The old air marshal test is really about being fast but slowing it down to get consistency. The pars are relatively easy for a skilled pistol shooter to meet, but not messing up(especially in a test environment where everyone is watching you) is hard. I like to run one with the boys everytime someone gets a totally new kind of carry gun.
I believe that anyone who trains regularly would be capable of shooting this drill, because it looks like main focus on skills other than shooting I would be able to get the hits despite having relatively little amount of practice, but reloads and shooting with a draw are skills that take time and practice and I would not be able to do those It's one of those more reasonable tests, but also the one that shows the real level of competence with a firearm
This was ran after 9/11 during ramp up of FAM program with stock sig 229 in 357 sig and the holster was a desantis pancake snap top that they made you snap every time. So also no appendix carry which IMO is a quicker draw. If you failed you went home. Agency transitioned to G19 about 3 years ago. And this qual is no longer used except for training.
The FBI Q targets are huge. The bottle is close to the size of a C zone on a USPSA target and you were going for smaller than an Alpha. So you more than passed!
He did not pass. He used optics and a competition trigger. The original Air Marshal weapon was the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig with stock trigger and standard ‘iron’ sights.
@@JJLTACTICALSOUTIONS Does the current air marshal qual allow for pistol mounted optics? Would you say it's advanced and changed since your 10 years in? If so, how has it changed? Can you speak to it?
@@FEAR_Actual the TPC (tactical pistol course) is no longer used because it was to hard for the younger generation to pass. So I can’t answer that question for you. All I can say is when I was at the academy right after 9/11 the test was done and the weapon was the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig. If I was like you and wanted to see if you could pass the original TPC, you would have to cut off some of the times due to the fact most people use the 9mm with optics now. For example, stage 1 when you have to draw and hit the target in under 1.65 seconds, I would lower that par time to maybe 1.25 seconds. But again the TPC is no longer used because today’s Air Marshals are pussies when it comes to firearms. I mean come on, all they have to pass is the regular law enforcement test called the PPC and my 12 year old son could pass that. I spoke about this in a video on my page and wrote an article about it as well: Federal Air Marshal Firearms Qualification th-cam.com/video/sD3X-4vxGTs/w-d-xo.html www.concealedcarry.com/training-2/can-you-shoot-like-the-original-federal-air-marshal/
The AM quals are no joke. It’s the time standards that will get ya. The fact that they have to do this cold come time for quals makes it even more challenging. When I did these on my own I struggled with the times until I figured out the pacing and rhythm.
I don’t want to overly nitpick but your “low ready” is held far higher (and just below “point-shoulder”) than the trainers allow. Air Marshal’s low-ready is with elbows fully bent and the gun fully retracted back to within a few inches of the chest in order to have the weapon in a more protected/secure fashion. This makes the qualifier extend the firearm farther and acquire the target - a little more costly in terms of time but in practice, more protective of the gun. Using their technique will give you more realistic qual times.
Your target was much harder than the one that you’re supposed to use. You scored 100%. You get 2 points for outside the bottle. Your target was smaller than the bottle. The ones you counted as misses would’ve been full points.if any of your misses would’ve been in the brown cardboard they would’ve been 2 points.
Ya, the way I read it, was inside the bottle shape, not just the rectangle shape inside the bottle. Weird they would give two points for complete misses.
The correct target for this COF is the QIT-03, which has a "normal" Q shape with a smaller "bottle" inside that is the 5 point zone. Hunter's boxes are probably a little wide for the QIT-03, but the QIT-03 center is much taller.
@@DaBigBR actually any hits inside the bottle, not the box inside the bottle get the full 5 points. Anywhere on the paper gets 2 points. It seems silly to me too that they give you 2 points for missing the entire bottle.
Was part of the original FAM redesign team in 2002 out in Artesia, NM (FLETC). USG sent a lot of us from all areas (delta, devgru, ground branch, etc) to come in & strip away all the old and come up with what they’re using today. New combatives, edged weapons, tactics & shooting program. Fun. How much are your belts? Love to buy one & try it.
I remember the contracted instructors in Artesia who were all black and it now reminds me of the SEAL instructors from the movie GI Jane. The original FAM TPC was difficult but I did pass.
Nice job! This is notorious as one of the most difficult LEO quals out there. I know I wouldn't pass it at the time of viewing. Give me a couple weekends of practice runs, and I might, lol. No way I'm doing it cold. Thank you for the link to the drill!
