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Hi HistoryMarche L) Little feedback here, please don't use small word, my eye not so good to read that small word on small android phone. Use old big word like you always do on old video. Thank you. And sorry for my bad english.
Alexander gets a lot of attention(for good reasons) but Phllip was a pretty skilled commander as well. His feigned retreat here was a brilliant move. Breaking up the enemy formation so that the more elite Thebans could be encircled while his veteran men tied down the Athenian troops. Easy to see where Alexander got his commanding skills from.
Alexander - better tactically and as a battle commander. Phillip- better as strategist and politician. Phil's skills set up Alex in the best of position to wield his own attributes
@@caseyh1934 true, we saw in alexander's life that he was great on the battlefield but was lacking a good deal in his political manuvers. He frequently failed in his attempts to appease the persian nobles and his own greeks, and nearly died multiple times due to that. Furthermore he failed to properly consolidate his gains and his empire, leading to it being broken immediately after he died. He should have been slower in expanding and should have tried for more heirs, so that they could have continued his work expanding. Its possible rome might have been conquered had it been a united macedon rather than just epirus fighting them.
Phillip built the kingdom from rubbles and stones. Made it powerful. Reorganised its army into a powerful one. Made reforms that flourished the kingdom. He laid the entire foundation upon which Alexander could etch his name into the history books as the arguably the greatest conquerer. Phillip's legacy is underrated. He should be mentioned more.
This gives a lot of context for Alexander's later destruction of Thebes. His father treated them leniently because he needed allies against Persia. Alexander learned that they would never be an ally.
It would've been bad if Athens got destroyed as well. Alexander killed and enslaved the entire population of Thebes. If that had happened to Athens as well, it would've been an even worse disaster, however much it would've benefited the young, overreaching King of Macedon.
@@1112viggo gay in Greek is a common thing but that sacred band really is impressive,they even defeated the Spartan. Too bad they were slaughtered to the last men by Macedonia
I would personally love a series about Philip instead of Alexander. Alexander Is great and all (pun intended) but I feel that Philip Is far too overlooked even though his life Is quite interesting. Just my opinion anyway, great video as always.
Phillip was the titan whose shoulders Alexander stood on. Phillip reformed the army. Phillip made sure it was now professional soldiers, not drafted farmers. Phillip did all of the work, expanded the nation, made reforms, setting Macedonia up, deploying the sarissa pike -all tools building up Alexander - including choosing his tutor a man you may have heard of named Aristotle.
Germanium It was just mostly just big words from sparta with no action to back it up. Sparta had declined so badly that even the philosophy lovers of athens would have no problems wiping them out. In fact phillip chose not to invade sparta simply because it was just not worth his time. Even alexander just to snub the spartans gave luxuries and rewards to all greeks except sparta. It was pretty insulting to be honest. Sparta was already so miserable nobody even bothered with them.
@@althesian9741 And of course Spara served as a bogeyman for most of the greeks. Even with his power dwindling it sparked lumbering fears in the heads of most of the Citystates.
Imagine the amount of trust Philip had for his son, Alexander was only 17 years old and led the other half of Philip's army.. again, at the age of SEVENTEEN. Crazy.
''We can return to hating each other''. As a Greek this made me chuckle, so accurate. Pretty much why Philip's plan to unify Greek people should have continued at all costs. Romans pretty much conquered all greek people one by one. Thanks for the video.
Of the Greek city states joined forces they never would have fell! I reckon we would still be seeing Greece as a world superpower today if they weren't so petty towards each other
What a fucking joke the Greeks sold the Macedonian kingdom out to rome ushering in the first division of Macedonia to Roman client states they then became some romanised romaioi Macedonia for the Macedonians
You cant unify different ethnicities like the macedonians🇲🇰 and the greeks. Thats why the macedonian king Phillip didn't unify, but simply defeated the greeks.
The tragic end to one of the greatest fighting force in all of Greece. The sacred band of Thebes. Phillip created a giant burial ground for them. I would like it if you guys did a few videos on them? I watch your videos every day. Good work.
Another amazing map HistoryMarche! So detailed that it make you realize the rugged terrain of Greece and make you understood why the greek cities develop so different from each other
Thank you sir. The new map design took some months to complete, but I'm happy with how it turned out, and even happier to see such positive feedback. Thanks for watching!
The original pronunciation is “MaKedonia”.The first use of the name,was in 750BC from the ancient poet and writer Isiodos,the greatest after Homer.In his poem “Theogony”he refers to Makedon as son of Grekos and brother of Hellinas and Magnitas.
MAKEDONIJA JE DRZAVA NASTANJENA SRBIMA I FILIP I ALEKSANDAR SU SRBI STARI VI GRCI STE IH ZVALI PEGAZIMA IMALI SU VLAST I NAD GRCKIM POLISIMA VESTO SE PONISTILI I UKRALI SRPSKU ISTORIJU I TERITORIJU MAKEDONIJA ASIMILIRALI PROTERALI I POBILI SRBE.I FILIP I ALEKSANDAR SU PLAVI LJUDI IMA LI PRAVIH GRKA KOJI SU DOSLI IZ EGIPTA PLAVIH.
@@gjorgjibozhinovski7958 srbi su bili veliki narod na velikom prostoru pa su govorili i malo razlicitim dijalektom srpskog.djordje svatio ne shvatio to je tvoja stvar vi ste srbi.a aleksandar makedonski je licno ubio svog vojskovodju kada se obratio vojnicima na grckom.pogledaj na spomeniku ahilu srpski grb koji potice jos iz vince krst sa cetiri kriva es kao polumesec pa ce ti biti jasno.
