search tool on almost everything turned in to them. This tool also scours TH-cam comments. I hope you get caught. You don't deserve a degree.
This is the year Bill Gates stole government property when he was a federal employee, renamed it Microsoft and is now getting caught. (whatever his real name is) To all of you that assisted. Much gratitude. Thank you, all for one and one for... Sapphire Camera
This is the definitive video on this guy in my opinion. Without seeing this, you don't know this man. Having seen this, you need no other information about him.
The ultimate mastermind. Destroy all words in the questions and you never have to answer anything. Placing words together to establish a meaning is witchcraft.
If you are being questioned under oath by a corrupt professional liar with a huge history of harm for profit, and you don't think every single work they use and you use can be used against you in the most vindictive and consequential ways possible, you are lying to yourself.
Was this from the IE/Windows bundling case? If so, what a silly lawsuit. A completely nothing issue -- like users couldn't have found other browsers to use, and they all ended up being free anyway-- and bundled!
They should have focused the case on how Microsoft got every PC computer brand to preinstall Windows on their machines. Thats where the real anti trust business was happening. But the most heated competition was with the browsers. Even though there were a handful of other operating systems around at the time, they were far behind windows and mac os. But Netscape and other browsers were legitimately better than IE in some ways at the time.
This is the visage of pure evil. He killed someone he called friend in order to prevent a lawsuit over the Windows operating system just prior to the release of Windows 95. Research Gary Kildall. Gary Kildall invented the CPM operating system (this OS was the reason why the primary hard drive on all Windows machines is known as the C drive rather than the sequentially first letter.) IBM wanted to pay Kildall for the rights and to offer him a job. Kildall and Gates had been friends and they shared a workspace and often answered phone calls intended for the other. Gates knew that Kildall flew a light aircraft for recreation on Saturdays. When IBM called asking for Kildall and Kildall wasn't in the room, Gates told them that he would relate a message to Kildall on their behalf to be prepared for a meeting with IBM executives at Kildall's home. When they asked what time would be best for Kildall, Gates told them, "Saturday at 11am," the precise time at which he knew Kildall would be up in the air. When IBM arrived, they found only Kildall's wife who attempted to entertain them until Kildall returned, but they grew impatient and left and were insulted because they thought that Kildall knew they were planning to visit. In the aftermath, they told Gates that if he could somehow acquire rights to CPM, they would buy it from Gates and would offer Gates the job they were originally going to offer to Kildall. Gates used his family's money, which was non-trivial, to pay a company which specialized in reverse-engineering software and reproducing altered versions of it which the client would then be free to copyright separately to create a very similar operating system which was termed QDOS and which was rebranded as PC-DOS when rights were shared with IBM. Gates, however, never relinquished the rights and instead only shared limited rights with IBM. After all, he had paid $80,000 to a company in the early 1980s (a fortune) to fulfill IBM's request for a legally obtainable version of CPM. With IBM's adoption of PC-DOS, CPM died and Gary Kildall's chances at fame and fortune died with it. Kildall knew he had been ripped off and Gates knew that Kildall knew it. Although Gates made a great deal of money from Windows 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0, Windows 95 was slated to be the big money-maker as it was expected to have 99% market share in a rapidly-growing home PC market. Every other family in America was going to buy a license at $100 each. On July 11, 1994, three months before the release of Windows 95, Gary Kildall's light aircraft suffered mechanical failure and he plunged to his death.
i think it was before 2013 that they took the cap off. but if im wrong, i know for a fact there were some channels and videos that were allowed exception.
Do you think he's figuring out what data stores he needs to wipe or alter during those long pauses? It seems he's figuring out what he needs to do before he answers the question.
No, he's just a smart witness. Stay cool, don't blurt out answers, think hard about the question as it relates to what you've already said, etc. Going slow is to your advantage, not the opposition.
This deposition was a piss poor performance by David Boies, who is held up as a prolific litigator. He didn’t take control and got jerked around constantly.
To be fair to Gates, the jab directed at him at 2h 31m 18s with its ensuing laughter by Boise, should have been objected to instantly by Gates' lawyer. I refer to the _"One more time."_ comment. Boise is not quite as smart as he likes to think he is, and only he keeps deciding to keep repeating the _'business model'_ quote, almost as if he's being paid by the word. The episode itself infers that Boise is willing to pursue a matter that's irrelevant - Gates' opinion on his own statements in newspapers. I thought freedom of speech and expression were constitutional rights in the USA?! Boise also tries to suggest to Gates that his answers should be phrased in a way that only he (Boise) is willing to accept. In this sense Boise is being both unreasonable and biased. At this time, a lot of Microsoft's competition were just plain jealous of its success, and perfectly willing to keep their heads down on the few major law suits taking place. This is because they were all up to various tricks involving software theft and plagiarism of unpatented or non-copyrighted code. Gates knew browsers would become prolific and that at some point there would be no need to sell them, as the attracted advertising would eclipse the costs of their relatively simple structures. Love or hate Gates, in giving away IE when he did, he went for the throats of his competition, not his customers.
