Tend to agree with the overall sentiment. Vertigo and Inferno need a serious overhaul or to be taken out of the pool for a bit. Let's bring back Cache and either Cobblestone or Train!
Inferno is now better and more beautiful than CS GO. This interview is done pre major or during the groups, we all saw how good Inferno is in Major's grand final.
@@cpfantastic5576 no, its bad. i can tell you don't play high level counter-strike just by that comment. they need to remove some buildings from banana and the mid. that would fix ALOT! maybe even remove the roof on t spawn so you can counter the insta ct smoke on mid. inferno atm is really ct sided by how utility goes. its easy for ct to take control with utility and hard for t's by how the buildings are set up.
@@danremirosenvinge3592 They nerfed pit and balcony which makes it more t sided and instead they added buildings to balance it and the map doesn't become too t sided. What do you want? You want to map become heavily t sided? Man you're silver, you are doing it wrong, you don't understand that the map is balanced now.
@@cpfantastic5576its way to hard to retake banana as t side atm because of these buildings. if you think the map is balanced then tell me why the PROS in this video also want change? play against some good people that know how to take control and tell me this map is balanced, cus its far from it. also you miss the point, cus i never complained about a site at all.
@@danremirosenvinge3592 b is as always vulnerable. If 1 man fall, it's over. it didn't need to get nerfed, in matter fact they should buff the b site and they did it and it's still valnurable af. Pros are humans and they have biasisms too, they are clueless here, i'm sure they have opened their eyes now.
Glad to see tuscan mentioned. I would love season to be added. There's lots of good old competitive maps (cpl_fire, russka, etc) that we haven't played since 1.6 or source
At the major they should announce the new map pool for after the next major. And change out two maps per season. You know at least one major ahead of time. We have twelve maps to play but we don't see them often enough. Inferno Mirage Nuke Overpass Vertigo Ancient Anubis Dust2 Train Cache Tuscan Cobblestone Start with 7, take out two each season.
Na majors are every 6 months thats not enough time for pro’s to get good on the map maybe every other major if you did it ever 6 months 1 of the 2 maps would always be a teams permaban
@@jakethomas1279 Besides tuscan none of these maps are new to csgo/cs2, they don't have to reinvent the wheel. You could say one map, but then it takes a bit long for some maps to return. Also once introduced it stays in it for the next 3 majors so permabanning it makes no sense, better learn it. Because the next major there is another map incoming.
Bring the most popular map in cs history, dust 2, back to map pool. Would love to see how pros play dust 2 in new cs2 at the highest level. Also cache and train
Realistically something like this imo: Ancient - MAYBE adjustments to limit insta-smokes to elbow from CT side. Anubis (Updated to favor CT side more). This can be done by making splits harder and/or give CT's better holds Nuke - Perfect map for competetive play, super hard to play/learn. Overpass (slightly adjusted in the future) Mirage(rework/update) or Cache Updated/reworked. Train, Slightly tweaked potentially. Dont want cases of being able to smoke both Olof and gap for example with 1 smoke. New Map: Can be Tuscan - Not a fan of the Thera map. Could bring back a former map aswell like Cobblestone (Personal favorite if mine) if they can fix it from the rework. So Basically updates to existing maps and definetly -Vertigo and -Inferno (in the current state, it feels terrible imo).o:
Train, Cache, Tuscan, Overpass, Nuke, Anubis and ancient is perfect to me as a viewer. Im glad some pros seem to like tuscan too. Its unironically one of my fav maps rn
Everybody has many fond memories of Aztec, but as I understand it it's not viable for competitive play and that's how Ancient was born - same theme with a competitive map layout.
@@mareklisy2137But wasnt the 1.6 version of aztec much better than this completly ct sided csgo version before they removed it? As long as i remember, it was a great map to play in 1.6. The rest are cs maps, so they are not rly in a good spot to be played at a major 😅
I have another idea. Put seasonal map pools, or change certain maps according to a certain time period. Example: Mirage, Dust II, Inferno, Nuke and Vertigo as perennial maps; Ancient, Train, Cache, Anubis and Cobble as seasonal maps. You could even let the championships add to the pool new maps like hostage selections or community-mades, or old ones like Aztec and Dust I. It would be way more fun!