@@gjorgjibozhinovski7958 koji je narod ziveo na peloponezu i maloj aziji kada su grci dosli iz egipta.zasto su ih grci zvali pegazima u prevodu sa starogrckog plavim ljudima Srbi.dali su filip i aleksandar bili plavi ili crni i zasto su ih grci zvali tracanima i govorili u celoj makedoniji kakva je to drzava kada nemozes kupiti roba.srbi nisu imali robove bili su na visem stupnju razvoja od grka.grci i jevreje vode poreklo od istog huritskog naroda a za nesrecu aleksandar je imao dva ucitelja grka i jevrejeina i oba su ga nagovarala da ratuje protiv svog naroda srpskih plemena.
Alexander the Great may well have been the greatest military commander in the history of the world but Philip II doesn't get nearly the credit he's due. He handed his son the keys to a formidable war machine, innovative and well trained. He also raised Alexander from birth to become what he later became (even securing Aristotle, one of the greatest philosophers and scientist the world had yet known, to be his teacher). Greatness only very rarely materializes out of thin air and Alexander was certainly no exception.
I am curious about where you would draw the line between authenticity and understandability though. For example, if you used the native names for countries in the World Wars you would be talking about Deutschland, Nippon, Belgique and Österreichisch-Ungarische. While many English speakers could probably follow what you are saying, I think the majority would struggle to understand every name.
I have to agree with Zarabada here. We are in fact speaking english so it makes sense to use english spelling and pronunciation. Each language has a different way of naming other regions/countries and there is nothing wrong with that.
Its really nice that you guys never compromise on quality. Excellent as always and very good plug. Despite having too many documentaries to catch up on, you've peaked my interest in curiosity stream. I live near Chateau-Gaillard and I always wondered why it was considered so revolutionary if it fell so quickly to a weak seige and is barely standing today.
In the historical records, what is today commonly called "the league of Corinth" is mentioned as "Kinon Ellinikon" (ΚΟΙΝΟΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΝ) which in fact translates as "Common Hellenic" (or Greek commonwealth). This is how you will find it written by the hands of the people who lived those days. The..."league of Corinth" term is simillar to that of "Byzantine Empire", confusion and slandering. The name "league of Corinth" only gives room for manipulating history.
Thanks for the information. I'm so fascinated by the Byzantine Empire and Hellenic civilization myself. While I agree that the term ''Byzantine'' is a purely historical construct, possibly designed by Western European historians to discredit the Eastern Roman Empire, it was also necessary to give a name to the unique civilization that emerged from 7th century onwards, and Byzantine Empire helps to make that distinction. It was still the Roman Empire, but it evolved into something very distinct. Roman in military and imperial tradition, Greek in thought and language, and Christian in faith.
You guys have such a high quality very fun approach to military history. I literally get goose bumps when is see you guys have a new video. Outstanding!
A very impressive documentary and map explanations were masterly. Another thing I liked most is, they don't hate Alexander as most of the other TH-cam history channels.
funny thing is most favourite kind of kebap that Turks eat is called Alexander (iskender) . There it is. That's a big acomplishment. www.diyetkolik.com/site_media/media/2019/11/01/iskender-kebap.jpg
Excellent graphic , the sensation is that i am like there near the battlefield watching closely every move of troops ... Quality content as always ,HistoryMarche!
@@HistoryMarche for someone who has no idea speaking greek, you did a fairly decent job, although greek names and pronunciations are pretty hard to learn to be honest!
It still sounds "Makedonia" for Greeks, except for people who fall for slavic propaganda, cause Slavs call it Macedonia, allthought Slavs wouldn´t exist yet back then, and for another 1300 years... My mother (greek) was stunned in 1967, during a trip in Germany, where she found out, that Slavic propaganda has worked that good, that US-Americans didn´t know that Makedonia was founded by Greeks, but supposedly by Slavs instead, althought the name is more than 1000 years older than the first existing Slavs in human history (those Slavs far-far away in Russia, and not before much later, also arriving near Greece)...
@@klausbrinck2137 we macedonians call our land makedonia not makedhonìa as greek pronunce. Macedonia is in english! Better informe about this!. He pronunce makedonia as we pronunce with normal d and acent on the letter o Makedònia!
Thank you sir. This has become a full time thing for me, and to be honest I really enjoy seeing feedback like yours, not least because I work roughly 14-15 hours per day, with maybe 1-2 days off per month, as that is the only way I can do more than one video per month - these take a long time to make.
I've seen arguments with some good links and points in other videos covering this part of Greek history that the sacred band may have been less lovers and more like shield brothers. Something about how someone got the various words for the different types of love that the Greeks used confused. Pretty common still even in this day. Thanks for the vid.
Yep, the "definition" of the Sacred Band is up for debate. In a nutshell, it's either A) an actual small elite unit made up for male lovers (not impossible at all), or B) a unit with mature soldiers training their "favorites" who are young boys. The problem is mostly in translation of certain words from Greek that creates confusion. In all, my personal opinion is that we can't know for sure which of the two Sacred Band was, perhaps even a mix of A and B.
Thebans were sworn enemies of Athenians for centuries. All the sources we have about the sacred band come from athenian sources. It is like germans won the WWII and 2k years after we have only german descriptions of the allies. Athenians called Boiotia the land of the Thebans , " Land of the cows. This is not a definition just for the cows but for the people themselves" .Meaning all thebans were cows. This is how much the "liked" Thebans..
@@HistoryMarche No it is not up for debate. There is a concensus among the historians that they were indeed male lovers. The only opposition comes from ultra conservatives whose interpretation of manhood and homosexuality is challenged by it.
@@baldpdeng2035 nope. homosexuality was against the law. to openly say they were lovers would probably not have been a super easy feat. The Athenians calling them lovers would have just been an insult thus the lack of consensus on the matter.
I was deffo not expecting Hannibal part 9 😏 but i've never heard of Philipp fighting along his son before he was THE great. Superb vid as always keep up the great work!
@@HistoryMarche its all good i just thought it was after Munda. But hey i'll take any vid these are quality especially ones that you haven't heard of either just the details or at all.
