Dr Olivia Muchena, Zimbabwe Ex-Cabinet Minister In Conversation With Trevor (Part 1)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- (Part 1)
In this week's episode, Trevor sits down with Dr Olivia Muchena, Zimbabwe ex-cabinet Minister who was was fired from ZANU-PF and Government for allegedly plotting to remove President Mugabe from office. They discuss her book 'The Power of Preparation,' how she got in & out of Cabinet, the experiences, and many more.
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Interesting interview. However, like most former Zanu PF bigwigs who were vanquished in the internal power struggles, she wants to present herself as a 'victim', a progressive, and 'clean' political player. She was the ZPF women's league leadership during the bloody-violent 2008 election, particularly in her constituency and in Bikita West (see Human Rights Watch, Zimbabwe: ZANU-PF Sets Up 'Torture Camps' - Opposition Voters Tell of Beatings, Intimidation, 19 April 2008), yet she did not condemn such act of political violence in public. Now that she is out of favour with the ruling party, she would have us believe that she is progressive, open-minded, and tolerant of divergent views. I hope the second part of the interview engages her on the violence in Mashonaland provinces and her complicit (directly) and indirectly by not speaking out against such heinous violence against opposition supporters in her constituency.
You are so right I won't forget the hell I went through in mutoko because of her. She was one of the tormentors of 2008 elections. She now wants to appear as a victim. She is beyond redemption nonsense
@@kufandiroristew it's sad what you went through and I hope you have healed from the trauma. Instead of apologising, she hides behind writing a book to exonerate herself. I find her disingenuous. @Trevor Ncube needs to pushback on some of the narrative by these turncoat politicians.
The only comment which makes sense here, fired ZANUists playing victims. It's a pity.
I totally agree with you
Do ZANU PF people also go through some traumatic moments?😢
Why not make a country where everyone feels secure in the first place despite political differences?
In May 2020 I was fired from Allied Timbers Mtao Estate. I was then Estate Manager. I understand how it feels. The phone never rings and friends vanish, vapourise instantly. Family remains steadfast. One perennial friend was there for me. Just like it was for Doc Muchena. This conversation strikes a chord with me.
There is something common about former Zanu PF members..All of them seem to reason when expelled, only when expelled. Non of them accept BLAME .
Vakadzidza kupi shamwari, i want my kids to be sharp like you.
true dat ..you can say that again. Matsotsi aya
Thats very true Themba and it baffles me.
Olivia is my mentor. I still can recall your advice on the need for a government to be proactive and not reactionary.
Thank you for the show. The guest articulated her points clearly and I liked it. A balanced discussion. Can't wait for my copy of the book.
The guest you mean, the host is Trevor!
@@beniasmugabe6768 exactly right. thanks for the correction.
Who is the host here
Olivia, you changed nothing for the ordinary citizen but yourselves
53:00 "That process [violent land acquisition] was a revolution in itself. Trevor, I don't know many revolutions that are bloodless. I am not condoning the [spilling of blood], but what I appreciate is that it could have been worse than what happened" Dr. Olivia Muchena.
I wonder what she will say about the current state of Zimbabwe they had the privilege to store create a future for there children children.
Wonderful conversation. God bless you Dr Muchena. Keep being the salt of the earth.
very informative ,thank you Mr Ncube keep up the good work
Many thanks Mr. Ncube. Its interesting to get an insider's view into the workings of government. Looking forward to Part 2.
I have great respect for you Mhamha Olivia Muchena❤
may you please insert the date of the interview, this will help viewers assess the importance of the story in relation to current affairs. thank you for the good work, been following many of your interviews
Thank you Dr Muchena. For sure everyone including our African politicians need that preparedness to deliver a good service
It’s infuriating that she feels she has a complaint to make. Mutoko suffered irreversible trauma and misery under your watch if not directive. She caused so much despair particularly because locals expected her to be Motherly. I am tempted to simply say Go to Hell!
She should go to hell this lady is is useless
Its hard to feel pity for zanu pf bigwigs
True 💖🥰💖 The peace of God that surpassed All human understanding
How they like to remember God when things turn against them. When people are killed for their sake they forget there is God
Well articulated, thanks
These old heads are the reason why Zimbabwean people are suffering right now. It hurts my heart to see them acting as darlings of the day and as "victims" because they fell out favor with ZANU.