Almost every video on the original qual does it with the wrong target. The correct target resembles an FBI Q with the bottom cut off. In the center of the Q is a long narrow column, the lower third being four inches wide and the upper third being three inches wide.. That narrow column is the high scoring section. These can be found at Action Targets online.
Howdy! Do I understand correctly that you must be under par time for each station, or it is a DQ? That's what I think the instructions mean, but it is a little vague. Or, do you just have to be under the 33.8 total time and 5 or less misses (135 points) to pass? If you DQ by being over time in any one station, it seems the scoring weights time over accuracy as you could have up to 5 misses, be under time and still pass? It seems to me accuracy should weigh more than time. Like zero misses and under a total of 33.8 seconds or something like that? So, you could be a little over time on one station, but guarantee the hit, and be under time on other stations, also guaranteeing the hits, and as long as you're under 33.8 total seconds, you pass. What do you think? Thanks!
I would like to go through the training. It seems to be fun. In my opinion I may not get it first few times but as long as I get better each time I don’t see a problem.
100% agree. They started sending some of them to the border to help with the ongoing invasion. I'm not sure how many they even have flying. I do know a lot of guys that went to that job after 09/11 but they didn't stay long. Has to be the most boring job ever.
I want to commend you for even attempting this course of fire. The pistol you use, with a red dot and a weapon light, I would think, would be difficult for an Air Marshal to carry and maintain 100% concealment at all times. I carry a plain jane RIA 1911 in .45 acp. I'm 69 now. Just carrying my 45, a spare magazine and pepper spray, can be difficult to keep hidden all the time.
I know some ppl that went to work for the Air Marshals. Right after 09/11 the standards were legit and the failure rate was high. What did the government do to hire more Air Marshals? They reduced the standards. When one guy I know went to work for them, I knew their standards had been lowered to a level that was a joke. Why? He was a joke and shot like $hit.
Hey bud I’ve done the NRA firearms instructor qual and you’re ok at best 😂 haha good shit bro!!! Definitely gonna have to give this a try one day. Keep up the good work bro you’re killing it.
My understanding is that what you shot is the old standard. Now it's just a standard FLETC test but Air Marshal candidate have to shoot a higher score.
Former USBorder Patrol & Federal Air Marshal (retired) here…First, Iron sights only…Snap retention holster…Low ready (FAMS standard is weapon pulled in tuck to chest low/ under chin…avoids weapons grabs by unknowns) graded on two-hands moving standard, reload at face (up and away)…nice try, but your set up and concealment are unsat! Never Forget, Never Forgive
Yes! I actually have this filmed. Some of the other comments are correct. Generally if you can stack a group of shots (5-10) inside of a 1 inch paster at 10 yards then you’ll notice a difference in accuracy.
When they come down in price I may pick one up right now I carry the kore western version its Buffalo leather and than I use there stiffer nylon one for if I want more gun I'm curious how yours feels with guns and how they hold up y Your almost double the price for gun belts so that's why I haven't pulled the trigger yet .
I went through training at ACY then Artesia NM. Had to qual and shoot the course a lot, Back then our jobs depended on it, of course they didn't tell you you had to pass the shooting qual until we were in ACY.
Don't mean to bag on air marshmallows but I had to qual wearing a green uniform on the border. That qual is quite difficult, take a look. I have been invited to at least 10 other local and county leo quals... unfortunately most were pathetic. Local leo's are dangerously undertrained!
Hey hunter i just got my first handgun. I've shot rifles and shotguns my whole life but this pistol thing is very different for me. How do i ensure I'm not wasting my time at the range? Do i need to be doing specific drills early on or do i need to think about things a certain way? Thanks
I like how you just used a used target instead of just making sure with a clean one, cardboard must be expensive there haha 😂 I keep forgetting about this drill somehow, need to run it!! Thanks man
@@hunter-constantine why not, sounds like a cheap endeavor, honestly on my budget after buying a bunch of ammo we would have better luck buying Frontier. lol.
Not bad. The “low ready” your using would not be allowed. Not sure what language you speak but perhaps compressed ready would be a better representation based on your training.
@@joshmajor8662 🤓🤓🤓 is this a point of pride for you? To ad hominem insult everyone who doesn't demonstrate complete mastery of American English in a TH-cam comment? Damn us for using slang (part of the established English vernacular despite your pedantic protests)! Get thee hence!
