I see you have many educational videos on hoof care. Do you have any videos specifically about the drawbacks of shoes? I'd love to hear more of your thoughts.
I don't think I have yet in the public videos.. I just have never been interested in the mass of angry people that will show up... Anyways, here are a few points that may help, starting with the easiest: 1. Trim schedule is terrible. It has to be as you can't keep putting holes in hooves and expect anything to stick. As such, horses are forced (literally) to wait 6 to 8 weeks for enough hoof wall to grow down to make more holes in the hooves for a piece of metal to stick on. 2. Inertia of the shoe causes serious issues in the ligaments, tendons and in turn the bones of the hoof. Imagine the reason your shoe laces come untied is because of inertia. Shoelaces go through something silly like 4 g's of force, imagine what that heavy shoe is doing. 3. Trimming style for shoes is destructive. Most trims land a horse straight on sensitive sole as it gets trimmed away to prepare for a shoe and also for 2 months of no trimming. This is incredibly unhealthy for a hoof. Bars grow way too long and frogs don't get to touch the ground as the shoe holds all of it off the ground. Nails and toe clips destroy hoof wall, white line and many times the nails reach all the way in the hoof, incredibly painful and destructive to the hoof. This can take months to years to heal, if ever it does. Think of how long it takes you to grow out a splinter that went in your nail or a hammer hitting the outside of your nail. Shod horses go through that at least every 2 months of their life. 4. Peripheral loading of the hoof is destructive to the rest of the hoof. The hoof wall and sole isn't held on by anything other than biological velcro called laminae. This gets severely stressed by loading only the outside of the hoof. Many horses have severe flaring due to this 5. The frequency at which a shoe rings out when it hits hard ground is akin to the effects of hitting a ball with an aluminum baseball bat. Each steps hurts because of it. Over time this destroys tissues and blood vessels. This is why a shod horse will have a stone cold hoof and leg compared to a barefoot one. This is incredibly destructive to the healing powers of the hoof which it now REALLY needs. I don't even went to get into the caustic burning of hoof walls, sole and frog when farriers "imprint" the metal on the hoof to "get the right shape". So destructive..... I could go on and on... but those are the main ones.
@@StableHorseTraining You're the first person I've heard speaking out against horseshoes so I suspected it might be a sensitive topic. I only started my equestrian journey two years ago and I've had some concerns about horse shoes that I haven't voiced to anyone yet. I really respect your opinion on horse matters, thank you for writing such a long informative reply.
@quetzal2268 you're welcome. There are thousands of people against horseshoes, it depends on the part of the internet you're watching I guess. There is so much science out there for a good 20 years now proving how harmful they are. The crowd is growing everyday.
Gracie is not welcome. I can see attitude of the 3. That's why she enjoys Lena. Gracie is trying. Ya know. Gracie so desperately wants to fit in. They don't want her. She's too high spirited for them As I see it.
A gentle and kind farrier is worth their weight in gold. Love watching Joka when she is in, I find her ability to know when to intercede and when not to, absolutely amazing.
Cow kick? I think she's trying to start a conga line! That was a gorgeous 40 minutes!! More vids like this please. Just the horses messing around... Delightful!!
As a complete ignorant regarding horses and their behaviour I love these kinds of videos. These are 101 horsey behaviour lessons with the best teacher, although I must confess that I sometimes get lost as I am not able to see their subtleties.
Such an educational video. I love their unique personalities and their interactions. As you said, a wealth of knowledge, a living library 🤓. Jóka is a fantastic matriarch, teacher and an adorable lovebug. So much to learn from her. And as you said intent is key. When you first told Jóka it was enough, she just went away but then when you had Momo and her asking for scratches they knew you were not that firm and you were laughing. They knew they could push a bit more😂😂That alone is amazing to see. BTW, it was crystal clear your explanation about why NOT to shod horses🤓. Cheers 🇺🇾
Great video. So much talking from Joka especially,very assertive in her communication. That was really special to see Mocha with Luke and hopefully it’s the start of a good friendship 😊
My little Yorkie would "come close" when I called her but she was not reachable. Puppy kindergarten taught ME to say "right here" and point to the spot close to me and then give her a treat. Of course, treats ended but the concept of being within reach was accomplished. I'm learning just how communication really works with animals.
