Ranting about Terrible Characters for 14 minutes - Haida
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They did Haida dirty in season 4. Are the writers so afraid that Retsuko and Haida getting together would end the series? They could've put more focus on their coworkers and their relationships if they're out of ideas.
Also them getting together would definitely allow for a TON more Charcater Development for both of them dealing with this new relationship like bruh.
It's like Bojack said. You can't have everyone be happy, because there's always more show.
I don't want them together and I honestly don't care for Haida.
@@purkle200 I don't care for Retsuko or Haida
Going to be honest, I don’t even get why someone would be interested in retsuko the longer I watched the series, and I only kept up with the first two seasons so o don’t even know how bad they both get in full.
Still mad that Inui was done dirty like that. They pretty much introduced her just to make her a scapegoat to force a Haida and Retsuko relationship. I wanted Haida to be happy at first but now I just can't care what happens to him at this point
do japanese series do that a lot right? hoping public is stupid enough to stick around
@@alwaysangry2232 Depends if it's a good or bad isekai/harem anime?
God I just wanted him to fall in love with Inui and move on from Retsuko so much. Unrequited love happens. But then they dragged it on and on even when Retsuko rejected him after like 3 confessions...and made him go thru a moving on arc but reverted it at the end of s3
Haida my guy I was rooting for you two to get together the first 2 seasons.
But jesus fuck this is really pathetic to watch now. Bro please have things and interests in your life that is not revolving around Retsuko this is codependency now.
Sad how this Disclaimer at 0:05 has to be made...
...Ah, whatever. I just wanted to say: For anyone like Manga Kamen,
including himself of course, who wonder about Work and how it (excuse the following Pun) WORKS nowadays,
i recommend 'Some More News' recent video about 'Work'.
It might be awful but it was pretty real for his type of character People really suffer like this and then they constantly make the same mistakes over and over again even when they’re presented an with escape
So basically, the writers failed at finishing what they started and did illogical resets rather than a satisfying conclusion to arcs. Sucks honestly.
Pretty much
Me: (laughs in Fenneko voice)
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sadly, this is more common that one would expect.
Let them fail
"I'm not saying season 4 of Aggretsuko was bad."
I am. I'm DEFINITELY saying that. It was awful.
lol
That's what I heard too sadly
@@brainrich1358 It's what I sadly saw
Strong disagree.
@@Mangakamen Also, just realized the reason why Retsuko got over 1 million subs is because she was a pop idol who performed infront of a large stadium who also dated one of the most famous tech giants in their world and barley hid her identity and was well known on the news. Yeah, she is basically a celebrity that decide to make a TH-cam channel.
I think the main issue with Aggretsuko is that its too afraid to go past the status quo when it comes to its writing/characters, and so whenever the characters show any hint of growth it’ll just have them revert back in the end in order to keep said status quo. This hurts Haida the most since his obsession with Retsuko was fine and even somewhat adorkable at first, but for him to just keep defaulting back to it instead of actually moving on and doing something better with his life, it just gets frustrating and borderline creepy. It’s a shame too since Aggretsuko is a solid show that actually tackles some pretty serious issues, but its inability to change is what overall impacts the later seasons.
Which is what exactly happens in season 4. And I would argue that characters return back to a status quo but not the same status quo. The status quo has been constantly changing but not the core aspects except this most recent season.
@@mangamandrew Season 4 tried to change the status quo, but imo it did so poorly since it just put the characters in new scenarios and was still afraid to give them proper development, especially with Haida.
@@amirgarcia547 yeah, Except for the fact that characters did get proper development such as Retsuko, Haida, Ton, and Kabae. And Haida definitely gets developed because and the end of the season, he quit his job on his own accord.