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It might be. Nothing concrete yet, but I did want to frame the story to be series-compatible. I first mostly need to focus on other mini-series and Hannibal.
God you guys make history so engaging. Almost like a game. I wish my history classes were like this. I would have loved history way more earlier. You did several series about the Romans and the different time periods they went through and their reforms... Man were they awesome... I would have never fully understood why they were so great.
Oh, and thanks for teaching me our history as it should have been in schools, at least partially. Romanian schools still teaches us the fantasy history of the communist agenda still... Maybe you can make a series about the Roman-Dacian wars some day. :)
Good documentary, but the title is misleading, it is a Thebean-Athenian coalition and not a greek of better said Panhellenic, the Aetolians, Epirotans and Spartans didn't take part in this war . Also Demosthenes didn't hate Philip for the reason of him being a Macedonian rather the real reason is that he took pretty much every city in the north that belonged in the second Delian league
Astute observations. Demosthenes characterized Philip to further his own end, which was to persuade the Athenians and ultimately all the Greeks of the danger Phillips autocracy posed to their autonomous way of life. After Philip came to power he subjugated city after city, and Demosthenes could tell that he posed a threat not just for the states in his vicinity but to the whole of Greece and to the civic way of life the Greeks valued so much. A life without liberty was a life not worth living in the view of citizens of the poleis. That was also Demosthenes' own very noble view. It's difficult not to sympathize with him. Alas the Greek cities thought it was going to be a nominal kind of hegemony and disregarded Demosthenes' sound advise. We can understand that as well. The Greek cities weren't about to be drawn into a costly war when Philip had not yet shown any clear sign that he intended to subjugate Greece. And so Chaeronea happened. The philippics don't represent Philip himself but rather the urgency felt by Demosthenes to defend against him and the perceived level of threat posed by indecisive foreign policy on the part of Athens.
@@othmanaljid9076 how so? Even today there are those who consider us, Aetolians, as barbarians, half joking of course yet at the ancient times every city state considers themselves as the true Greeks heirs to the Mycheneans and Pelasgians and the rest of the Greek tribes as barely Greek or barbarians. The Athenean-Ionians thought that every Dorian (Spartan, Macedonian, Aetolian, Argian, Thesallian...) were barbarians. The Acheans (true heirs of Myceaneans) were also barbarians for the Atheneans and they did that just to claim hegemony over whole Hellas... how am i biased? I'm pretty sure that you need to do a little research before you criticize an other as biased...
@@RagingBlast2Fan well Demosthenes just wanted that Athens claimed hegemony over Hellas just as every city state at that time. Phillip was a danger sure, for the Delian League as they in turn build aggressive cities on the shores of Macedonia in order to claim the timber and gold that Macedonia had. Also ''Autonomus way of life'' or eleutheria was something that every citizen had even those who lived at kingdoms such as Epirus, Laconia (Sparta) Argos, Thessaly, Aetolia, Macedonia. The freedom always was a part that everyone is equal in the eyes of law. The Athenians just took that a step further and when they held the hegemony at the end of the Persian wars they turned the Delian League into Athenian Hegemony thus sparking the Peloponisian war. Also, when they liberated themselves, with the help of Thebes, they, once again, tried to create the second Delian League, which tried to become again an Athenian Hegemony thus sparking again the Social war!!!! I am a Greek and I too believe that Eleftheria (freedom) and autonomy a is sacred, but the Athenians didn't hold their end of the bargain in that regard, Sparta is guilty too for that matter. Also ''Greek cities'' isn't really the term that I will use. We are in the era of coalition or leagues. Arcadian league (Argos Messene and the rest of central Peloponnese) Boeotian League (Thebes and Aeolians), Delian League (Athens and the Ionian city-states), Chalcidian League etc. Also, you regard Demosthenes as pure idealist, and to be fair it's true BUT, again, he was an Athenian patriot. He could care less about the freedom of Aetolia (Naphpactos=Athenian aggressive settlement in Aetolia) or Macedonia (Neapolis, Pydna, Methone=Athenian aggressive settlements in Macedonia) or even of Chalcidian League's (Potidea=Athenian aggressive settlement in Chalcis). see that's the reason that only the Boeotian and Delian League fought in this battle as the rest just accept Macedonia Hegemony during the end of the third sacred war and after the punishment that Phocian League received.
@@HistoryMarche More like the ''ego'' of destiny.Without Filippos there is no Alexandros and without Alexandros there is no Hellas(Greece) united for the first time as it is today.And without that there is no Europe and without Europe there is no Christianity and without Christianity there is no Greek(Eastern Roman-Byzantine)Empire and without that there is no Europe and without that there is no Renaissance and without that there is no me and you and everything you see today.Alexandros was one of many man(possibly the most important) before and after him that contributed to what we see and will humanity see long after we are dead in the future until the ''job is done''(whatever that may mean, i have no idea).
Alexander's mother was from the kingdom of Epirus and his father's bloodline from Argos. All Greek names as well as Alexander's generals. They used a Greek dialect cause they WERE Greek. As all the Greek city states.
The detail in the animation is incredible. The quality of the entire content of this video is simply amazing. This is one of first battles I tried hard to imagine from reading. Was Luectra done already?😋
@@IinferusS Imperator was bad (unfinished) when it came out, but nowadays it's getting better and better. And if you play it with some of the good mods, it's even better. And Paradox announced Crusader Kings 3!
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Hey how do you do ur maps? Are they self made or are they from somewhere else?
Cheers mate perfect time during the Lockdown to get on that trial much appreciated.
Always love your stuff! Also, how is this comment two days old when this was just posted?!
Hi HistoryMarche L) Little feedback here, please don't use small word, my eye not so good to read that small word on small android phone. Use old big word like you always do on old video. Thank you. And sorry for my bad english.
What are the names of the music tracks used from Epidemicsound ?
