'If I must die, you must live to tell my story' - Palestinian poet Refaat Alareer wrote this poem and posted it on social media on November 1, 2023, and Killed by an Israeli missile on Nov. 7th 2023
As a teacher, it is refreshing to see that you refer to poet, activist teacher, Refaat Alareer who was murdered by Israel; I too believe that his lovely words will & must go on.
Thank you to all for this interesting discussion, Susan Abulhawa's closing statement was deeply moving & should make us all consider how so-called 'Western democracies' who pretend to champion human rights, have tolerated the brutally oppressive treatment metered out to the Palestinian people for the last 75 years, supplying money & weapons throughout to successive governments in Israel throughout this time!
"There's a profound disease in that society today" ( Israeli society) ~Francesca Albanese~ Thank you all for a frank and an honest discussion. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
I hope Secretary Blinken who said "There is no merit in this case" is listening to this conversation. Along with his his remarks, Jewish authorities said "this case is baseless" WOW!! The main principal of humanity, HUMAN RIGHTS CONVENTION now STINKS. Why? Because it's dead.
Thanks to all of you for continuing to work so hard for the Palestinian cause. My heart is broken for Susan and all Palestinian and oppressed people.The Yemeni people too. Such solidarity. Their strength is like nothing I have witnessed 🙏❤💚🖤🤍🇵🇸🇾🇪🇿🇦
Wonderful conversation thank you! I’m glad to hear talk about the cultural destruction being carried out. When this is settled(with a beautiful vision of Palestinian statehood, sovereignty, safety and security always in my mind now), a concerted effort to regain the lost cultural history and restore Palestinian culture for the children as quickly as possible needs to be made. My thoughts, qualified, I am no psychologist; Put them on a path of restoration and recovery of the good, rather than see them devolve into the pain and resentment of what’s been done to them. When it comes they will need to learn that the time for anger and fighting is done.
The Palestinians had to get creative, just like the Cubans did because of the blockades… so fascinating. I am an American and I hope that the international court can put a stop to the West bullying the world.
You have hit the nail right on the HEAD about international law serving the INTEREST of the West. You also point out the local laws that only serve the rich people.
Why has it taken South Africa to bring this genocide to the IJC and not the Arab States that could have collectively embargoed Israels oil? Why are the nations in the region unable to support with non violent actions the rights of Palestinians?
Israel were very quick to call South Africa anti-semitic when they filed the case at the ICJ. Imagine the onslaught had it been filed by an Arab State - they would have been labelled an 'anti-semitic, jihadist state intent on destroying the West' - complete nonsense of course but there's no doubt in my mind that trope would have been readily swallowed by the many, many Islamaphobes in the West.
@@knowledgeispower6726You may call people what you want, but it is a fact, here in the West,, many equate Islam, or the Muslim faith with a loss of freedom and an excuse for our own governments to introduce censorship, Arabs ran the East African slave trade for more than a thousand years, castration was their population control mechanism, No region of the world is pure, never has been, and never will be
These countries ruled by dictators assigned by US and the west. And when i say this , i don't mean the people by the governments foreign policy. Someone fair need to ensure justice system in the world is still OK and running
nation states that are wholly complicit in the ongoing genocide of their own indigenous populations have a vested interest in turning a blind eye. calling out another countries genocide would inevitably put the light on their own active genocide. as a canadian genocide victim, i can confirm this first hand. the worst part? all i got for my govt having me raped and tortured was effectively the price of a cup of coffee a day, and that coffee is getting cheaper and cheaper every day because my link to my people and culture is permanently severed thanks to my abject worthlessness as a disabled person leaving me waiting to die in legislated poverty.
Susan has such a gift with language using her intelligent discrimination for bringing the simple story forth in a way that makes our humanity still possible. Thanks, Frank, for the space you hold for powerful women bringing their contributions to wake us up to act in ways we can to stop this.