Also I don’t believe they appendix carry, I believe at one time FAM had to wear suits when working to blend in which made them stand out and they carried at 3 or 4 o’clock , also definition of low ready is subjective. I would really like to one day have an actual Air Marshall go through the drill as was required, I would be curious to see the similarities and differences.
The original test you had to use the following: Sig Sauer 229 chambered in .357Sig Target is the FBI-QIT-97 Must wear holster on the side Must wear a cover garment and draw from concealment (a jacket) No optics (use standard sights) No aftermarket parts and the weapon is stock (the shooter on this video used a weapon with optics and a competition trigger) Automatic failure if you don’t make any of the par times. On the stages when you start with the weapon out of the holster, the weapon has to be at the modified high ready (weapon pressed up against the chest with the barrel pointed down range) On the target the center ring is 5 points, the next outer ring is 2 points. 135 to pass with a max score of 150. 30 rounds fired. Must be shot cold with no warm ups on the day of the test, must shoot in front of entire class alone, if you fail after 3 attempts you are basically fired so the stress level is high. I can’t seem to find a single video on TH-cam that shows someone trying this while using the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig YES, I did pass the original FAM TPC using the Sig 229 chambered in .357
@@hunter-constantine I don’t have to post the video because I passed it when I was hired as a FAM right after 9/11 and I had to use the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig. So I know what I am talking about. I also do not have an Sig 229 anymore and I am not about to buy one just to show you I can pass it.
What you do not have to deal with is the stress that some of the instructors put you under. You are by yourself and not in a qualification environment. Some of the young Air Marshal instructors, are straight out of Special Ops or Former Contractors. They set up an environment to see how you perform under stress. Also you are shooting your Gucci rig, your issue weapon may have pretty poor trigger. If the Armorer says it is within spec, you are stuck with it. Still a nice video.
lol he's a USPSA Grand Master, so he's a better pistol shooter than 99.9999% of Spec Ops guys. If Air Marshalls can pass, he can pass too, stress or not.
@@algodon7424 yeah I know and competition can cause stress too. But what he was representing was not the environment that we had at FLETC. Also failure to qualify had career implications…
@@donc7984 no argument there. Age has overtaken me, I did my stint in the barrel. “Defensive tactics” as they are called caught up with me. How many times will your joints withstand pain suppression tactics practice without injury? It used to be that 55 was the max age for federal law enforcement. I have not kept up with it. I still shoot but even gave up competition. Even in F-Class, you are expected to do pit duty. Yep lugging a camera even is a challenge, ever carried a Nikon Z9 and long lens? Now that being said, I recently started doing hand strength exercises and general conditioning and stretching. Pistol shooting is a very perishable skill. Also I started using a green dot, I am still not as fast as I am with Irons but see that as a potential help.
I don't know if the FAMS are, but a lot of Federal Agencies have switched to the MRDS/Red dot. As far as the FAMS there might be a concealability issue with adding a Red Dot.
So, the FBI QIT target is quite a bit bigger than your boxes. I think you wouldn't have a problem qualifying to be an air marshal. You wouldn't be able to use that pistol as someone else stated that the Glock 19 is the weapon of choice.
while he is a good shooter one thing to consider is that Air Marshals are a federal agency. And, are issued service weapons and most likely are not allowed to carry their own firearms and issued specific ammunition. So using a competition pistol is probably not going to happen for qualifications.
@@hunter-constantine It should be at 45 degrees. It matters because the longer travel means that your muscles have to work just that little bit harder both to accelerate upwards and then stopping. You'd at least get a warning if you held your gun like that in the competitions I do.
Seems odd 37 is the age cut off..........I met a FFDO last year and he was near mandatory FAA retirement age....but, dud is lethal with weapons and hand to hand skills.
@@chunt6352I think he was referring to the FFDO, who would be a pilot and talking about the mandatory pilot retirement age. Has nothing to do with the govt age restrictions or retirement for a govt. job. Air Marshals are govt employees, doing their thing as a job. FFDOs are airline pilots in their career, and volunteer for the selection process and training and recurrent training required for the FFDO program.
For anyone wondering...the EDC belt is straight fire bro. It's literally a game changer imo.
Which color way? Arid MC is supposedly a +5 cool factor. Can confirm?
I wouldn’t take advice from someone that talks like you. Straight fire? It’s a belt.
Straight fire dog!??? I get it, English is hard 🤷♂️😂
@@Rubeless 🤓🤓🤓 ok.
@@joshmajor8662 🤓🤓🤓. Really?