I stopped watch after season 3
The ending of season 3 completely killed any interest in the show for me because to it was the third time they pulled that reset and it showed me that the writers will never gives these characters a good resolution or evolve them
Retsuko will never be happy and Haida....well you've watched the video
@@hinnelia23 But her is the thing, it was not a hard reset. They went back to their daily routine but a lot has changed from the first episode to season 4. Characters grew and changed. New characters either stayed around, left completely, or come back to play a bigger role in the next season. Just because nothing huge changed does not mean that there was no changes.
Fenneko is the star of that show regardless of what the tittle card says.
This is true.
I could not agree more, I wish they would use her more.
That's an odd way of saying Washimi :P
@@IceQueen975 She is a good Deuterogonist
Wrong it’s Anai I love the angry goblin man
Haida is so down bad, that even Mordecai would feel sorry for him.
Mordechai has at least options, Haida just passively burns them when Retsuko is around
Even though mordecai was down horrendous (killing rigby). At the very minimum he went through a few relationships and was able to settle down with someone else while marget got her own life instead of following the status quo of getting the girl cuz he's the main character.
@@Lonewolf360gaming True but also, he timed those relationships of his own accord because he was not ready to be in a relationship because he was not over Margaret. The problem CJ did not work was because he still had lingering feelings for Margret. This is also seen with Haida and would end in a worst situation because he still was not over Restsiko because everyone was telling him to date Inui except him.
"That's rough buddy"
- Fire Lord Zuko
Kazuya (Rent-a-Girlfriend) is a thousand times worse than either of them... just shooting that out there.
Fun fact: Ben Diskin, who does the English voice for Haida, also does the voice for Jack from Beastars *and* Shirou Ogami from Brand New Animal. Dude has the the Good Boy market cornered.
Don't forget Joseph Joestar from Jojo Part 2 only, both Numbah 1 and Numbuh 2 from Kids Next Door, and Ban from Seven Deadly Sins.
@@Nomadman903 oh snap
To this day I still have no idea how he did Numbuh 2
He also did Eddie Brock/Venom from the Spectacular Spiderman cartoon
@@Nomadman903 Also Lorenz and Caspar in Fire Emblem Three Houses (my favorite GD and BE boys respectively).
I honestly really disliked how the Tadano/Retsko relationship ended. Yeah, Tadano didn't want to get married and have kids and that was a dealbreaker for her, but it felt like that was only ever brought up once, and it was clear Tadano didn't understand how bit of a deal that was to her. If the issue had been brought up several times and portrayed as a firmer roadblock, it woulda made sense, but the only time she definitively tells him her issues is when she breaks up with him - and honestly it feels like the initial airing of grievances shoulda been the start of potential relationship building - not the end of it. Especially given that Tadano seemed to genuinely care about her and want the best for her... I just didn't buy that the relationship was UNSALVAGEABLE.
The thing that irked me the most was when she said that she wanted to keep working because she loved her job... despite the fact that the ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE SHOW is that her job is a toxic environment shes trying to escape. It really felt like they just wanted to reset her to the status quo, but it felt like such a rushed way to do it.
...this is only tangentially relevant to Haida but dangit mentioning the donkey boy reminds me how I still feel he was done dirty too.
Then Retsuko goes and see him without telling Haida, setting off his insecurities again.
I don't think the problem was just her job. Honestly, I always thought Tadano was way too much of a free-spirit and a dreamer to be with someone like Retsuko. They are good friends, but I can't picture them sharing any goals.
@@askatuproductions I understand them not being good matches for each other, just the way they went about showing that narratively was sloppy, I feel. They were too hasty to hit that status quo reset button imo.
She literally said how getting married was important to her and he said that's just not something he wanted. It was a healthy break up and realistic. Some people are childfree and never want to get married while others do want that. And it just won't work for people with those two different wants in life. I think their relationship was the most healthy and realistic displays of relationships and mutual breakups.
Not to mention, they never did discuss the issues Retsuko had. The time she brought it up was when she was breaking up with him but...consider.
They're in their early twenties. They don't need to get married so quickly, let alone have kiddos. I feel like if Retsuko and Tadano had a more even discussion on the matter, maybe speak on the terms of a future tense when they're both further in their careers where maybe they can afford that sort of thing. They had TIME.