This Alexander kid is pretty outstanding, he should lead an army into asia minor or something
The stars that shine twice as bright, only live half as long!
"And right over here Alexander had the idea of conquering the entire Persian Empire it's a great idea, he was great and now he's dead"
@Joakim von Anka He also died too young and didn't leave a successor behind.
wonderkid , in deed...
You mean into India, am I right?
The level of detail of this map is incredible
Thank you sir. Took me months to draw all of it.
@@HistoryMarche I can't imagine the amount of work and research you invested. Keep up the good work
@@HistoryMarche Amazing!
Seriously, I was unaware how mountainous Greece really was until I saw this map. Great job!
@@williamwright9210 You'd be surprised at how mountainous the entire world is.
This is really just a touching story of a father and son spending time together.
Haha, yeah,.
they traveled a lot, saw many fascinating places and killed a lot of interesting people.
@@schnitzel2121 😐👀
😅
Alexander gets a lot of attention(for good reasons) but Phllip was a pretty skilled commander as well. His feigned retreat here was a brilliant move. Breaking up the enemy formation so that the more elite Thebans could be encircled while his veteran men tied down the Athenian troops. Easy to see where Alexander got his commanding skills from.
Phillip had as his tutors Epaminondas and Pelopidas.
That says alot.
Look who he is descended from 2 very famous family lines
Alexander - better tactically and as a battle commander. Phillip- better as strategist and politician.
Phil's skills set up Alex in the best of position to wield his own attributes
@@caseyh1934 true, we saw in alexander's life that he was great on the battlefield but was lacking a good deal in his political manuvers.
He frequently failed in his attempts to appease the persian nobles and his own greeks, and nearly died multiple times due to that.
Furthermore he failed to properly consolidate his gains and his empire, leading to it being broken immediately after he died.
He should have been slower in expanding and should have tried for more heirs, so that they could have continued his work expanding.
Its possible rome might have been conquered had it been a united macedon rather than just epirus fighting them.
You mean Pip? He was a victim of great expectations.
Phillip built the kingdom from rubbles and stones. Made it powerful. Reorganised its army into a powerful one. Made reforms that flourished the kingdom. He laid the entire foundation upon which Alexander could etch his name into the history books as the arguably the greatest conquerer. Phillip's legacy is underrated. He should be mentioned more.
Agree. Philip isn't talked about as much as he should be.
Also, the point I always have to make - he chose Alexanders tutor.... Aristotle! imagine the impact that likely had on history.
He was probably killed by assassin's called by Olympia
It's one of those cases where one can say without a shadow of doubt that "without X and there could be no Y."
This gives a lot of context for Alexander's later destruction of Thebes. His father treated them leniently because he needed allies against Persia. Alexander learned that they would never be an ally.
It would've been bad if Athens got destroyed as well. Alexander killed and enslaved the entire population of Thebes. If that had happened to Athens as well, it would've been an even worse disaster, however much it would've benefited the young, overreaching King of Macedon.
Amazing how great philip was as well
Idiots, both of them. They should have allied with Iran. They fucked their entire ethnicity into oblivion and the Persians won the war.
Alexander wanted to set example before he goes to keep fontrol of city states.
Even still he gave them a chance and they rejected it.
The eyeballs of Alex watching his dad made me LOL
You mean the binoculars? Hehe.
@@HistoryMarche Man, he and Phillip were WAAYYY ahead of their time!
This must be the "Bring your son to your workday: Ancient time edition"
Haha, that's one way of looking at it.
Or the bring your gay lover to war edition.
@@1112viggo wtf
@@wankawanka3053 Ya know, the sacred band? 150 pair of homosexual male lover warriors who fought to impress their partner. Not everyday you see that.
@@1112viggo gay in Greek is a common thing but that sacred band really is impressive,they even defeated the Spartan. Too bad they were slaughtered to the last men by Macedonia
THE QUARANTINE JUST GOT MORE TOLERABLE.
@spudnic88 are we winning it?
I would personally love a series about Philip instead of Alexander. Alexander Is great and all (pun intended) but I feel that Philip Is far too overlooked even though his life Is quite interesting. Just my opinion anyway, great video as always.
Phillip is great and yeah there should be series about his 20 year period.
Phillip was the titan whose shoulders Alexander stood on. Phillip reformed the army. Phillip made sure it was now professional soldiers, not drafted farmers. Phillip did all of the work, expanded the nation, made reforms, setting Macedonia up, deploying the sarissa pike -all tools building up Alexander - including choosing his tutor a man you may have heard of named Aristotle.
Philip II, the Hegemon : If I invade Sparta with my army there will be nothing left but ruins.
Some Lacedaemonian bois : *IF.*
Lol
And despite the IF Macedon did beat Sparta in 331 BC. :D
Germanium It was just mostly just big words from sparta with no action to back it up. Sparta had declined so badly that even the philosophy lovers of athens would have no problems wiping them out. In fact phillip chose not to invade sparta simply because it was just not worth his time.
Even alexander just to snub the spartans gave luxuries and rewards to all greeks except sparta. It was pretty insulting to be honest. Sparta was already so miserable nobody even bothered with them.
@@althesian9741 And of course Spara served as a bogeyman for most of the greeks. Even with his power dwindling it sparked lumbering fears in the heads of most of the Citystates.
Sparta was irrelevant and weak at this point.
This video should be called “Ancient city states drunk texting each other”
Imagine the amount of trust Philip had for his son, Alexander was only 17 years old and led the other half of Philip's army.. again, at the age of SEVENTEEN. Crazy.
Makes you believe the taming of Bucephalus was a true story. One extraordinary action after another until he was named general at 16
Athens and Thebes: "It's over Phillip! You can't outflank us!"
Phillip: "Then I'll 'create' a flank to exploit!"
Athens and Thebes: "NANI!?"
"It's over Phillip! I have the high ground!"
