Active Self Protection Instructor Certification: FBI Qualification Drill
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Mr. John, my understanding this qualification is suppose to be with iron sights only, no optics, and on stages at low ready , not high ready.
Nick C you’re correct
True - BUT... much like the military, the Feds use outdated standards that breed complacency.. and red dots are the way of the future whether we like it or not. The low/high ready debacle is something that really depends on the situation, as I’ve had people at both and have contemplated in the heat of the moment what was appropriate. I have since come to realize that if it is necessary for my gun to be drawn, I want the LARGEST possible advantage in using it if the situation dictated... therefore, if my gun is drawn and focused on a potential threat, then you’re damn sure that it’ll be aimed at SOMEWHERE on the body.
Mike Parlin Thats fine and dandy for a personal aspect. But the reality is cost. What’s does a modified pistol with all those cool optics cost an agency, a company or the military. You have to have a milled slide, which allows you to mount the optic, the optic itself again is another cost. The backup irons to go with the optic is another issue. All these modifications make a $600.00 gun instantly cost $1,000 or more per pistol. That doesn’t even include the specialized holsters for duty, such as level 3 retention etc. It’s another cost that many agencies can not afford especially large agencies. Plus when these things fail, break or malfunction then you have several officers who are then working with a gun that is unsafe due to this malfunction so you’re right back where you started, with iron sights. I do understand your point of view & it is a valid one, however in a law enforcement aspect, not very feasible. It’s not an option as a department because the company or agency is responsible for all the maintenance & replacement of these tools. The easiest thing to do is train to the standard with plain old irons. Most agencies do not have prohibition on the officers modifying their firearms to accept an optics & that’s always a good thing for the officer. Some like it some doesn’t. Truthfully, irons are less prone to failure & will last a lot longer. The optic red dot is a nice option but right now in the LE/MIL world it’s not always a viable option. Good tool to have but not practical in LE/MIL world right now. If you can afford it, carry it; if not then train to the highest standard with what you have. Not trying to ding you just showing you why it is the way it is.
TRIBE LLC I couldn’t say it any better, and wholeheartedly agree. I have the luxury of being able to modify my own gear (sadly, I must pay for it)... but nonetheless - I am seriously looking at the LITTLE things that I can do to make training and using a firearm that much easier. I heard a saying once that always stuck with me, “When under stress and facing dire circumstances, those who choose to fight will automatically resort to their lowest level of training.” Or something along those lines. Basically, the little things add up, and if one is willing to spend the time and money on them... then I don’t see the issue with it. I am in no way claiming that the mods like slide serrations, mag well cutouts, RMRs, etc., will make one a better shooter, but they will aid in making ones system personalized and familiar in a way that a plain old duty rifle/pistol will never be. I am still using a Glock 23 with XS Big Dots, a flush mounted Olight pistol light, and a rag-tag stippling job I did with a pocket knife and wood burner as my personal carry gun - and a Glock 35 (huge competition .40S&W) as my duty gun paired with rubber Talon grips, a huge Olight pistol light, and fiber optic+tritium iron sights. The only thing I would like to add is a red dot to my compact carry gun as it would 100% increase my snapshot time. These are the things that are well within reason and feasible for a department to allow if the user (me) is competent enough and can make the point to their higher-ups that these little things, although “extra and experimental” benefit a lot of us who actually train their hearts out and come home thinking of ways to improve. I agree with every point you brought up, but it’s similar to who the military SHOULD be allowed to operate in today’s era of counter-insurgency... tell them WHAT you want done and WHY it is important - don’t tell them HOW to do their job or micromanage the shit out of it. I’ll admit I’m splitting hairs on that one though.
Steven Wall Right!
Just watched the jogger video now this one nothing better than a double ASP notification!
Thanks for the info and instruction you bring every day!
Lookin good John - mental fitness, moral fitness, spiritual fitness and physical fitness - your weight loss and keeping it off has motivated me to get out and do the same
Great instructional video! I will work on this before I post a video of this training. 👍👍
Shot this a year or two ago, and passed with 89% Its a very challenging course!
I have always noticed that at the 15 is where things start to fall apart. Close enough that the student thinks a little fudge on fundamentals won't matter. Gotcha!!! Fundamentals ALWAYS matter. BTW, I both hate and love Dot Torture. I do it regularly. John, I love the philosophy you have and the high standards you bring to the table. As it should be.