I just love Joka, I'd spend a day just brushing petting scratching her lol. Squirrel 🐿️! Annie doing great getting bigger. Mocha so cute when she walks with you,following. Gracie was SO close a few times to *almost roll all the way over* like just a inch or 2 more! I was cheering her on hoping she'd get it 😂. I did see the clip where she did it a long time ago, fingers crossed she'll do it again one day. Great to see the girls in the arena hanging out,the kicks here & there always seem to mean something but never connect really. That's gotta be purposeful to not make contact. Thanks for the great fun video today!
Awesome video watching little horse behaviours :) Am I the last one to notice that Joka has a "J" on her face? Thank you Graeme, for sharing your lovely horses with us, yet again :)
I got cow cicked by a wild Mustang. It was totally my fault, I ignored every warning she gave me. My vet was coming to do the Coggins test and vaccinations. I had 2 chutes for the Mistangs because they were really wild and animal control was pushing me to get current Coggins tests done on the horses even though it was a livestock rule through the agriculture division. The Florida law was that if you were not taking the horse off your property and it had a negative result, you didn't need the annual test. I worked for the state, so I had my cousin build 2 chutes for safely getting medical care. The one Mustang was terrified of going into the chute and I put too much pressure on her and she cow kicked through 3 corral panels and hit me square in the knee. You can still see part of her hoof print on the side of my knee. I was standing by her shoulder, i thought I was safe. It didn't do any permanent damage to my knee, but it did give me a 6 week vacation a couple of months before my mother died.
@@StableHorseTraining Oh, it did. I grabbed ahold of the corral panels to keep from falling into the chute where the other wild Mustang was penned and let myself down. My son wa hollering Mom are you okay, but I couldn't answer because if I opened my mouth I would have screamed right beside the horse and that would have spooked her. It wasn't the horse's fault. My knee swelled up like a football and I have stretch marks on my knee that and my ankle was sprained pretty bad. I had MRI's with and without contrast. There was no permanent damage. I did get 6 weeks off work, I didn't need any surgery and my knee doesn't bother me at all. The doctor told me it was a miracle.
Joka seemed to want to protect you. It was as if she was telling Mocha to not kick you. Joca really seems to want to teach the little girls some manners. What a Gem Joka is, and a great teacher.
Oho Annie trying to tell Joka what to do 😂 Joka soon sorted that out , she knows exactly what she’s about, them young ens need to listen to Joka she knows best, oh wow Gracie is a picture on the move , the acceleration! You can almost feel the g force 😂, totally agree she could do with more friends, open her world up a little more and learn from different horses , Joka is such a good matriarch
Hello again! I hope the danger of wildfires is no longer in your area. What I wanted to ask you was about Joka (I hope I've spelled it right) doesn't she drop the winter coat? Because I can see the other mares have really short hair and she has quite a fur. Thanks for the videos and congratulations for the great job both with horses and with sharing the whole experience!
Yes, the fire risk is much lower now but we're still waiting for a really good rain to fill the ground back up. As for Joka, she's putting it back on as the days are getting shorter. If you look back in the videos you'll see she she'd out just fine over the spring to summer.
I always enjoy your interactions with all of them. It is such fun. I feel like I know so much more after years of watching you and reading horse behavior. I know it isn’t true .. but it does feel that way. Too bad I don’t have a way to put it to use. Gracie is your special needs girl .. she wants your attention because no one else knows her the way you do. Maybe Lena😂❤❤❤❤❤
Me too I think of all the times that I almost got kicked in the head by a huge horse called Tamachi Silver Bell...she was like a Clydesdale... I was brushing her tail and then she just kicked and I got out of the way...some how....🤢
@@StableHorseTraining of course there are some kinds of warning signs in the horse's attitude whether he is going to kick but can it also be without any sign, suddenly, if a botfly bites him for example of just because he wants to kick or something bothers him? I wonder. I've always avoided butts, being out of the way on the hindquarters sides for handling feet or tail cleaning..
