Time to REPLACE Your BRS-3000T Ultralight Titanium Stove? - Fire Maple FMS-116T
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.พ. 2022
- For what seems like several years the BRS-3000T stove has been the most popular ultralight titanium backpacking stove, and for good reason. But, is it time to start looking at another option?
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Those two points that you pointed out are the reason we use the BRS in the first place. Its half the weight of this one and super inexpensive. The packability is a lot smaller as well. If I was going with another stove I'd just bite the bullet and get the Soto Windmaster. Which is actually something I'm thinking about.
My thoughts exactly. BRS is cheapest and lightest. If I was going to spend a lot on a stove, I'm skipping everything in between and going for the Soto Windmaster.
I definitely endorse the windmaster. I have a good number of stoves (only 10, not as many as our resident stove master here) and it never ceases to impress me with its power. Paired with a heat exchanger kettle it’s blisteringly fast. Melted a liter of snow into water in just over 5 min and a full boil in 10 at 20 degrees F and that wasn’t even with the kettle, they was with my halulite duelist
I love the BRS for all the reasons said here. But it does burn through more fuel faster and especially sucks in breezy conditions and becomes weaker as your canister gets emptier this leading to even longer boil times each time you use your canister until it's all empty.
I ended up getting a MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe to try out because it was on sale with a big discount at a local retailer. I still ended up getting a Windmaster too because so many love theirs. Honestly both are great and will burn fuel more efficiently giving you more value out of each canister, perform better in wind, and burn with almost same pressure on nearly empty canister as a full canister making it so boil times remain faster and consistent due to their micro regulators. No issues with the pezo igniter on the MSR yet but I took the Soto up into the Wind Rivers last summer and its igniter stopped working on me in our higher camps and had to light it manually with a lighter. Only when we got lower again did it start working again.
I love the close up picture of van goughs starry night painting
Thanks for another great demo, that's an awesome duck on the counter too.
Great video Ernie. I use these stoves a lot backpacking, but lately I noticed the butane mix cannisters are becoming harder to find. Went to Walmart and they were completely out of stock, not even any green Coleman propane cylinders. No denatured alcohol either. But found 2 gallons at Lowes. Might have to go back to the Trangia. 🤔
I'd get it. I have the Soto Amicus, Trangia gas burner, the Coleman Peak burner and the Trangia alcohol burner. Looks like something fun to use when doing yard work on a cold day for a hot drink or something!
was just thinking of buying a BRS. will take a closer look at fire maple. Thanks
I like the idea of
using a fan
Outstanding Brother Ernie, I like the Fier Maple 🍁 I love the Case also, as always great review, Thank you Brother. Sincerely your freind from Mo Rick and God Bless you 🙏 and your family and God Bless America 🇺🇸 🙏 and God Bless all of the Great Veterans and First Responders 🙏 🇺🇸
Doctor Stove ! That's the new nickname I will give you haha !
Thanks for the vidéo ! And see you tomorrow during your live !
Have a nice day/night Dr Stove !
great test as always
Thank you for the review! Well appreciated 👍
Good video. Fire maple looks like a great stove choice.
Buying it. Thank you Doc.
Ive just bought one😊
Looks like the optimus crux lite stove.I own the optimus crux and absolutely love it. I have owned it for 8 years and have felt no need to get another canister stove.
10 grams of fuel to boil 2 cups water is pretty inefficient for those stoves. It should be down to the 6-8 grams. slowing down the burn rate will help a a lot. My 2 cents.
Looks like my Olicamp FMS-116T Kinetic titanium, I wonder 🤔 who copied who? Bet that they were made in the same factory in China.. Great Review
Thank you
Well, this stove gets sold under many brands. I believe monataur gnad was an early one - eight or so years ago. Got it for the same price the brs 3000 is today. It's good quality, I like it.
The wide flame pattern looks good for actual cooking
Why don't more stoves have such a cool case? Firemaple products never disappoint me.
Came for titanium, stayed for the wind tests
I will suggest to try the Optimus Crux stove, it is 90 grams but the head folds and is very packable, the bag is designed so it can be put underneath the canister (where the bottom is concave). Very good simmer too
I have the 117t which is the remote stove
It is excellent and only 96g
A super lightweight and very stable stove
When you keep the pot supports folded, the stove fits into my heat exchange pot, which makes it almost wind proof
As said the simmer control goes to almost nothing so long term cooking is superb
96g is not super lightweight, it's heavy! The BRS only weighs 26g.
