I love this drill idea. As I was watching I couldn't help but be reminded of something I heard Padraig Harrington say he drills. He tries to hit his driver as hard as he can when speed training. He said he tries to swing as hard as possible but trying to stop right after impact. Like really working on the braking portion to try and line everything up at impact. He also alters his grip. He does a double overlap grip. I've also heard Jon Rahm talk about trying to hit it as hard as possible as a kid from the delivery position. Similar thoughts on the same drill. Love it!!!
I've really enjoyed the series thus far. This video was a bit of a miss for me though. Maybe it's just because the ones with Mark Blackburn were so good that almost anything else might fall short 🤷♂️ would love to see what work outs you'll do - I know for me, doing heavy deadlifts for sets of 3-5 and then lighter sets of 10-12 where I move the weight as fast as I can really helped me gain speed.
Skytrak+ numbers can be very wonky. It doesn’t measure clubhead speed, it’s an educated guess. So it most likely just guessed his clubhead speed was slower than it actually was.
Anybody else struggle to hit anything but a big push fade when doing this drill? I understand it's more about teaching your body to complete a motion within a condensed time, but do we need to figure out how to orient the club face too? My understanding is that the momentum of a full swing will help close the club face (I tend to work on making sure the club gets fully released without it turning over too much, as I don't struggle with a push fade in my actual swing, my biggest miss is very much the opposite of that), so my guess would be we shouldn't worry as much about direction and more on just body motion, but curious to know other people's thoughts.
Same. Especially if I move my shoulder center backwards 'loading the trail leg' and need to re-center, strike location is often compromised. Also if I pull the shaft hard from the top to whip it, I open the face too much, so there's that push fade (my swing is in to out). Sure enough, club speed goes up by 10 mph easily compared to my favored stack & tilt controlled swing, so I guess one has to get used to doing the sequence right with all of this speed training before strike quality can return. At least that's what it feels to me. But to be honest I rather stick with my current fairway finders than to pitch the second shot within wedge distance of a green from out of the rough or the woods. no matter if strokes gained stats say differently. Which they do I believe. It's just less enjoyable losing accuracy. And yes, I can get it right in my own modest world of a 55y old, hitting up, whipping the club, knuckles down: ball speed can hit 155 where it's normally 135 (with a cheap range ball) and straight enough to find the fairway or the net at the end of the range. But its rare to piece it all together. I love the feeling of a perfectly compressed iron better than a long drive, so I just choose not to deliberately work on speed anymore. Face control and low point, that's what I love to train on.
I'm 60 yrs old. I have always lifted weights since teens. Lately I've been frustrated at loss of distance. I'm stronger than your average 60 yr old. Do you think I could still get to 180mph ball speed? I'm maxed out right now with drives that carry around 260 yds.
@@golfsciencelab Y'all said something in the video that struck a cord with me. Something to the effect of guys who can hit driver fairly long, but can't hit their irons very well. That's always been me. Even in my younger days when I could drive the ball 290 plus my eight iron was around 150 yards and I've never been able to get it farther than that. Lately it carries 140 and that drives me crazy.
@@golfsciencelab I've mainly done my own training on the range. My Dad taught me until he passed. I've worked on widening my backswing, teeing up slightly, more inside out swing. Also working on really extending post ball impact.