Congratulations! You are now allowed 1 extra carry on bag on all commercial flights.
YESSSSSSSS (Napoleon, dynamite voice)
The old air marshal test is really about being fast but slowing it down to get consistency. The pars are relatively easy for a skilled pistol shooter to meet, but not messing up(especially in a test environment where everyone is watching you) is hard. I like to run one with the boys everytime someone gets a totally new kind of carry gun.
I believe that anyone who trains regularly would be capable of shooting this drill, because it looks like main focus on skills other than shooting
I would be able to get the hits despite having relatively little amount of practice, but reloads and shooting with a draw are skills that take time and practice and I would not be able to do those
It's one of those more reasonable tests, but also the one that shows the real level of competence with a firearm
It's possible to do it from a safariland lvl 3 retention holster as well. Takes some practice though.
This was ran after 9/11 during ramp up of FAM program with stock sig 229 in 357 sig and the holster was a desantis pancake snap top that they made you snap every time. So also no appendix carry which IMO is a quicker draw. If you failed you went home. Agency transitioned to G19 about 3 years ago. And this qual is no longer used except for training.
That’s what you get with all those Secret Service Supervisors they hired.
Those marshals were solid B to almost A class USPSA w/o ever shooting a match...with full power 357 Sig ammo!
Our low ready was also in at chest, not extended. And we had to check six before draw or lost .5
And we used the q milk bottle targets.
And did it looking sexy lol
The FBI Q targets are huge. The bottle is close to the size of a C zone on a USPSA target and you were going for smaller than an Alpha. So you more than passed!
I was just about to say considering how massive the Q targets actually are he easily would've passed this qual no questions lmao
He did not pass. He used optics and a competition trigger. The original Air Marshal weapon was the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig with stock trigger and standard ‘iron’ sights.
@@JJLTACTICALSOUTIONS Does the current air marshal qual allow for pistol mounted optics?
Would you say it's advanced and changed since your 10 years in?
If so, how has it changed? Can you speak to it?
@@FEAR_Actual the TPC (tactical pistol course) is no longer used because it was to hard for the younger generation to pass. So I can’t answer that question for you. All I can say is when I was at the academy right after 9/11 the test was done and the weapon was the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig.
If I was like you and wanted to see if you could pass the original TPC, you would have to cut off some of the times due to the fact most people use the 9mm with optics now. For example, stage 1 when you have to draw and hit the target in under 1.65 seconds, I would lower that par time to maybe 1.25 seconds.
But again the TPC is no longer used because today’s Air Marshals are pussies when it comes to firearms. I mean come on, all they have to pass is the regular law enforcement test called the PPC and my 12 year old son could pass that.
I spoke about this in a video on my page and wrote an article about it as well:
Federal Air Marshal Firearms Qualification
th-cam.com/video/sD3X-4vxGTs/w-d-xo.html
www.concealedcarry.com/training-2/can-you-shoot-like-the-original-federal-air-marshal/
Now do it with an Sig P-229 in .357 Sig and no red dot or light. And CCI gold dot 125gr full house load. That’s their duty weapon & ammo.
With the real FBI target being so huge, he wouldn't have any problem
What are you talking about???
Na, do it with a hi point
The AM quals are no joke. It’s the time standards that will get ya. The fact that they have to do this cold come time for quals makes it even more challenging. When I did these on my own I struggled with the times until I figured out the pacing and rhythm.
I don’t want to overly nitpick but your “low ready” is held far higher (and just below “point-shoulder”) than the trainers allow. Air Marshal’s low-ready is with elbows fully bent and the gun fully retracted back to within a few inches of the chest in order to have the weapon in a more protected/secure fashion.
This makes the qualifier extend the firearm farther and acquire the target - a little more costly in terms of time but in practice, more protective of the gun.
Using their technique will give you more realistic qual times.
That's not low ready, not even close....fail on entire qual. 😂
Brother……you’re describing high compressed. Low ready needs to be pointed at the ground.
yup
is that your low ready ? lol ..... dude :-)
The Air Marshals should probably get with the times and stop referring to compressed ready as low ready.
Your target was much harder than the one that you’re supposed to use. You scored 100%. You get 2 points for outside the bottle. Your target was smaller than the bottle. The ones you counted as misses would’ve been full points.if any of your misses would’ve been in the brown cardboard they would’ve been 2 points.
Either way. We shouldn’t have flyers like that.
