I have grown up in South Africa during the Apartheid years I witnessed those horrific years. It was a country with no soul. As extremely awful that it was, what is happening in Palestine is much worse. Palestine needs to be free. 😢😢😢
This was a very good episode. Francesca is always so inspirational. Let's get our youth, Palestinian, Israeli, from the West and the global South as Susan said. Let's use their drive for conservation in all its forms and willingness to speak out to promote justice to help our Palestinians to thrive in a peaceful and just land
Thank you! In all of this, let us not forget please the plight of the publisher of warcrimes J. Assange, so dedicated to peace,to our freedom. Hearings in London on 20,21/2/24....
A wonderful talk. Francesca and Susan are both lovely, knowledgeable, compassionate and passionate women. I must say that what Susan said in her final statement really resonated with me. I love that not only did she not condemn the courageous freedom fighters, she actually spoke up and announced the fact that she didn´t condemn them. I´m not Palestinian, but I have to say that when on the first video I saw of the October 7th invasion there was a man silhouetted against the sky, alone on his paraglider, I felt proud and in awe of his courage and just writing these words makes me cry. I don´t celebrate the loss of anyone´s life, but I particularly hope that he lived to fight and emerge victorious another day.
This channel is an Oasis especially for those of us living in Germany. The global North deprives us of the necessity and the urgency of clarity. Everything filters through their guilt where truth, which has never been so indisputable, shatters and gets lost in nuances and vile rhetoric. Keep at it! This is a service for humanity and its sanity against the eclipse of the mind and conscience.
Greatly admire these two intelligent women. The distorted Western mainstream narrative needs to be corrected and Susan did that perfectly with her closing remarks. Defending yourself and your people against a heavily militarised brutal gen@cidal occupying entity should not be demonised.
The fact should not be ignored that an Italian, a Frenchman and an Arab are all conducting this valuable conversation in English! The legacy of American Exceptionalism is everywhere evident but unseen.. It's transparency is phenomena that should never be forgotten, particularly now in Gaza.
Another great discussion. Thanks to all three of you for all your years of trying to get the world to see past the false narratives that we have been fed for so long. I just finished the very enlightening “On Palestine” and it unfortunately seemed like your conversations of 10 years ago could be happening today. I sadly wondered if even Chomsky and Pappe could have imagined how much worse things would be in 2024. 🇵🇸🇿🇦✌️
Merci Frank pour ces conversations si importantes, elles nous donnent la force de continuer à soutenir la Palestine et à espérer. Thanks to Susan, she looks si tired. I hope she will be ok. E grazie Francesca, è una specialista importantissima in questi giorni.
The simple fact that this issue is a "matter of debate" scares the bejeezus out of me! When legalistic argumentation is needed to parse objective reality - then we have ALL descended down the slippery slope towards fascism. If the proclamations of nation-states can supplant age-old, universal, humanistic, cross-cultural principles of right and wrong, then we are all in jeopardy.
Thanks for another thought provoking video wi wonderful guests. I always enjoy listening to what Susan & Francesca have to say. I am not Palestinian but share Susan's thoughts about the freedom fighters. Much of what they said brought tears to my eyes. I have been standing wi Palestine for the past 14 weeks at rallies & other actions & often find myself saying out loud, the very much used chant.."our resistance is existence". Thanks again, looking forward to more.
As an alternative to twitter and Facebook and TH-cam, where it comes to political debates and exchange, *Panquake*, based in Iceland, shows promise, but at the same time, I am pessimistic about that too, as the powers that be, will still try to suffocate all that is free and freeing.
Thank you all for the possibility to hear this talk Susan and Francesca are so intelligent, great thinkers, it was pleasure to hear them. Finger crossed for the intellectual panel, I hope it happens soon.
I love Francesca's necklace, I have seen her wear it in other interviews. For non-arabic speakers, it says حب pronounced "habb", which means "to love".
We need justice for all the countries that the US government had invaded around the world and also the countries they have supported invitations in or coup d’etat.