How will it affect the US' standing in the world after (not if) ICJ rules there is a genocide going on - and that it needs to stop, AND that the US continues to block all resolutions calling for cease fire? How much will it expedite the multipolar world order, and minimize the role of the west? This court hearing and coming ruling is fork in the road, which leads to a different direction for the west and the rest.
What I’d appreciate when talking about violence on Palestinian people is that you could always mention at least one other group of people who have suffered through this right extremism of white supremist violence. For example, the Indigenous Indians in America, the Aborigines in Australia, the enslaved in America, and even the indigenous in South America and Canada, and so many more. . . IF YOU WANT TO UNITE PEOPLE ACROSS THE GLOBE. And not every single one but at least mention two when you speak, and rotate them, don’t do the same ones over and over. Go back in history if you have to. The Opium Wars in China by the British for example.
Thank you for another great video and thank you all for being the resistance, may the the peace and blessings of Allah subhana wa ta'ala be upon you all and all who are on the front line, the victims and everyone who are suffering and struggling, you know who you are, may we all be gathered on Judgement day to witness what we may not live to see in this life, may the martyrs and innocent victims be in the shade of Allah subhana wa ta'ala and rejoice in the company of all the Prophet's peace be upon them all, in the highest place in Jannat e Firdous Ameen ya Rabbul aalamin. ⏳️
22:16 I have thought about this a lot and it seems to me that an enormous number of citizens would need to have a full understanding of the essential problem of human ego born of thought. It wants security but always wants a security that does not exist and out of this it begins to crystallize a Supremacist ideology taking on many forms…religious, nationalist, etc. This like a drug for the ego which can appear so innocuous. The taming of human ego means not just equality among humans but a recognition of all Life on the planet as valid and ESSENTIAL. The web of life can not function as a healthily if one species imagines itself to be supreme, important or solely sacred. IF this understanding becomes widespread then a change of justice in the world would follow. Without it (because this has no meaning if it is imposed) a reformation will end up being a new egoistic perversion of justice. Therefore, we must continue the dialogues, the exposing of this uniquely human cancerous thought and use these extreme examples of egoistic conflict (Zionism) to learn about ourselves. We ARE the world. Thank you all for this conversation. I have been listening intensely and consistently for some time and it has helped me to have incites and epiphanies. So many helped me to understand the history of Gaza and I am blessed to support them in their recovery.❤️🩹 What a confluence of human history this is… Where will we go from here???
It’s not really about “human ego,” it’s about childhood trauma. People who were raised in love and respect will find it easy to love and respect others later on. But those who were born to over-controlling, abusive parents will have a drive to later treat others the same way they were treated by their parents. It’s really about parenting, not some vague, generalized ideas about “ego.”
I was looking up the South African apartheid connection. Many 20,000 the article mentioned , Africaners converting to judaism and moved to israel since late 1990s So birds of a feather flock together.
As Fanon said, ‘the colonised man liberates himself in and through violence’. He didn’t endorse violence but recognised that violence is central to the colonial system and anticolonial violence is not an irrational response
Even though hamas attacked who is hamas. And is it possible that hamas is a Israeli plant in order to call a war so that the bengorian canal can be built.
Russia and Ukaraine are two states with armies fighting each other. Israel is an occupying country killing the unarmed people whose country it occupies, who it has subjugated in a brutal apartheid regeime, and whose land it has stolen....no comparison.
I think it's time for the victims to stop reacting so surprised while the same dirty game has been played for more than 400 years. time to wake up brothers and sisters.
For all her moral stances, F. Albanese is the typical western leftist who cannot fathom liberation struggle through arms. These people will look for "excuses", such as "violence being a response to violence", which in itself is not wrong, but in this case tends to delegitimise arm struggle which is allowed by international law. It is in a sense a reversal of Frantz Fanon's understanding of liberation struggle as a response to brutal colonisation and imperialism. It will be enlightening to challenge otherwise well meaning people like her in that aspect. In a sense, and as many anti-imperial and liberation scholars (like Lakota scholar Nick Estes in the US) have said, delegitimising arm struggle is to accept the colonised only as good victims, and never when they stand up through their own means. This has produced the NGO-industrial complex, as many have said. Principled anti-imperialists, particularly those "on the other side of imperialism (i.e., in the West) should condone any means the colonised use to free themselves. Anything short of that is playing within the hands of the imperialists.
