The Character Action genre is the best genre
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I missed the last minute of info because I was just vibing to Devil Trigger, sorry.
It’s my favorite song I can’t help myself.
@@randomfurryidiot9568 lmao don't blame you one bit!
I wonder if kindom hearts 2 and zone of the ender 2 count as "character action games"
Idk the other one but Kingdom Hearts is an action RPG. It's very similar to character action but not quite the same. The nier games are in that same realm as well.
@@uboa8060 kh1 is an arpg, kh2 is absolutely a character action
You forgot Kingdom Hearts and Ninja Gaiden and the honorable mention of Bayonetta
yeah i was waiting for bayonetta where it is the one who has the greatest similarity to dmc
Kingdom Hearts isn’t character action…yet
@@notproductiveproductions3504 how isn’t it?
@@marathomas4807 for the most part the series doesn’t do enough to nudge the players away from button mashing. Doesn’t help that the combos are pre choreographed
@@notproductiveproductions3504 critical mode does
i was one of those guys who called it hack and slash, so kick me in the balls, ha, LIKE YOU CAN.
*switches to Royal Guard*
ill give you that one that was funny
@@Princemouse9 i remember feeling the same way you did in a bit of a different way, i didn't like how games like diablo and games like Kingdom Hearts could both be classified as action RPGs and as hack and slash, and opted to call those games hack and loots because of how different they felt to play. shame it never caught on, and i say this as someone who has enjoyed both genres
Sayng Subhuman isn't good has to be one of the shitiest takes I have heard this week
but its kinda a subpar compared to bury the light and devil trigger tho
@@e1kosayutub izs no "subpar" you just like the other 2 more
@@mrpotoo3772 okay then dont cry
@@e1kosayutub you silly idiot don't you know that the Devil May Cry?
@@e1kosayutub you silly goofball don't you know that even a Devil May Cry?
Nothing is funnier than Vergil in a damn lawn chair
Hi Fi Rush is soooo good. I’m only 8 hours in and my rhythm still sucks but I really like the concept, art style, everything about it. DMC 5 not allowing you to choose which character to replay the mission with and not having multiple save files is a crime against humanity 😭
The drip! The chair!
AAAAAAAA too good
The genre is like an evolution of previous attempts at action genres. It's the perfect foundation for over the top media in games. Makes you wish anime took advantage of it more, as well as western developers.
@@Gavengelica fr tho, couldn't have said it better myself
it's kinda crazy how western devs have barely even tried the genre.
The best character action game by a Western company is easily DmC Reboot... a spin off of a Japanese franchise.
And God of War, the one other contender decided to move away from the genre.
C'mon we can't just rely on the Japanese forever, do something.
just one thing tho, god of war in not a character action game anymore. it's just an openworld story-rich game filled with sweet baby inc all over the place for modern audience.
story-rich is agreed on I think, but I'm still of the belief that the new GOWs are still character action games, just with an emphasis on other things now like its story direction and RPG mechanics. they may not play like OG GOWs but most of the genre conventions are still there I feel
RAGNARÖK wasn't as good as 2018 or the old games yes but compared to other sweet baby Inc projects it didn't get hit as hard it should have been better yes and should have been 3 parts yes but it is still a good game
@@69Nameless69 yeah that's true but also cause at that time sbi didn't have as much influence. But I'm sure if they're not dealt with by the time the next one comes. You gow fans will be really pissed with the result. I mean these mfs are literally extorting devs into it. Just wish for the best
@@Princemouse9 idk man. I wouldn't call it rpg really. The rpg elements are like stealth in ac Valhalla. Would be a nice diacussiom for a debate tho lol
It's more of an glorify interactive movie now.
I expected a LOT more subs than this, nice stuff!
@@Golvas thanks!
I cant tell if they are dressed as Castlevania or fable characters
@@personintrest6781 the costume mods are from the mobile game for dmc, wanted somthing diffrent looking without being distracting for the vid lol
@@Princemouse9 I'm m mean style is supjective
i don't like dmc 5 's level design... half of it boring... it'sn a stomach inside of a monster hellscape clichè and all levels are too open space for Dante's moveset...