I dont understand how Israhell has been able to do an occupation treating them like sub human without anyone doing anything? Why did they have to live like that and no country did anything before? I have only recently got into politics since Palestine came to the forefront..im struggling to understand how this was able to carry on for all these years...
Israel have been able to get away with it because most people are ignorant of the historical context - a lack of balanced media coverage, plus corruption of business and political leaders profiting from the occupation, plus the fact that international law is not enforceable.
Susan and Francesca are intelligent women and compassionate for human rights. An excellent conversation. This is a turning point for international lawyers do not give up fight for Justice don’t let these imperialist countries win!! Never let them win!!
Suzanne's initial comments are revelatory and gut wrenching - and key to building solidarity. The global south are mostly on board but people in the west are insulated (as you mention) and too busy worrying about climate change, worsening inequality, affordable housing, the cost of living crisis, poverty etc. Why is this broader implication not discussed more? Palestinian oppression is directly connected with other types of oppression resulting concentration of wealth and power which is accelerating since colonialism leading to neoliberalism, late stage capitalism, crony capitalism, plutocracy, growing fascism...whatever you want to call it. Palestinian liberation is a prerequisite for everyone else's liberation. As MLK Jnr said, noone is free until we are all free. We need to bring everyone on board - one by one. Love the idea of a global conference. Susan, instead of armed resistance, why not a international law that is enforceable - not through global military (shuddering at the thought of such concentrated power) - but by agreement - like a NATO for every country in the world. If one country's leaders break a critical international law such as genocide then all other countries come to defend the human rights. Call me a dreamer but as you said we have to imagine a better alternative ❤
50% of the boards of the social media taycoons shold be in the hands of a ordinary people rotating from around the world. Cheers Francesca always inspiring
So in other words, work hard, build your house and hand it over to some random self proclaimed victim? Yeah right.. You wanna see actual oppression? How about the rich and powerful shut down all technological advancement to the self proclaimed victim classes, and tell them to go build their own stuff? What would the ordinary people do then? At the click of a button, the elites can shut down the internet and all network communication. What would you then do as a nobody? Like were you born today to grasp that life will never be fair? Grow up.
Possibly it is the moment, a moment to appreciate the work of a talented Palestinian, Mohamed Osama ElZakzooki from Gaza. He led a comics workshop I mentored, Zakzoozki always smiling while showcasing his dedication as the dynamo, founder, secretary, accountant, and facilitator - what a white-hearted young man! We became virtual friends, we were preparing to bring his comics dream zine to life. He called it “transit”. But sadly, after Oct. 7th, our communication stopped. Only recently did I stumble in the account of one of the attendees. She told me that during the insane bombing, Osama ElZakzooki lost his life!. #RememberZakzoki”
Unfortunately , what Susan said is so on point , it seems only armed resistance has worked in waking up not only Israel but the world , not peaceful resistance . Israel for a long time denied the existente of Palestinians as co people as human .
I am looking forward to this podcast today but before I clicked on it, my 👁️ caught something that netanyahu said on another podcast which was: "the ICJ will not stop us. SO this gave me fear because when they are found culpable of genocide , unless they have the ability to remove this man and his cohorts from his country and transport him to the area where he will be either imprisoned or-- if they follow the template of Nuremberg -- executed, what can be done to facilitate that. thtey must be enabled or permitted to physically force him out of the zionist state and into the area where he will be incarcerated. CAN this be done? is my question🤔
This is why I believe we need to find a way to make international law enforceable somehow without creating a centralised power or military (which would be too risky as we know power corrupts)
Proposal for an interview discussion topic: Germany’s position before ICJ and Namibia’s almost instantaneous reply. What does this tell us about Europe, the Global South, and moral authority?
Frank- by constantly only referencing RSA /Apartheid and mandela you add layers of ethnic cleansing with respect to our people The Khoikhoi whose land is now governed by a black occupying power.
All colonists destroy the history of their victims so they can rewrite it for future propaganda purposes. This is to make them look like the good guys and their conquered, the bad guys. History is written by the victors and there is a protection racket surrounding them which allows them to operate with impunity.