@@rdelius8512 it's quite funny how many coaches and golfers in general hated on S&T yet we seem to see more and more of it being taught or parts of it(Foley etc) ...yet we never hear any praise or thanks or recognition being given to Mike and Andy... I started here in the UK when there were only a couple of registered instructor's about 15 years ago....and played the best golf ever....I'm only sorry that due to a lower back injury I can no longer get into that extended follow through position...I've now lost distance and strike Everybody tilts😃
@@robinc3307 look at Scheffler-he big time tilts. The notion of straightening the trail leg on the backswing is nearly universal-keeping the trail leg bent to resist turning is nearly nonexistent-Morikawa still does that, but he’s Gumby. The idea of depth-Also S&T. Remember the teaching if taking the club straight back? Also gone, refuted by Plummer and Bennett. If you have an athletic 8 year old, a traditional swing may be fine-I think the ceiling is higher with the so called traditional swing. For those of us who are hobbyists, a different swing method probably works better. There are other besides S&T that also work for the weekend golfer. There is a limitation to learning from the pros that almost nobody mentions-nearly all pros start as children, and there is a neuroplasticity that isn’t present later in life. You can’t learn a new language and be completely accent free as an adult; great musicians invariably start as children. The golf pros are simply not replicatable for somebody taking up the game as an adult. Sorry for the lengthy answer, just some thoughts I’ve had recently, particularly as a retort to sceptics who ask “how many majors has an S&T player won?”
@@rdelius8512 totally agree...I'm now 58 and can't swing like that anymore.... But I suppose the short answer is every great swing has elements of S&T in it...I personally just think the S&T guys get hammered for no reason...when all they did was come up with a great system for getting truly repeatable golf shots... I also believe most if not all golf teaching is good for someone..the art it having lessons that relate and resonate to you... I have now has lessons with Marcus Bell of GRF (zen golf) Which is a far more natural swing no fixed positions....because at this moment it suits my limitations
I lift a lot, I’m 6’3 270 lbs and lifted weights long time…….seem stuck with the 156-161 ball speed so my swing must be trash, and I’m 54 so there’s that 😂
I’ve taken lessons from golftec and was told the same thing but I never understood it-- it really seems unnatural-- and I never was able to understand the movement????
Here is my conclusion. Unless you are a gifted touring pro who has played golf since you were walking . None of this is beneficial to the rest of your golf game . Every thing that works for speed ruins your feel for the short game . I just don't see why all of the sudden speed is every thing for the average golfer . Rory is the perfect example. Best driver on tour but lost his short game feel . One ruins the other .
I’m not sure there is one human on the world with 180 ball speed that doesn’t work out. That’s like saying I want to bench 225 but I don’t want to workout, you want technique tips. It’s not happening bro. Unless you already 6’3” and strong. If you maxed out all your ground forces and techniques and everything I don’t think you’re getting to 180.
Definitely the weakest episode so far. Lots of talking and very limited substance. The Golftec guy didn't really contribute and Mark Crossfield contributed less than he normally does. What I would love to see is an executive summary of the Blackburn episodes. Condense his key explanations and drills into an 8 minute good nugget video to watch before every single speed practice session. Please!
Mark and Nick have got to be the biggest douches in golf instruction. Mark talks like he's won 10 majors and Nick like he's the smartest guy in the golf.
I've been a huge fan of Mark Crossfield's channel since before the #262 days, so great to see his journey & expertise on this channel!
Was fun to hang out with him for the day! Mark's one of the best in the business.
@@golfsciencelab Good luck finding 180 mph, you've got this!
This is great content! Can’t wait for this channel to gain traction and grow.
Appreciate it! We’re going to keep going.
I love this drill idea. As I was watching I couldn't help but be reminded of something I heard Padraig Harrington say he drills. He tries to hit his driver as hard as he can when speed training. He said he tries to swing as hard as possible but trying to stop right after impact. Like really working on the braking portion to try and line everything up at impact. He also alters his grip. He does a double overlap grip. I've also heard Jon Rahm talk about trying to hit it as hard as possible as a kid from the delivery position. Similar thoughts on the same drill. Love it!!!
I hadn’t heard that. Makes total sense and definitely aligns with what Nick shared!
“Sagittal plane movement is often misunderstood “ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How does this channel only have 28k subscribers?
I've really enjoyed the series thus far. This video was a bit of a miss for me though. Maybe it's just because the ones with Mark Blackburn were so good that almost anything else might fall short 🤷♂️ would love to see what work outs you'll do - I know for me, doing heavy deadlifts for sets of 3-5 and then lighter sets of 10-12 where I move the weight as fast as I can really helped me gain speed.