I always use an aluminum foil wind screen for all of my stoves, so wind effects on stoves is not an issue.
Foil is very light and cheap, carry it.
The BRS is cheaper, lighter and smaller. I’ll find something in my pack to block the wind. BRS still wins.
Sold. I’m buying a fire maple right now. Thanks Ernie for doing the research for me and presenting it in this manner.
Comparing the prices and the weight, someone on a fixed income, I would have to go with the BRS. I do like the Fire Maple with the wider pot supports, but as you asked, "Is it worth the money?" I'm not sure a few ounces can justify the cost ... but that's just me. By the way, I would love to see a comparison between the BRS or Fire Maple and the Primus Classic using a pot with a larger base. I know the Primus Classic is heavier, but I like the fixed pot support. It seems as though it would be more stable, although I could be wrong. Thanks again for the review.
Many years ago I went with this stove over the FMS 300T by the same company. FireMaple were the Chinese branded Olicamp stoves. The BRS 3000 gets its name from being a knockoff FMS-300T.
This was a solid stove for years for me before I switched to the Soto Amicus and then to alcohol stoves.
The BRS is not a knockoff of any of the Fire Maple stoves, it's a completely independant design. If it was a knock off it would look identical and weigh the same but it looks nothing like it and it's almost half the weight.
@@alfoutdoors9660He isn’t talking about this stove in the video but the fire maple 300T which was out before the BRS 3000 almost exactly the same just google it and you will see I had one years ago
True story. I was at REI today buying some gas cannisters. The REI clerk asked which stove do I use? After talking MSR, Jetboil, etc. they said they previously used the BRS-3000T. And I was like oh, do you watch TH-cam as a joke and said PaleoHIkerMD just released a video on this, and they responded... "Oh yeah, I watch him as well". I thought to share that, because it may be kind of cool to know that two people at REI were having a conversation about you. :)
I’ve had some good fire maple products over the years. The steel version of this at 70g for just £11 looks a bargain. £15 though for the 49g titanium here in 🇬🇧 so that’s a no brainer.
That case...I like the protection it must give. Clean burn..9600 BTUs is decent.
I feel like if someone is cooking something more than boiling water and wanting to simmer then the fire maple looks to be better overall. Even with good flame control the wider spread seems better to me for some reason than a smaller more central flame for general overall cooking.
This is definitely true for wider pots or pans. Simmer control is important but also flame width too. For select trips I like to make pancakes in a MSR skillet pan. Pancakes turn out way better with a wider flame with good simmer control.
@@WasatchWill Yeah I think wider is pretty much better across the board, more even heat and less scorching on a specific spot (easier on the pot as well). A tri-layer cooking vessel like the Stanley skillet makes a big difference. For cooking I like my Coleman dual fuel stove but its size makes it a different category than these ultralights.
Looks like a great stove. But the weight isn’t a factor (at these weights), but the slightly awkward shape. I’ll stick to my Snowpeak Litemax. I have the BRS-3000T, as well, and it’s seriously impressive weight & especially size-wise though!
But for me the biggest factor for these types of stoves are will it fit in my cook-set. This one looks a little chunky.
This is a pretty old stove, modeled after the Optimus Crux Lite. Personally, I'd take the sub 1oz penalty and get an actual, original, Optimus Crux (not the Lite), if I wanted this type of design. It has the added benefit of having a folding top that allows it to pack and nestle a bit better. But really, there are better designs on the market these days. I lean towards solid and reliable for stoves and find it worth an ounce to carry a good stove like a PRD or a Windmaster. I'll make up for that ounce elsewhere.
Currently on sale at Kathmandu Australia. It’s a rebranded Fire Maple.
Looks like a Primus Crux Lite clone in titanium. I just prefer the original Crux that folds, and the convenience of nesting under a gas can outweighs all the rest for me.
A wide burner always a plus over a focused jet torch.
Its hard to find a bad stove, though there might be one out there. I've yet to find one.