I don't think Valve gonna bring Tuscan back. The community have been crying for Tuscan over years and once they finally managed to get an agreement with the map owner - it became the least played map in csgo
Cache before the change, train and cobblestone all need to come back at least for us normal players if they dont want to put them in the competitive pool. We used to have so many maps.
I wish we could just consistently swap out 1 map after each major so it doesn't get so stale. Mirage, Overpass and Inferno in particular has gotten pretty stale after playing them 500 times.
@@clubmoodvibes of course i know. But the mapper Just finished the new Version 1 year ago. Did you mean this one ? Also there are leaks about source 2 version
Great points here. Inferno is a fantastic layout and a great map in general conceptually, but most top tier pros seem to be in agreement that the new version is not very good which is a fair statement. But to remove it would destroy the map pool. It needs some major updates
I can share the same opinion with those who suggested to remove INF and VTG, I don't like Train too (I played 1 single match on this map in my life), maybe Tuscan is a good option and Cache too
Step 1: Remove Vertigo, Add visually updated Cache. Step 2: Remove Inferno, Add reworked and visually updated Cobblestone. Step 3: Remove Mirage, Add back in slightly reworked Inferno. Future: Eventually remove Cobblestone again, Add in a completely new map, maybe Thera? Something completely fresh. Final Pool would then be; > Ancient > Anubis > Cache (updated) > Cobblestone (reworked & updated) > Inferno (slightly reworked) > Nuke > Overpass Relegated Maps; > Mirage is now a classic just like Dust2, it cannot be reworked without losing it's identity so it needs to go. > Train is so fucked to both play on and watch that you may as well create an entirely new map to make it viable and enjoyable. Just be rid of it. > Vertigo could be reworked and added back in but I just don't think it's worth the work if you're planning on adding in a fresh new map from the community. > Cobblestone would be my pick to then remove again to make way for a completely new map.
I feel bad for the inferno update because you see how much work they put into it. But the map was in the pool all the time and some things need at least a change. I'm completely with karrigan here. Update inferno and remove vertigo and put in tuscan.
They are right. Inferno was insanely good on csgo and now it’s so shit freaking roofs Everywhere, they removed so many good spots and angles like valve is so clueless. Literally idk why they feel the need to make it look equally as dusty and shitty like mirage and dust2 :(
Firstly, increase the size of the map pool from 7 to 10. Then you can do different stuff with it. Personally: -anubis; inferno (for a rework); ancient when new inferno's out +cache; cbble; train; dust2; Tuscan (one can dream) So final map pool is: Mirage; Nuke; Overpass; Vertigo; Cache; Cbble; Train; Dust2; Tuscan; Inferno when reworked (ancient until then)
Finally a good comment here. I am sad, that no Pro said, that they have to increase the map pool to 9 or 11 maps. (You need an odd number for ban and picks). I would say that 9 is a good number. Also liked that Karrigan and Frozen thinked out off the box and mentioned Tuscan. Was a good map back in the days and there exist so many good maps in the workshop.
@@krisb_aoe i agree with you on a possibility of a totally new map, but to say "let's delete map X and add some new map" is too vague to be actually actionable.
I'd love to see Cache Dust 2 Train Cobblestone Tuscan Santorini Season I really don't like the current map pool, it would be great to see any of those maps, but changing it one by one just makes the remaining maps even more stale
Almost all the map have some MID actions apart from nuke and inferno, but nuke made up with outdoors which has seen a lot of actions as well. Inferno have big chunk of map but see little actions apart from ct pushing (which CT have no reasons for push) and taking A is very awkward. It happened at tournament when the commentators commented its a 50/50 guess
Notice how almost all of the pros said to remove either inferno/mirage/vertigo and replace it with cobble/train/cache? Instead of that we get -overpass and +dust2 🤡🤡🤡
I think they should just rotate the maps quicker; maybe swap out one or two per 6 months. Sure it is maybe not great for the pros, but I think for the viewers it would be so nice.