Very nice shoot. Very encouraging. FBI qualification is my next goal 🎉
I don’t know why I find the tactical vision sweep so funny 😂
Live uncut - respect to you both, good shooting!
This guy looks like he says bio-mechanical efficiency at least once a day
He says it on the “reg”
Sweet can't wait to practice some drills.
That berm is insane!
Yeah, it's one of the highest in the facility!
Can you use red dot? Thank you.
Scully and Mulder would be impressed.
YESSSSS!
I shoot this twice a year for qual, but probably 4 to 5 times actually with practices. This qual is pretty easy as far as the time challenge goes. If you get bored with it cut your time by 10 to 20 percent.
Cut the times I half and it gets pretty spicy.
Some more advice for people willing to practice:
Competition shooting often uses limited silhouette targets similar to this. I do IDPA and have shot a buttload of FBI silhouette and IPSC silhouette targets and some VTAC anatomy targets on top of the IDPA silhouettes. Also, whenever I do shoot, I always run the first course cold with my carry ammo. I have some carry ammo and mostly FMJ for shooting, but the first part whatever it may be (they switch it up every time with us) I always do cold with my carry ammo.
Competitive shooting is the best way to improve and maintain your pistol skills regardless of whether you are a CCW or you carry a gun for a living. (The particular IDPA that I go to has courses for both conceal carry and duty belt, I run both with my EDC pistol and duty pistol respectively.) It's also a community of people who want to lift each other up. Might get a bit competitive, but at the end of the day it's all about seeing where/how you need to improve and making sure you don't fall into any bad habits.
Competitive shooting is great! So is FoF. And I love the VTAC target.
@@papimaximus95 I'm not military and I never will be but from that I've seen that's more the resources (re: taxpayers' money) that the military has available to them. I've been to privately owned outdoor ranges, shoothouses, etc that exmilitary and exLEO friends with FFLs, etc have for more in-depth training that's longer and more intensive. It's great, but it sure costs a pretty penny.
I'd argue that it's a lot more viable in many aspects including financially to take up competition shooting (especially when you already have your own gear like many CCWs and LEOs and security do) for working on gun stuff and also take up either boxing or BJJ for the brunt of your force-on-force stuff. Most of the people involved in those are more than willing to figure out what you want and work with you to achieve those goals, on top of the very useful and practical skills they offer.
This is for most of your folks serious about the duty/defense oriented world outside of enlistment. Again, I'm not military so this could be the complete opposite of most military stuff. (But I think the military should remain a fundamentally separate entity from police and CCWs anyway. While some of the tactics might be the same, the contexts in which they are applied are wayyyy different.)
Great video! Nice job!
Great video. Practice makes better
Awesome! I’ve done this before. I just need to tighten up my groups
Thanks for the info. Waiting for next week to walk into my local gun store for info on firearms classes
Great shooting John!..considering you’re so distracted with your gadgets everytime you set up. AWESOME!!!👍👍👍😊
Cool Thanks for the challenge 👍
Glad it helps!
Only just noticed those tacticool bunny ears, cute John!
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Thanks for the video. Yep you were over on the first drill only because you shot 4 shots instead of 3. Still only slightly over because of the extra shot.
Thanks. Been awhile since I fired the old course. Have to get a Q target and try this one😁
Thanks for the practice drills. Will have to get a timer so I can evaluate my progression. Do you have any recommendations?
Thank you John and Dave for making this video and sharing it with us.
I don't practice anywhere near what I want/should and I gotta run this qualification
just to see where I am.
I do have a question though. Do you have to use that target or can you use a different one???
Thanks again and keep yourselves safe!
Randy
It's designed to be shot on the FBI Q target. Some variation of that is best. If you can't find that, the IPSC target will work if you count the A, B, C zones as hits but not D.
@@ASPextra Thanks!
@@papimaximus95 Thank you!
I’m in Michigan bro. Your weather looks amazing ! 🤓
Winters in Phoenix are delightful. :)
@@ASPextraJust rub it in :-(
Awesome drill...
It’s harder than the old qualifier but it seems doable.
It really is.
When I go visit my son in Phoenix I will look you up. Maybe we can do it there.
Love the "ears", John - and the video! :D
So cool. I’d love to be able to conceal carry in nyc...