DMC 1 and 3 had claustrophobic enviroments to make you fight multiple enemies while juggling having little space to manuver against multiple enemies the only open spaces were the boss rooms and where you encountered some special enemies once in a while... the open space stuff in 4 was meant for Nero witch has the moveset to grapple anemies at a distance.
also NO INERTIA...
still: best game of that year maybe the decade for me...
but i don't like cavaliere... it's too slow
subhuman hate will NOT be tolerated.
good video tho, especially for someone with 150 subs
@@shoshosan thank you, and just for thr record it's just not for me
@@Princemouse9 you're welcome dude !
I'm too hyped for Enenra. Look it up.
*Hack and Slash
Please leave
@@notproductiveproductions3504 why?
@@Lex_Nocturna cuz that joke got you boo’d off stage
@@notproductiveproductions3504 but I kept rhyming and stepped right in the next cypher.
Hack and slash is way to broad. The original Legacy of Kain is also hack and slash but you wouldnt call DMC and LOK the same type of game
That devil sword dante looked really good in the cutscene. What mod is that
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This is a GREAT video for a channel og this size. The voice work and editing are very good. Seriously keep it up.
Bayonetta is my personal favorite for character action games. I can't get over the witch time mechanic
@@alexsanimeart5706 nice! I really need to get around to playing them lol
@@Princemouse9 It's a must-play in my opinion. During development for Bayonetta DMC was one of its major inspirations so you would probably like it
How dare you not call out the grandaddy of the genre ninja gaiden. Ninja gaiden 2 is the only other action game that could match or surpass dmc5
The issue with "Character action" and the definition as presented is that it's so vague. Even with the definition given it can describe basically any game. It's unironically more vague than "action/adventure." What does it imply? "It has characters... And action... And combos."
Hack and slash actually works fine nowadays, in part because the genre that gave the impression of it being mindless, musou games, are now recognized as their own subgenre of a greater "hack and slash" genre (which is IMO a subgenre of beat em up that is more specifically for weapon-based 3D combat). If the focus is just "it has characters, combat and combos" then that still doesn't differentiate the genre from musous when the main reason you don't like "hack and slash" is because people associate it with musous. And the emphasis people place on combos over the mechanical depth that defines the genre is partially why a lot of people think the genre is just about the style rather than the substance.
The core of the genre as I would describe it is that they are action games where the player has many options and uses a very powerful character, but with a high difficulty level and a high skill ceiling that aims to push a player to a level of mastery typically (i.e. not mandatory) via a ranking system.
Oftentimes the level of mastery to achieve the maximum ranking is not asked of the player for a basic clear, the ranking is an intrinsic motivation. In service of a ranking system, the games are usually stage-based so that performance can be ranked regularly and tracked by the game and the player, and also often so that stages can be easily replayed for the max ranking - however, the method of which a specific game chooses to layout its stages is not a hard rule as many games in the genre either lack a stage select or some do not have clear markers between stages. Additionally, games often will lock most of the higher difficulty options behind clearing the game a number of times so that players can comfortably get used to the mechanics before their mastery is truly tested.
They are games that capitalize on modern technology and the complexity of newer games but that maintain simplicity via a focus on replay value and score tracking akin to arcade games. There usually is a form of progression but only typically in the extent of giving the player either more moves of roughly equivalent power, more easy access to certain moves such as via things like larger super meters, or a larger health bar, there is not a traditional "stat-based" progression. Usually a player will have most, if not all, of a character's moveset available at any given time, but some might require going into a pause menu to swap moves or equipment.
To boil it down to bullet points:
* Powerful playable character with a high skill ceiling and lots of freedom in a player's actions
* High difficulty to push the player into reaching said skill ceiling
* Some form of scoring system and stage-based gameplay loop (not present in every game in the genre, just most)
* Minimal stat-based progression, most progression is done via expanding the move set with more options
* High emphasis on replay value similar to arcade games
There's more nuance to be had within the definition but these five points are probably the core. This definition works for basically every game that people put in the genre and successfully removes the ones that are obviously not part of the genre. From the obvious ones like Devil May Cry and Bayonetta to the games that break some of the conventions like God Hand and Nier Automata all the way to games of entirely different "core" genre such as Ultrakill and Vanquish.
