I thought this happened a year and a half ago, and that this new law basically became more strict as it has led also to the closure of romanian and Serbian chueches as well.
There was a Romanian parish that had its doors locked just the other day. I'm sorry, but confiscating church properties under the guise of "turning them into state museums", or any other excuse, is in no way justified... No matter what language they conduct their services in
@@russianchristianity you did, multiple times. But you also said multiple times that their moves were "understandable". It makes for a very ambiguous video
@@CA-jz9bm it's so clear now. He claimed to be neutral at one point, I guess he lied and continues to do so. There's nothing wrong with being anti-Russian but to attack Christ is satanic. He must admit it, he is an enemy of God.
@@russianchristianity almost everything you said in this video is a lie, especially the justification for the persecution of the faith. I like the way the way you just lie about almost everything and ask people to separate the weed from the chaff for you so that you could prove how much less they know to justify your faults. The Ukrainian illegitimate government is attacking the 'canonical Ukrainian orthodox church'. I didn't hear you say that, instead you spread lies and in these lies insist that the Church does what Zelensky is asking it to do. And you come here ask us where you are wrong? The Church seeks unity more than anyone, and Zelensky is persecuting it for that. You say church was never involved in politics, Church should be involved in politics. In fact it should be more authoritative than the Nazis that run Zelensky's government. You support Zelensky don't you? That is something you should have admitted not go on about why Zelensky's government is more righteous than the church. Change the name of your channel to Ukrainian propaganda because you haven't spoken like Christian in all your videos, only like one of the goons in Zelensky's false cabinet.
So who's lying here, friend? Where have I ever said that the Church was never involved in politics? Why should I, a non-Ukrainian, support or not support Zelenskii? Where have I ever said that his government is more (or less) righteous than the Church? Second, speaking about lying. Lying is everything that you don't like and don't agree with? You're saying the Zelenskii government is illegitimate? Wasn't he elected? You're saying the Church is persecuted, while totally ignoring everything I said in this video. And so on, and so forth. So, before accusing anyone of lying, get your words straight first
@@russianchristianity I don't find it very nice that you are not allowed to hold that opinion, but I didn't know that about the name. But what is your stance on the raiding of monistaries?
@russianchristianity actually this it the most detrimental to the ukrainains. Many ukrainians who attended these churches have died in the war for ukraine. They want to belong to a canonical church. The orthodox church is a verry old institution. They don't want to trust their souls to a church that is only 6 years old that is also uncanonical.
Thank you for your support. War is always a tragedy, and it naturally creates confrontations and more tragedy. It's understandable that people are agitated
@@russianchristianity Yes, but I fear it still tends to be a ban in the near future. I talk as a one person being concerned about the status of ethnic Romanians in Ukraine.
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
This is utterly untrue Paul of Kiev was arrested and jailed You seem very sympathetic to Antichrist Jew Zelensky Why do you not show video of Zelensky dancing in High Heels with Gays ?
@@russianchristianity Nasty Nasty No one can be beginner for arrogant RussianChristianity website focused on worldly trivialities like fools always are Malicious Spiteful Antichristian
It's simple the Orthodox Church had ties and and somewhat still has ties with Russian intelligence and has been a integral part of the apparatus of the cheka kgb and fsb to inform on decentors.
The Ukrainian authorities have every reason to consider the Moscow Patriarchate as an organisation hostile to the country and to prohibit its activities and the activities of all organisations controlled by it and associated with it on the territory of the country. The public statements and actions of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill alone are more than enough to draw such a conclusion and corresponding prohibitions. The Moscow Patriarchate not only openly supports Russia's military aggression against Ukraine, but also tries to give it a spiritual and ideological justification. Moreover, it is the religious and nationalist views propagated by the Russian Orthodox Church that underlie the ideology of the "Russian world" and the "historical and canonical territories" of the Russian state and the Russian Orthodox Church. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew gave a clear and unambiguous spiritual assessment of this, saying that the Moscow Patriarchate shares responsibility for Russia's war in Ukraine. As for the issues of the canonicity of the UOC and the OCU, the OCU received recognition of independence and autocephaly in 2018 by the Patriarchate of Constantinople, and then by three more of the fourteen regional Orthodox churches. Its recognition by the remaining churches is in the process, so there is no reason to talk about its non-recognition by the other churches. Until now, none of the regional churches, except the ROC, has announced canonical non-recognition of the OCU. Unlike the OCU, none of the local Orthodox churches recognise the independence and autocephaly of the UOC. It is considered canonical only as part of the ROC of the Moscow Patriarchate. Sincerely yours, bishop Vincent Berg.