I am gonna write this down. It looks like a fun drill. Low ready is pointed at the ground in front of you! I had to qualify using the federal standard years back. My guard unit was mobilized to support Immigrations and customs on the northern border right after 9/11. It was easier than the Army qualification. It is closer to the armed security qualification given by NY state. John is like me, anything not in the middle is a miss to me. If your head is in it, scoring expert is no sweat.
"Low ready" is muzzle pointed below the waist, not at the ground.
@@ASPextra it depends on who is grading you. They wouldn't proceed till they saw the muzzles all pointed down.
Asp'olutely! kool video keep up the good work guys 👍
Haha!
Your buddy should be watching the gun go into the holster after each stage.
I so want a Slow Poke Rodriguez patch!
Jose I forgot to tell you...Slowpoke Rodriguez, he pack a gun.
Good job boys. Those 25 yard quick shots are difficult.
Spicy for sure!
Fun in the sun! Get you some!
Love it!
John, on the "4, reload, 4", did you have too many rounds in the first mag, or were you riding the slide catch? I do that more often than I'd like to, and I have to be very aware of my thumbs to avoid it. Any thoughts on proper grip to address this problem?
I ride the slide stop because of how I grip the gun. I grip it so high that it seldom locks to the rear for me.
And I don't care about it at all for defensive shooting because reloads are irrelevant in defensive shooting. Not so in competitive shooting. ;)
Awesome sauce
Shouldn't this be done with iron sights only?
No, I do it with my EDC gun.
just curious, whats the minimum standard?
90%.
Love your videos John! Where can I find the targets you're using in this video?
Link in description. Target for this video: get-asp.com/Q-PT
I shot the old course a few years ago. Perfect until the 15 where I missed one and then struggled at 25 because if my eyesight. Missed 3 there. I was pleased with my 92. Not sure I could do better at 25 now since my eyes have not gotten better but with my RDS I know I can make 80 in my sleep.
Dot is life!
Red Dot really works those kinds of miracles?
Damn I Wana try
James Evans it takes some training to pick up the dot as quickly as iron sights. I put on suppressor height night sights that co-witness which really helped make that transition. The big advantage is not having a hard time focusing on that front sight. I would pick a different sight than the Trijicon RMR which is what I use for something with a slightly bigger window if I had to do it all over again.
@@JamesBond-zd5jx interesting, yea my eyes are pretty good I never had a problem with both front sight and target in focus. I'm a scrawny dude though and I tend to have more sway than I like
James Evans wait till you get old. It happens to everyone.
Are you sure this is the correct course of fire? Seems different than the FBI qual I used to shoot.
It was updated in 2019.
Looks too easy, especially for instructors level. Need to try it myself.
Yep, let's see you get after it!
My local indoor ranges only go out to 20 yards FML.
That being the case, shoot the 25 yard target at 20. If that's the best you can do, then do that! :)
I did the FBI shooting qualification, I had to problem one I don’t have a timer I had to use my app timer on my phone so I have no video second issue I am in Southern Arizona and it was in July my phone shutdown because of heat
Yeah, electronics don't like Arizona in July.
@@ASPextra yea tell me about I usually shoot alone and the Arizona heat has cooked my cellphone more then once
Holy smokes.
Curious what handguns are you both using? Any modifications?
I am carrying a Wonderblaster 9000. HK P30 LEM Grayguns with RMR. Dave is carrying a fancy Glock.
Minus dudes range theatrics called institutional inbreeding according to Pat McNamera. It was informative.
He's welcome to do an administrative scan and assess. Doesn't affect the qual.
I notice that Dave is from the Instructor Zero school of thought: check your surroundings after firing.
He's big on the scan and assess.
Me too. People look at me at the range like I'm either some kind of poser, or suffering a severe case of Parkinson's. Doesn't bother me because practice makes permanent.
Why does your guest look left/right before holstering his weapon?
It's called scanning. You'll see people do it at the range all the time. It's supposed to train you to break tunnel vision during an engagement to look for other threats in the area.
what about the distance? how are you going to know they're 5ft away?...
That's why you shoot from multiple distances.
@@ASPextra gotcha
Hey man hope all is well! So my question would be what about good citizens who messed up when younger and now law abiding citizens cant own a gun due to past. So what defense can i give my home family If i cant carry in New York. I would really appreciate some kind of suggestion on your stand point
First, I would appeal to the courts to have your rights reinstated. If you've reformed your life, you can get your rights back. Second, NY gun laws suck.
Where do you find the FBI quals in written form?