Ya, the way I read it, was inside the bottle shape, not just the rectangle shape inside the bottle. Weird they would give two points for complete misses.
The correct target for this COF is the QIT-03, which has a "normal" Q shape with a smaller "bottle" inside that is the 5 point zone. Hunter's boxes are probably a little wide for the QIT-03, but the QIT-03 center is much taller.
@@DaBigBR actually any hits inside the bottle, not the box inside the bottle get the full 5 points. Anywhere on the paper gets 2 points. It seems silly to me too that they give you 2 points for missing the entire bottle.
Have to correct the target...it is a QIT-97, not a QIT-03
Was part of the original FAM redesign team in 2002 out in Artesia, NM (FLETC). USG sent a lot of us from all areas (delta, devgru, ground branch, etc) to come in & strip away all the old and come up with what they’re using today. New combatives, edged weapons, tactics & shooting program. Fun.
How much are your belts? Love to buy one & try it.
They've made it quite easier since those days. Said too few people could pass.
Some of the blade experts at Atresia where no joke. Scary fast and efficient… There is a reason 21 feet and in is called the blood circle.
@@inspiredartphotos did you see the “fight in a phone booth” blade training? 6 strikes, 3 body zones, all done within a 21” aisle in “a few” seconds?
I went through training at ACY then Artesia. I was in one of the first hired after 9/11 probably crossed paths with you. I went to LA Field Office.
I remember the contracted instructors in Artesia who were all black and it now reminds me of the SEAL instructors from the movie GI Jane.
The original FAM TPC was difficult but I did pass.
Nice job! This is notorious as one of the most difficult LEO quals out there. I know I wouldn't pass it at the time of viewing. Give me a couple weekends of practice runs, and I might, lol. No way I'm doing it cold. Thank you for the link to the drill!
Talk about pushing the definition of Low Ready.
Is your interpretation of 'low ready' what the feds use? Navy was at the beltline, ready to engage
I was thinking the same thing,. His low ready is basically on target
@@so2315ya hes doing competitive low ready.
Mikitary and police low ready is typically 60-90 degrees downward
Our group ran this a few times last summer. A few past most came very close.
You need a 229 no optics to be accurate. The special facilitie has a mock plan that simulates turbulence and vibration while you engage targets.
Almost every video on the original qual does it with the wrong target. The correct target resembles an FBI Q with the bottom cut off. In the center of the Q is a long narrow column, the lower third being four inches wide and the upper third being three inches wide.. That narrow column is the high scoring section. These can be found at Action Targets online.
Good to note! There’s a lot of mixed info online about it. And per usual. I’m just using what I have access to
Do they get to use a red dot? I don’t think so
Ken Hackathorn says that this is easier with irons!
(He is stupid.)
Well, they generally dont allow dogs on flights, so the ATF qual is out.
Fun fact: flying commercial armed is not fun at all.
Good video bro. Hope all is well
Howdy! Do I understand correctly that you must be under par time for each station, or it is a DQ? That's what I think the instructions mean, but it is a little vague. Or, do you just have to be under the 33.8 total time and 5 or less misses (135 points) to pass? If you DQ by being over time in any one station, it seems the scoring weights time over accuracy as you could have up to 5 misses, be under time and still pass? It seems to me accuracy should weigh more than time. Like zero misses and under a total of 33.8 seconds or something like that? So, you could be a little over time on one station, but guarantee the hit, and be under time on other stations, also guaranteeing the hits, and as long as you're under 33.8 total seconds, you pass. What do you think? Thanks!
I would like to go through the training. It seems to be fun. In my opinion I may not get it first few times but as long as I get better each time I don’t see a problem.
Hiw low is low ready 😂?
Thank you for your videos, information and exercises!
3:55 sounds like a ricochet flying above
Strive for perfection and greet greatness😂❤. I will be checking your vids out trying to up my game.
Hey, good job, I was a FAM and would love to get hold of one of the belts to try it out.
Shoot me an email through the website
Talked to a few air marshals and FAM Prolly one of the worst federal jobs.
100% agree. They started sending some of them to the border to help with the ongoing invasion. I'm not sure how many they even have flying. I do know a lot of guys that went to that job after 09/11 but they didn't stay long. Has to be the most boring job ever.
“Prolly”…? Wtf… go hide under a rock!