There's more on What went on. much more. Epstein Bush The Emerates Kings France....u don't know who the children are Really Related To...... Futureistitly. People's children in others hands ......Looking down the road. Think
It might be weird, but i can't sleep without this video playing in the background
same
ya that's a little strange you should maybe see somebody.
Same..here to sleep.. although I like Gates
deadass 💀
same bro 😂
This is a masterclass in how to avoid answering questions.
fkn facts
Blaming Gates for this long process when it's the government that created it and is trying to manufacture something to hang him on. It's all so ridiculous. Microsoft is like any other big company, and like IBM before it, is waning.
@Igor Dvorzhak If you felt you were being unjustly sued, and an attempt to break up the company you'd spent your life to build, I supposed you'd willing offer all sorts of helpful information?
@Igor Dvorzhak What evidence is there that Gates is a criminal?
Whenever bill pursed his lips, he knew something which the lawyers wanted but he won't give them.
"It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is."
I don't know what you mean by "It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is."
@@robrick9361 It's a referrnce to Bill Clinton's testimony in the Monica Lewinsky affair. Maybe you're too young to remember.
@@Jim-Wade
Yeah I was like 8 when that all went down.
I actually feel like I missed out, seemed entertaining as hell.
@@robrick9361 people say bill has an incredible legal mind.....is is.....i love it
That depends on the context of what is is
Zuckerberg watched this before his senate hearing
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"I don't have enough of a context to even state an opinion."
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@@kevinjones238 I tried but gave up. I actually feel sorry for him having to explain it all.
😂😂😂😂
-Good morning, Mr. Gates.
-To me, it's not morning.
Accurate but vague
I have no reason to doubt that it is morning. I have no recollection of it.
Bill Gates:
You see, there is no law that states whether morning ever ends or begins.
Time?
"Is that a stamp? To me that's not a stamp." is the entire deposition in a nutshell
3:37:50
Thank you my apologies for forgetting to leave the timestamp
@@kuwayt1338 Is that a timestamp? To me that's not a timestamp.
Well, I understand him. I think of those type of things as a "header" or "footer", perhaps a timestamp if there is a recognizable time. I certainly wouldn't think of them as a "stamp" without enough context
What's worse than talking to a lawyer who believes they understand technology but has no clue? Talking to a government lawyer who believes they understand technology but has no clue.
compliments to this channel for posting the whole deposition. This whole exchange is fascinating. two brilliant minds, unfortunately Gates doesn't adapt well when he quickly finds out that Boies is on another level from the average attorney
Boies wasn't all that. Gates is very detailed in the technical speak because that's how he works. The lawyer insinuating "killer app" meant something nefarious is laughable and it kicks off this whole dog and pony show. I'm glad BG paid his millions in fines in pennies. It's about as punk rock as the nerd could get, but Microsoft was being targeted for being the best at what they did - market a business and user-friendly OS. The fact that this is mostly about IE (which is about the most unpopular browser for many years) is equally laughable. Netscape didn't die because of IE.
@@brigmill are you a Bill Gates fan?
@@illegalsmirf your responce to a defense like that is just admitting defeat...
@@brigmill Gary Kildall was killed by Bill Gates
@@zeph3070 pretty weird you think theres anything to be lost here
This is a great Dwight Schrute cosplay by Gates
IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE C#, MILLIONS OF JAVA PROGRAMMERS SUFFER EVERY YEAR!
Dwide Schrude
I was thinking more like a Himmler cosplay.
More like Dwight Schultz
BOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH🤣😂
The Java issue...
Gates doesn't handle this too eloquently. MS wanted 'control' of Java because Sun wrote code which was universally accepted on multiple platforms whatever the hardware architecture.
MS used Java code under license, but altered it so it would only run on Windows. In other words, when he says the Java bits showed off the unique features of Windows, what he really means is that MS set out to make universal Java APIs Windows-only, and not compatible with competitor programs. J/Direct in effect held developers to use a Microsoft version of Java to write software which would only work on Windows, and not work on platforms using pure Java universality.
The interrogator isn't a software engineer, so is kind of fighting uphill. But the mistake Gates makes here is that he is taking his interviewer for being as dumb as Gates is treating him.
Ironically, this is a glimpse into the world of software development just at the end of the period when wholesale theft of code was still occurring.
It's no coincidence that the company who famously 'lifted' unprotected code and some of its best ideas from others, is in deep trouble with an anti-trust law suit here. Microsoft still believed it could pinch low-hanging fruit from others with impunity by virtue of its power and its profits running off the scale.
The sad thing is they wanted to take the best parts of work others had done, but they also wanted to bury or seriously damage the originators after they had done so.
Wow. You nailed it. Thank you!
Thank you! Very interesting read
Thank you.
