Difference Between Pate De Luxe and Beaute De Cuir | FAQ | Kirby Allison
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- In this video, Kirby Allison discusses a frequently asked question on the topic of the Difference Between Pate De Luxe and Beaute De Cuir. We love to help the well-dress acquire and care for their wardrobes and want to provide our customers with the information they need about our amazing products.
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Appreciate the explanation. Would be even better if you could do a head-to-head comparison, shining using the equivalent products from these two lines on the same pair of shoes.
from my own experience a) the Saphir Medaille d’Or is way easier to apply than the SBC b) the shine is I'll say a bit shinier than the SBC. And you can seriously smell the difference.
It's the shine that matters between the two different levels. It's how easy it is to get that shine or how long it lasts etc etc.
Both have the same shine, one will take longer to get that shine.
Robert Powers actually did a video on this, where he used: D'or, SBC & KIWI.
th-cam.com/video/E5IrU5b7C2o/w-d-xo.html
@@fluxnfiction5559 The SBC still smells nice, though, especially the cremes! Been using the creme and wax polish from the BC line on my Allen Edmonds and I LOVE the results! I'm sure the Medaille d'Or is superior, but for me, the BC is more than good enough, and it's much more moderately priced.
been waiting for someone to articulate this for some time! Thanks Kirby
Thank you for making this. You truly went above to educate a bit. 🙏👍
Thank you. I just started to flip Mens shoes and I’m using Saphir
Hi Kirby, would you ever consider doing a walk-through/review of colognes you use, as well as a few tips as far as scent type, skin type, and time of wear?
Very interesting and informative. I use your polish on leather projects besides shoes. When you make a $20,000 saddle you want to make sure that it is well conditioned.
Appreciated all the tips and helps you have done for us.
Thanks for educating us.
Great video! Can you make one on your brushes and options. I’d love to get a better sense of their build quality as opposed to others as well as a true size comparison, particularly with your largest brush offerings.
You should do a tour of the warehouse Kirby!
Great video as always.
Hello to all at the Hanger Project. I have a question regarding the mirror gloss wax. It’s already cracked to small pieces is it possible to use a hot hair blower to melt it so that it would reunite again as a whole wax? Thanks
I have a question: would you be able to do a video on which you show how to reduce/ get rid of wrinkled leather. Thanks
Wow... about time. Thanks.
Kirby, I have a question regarding the color cream I should buy. I bought a pair of Calzoleria Toscana Taormina Ocean color, and the issue is that one of the pair lighter in color and I need a product to darken the shade to the correct color. Thank you and I hope to hear from you.
Another great video... Some people are saying there is no difference. There definitely is; the shoe cream in particular has much more pigment
I'm thinking of buying a pair of Allen Edmonds shoes, and I'm a novice at cleaning my leather shoes. What do i need to keep them clean and protected? AE has a 4 step cleaning process but that seems a bit much. Thank you and love you videos.
Dear Kirby,
How to take care of leather/suede shoes with goretex? Could you make a guide or recommend Saphir products suitable for gore tex leather?
Hi Kirby, I have seen that there are 2 renovateur : one si medaille d’or, the other is Beauté du Cuir. Is there any difference between those 2?
So i suppose i could use the lesser quality one for my sneakers? Since i don't want that much shine
Great, informative video!
Thanks a lot for explaining, I was wondering about it as well. I have an ages-old Beaute de Cuir that still does a good job. But the Medaiile d’Or is a better product indeed.
Hi Kirby! Where can I locate a colour specifier for Saphir pigment wax. I have a several pairs of Charles Jourdan vintage shoes that I would like to restore/ return to original colour. Thank you!
please make a video tutorial on how to use saphir beaute de cuir
what if a purse being polished with the Creme Surfine Saphir beautè du Cuir Red and the purse still had some residue and transferred a little of that to a Wool coat? How can I remove that little light stain?
So im looking for a shoe polish for my work boots other than kiwi. Wanna try something new. Wut yall reccomend. The basic supir pate delux or medaille??
Taught me something!
Kirby, I have a question. I have been using Saphir products for quite some time. I have found that whenever my shoes get caught in the rain the finish goes all white and spotted. It is often quite nasty. Takes a long time and much effort to correct. What causes this and how can it be prevented? Thank you.