@@histguy101 'You underestimate my power'
@jorgan Kharn What on God's green earth are you talking about? This is in King Philip's reign not the 1800s.
@@StavsT sorry,I didn't refeared to you 😂
i was talking to the vardar but it seems I clicked you instead,sorry bout that,anyways
ALEX!
Alex: I gotcha, pops
Congratulation on your first ancient greek video thanks history marche
Thank you for watching.
''We can return to hating each other''. As a Greek this made me chuckle, so accurate. Pretty much why Philip's plan to unify Greek people should have continued at all costs. Romans pretty much conquered all greek people one by one. Thanks for the video.
Of the Greek city states joined forces they never would have fell! I reckon we would still be seeing Greece as a world superpower today if they weren't so petty towards each other
What a fucking joke the Greeks sold the Macedonian kingdom out to rome ushering in the first division of Macedonia to Roman client states they then became some romanised romaioi Macedonia for the Macedonians
You cant unify different ethnicities like the macedonians🇲🇰 and the greeks. Thats why the macedonian king Phillip didn't unify, but simply defeated the greeks.
@@puppetmasterk2 Macedonia is Greece.
@@puppetmasterk2 Try smoking some good quality weed for a change. The stuff you are smoking is just making you hallucinate.
The tragic end to one of the greatest fighting force in all of Greece. The sacred band of Thebes. Phillip created a giant burial ground for them. I would like it if you guys did a few videos on them? I watch your videos every day. Good work.
I might expand on this story, especially to include more about Philip, Sacred Band, Theban hegemony etc. We'll see what the future holds.
HistoryMarche there also were some heroic battles they fought against the Spartans.
@@casper191985 True.A lion statue.Similar to the lion on Amphipolis
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Another amazing map HistoryMarche! So detailed that it make you realize the rugged terrain of Greece and make you understood why the greek cities develop so different from each other
Thank you sir. The new map design took some months to complete, but I'm happy with how it turned out, and even happier to see such positive feedback. Thanks for watching!
My day is complete now.
The original pronunciation is “MaKedonia”.The first use of the name,was in 750BC from the ancient poet and writer Isiodos,the greatest after Homer.In his poem “Theogony”he refers to Makedon as son of Grekos and brother of Hellinas and Magnitas.
MAKEDONIJA JE DRZAVA NASTANJENA SRBIMA I FILIP I ALEKSANDAR SU SRBI STARI VI GRCI STE IH ZVALI PEGAZIMA IMALI SU VLAST I NAD GRCKIM POLISIMA VESTO SE PONISTILI I UKRALI SRPSKU ISTORIJU I TERITORIJU MAKEDONIJA ASIMILIRALI PROTERALI I POBILI SRBE.I FILIP I ALEKSANDAR SU PLAVI LJUDI IMA LI PRAVIH GRKA KOJI SU DOSLI IZ EGIPTA PLAVIH.
Stupidos :D .....Makedon is son of Zeus or now Zeus and Grekos its the same thing?? hahahahha
@@gjorgjibozhinovski7958 srbi su bili veliki narod na velikom prostoru pa su govorili i malo razlicitim dijalektom srpskog.djordje svatio ne shvatio to je tvoja stvar vi ste srbi.a aleksandar makedonski je licno ubio svog vojskovodju kada se obratio vojnicima na grckom.pogledaj na spomeniku ahilu srpski grb koji potice jos iz vince krst sa cetiri kriva es kao polumesec pa ce ti biti jasno.
@@gjorgjibozhinovski7958 koji je narod ziveo na peloponezu i maloj aziji kada su grci dosli iz egipta.zasto su ih grci zvali pegazima u prevodu sa starogrckog plavim ljudima Srbi.dali su filip i aleksandar bili plavi ili crni i zasto su ih grci zvali tracanima i govorili u celoj makedoniji kakva je to drzava kada nemozes kupiti roba.srbi nisu imali robove bili su na visem stupnju razvoja od grka.grci i jevreje vode poreklo od istog huritskog naroda a za nesrecu aleksandar je imao dva ucitelja grka i jevrejeina i oba su ga nagovarala da ratuje protiv svog naroda srpskih plemena.
@@rodoljubmutavdzic1386 Брат дај бе не се дрогирај жити мајка ...кои црни срби у антика најде
I guess sleeping can wait for a moment.
History is what keeps me awake at night :)
I don't need sleep, i need answers!
The narrator is one of the best i've seen...great job...
He's also one of the best I've heard as well! ;P
You always come up with amazing and historic battles with relevance. Loved this piece of art!
Alexander the Great may well have been the greatest military commander in the history of the world but Philip II doesn't get nearly the credit he's due. He handed his son the keys to a formidable war machine, innovative and well trained. He also raised Alexander from birth to become what he later became (even securing Aristotle, one of the greatest philosophers and scientist the world had yet known, to be his teacher). Greatness only very rarely materializes out of thin air and Alexander was certainly no exception.
Great pronunciation of Makedonia!!!
Thank you. It's not perfect, but at least we tried to do it with a "K" instead of a "C".
@@HistoryMarche No man it was really on point excellent work!
@@adilsoncaetano5684 thank you
I am curious about where you would draw the line between authenticity and understandability though.
For example, if you used the native names for countries in the World Wars you would be talking about Deutschland, Nippon, Belgique and Österreichisch-Ungarische. While many English speakers could probably follow what you are saying, I think the majority would struggle to understand every name.
I have to agree with Zarabada here. We are in fact speaking english so it makes sense to use english spelling and pronunciation. Each language has a different way of naming other regions/countries and there is nothing wrong with that.
Its really nice that you guys never compromise on quality. Excellent as always and very good plug. Despite having too many documentaries to catch up on, you've peaked my interest in curiosity stream.
I live near Chateau-Gaillard and I always wondered why it was considered so revolutionary if it fell so quickly to a weak seige and is barely standing today.