Imagine ans 70 years old man or woman hang on to power is a,70 old still got future
Reading the comments of people feeling touched, I thought I missed something because I don´t know much about her but I know these old people are the reason why the status quo. Before she was fired she was part of a regime that ill-treated millions of people. Afrikans will never cease to amaze me. They treat us bad and we feel bad for them when the table turns. We are the reason our continent will never go anywhere, we enable these politicians.
@@MoAfrika-Afrika it buffles the mind my brother. In Mutoko where she was MP score and scores of people died due to political violences nhasi akuda kuita kunge akachena. And as people we are so naive too. Quick to forget.
@@MoAfrika-Afrika I agree with you completely . They never accept responsibility. It makes me mad. Can you see that she was not even govt minister material apart from her education credentials there is nothing else there . I don’t think she can even quote us one achievement in her carrier and she was in govt all those years . Then we wonder why Africa fails . Some people should just be left in lecture theatres where they are needed most.
@@irenemathambo4831 The rate in which people here sympathise with these politicians I'm beginning to think that these guys don't rig the votes. People vote for them.
Woman I had immense respect for. I find it odd that she speaks of Ghana as progressive and in the same breath suggests that parliamentary systems are drawn from a toxic history as though to sanitize the mess in Zim's politics. The natural direction she would have taken would have been to say that there is a culture of intolerance which has nothing to do with decapitations in Britain. Zanu refuses to have an open playing field!
I never miss an episode.....these conversations are worth it ,very insightful 👌
Interesting conversation, eagerly waiting for Part 2
🥰🥰 am loving the book
When a scholar deliberately distorts facts on land reform to suit her narrative I think its worrisome. Land reform was a reaction to the referendum and the the formation of MDC by Tsvangirai. Zanu booted out the Svosve people who genuinely wanted land. Today land is owned only by the Zanu people
You're spot on!
Thank u
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@@villasquad8712 Noted with thanks
Trevor may you interview Francis Nhema as well
Waiting for part 2
Very touching interview.
I will agree with Nkosana Moyo who once said if he was to be elected president, he will ensure the constitution is changed so that only technocrats become ministers. Unlike the current situation where the the majority of ministers are drawn from noise makers in parliament .The few technocrats in the current government are reporting to the barracks so there is nothing positive to expect from them.
Long ques at the herbet chitepo branch full of confused employees
I am fascinated by her humility and articulacy. One lesson from this conversation is; Politics has nothing like permanence and it's a game where you have to be in charge of affairs that determine your fate, otherwise everything slips off your hands. Sleep with one eye open.
Excellent book and big minds that most people require for their leadership and future generations at large. Thank you doctor. Mugabe leadership was mostly on rumors and this killed most of his leadership to become a monster to his crue
One philosopher said " for evil to prevail, it takes good people to keep silent", She was part of an evil system she knew it but kept quite enjoying the benefits, and very true to the system it chews and spits off all the good people out!
They all turn out good after leaving Zanu pf
Very talented woman. She should be in leadership in politics still.
No she is old. Let her rest, Respectfully.
What I find very troublesome about these clowns is that they never seem to realize nor care that they harmed the common people when they were in power.
Exactly, she comes here and play all saint and VICTIM WTF
very informative
Collateral damage when your children are involved. It’s also collateral damage when parents lose their children whom you send to kill opponents and they end up inviting ngozi into their families . So selfish
God bless and protect you Mr President Chamisa
Violence in Mutoko, what was her role?
This lady does not mention that she was a senior member of the UANC led by Abel Muzorewa
Best interview!!
They play victim when they are expelled..thats crazy.....I wish these ministers had acted like Simba Makoni and Nkosana Moyo...these two ex ministers will always have my respect.. we as Zimbabweans we are the only nation with leaders who are refusing to allow civilisation and ultimate democracy...this has developed hatred and divisions amongst ourselves.
one man one vote was needed. the issue of land was for you big fish to get big farms in the name of resettlement. poverty is eating up settled people without proper resources to do the proper farming. its difficult to give criticism to the system that was putting food on your table
First they (Zanu PF govt) came for the Ndebeles and ZAPU, and she did not speak out-because she was neither.
Then they came for the white farmers, and she did not speak out- because "I don't know many revolutions that are bloodless" 53:00
Then they came for the MDC supporters, and she did not speak out-because she wanted to retain her constituency seat at all cost.