@@fun_ghoulThat comment does not negate condemning any arm struggle as "violence". Violence has a negative connotation, even though it can and is justified in situations of liberation. And she herself justified that by saying that is how people in the field of law always view violence. And that is what any truly anti-imperialist person should criticise since the law itself has been written by imperialists.
"Concert"...you mean the MDMA rave where Diaper Force jets struck the Israelis in their cars with Hellfire missiles as they tried in vain to flee? Remember, Einstein: The resistance wanted live captives for exchange, not Hannibal roast pork! 🍖
We need new leadership who will come from the new generation, we will vote them, bring them to power and they will bring the chance. Its going to happen soon because they are on their way. These disturbed leaders of the West are not going to be there forever. The time and tide is changing. The change is coming.
Francesca in 100% of the definition “The wrong woman at the wrong time at the wrong place” and we should add the wrong ideology. She made so much damage in her approach instead of helping.
It’s absurd. The more Israel did to live peacefully along Palestine (gaza withdrawal, granting work visas, treating Palestinians in Israeli hospitals etc…), the more violent Humus became towards Israel. It shows they aren’t interested in peace.
It was amazing talking to you both, Francesca and Susan .
Thank you all!
Thanks, Frank شكرا
'If I must die, you must live to tell my story' - Palestinian poet Refaat Alareer wrote this poem and posted it on social media on November 1, 2023, and Killed by an Israeli missile on Nov. 7th 2023
As a teacher, it is refreshing to see that you refer to poet, activist teacher, Refaat Alareer who was murdered by Israel; I too believe that his lovely words will & must go on.
Can you post the poem here please?
Its not the Eyes but the hearts that are blind.
C.f. “How Emotional Blindness is Created: 21 Points” by Alice Miller.
Susan is a great writer & thinker, glad you have her on.
"They were not content to live without aspirations." Susan Abulhawa
My heart bleeds for Palestine!
Reparations to Palestinians
Great interview, thank you
Brilliant! All of you, brilliant.
Thank you to all for this interesting discussion, Susan Abulhawa's closing statement was deeply moving & should make us all consider how so-called 'Western democracies' who pretend to champion human rights, have tolerated the brutally oppressive treatment metered out to the Palestinian people for the last 75 years, supplying money & weapons throughout to successive governments in Israel throughout this time!
Brilliant interview
ELOQUENTLY SPOKEN EVERYONE.
I WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO & SURPRISED IT KEPT ME FOCUSED.
THANX 4 INFORMATIVE VIDEO. GOD BLESS U ALL.
FREE PALESTINE.
Great show. Even as you and the rest of us struggle for answers, your conversations give me hope.
"There's a profound disease in that society today" ( Israeli society)
~Francesca Albanese~
Thank you all for a frank and an honest discussion.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Francesca is seriously cute.
It’s medicine to listen to you 3 🙏
Not allowing ambulance to pass through the barricades and purposely delaying them for hours
Not to mention actively targetting ambulances, hospitals, schools and journalists. Genocide is the ugliest of crimes against humanity.
Beyond SICK
Beyond SICK
Beyond SICK
Beyond SICK
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Arrest US and UK
I hope Secretary Blinken who said "There is no merit in this case" is listening to this conversation. Along with his his remarks, Jewish authorities said "this case is baseless" WOW!! The main principal of humanity, HUMAN RIGHTS CONVENTION now STINKS. Why? Because it's dead.
Thank you for the truth.
No justice, no peace
Francesca is so brave! That’s integrity!
Thank you so much fir this wonderful discussion 👏🏻🇵🇸
Wonderful discussion. Thank you.
Bravo ladies! And Frank! Love R.
Arrest all IOF
Thank you so much, Susan.