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite history Chanel’s on TH-cam
thanks. these maps are superb and while there is always room for improvement i found they gave depth to understanding this campaign and battle.
This voice is epic,so nice to hear it and the videos are well done made and very informative. Keep going guys!
Yes, finally a new beautiful documentary form HistoryMarche! Thank you for this pleasant surprise!
Very cool, and makes more sense of the battle than previous descriptions I've seen of it. TY much.
In the historical records, what is today commonly called "the league of Corinth" is mentioned as "Kinon Ellinikon" (ΚΟΙΝΟΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΝ) which in fact translates as "Common Hellenic" (or Greek commonwealth). This is how you will find it written by the hands of the people who lived those days. The..."league of Corinth" term is simillar to that of "Byzantine Empire", confusion and slandering. The name "league of Corinth" only gives room for manipulating history.
low T greeks at it again
Is he saying Macedonia correctly as in makkadonia?
Thanks for the information. I'm so fascinated by the Byzantine Empire and Hellenic civilization myself.
While I agree that the term ''Byzantine'' is a purely historical construct, possibly designed by Western European historians to discredit the Eastern Roman Empire, it was also necessary to give a name to the unique civilization that emerged from 7th century onwards, and Byzantine Empire helps to make that distinction. It was still the Roman Empire, but it evolved into something very distinct. Roman in military and imperial tradition, Greek in thought and language, and Christian in faith.
Macedonia is Greece Byzantine is Greece
dbo514 It wasn’t even Roman in military tradition. The Byzantine themes were totally different to the legion structure of the old Roman Empire
Alexander is a Leeroy when things actually go to plan
Right, he'd be like: "See that block of men?! That's where we're heading, full speed ahead!"
@@adilsoncaetano5684 I saw it but it take too long.
I love ancient history so much. Probably the best part of history for me it is. Your videos are so great buddy. Keep them coming.
Ironic for a turk
@@dragooll2023 why?
You guys have such a high quality very fun approach to military history. I literally get goose bumps when is see you guys have a new video. Outstanding!
Thank you very much for the kind words.
This Channel should have 1 million subs by now, the animation, the texture graphics and the details are amazing
This probably the best narrated video of Macedon I’ve ever watched. He summed it up really good and made an excellent map
The details on the map in this video are second to none! I can't wait to watch more of your videos!
A very impressive documentary and map explanations were masterly.
Another thing I liked most is, they don't hate Alexander as most of the other TH-cam history channels.
@bastiat the Morden world literally stand on greek study's. Which is only survived because of Alexander the Great
That Alexander kid of his, he ever accomplish anything?
Alexander who?i don't who that is but i am pretty sure that name will remain irrelevant for the remaining course of history.
Is just some crazy cav commander that belives he is a god and heir to the throne of Makedonia
funny thing is most favourite kind of kebap that Turks eat is called Alexander (iskender) . There it is. That's a big acomplishment. www.diyetkolik.com/site_media/media/2019/11/01/iskender-kebap.jpg
@@AP-qs2gx alexanders legacy lives on
I think that kid is going places. He might really become one of the greats one day.
the amount of wilhelm scream is too damn high
Great video with outstanding production value. I really enjoy the detailed strategic maps. Worth a sub!
Thank you sir. Welcome to the channel.
Excellent graphic , the sensation is that i am like there near the battlefield watching closely every move of troops ...
Quality content as always ,HistoryMarche!
Thanks Dan, always appreciate you stopping by. Took me some time to develop the new map design, but it's finally finished.
This video is so underrated. I wish people would realize how good your channel is.
This channel keeps getting better and better. Congrats!
I remember watching this years ago! And again I want to watch it again. Thank you for the reminder History Marche
My personal favorite Classical Battle, fantastic job!
This was a great video! Imagine being there and seeing Alexander crossing the field with his companion cavalry with Philip fighting to your right.
And you call yourself a lover of history 😅
You know you f*cked up!
It's always great to see those details video from Historymarche ❤
Thank you good sir :)
Absolutely phenomenal! Thanks for sharing!
What a superb channel this is. Great video, brilliant details. You really bring it to life!
Oh my god finally the right pronunciation for Makedonia.Thank you from the bottom of my heart
Thank you sir. I don't speak a word of Greek, but I tried to get some of the names correctly.
@@HistoryMarche for someone who has no idea speaking greek, you did a fairly decent job, although greek names and pronunciations are pretty hard to learn to be honest!
@@HistoryMarche all of your work is excellent but those little details in the research make all the difference. Keep up the good work.
You pronunce Makedonia as we Macedonians pronunce! Good job!
More Philip!! Not much on TH-cam that I could find would be awesome if it came from you guys!!! :)
I was reluctant to watch ANOTHER video on this battle. But this was an exquisite one and a pleasure to watch. Thanks! :)
Thank you for watching.
Fantastic job. Extremely well explained. Thanks.
An incredibly detailed video, thank you! and another thank you for pronouncing Macedonia as it sounded back then - Makedonia
Thank you for watching. Yeah, I tried pronouncing Makedonia as the Greeks would, though I don't speak a word of Greek lol. Hopefully it was OK.
It still sounds "Makedonia" for Greeks, except for people who fall for slavic propaganda, cause Slavs call it Macedonia, allthought Slavs wouldn´t exist yet back then, and for another 1300 years... My mother (greek) was stunned in 1967, during a trip in Germany, where she found out, that Slavic propaganda has worked that good, that US-Americans didn´t know that Makedonia was founded by Greeks, but supposedly by Slavs instead, althought the name is more than 1000 years older than the first existing Slavs in human history (those Slavs far-far away in Russia, and not before much later, also arriving near Greece)...
@@klausbrinck2137 we macedonians call our land makedonia not makedhonìa as greek pronunce. Macedonia is in english! Better informe about this!. He pronunce makedonia as we pronunce with normal d and acent on the letter o Makedònia!