damn nobody suggesting season makes me sad, but I guess it was mostly played in NA and hasn't been in pro play for around 10 years so I get it. imo old inferno>cobble>season>train>cache>tuscan for this
The only thing I really hate about CS2 is that the official mappool is for us casuals also very relevant and important because nowadays only the Premier Rank is important and nobody cares about the regular MM anymore. I want Cache back like most of the players but I would also love to play on Train, Cobblestone and I wish Dust2 would come back in the official mappool aswell. Its a shame that the most famous, most balanced and legendary map in gaming history isnt played anymore. But at the same time I obviously also want to see new maps like Tuscan. So Valve actually removes our choice of maps we can play. No one cares about regular MM with the old Ranksystem anymore. So if I want to play on Dust2, it feels like Im playing an unranked game of Dust2 because this rank is not relevant anymore and most people dont even use their mic anymore. By removing the ability to give the players their own choice which map they want to play and make Ranked more competitiv again because Valve hates "One Map only" Players, they also made every single map which is not in the Premier Mappool useless. Even if Valve would add Cobblestone and Train so we could play them on regular MM, people would just not care about that anymore. They would play it a few times and after that they will leave the map for good. This is stupid and boring. This was already a thing I didnt like on Valorant and now I have to deal with this on CS aswell. I personally think that Valve really f*cked up with CS2. I still like the game and without cheaters I would like it even more but this is something I really just dont like about CS2.
@@lodevandenberg5361 Ancient is basically new Aztec (theme-wise). Aztec was disgustingly CT sided I remember playing public server back in cs source without team balance on. So me and my friends told all CTs to go T side and we held both sides 5 vs 15. No chance :D Good old days man
@@tayonic5499 I backspaced ancient/train literally 5 times before i hit enter hahahaha, good call. Trains my personal fav but I just wanna see ancient develop with time kinda like overpass before i just auto merk it
Abbey Basalt Overpass Ancient Anubis Grind Nuke Would be banging. Let us have Mocha and Autria back in the casual pool and for heavens sake bring Rialto and Guard back to wingman.
We need more maps that require map control: OP, nuke an train. Removing inferno or vertigo but then adding another 3 lane aim map cache makes no sense.
The one downside to Counter Strike is how fucking long Valve take to change maps. I feel like at least 1 brand new map or 1 map pool rotation a year. Instead we have to wait fucking YEARS. It pushes me away from the game because I become bored playing the same maps over and over
I am probably the only one who loves inferno blindly. I always loved it from 1.5 till now even tho in the early years of CS:GO it was unplayable. Inferno does not need a rework it needs some buildings to be removed and to open a bit of space on it.
love the tuscan calls because i absolutely would love for it to be in comp pool so it has more players loved that map in source and when it was in csgo for the small amount of time before cs2 i qued the livin shit out of it. plus aint it owned by valve now so why aint it in cs2 gah damnit
To be honest I'm glad they fucked Inferno up because now it get's played way less and I didn't actually like it before LOL. I feel like everyone thinks they can play it, but no one really can. In pugs, if "fast banana", "hold for push" or "apps pop" doesn't work then people are just lost.
Mirage needs a change specifically on site B it is horrible with apps being terrible to play through as a t maybe adding a latch door or vent so you can climb under pass to ladder would help as once the push is heard on B it’s just smoke Molly and they a cross fire from arches and bench or cat and window hold
Ppl shy away from inferno just cause the update, I feel if they remove it people will miss it, cause I sure as hell will, just fix most of the current maps. - vertigo - mirage -overpass, +train +tuscan +cache And zont1x makes a good point, it seems like when Valve updates a map they ruin it, so it's hard to say if these map changes would even be good
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“train so i can abuse second awp” hahahahah i miss train so much but this shit is so true. please rework train and add it back. shit was so much fun
Train is reworked i believe. they showed it off in the cs2 trailer
Train such a classicer when i watched CS 1.6 E-Sport as kid! Always the best games was on train.
i hope its will be hard games on train(hope its be better then new nuke
Tend to agree with the overall sentiment. Vertigo and Inferno need a serious overhaul or to be taken out of the pool for a bit. Let's bring back Cache and either Cobblestone or Train!
Inferno is now better and more beautiful than CS GO. This interview is done pre major or during the groups, we all saw how good Inferno is in Major's grand final.
@@cpfantastic5576 no, its bad. i can tell you don't play high level counter-strike just by that comment. they need to remove some buildings from banana and the mid. that would fix ALOT! maybe even remove the roof on t spawn so you can counter the insta ct smoke on mid.
inferno atm is really ct sided by how utility goes. its easy for ct to take control with utility and hard for t's by how the buildings are set up.