And then Inui definitely deserved better. Haida isn't exactly the best, but I mean. When they had their little arc, they were doing so well and if was a good for both of em narratively. Sighs.
I actually really like Haida's "reset" at the end of season 3.
When Inui says "This must have been the choice you made after a long thinking", he answers "I wasn't thinking. If I did, I probably would have chosen you".
Moving on from Retsuko was the logical thing to do, but one can't simply reset their feelings when their love is not corresponded. Haida only tried dating Inui because everyone told him he should, not because he was ready to move on. So, in the end, he chose to follow his heart, even if it was completely illogical. And I honestly appreciate that.
What I don't appreciate tho is Season 4 Haida. Fortunately, not all hope is lost, because with Haida quitting his job at the end of it, it opens up a plethora of opportunities for his character, and for his relationship with Retsuko, to be developed into something better.
Please let Season 5 be good.
Hey, that's totally fine if ya disagree with season 3, perfectly fine.
Haida is another example of flanderization. He was reduced from a multifaceted character to a single personality trait that from then on completely dictates every single bit of his personality.
I know nothing about this character but I like watching you rant
Same.
I’m the opposite and came here just to see someone roast Haida
Imagine making a shows entire basis “oh these 2 will get together” then the season after they do, they want nothing to do with each other
In addition, Haida saw Retsuko spending time with Tadano after lying that she went to karaoke. This pushed Haida into thinking he had to earn her and compete with Tadano. Retsuko is also in the wrong and that's never addressed.
Retsuko being wrong is never addressed, it's always the other characters' fault she's never honest.
that’s what irritates me about Aggretsuko. Retsuko never really gets called out for anything she does in any meaningful way.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 wait, so, similar to Mabel from Gravity Falls?
@@strikeforce1500 Yes, minus the +100 personality.
i hate how haida got treated in season 4
its indicative of japan's work culture
keep a man down on his grindset cus ur mad ur broke and haida's getting that yen
I miss when this show was mainly about relatable day-to-day frustrations!! A lot of the charm of the show came from relating to Retsuko's rage, but she barely even rages anymore! It's a totally different show now.
When the fraud plot came up, I thought Haida was doing it to try to save anymore colleagues from getting fired like Ton and Kabae, and to save Retsuko in particular. You, know, make it look like the Accounting Department was doing well enough to not need cuts. It would have been more in-character for him.
But no, he's just insecure.
Sorry late reply. To be fair, Haida was "forced" to do the "Enron 2.0" (This is what I called nowadays for window dressing) due to his boss wants to make the company to look good for the shareholders (Since apparently employees doing well in every department (Accounting Department included) is not enough to satisfy the aforementioned shareholder).
And yes still doesn't justify his behavior during Season 4.
Pretty sure he did it for retsuko not losing her job
Probably both.
A character throwing away a healthy relationship to set things back to status quo. Never heard that before… *Ross*
As someone who haven't seen season 3 and 4, I find it sad that one of the few good hyena characters in media (and someone I could relate to) seemed to have a bad development in those two seasons.
Assholery has a wiki page.
It says this: "assholery (countable and uncountable, plural assholeries) (vulgar) Patterns of behavior consistent with that of an asshole."
It's pretty cool but also really funny.
I would have at least tried to justify Haida in Season 4 if his self-destructive actions was to point of his character development, but it’s clear that he’s the way that he is because we need to reset the status quo, and he also is a victim of flanderization.
We’ll see if the next season does that. He’s no longer afraid to be honest with his feelings to Retsuko and he’s no longer insecure towards Tadano judging by the “good for him” line at the end; in comparison to the death glare he gave earlier in the season.
Also a victim of Retsuko once again not being honest.
Glad to see a takedown of this guy. Hated what they did to him in season 4, what a nosedive for his character.
OMG, I thought so too!