To steal the truth to destroy facts to change any historical facts and history that was preserved. As we all know the history we know is flawed and written by occupiers who malign the native and glorify the occupiers. Those were the oldest books preserving art poetry history etc
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I have grown up in South Africa during the Apartheid years
I witnessed those horrific years. It was a country with no soul. As extremely awful that it was, what is happening in Palestine is much worse. Palestine needs to be free. 😢😢😢
you look like the south african cricketer Dale Steyn.
400,000 protesting the genocide in Gaza
th-cam.com/video/pTg3I3Z9uAk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EwZa11rDboNFL-PR
Please arrange a conference.
Great journalism Frank. ❤❤
I'm so glad this is a series. Your brilliant analysis and guests are a breath of fresh air in these otherwise dark times.
Susan's opening thoughts moved me to tears...of course will listen to all...thank you Frank and all those bringing sanity during these terrible times.
Very interesting conversation w two intelligent and admirable women 👍
This was a very good episode. Francesca is always so inspirational. Let's get our youth, Palestinian, Israeli, from the West and the global South as Susan said. Let's use their drive for conservation in all its forms and willingness to speak out to promote justice to help our Palestinians to thrive in a peaceful and just land
Thank you!
In all of this, let us not forget please the plight of the publisher of warcrimes J. Assange, so dedicated to peace,to our freedom. Hearings in London on 20,21/2/24....
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Publish, FREE ASSANGE, on so-called sovereign monopoly money.
Remember that a statement of sovereignty is not secular.
A wonderful talk. Francesca and Susan are both lovely, knowledgeable, compassionate and passionate women. I must say that what Susan said in her final statement really resonated with me. I love that not only did she not condemn the courageous freedom fighters, she actually spoke up and announced the fact that she didn´t condemn them. I´m not Palestinian, but I have to say that when on the first video I saw of the October 7th invasion there was a man silhouetted against the sky, alone on his paraglider, I felt proud and in awe of his courage and just writing these words makes me cry. I don´t celebrate the loss of anyone´s life, but I particularly hope that he lived to fight and emerge victorious another day.
Excellent and much needed discussion. You are doing stellar work, Frank.
Two brilliant guests. Thanks
This channel is an Oasis especially for those of us living in Germany. The global North deprives us of the necessity and the urgency of clarity. Everything filters through their guilt where truth, which has never been so indisputable, shatters and gets lost in nuances and vile rhetoric. Keep at it! This is a service for humanity and its sanity against the eclipse of the mind and conscience.
thank you Frank, great journalist
Greatly admire these two intelligent women. The distorted Western mainstream narrative needs to be corrected and Susan did that perfectly with her closing remarks. Defending yourself and your people against a heavily militarised brutal gen@cidal occupying entity should not be demonised.
Wow what a pairing! Thank you Frank for brining both these amazing women on to your channel at the same time 🙏🏻
The fact should not be ignored that an Italian, a Frenchman and an Arab are all conducting this valuable conversation in English! The legacy of American Exceptionalism is everywhere evident but unseen.. It's transparency is phenomena that should never be forgotten, particularly now in Gaza.
Of course they can speak English lol
Honestly it's more English exceptionalism than American. The name, and history, of the language is the clue.
Let’s please take a minute and applaud the colonisers of the world because they gave us English. 🙄
Another great discussion. Thanks to all three of you for all your years of trying to get the world to see past the false narratives that we have been fed for so long. I just finished the very enlightening “On Palestine” and it unfortunately seemed like your conversations of 10 years ago could be happening today. I sadly wondered if even Chomsky and Pappe could have imagined how much worse things would be in 2024. 🇵🇸🇿🇦✌️
Merci Frank pour ces conversations si importantes, elles nous donnent la force de continuer à soutenir la Palestine et à espérer. Thanks to Susan, she looks si tired. I hope she will be ok. E grazie Francesca, è una specialista importantissima in questi giorni.
Thanks guys for your work❤
Thank you Frank, great interview!
Thank you for this brilliant interview and as always Susu and Francesca are amazing.