@@danremirosenvinge3592 They nerfed pit and balcony which makes it more t sided and instead they added buildings to balance it and the map doesn't become too t sided. What do you want? You want to map become heavily t sided? Man you're silver, you are doing it wrong, you don't understand that the map is balanced now.
@@cpfantastic5576its way to hard to retake banana as t side atm because of these buildings.
if you think the map is balanced then tell me why the PROS in this video also want change?
play against some good people that know how to take control and tell me this map is balanced, cus its far from it.
also you miss the point, cus i never complained about a site at all.
@@danremirosenvinge3592 b is as always vulnerable. If 1 man fall, it's over. it didn't need to get nerfed, in matter fact they should buff the b site and they did it and it's still valnurable af. Pros are humans and they have biasisms too, they are clueless here, i'm sure they have opened their eyes now.
Old cobblestone, train and cache would go so fucking crazy
cache would be amazing to have back loved it in csgo
they should remove or change up the ct window on mid.
Cache is boring, train, cobble or tuscan are much better
@@gd-santos cache is boring? how
@@lad4830 One smoke on A or molly full B and repeat either for 25 rounds. How amazing to play
@@askyeyv7039Cache already is in CS. It's called Ancient
Glad to see tuscan mentioned. I would love season to be added. There's lots of good old competitive maps (cpl_fire, russka, etc) that we haven't played since 1.6 or source
Season is very underrated!
FR! I completely forgot about Tuscan but when he mentioned I had the biggest smile on my face. Thats classic cs to me
@@ligghtIf you wanna talk classic CS, we need to bring back
Mill
Fire
Strike
1.6 train (100% better)
1.5 inferno
@@fredrike3607 cpl_mill is basically tuscan with a different theme.
@@viniciuscmaia Nah, its a re-worked mill with massive differences. Its like saying Ancient and Anubis are the same but with a different theme
Magisk and magixx need a whole video just for them
Cache is probably the most entertaining map for me both as a viewer and as a player. Just love that map. Hope they bring it back.
At the major they should announce the new map pool for after the next major. And change out two maps per season. You know at least one major ahead of time. We have twelve maps to play but we don't see them often enough.
Inferno
Mirage
Nuke
Overpass
Vertigo
Ancient
Anubis
Dust2
Train
Cache
Tuscan
Cobblestone
Start with 7, take out two each season.
Agree!! We need a new map pool after every major, changing two maps!
Na majors are every 6 months thats not enough time for pro’s to get good on the map maybe every other major if you did it ever 6 months 1 of the 2 maps would always be a teams permaban
@@jakethomas1279 Besides tuscan none of these maps are new to csgo/cs2, they don't have to reinvent the wheel.
You could say one map, but then it takes a bit long for some maps to return.
Also once introduced it stays in it for the next 3 majors so permabanning it makes no sense, better learn it. Because the next major there is another map incoming.
+rep
And let the winning team choose the next 7 maps to be played
-mirage +cache, pug map for another pug map. -overpass +train/something more new that's rather tactical and we're good to go
legendary interview from magixx
now i want to play permaban too
Siuhy's English is perfect. Give him a few years and he's got the chance of becoming the best IGL in the world.
Iirc he studied in Ireland
-karrigan +siuhy to FaZe and move karrigan to assistant coach to Neo.
@@wayleygg are you trying to kill mouz? mouz can’t afford to lose another young talent to faze 😭
@@imalemon3841 mouz likes giving players to faze ;) karrigan, ropz, frozen next might be siuhy in future
@@piwel017 you forgot NiKo
Bring the most popular map in cs history, dust 2, back to map pool. Would love to see how pros play dust 2 in new cs2 at the highest level. Also cache and train
it's like you knew about it beforehand
Realistically something like this imo:
Ancient - MAYBE adjustments to limit insta-smokes to elbow from CT side.
Anubis (Updated to favor CT side more). This can be done by making splits harder and/or give CT's better holds
Nuke - Perfect map for competetive play, super hard to play/learn.
Overpass (slightly adjusted in the future)
Mirage(rework/update) or Cache Updated/reworked.
Train, Slightly tweaked potentially. Dont want cases of being able to smoke both Olof and gap for example with 1 smoke.