@@StableHorseTraining Or in the case of Flicka, an irritable Appaloosa mare, she just reached out of her stall and bit my upper arm (I was sitting on a bale of hay with my back turned). I cried for 45 minutes. I always suspected she'd had abusive previous owners. I was only visiting my mother's stable so really had no time to work with her.
Curiosity question… seems like the wait for a new video is getting longer… is that because I’m not a paying member? (I would love to be but my budget for memberships is “If it’s not free then I cannot see” … Long time viewer addicted to your channel!
Thank you for being here :) Much appreciated. Yes, that's correct. I've tried to make it incredibly affordable for anybody that wants to help support the horses here at a dollar a month (or more if people choose) for ad free videos and lots of extras, but I can understand how the value just isn't there for the majority of people here as they have better things to spend money. I'm totally ok with that. There are over 2000 videos on this channel that are totally free, lots to watch!
I think what would concern me about Mocha's kicks is how close she was to me. She's not respecting--or more honestly even aware of--your space when she kicks ou like that. I think Joka was teaching that lesson early in the video when she interrupted Annie and Mocha's co-grooming session, briefly co-groomed with Mocha, then let them resume.
Horses' hind quarters and hind legs really are their lethal weapons, aren't they? But I think you've got it right with cutting the baby a little slack. As a parent yourself, you'll know that youngsters really HAVE to release energy - it hurts not to! It breaks my heart to see small children confined for long periods of time to their prams - and then the parents wonder why the little ones get miserable! And you're aware of the danger to yourself, as regards Mocha's high spirits, and that's the main thing.
Do you think one of your horses could kick you by accident? I would like to think that they would be very aware of where those kicks fly. Or could they think you are leader of the herd that’s a really weird looking horse and a kick to you would be no different than giving one to another horse. I would like to think that they are much smarter than that. I don’t know but I find them fascinating and so adorable.
I think they could for sure, but I've found they are very accurate with their kicks and you would only be kicked if you moved in a way they didn't expect or predict.
@@StableHorseTraining I guess it would be a big gamble on whether or not you can trust your horse 100%. Pardon my ignorance of horses. I’m learning something new every time I watch.
I think Gracie might be the only horse I worry about, but mainly because she kicks her tail and she might do it automatically, otherwise I almost never think about it to be honest. It just doesn't occur to them to kick me unless I instigate it, and I know when I'm doing that.
I guess I never answered but I don't consider myself dominant, I just happen to not be the one they think they can push around, but can still come in and make lots of requests. I don't know what that would be for you, but for the most part I simply set boundaries and follow through, while always being open to requests.
I see you have many educational videos on hoof care. Do you have any videos specifically about the drawbacks of shoes? I'd love to hear more of your thoughts.
I don't think I have yet in the public videos.. I just have never been interested in the mass of angry people that will show up...
Anyways, here are a few points that may help, starting with the easiest:
1. Trim schedule is terrible. It has to be as you can't keep putting holes in hooves and expect anything to stick. As such, horses are forced (literally) to wait 6 to 8 weeks for enough hoof wall to grow down to make more holes in the hooves for a piece of metal to stick on.
2. Inertia of the shoe causes serious issues in the ligaments, tendons and in turn the bones of the hoof. Imagine the reason your shoe laces come untied is because of inertia. Shoelaces go through something silly like 4 g's of force, imagine what that heavy shoe is doing.
3. Trimming style for shoes is destructive. Most trims land a horse straight on sensitive sole as it gets trimmed away to prepare for a shoe and also for 2 months of no trimming. This is incredibly unhealthy for a hoof. Bars grow way too long and frogs don't get to touch the ground as the shoe holds all of it off the ground. Nails and toe clips destroy hoof wall, white line and many times the nails reach all the way in the hoof, incredibly painful and destructive to the hoof. This can take months to years to heal, if ever it does. Think of how long it takes you to grow out a splinter that went in your nail or a hammer hitting the outside of your nail. Shod horses go through that at least every 2 months of their life.
4. Peripheral loading of the hoof is destructive to the rest of the hoof. The hoof wall and sole isn't held on by anything other than biological velcro called laminae. This gets severely stressed by loading only the outside of the hoof. Many horses have severe flaring due to this
5. The frequency at which a shoe rings out when it hits hard ground is akin to the effects of hitting a ball with an aluminum baseball bat. Each steps hurts because of it. Over time this destroys tissues and blood vessels. This is why a shod horse will have a stone cold hoof and leg compared to a barefoot one. This is incredibly destructive to the healing powers of the hoof which it now REALLY needs.