It sounds like you may have a fairly acidic rain. Do you live in a pretty polluted city?
Did you find a solution?
Does it happen only with Saphir polish or other brands too?
@@SodiumSyndicate it’s been a long time since posting that… what I have found since is I believe it is the conditioner. Sorry forget what it’s called. I switched to using RM Williams leather conditioner and Saphir polish and wax and haven’t had the problem since.
@@kurjan1 I didn't understand. Did you not apply 1-2 layers of Saphir wax (not cream) polish on the whole upper of the shoe when exposing it to rain? - generally the wax layer(s) are supposed to make the water bead off and any surface water stains can be wiped off with water+alcohol or 1 session of waxing and buffing.
Really appreciated
That "high on polish" move came straight from Dornstar. He's definitely learning from the best
Kirby, thanks for the video. I own a selection of these polishes, and in particular have really enjoyed the Pate De Luxe Mirror Shine polish. However, due to extensive use i'm now left with several broken up pieces of wax polish in the tin. How would you recommend re-unifying these? I'm not sure of the safest way to melt the wax back into one solid form? Thanks for any advice you can give! - Ewan
Use a hair dryer, but be gentle!
A pan of warm water should do it
How about the Admiral shine vs the mirror gloss high shine wax?
same question. i used and can attest the admiral shine is way better than kiwi, but im not sure how it compares to the premium saphir line.
hello Kirby how do i take of my dehner patrol boots
Hi Kirby - big fan of your TH-cam channel and really enjoy the information.
I often wear brown wingtip shoes in a business casual atmosphere with either dress pants or dark denim. I have read that it can be difficult to pair high shined shoes with jeans so I am hesitate to over-shine the shoes. Is there a method or product that will allow me to clean and care for shoes like brown wingtips without creating a high gloss? Thank you.
Hi, thought I’d chime in. Yes. As he states in the video, both Saphir cream polishes contain waxes. The saphir Renavateur also contains wax. By applying one or both, and using a horsehair brush (as well as a polishing cloth if you apply cream polish), you’ll get a great “soft” shine. The shoes will look clean and cared for without the high shine. I own a lot of wingtips and adhere to a dress code like you, and this is my go-to method. Cheers.
hey Kirby, I'm heading Austin next week do you have any recommendation on any shops/haberdasheries I should visit ?places like that you feature on your channel.
How bout the difference between mirror gloss vs amiral gloss
After applying some cream polish to my shoes, I wanted to get some shine using Pate de Luxe. On all my shoes, the Pate de Luxe is pulling off all the cream polish. The shoes look like crap after using the Pate de Luxe. Is anyone else having this issue?
Is that a pair of Felix Gray Nash glasses?
Thanks for that Kirby always thought the beauty de cuir and pat dear luxe was the same product but with different packaging never known it was 2 different products
Hi Kirby, i'm in a little bit of dilemma..
I have to order 2 creams and I used the Saphire Nuancier to find out what colors I do actually need. It results that I need a n.10 Cognac, which is available in the MDO line and the n.86 Campari which is only available in the BTC line.
Do you think that I could get away with changing the Campari for the n.11 Hermes Red ( which I initially though my darker shades were ) which is really close but just not spot on?
Thank you very much.
He has explained in other videos that even with the wide range offered, a perfect match is sometimes not achievable, but you have to remember that the pigments are not going to completely change the finish of the shoe, and that they are reversible, with the saphir reno’mat for example. He also tends to give examples of how playing with different shades can produce interesting outcomes, so I would say go for it, I don’t think you’ll regret it, since the color, as you say, is quite very similar. Hope this might help.
@@prussiaball8229 hi and thanks for answering. Indeed I went with the n.11 and it's just amazing. Right the effect I wanted.
I have some decent but inexpensive shoes that I would like to renew. To my eye they are calf skin, possibly with a light coating on top because they feel a bit plastic but are definitely leather. There are some scuffs on the toe where I'd like to restore the color. Would a shoe like this benefit from Pate De Luxe? Or would Beaute De Cuir work fine for this?
Everything really benefits from the Pate de Luxe
What is the best method to spit shine your shoes?