Thanks!! Admin better pin this comment
I f'en love when the comments include some intelligent interpretation and context and not just trying to be the next witty thing. was Sun that guy who created the mouse Microsoft stole? didn't they dip into a deal just to lift code and then backed out? I cant remember the specifics of it. some guy, 1 pony show. Microsoft screwed him, used him, dumped him.
This is a masterclass in gaslighting and evading question from a supergenius innovator whose father was a lawyer. It's kind of entertaining. Microsoft did not really get punished.
Well said
Bill Gates said at that time that there is no such thing as bad publicity. We likely came out ahead.
Super genius? Subjective; he was ahead of the curve -- like most innovators. Leave regulators and stupid people at the door see what it does to capitalism and progression LOL. Anyways please like share and follow. #thanksobama
@@rudius88true... oppertunist and using loopholes to exploit. Now it is probably patched.
what did bill gates innovate?
Programmer vs lawyer. Bill Gates emulates a computer and throws error all the time.
More like lawyer vs lawyer.
programmed to depopulate
Critical objection, your honor. 🥸😱 Bloatware
he has aspergers..
his pops is a lawyer prepped him well lol.
Thanks for uploading this fully!
This is the only conceivable way a conversation between hostile lawyers and defensive engineers could go. The whole java conversation reminded me of just about every argument I ever had with a product manager or CEO
His lawyers should have prepared him better. That one is an engineer might make his performance palatable to other engineers; that doesn’t help him in a legal realm. It just makes him look evasive and really guilty.
YES
Agreed, the cocky lawyer thought he could outsmart a genius using intimidation
Oh yea and you, the genius Java programmer, know everything. That’s why you went into computers after all!
I wonder if the prosecutors had to use Microsoft software to write and print out all the documents to accuse them of monopolistic practices since they were the only tools available
Genuine LOL
Probably did but they're far from the only tools that were available. Linux blows Windows out of the water. Even Microsoft uses Linux to run all of their systems like Azure
@@sprtwlf9314 Linux is good for tech people, but we're the minority. Ordinary consumers are the majority. You can't consider linux a true alternative to windows until its preinstalled on retail computers, and has similar support and compatibility. Can't expect grandma to install a new OS on her laptop, and to solve issues with secondhand help.
@@sprtwlf9314 I don't think they had the equivalent of OpenOffice/LibreOffice on Linux back then. Microsoft Word document files had compatibility issues and I wouldn't trust these lawyers who don't sound computer literate to pull off a complicated 90s Linux install
Ironically, the only published transcript I can find seems to be on a bare DOS system, and that's only for his first and part of the second sessions.
I was trying to find out if he ever shut up and let his own counsel qualify any of his pointed objections, but I get the feeling that some of the transcript - like some of the obvious edits in the tape - are for commercially sensitive or legally privileged material.
Either way, he wasn't fooling anyone. This was his biggest personal disaster.
I saw him take a pie to the face and now I'm here
That pie video is hilarious bro 😂
"You keep using the word memorandum to refer to emails."
Apparently TH-cam thinks I have 11 hours today
Netscape effects for depopulation
You do have 11 likes for now.
Your comment has 12 likes now, because the other dude said that it has 11.
😂😂😂😂😂
waiting for 11K likes
You can tell he has been tought by his father William Henry Gates II in the field of law and language coercion.
Yes, his father coached him well in how to give a deposition when the government is suing you and ruin the business you created.
@@JK-vc7ie I really am mesmerized here by Gates’ responses and style of language. I mean he doesn’t respond in a straight way to such simple questions here, but man does he know how to fill in almost all the gaps that other people MAY want to know or just hear, if you know what I mean...
@@JK-vc7ie You mean a company that was founded by stolen property🤔
It's actually a pretty terrible performance by Gates. He keeps walking down dead-ends that he created himself in his own emails.
He wanted 'control' of JAVA because it was the route to having overall mastery of the then most common and bespoke programming language for tailoring software to X86 and other platforms. It was rapidly gaining popularity because it was the ideal interface for the APIs that Windows needed to become a must-have OS.
He wanted to avoid having to seek permissions from - and paying global usage licensing costs to - Sun, while in effect attempting to acquire the power to (potentially) force anyone writing applications for Windows/IE to come to Microsoft - not the competition - who were already using it in other browsers.
We should also remember that he and Jobs, and a lot of other software companies at this time, were all stealing stuff that wasn't patented or which was freely available as open source code or changing hands cheaply as Public Domain Software.
Gates got the global OS, but this deposition shows he wasn't a particularly shrewd businessman. Then again, neither was Jobs. Both men seemed to have rapidly become just mercenary enough to seriously damage their relationships with the individuals who were close to them, and without whom they would not have made their billions.
@@ginskimpivot753 I don’t trust him for a second. When media speaks of Gates, it is like he is beyond reproach. What about Gary Kildall? He is never mentioned today. What are your thoughts?
One of the most fundamentally psychedelic pieces of long-form media among those who have ever wondered what it might mean to ‚control‘ Java, maybe in history, ever.
Yes.