It’s on Google.
The cat ears are killing me! lol
Meow!
@4:49 curious why do you both have different ready stances? I always thought ready stance was gun in towards chest (high ready, like what Dave was doing in the video, then press out if need to fire) or down (low ready near belly button, raise to target if need to fire). John‘s stance looks like it’s nearly a full extension, neither a high nor a low ready? See it again @8:04 John is pretty much all the way extended and only moves the gun mere inches to fire. This is kind of cheating as he doesn’t need to align his sights as much as a true ready position, he can already see his dot and just needs to move it barely. I would say this is not a true ready position, but I’m just a guy on the internet.
Edit: apparently John is using a “modified low ready” where the sight is supposed to be pointed at the targets waist. Granted I still think John is pushing it here for what is considered a ready position vs. having your arms and sight lined up 99% of the way, but again I’m just a guy on the internet. I think the best question here is what does the FBI consider as allowable ready positions?
Edit 2: welp John literally covered this. Another reason to watch the video in full before commenting! I still think he’s pushing it though!
As long as you can see clearly above your sights and the muzzle is angled down, that's "Low Ready", bro.
DJ Arnoldo ya but man John was reallllly close. Look at @8:03 he barely needs to move the gun at all once the beep goes, he’s pretty much starting on target from the get go
he is also using a red dot.
spades77seven ha yes it is very obvious that he is clearly using a red dot. What is the point you are trying to make about a red dot? That it’s easier?
So you don't "what" with it?
Why use Ben Avery when u got Christian camp
Not bad, stop leaning back
This is the FBI qualification NOT the instructor qualification, correct?
There is no instructor qual for the FBI. Instructors have to pass the FBI Pistol Qual at 90%.
@@ASPextra there certainly is, I took it (administered over the course of a full week at an official FBI training facility and conducted by 6 active FBI master instructors) and was certified a few springs ago... it's COMPLETELY DISTINCT and COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from the standard FBI qualification course.... if they merely left it up to completing their qualification with the score of 90% or better then ANY agent or ANYONE on the PLANET for that matter could claim to have passed and completed the FBI instructor "qual". This misunderstanding might explain why I've seen some folks touting their FBI instructor course "score" but who themselves are not FBI-certified instructors, perhaps they just shot what they believed to be the requirement for instructor-level and called it good. I wondered why this was called instructor in the title.
That course hasn't been released to the public that I have ever seen.
@@ASPextra it's VERY simple, a bit challenging, but VERY manageable. I've seen it here and there on a few websites.
Pretty sure the guy on the left is carrying a microtech combat troodon...which is what I carry 😏..that or a dirac delta
No, that's a Glock. 17 I think.
@@ASPextra I'm talking about his knife in his right pocket...microtech otf 99% sure lol
Might be. Probably a Ravencrest, since they're local.
Just heard that AZ has just submitted a bill to ban all "assault " weapons, "large capacity" mags, etc. Worst than Virginia's laws. Guns-n-Gadgets announced it today...
It's dead in committee.
Just virtue signaling by the leftist trash representatives from Tuscon.... showing submisson their leftist financiers
Where can I find the fbi qual. To print out and take to range?
pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?35242-New-FBI-Pistol-Qual
Should've known it would be on pistol forum
what kind of first aid kit is that?
It’s the ASP Field Trauma Kit from Wilderness Tactical. thewilderness.com
Very cool but I don't understand appendix :/
James Evans what’s not to understand?
@@marcuskennedy9356 I don't see the advantage (?) Of appendix
... It's an odd draw angle, your wrist has to be bent and of course it's pointed the wrong place
James Evans for concealed carry its the best angle for ease of access. It allows you to use two hands to defeat your garment if the opportunity allows which is a huge plus. The least telegraphed draw as far as expanding your silhouette by moving your arms.
Also holstered guns aren’t pointed at anything because they can’t fire( if you have the right set up).
@@marcuskennedy9356 ah good point about the draw angle. It does look very natural.
I will say a full size is easier that way too. Though still I'm not putting a muzzle (even a double action) anywhere near the fig leaf XD
Good shooting. Have you ever shot the CBP/USBP qual?
I haven’t! If you know of a site with the course of fire send it my way.
For the strong hand weak hand course of fire is it suppose to be fired with 2 hands on the weapon?
No, strong hand is strong hand only. Support hand is support hand only.