I don't even went to get into the caustic burning of hoof walls, sole and frog when farriers "imprint" the metal on the hoof to "get the right shape". So destructive.....
I could go on and on... but those are the main ones.
@@StableHorseTraining You're the first person I've heard speaking out against horseshoes so I suspected it might be a sensitive topic. I only started my equestrian journey two years ago and I've had some concerns about horse shoes that I haven't voiced to anyone yet. I really respect your opinion on horse matters, thank you for writing such a long informative reply.
@quetzal2268 you're welcome. There are thousands of people against horseshoes, it depends on the part of the internet you're watching I guess. There is so much science out there for a good 20 years now proving how harmful they are. The crowd is growing everyday.
Gracie is not welcome. I can see attitude of the 3. That's why she enjoys Lena. Gracie is trying. Ya know. Gracie so desperately wants to fit in. They don't want her. She's too high spirited for them
As I see it.
@@naomisawyer1555 why did you reply to this comment for your comment? This comment is about hooves :)
A gentle and kind farrier is worth their weight in gold. Love watching Joka when she is in, I find her ability to know when to intercede and when not to, absolutely amazing.
I can listen to you all day. You have a very calming voice. This video was excellent. Up close and personal with the girls. Thank you for doing this.
You are so welcome
Cow kick? I think she's trying to start a conga line!
That was a gorgeous 40 minutes!!
More vids like this please. Just the horses messing around... Delightful!!
There are hundreds on this channel, all for free, check them out!
@@StableHorseTraining I will!! 🙂
This is always my place of peace and beauty. 💖🕊
Absolutely me toooooh ❤
As a complete ignorant regarding horses and their behaviour I love these kinds of videos. These are 101 horsey behaviour lessons with the best teacher, although I must confess that I sometimes get lost as I am not able to see their subtleties.
It takes time for sure, one day it'll come really naturally to see what they are thinking :)
What I see Mocha is still a big baby with so much joy! Off course she is learning „proper“ behavior as she would from mom! ❤😂
Such an educational video. I love their unique personalities and their interactions. As you said, a wealth of knowledge, a living library 🤓. Jóka is a fantastic matriarch, teacher and an adorable lovebug. So much to learn from her. And as you said intent is key. When you first told Jóka it was enough, she just went away but then when you had Momo and her asking for scratches they knew you were not that firm and you were laughing. They knew they could push a bit more😂😂That alone is amazing to see. BTW, it was crystal clear your explanation about why NOT to shod horses🤓. Cheers 🇺🇾
its crazy to see how big annie has gotten!! shes grown up so much
Joka is awesome. All the horses are in their own way.
These four little ladies are so much fun. I enjoyed every minute of it!
This was so lovely and peaceful moment with you. Thank you !🥰
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. So much talking from Joka especially,very assertive in her communication. That was really special to see Mocha with Luke and hopefully it’s the start of a good friendship 😊
Beautiful Gracie. I love it when she runs and she shows off the gracefulness of the Arabian breed in her!
I just love the horsey commentary as the antics unfold ❤!!!
I love this video and how u explain what’s happening. I’m getting back into being around horses n I’d love to understand them more
My little Yorkie would "come close" when I called her but she was not reachable. Puppy kindergarten taught ME to say "right here" and point to the spot close to me and then give her a treat. Of course, treats ended but the concept of being within reach was accomplished. I'm learning just how communication really works with animals.
I just love Joka, I'd spend a day just brushing petting scratching her lol. Squirrel 🐿️! Annie doing great getting bigger. Mocha so cute when she walks with you,following. Gracie was SO close a few times to *almost roll all the way over* like just a inch or 2 more! I was cheering her on hoping she'd get it 😂. I did see the clip where she did it a long time ago, fingers crossed she'll do it again one day. Great to see the girls in the arena hanging out,the kicks here & there always seem to mean something but never connect really. That's gotta be purposeful to not make contact. Thanks for the great fun video today!