Spent a fair amount of time with the cheaper cousin FMS-102. That thing is just an agony to use in any sort of imperfect conditions - sometimes water wouldn't even reach boiling point after 10+ minutes if the ambient was heavily windy (EVEN WHEN USING A WINDSCREEN), the gas canister was running low, outside temperature was 0C and below, or any combination of these factors. This gives me fear to even think about using another Fire Maple stove
BRS can not be beaten, only matched
It might not compare weight wise, but I will take my Soto Amicus or Soto WindMaster over any of them any day of the week and Twice on Sunday!!!
The real question is how it performs when cooking food not just boiling water
Thank you for tha test my brother
Simmer-control is not the same as regulator. Would probably be willing to add 23g to BRS for a regulator? What happens at altitude? What happens to the flame over time? BRS will adjust to simmer for thirty-seconds, but will crap-out soon thereafter. What about Maple? Will it hold a constant flame as the canister pressure changes? Will the simmer hold constant long enough to cook a few pancakes?
The more spread-out flame and wind-resistance are bonuses.
What about packability? With the burner being wider, does it fit well in a small 550-750ml pot?
I've had this Chinese cooker for 3 or 4 years now, branded as Czech brand "Pinguin". They usually sell chinese crap, but this one isn't bad. I've burned around 9 or 10 gas canisters with this stove, and never had any issues. Quality is okay, very good flame control and wide flame (I don't like stoves with narrow flame). Only the stability is very poor. I have to be very carefull when using some wider pots, or if I want to stir it up. Ideal for 750ml cups.
The Pinguin Trek camping stove I assume you are referring to is not an ultralight stove as it's made of heavy stainless steel and Aluminium, instead of Titanium...As a result is weighs 95g, almost double the weight of the Fire Maple and it's almost 4 times heavier than the BRS! The reason you are having stability issues is all that weight makes it top heavy when mounted on a canister...The lighter the stove, the lower the centre of gravity is compared to the gas canister and the more stable it is.
Will you be comparing the FMS-116T to the original Optimus Crux? And the competitors MSR Pocket Rocket/ Kovea Supalite? (MSR us the American distributor for Kovea, so Pocket Rocket and Supalite are the same stove.)
And when will you acquire the original FMS-300T?
While both these stoves are light, at 10 gr of fuel per 2 cups (473 ml) boil, you will need to either purchase more frequently or carry more fuel. My similar test with 3 stoves (BSR, MSR pocket rocket 2jet boil stash) X 2 pots (750 ml soaks and stash). The Stash used just 5 grams of fuel to boil 500 ml of water. When it’s cold, an efficient stove system is more important to me than initial weight, because I want hot drinks, soup, hot meals, and hot water for both the night and the trail.
Never having heard of it before; what is a “stash” pot?
I would say this stove is in direct competition with the Optimus Crux Lite. One problem I've been having with my Optimus Crux Lite is the pot supports seem to be rusting. Yes, rusting. It's supposed to be constructed of stainless but it's my only canister stove that has exhibited any sign of rust. The Fire Maple FMS-116T is similar in size and price, and has a similar flame pattern to the Crux Lite. In my opinion the FMS-116T is superior to the Optimus Crix in that it won't rust, weighs much less, I'd say is just as well built and comes with a usable case. I have both and that's my opinion. As to the lack of robustness of the pot supports, some have claimed that the pot supports of their BRS 3000T have snapped or melted when they subjected to heat for an extended amount of time, but most never experience this. One thing about titanium is that it's so lite that it often makes it seem flimsy when compared to other metals and I have no reason to believe that the pot supports on the Fire Maple FMS-116T are inadequate.
The BRS is specifically designed for use by ultralight backpackers, not designed to take the heavy pots and loads typically used by car campers...Most ultralight backpackers use it with smallish 550ml-750ml Titanium pots, and they only boil small amounts of water with it at any one time, say 250-300ml to make a cup of tea or coffee or rehydrate a pack of instant noodles say, and it excels at this. When Titanium glows red hot it becomes soft and pliable and likely to bend when subjected to a load it was not designed for and when the BRS is turned up to full the Titanium pot supports can indeed glow red hot and become soft. It can also use a lot more gas that way too. So you should not stick a pot on it that weighs over 1kg (at least without keeping hold of the handle/handles) and you should always turn the gas down to a moderate level, where it is also quieter, to save gas and to keep the pot holder arms at a lower temperature.