Define history
Interviewer wanted Google, he got Bing.
This was the most stressful and real the office season ever
This is basically a free government masterclass for aspiring software developers.
lol
Do you know how many app developer software Developers that were all shut down in the last 5 to 7 years because of how good does developers make programs work for We the People... Bill Gates attacked those programs and shut them down
Software that allows you to do web browsing is sometimes referred to as a web browser.
Untapped meme spring..... This is gold. ;-)
This is the moron some ppl are following..complete psycho-sociopath
And this is old
Lawyer dude has like infinite patience 💀
Coolest video ever .Video is cool,Comments are cool ..Thanks for uploading ..
It seems like the deposer is having a rough time trying to figure out the Bill Gates API!
He's playing the game.
And doing it extremely well.
is this a "War Games" reference??
Lol, it's Joshua. He's playing the game. Lol
I don't know why, but I like how Bill Gates says "email".
💌 Electronic mail
I didn't know it was possible to upload a 12 hour video 11 years ago
It started uploading 11 years ago. It just now finished.
This is the real "beats to relax/study to".
This is oddly calming
f'en for real right bro. I seen some dude a few comments back talking about this is all he can go to sleep to now. crazy.
love that I'm sitting here watching this in the Google Chrome browser. Thanks antitrust law!
Bill is so sassy, I never knew.
He was convicted and amazing how it all disappeared and he now is a Vaccine Guru
Please yell that from the roof tops! Media manipulation.
Money talks.
Please let me be more precise to "Vaccine Guru” - without ever studying for medicine: A drug dealer, against him, Pablo Escobar and the Medellin Cartel compares like beginner criminals. And all politicians and mainstream CEOs supporting this are accomplices.
and now watch these new illegal not vaccine bio weapons kill off billions over 3-5 years
@@ripped7867 that’s exactly what’s going on, but people are blinded by 18 months of permanent never ending 🧠 🧼
“ on a statistical basis, we are the most respected software company”
Did anyone do the full 11+ hours???
my goodness - this would make a fascinating study of body language.
care to elaborate?
Every time he lies he scratches his neck, squirms in his chair, or rocks back and forth. LOL!
....and those are just the obvious tells. To the trained eye, his tells are much more nuanced, and possibly more difficult to spot, but they are certainly present... abundantly so.
@@mamamarianovits9029 Trained eye on nonsense.
What's next, reading his aura?
@@honeypie2555 he was stimming
"How to Manipulate Investigations and Influence Courts" by Bill Gates
Him and the "wifey" have pulled off some pretty rotten things in Africa and India as well.. under the influential persuasion of doing something good for humanity.
Wonder what his position was on Epstien Island, notice lex took exit stage left
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6h 55m 18s _This is the highlight of the deposition._
Boies: *_"What is J-Direct?"_*
Gates pauses, looks at Boies rather knowingly, and laughs out loud. This is the point Gates knows Boies knows Gates has no way out.
J-Direct was the method by which Java was altered to work on Windows only. It took conventional Java syntax and class names and used extensions only Windows would respond to. Therefore, in a world which was rapidly adopting Windows it meant developers would primarily target that operating system, and once the code was licenced, patented and/or adopted, it couldn't be used by anyone else.
Sun sued Microsoft - and won - for its claim that Windows was Java-compatible, and for altering Java code licensed to Micrsoft as 'pure' Java.
It's actually a pretty dumb move, it will never work in the long run especially when they bought a license to use JAVA as is.
@@LangansBulldog-fi7zt
Yes, but to be fair to Gates, this law suit came about because of a lot of jealousy, caused by the fact that he now had uncontrollable profits coming in from winning the race for the global OS.
Jobs was not the genius he's given credit for. He actually had the first shot at a graphics-based OS, because Xerox developed it for their photocopiers, but shelved it because they though the proliferation of computers would wipe out photocopying.
Gates actually bluffed his way to getting his first major funding. He had a rough DOS version which could only demo a small number of the abilities he claimed.
He also had the foresight to realise that browsers would not be viable and saleable products for very long, as advertising revenue would eclipse sales. He gave away IE because he had the financial power to. He didn't just keep asking for more money...and the competition didn't like it.
The US Govt litigation came way too late; the damage was already done. While the IE giveaway was judged unfair, he was - and still is - creating countless jobs and billions in tax for US coffers.
I believe this is why they basically let him own-up and resolve the competition issues himself, rather than jump on Microsoft and force it to break up into separate entities.
I think Jobs always carried the grudge that Gates hit big, leaving him to 'specialise' in an elitist approach, design snobbery, and a rather mercenary and unreasonable ethic relating to unique fittings and accessories, trick software, a difficulty for users to expand, modify or repair Apple gear, and a surprisingly successful psychology which sees the gullible paying huge sums for portable phones and super-thin laptops with a lot of glued-in parts.
I never liked Jobs. He never gave credit to his key designers and technicians, and was always happy to go on-stage and let people think he was doing it all himself.