@@Makedon9 Makedonia is a Greek word & Greek Region! CRY SLAV 🤡🤣
Already ~40k views on the launch day! I Remember when we were much smaller! Glad to see your great work paying off! Keep it up :)
Thank you sir. This has become a full time thing for me, and to be honest I really enjoy seeing feedback like yours, not least because I work roughly 14-15 hours per day, with maybe 1-2 days off per month, as that is the only way I can do more than one video per month - these take a long time to make.
Brilliant upload, i real enjoyed that, thanks
Amazing video as always! Thank you
The maps on this channel are just brilliant
I've seen arguments with some good links and points in other videos covering this part of Greek history that the sacred band may have been less lovers and more like shield brothers. Something about how someone got the various words for the different types of love that the Greeks used confused. Pretty common still even in this day. Thanks for the vid.
Yep, the "definition" of the Sacred Band is up for debate. In a nutshell, it's either A) an actual small elite unit made up for male lovers (not impossible at all), or B) a unit with mature soldiers training their "favorites" who are young boys. The problem is mostly in translation of certain words from Greek that creates confusion. In all, my personal opinion is that we can't know for sure which of the two Sacred Band was, perhaps even a mix of A and B.
Thebans were sworn enemies of Athenians for centuries. All the sources we have about the sacred band come from athenian sources. It is like germans won the WWII and 2k years after we have only german descriptions of the allies.
Athenians called Boiotia the land of the Thebans , " Land of the cows. This is not a definition just for the cows but for the people themselves" .Meaning all thebans were cows.
This is how much the "liked" Thebans..
@@HistoryMarche No it is not up for debate. There is a concensus among the historians that they were indeed male lovers. The only opposition comes from ultra conservatives whose interpretation of manhood and homosexuality is challenged by it.
@@baldpdeng2035 nope. homosexuality was against the law. to openly say they were lovers would probably not have been a super easy feat. The Athenians calling them lovers would have just been an insult thus the lack of consensus on the matter.
What an amazing work. Thank you so much
GREAT video man I enjoyed that watch very much
I was deffo not expecting Hannibal part 9 😏 but i've never heard of Philipp fighting along his son before he was THE great. Superb vid as always keep up the great work!
Working on part 9 right now :)
@@HistoryMarche its all good i just thought it was after Munda. But hey i'll take any vid these are quality especially ones that you haven't heard of either just the details or at all.
Great video,hope you will continue Hanniball series as well.Probably the best content one could watch in quarantine.
Working on Hannibal part 9 right now.
@@HistoryMarche Awesome,cant wait.Keep up the good work.Greetings from Croatia.
Really liked the production quality in this video.
I've been a CuriosityStream subscriber for almost 6 yrs now & completely agree w you on how excellent the programming they provide is!!!! I can't think of anything I've watched on CS that I didn't enjoy & learn from-- much like how wonderful the programs YOU share w all us lucky history dorks out here in the world!!!! Thank you for ALL yr amazing work!!!❤
If.... The Spartans were the masters at 1 liners.
All this work and now a clueless Turk is messing around in that Anatolia today :)))
@@AP-qs2gx It has seen worst days.
They're called Laconisms, a name given by the region around Sparta :)
If Spartans were at Cheronea they'll be destroyed. Remember they were already defeated by Thebes at Leuttra
Mar Bet. If.
This might be the start of a new playlist? Great video!
It might be. Nothing concrete yet, but I did want to frame the story to be series-compatible. I first mostly need to focus on other mini-series and Hannibal.
@@HistoryMarche yes hannibal pls
@@HistoryMarche You said it! Indeed Hannibal is the most epic of them all
An arc covering alexander the great, and the diadochi? *that* would be a hell of a ride, bois!
@@adilsoncaetano5684 this manga is discontinued sadly :(
I asked for this battle a while back, thank you!!!
🙏🏻
Cheers.
Another great video, thanks for you's hard work.
God you guys make history so engaging. Almost like a game. I wish my history classes were like this. I would have loved history way more earlier. You did several series about the Romans and the different time periods they went through and their reforms... Man were they awesome... I would have never fully understood why they were so great.
Oh, and thanks for teaching me our history as it should have been in schools, at least partially. Romanian schools still teaches us the fantasy history of the communist agenda still...
Maybe you can make a series about the Roman-Dacian wars some day. :)
Thanks you historymarche
I hope it becomes a series, and we will see more videos about Philips wars in Grees. Thank you!
Gio D I know right greeks fighting Greeks is very cool like the many Greek empires where created after the destruction of Macedonia empire
I like the details of this video with the maps and troop numbers, very cool.
"The king's faith in his son paid off" this one got me !
Good documentary, but the title is misleading, it is a Thebean-Athenian coalition and not a greek of better said Panhellenic, the Aetolians, Epirotans and Spartans didn't take part in this war
. Also Demosthenes didn't hate Philip for the reason of him being a Macedonian rather the real reason is that he took pretty much every city in the north that belonged in the second Delian league
Astute observations. Demosthenes characterized Philip to further his own end, which was to persuade the Athenians and ultimately all the Greeks of the danger Phillips autocracy posed to their autonomous way of life. After Philip came to power he subjugated city after city, and Demosthenes could tell that he posed a threat not just for the states in his vicinity but to the whole of Greece and to the civic way of life the Greeks valued so much. A life without liberty was a life not worth living in the view of citizens of the poleis. That was also Demosthenes' own very noble view. It's difficult not to sympathize with him. Alas the Greek cities thought it was going to be a nominal kind of hegemony and disregarded Demosthenes' sound advise. We can understand that as well. The Greek cities weren't about to be drawn into a costly war when Philip had not yet shown any clear sign that he intended to subjugate Greece. And so Chaeronea happened. The philippics don't represent Philip himself but rather the urgency felt by Demosthenes to defend against him and the perceived level of threat posed by indecisive foreign policy on the part of Athens.