Thanks to all of you for continuing to work so hard for the Palestinian cause. My heart is broken for Susan and all Palestinian and oppressed people.The Yemeni people too. Such solidarity. Their strength is like nothing I have witnessed 🙏❤💚🖤🤍🇵🇸🇾🇪🇿🇦
Great discussion. Great people.
Susan and Francesca are both remarkable human beings
Free free Palestine 🇵🇸
Wonderful conversation thank you!
I’m glad to hear talk about the cultural destruction being carried out. When this is settled(with a beautiful vision of Palestinian statehood, sovereignty, safety and security always in my mind now), a concerted effort to regain the lost cultural history and restore Palestinian culture for the children as quickly as possible needs to be made.
My thoughts, qualified, I am no psychologist; Put them on a path of restoration and recovery of the good, rather than see them devolve into the pain and resentment of what’s been done to them. When it comes they will need to learn that the time for anger and fighting is done.
Damn, I'm only 12 minutes in and I'm already on my feet. It's so refreshing to hear people not mince words and speak with clarity and conviction.
The Palestinians had to get creative, just like the Cubans did because of the blockades… so fascinating. I am an American and I hope that the international court can put a stop to the West bullying the world.
Well said, thank you!
Thank-you so much for this. And thank-you Susan, for your closing remarks. this was deeply powerful.
Amazing guests! Susan and Francesca are such awesome thought leaders during this disruptive period of history!
This interview was a breath of fresh air ❤
Restricting nutrition to Gaza during seige
It used to be “Starvation-Plus.” Now it’s just starvation....
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Yes, amazing talk and deep heartfelt understanding 💝💝💝💝🇦🇪🇦🇪💝💝
Thank you. Respect.
You have hit the nail right on the HEAD about international law serving the INTEREST of the West.
You also point out the local laws that only serve the rich people.
Thank you Frank; it was great listening to you all. Susan said what I was extracting from the all this horror. ❤❤
Thank you for posting this 🍉
❤I love all of you❤
Why has it taken South Africa to bring this genocide to the IJC and not the Arab States that could have collectively embargoed Israels oil? Why are the nations in the region unable to support with non violent actions the rights of Palestinians?
Israel were very quick to call South Africa anti-semitic when they filed the case at the ICJ. Imagine the onslaught had it been filed by an Arab State - they would have been labelled an 'anti-semitic, jihadist state intent on destroying the West' - complete nonsense of course but there's no doubt in my mind that trope would have been readily swallowed by the many, many Islamaphobes in the West.
@@knowledgeispower6726You may call people what you want, but it is a fact, here in the West,, many equate Islam, or the Muslim faith with a loss of freedom and an excuse for our own governments to introduce censorship,
Arabs ran the East African slave trade for more than a thousand years, castration was their population control mechanism,
No region of the world is pure, never has been, and never will be
Exactly
These countries ruled by dictators assigned by US and the west. And when i say this , i don't mean the people by the governments foreign policy. Someone fair need to ensure justice system in the world is still OK and running
nation states that are wholly complicit in the ongoing genocide of their own indigenous populations have a vested interest in turning a blind eye. calling out another countries genocide would inevitably put the light on their own active genocide.
as a canadian genocide victim, i can confirm this first hand. the worst part? all i got for my govt having me raped and tortured was effectively the price of a cup of coffee a day, and that coffee is getting cheaper and cheaper every day because my link to my people and culture is permanently severed thanks to my abject worthlessness as a disabled person leaving me waiting to die in legislated poverty.
Thank you so much for this talk. I ADORE that you let the women speak. We do need more of this and more women in power. ❤ you are indeed right.
Thank you for this conversation - Susan's closing words say it all.
The part about an army of orphans - very vivid and powerful
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Susan has such a gift with language using her intelligent discrimination for bringing the simple story forth in a way that makes our humanity still possible.
Thanks, Frank, for the space you hold for powerful women bringing their contributions to wake us up to act in ways we can to stop this.
Viva PAlestina.🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Great people great presentation!