If Java truly was a free and open technology (only you and a professional liar like Boies believe that), then companies taking it and making it optimized to their own technology and platforms would be a risk/benefit. Complaining that someone did that with Java (and made it run demonstrably much better) is just misunderstanding what Java was. All this was a huge farce. It got a few politicians rich and made a name for a couple lawyers and showed Gates that someone more powerful in the world existed, but look at any of this, in the vast array of mediocre and sloppy technologies NOT created by Microsoft today, and tell me anything was accomplished.
@@ginskimpivot753 don't worry, he paid early(Jobs), in the end, everything comes back around.
6:55:16
If Microsoft windows is closed source software, how can users, business's and governments be sure of their privacy and security?
They don't CARE about your privacy or your security. Between MS and Google, they know EVERYTHING about (at least) 80% of "connected" people on the planet - and how to EXPLOIT that information for their financial gain.
There's nothing you can do about it --- short of going completely off grid and completely dark (no internet access, no cellphones, no Windows or Android devices),
@@fig4159 You forgot to mention he now believes he is the worlds health expert and the founding of Microsoft is based on stolen property. There is nothing more dangerous than an narcissistic with money. And by the way, you might want to research on HathiTrust. That’s the second most dangerous, controlling information. Thank you keeping the truth coming forward🙏💚
CREEPY Bill Gates Strikes Again: Windows 10 Secretly Listens to Everything You Say and Records All Your Keystrokes with Hidden Keylogger that Uploads to Microsoft
"It depends" ahh what a glorious phrase
LMAO HE FOUGHT THEM ON EVERY WORD
and still lost, how incredible is that lol
yes, but he forgot body language
Such a G.
That's his merit. He fought and lost but at least he did everything he could. And then he kept on fighting after he lost and somehow retrieved everything he lost. He's a big piece of shit if you ask me but no one can deny he's a tough man.
He is a piece of shit of course he did.
The super long pauses after being asked questions is like watching a 386 trying to run Windows ME.. 🤣🤣🤣
lol
To me it's like an old chess computer churning out every conceivable move and finally coming to a response
@@Kirix lol
Almost as slow as Windows itself.
...while someone depressed the turbo button to drop it to 16MHz
2:21:46 That's one of best parts
I know. Just before that he had taken "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" to a whole new level. He was debating the definition of the word 'definition'.
That would be sad if someone from Netscape had really did cry reading that, and then saw this many years later.
"@@beakt It was the professional liar David Boies who made it into a definition of the word "definition." At least get that part straight. Gates clearly stated the answer: "we must have had a shared meaning, but did not have anyone read us a definition." BG said this what.... 5 times, at least. Each time Boies tried to Shakespearian actor voice it into a new GOTCHA question, and FAILED. You can tell DB was getting paid by the hour.
"Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind about your mother".
"My mother? Let me tell you about my mother."
Raspberries. Garbanzo. Liposuction. Overclocking. Sediment. Posthole. Magnesium. Overgrowth.
Source?
@@erhan1255 Blade Runner; it’s one of the questions they use to test for humans/AI
Bitty
Poor guy doesn't understand the term non-Microsoft browsers. He's just a dim billionaire CEO.
This is quality & brown background reminds me of metal gear solid
Any average conversation with your gf
permission to treat witness as hostile
Holy crap. You can watch him age as this video progresses.
there is an I.V. with child connected to his veins like in mad max
When someone that bright says that he does not understand your question, he does not mean that it is an intelligent question. And if he says it more than once, he really means that the presumption about the questions is transferred to the person asking the questions.
I've only watched 1 hour so far.
But I haven't seen the lawyer say that he doesn't understand a question. I mean, he's asking the questions.
You can't mean Bill Gates with bright. He's bright when it comes to being a terrible human being and stealing stuff and selling it as your own. But that's about it.
@@appleleptiker Good God !! , its Gates who says that he does not understand the questions and you should not confound intelligence and morality.
Poor Bill, at that age lost so much memory...
thats a software related latency
Solid state evasion drive to Canada-
I have absolutely no sympathy for Bill.... I have no respect for business men who throw their peers under the bridge for profit
@johnathandoe6034 surely you aren't referring to Oracle (makers of Java, counterparty in this deposition) as being thrown under a bus... Oracle has market cap of ~500 billion dollars. Ellis is worth 40% of that with 210 BILLION personal net worth.
PS it's Oracle and Larry Ellis who went on to gain extreme reputations for hostile takeovers, activist investments well before it was popular or accepted..
@@johnathandoe6034 u didn't get the joke did you
He needs more than a pie in the face
Want to watch an 11~ hour video about Bill Gates getting deposed?
76k people: ye bb
I love how the attorney says "McOffice" when talking about "Mac Office".
What makes it even funnier is, the lawyer isn't even wrong. He is pronouncing the text as written, with his usual extreme precision.