@@Zetact_ okay so here's the thing, these are all really good points and factually speaking you are right on every front. I honestly can't find it in me to tell you "no" on any point you made. The only reason I say charecter action is a superior name for the genere is because I like how it rings better than hack and slash, but truthfully speaking that's just a personal bias thing, I'm probably the only person that dislikes the name hack and slash as much as I do, but again, you're not wrong for using it, and you've made a good case for it being more correct actually. That being said I still don't like it, if that sounds childish that's because I am, in fact, being a child about this. There's a large part of me that says you can use both terms in conversation and people will know what you're talking about anyways, I'd hope.
I do have to say though, thank you for being respectful and making a good case without just calling me stupid or something, I see that way too often and it's those comments I don't give the time of day cause I dont feel like explaining myself to who is probably a brick wall of a human being. And you my friend deserve at least a kudos for making good points respectfully. So again thank you.
@@Princemouse9 Well I tend to use "stylish action" as the default, although of course that doesn't necessarily discount some games like musous from the genre (which is fine, some musou games are also stylish action). While there are action games that are stylish but aren't "stylish action" the point of labeling it "stylish action" IMO is the implication that the pursuit of "style" is the mechanical drive of the game - i.e. unlike a game with stylish animations, it being the genre says you need to earn your style.
The difference in what I think is implied by calling it "stylish action" specifically is that it cares about "how" you play the game rather than just being good enough to clear the game like most action games.
For instance if you're fighting a boss in a regular action game and you get smacked around a lot, throwing back a dozen healing items and playing slowly and safely just to make it through, the game just says, "You beat the boss, good job" and it's end of story but in a stylish action game the emphasis on being stylish has the game say, "Well that wasn't very stylish of you, and we're going to display a low rank on the screen to emphasize that you can and should do better."
Hack and slash mainly doesn't fully work as a tag for the genre IMO because not every game in the genre has hacking or slashing (such as a protagonist who is a fistfighter or a shooter) and there are even games that aren't necessarily even combat-focused that are in the genre - a lot of platformers can be played as stylish action.
If you can’t figure out what “combo mad” means after YouTubing it, there’s no hope for you
Also, you can’t call UltraKill “hack n slash” for obvious reasons
What’s the point of really high skill ceiling combat when barely anyone who buys the game interacts with it? This is coming from someone who has 400 hours on dmc5 and loves the game and considers the gameplay to be the greatest of all time in any single player action game, it does nothing to motivate players to get better.
Me and my friends talk about ways to improve the games we love, we’ve always harped on dmc5 having a low player count and how being good at it or mastering it is niche, there should be motivation to get better at the game other than simply “the combat is good and that’s the motivation” that’s clearly not enough for the overwhelming majority according to the player count.
Why does the game have no good rewards for completing the harder difficulties? the Yamato for Dante after beating DMD would be a great motivation to replay the game, and there’s also the obvious cosmetics the game could’ve added similar to dmc3, like why is there no unlockable dmc1 Dante outfit or dmc4 Nero outfit.
The game should also have had a must style mode where you only do damage at SSS rank.
Multiplayer would’ve also been a great way to add replay value and motivation to get better at the game.
All the things I’ve mentioned have been added through mods of course, but they’re such easy and obvious additions to add that I feel it should’ve been in the base game.
Great video but please try an ex-act with Nero once in a while
yeah sorry im really rusty ngl lol
@@Princemouse9 that’s okay
I agree at 6:50. I hear so many people say its good, and its not. W oponion honestly.
Also if you want dmc 5 but the hype is turned up to 14, play metal gear rising revengeance(the game made up that term) its like dmc if you wanna get sweaty but the combat flows very well into eachother so you can have normal fun. It has a few techs and the dlc's are hella fun, and free
Ah damn I ment to mention revengence too. It helps that metal gear storys are always good as well
Thank god I’m not the only one who thinks subhuman is bad
What is wrong with Subhuman?