New Map: Can be Tuscan - Not a fan of the Thera map. Could bring back a former map aswell like Cobblestone (Personal favorite if mine) if they can fix it from the rework.
So Basically updates to existing maps and definetly -Vertigo and -Inferno (in the current state, it feels terrible imo).o:
Just slap a roof over CT Spawn on ancient and all the insta smokes are "fixed" :)
good opinion
Would like to see old Santorini. Don't like the B spot change on Therme
elbow smoke aint even all that, not every pro team uses it and its for a reason
@@Jasaellbomba agreed more so for pugs
Train, Cache, Tuscan, Overpass, Nuke, Anubis and ancient is perfect to me as a viewer. Im glad some pros seem to like tuscan too. Its unironically one of my fav maps rn
If Cobble, then the old one. The updated Global Offensive one was terrible, the A site was so bad
- mirage + dust2
- vertigo + train
- Inferno (update)
+ Old Cache
+ Old Cobble
Cobble is garbage in general but really fun.
I don't think Mirage will ever be reworked, 99.9% of Lvl10s would drop down to lvl 5 lol they would make a riot
Lol
I'm not a pro, but I miss the forgotten classics like Aztec, Militia, Office, and Italy.
Everybody has many fond memories of Aztec, but as I understand it it's not viable for competitive play and that's how Ancient was born - same theme with a competitive map layout.
@@mareklisy2137But wasnt the 1.6 version of aztec much better than this completly ct sided csgo version before they removed it? As long as i remember, it was a great map to play in 1.6.
The rest are cs maps, so they are not rly in a good spot to be played at a major 😅
I have another idea. Put seasonal map pools, or change certain maps according to a certain time period.
Example: Mirage, Dust II, Inferno, Nuke and Vertigo as perennial maps; Ancient, Train, Cache, Anubis and Cobble as seasonal maps.
You could even let the championships add to the pool new maps like hostage selections or community-mades, or old ones like Aztec and Dust I.
It would be way more fun!
Would love to see 9 map pool. Train and Tuscan as the two new maps. Im not big fan of mirage or inferno, so maybe change them to cache and/or cbble.
I don't think Valve gonna bring Tuscan back. The community have been crying for Tuscan over years and once they finally managed to get an agreement with the map owner - it became the least played map in csgo
@@funserious2632Because it sucked in CSGO tbh. It was built for 1.6, but didnt get a good enough overhaul for CSGO
Cache before the change, train and cobblestone all need to come back at least for us normal players if they dont want to put them in the competitive pool. We used to have so many maps.
I wish we could just consistently swap out 1 map after each major so it doesn't get so stale.
Mirage, Overpass and Inferno in particular has gotten pretty stale after playing them 500 times.
Cbble, Train, Cache, Inferno, Mirage, Overpass and Nuke was CSGO's golden era. I miss those times.
- mirage + dust2
- vertigo + train
- Inferno (update)
+ Old Cache
+ Old Cobble
perfect balance bro.
what's 9 maps, that could be a bit too much
🤡
Train has always been my favourite nice to see so many pros give it love.
I'd love to see a reworked Tuscan as well! Was the home map of my old team and we had such a great time back then. A dream would come true.
Bro it just got released 6 month before cs2. How much rework Ou want :D ?
@@juliankono3055 Just not true. Tuscan was even in CS 1.6. Better inform yourself before talking nonsense.
@@clubmoodvibes of course i know. But the mapper Just finished the new Version 1 year ago. Did you mean this one ? Also there are leaks about source 2 version
Vertigo has always been trash and always will be. After a single game of vertigo I just have lay down because I don't want to play cs anymore
Great points here. Inferno is a fantastic layout and a great map in general conceptually, but most top tier pros seem to be in agreement that the new version is not very good which is a fair statement. But to remove it would destroy the map pool. It needs some major updates
magixx is a G
COMPETITIVE 5v5:
1. Aztec II
2. Cache
3. Train II
4. Mirage II
5. Anubis
6. Dust III
7. Cobblestone II
HOSTAGE:
1. Insertion II
WINGMAN:
1. Hive
karrigan wants nothing to do with inferno anymore LUL
? Did you even watch the video
This will come off as a rude statement (I'm so sorry) but siuhy looks like sid from ice age.