@@douggale5962 in my years of genealogy research, the pronunciation of Mc and Mac sometimes just depends on the usage in practice for each word, and not on the spelling. Americans seem a bit obsessed with the idea that the spelling of a word determines how it is pronounced. Just look at British place names. Gloucester, Grosvenor, Leicester, Marylebone, and countless everyday words.
@@dariusanderton3760 Exactly. Canada has a province like that, "Newfoundland" is not pronounced as it is spelled. There is no "found" in the sound when it is pronounced correctly. It is pronounced as if the "o" were not there.
Now we need the Zuckerberg deposition
It’s out there
@@1MillionSubscribers2025 link?
@@1MillionSubscribers2025 Where?
out of curiosity, if someone is asked for a deposition and replies: "I don't remember" to every question, is there any way to object to this? And if so, does that ever happen?
When my car got stolen, they caught the getaway car and got the friends to rat out the thief.. but the thief never admitted to it and they eventually dropped the case.. the detective basically said without him admitting to anything, it would cost more to pursue the case than my case was worth, so it was dropped.. (Even-though the guy was on camera, left fingerprints, had 4 people rat him out, they let him go)..
my old honda getting stolen isnt exactly the same as this, but yeah, the point is, even if they have you on camera and witnesses, never admit to anything, plead the 5th, give vague answers, I dont recall etc..
Lil Waynes in 2000 something for his gun. Its on TH-cam.
Usually classed as a hostile witness
@@DirtyDog995 then what happens?
The deposition aids the defendant, ie Bill Gates. So it would only hurt him if he did that. If this was a criminal case then of course he would be best not saying a word and have his lawyers do all the talking.
The lawyer says Mac Office like it it was made by McDonalds.
McOffice~
@@Lexyvil I'm sold
He's so good, stepping on toes becomes unavoidable.
Yet MS lose the monopoly case to Government
I'm sure he had really good lawyers coach him on how to handle the deposition.
Come on bill, no more diet Coke’s until you answer the question: did you believe canceling Mac office 97 would do harm to Apple?
I keep coming back to this, I dont actually know why but find it really relaxing 😅
what is your example of a killer app? "FLIGHT SIMULATOR" hahaha
Did Ian Fleming accurately predict some of the super villains showcased in his 007 James Bond series? Dark characters such as Bill Gates, George Soros, and Jeff Zucker (NYT) seem to indicate that Mr. Fleming was indeed an example that art imitates life.
He certainly had Klaus Schwab down to perfection, he just gave Klaus a white Persian cat to hold on his lap.
Not dark. Government simply jealously immature of people more successful then government itself could ever comprehend or achieve.
Why is Bill Gates a dark character? He’s rather brilliant.
@@natepeace1737 Anybody who keeps having business meeting with somebody who's been found guilty of child sex trafficking is pretty dark.
@@mancuniancandidatemi bet you're much darker than that, at least according to your browser history 🎉
I want to see the one where Melinda questioned him about his "dinners" with Jeffrey Epstein
The lawyer was clearly completely out of his depth. If you wanted to build a case of market monopoly and that Microsoft forced PC manufacturers to incorporate Internet Explorer and exclude any other rival apps or bundled software, particularly anti-virus and Web browser, you just needed go to the hardware manufacturers, not Microsoft's CEO. Then present the evidence to him around how Microsoft's relationship with OEM hardware manufacturers was very aggressive with restrictive OS licensing agreements and the risk of being effectively cut-off from the industry if you broke that agreement. The definitions of apps (and importance to Microsoft) is irrelevant and just bogs you down in technical exchanges and interpretations which are subjective and contextual. Microsoft also put several small competitors for apps out of business early on, companies like Disk Doubler (in the DOS era) by making rival features that copied what those early pioneer small software developers had created and included it in DOS unfairly. Those small businesses didn't have the legal resources to take on Microsoft and Microsoft used its DOS/Windows OS dominant position unfairly in the marketplace.
It's the conduct of Microsoft and it's relationship with OEM's (and competitors) which as we all knew and know, demonstrated clear aggressive anti-competition and market-monopoly objectives and aims. Bill Gates was massively playing down here the importance he saw of IE in Windows in 1998, when the Web was just starting to take off before the dot com boom. He would later write an entire book on the subject and how he saw 'the information superhighway' as being the future of PC's.
The irony is, despite Gates accurate vision of how PC use would evolve ever more towards Internet use over the next decade, Microsoft as a company remained too focused on its hugely profitable Windows-licensing business model and did not focus enough development resources into Internet SERVICES and personal data usage, such as creating a Web search index to rival Google's early efforts. It would soon become apparent that would have massive commercial and social importance for Internet usage in the coming years. Back in the day, Web though was just one of many Internet tools, and not that useful in the early-mid 1990's to ordinary people..other Internet services like Usenet and Gopher were more commonly used and the Internet was still very much an 'academic thing' to many businesses and PC users.