@@alfoutdoors9660 Thanks for the info. Given the small size of the BRS 3000T I'm not likely to put a pot weighing over 1kg onto it anyway. That's plenty enough to meet most needs of a single person. I would not select the BRS to cook for a group.
I use Optimus Crux (not Lite) and the pot supports have signs of rust too. It wobbles a little bit too, but I love it. Very good simmer control and very packable when the head folds. Fits perfectly under 100gr canister and all that in 550ml Toaks titanium pot
@@namelessone5200 Yep! I've been using mine every day for the past few months and mine works well and there appears to be signs of rust, but I'm not sure it's actually rust since there's no pitting, just a rust colored residue. So far it remains solid though.
I still prefer the Olicamp Ion Micro ti srove which is what the BRS is a copy of. It's 1.5 ounces but way stronger and burlier than the BRS. The arms on my BRS started getting soft after a couples of uses and I just didn't trust it for extended trips. I've had no such issues with the Micro ti. That said, I gave the BRS to a buddy and he's still using it when we hike together.
Brs is different design from Olicamp ion Micro. Perhaps you didn't have Brs3000t
@@bcamping1 Ah no...
I bought both new and they're almost identical.
do you think this stove would work good to cook on not just boil water looking for something compact to cook eggs steak etc. thanks
Unfortunately, unavailable at this time and not sure when or if it will be available again. I would buy it for the case alone. I have the Soto that has an igniter which is a major pulse. Why can’t one of these stoves have it all; light weight, good burn, larger cook surface, good in wind and an igniter? Now that would be a great stove!
Great video but product is sold out already
copy paste the stoves description from the dead link back into the sites search engine... not the youtubers fault... i swear amazon states the product unavailable so they dont have to pay the youtuber his tiny percent of a penny/cent for finding customers for them
Will it cook? It looks like you might be able to actually cook on it. The ability to do more than just boil water at breakneck speed offers greater ease and versatility for camp meals. This is why I find myself gravitating back to stoves with larger burners and better flame control. I like to actually cook. This stove excites me, but price may be a deal breaker.
I always love a new stove.
Is it quieter?
So, is it a worth upgrade?
Why flame firemaple is orange not blue.?
I think at that price point it would be better to compare it to the Soto amicus
Ernie, you do a great job providing info to us out here about all things stoves. But, I wish after these videos the product would be available. This drives me crazy! My conspiracy self thinks now they will mark it up even more.
What did you pay for this product?
That was some very dramatic music....
Stoves are serious bizness... 😂
Honestly wind has never bothered me with the BRS. I have never found it to be overly difficult, or inconvenient to just build a little rock hut for my BRS on windy days. The alpine conditions I primarily hike in though probably helps that, plenty of rocks at higher elevations usually.
I just put my backpack close to it or my food bag.
their is a resemblance to my Optimus Cruz
What is most #efficient_stove ?
You related to Hiram? Kidding! You have better music.
It is also not as compact as the brs.. I'll stick with that and provide wind protection while boiling my water.
Me: Reads title. "Is it any lighter?"
1.7oz vs
That Fire Maple stove is no longer available from Amazon and the BRS sounds like an F-35 taking off with full after burner. I’ll stick with my Windburner, wind resistant, powerful, quiet, dependable will simmer, can’t beat it.
The 116t is a shitload better than the brs.
Better build quality, more efficient burner head, better flame pattern, more wind reaistant and not that much heavier.
Maple fire is Too expensive .
Cool stove but its unavailable. This is as bad as clickbait...
copy paste the stoves description from the dead link back into the sites search engine... not the youtubers fault... i swear amazon states the product unavailable so they dont have to pay the youtuber his tiny percent of a penny/cent for finding customers for them
@@rooksfoot1184 thanks for how to find something on amazon for dummies. Man sure wish I would have thought to do that before posting. It's my first time on TH-cam and only my second time on amazon and third time on the internet. If it wasn't for you I would be so lost...
@@MrEdgy81 luckily u were blessed :) (sarcasm) in case u didnt get it
Nah. A stove in hand...
Nice review, but way too BuLkY, compared to the BRS.
Why not buy the copycat to the BRS, made by Lixada?!
Gas one sells the GS-7900 on Amazon. It's a BRS clone that's identical, normally found for a little cheaper than the BRS and comes with a nice plastic container.
According to my friend in China, it is actually made by the same manufacturer as the BRS 3000.