What about your mom
I want to commend you for even attempting this course of fire. The pistol you use, with a red dot and a weapon light, I would think, would be difficult for an Air Marshal to carry and maintain 100% concealment at all times. I carry a plain jane RIA 1911 in .45 acp. I'm 69 now. Just carrying my 45, a spare magazine and pepper spray, can be difficult to keep hidden all the time.
I appreciate your honestly during the testing even though it’s clear you have the skill to pass. Thanks for doing this challenge!
I know some ppl that went to work for the Air Marshals. Right after 09/11 the standards were legit and the failure rate was high. What did the government do to hire more Air Marshals? They reduced the standards. When one guy I know went to work for them, I knew their standards had been lowered to a level that was a joke. Why? He was a joke and shot like $hit.
I always thought that "Low Ready" was with your arms at 45 degrees?
Would love to try that belt… Not available in Black Medium
@HC…. Kids and I got belts… Success 👍👍
Hey bud I’ve done the NRA firearms instructor qual and you’re ok at best 😂 haha good shit bro!!! Definitely gonna have to give this a try one day. Keep up the good work bro you’re killing it.
My understanding is that what you shot is the old standard. Now it's just a standard FLETC test but Air Marshal candidate have to shoot a higher score.
Link me?
Former USBorder Patrol & Federal Air Marshal (retired) here…First, Iron sights only…Snap retention holster…Low ready (FAMS standard is weapon pulled in tuck to chest low/ under chin…avoids weapons grabs by unknowns) graded on two-hands moving standard, reload at face (up and away)…nice try, but your set up and concealment are unsat! Never Forget, Never Forgive
Was that really a "low ready"? 2:57
Can you do a barrel accuracy test for the Apex barrel for the M&P 2.0 compared to OEM barrels?
He says it’s worth it if you are accurate and need to snipe with a pistol.
You are what is accurate. You think the barrel can make a difference inside 20 yards for a pistol?
@@Rubeless absolutely. If you think otherwise, you're wrong. 🤗 But I don't speak English very good so don't trust me to solicit reliable advice.
Yes! I actually have this filmed. Some of the other comments are correct. Generally if you can stack a group of shots (5-10) inside of a 1 inch paster at 10 yards then you’ll notice a difference in accuracy.
Man I'm loving my HC ccw belt. I've worn every belt type and this is hands down better than anything I've had.
You have an interesting interpretation of ‘Low Ready’
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It’s been address already
When they come down in price I may pick one up right now I carry the kore western version its Buffalo leather and than I use there stiffer nylon one for if I want more gun I'm curious how yours feels with guns and how they hold up y
Your almost double the price for gun belts so that's why I haven't pulled the trigger yet .
No more Air Marshals except those following anyone who flew to DC area J6.
Shut up
Don't air marshals use frangible ammo? Thoracic center mass with bone? With frangible ammo you have to hit abdominal center mass?
Speer gold dot in .357 sig from a 229 according to poster above. So hollow point, not frangible.
I went through training at ACY then Artesia NM. Had to qual and shoot the course a lot, Back then our jobs depended on it, of course they didn't tell you you had to pass the shooting qual until we were in ACY.
Zip it Tom
You cannot see me, I blend in! LOL🤣
The last drill was supposed to be a slide lock reload, was it not?
Sometimes my mags don’t lock depending on what followers I have in there but the slide was racked
Don't mean to bag on air marshmallows but I had to qual wearing a green uniform on the border. That qual is quite difficult, take a look. I have been invited to at least 10 other local and county leo quals... unfortunately most were pathetic. Local leo's are dangerously undertrained!
The actual target is much larger than that. It is the qit-97 target. Hits in inner bottle are 5. Outer bottle 3
For sure!
I just took the Air Marshals written test today! Can I get a belt? A good concealment belt would help me practice for quals!🤷🏻♂️
Liar
That is one tough test! Some tight time standards for such a small target at seven yards.
Hey hunter i just got my first handgun. I've shot rifles and shotguns my whole life but this pistol thing is very different for me. How do i ensure I'm not wasting my time at the range? Do i need to be doing specific drills early on or do i need to think about things a certain way?
Thanks
1:37 Air Marshal Q's have no math! So Hunter has that going for him, which is nice
About the skills for a Master/Expert in IDPA or a A/B in USPSA.
I like how you just used a used target instead of just making sure with a clean one, cardboard must be expensive there haha 😂 I keep forgetting about this drill somehow, need to run it!! Thanks man
Fr I’m just lazy and didn’t wanna walk back to my truck 😂
@@hunter-constantine based
Impressive but keep in mind FAMs have to run this course with a stock glock 19 and irons
Sheeeesh about to make go get a stock Glock 19
For almost 2 decades it was done with a stock Sig P229 chambered in 357 Sig with irons.