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Agree 100%
Justice and freedom for Palestine ✊
Free free Palestine 🇵🇸❤️
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How will it affect the US' standing in the world after (not if) ICJ rules there is a genocide going on - and that it needs to stop, AND that the US continues to block all resolutions calling for cease fire? How much will it expedite the multipolar world order, and minimize the role of the west? This court hearing and coming ruling is fork in the road, which leads to a different direction for the west and the rest.
What I’d appreciate when talking about violence on Palestinian people is that you could always mention at least one other group of people who have suffered through this right extremism of white supremist violence.
For example, the Indigenous Indians in America, the Aborigines in Australia, the enslaved in America, and even the indigenous in South America and Canada, and so many more. . . IF YOU WANT TO UNITE PEOPLE ACROSS THE GLOBE.
And not every single one but at least mention two when you speak, and rotate them, don’t do the same ones over and over. Go back in history if you have to. The Opium Wars in China by the British for example.
I'd settle for Palestinians not calling themselves "Palestinian-American", "-Canadian", etc. Liberalism sucks.
Thank you for another great video and thank you all for being the resistance, may the the peace and blessings of Allah subhana wa ta'ala be upon you all and all who are on the front line, the victims and everyone who are suffering and struggling, you know who you are, may we all be gathered on Judgement day to witness what we may not live to see in this life, may the martyrs and innocent victims be in the shade of Allah subhana wa ta'ala and rejoice in the company of all the Prophet's peace be upon them all, in the highest place in Jannat e Firdous Ameen ya Rabbul aalamin. ⏳️
22:16 I have thought about this a lot and it seems to me that an enormous number of citizens would need to have a full understanding of the essential problem of human ego born of thought. It wants security but always wants a security that does not exist and out of this it begins to crystallize a Supremacist ideology taking on many forms…religious, nationalist, etc. This like a drug for the ego which can appear so innocuous. The taming of human ego means not just equality among humans but a recognition of all Life on the planet as valid and ESSENTIAL. The web of life can not function as a healthily if one species imagines itself to be supreme, important or solely sacred. IF this understanding becomes widespread then a change of justice in the world would follow. Without it (because this has no meaning if it is imposed) a reformation will end up being a new egoistic perversion of justice. Therefore, we must continue the dialogues, the exposing of this uniquely human cancerous thought and use these extreme examples of egoistic conflict (Zionism) to learn about ourselves. We ARE the world. Thank you all for this conversation. I have been listening intensely and consistently for some time and it has helped me to have incites and epiphanies. So many helped me to understand the history of Gaza and I am blessed to support them in their recovery.❤️🩹 What a confluence of human history this is… Where will we go from here???
It’s not really about “human ego,” it’s about childhood trauma. People who were raised in love and respect will find it easy to love and respect others later on. But those who were born to over-controlling, abusive parents will have a drive to later treat others the same way they were treated by their parents. It’s really about parenting, not some vague, generalized ideas about “ego.”
@@penyarol83 which of these two types of parenting did you experience?
I was looking up the South African apartheid connection. Many 20,000 the article mentioned , Africaners converting to judaism and moved to israel since late 1990s
So birds of a feather flock together.
You know about Vela?
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Oh those small PR gestures that are withheld by whim justify the overwhelming reality of cruel oppression
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Very informative and heart breaking story at the same time!
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Sort these comments by 'Newest first' because interesting and polite comments that provide Pal' info are shadow banned by this platform.
RUBBISH!
Israel claims that Hummus and Falafel are Israeli original dishes.
Very, very, very true…their world is crumbling down…the so called older baby boomers generation, is fading fast.
"International racism" is of the self proclaimed International tribe..
As Fanon said, ‘the colonised man liberates himself in and through violence’. He didn’t endorse violence but recognised that violence is central to the colonial system and anticolonial violence is not an irrational response
Even though hamas attacked who is hamas. And is it possible that hamas is a Israeli plant in order to call a war so that the bengorian canal can be built.
it's not only possible, it's a literal fact that israel helped create hamas.
@@jn1211and continues to fund it
@@jn1211 This narrative aged like milk.
What a great and deeply thoughtful discussion. Thank you.