That's all true. However, I also want to emphasize that when we talk about churches we tend to only consider the Patriarch, some most important bishops, and key public personalities as the Church. The Church is much more than that. The long list of defrocked priests and a huge diversity of opinions among the laymen in the ROC testify to that.
As long as no parish in Ukraine seeks or takes instruction from any person in Russia, and as long as the Patriarch of Moscow's name is not mentioned in the liturgy, there's no objection.
@@russianchristianity Doesn't it also matter to know when the information you recieve is sponsored by the Russian government? it's important to know where ur information coming from. Whether its Russian propaganda, True Orthodox Propaganda, Ukrainian Propaganda, etc.
There are a few underlying premises here as an American that I just can't agree with. The most obvious underlying part is that The Moscow Patriarchate IS the canonical church in Ukraine, there is absolutely 0 reasoning to say anything contradictory to that, and to say otherwise is 100% uncanonical. We don't care what certain Bishops in Greece or what the EP says, because these are the same clergy who are ecumenists and show signs of apostacy. The Church is not an invisible body, we are a VISIBLE CHURCH that has clear hierarchy in jurisdiction. Canonically, Ukraine is 100% under The Moscow Patriarchate, and the false Ukrainian Church (which is ecumenist and tied up with The Papists), is schismatic. Going from this point, it is absolutely unjust for any law whatsoever to target The Moscow Patriarchate in any sense, even if they are supposing that some clergy may be "spies", or connected to Russia. Ukraine is just going to use propaganda and the demonization of The Russian State, in order to condemn innocent and canonical clergy. It is abundantly clear to me that the state of Ukraine IS persecuting The Orthodox Church in Ukraine (The Moscow Patriarchate). They are destroying monasteries, arresting clergy, shutting down Churches (an egregious sin), and disturbing Holy Relics. All of this blasphemy absolutely cannot be justified by any form of political means. Especially because the political justification itself is heavily flawed. As an American, I will be the first to say that the war in Ukraine is 100% the fault of NATO, and it is unfair to call Russia the "aggressor".
I thought this happened a year and a half ago, and that this new law basically became more strict as it has led also to the closure of romanian and Serbian chueches as well.
@@ironsandhammers359 These churches could not be subject to the new law because there’s still a 9-month period before it’s implemented
There was a Romanian parish that had its doors locked just the other day.
I'm sorry, but confiscating church properties under the guise of "turning them into state museums", or any other excuse, is in no way justified... No matter what language they conduct their services in
@@beauty.of.the.struggle Like I said repeatedly, the authorities are overreacting
@@russianchristianity you did, multiple times. But you also said multiple times that their moves were "understandable".
It makes for a very ambiguous video
@@beauty.of.the.struggle Of course, there'a a raging war. Wouldn't you overreact if your loved ones were hiding from shelling?
to anyone who still does not understand, this is an anti-russian channel
@@CA-jz9bm it's so clear now. He claimed to be neutral at one point, I guess he lied and continues to do so. There's nothing wrong with being anti-Russian but to attack Christ is satanic. He must admit it, he is an enemy of God.
Can you prove that?
Where am I lying? Where do I attack Christ?