Agree with Magisk. Mirage needs an update. It feels so old with those shitty textures and boxy architecure.
I can share the same opinion with those who suggested to remove INF and VTG, I don't like Train too (I played 1 single match on this map in my life), maybe Tuscan is a good option and Cache too
Step 1: Remove Vertigo, Add visually updated Cache.
Step 2: Remove Inferno, Add reworked and visually updated Cobblestone.
Step 3: Remove Mirage, Add back in slightly reworked Inferno.
Future: Eventually remove Cobblestone again, Add in a completely new map, maybe Thera? Something completely fresh.
Final Pool would then be;
> Ancient
> Anubis
> Cache (updated)
> Cobblestone (reworked & updated)
> Inferno (slightly reworked)
> Nuke
> Overpass
Relegated Maps;
> Mirage is now a classic just like Dust2, it cannot be reworked without losing it's identity so it needs to go.
> Train is so fucked to both play on and watch that you may as well create an entirely new map to make it viable and enjoyable. Just be rid of it.
> Vertigo could be reworked and added back in but I just don't think it's worth the work if you're planning on adding in a fresh new map from the community.
> Cobblestone would be my pick to then remove again to make way for a completely new map.
I feel bad for the inferno update because you see how much work they put into it. But the map was in the pool all the time and some things need at least a change. I'm completely with karrigan here. Update inferno and remove vertigo and put in tuscan.
I would expand ladder room from mirage. Make it cross into market and then relocate underpass. Make underpass start on T side mid up to mid cat.
inferno, cache, mirage, dust2, tuscan, train, nuke - perfect pool
They are right. Inferno was insanely good on csgo and now it’s so shit freaking roofs Everywhere, they removed so many good spots and angles like valve is so clueless. Literally idk why they feel the need to make it look equally as dusty and shitty like mirage and dust2 :(
Firstly, increase the size of the map pool from 7 to 10. Then you can do different stuff with it. Personally:
-anubis; inferno (for a rework); ancient when new inferno's out
+cache; cbble; train; dust2; Tuscan (one can dream)
So final map pool is:
Mirage; Nuke; Overpass; Vertigo; Cache; Cbble; Train; Dust2; Tuscan; Inferno when reworked (ancient until then)
- mirage + dust2
- vertigo + train
- Inferno (update)
+ Old Cache
+ Old Cobble
Finally a good comment here. I am sad, that no Pro said, that they have to increase the map pool to 9 or 11 maps. (You need an odd number for ban and picks). I would say that 9 is a good number. Also liked that Karrigan and Frozen thinked out off the box and mentioned Tuscan. Was a good map back in the days and there exist so many good maps in the workshop.
@@krisb_aoe same. also with that we should have a guarenteed BO5 final every time and maybe even in quaters and semis
@@krisb_aoe i agree with you on a possibility of a totally new map, but to say "let's delete map X and add some new map" is too vague to be actually actionable.
@@krisb_aoe karrigan has been obsessed with getting Tuscan back for a long time. and frozen was probably infected by karrigan.
Se for para voltar a train tem que escolherem porque saiu porque era o mapa menos escolhido
I'd love to see
Cache
Dust 2
Train
Cobblestone
Tuscan
Santorini
Season
I really don't like the current map pool, it would be great to see any of those maps, but changing it one by one just makes the remaining maps even more stale
Karrigan is so right about Vertigo haha
Thank god someone finally understands how bad vertigo is .
Almost all the map have some MID actions apart from nuke and inferno, but nuke made up with outdoors which has seen a lot of actions as well.
Inferno have big chunk of map but see little actions apart from ct pushing (which CT have no reasons for push) and taking A is very awkward. It happened at tournament when the commentators commented its a 50/50 guess
Notice how almost all of the pros said to remove either inferno/mirage/vertigo and replace it with cobble/train/cache? Instead of that we get -overpass and +dust2 🤡🤡🤡
I think they should just rotate the maps quicker; maybe swap out one or two per 6 months. Sure it is maybe not great for the pros, but I think for the viewers it would be so nice.
damn nobody suggesting season makes me sad, but I guess it was mostly played in NA and hasn't been in pro play for around 10 years so I get it. imo old inferno>cobble>season>train>cache>tuscan for this
The only thing I really hate about CS2 is that the official mappool is for us casuals also very relevant and important because nowadays only the Premier Rank is important and nobody cares about the regular MM anymore. I want Cache back like most of the players but I would also love to play on Train, Cobblestone and I wish Dust2 would come back in the official mappool aswell. Its a shame that the most famous, most balanced and legendary map in gaming history isnt played anymore. But at the same time I obviously also want to see new maps like Tuscan. So Valve actually removes our choice of maps we can play. No one cares about regular MM with the old Ranksystem anymore. So if I want to play on Dust2, it feels like Im playing an unranked game of Dust2 because this rank is not relevant anymore and most people dont even use their mic anymore.