The simple fact that this issue is a "matter of debate" scares the bejeezus out of me! When legalistic argumentation is needed to parse objective reality - then we have ALL descended down the slippery slope towards fascism. If the proclamations of nation-states can supplant age-old, universal, humanistic, cross-cultural principles of right and wrong, then we are all in jeopardy.
Very well put, treefrog.
Such a valuable discussion! Thank you for opening up the central issues beyond political talk.
Thanks for another thought provoking video wi wonderful guests. I always enjoy listening to what Susan & Francesca have to say. I am not Palestinian but share Susan's thoughts about the freedom fighters. Much of what they said brought tears to my eyes. I have been standing wi Palestine for the past 14 weeks at rallies & other actions & often find myself saying out loud, the very much used chant.."our resistance is existence". Thanks again, looking forward to more.
Excellent presentation and program 👏 👍 👌
I love the Palestinians Susan.❤❤My hart is broken.
Amazing conversation. Thanks for bringing it to us. 2 absolutely brilliant women
This is such a daunting task but we have to start somewhere. Thank you.
This is the type of content I need to keep me sane 😌 rn.
Thank you Frank
🌎 ❤ 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 ❤
Merci Frank
Thank you for supporting Palestine. Free free Palestine ! Thank you very much...
Great discussion! I am totally with Susan, I also salute the resistance and will never condemn them.
My admiration for your two guests who speak so honestly and intelligently and who stand with justice and humanity .
MAKING THIS DEVISTATION BECOME CLEAR TO WHY FOR US AND THANK YOU FOR OPENING OUR MINDS!
As an alternative to twitter and Facebook and TH-cam, where it comes to political debates and exchange, *Panquake*, based in Iceland, shows promise, but at the same time, I am pessimistic about that too, as the powers that be, will still try to suffocate all that is free and freeing.
Thanks
Great conversation! Thank you to the 3 of you. ❤❤❤
Love Francesca & Susan. The resistance should be celebrated for their bravery and not demonized by the media
Thank YOU 🌻🌍🇧🇷💜🇾🇪🇵🇸🕊🌸💞🇵🇸
Wonderful interview! All my respects for this two brave committed women!
Amazing conversation ❤ francesca is amazing
Thank you all for the possibility to hear this talk Susan and Francesca are so intelligent, great thinkers, it was pleasure to hear them.
Finger crossed for the intellectual panel, I hope it happens soon.
Speaking truth to power
I love Francesca's necklace, I have seen her wear it in other interviews. For non-arabic speakers, it says حب pronounced "habb", which means "to love".
That was a brilliant episode and the crossover we needed❤❤❤
Good discussion
I would like to salute the Gaza resistance as well. I will not condemn then. So well articulated Susan Abulhawa.
Thankyou
Quelquefois, quelque chose , , ,, thankyou all for good discusion struggling with the positive, 2024.
The soul of the Palestinians must become the soul of all Humanity
We need justice for all the countries that the US government had invaded around the world and also the countries they have supported invitations in or coup d’etat.
I kept watching your little dog Susan. Its gradually melting into the dog bed, getting more and more relaxed.
Agree with you Susan about the Resistance
Francesca is very optimistic. I hope she’s right.
I dont understand how Israhell has been able to do an occupation treating them like sub human without anyone doing anything? Why did they have to live like that and no country did anything before? I have only recently got into politics since Palestine came to the forefront..im struggling to understand how this was able to carry on for all these years...
Under the protection of US/UK, Europe hiding his head, the rest have no power, that’s what I see… and it’s horrendous
Israel have been able to get away with it because most people are ignorant of the historical context - a lack of balanced media coverage, plus corruption of business and political leaders profiting from the occupation, plus the fact that international law is not enforceable.
♥️♥️♥️🇵🇸🍀
♥♥♥FREE PALESTINE♥♥♥
Susan and Francesca are intelligent women and compassionate for human rights. An excellent conversation. This is a turning point for international lawyers do not give up fight for Justice don’t let these imperialist countries win!! Never let them win!!