@@russianchristianity almost everything you said in this video is a lie, especially the justification for the persecution of the faith. I like the way the way you just lie about almost everything and ask people to separate the weed from the chaff for you so that you could prove how much less they know to justify your faults. The Ukrainian illegitimate government is attacking the 'canonical Ukrainian orthodox church'. I didn't hear you say that, instead you spread lies and in these lies insist that the Church does what Zelensky is asking it to do. And you come here ask us where you are wrong? The Church seeks unity more than anyone, and Zelensky is persecuting it for that. You say church was never involved in politics, Church should be involved in politics. In fact it should be more authoritative than the Nazis that run Zelensky's government. You support Zelensky don't you? That is something you should have admitted not go on about why Zelensky's government is more righteous than the church. Change the name of your channel to Ukrainian propaganda because you haven't spoken like Christian in all your videos, only like one of the goons in Zelensky's false cabinet.
So who's lying here, friend? Where have I ever said that the Church was never involved in politics? Why should I, a non-Ukrainian, support or not support Zelenskii? Where have I ever said that his government is more (or less) righteous than the Church?
Second, speaking about lying. Lying is everything that you don't like and don't agree with? You're saying the Zelenskii government is illegitimate? Wasn't he elected?
You're saying the Church is persecuted, while totally ignoring everything I said in this video.
And so on, and so forth. So, before accusing anyone of lying, get your words straight first
Ah so the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Russian Patriarcate can only continue to practise within Ukraine if it sides with Ukraine.
Yes, but it is not "Russian Patriarchate". Practically, they even stopped using the "Moscow Patriarchate" part.
@@russianchristianity I don't find it very nice that you are not allowed to hold that opinion, but I didn't know that about the name. But what is your stance on the raiding of monistaries?
@@elliotbacklund8529 What opinion do you mean exactly?
As for monasteries, I have called it overreaction in this video.
@@russianchristianity So you think the reaction to the raids are overreactions?
@@elliotbacklund8529 I think the raids were overreaction by the authorities
Either way, Russia will use this to bolster their own position about persecution of Russians in Ukraine.
that's for sure
@russianchristianity actually this it the most detrimental to the ukrainains. Many ukrainians who attended these churches have died in the war for ukraine. They want to belong to a canonical church. The orthodox church is a verry old institution. They don't want to trust their souls to a church that is only 6 years old that is also uncanonical.
Resume, only bans kgb church not orthodox Constantinople church
Nope, the resume is that it's not exactly a ban
The one sanctioned by Constantinople is not a real "church"
I feel so bad reading these comments in their attempts of slandering you because you DARE provide a more nuanced and balanced viewpoint of this issue.
Thank you for your support. War is always a tragedy, and it naturally creates confrontations and more tragedy. It's understandable that people are agitated
The ban of UOC-MP does not justify Putin's invasion of Ukraine. But neither Putin's invasion of Ukraine justify the ban of UOC-MP.
true, but as I explain in the video, it is not a ban
@@russianchristianity Yes, but I fear it still tends to be a ban in the near future. I talk as a one person being concerned about the status of ethnic Romanians in Ukraine.
@@georgescustefan8705 Well, that can always happen, no matter which law is in place. I understand
Of course not, but threat of NATO and ethnocide of Russians does. Hello from Zaporozhie ;)
@@jelenababich405 Ethnocide? Really?
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth."
Почему мужик на видео скрывает своё лицо? )))
Какой, который говорит за кадром?
@@russianchristianity ага
@@reformedcc Этот мужик на других видео светится. Видео ж не про него, зачем ему мелькать?
This is utterly untrue Paul of Kiev was arrested and jailed
You seem very sympathetic to Antichrist Jew Zelensky
Why do you not show video of Zelensky dancing in High Heels with Gays ?
Can you write again but this time use punctuation?
@@russianchristianity Nasty Nasty
No one can be beginner for arrogant RussianChristianity website focused on worldly trivialities like fools always are Malicious Spiteful Antichristian
I have no idea what you're saying. Can you speak any other languages?
It's simple the Orthodox Church had ties and and somewhat still has ties with Russian intelligence and has been a integral part of the apparatus of the cheka kgb and fsb to inform on decentors.