By removing the ability to give the players their own choice which map they want to play and make Ranked more competitiv again because Valve hates "One Map only" Players, they also made every single map which is not in the Premier Mappool useless. Even if Valve would add Cobblestone and Train so we could play them on regular MM, people would just not care about that anymore. They would play it a few times and after that they will leave the map for good. This is stupid and boring.
This was already a thing I didnt like on Valorant and now I have to deal with this on CS aswell. I personally think that Valve really f*cked up with CS2. I still like the game and without cheaters I would like it even more but this is something I really just dont like about CS2.
I think cache and train would be something fresh in cs cybersport, additionally,
cobblestone or Aztec would be something experimental
Nah Aztec should never see the light of day again. To make Aztec viable just make a whole new map with the same theme that would be fine.
@@lodevandenberg5361 Ancient is basically new Aztec (theme-wise). Aztec was disgustingly CT sided I remember playing public server back in cs source without team balance on. So me and my friends told all CTs to go T side and we held both sides 5 vs 15. No chance :D Good old days man
- mirage + dust2
- inferno + train
- overpass + cache/cobbl
- mirage would kill the game. There are more mirage onetricks than people who play all maps.
@@lad4830 That is the problem. People have to learn to play the other maps. Mirage is always the same boring plays,
- mirage + dust2
- vertigo + train
- Inferno (update)
+ Old Cache
+ Old Cobble
why we need to remove maps? why not just add some new maps to active pool?
@@_mcd Mirage is definition of CS. Mirage IS CS. That won't change. Dust II was for low elo / ranks what mirage is to high elo / ranks
Remove Ancient, Anubis, Vertigo, Nuke and Mirage.
Put in Tuscan, Cache, Train, Dust 2 and Cobblestone.
Re-work Inferno (just go back to the old one).
Psycho opinions.
The biggest change to mirage in 10 years was a bench prop in middle.
Get it out of here.
Put in Train, not cache.
Perfect map pool.
Ancient Anubis Mirage Nuke Overpass Cache Tuscan
done.
Forgot train over ancient
@@tayonic5499 I backspaced ancient/train literally 5 times before i hit enter hahahaha, good call. Trains my personal fav but I just wanna see ancient develop with time kinda like overpass before i just auto merk it
- mirage + dust2
- vertigo + train
- Inferno (update)
+ Old Cache
+ Old Cobble
Agreed on all points, but can we keep the new cbble where you can solo boost drop? Keep the old A site/everything else from old cbbl.
Well done
Abbey
Basalt
Overpass
Ancient
Anubis
Grind
Nuke
Would be banging. Let us have Mocha and Autria back in the casual pool and for heavens sake bring Rialto and Guard back to wingman.
Lol all these nerds wanting old maps back. Losers.
-mirage and vertigo +cache, tuscan and maybe cobble😁
surprised nobody has mentioned season. used to love that map, would love to see it back at some point.
Perfect map pool :
Train
Overpass
Cache
Inferno
Nuke
Ancient
Anubis
A new map
-Vertigo -Overpass +Cache +Train also -inferno
Glad to see the pros agree that Inferno was ruined in cs2. Why did they waste time reworking it, just port it like mirage...
We need more maps that require map control: OP, nuke an train. Removing inferno or vertigo but then adding another 3 lane aim map cache makes no sense.
We Need Train, Cache and Cbble back!!! Dust 2, Mirage, Anubis or Ancient, Tuscan is nice as well
Anubis, ancient, cache, nuke, tuscan, train, cbble
The one downside to Counter Strike is how fucking long Valve take to change maps. I feel like at least 1 brand new map or 1 map pool rotation a year. Instead we have to wait fucking YEARS. It pushes me away from the game because I become bored playing the same maps over and over
Contra, cobble, tuscan, cache, cpl_fire, russka, train, and something new
Mirage: Connect A ramp with upper mid for faster rotation.