Jeep US and UK german Governments out of it
Donbass and palestine same thing,,,did you protest both?
Russia and Ukaraine are two states with armies fighting each other. Israel is an occupying country killing the unarmed people whose country it occupies, who it has subjugated in a brutal apartheid regeime, and whose land it has stolen....no comparison.
I think it's time for the victims to stop reacting so surprised while the same dirty game has been played for more than 400 years.
time to wake up brothers and sisters.
Your comment demonstrates a lack of empathy. Work on yourself, bud.
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For all her moral stances, F. Albanese is the typical western leftist who cannot fathom liberation struggle through arms. These people will look for "excuses", such as "violence being a response to violence", which in itself is not wrong, but in this case tends to delegitimise arm struggle which is allowed by international law. It is in a sense a reversal of Frantz Fanon's understanding of liberation struggle as a response to brutal colonisation and imperialism.
It will be enlightening to challenge otherwise well meaning people like her in that aspect. In a sense, and as many anti-imperial and liberation scholars (like Lakota scholar Nick Estes in the US) have said, delegitimising arm struggle is to accept the colonised only as good victims, and never when they stand up through their own means. This has produced the NGO-industrial complex, as many have said.
Principled anti-imperialists, particularly those "on the other side of imperialism (i.e., in the West) should condone any means the colonised use to free themselves. Anything short of that is playing within the hands of the imperialists.
Pointedly ignorant comment. She literally says in the same breath "How much can you oppress a people before waiting for a reaction?"
@@fun_ghoulThat comment does not negate condemning any arm struggle as "violence". Violence has a negative connotation, even though it can and is justified in situations of liberation. And she herself justified that by saying that is how people in the field of law always view violence. And that is what any truly anti-imperialist person should criticise since the law itself has been written by imperialists.
@@leroitiaks Violence means what it means. You're trying to do a liberal redefinition of the word. Stop.
who kill justice?
israel is true E V I L
*European settler colonial states are...
No offence meant, but What about findings from MARK ZLOCHIN...Comp Scientist & Data Analyst on the numbers ?
Was the concert deal lightly armed, how do you tell people to be humane to something like that ?
"Concert"...you mean the MDMA rave where Diaper Force jets struck the Israelis in their cars with Hellfire missiles as they tried in vain to flee? Remember, Einstein: The resistance wanted live captives for exchange, not Hannibal roast pork! 🍖
How about giving back the hostages and making sure that aid money doesnt get stollen again?
Yeah yt people are crazy
✡️🤍✝️🤍☪️ GENESIS 12:3 ☪️🤍✝️🤍✡️
We need new leadership who will come from the new generation, we will vote them, bring them to power and they will bring the chance. Its going to happen soon because they are on their way. These disturbed leaders of the West are not going to be there forever. The time and tide is changing. The change is coming.
Voting is meaningless in capitalist states.
I have never actually heard such utter bazaar conversation amongst such prejudiced people in my life
Then stop watching MSM
Bazaar conversation...do you mean haggling? I'm not at that part of the video yet, apparently.
Calling the IDF's mission in Gaza a genocide just makes you look uninformed and brainwashed.
What's your mission? 🐷
Francesca in 100% of the definition “The wrong woman at the wrong time at the wrong place” and we should add the wrong ideology. She made so much damage in her approach instead of helping.
Explain.
It’s absurd. The more Israel did to live peacefully along Palestine (gaza withdrawal, granting work visas, treating Palestinians in Israeli hospitals etc…), the more violent Humus became towards Israel. It shows they aren’t interested in peace.
Wake up. You are blind, deaf, without heart and mind. Indoctrinated.
Why not live in peace in Germany? You know damn well Kaufmann isn't Semitic!
I could listen to Francesca all day, sorry but Susan not so much, very cringe.
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Vague longterm hopes. Lacks shorterm tactics / strategies.
Those can't be doled out in a video, child.
It's Hamas's genocide in Gaza.
Oh...does Hamas bomb babies with F-16s and Bunker Busters?