Dew it @@hunter-constantine
Is that a polymer frame or metal framed M&P? Looks polymer?
everything on the paper would have scored, the QIT targets are huge
I would say that low ready is 45 degrees....
I may be wrong. Your low ready looks very high.
ATF pistol qualifications are held at the A.S.P.C.A.
What shot timer are you using in this video?
Shooters global
I ran this after honest outlaw showcased this on his channel I also scored a 135
Twins 👯
After this I no longer fly Delta Airlines only Alpha Airlines 😂
Wanna go halfsies and rename it?
@@hunter-constantine why not, sounds like a cheap endeavor, honestly on my budget after buying a bunch of ammo we would have better luck buying Frontier. lol.
For some reason the tier 1 holsters sit way to far out for me
what shot timer is this?
Shooters Global
Not bad. The “low ready” your using would not be allowed. Not sure what language you speak but perhaps compressed ready would be a better representation based on your training.
I was thinking that’s the highest “low ready” I’ve ever seen!
1:46 you swept your support hand. Nah, not for me!
Camera angle
great training challenge.
What ear pro are you wearing?
Surefire plugs
Very interesting. This seems pretty difficult.
6:23 would have probably made you fail tho
Maybe, if I flagged him.
Bro I’m edging just drop it now
Simon says come now
Maybe get a girlfriend or extra fiber 🤷♂️😂 seems most here can’t speak basic middle school English for some reason haha 😂
@@joshmajor8662 bro what
@@joshmajor8662 🤓🤓🤓 is this a point of pride for you? To ad hominem insult everyone who doesn't demonstrate complete mastery of American English in a TH-cam comment? Damn us for using slang (part of the established English vernacular despite your pedantic protests)! Get thee hence!
Funny, most AM's end up drunk on the flight and in jail.
Not a bad course for a decent shooter
Good job. Subbed.
Making it look like the standard should be set higher 🙌🏻🇺🇸
You have to remember this standard is set for people who work in government.
The standards are higher. They don't run a red dot. Only iron sights.
Also I don’t believe they appendix carry, I believe at one time FAM had to wear suits when working to blend in which made them stand out and they carried at 3 or 4 o’clock , also definition of low ready is subjective. I would really like to one day have an actual Air Marshall go through the drill as was required, I would be curious to see the similarities and differences.
@@jcar1417 no
Bring me a belt to Pima USPSA next time
Save this beautiful soul, honestly idk why you don’t have 100k subs. Your channel is dope and everything you do for our community
We’re going to keep going! This train ain’t stopping!
We said the word spicy at the same time... are we suppose to celebrate this?
🌶️🌶️🌶️🌶️ yes. Yes we are
See if you can find CIA GRS qualification test. Have fun!
Do it over with iron sights. no cheating with the red dot.
The original test you had to use the following:
Sig Sauer 229 chambered in .357Sig
Target is the FBI-QIT-97
Must wear holster on the side
Must wear a cover garment and draw from concealment (a jacket)
No optics (use standard sights)
No aftermarket parts and the weapon is stock (the shooter on this video used a weapon with optics and a competition trigger)
Automatic failure if you don’t make any of the par times.
On the stages when you start with the weapon out of the holster, the weapon has to be at the modified high ready (weapon pressed up against the chest with the barrel pointed down range)
On the target the center ring is 5 points, the next outer ring is 2 points. 135 to pass with a max score of 150. 30 rounds fired.
Must be shot cold with no warm ups on the day of the test, must shoot in front of entire class alone, if you fail after 3 attempts you are basically fired so the stress level is high.
I can’t seem to find a single video on TH-cam that shows someone trying this while using the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig
YES, I did pass the original FAM TPC using the Sig 229 chambered in .357
You should make the video then
@@hunter-constantine
I don’t have to post the video because I passed it when I was hired as a FAM right after 9/11 and I had to use the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig. So I know what I am talking about. I also do not have an Sig 229 anymore and I am not about to buy one just to show you I can pass it.
The highest low ready I've ever seen in my life lol
I can go higher
The 3 shots outside of your A- box would actually be counted as 3 points each not 0. So you actually scored a 141 not 135. Nice job.