Check out the mirror shine video
Kirby. I am trying to find the right dress shoes and the right shine for protection. I am a flight attendant and my shoes get dirty, scratched and in contact with all kinds of liquids. I wear them for about 6 plus hours and I just use water and towel to keep them clean. I am lost in space... I have no idea what shoes to get that are strong and look great!
your needs are not that special. everyone's shoes get dirty, scuffed, and scratched eventually. Just buy great shoes, and do the saphir renovatuer + cream + wax polish like everyone else.
Hi Kirby. Just a quick comment on French pronunciation: "Beauté de cuir" should be pronounced "Bo" (such as in "herringbone") "tay" (such as in "collar stay"). And then "queer".
sounds like booty
I sure hope people don't constantly bust French people's balls over how to correctly pronounce words in English. Annoying people.
@@thatguythatdoesstuff7448 Well, no, pronounciations should be correct, in any language.
Good on you Simon I say.
Have a serious word with yourself boy.😂
We are not French, We pronounce things different
Can you use them together. For example beaute du cuir cream and Médaille d'Or wax together.
Your shoes won't catch fire or anything
@@phototristan Too late! i.ytimg.com/vi/kDrLGStbXx4/maxresdefault.jpg
The medallie d’or cream doesn’t have the color I want in Beaute de cuir line.
When will Saphir come out with a Oxblood colour range , very popular at the moment , Allen Edmonds Oxblood shoes are to die for but dont have their own polish ????
Hm maybe use their mahogany cream. It seems to have a color that’s close enough
Neutral
Is this the same for the Renoveteur? It also comes packaged both ways. Thanks
Can I get an answer please to my question?
@@jazzmusic808 yes, it does. But the difference is not just packaging
www.avel.com/saphir-beaute-du-cuir-32/produit/85-renovateur-saphir-beaute-du-cuir-32.html
@@i.o.3563 I now have both and the feel, smell, texture and the results are identical. Your link does not explain any difference. An email I received from Saphir confirms both are the same product.
@@jazzmusic808 sorry, I didn't get the question right. I doubt it's the same product in different packaging. But if you have a confirmation email from Saphir, that's must be so. Strange nonetheless.
@@i.o.3563 50mn and 75ml sizes seems to be the only difference?
Great info. Shea butter is pronounced shay though
Shoe polish, who knew there was such a difference between them and as he stated kiwi is for those that don't really care for quality products
i use nuri leflef so hight quality
Claro...usted dice eso porque la creme de cuir es el triple de cara que el Paté! Aquí en Argentina son productos carísimos.
How does boot black compare to MDO?
But you can't buy boot black in Europe not seen it where do you get it
John C,
Isn’t there an ebay store in Germany that sells boot black?
Lincoln wax is cheaper and give same or better shine as saphir? What is all the hype about saphir wax He said there is not silicones on saphir wax but on class we tested and it does have silicones so $20 for the wax i a rip off.
You have a laboratory that you tested for silicone ?
Which is best for saffiano leather?
If you're talking about accessories like wallets and so on, my advice is going for Lotion or Renovateur . That type of leather doesn't need a lot of care. Using wax is tricky as leather have some texture in which a cream tends to deposit. It's always best to use it sparingly and buff of with a bush rather than a cloth, again, due to the textured leather.
I.O. Thanks for the input. I have saffiano loafers with some light scuffing on the toe area - guess I should have clarified that.
@@007cheburashka in that case a cloloured cream will work just fine. Recommend to apply and buff off with the brush, not allowing to dry for a log period(5 min - sufficient).
I.O. Sounds good will give that a try. 👍
What about the rejuvenator?
An email from Saphir confirms both products are the same. I have both and I see and feel no difference. Same exact smell as well. Venetian shoe cream I have found is as good and less than half the price. And the Venetian leather balm is even better.
jazzmusic808,
Thanks for the info.
I was able to buy a 250ml jar of the rejuvenator at amazon a few years ago for Usd 48. It was later that I found out that there are 2 versions of the rejuvenator.
Did Avel state that the MDO & BDC rejuvenator have exactly the same kind and proportion of ingredients?
Thanks for the tip on the venetian leather balm. I might try it out when my rejuvenator runs out.
@@jazzmusic808 i doubt that saphir themselves would confirm that both products are the same and that they are charging more for one vs another. im assuming we are talking about the renovatuer vs the lower-priced "delicate cream"
what is mountain wax
That's what I'd like to know. I've never heard of mountain wax and neither has Google. Also, even good Carnauba wax does not explain the price difference.