That's a load of bunk and you know it.
@@cormacbrogan7353 Do you distinguish between the Church and the Church leadership?
Prove it
Good vidoe love from Sweden!
Thank you
The Ukrainian authorities have every reason to consider the Moscow Patriarchate as an organisation hostile to the country and to prohibit its activities and the activities of all organisations controlled by it and associated with it on the territory of the country. The public statements and actions of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill alone are more than enough to draw such a conclusion and corresponding prohibitions. The Moscow Patriarchate not only openly supports Russia's military aggression against Ukraine, but also tries to give it a spiritual and ideological justification. Moreover, it is the religious and nationalist views propagated by the Russian Orthodox Church that underlie the ideology of the "Russian world" and the "historical and canonical territories" of the Russian state and the Russian Orthodox Church. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew gave a clear and unambiguous spiritual assessment of this, saying that the Moscow Patriarchate shares responsibility for Russia's war in Ukraine.
As for the issues of the canonicity of the UOC and the OCU, the OCU received recognition of independence and autocephaly in 2018 by the Patriarchate of Constantinople, and then by three more of the fourteen regional Orthodox churches.
Its recognition by the remaining churches is in the process, so there is no reason to talk about its non-recognition by the other churches. Until now, none of the regional churches, except the ROC, has announced canonical non-recognition of the OCU.
Unlike the OCU, none of the local Orthodox churches recognise the independence and autocephaly of the UOC. It is considered canonical only as part of the ROC of the Moscow Patriarchate.
Sincerely yours,
bishop Vincent Berg.
That's all true. However, I also want to emphasize that when we talk about churches we tend to only consider the Patriarch, some most important bishops, and key public personalities as the Church. The Church is much more than that. The long list of defrocked priests and a huge diversity of opinions among the laymen in the ROC testify to that.
As long as no parish in Ukraine seeks or takes instruction from any person in Russia, and as long as the Patriarch of Moscow's name is not mentioned in the liturgy, there's no objection.
Dear Bishop Vincent berg,
If I am not mistaken, You are a schismatic. You are not part of a Canonical jurisdiction.
Thanks.
Why does it matter? He's just expressing his opinion
@@russianchristianity Doesn't it also matter to know when the information you recieve is sponsored by the Russian government? it's important to know where ur information coming from. Whether its Russian propaganda, True Orthodox Propaganda, Ukrainian Propaganda, etc.
There are a few underlying premises here as an American that I just can't agree with. The most obvious underlying part is that The Moscow Patriarchate IS the canonical church in Ukraine, there is absolutely 0 reasoning to say anything contradictory to that, and to say otherwise is 100% uncanonical. We don't care what certain Bishops in Greece or what the EP says, because these are the same clergy who are ecumenists and show signs of apostacy. The Church is not an invisible body, we are a VISIBLE CHURCH that has clear hierarchy in jurisdiction. Canonically, Ukraine is 100% under The Moscow Patriarchate, and the false Ukrainian Church (which is ecumenist and tied up with The Papists), is schismatic. Going from this point, it is absolutely unjust for any law whatsoever to target The Moscow Patriarchate in any sense, even if they are supposing that some clergy may be "spies", or connected to Russia. Ukraine is just going to use propaganda and the demonization of The Russian State, in order to condemn innocent and canonical clergy. It is abundantly clear to me that the state of Ukraine IS persecuting The Orthodox Church in Ukraine (The Moscow Patriarchate). They are destroying monasteries, arresting clergy, shutting down Churches (an egregious sin), and disturbing Holy Relics. All of this blasphemy absolutely cannot be justified by any form of political means. Especially because the political justification itself is heavily flawed. As an American, I will be the first to say that the war in Ukraine is 100% the fault of NATO, and it is unfair to call Russia the "aggressor".
Well, if you're 100% sure in every claim you make, arguing with you is pointless 🙂
Сами себя прокляли
Кто? Чего? О чем?