Microsoft was in a prime position to take the lead and change that early on, but ended up playing catch up against Google with Bing years later. Microsoft's strategic approach was to 'make the Web reliant on Windows' by introducing IE-dependent tech into HTML and Web development, rather than focusing on the importance of Internet data itself and how users might use it in the future.
First to market and user adoption is vital in the tech industry. Google just wasn't taken seriously as a competitive threat. And so Google slowly crept up on them from a tiny non-profit search engine and developed into the Internet services superpower company it is today that massively overshadows Microsoft. Google has a market monopoly practically on mobile device use far beyond just Web search, and is eating away at Microsoft's out-dated PC and Windows focused business model.
People were worried about Microsoft's monopoly power in 1998 and even long before..but today Google's power that crosses from consumer and industry to economic-socio-political areas is truly astonishing (and terrifying to some) by comparison. Anyone who uses Android and Google services and loses their account will know what I mean. It's like being 'unplugged from the world' and losing your life in an instant.
Yea I agree with all of your points and read the Bill Gates book where he predicted 'Pocket PC's.' I think the culture at Microsoft with Gates and Steve Balmer didn't foster much innovation and focused only on billion dollar ideas instead of letting employees develop their own projects at work like Google does to inspire creativity. They did do a lot of cool Research projects like animatronic toys controlled by CD-rom games, WebTV, Kinect, etc
Everything in this comment is spot on. Not sure how to phrase what you have articulated any better. The only comment I’ll add is that I do wonder what Microsoft’s trajectory would have been if Gates remained CEO into the late 2000s. People criticize Ballmer (rightly so) but Gates didn’t step down from the board until 2008.
You re totally on spot with all of your remarks bout MS monopol case. Must say Thanks God Bill the Villain, didnt realised potential of search engine, marketing etc. Imagine the world today if he foresaw it.
You, sir, should make videos. Just talk about whatever interests you and film it. I'll watch. Subbed just in case.
@Paul Odenfield Professors these days use a plagiarism search tool on almost everything turned in to them. This tool also scours TH-cam comments. I hope you get caught. You don't deserve a degree.
This is the year Bill Gates stole government property when he was a federal employee, renamed it Microsoft and is now getting caught. (whatever his real name is)
To all of you that assisted.
Much gratitude.
Thank you, all for one and one for...
Sapphire Camera
Is that true? Why would a government have an operating system that advanced in early days?
@@SoulUniversityYT Why wouldn't they? The US military literally invented the internet
@@salj.5459inadvertently invented if I recall correctly
"...let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one."
This is the definitive video on this guy in my opinion.
Without seeing this, you don't know this man.
Having seen this, you need no other information about him.
What’s your opinion on him?
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6:06:55 define Proprietary API
After this he signed his name in blood so he would not get the hammer. His power is from selling his soul.
What happened to his wild hand gesturing
those were the days when he had the leg twitching habit under the desk.
The ultimate mastermind. Destroy all words in the questions and you never have to answer anything. Placing words together to establish a meaning is witchcraft.
If you are being questioned under oath by a corrupt professional liar with a huge history of harm for profit, and you don't think every single work they use and you use can be used against you in the most vindictive and consequential ways possible, you are lying to yourself.
Nobody does well in depositions. Not even michael Jackson.
what do think spen cer
Was this from the IE/Windows bundling case? If so, what a silly lawsuit. A completely nothing issue -- like users couldn't have found other browsers to use, and they all ended up being free anyway-- and bundled!
Doesn't matter. Laws for preventing monopolies used to be somewhat followed or at least enforced when broken, which was the case here.
In 98 the law was only 10 years behind the tech.
They should have focused the case on how Microsoft got every PC computer brand to preinstall Windows on their machines. Thats where the real anti trust business was happening. But the most heated competition was with the browsers. Even though there were a handful of other operating systems around at the time, they were far behind windows and mac os. But Netscape and other browsers were legitimately better than IE in some ways at the time.
Was anyone else hoping that the discussion would suddenly get directed towards 'Java, the island'?
damn! will all old footage eventually look like it was shot in the '60s or '70s?
That's my mini 9 from 1998.
They shot Moon Landing in UHD & 8K back in 60s/70s tho. 😂
This is the visage of pure evil. He killed someone he called friend in order to prevent a lawsuit over the Windows operating system just prior to the release of Windows 95. Research Gary Kildall. Gary Kildall invented the CPM operating system (this OS was the reason why the primary hard drive on all Windows machines is known as the C drive rather than the sequentially first letter.) IBM wanted to pay Kildall for the rights and to offer him a job. Kildall and Gates had been friends and they shared a workspace and often answered phone calls intended for the other. Gates knew that Kildall flew a light aircraft for recreation on Saturdays. When IBM called asking for Kildall and Kildall wasn't in the room, Gates told them that he would relate a message to Kildall on their behalf to be prepared for a meeting with IBM executives at Kildall's home. When they asked what time would be best for Kildall, Gates told them, "Saturday at 11am," the precise time at which he knew Kildall would be up in the air. When IBM arrived, they found only Kildall's wife who attempted to entertain them until Kildall returned, but they grew impatient and left and were insulted because they thought that Kildall knew they were planning to visit.