@@slimnull8840 eh I just don't like it, it's a personal taste thing and imo I don't think it fits dante very well
It was made for the other Dante
Nothing imo
I find it hilarious when they call them “hack n slash” and don’t even realize UltraKill has the same play style and scoring system as DMC
also go play ultra age, its got some interesting combo mechanics and some unique weapons
Character action games are so damn good. Not my favourite genre (that position belongs to fighting games) but they definitely scratch the combo itch just as well. Now if only more action games coming out would go down that character action path instead of going to down the Soulslike path.
I really like your description for character action and I actually agree that hack 'n' slash is a misnomer for the genre. I have never really understood why it's applied retroactively to a game like DMC (because we never really used that term back in the day), even though it does fit a bit more for the GoW series as those are a bit more button-mashy. Basically, any game where the character, and by extension the player, creates the combat dynamic through personal expression is a character action game.
Usually the characters themselves are over the top with style as well. Dante and DMC definitely started it but we do have to give some credit to Bayo and NG, too. We need to move away from the ARPG formula back to true action.
@@FirstPlace97 hey thanks! I spent longer on that definition than I'd like to admit lol, and thinking about it too I do think it would be better if devs focused more on the solid simplicity of thier mechanics, if that makes any sense. Depth through player experimentation and such
@@Princemouse9 Yeah character action really is the best for those reasons. They are easy to get into and stay engaged with.
Okay, first? This is a really solid video, what the heck. Why are you sub 100 subs?
Second, I have a question that might get me flack... Um. Would you count games like Kingdom Hearts or Ratchet and Clank in this? Ratchet and Clank is a helluva reach, but if you get into the game and choose the higher difficulties, there are some very fun things to do with gun combos. KH is... well, KH2 onwards is kind of all about gradually unlocking more of what your character can do and making crazier combos.
My issue is that they're nowhere near as technical as DMC can get, let alone Nier: Automata. And presumably Bayonetta? Was surprised when you didn't mention this.
Okay so I read this message earlier this morning and after giving it some thought I think I have a couple of ideas, so I'll just throw it out there that whenever I was first thinking of making this video, I had humored the thought that by all technicalities Kingdom Hearts does count but it does that genre mixing thing so I guess it would be more accurate to call it a character action RPG and I came to that conclusion by rationalizing the same points you made.
Now whenever it comes to Ratchet & Clank I'm a lot less sure on, at the Baseline RC is a platformer series with an emphasis on combat, but I don't know if the combat specifically lends its way into the character action genre even considering deadlocked (which is super underrated imo) I just don't the gameplay fits that description exactly
Also with regarding Bayonetta I haven't actually played that series yet, but I have been meaning to, I just didn't want to try and explain a game I haven't played yet lol
@@Princemouse9 Yo, I LOVE Deadlocked. Glad to meet another fan- yeah, it's a very different game, but I will never not love that game. So, SO many hours in that one. However, I also wasn't very set on it being included in the Character Action genre, I was merely wondering if anyone else got that vibe too- so thank you for humoring me.
As for Kingdom Hearts, Character Action RPG is... downright perfect, yeah. I'm glad that I commented, I honestly thought you'd think me crazy. XD
Damn this a good ass video he spittin
played the va proxy demo for like 30 hours, its too good
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Lemme get back to you on that
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style switch text effects long www.nexusmods.com/devilmaycry5/mods/509
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@@Princemouse9 dayum mf thorough asf preciate it
Great video. I love both of those series as well and of course most of Platinum games catalog
Awesome vid bro🔥
I don't want to say it's the "best genre" as much as I love it. I don't want to think that way about entire genres of things. But it is certainly heartening to see love for it and for (new) fans to come in and find love and interest. Hope that this video can help with that.
(edit: i wrote this bit before your clarification of "in my opinion" )
For new games in the genre, have you put your eyes to the likes of Soulstice, Enenra and Genokids?
those are all new to me, ill have to check them out thanks!
edit: i have now taken a look at all of them and plan to play them one day, thanks again!
@@Princemouse9 Sorry for the late reply. I'm glad you checked them out and that they have gotten your interest! Wish you good luck and fun with future undertakings.
Preach.
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But like, there is like, 2 good games in this genre......