Suzanne's initial comments are revelatory and gut wrenching - and key to building solidarity. The global south are mostly on board but people in the west are insulated (as you mention) and too busy worrying about climate change, worsening inequality, affordable housing, the cost of living crisis, poverty etc. Why is this broader implication not discussed more? Palestinian oppression is directly connected with other types of oppression resulting concentration of wealth and power which is accelerating since colonialism leading to neoliberalism, late stage capitalism, crony capitalism, plutocracy, growing fascism...whatever you want to call it. Palestinian liberation is a prerequisite for everyone else's liberation. As MLK Jnr said, noone is free until we are all free. We need to bring everyone on board - one by one. Love the idea of a global conference. Susan, instead of armed resistance, why not a international law that is enforceable - not through global military (shuddering at the thought of such concentrated power) - but by agreement - like a NATO for every country in the world. If one country's leaders break a critical international law such as genocide then all other countries come to defend the human rights. Call me a dreamer but as you said we have to imagine a better alternative ❤
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50% of the boards of the social media taycoons shold be in the hands of a ordinary people rotating from around the world.
Cheers Francesca always inspiring
So in other words, work hard, build your house and hand it over to some random self proclaimed victim? Yeah right.. You wanna see actual oppression? How about the rich and powerful shut down all technological advancement to the self proclaimed victim classes, and tell them to go build their own stuff?
What would the ordinary people do then? At the click of a button, the elites can shut down the internet and all network communication. What would you then do as a nobody? Like were you born today to grasp that life will never be fair?
Grow up.
“The jew haters” should be name of this show
Why wouldn't you call it the Israel haters? You are conflating
Yes Zionist
Possibly it is the moment, a moment to appreciate the work of a talented Palestinian, Mohamed Osama ElZakzooki from Gaza. He led a comics workshop I mentored, Zakzoozki always smiling while showcasing his dedication as the dynamo, founder, secretary, accountant, and facilitator - what a white-hearted young man! We became virtual friends, we were preparing to bring his comics dream zine to life. He called it “transit”. But sadly, after Oct. 7th, our communication stopped. Only recently did I stumble in the account of one of the attendees. She told me that during the insane bombing, Osama ElZakzooki lost his life!.
#RememberZakzoki”
Great conversation and a poignant testimony from Susan.
Unfortunately , what Susan said is so on point , it seems only armed resistance has worked in waking up not only Israel but the world , not peaceful resistance . Israel for a long time denied the existente of Palestinians as co people as human .
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The problem here in the United States is at APAC buys all the politicians
Wish it was possible to put more thumbs-up . We're reduced to this.
I am looking forward to this podcast today but before I clicked on it, my 👁️ caught something that netanyahu said on another podcast which was: "the ICJ will not stop us. SO this gave me fear because when they are found culpable of genocide , unless they have the ability to remove this man and his cohorts from his country and transport him to the area where he will be either imprisoned or-- if they follow the template of Nuremberg -- executed, what can be done to facilitate that. thtey must be enabled or permitted to physically force him out of the zionist state and into the area where he will be incarcerated. CAN this be done? is my question🤔
This is why I believe we need to find a way to make international law enforceable somehow without creating a centralised power or military (which would be too risky as we know power corrupts)
Very good discussion, they try to show arabs as not civilized.
Proposal for an interview discussion topic: Germany’s position before ICJ and Namibia’s almost instantaneous reply. What does this tell us about Europe, the Global South, and moral authority?
Je passe un message pour vous que je vois dans mon facebook message tu connais l'arabe je veux parler de ça tu vas cogner la la langue arabe
Rumble
Frank- by constantly only referencing RSA /Apartheid and mandela you add layers of ethnic cleansing with respect to our people The Khoikhoi whose land is now governed by a black occupying power.
Why would Israel steal and hold Palestinian books?! That is bizarre
All colonists destroy the history of their victims so they can rewrite it for future propaganda purposes. This is to make them look like the good guys and their conquered, the bad guys. History is written by the victors and there is a protection racket surrounding them which allows them to operate with impunity.
To steal the truth to destroy facts to change any historical facts and history that was preserved. As we all know the history we know is flawed and written by occupiers who malign the native and glorify the occupiers. Those were the oldest books preserving art poetry history etc
I had no idea
Activism will not work because what BR wants…BR gets 😉