Then they came for you-and there was no one left to speak for you. Adapted from Martin Niemöller's famous quotation.
She is still talking about secrecy. Once Zanu PF always Zanu PF. Never repent.
How does one get a copy of the book?
Disturbing at 9mins she said I thought I was going to be collected and taken to wherever 🤔 so she knows people are collected at night?mmmm
Awesome
TREVOR WHERE CAN WE GET THE BOOK
Listening to some of these ex ministers and former government officials it's now that i can tell not all of them were demons
Nyaradzo yakadhakwa they don't offer what they promise
Mbuya ava vanga vari MP since 1995 but Mutoko has no development at all. They were dead wood in government.
Very thought provoking interesting conversation.🥰
Intriguing interview and thought provoking as well,thank you Mama for sharing your story.You know when you take the white knowledge system all of it without choosing things that work in our context as Afrikans and those that doesn't,we are bound to fail,we fail more because we measure our efforts and ways to the standard of the West as if we are step children in this world,as if we only started existing after the coming of whites..before Europeans came to our shores we had our own ways of organising our society ,ourown ways of training leadership ,yes I admit knowledge like culture is not static but the conveyor belt way, take everything from the West to me, doesn't work,# let's decolonise our knowledge system. "Democracy is not instant coffee" Your narrative on land reform mama upsets them more,if they go with it they lose friends.." their rich friends" Today's in conversation with Travor Ncube is a stop start continuously..khunzima mama... "Democracy is not instant coffee" to build a country is not "two mins noodles" If a democracy of 200 years( USA) still has loads of sicknesses...who are we to expect ours to be smooth sailing.
I campaigned for Dr. Muchena as a woman trying to support women into PowerPoints. I expected changes, but nothing changed except that Dr. Muchena became inaccessible to women and I. It was frustrating and self deafiting to get some women in. Nothing got done. No land, no progress. Dr. Muchena you abandoned women and their agenda. You became too important to talk to us and why chase you up? Sure these ZANU PF are accustomed to being pedestaled and forget that they developed into monsters who were unreachable!!!
bring Oppah herr
These ZANU PF feel entitled and very selfish people who look only after their interests. There are the very reasons Zimbabwe is a broken and failed country. To rubbish with them, a clean slate is required for Zimbabwe to ever come back from the deep social and economical decay it is in right now.
Hey Trevor how can I get that book pliz
Are we supposed to feel sorry for her? 😒
Wakaitei kwaMtoko kwacho ? 20 years munhu aripachigaro no change mxm
Courage! Really! It is not about courage Trevor, you have to be wicked and corrupt if you want to be successful in politics. Courage has some positive connotations in it.
i respect this woman very much.I can see she is getting old now.I used to like the way she talk.she was a politician but a nice one
Is she correct to say people went to war to get land? Maybe so, is it the greatest need of our time? Maybe. Did it mean land for those who branded themselves war veterans? No. She is among the many big guns who think Zimbabwe owes them a leg and an arm. Everything sweet must be channelled to their children and grandchildren. If she had not been fired; she would be in the new dispensation at her age vying for ministerial posts. She is unrepentant and shows no emotion for the blood and pain during what she terms a land revolution. Pushing a narrative of entitlement. A shame. She should be ashamed. A mind blinkered by years of unchecked power. Sad.
Their experience in how they liberated their country differ from Zimbabwe situation
Excuse me, your point being?
@@EndoCanna hahaahhahaa. I assume its political liberation then vs economic liberation now, its an assumption hey.
You were part of the demise of the people of Zimbabwe. We don't have time for False Leaders
Interesting conversation however Dr Olivia was quite Conservative in her responses, that has left me @50-50 whether to buy her book or not.
One of the most disappointing interviews. Always had a soft spot for her but after today hmmmmm
crocodile tears .. I will further not enrich her by buying a book which narrates how they created the current status quo .The book should be free because they stole zim money
About political training the Chinese seem to have the formula for their society
She must really think we are dumb 😔😔
How can we get the book
She is trying to play the victim role, but she was part of the system that destroyed zimbabwe. Even after she was fired she still wanted to get back in. It’s only after they have been removed from these positions when you hear them complain
Trevor Why keep referencing her book as a source of questions
That's my home girl
When we tell them that zanupf is not good they are killer's they refused but they want us to believe them when they are out of zanupf that's nonsense very stupid
Yes , when they get fired then they play victim and it comes as a surprise to them . Very selfish and stupid . I don’t know what happens to all the education that they will have strived for all those years . Nothing to give to the country except grief to the people . Her memorable moment in government is when she made a fan available for Mugabe . Bootlicking at its best . Kudzidzira mahara. Stupid .