Fair enough! We're going to get insights from as many people as possible.
Still need to get the work outs going. Have an episode in the works!
Interesting to see Mark’s last punch drive had a smash of 1.54
Skytrak+ numbers can be very wonky. It doesn’t measure clubhead speed, it’s an educated guess. So it most likely just guessed his clubhead speed was slower than it actually was.
Agreed, 1.54 smash is borderline illegal
Anybody else struggle to hit anything but a big push fade when doing this drill? I understand it's more about teaching your body to complete a motion within a condensed time, but do we need to figure out how to orient the club face too? My understanding is that the momentum of a full swing will help close the club face (I tend to work on making sure the club gets fully released without it turning over too much, as I don't struggle with a push fade in my actual swing, my biggest miss is very much the opposite of that), so my guess would be we shouldn't worry as much about direction and more on just body motion, but curious to know other people's thoughts.
Same. Especially if I move my shoulder center backwards 'loading the trail leg' and need to re-center, strike location is often compromised. Also if I pull the shaft hard from the top to whip it, I open the face too much, so there's that push fade (my swing is in to out). Sure enough, club speed goes up by 10 mph easily compared to my favored stack & tilt controlled swing, so I guess one has to get used to doing the sequence right with all of this speed training before strike quality can return. At least that's what it feels to me. But to be honest I rather stick with my current fairway finders than to pitch the second shot within wedge distance of a green from out of the rough or the woods. no matter if strokes gained stats say differently. Which they do I believe. It's just less enjoyable losing accuracy. And yes, I can get it right in my own modest world of a 55y old, hitting up, whipping the club, knuckles down: ball speed can hit 155 where it's normally 135 (with a cheap range ball) and straight enough to find the fairway or the net at the end of the range. But its rare to piece it all together. I love the feeling of a perfectly compressed iron better than a long drive, so I just choose not to deliberately work on speed anymore. Face control and low point, that's what I love to train on.
I reckon that's probably a sign of heaps of arm movement and not using the ground/legs as much as you need. Have you video'd yourself doing the drill?
I'm 60 yrs old. I have always lifted weights since teens. Lately I've been frustrated at loss of distance. I'm stronger than your average 60 yr old.
Do you think I could still get to 180mph ball speed? I'm maxed out right now with drives that carry around 260 yds.
what have you tried so far?
@@golfsciencelab Y'all said something in the video that struck a cord with me. Something to the effect of guys who can hit driver fairly long, but can't hit their irons very well. That's always been me. Even in my younger days when I could drive the ball 290 plus my eight iron was around 150 yards and I've never been able to get it farther than that. Lately it carries 140 and that drives me crazy.
@@golfsciencelab I refuse to believe that age is the one thing that holds me back. I've got to believe that it's mechanics in my golf swing
@@golfsciencelab I've mainly done my own training on the range. My Dad taught me until he passed. I've worked on widening my backswing, teeing up slightly, more inside out swing. Also working on really extending post ball impact.
I understand the left leg extension ( vertical force) but not the extension of the whole body
It helps break your hands and fling out the cub. The most efficient way to put energy back into the club
Are these stack and tilt principles? Golftec is known for SnT so just wondering if this is applicable to a more traditional swing and weight transfer
I thought the same... definitely looks like Mike Bennett... Andy plumber...extended follow through...belt buckle up and forward hips tucked under
@@robinc3307As an S&T guy, I agree. A lot of the principles of S&T have been widely adopted-except the weight transfer part:)
@@rdelius8512 it's quite funny how many coaches and golfers in general hated on S&T yet we seem to see more and more of it being taught or parts of it(Foley etc) ...yet we never hear any praise or thanks or recognition being given to Mike and Andy...