@@othmanaljid9076 how so? Even today there are those who consider us, Aetolians, as barbarians, half joking of course yet at the ancient times every city state considers themselves as the true Greeks heirs to the Mycheneans and Pelasgians and the rest of the Greek tribes as barely Greek or barbarians. The Athenean-Ionians thought that every Dorian (Spartan, Macedonian, Aetolian, Argian, Thesallian...) were barbarians. The Acheans (true heirs of Myceaneans) were also barbarians for the Atheneans and they did that just to claim hegemony over whole Hellas... how am i biased? I'm pretty sure that you need to do a little research before you criticize an other as biased...
@@RagingBlast2Fan well Demosthenes just wanted that Athens claimed hegemony over Hellas just as every city state at that time. Phillip was a danger sure, for the Delian League as they in turn build aggressive cities on the shores of Macedonia in order to claim the timber and gold that Macedonia had. Also ''Autonomus way of life'' or eleutheria was something that every citizen had even those who lived at kingdoms such as Epirus, Laconia (Sparta) Argos, Thessaly, Aetolia, Macedonia. The freedom always was a part that everyone is equal in the eyes of law. The Athenians just took that a step further and when they held the hegemony at the end of the Persian wars they turned the Delian League into Athenian Hegemony thus sparking the Peloponisian war. Also, when they liberated themselves, with the help of Thebes, they, once again, tried to create the second Delian League, which tried to become again an Athenian Hegemony thus sparking again the Social war!!!! I am a Greek and I too believe that Eleftheria (freedom) and autonomy a is sacred, but the Athenians didn't hold their end of the bargain in that regard, Sparta is guilty too for that matter. Also ''Greek cities'' isn't really the term that I will use. We are in the era of coalition or leagues. Arcadian league (Argos Messene and the rest of central Peloponnese) Boeotian League (Thebes and Aeolians), Delian League (Athens and the Ionian city-states), Chalcidian League etc. Also, you regard Demosthenes as pure idealist, and to be fair it's true BUT, again, he was an Athenian patriot. He could care less about the freedom of Aetolia (Naphpactos=Athenian aggressive settlement in Aetolia) or Macedonia (Neapolis, Pydna, Methone=Athenian aggressive settlements in Macedonia) or even of Chalcidian League's (Potidea=Athenian aggressive settlement in Chalcis). see that's the reason that only the Boeotian and Delian League fought in this battle as the rest just accept Macedonia Hegemony during the end of the third sacred war and after the punishment that Phocian League received.
@@othmanaljid9076 I am greek too and i am surprised that you call him biased. You really need to check that era. Just a friendly advice
@@demetres6113 +1. Ακόμα και τώρα, χαχαχα! Οι αθηναίοι σ όλη την ιστορία τους, φαφλατάδες και φλώροι. Χωρίς την "επαρχία", θα ήταν ζητιάνοι.
superb work, cheers. enjoyed this, so cool.
Thank you for a clear and entertaining history lesson
Saw Alexander out in front of the army My heart was beating very hard.
11:33 Alexander: the great damn it!
Philip II: not yet son not yet
Hehe, that little "think bubble" is aiming to show the ego of the man. "Just Alexander?! I'm Alexander the Great!"
@@HistoryMarche great point 😂💥💖
@@HistoryMarche More like the ''ego'' of destiny.Without Filippos there is no Alexandros and without Alexandros there is no Hellas(Greece) united for the first time as it is today.And without that there is no Europe and without Europe there is no Christianity and without Christianity there is no Greek(Eastern Roman-Byzantine)Empire and without that there is no Europe and without that there is no Renaissance and without that there is no me and you and everything you see today.Alexandros was one of many man(possibly the most important) before and after him that contributed to what we see and will humanity see long after we are dead in the future until the ''job is done''(whatever that may mean, i have no idea).
Yes, never.
How wholesome Filip being such a good father taking his to to work so he can spend time with him
Too nice historic video with clear explaining of new advanced weapons of armies and intelligence thanks
You guys are best, excellent work! Also, just wondering, is Alexander Doddy still on the team? Missed him in the end of the Mihai series.
I have to say that is one of the most complex battle plans I have ever seen. Even in WW2 that would have been hard to pull of
This channel is great. This narrators voice plus the graphics. Love it
Too nice history video with clearly explaining of battles situation and leaders arrangement of fighting facts beneath their hands
I like how you threw that “IF” in there that was cool
Hehe. Nothing like Spartan panache
Alexander's mother was from the kingdom of Epirus and his father's bloodline from Argos. All Greek names as well as Alexander's generals. They used a Greek dialect cause they WERE Greek. As all the Greek city states.
I needed more Alex the Great videos. I feel like I’ve seen most of it. Thanks! 😊
Have you seen balkan and illyrian campaign?
@@innosanto link please?
Thanks for filling our quarantine with such high quality entertainment!!
People: OMG CAN YOU JUST FIGHT
Philip II: *L O N G S T I C K*
HAHA
Perfect video.
Love for Greece.
:)
Hello from makedonia ✌️
@@stefansovreski8301 Which means from Greece 🇬🇷😉
@@stefansovreski8301 Macedonia is Pella and Vergina. Skopje is your homeland
Great job, as always!
I am so glad I found this channel... keep up the good work
Thank you very much. Welcome to the channel.
The detail in the animation is incredible. The quality of the entire content of this video is simply amazing.
This is one of first battles I tried hard to imagine from reading.
Was Luectra done already?😋
this map makes me wanna play total war or eu4
That's always a good idea if you ask me.
@@IinferusS Imperator was bad (unfinished) when it came out, but nowadays it's getting better and better. And if you play it with some of the good mods, it's even better.
And Paradox announced Crusader Kings 3!
Or, Imperator: Rome
Great detail! Love the graphics and maps!
Thanks for the visit
What an amazing video
Well done man
Glad you liked it