If the value line only contains beeswax, you are better off using shoe cream then something like Sno Seal, which is pretty much just beeswax. You could warm the beeswax and mix in some shoe cream for the pigment, based on what is being claimed here.
Found it, Montan Wax, not Mountain, as he was pronouncing it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montan_wax
Isn't it "shay" butter not she-uh butter?
So why make an inferior product?
Is that your Warehouse? I thought you stacked everything up in your office ;)
Both are equally excellent product's & The average Joe wouldn't be able to tell the difference between one or the other.....🎉😂 & I'm not taking about the wax polish. I'm talking about the cream's.😮
Bottom line. Buy Medaille d’or.
Great products indeed.
The Only difference in these are the PRICE! I have them Both and really there's no difference! Not only that I like Lincoln better then them Both!
Very useful, thanks I always wondered what the real different were beside the price.
i new it's difficult to pronounce French, but here is the way to pronounce the various names in American English :
- Medaille d'Or : Med aye (as in I) door
Beauté de Cuir : Botay de queer
Pate de Luxe : Pat de (pronounced like the u un 'endure') looks.
miday' diyor
First!
Great video and great series with precious advice but can I just say? The way you pronounce 'Medaille d'Or' is wrong, it is not 'Medal Dior' but 'Medaille d'Or /medai door/', there is no link with Dior of any kind and you're butchering the French: it means 'medal of gold'. Other than that.. carry on, good sir!
THANK YOU! Sounds like McDaddy Ore in the video.
I really don’t get why so many Americans ignore the apostrophe when pronouncing words in other languages. The whole “dior” just sounds so wrong to my ears!
Beaute de cuir gets butchered. Boo-tay de queer is closer. As a French speaker, the pronunciation by all the shoe bloggers hurts my ears! Otherwise, love the content and I got a new hobby during the COVID hiatus from normal life
So the conclusion is , watch your pocket
They’re just covering the bases of the market. Same stuff
Wtf is mountain wax?
Wow very impressive review, you know your stuff! However, Omg when you say: beauté du cuir lol I am french, please have someone french teach you how to prononce it, I had to hear it like 10 times to know what you were saying, it doesn’t even sound close lol it’s ok to have an accent, but people still have to know what you are saying.
It is September, and I have just bought - by post - two 50 ml Saphir Medaille d'or's, - but there is no way I can get the tins opened! I work with thick leathers, horses, dogs - I have a strong pinch, but they will not open. I am of well average intelligence, no problems so far opening any other box or container in my 65 years of life, but the lid won't budge, no matter what. I have written the shop, I have spoken to Saphir Paris - not much luxury help to match the advertisement.
And no, I simply will not puncture the lid, or take a screw driver to it and ruin the container - it costs enough a tin.
My conclusion? I will never buy your products again, as IF there is some fluke, there is not much luxury in the way of interest from Saphir. KIWI might not be as posh, but it opens.
I am sure this is just some odd occurrence, but most of luxury lies in how you are met when there is a problem. Imagine you bought a pair of high end shoes - or bag - and the container, the box would not open?
And nobody was really interested.
I appreciate the product comparison, but dear lord, the poor people at Saphir would be cringing at the pronunciation of the product names.
For non-french speakers, the "beauty cure", actually 'beauté du cuir', can be pronounced like "bow-tay do queer".
The "medalle de yore" is more like 'meh-die door'. You won't actually win a gold medal for pronouncing it like that, but you will have a better chance of coming away with the right product if you're in France. If you're in Quebec though, all bets are off. I never could get the hang of their pronunciation ;)
These products have such odd sounding names. I wouldn’t want to ask for them in a shop.
These are "normal words" in French that have a meaning and could be translated into English. They only sound very special because of the English pronunciation (strong accent).
No offense! It's just the way it is. English and French are both foreign languages to me and I know how much learning it needs to get it right. 😅
Just continue to be scared all the time .
Why do you have to shake the products. Some people have vision problems and this cause problems. And yes that is me.
He sniffed a little too long?
Medaldior... Medaille d'or is not so hard to pronounce.
Very useful videos but for god's sake, please learn to pronounce those French names correctly. It's just painful to listen to.
Thanks for the video, but you should work on the pronunciation.
I think the pronounciacion is wrong.