My pleasure :)
Nice way to spend the morning. Thank you for sharing
My pleasure :)
Awesome video watching little horse behaviours :) Am I the last one to notice that Joka has a "J" on her face? Thank you Graeme, for sharing your lovely horses with us, yet again :)
Thanks! It's been mentioned a few times :)
Mocha is big, not more that little thing to the begin .
Watching the horses is very beautiful ❤🐎😍.
I got cow cicked by a wild Mustang. It was totally my fault, I ignored every warning she gave me.
My vet was coming to do the Coggins test and vaccinations. I had 2 chutes for the Mistangs because they were really wild and animal control was pushing me to get current Coggins tests done on the horses even though it was a livestock rule through the agriculture division.
The Florida law was that if you were not taking the horse off your property and it had a negative result, you didn't need the annual test.
I worked for the state, so I had my cousin build 2 chutes for safely getting medical care.
The one Mustang was terrified of going into the chute and I put too much pressure on her and she cow kicked through 3 corral panels and hit me square in the knee. You can still see part of her hoof print on the side of my knee. I was standing by her shoulder, i thought I was safe.
It didn't do any permanent damage to my knee, but it did give me a 6 week vacation a couple of months before my mother died.
Ouch.. That must have really hurt. I'm always amazed at how flexible horses can be... Especially when defending themselves
@@StableHorseTraining
Oh, it did. I grabbed ahold of the corral panels to keep from falling into the chute where the other wild Mustang was penned and let myself down. My son wa hollering Mom are you okay, but I couldn't answer because if I opened my mouth I would have screamed right beside the horse and that would have spooked her. It wasn't the horse's fault.
My knee swelled up like a football and I have stretch marks on my knee that and my ankle was sprained pretty bad. I had MRI's with and without contrast. There was no permanent damage. I did get 6 weeks off work, I didn't need any surgery and my knee doesn't bother me at all. The doctor told me it was a miracle.
Joka seemed to want to protect you. It was as if she was telling Mocha to not kick you. Joca really seems to want to teach the little girls some manners. What a Gem Joka is, and a great teacher.
I do love the 3 ladies.thank you for highlighting them.❤
My pleasure!
Thank you for taking us along with you.
My pleasure!
Hello Napkin... my belly hurts! 😂🤣
40 minutes of peacefulness right there thank you for another awesome video :-)
You're very welcome 😊
Thank you for a lovely start to my morning.
You are so welcome!
Oho Annie trying to tell Joka what to do 😂 Joka soon sorted that out , she knows exactly what she’s about, them young ens need to listen to Joka she knows best, oh wow Gracie is a picture on the move , the acceleration! You can almost feel the g force 😂, totally agree she could do with more friends, open her world up a little more and learn from different horses , Joka is such a good matriarch
So appreciative of this full length video. Please keep them coming. Your behavioral comments are so educational.
I love all of your hors
Baby Mocha!! Looking good and I like the ball in the tree 😊
Awesome video love how horses camuacate
Joka is pro. I love her.
Thanks!
Thank you very much once again!!
This was fascinating thankyou Graeme.
you're welcome :)
Fascinating. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think that Gracie doesn't know how to roll over all the way
Hello again! I hope the danger of wildfires is no longer in your area. What I wanted to ask you was about Joka (I hope I've spelled it right) doesn't she drop the winter coat? Because I can see the other mares have really short hair and she has quite a fur. Thanks for the videos and congratulations for the great job both with horses and with sharing the whole experience!
Yes, the fire risk is much lower now but we're still waiting for a really good rain to fill the ground back up. As for Joka, she's putting it back on as the days are getting shorter. If you look back in the videos you'll see she she'd out just fine over the spring to summer.
I always enjoy your interactions with all of them. It is such fun. I feel like I know so much more after years of watching you and reading horse behavior. I know it isn’t true .. but it does feel that way. Too bad I don’t have a way to put it to use. Gracie is your special needs girl .. she wants your attention because no one else knows her the way you do. Maybe Lena😂❤❤❤❤❤
You likely do know a heck of a lot more! One day it might come in handy :)
Cow kicks are out of this world, lol. Been there...😁
But I must say, as an afterthought, those BC Wildies sure are fine horses!