I started here in the UK when there were only a couple of registered instructor's about 15 years ago....and played the best golf ever....I'm only sorry that due to a lower back injury I can no longer get into that extended follow through position...I've now lost distance and strike
Everybody tilts😃
@@robinc3307 look at Scheffler-he big time tilts. The notion of straightening the trail leg on the backswing is nearly universal-keeping the trail leg bent to resist turning is nearly nonexistent-Morikawa still does that, but he’s Gumby. The idea of depth-Also S&T. Remember the teaching if taking the club straight back? Also gone, refuted by Plummer and Bennett. If you have an athletic 8 year old, a traditional swing may be fine-I think the ceiling is higher with the so called traditional swing. For those of us who are hobbyists, a different swing method probably works better. There are other besides S&T that also work for the weekend golfer. There is a limitation to learning from the pros that almost nobody mentions-nearly all pros start as children, and there is a neuroplasticity that isn’t present later in life. You can’t learn a new language and be completely accent free as an adult; great musicians invariably start as children. The golf pros are simply not replicatable for somebody taking up the game as an adult. Sorry for the lengthy answer, just some thoughts I’ve had recently, particularly as a retort to sceptics who ask “how many majors has an S&T player won?”
@@rdelius8512 totally agree...I'm now 58 and can't swing like that anymore....
But I suppose the short answer is every great swing has elements of S&T in it...I personally just think the S&T guys get hammered for no reason...when all they did was come up with a great system for getting truly repeatable golf shots...
I also believe most if not all golf teaching is good for someone..the art it having lessons that relate and resonate to you...
I have now has lessons with Marcus Bell of GRF (zen golf)
Which is a far more natural swing no fixed positions....because at this moment it suits my limitations
One of the best fixes for distance, is shorter courses.
I lift a lot, I’m 6’3 270 lbs and lifted weights long time…….seem stuck with the 156-161 ball speed so my swing must be trash, and I’m 54 so there’s that 😂
Don't swing down to the ball, but swing OUT to the target. More club at speed that way with no tendency to be hitting the ball.
you can 100% get 180 ball speed with a bit of strength training if you are over 170+ without it 🎉🎉
Agreed
How about hitting 180 and being in play :)
That’s the goal.
I’ve taken lessons from golftec and was told the same thing but I never understood it-- it really seems unnatural-- and I never was able to understand the movement????
I think it depends on flexibility
Wide stances are less efficient than a normal a stance for long distance driving
Would probably disagree with you on that.
The guy in the pink shirt is far too confusing with all his terminology about the body. Mark is much easier to understand. Gonna try that drill.
Here is my conclusion. Unless you are a gifted touring pro who has played golf since you were walking . None of this is beneficial to the rest of your golf game . Every thing that works for speed ruins your feel for the short game . I just don't see why all of the sudden speed is every thing for the average golfer . Rory is the perfect example. Best driver on tour but lost his short game feel . One ruins the other .
Anyone got a medical degree that can explain the terminology for me hahaha, understand the concept so I guess thats the main thing
I’m not sure there is one human on the world with 180 ball speed that doesn’t work out. That’s like saying I want to bench 225 but I don’t want to workout, you want technique tips. It’s not happening bro. Unless you already 6’3” and strong. If you maxed out all your ground forces and techniques and everything I don’t think you’re getting to 180.
Don’t forget about those naturally wiry flash speed guys.
I think you would be surprised at the number of young teens that are easily hitting 180. Coaches these days are encouraging the kids to smash it.
I know a guy who is 185 who has definitely never seen a gym 😂😂
@@davidlangley94same here. Even into low 190s. If you saw him you’d be like that guys ball speed is what? 😂
This is true.
Definitely the weakest episode so far. Lots of talking and very limited substance. The Golftec guy didn't really contribute and Mark Crossfield contributed less than he normally does.
What I would love to see is an executive summary of the Blackburn episodes. Condense his key explanations and drills into an 8 minute good nugget video to watch before every single speed practice session. Please!
Mark and Nick have got to be the biggest douches in golf instruction. Mark talks like he's won 10 majors and Nick like he's the smartest guy in the golf.