Inferno: re-work middle and second mid
Ancient+Anubis: remove water…
i would remove anubis and add tuscan, remove mirage and add dust 2 and finally remove nuke for cache
I am probably the only one who loves inferno blindly. I always loved it from 1.5 till now even tho in the early years of CS:GO it was unplayable. Inferno does not need a rework it needs some buildings to be removed and to open a bit of space on it.
+cache -anubis
+Train -vertigo
+Cobble - inferno
- vertigo -ancient +pool_day +train
-Vertigo + Tuscan
-New Inferno + CS GO Inferno
love the tuscan calls because i absolutely would love for it to be in comp pool so it has more players loved that map in source and when it was in csgo for the small amount of time before cs2 i qued the livin shit out of it. plus aint it owned by valve now so why aint it in cs2 gah damnit
There is something magical in Cache, bring it back please
Who remembers de_season? It was fun to play.
I miss cobble. Only reason I’m still playing is my hope for them to add it back
I am surprised that noone criticized Nuke. I find Nuke and Inferno the hardest to play
I'd do
-inferno
-mirage
-ancient
+Cobblestone
+Cache
+Train
Would love to see train back. Cs 2 needs more maps to choose from.
-ancient, anubis, vertigo
+cache, dust2, cobblestone(before the halloween update)
I feel sad knowing none of these will probably happen within 3 years
Everytime i see Magisk talking it feels like i have already seen this Video
-inferno -vertigo +train +cache and we will have the best map pool ever
Ancient, Inferno and Vertigo should be replaced by Cache, Cobblestone and Dust
- anubis + de_cpl_mill
- overpass + cache
- vertigo + train
Nuke
Train
Overpass
Mirage (rework)
Dust II
Inferno (rework)
Tuscan
To be honest I'm glad they fucked Inferno up because now it get's played way less and I didn't actually like it before LOL.
I feel like everyone thinks they can play it, but no one really can. In pugs, if "fast banana", "hold for push" or "apps pop" doesn't work then people are just lost.
Make the map Pool 9 maps instead of 7, get rid of mirage or inferno :) and add back cobble, cache, train and replace ancient with Aztec
zontix map pool would be perfect
Mirage needs a change specifically on site B it is horrible with apps being terrible to play through as a t maybe adding a latch door or vent so you can climb under pass to ladder would help as once the push is heard on B it’s just smoke Molly and they a cross fire from arches and bench or cat and window hold
As a person who only started playing CS since CS2 release, I don't understand the hate for Inferno. What made CSGO Inferno different than cs2 Inferno?
Ancient✅️
Anubis❌️Train✅️
Inferno❌️( or bring the CS 1.6 version back) Cache✅️
Mirage❌️ (or update it) Cobblestone ✅️
Nuke✅️
Overpass❌️ Tuscan✅️
Vertigo❌️ Dust 2✅️
been saying for months it’s time for infero and mirage to take steps away while we bring back a cache cobble or train again
Train, Tuscan, or another new Cobblestone. (Just give us the old one.)
Siuhy looks like a alien lmfao
- vertigo, mirage, inferno. +mill, russka, season
Ppl shy away from inferno just cause the update, I feel if they remove it people will miss it, cause I sure as hell will, just fix most of the current maps. - vertigo - mirage -overpass, +train +tuscan +cache And zont1x makes a good point, it seems like when Valve updates a map they ruin it, so it's hard to say if these map changes would even be good
People shy away from inferno because the new inferno is complete dogshit. It's cluttered, looks terrible and plays like shit.
@@Kajuk I know, just fix it, still a good map at its core
Cobble was the map everyone loved. First they cut a piece of it and then compeletly remove it. Why?
Honestly it would be a really grest thing if they bring back original cobble original inferno
BEST(DUST 2, CACHE, TRAIN, COBBLESTONE) OPTIONAL (ANCIENT, ANUBIS, MIRAGE); HATE (OVERPASS, NUKE, INFERNO)
i really hope we get a rework for season so its more simple. like the old one. IT wold be goated
magixx cooked hard, might have even overcooked