What you do not have to deal with is the stress that some of the instructors put you under. You are by yourself and not in a qualification environment. Some of the young Air Marshal instructors, are straight out of Special Ops or Former Contractors. They set up an environment to see how you perform under stress. Also you are shooting your Gucci rig, your issue weapon may have pretty poor trigger. If the Armorer says it is within spec, you are stuck with it. Still a nice video.
lol he's a USPSA Grand Master, so he's a better pistol shooter than 99.9999% of Spec Ops guys. If Air Marshalls can pass, he can pass too, stress or not.
@@algodon7424 yeah I know and competition can cause stress too. But what he was representing was not the environment that we had at FLETC. Also failure to qualify had career implications…
Funny, All them videos and not one of you doing better. Stay in your lane photographer.
@@donc7984 no argument there. Age has overtaken me, I did my stint in the barrel. “Defensive tactics” as they are called caught up with me. How many times will your joints withstand pain suppression tactics practice without injury? It used to be that 55 was the max age for federal law enforcement. I have not kept up with it. I still shoot but even gave up competition. Even in F-Class, you are expected to do pit duty. Yep lugging a camera even is a challenge, ever carried a Nikon Z9 and long lens?
Now that being said, I recently started doing hand strength exercises and general conditioning and stretching. Pistol shooting is a very perishable skill. Also I started using a green dot, I am still not as fast as I am with Irons but see that as a potential help.
Your welcome
Retired
Aced it 2001
Lol why do AM have to be under 37? You're flying around on a plane. Patrol officers can be much older and they still have to do police stuff.
Don't Air Marshalls shoot SIG 229 in 357 SIG? Different trigger action and hardier recoiling caliber is a different and more difficult challenge.
Not anymore. Glock 19/26
now.
good video but i have my doubts that you would pass using the actual 357sig ammo they are carrying.
for sure it would be an expensive attempt haha.
I have confidence I would
Feds aren't running red dods yet though, just spoke with my bud who is an air marshal the other day!
I don't know if the FAMS are, but a lot of Federal Agencies have switched to the MRDS/Red dot. As far as the FAMS there might be a concealability issue with adding a Red Dot.
So, the FBI QIT target is quite a bit bigger than your boxes. I think you wouldn't have a problem qualifying to be an air marshal. You wouldn't be able to use that pistol as someone else stated that the Glock 19 is the weapon of choice.
Negative that’s a fail! Liners are minus three!
If a GM can just qualify... that's hard core.
Try doing it with a Sig P250 or 226 no optic in 357 Sig 😉
I’d still pass
The .357 Sig is not a .44 Mag….
@@hunter-constantineA good shooter like you would have no trouble with 357 SIG on this. Do you like da/SA?
@@keithgraham9547 I’ve shot DA/SA before. Haven’t done .357 sig but I have time on 10mm
Not the original qual, they changed it to help some pass because most failed the original. 😂 that’s a fact!
100% correct.
No question you can shoot but your low ready is a bit high ready don't you think?
I’m going to remake this drawing from holster every time since everyone thinks it’s high
while he is a good shooter one thing to consider is that Air Marshals are a federal agency. And, are issued service weapons and most likely are not allowed to carry their own firearms and issued specific ammunition. So using a competition pistol is probably not going to happen for qualifications.
It’s literally a Smith and Wesson M&P9 😅
Even though I love to fly and travel....they don't pay enough to go through all the bullshit.
How much do you make?
Yaps till 2:49 when the shi& starts.
Dude, it's "Low ready", not "high ready"
Guns pointed at the bottom of the target stand…pretty standard
Also it doesn’t matter
@@hunter-constantine It should be at 45 degrees. It matters because the longer travel means that your muscles have to work just that little bit harder both to accelerate upwards and then stopping. You'd at least get a warning if you held your gun like that in the competitions I do.
@@superkjell I will run this from holster and pass all the drills.
these are all so easy...
Seems odd 37 is the age cut off..........I met a FFDO last year and he was near mandatory FAA retirement age....but, dud is lethal with weapons and hand to hand skills.
Federal mandatory retirement age is 57 so 37 and they get their 20 years full pension
@@chunt6352I think he was referring to the FFDO, who would be a pilot and talking about the mandatory pilot retirement age. Has nothing to do with the govt age restrictions or retirement for a govt. job. Air Marshals are govt employees, doing their thing as a job. FFDOs are airline pilots in their career, and volunteer for the selection process and training and recurrent training required for the FFDO program.