Awesome. Now shoot it truly cold.
The basic FBI qual is not that hard. I shot the qual successfully with a Beretta 96 (.40 cal version of the 92) having not shot in over 3 years (long story). That was with iron sights and with no warm-up. And I didn't shoot from a high ready like John did...
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is this still active? I am interesting in becoming an instructor for ASP. If need we can take this to a private message.
The instructor certification program is ongoing. It is not a staff instructor program. It is a class to make firearms instructors better at their craft, not bring them onto my staff.
8:07 the P30 didn’t lock back on last shot why?
Because I grip the gun too high and have large hands. I can't get any pistol to lock back reliably.
Sounds like an excuse to me! proper training would correct that. You don’t have to worry about that stuff with a ps4 controller!
@@ls66 i agree with this from the sense that modern firearms are (or should be) designed to hold high grips.
thats the only way you should be firing these handguns is with a high as grip as possible.
Modern firearms should not be having slide locking issues.
Garret it’s not the handguns issue it’s operator issue........training.
Checkout fieldcraft survival channel for a guy who knows what he’s talking about. Not just another TH-cam clown.
Hondo 66 that’s not ENTIRELY true. If you design a firearms ergonomics to not accept a high grip by designing the slide lock to not engage then you’d have to train incorrectly by changing to an incorrect grip to compensate.
Hey John, I've been to the Ben Avery Shooting Range a couple times now. While on vacation I'll be going back there In 2 weeks Can you tell me where on the Range they have that spot you're at to practice Holster draw Because I don't think I can do it at the main shooting tables.
These are private ranges that I can reserve because I am registered as a training org with BASF. I have heard that you can now draw from a holster on the main range.
96% was respectable - he should earn another 2 - 3% for the seek and scan.
$600 for 1,000 rounds? Lol hard pass
surprisingly low standards. Your right that almost anyone with some practice can make the agent standard of 80% and probably quiet a few that can make 90%. I need to try this
It's not a difficult test for sure, if you're remotely well trained.
at the waist is not ready its cheating
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@@ASPextra wow just picking
What's all this from the ready crap. That's not real world at all. Easy peasy course there. You also fail if you miss time in any one stage and should start over. The old course is much more difficult.
The course is what it is, man. There are plenty of times when you might have a gun out at low ready but not be shooting. Also, whether the old course or the new one, I do not believe it is a high level shooting qual.
Too much fast talking, gesticulations, “weekend match with the guys at the range” equipment and atmosphere, useless bags hanging from belts …. not realistic. Moving on.
Not an airport, no need to announce your departure
Next range trip definitely doing this, I wonder how it will go 🫢
Price gouging just like everybody else. ... Typical. Never waste a good crisis, huh?
Uh, wut?
I still think the bar is set low on this one.
No question that the FBI qual is not a high standard. But it *is* a known national standard so we go with it.
Thanks John, I've never ever seen a lefty shoot.
Really? I shoot here on the channel all the time.
@@ASPextra yeah I've never seen you shoot all I've ever seen is encounter videos you post.
If you get a chance check out Lockpicking lawyer and see how not safe most gun safes and locks are.
Pretty nice to know most of the safes with electronic locks can be opened with a magnet.
I would watch it then open your safe door and shield the solenoid.
I'm left handed too but only hold a guitar lefty and a pen. 🤔
See you in Brazil for some "target practice". 😏
Man I hope SB 1625 don't pass John. It's hands down the worst.
They file it every year, man. It won't make it out of committee but thankfully this year more people are paying attention.
@@ASPextra I hope your right. People need to wake up.
It always amazes me that law enforcement guys aren't necessarily into shooting and aren't the ones to turn to for advice.
Most of their job doesn't involve shooting, so it's just one part of what they do and not everyone is into it.
@@ASPextra Yep. Very true.
Why don’t you put your hands by your side. I think what you are doing is cheating, and not realistic.
Over the next week, look for it when you're out and about. People stand with their hands like that ALL the time.
He might as well just start off with his hands on the firearm...lol
@active self protection. The only time I see people standing with their hands in their pants is when it’s cold 🥶. you’re trying to increase your shooting time by doing it that way and that’s cheating. Also you said you didn’t want to draw attention to yourself when carrying, which is what you said in another video, but clearly that’s not what you’re doing in this video. Furthermore I haven’t seen anyone standing with their hands randomly in their pants within the past 2 days.