In the aftermath, they told Gates that if he could somehow acquire rights to CPM, they would buy it from Gates and would offer Gates the job they were originally going to offer to Kildall. Gates used his family's money, which was non-trivial, to pay a company which specialized in reverse-engineering software and reproducing altered versions of it which the client would then be free to copyright separately to create a very similar operating system which was termed QDOS and which was rebranded as PC-DOS when rights were shared with IBM. Gates, however, never relinquished the rights and instead only shared limited rights with IBM. After all, he had paid $80,000 to a company in the early 1980s (a fortune) to fulfill IBM's request for a legally obtainable version of CPM. With IBM's adoption of PC-DOS, CPM died and Gary Kildall's chances at fame and fortune died with it. Kildall knew he had been ripped off and Gates knew that Kildall knew it. Although Gates made a great deal of money from Windows 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0, Windows 95 was slated to be the big money-maker as it was expected to have 99% market share in a rapidly-growing home PC market. Every other family in America was going to buy a license at $100 each.
On July 11, 1994, three months before the release of Windows 95, Gary Kildall's light aircraft suffered mechanical failure and he plunged to his death.
He is soooo evil.
"Monopolies bad. It is impossible for competition to arise in a monopolistic environment."
Where's Internet Explorer now?
still here. just called edge.
@@trivet1970 And nobody uses it.
@@nonyafkinbznes1420 it was a free product they dont care
@@trivet1970 So was IE.
@@nonyafkinbznes1420 yes it was. It brought down netscape and was a major issue in the lawsuit above.
"if you define what you mean by definition, maybe i can answer your question".
Classic
I'm focused on the consistent stereotype of nerd-hair..... he's got 3 different styles at once if one observes long enough
I've seen this video many times over the years , well clips of it , but now seeing this , ELEVEN HOURS ? WTF
How to be a politician starter kit.
This is like watching every episode of Road Runner with David Boies as the coyote.
Gates has perfect temperament soft as gentle breeze yet intrepid as audacious fire.
Perfect description. He must be a terror to be opposing in a business meeting.
He's a socially stunted psychopath. The fact that you can't see that tells me a lot about you.
I started watching this thinking it was 11 minutes...
me too!
😂
Bill Gates is such a weasel.
i cant believe this only has 156k views
Looks like he would much rather be back on Epstein's Lolita Express....
How the 12h long video was uploaded here in 2013 ?? Aren't they allowing only 10m or 1h long videos at that time?
i think it was before 2013 that they took the cap off. but if im wrong, i know for a fact there were some channels and videos that were allowed exception.
Didn't they remove the time limit like 12 or 13 years ago?
Do you think he's figuring out what data stores he needs to wipe or alter during those long pauses? It seems he's figuring out what he needs to do before he answers the question.
Its called thinking.
Long pauses could be thinking or hearing from a wireless device before answering.
No, he's just a smart witness. Stay cool, don't blurt out answers, think hard about the question as it relates to what you've already said, etc. Going slow is to your advantage, not the opposition.
why he was on this? whats the deal here?
same
I bet he has "sharks with friggin laserbeams attached to their forehead".
Lol Austin powers
look again at nerdy villain in minion.1 ......
This deposition was a piss poor performance by David Boies, who is held up as a prolific litigator. He didn’t take control and got jerked around constantly.
Is that Boies for the entire deposition?
It might be even weirder, but I can’t take a shit without this video playing in the background
I can't believe it's been this long since we lost our privacy privelages. Microsoft is not the hero here.
To be fair to Gates, the jab directed at him at 2h 31m 18s with its ensuing laughter by Boise, should have been objected to instantly by Gates' lawyer.
I refer to the _"One more time."_ comment.
Boise is not quite as smart as he likes to think he is, and only he keeps deciding to keep repeating the _'business model'_ quote, almost as if he's being paid by the word. The episode itself infers that Boise is willing to pursue a matter that's irrelevant - Gates' opinion on his own statements in newspapers. I thought freedom of speech and expression were constitutional rights in the USA?!
Boise also tries to suggest to Gates that his answers should be phrased in a way that only he (Boise) is willing to accept. In this sense Boise is being both unreasonable and biased.
At this time, a lot of Microsoft's competition were just plain jealous of its success, and perfectly willing to keep their heads down on the few major law suits taking place. This is because they were all up to various tricks involving software theft and plagiarism of unpatented or non-copyrighted code.
Gates knew browsers would become prolific and that at some point there would be no need to sell them, as the attracted advertising would eclipse the costs of their relatively simple structures.
Love or hate Gates, in giving away IE when he did, he went for the throats of his competition, not his customers.
I think that I played poker with him online a few years before this.
There's more on What went on. much more. Epstein Bush The Emerates Kings France....u don't know who the children are Really Related To...... Futureistitly. People's children in others hands ......Looking down the road. Think