“Recommended for firing “. Really , is there ever such a thing🤪
So we are being squeezed by the foreign government and our own government .
A lot of wisdom is being shared here. very inspirational
Ghana can do it, us, we can't "did it"not my words
Though, old lady had to go back home to rest. Can’t imagine a country being successful led by such old people for real.
This woman was the only good woman in Zanu pf
The 2014 political purges were the Sarajevo to the Coup. RGM had overplayed his cards.
Why is the education minister concerning herself with the President's climate needs. FAILED State.
So kurima jatropha instead of food is your idea of development? Where in Mutoko did the development you talk about happen? Mai imi ityai Mwari imi
Anonyepa mazianhu aya
That's it no say
My classmate
hi Trevor can you please do your interviews in shona!!
No he is ndebele why would he do them in shona?
@@feyfey5678 Because he is Zimbabwean😀
@@KabodS7 I am one as I say he shouldn't
Being Zimbabweans doesn't mean u speak that language I don't
@@feyfey5678 or ndebele and other Zimbabwean recognized languages which is not English
For Olivia to ignore that land was used as a political by ZANU is unbelievable. She herself cites Ghana elections but still thinks there was anything positive about the land reform…crazy
Next time bring Amai Mujuru
Actually one will not get much from these former government actors. You could check Amai Mujuru's responses on that era on Sly Media Productions Facebook. She did interview after being fired
I just love how these "former" Zanu people become "enlightened" after leaving the gravy train seem to have been democratic but the system itself was the one that was rotten
maybe they get taught proper politics at exit kkkk
The Marondera people are the Mbire clan of Svosve who took over farms Dhirihora and Masikana
crocodile tears .. I will further not enrich her by buying a book which narrates how they created the current status quo .The book should be free because they stole zim money
Good morning, is there part2
Yes it will premiere today, 8pm
Interesting is how everyone who has been in ZanuPF takes NO blame for anything that went wrong in Zimbabwe during their time in Government, they actually want public sympathy! They seem to suggest that it was Mugabe responsible for everything.
Only simba makoni takes accountability
So does she think we will feel sorry for her. Olivia was part of the cabal and she grossly contributed to the mess that we are in.
Disappointing interview. She was very cagey
my only question to mama is what happened to this side of you when you had the power to change not everything but some aspects of Zimbabwean politics. what happened to this side of you when Zanu Was violating everything you are talking about under your watch.
Where is part 2?
Part 2 Premieres 8pm (CAT) 14/03/22
This woman brought about our suffering vachitamba havo kongonya kumalavish party aMugabe.
Tibvigwe hedu mbavha nemhondi idzi.
@@OSADYEFO varikuenda kugehena
clearly she is a zanu person..on her book only crying because was fired..she does not regret all the destruction of Zimbabwe..she felt pain for her Son but does not see problems of what zanu has done to many Sons and Daughters in Matebeleland and Midlands when she was in Zanu...never cares about what zanu later did to many Sons and Daughters in Mashonaland..shit yomuntu
She doesnt come across as smart
I concur
Ko munhu uyu mupenyu,??? Imboko dze Zanu idzi ,dai asina kudzingwa achingoba nekutamba vanhu rough nana Ediot so , who in their senses would purchase a toxic cocktail of fibs , where someone wants to cleanse themselves
Doing my duties for example it was hot and I thought the president needed a fan - is that a minister's duty? She and the other old people must have resigned long back. They destroyed this country but noone wants to own up to their misdeeds
🤣 You can say that again. Shows the calibre of our leaders. Kutsvaga dzvene pese-pese.
She is so dull and boring. Even Teurai Nhongo who got educated by correspondence , is more eloquent and delivers her messages with ease . This one struggles even to finish a sentence.
Why all these former Zanupf bigwigs appear trautimised and victims. Yet there have been thousands of ordinary citizens who were brutalized, maimed and killed. 2008 you sat sipping coffee when your party went on a killing spree and to make matters worse, you were denying it.
Andipa hasha mukadzi uyu.nxaaaa