As one who has been kicked, stepped on, and bitten by horses, I keep a respectful distance from their weaponized ends.
Me too I think of all the times that I almost got kicked in the head by a huge horse called Tamachi Silver Bell...she was like a Clydesdale... I was brushing her tail and then she just kicked and I got out of the way...some how....🤢
That's probably a good idea if you can't tell yet when it's coming :) safety is number one!
@@StableHorseTraining of course there are some kinds of warning signs in the horse's attitude whether he is going to kick but can it also be without any sign, suddenly, if a botfly bites him for example of just because he wants to kick or something bothers him? I wonder. I've always avoided butts, being out of the way on the hindquarters sides for handling feet or tail cleaning..
It's super rare Martine, but yes, bugs can produce undesirable actions, but if you're watching then you'll see it coming a long ways away.
@@StableHorseTraining Or in the case of Flicka, an irritable Appaloosa mare, she just reached out of her stall and bit my upper arm (I was sitting on a bale of hay with my back turned). I cried for 45 minutes. I always suspected she'd had abusive previous owners. I was only visiting my mother's stable so really had no time to work with her.
Curiosity question… seems like the wait for a new video is getting longer… is that because I’m not a paying member? (I would love to be but my budget for memberships is “If it’s not free then I cannot see” …
Long time viewer addicted to your channel!
Thank you for being here :) Much appreciated. Yes, that's correct. I've tried to make it incredibly affordable for anybody that wants to help support the horses here at a dollar a month (or more if people choose) for ad free videos and lots of extras, but I can understand how the value just isn't there for the majority of people here as they have better things to spend money. I'm totally ok with that. There are over 2000 videos on this channel that are totally free, lots to watch!
@@StableHorseTrainingI did not realise this ,it is very good value I will look into membership right now.😊
Yoka makes her point.
Cow kick : was it Joka who sometimes did it lightly, if something bothered her?
Yup, all that time!
@@StableHorseTraining 😁
"Dad those girls wo;t play with me....."
Yocha is the peacekeeper.
Just like human students, glad to get recess!
Cutipies ❤😂
I think what would concern me about Mocha's kicks is how close she was to me. She's not respecting--or more honestly even aware of--your space when she kicks ou like that. I think Joka was teaching that lesson early in the video when she interrupted Annie and Mocha's co-grooming session, briefly co-groomed with Mocha, then let them resume.
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Horses' hind quarters and hind legs really are their lethal weapons, aren't they? But I think you've got it right with cutting the baby a little slack. As a parent yourself, you'll know that youngsters really HAVE to release energy - it hurts not to! It breaks my heart to see small children confined for long periods of time to their prams - and then the parents wonder why the little ones get miserable! And you're aware of the danger to yourself, as regards Mocha's high spirits, and that's the main thing.
Do you think one of your horses could kick you by accident? I would like to think that they would be very aware of where those kicks fly. Or could they think you are leader of the herd that’s a really weird looking horse and a kick to you would be no different than giving one to another horse. I would like to think that they are much smarter than that. I don’t know but I find them fascinating and so adorable.
I think they could for sure, but I've found they are very accurate with their kicks and you would only be kicked if you moved in a way they didn't expect or predict.
@@StableHorseTraining I guess it would be a big gamble on whether or not you can trust your horse 100%. Pardon my ignorance of horses. I’m learning something new every time I watch.
I think Gracie might be the only horse I worry about, but mainly because she kicks her tail and she might do it automatically, otherwise I almost never think about it to be honest. It just doesn't occur to them to kick me unless I instigate it, and I know when I'm doing that.
How do you create yourself as the dominant member of the herd? Does it have to do with that they are all separated before turnout?
It has absolutely nothing to do with that. I can't imagine how that would make a difference
I guess I never answered but I don't consider myself dominant, I just happen to not be the one they think they can push around, but can still come in and make lots of requests. I don't know what that would be for you, but for the most part I simply set boundaries and follow through, while always being open to requests.
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Do your horses like bananas
no idea
A little too close to the fence.
As I see it. She wants here best friend. And its not you.. 😊
Curry comb it saves fingernails LOL