@@princessmarlena1359 - He would have been better off with Inui, but no we had to stick to his stupid crush.
I wanted to give Haida a chance but I grew to despise him in season 3 and hated how they gave him too much focus in season 4 over Retsuko the literal main character. Ton is best boy
Ton seriously got better and better with each season. He truly is the best boi. XD
@@tailedgates9
Ton's still a hole, and that crap that befell him in season 4 was a long time coming. But, he's still likely the most real character on this show. As early as season 1, you could see that he had so many layers to him. When he's not being a misogynist pig, he's the boss man with the tough decisions, the family man, just that old guy in the middle of changing times, or (my favorite) that mentor who is secretly waiting until Retsuko fulfills his prophecy of becoming a @#$%^y boss.
*YEAH!!! HE DESERVES A VACATION!!!!*
Ton's definitely a hole, but as the show went on he became a likeable hole
I never liked from the beginning. He’s so overrated.
I loved the first season of Aggretsuko. She, as an office drudge questioning the why and were of her life, was relatable. She was flawed but lovable. But, as the seasons went on, she lost all that. There's nothing relatable about being an idol. There's NOTHING relatable about dating less assinine Elon Musk.
not everything has to be relatable
Why does it have to be relatable? Things change, people change. What could be considered normal one day can change. What, you wanted to see her work an office job for 4 seasons straight?
I know people are disagreeing, but I see your point! The whole point of the show is totally different now, and yeah, her being an office worker for 4 seasons could have been boring... but maybe some shows only need one or two seasons.
The way aggretsuko is focusing more on the main ship made me had flashbacks to when SVTFOE tried making the romance the main plot of the story which led to the show going downhill because of it:/
~ Ton should have stayed fired. I loved his arc. I believe he truly changed and became a humbler man. If anything, when he was reinstated he should not have been put back in the same position.
~ Haida should have kept his new position as the accounting director. His character has always been surrounded by Rets. The new job should have given him new goals and helped him move on from her.
This should have been the beginning of some form of character development where he became more confident in himself, not more insecure. This could have been shown through his anxiety going down and him be more level headed and rational than before, and by also being a gentle reliable leader unlike Ton.
Him being apart of the fraud didn’t seem like his character. They could have Himuro threaten him or something, putting him in a position were he had to do what he did. He could have become a whistleblower.
The main Issue when it comes to Haida, is basically the writers wanting their ship to be cannon no matter how illogical it is in general given the development of the characters. Because realistically Haida should've been with Innui and that's the real life situation that would mostly likely happen. So I also felt this was bullshit for Haida to screw that up and want to go with Retsuko again.
I personally don't give two-shits about romance in shows even drama type, but when it's done this poorly more reason why I just avoid these type of genres in general.
Well not exactly. Just because Inui like Haida does not mean he should have been with her. Hamecj, he was not sure he even wanted to date her and only did so because everyone literally told him to do it. If you think it is a screw up for Haida to still go with pine over Retsuko, that’s fine because it was his choice. People choose the hardest route because it’s what they want to do.
@@mangamandrew Well that choice in the end basically landed him back to square one.
@@DangerDan64 you did realize that at the end, it heavily implied they are still dating. They never broke up.
@@mangamandrew What are you talking about? Have you seen the end of the fourth season it was still presented that they were still friends and that's it.
@@DangerDan64 No, it definitely was not. Especially when we saw them dating this season and we never see that they are not by the end. If anything, the final part of the episode shows them going on a date. Or at least meeting up to go somewhere while they both blush. It literally like how the first episode ended which the end of that episode was pretty much a date.
I used to enjoy this show and its characters, but Haida is so sad at this point. Season 4 added to the disappointment by just resetting the status quo and making no progress character wise. it feels like everytime they try to improve on Haida's character, they realize the series can't end yet and draws it out further
Haida quit his job. Ton got humbled. Retsuko shows she has a lot more backbone. And we even got development for Kabae. There was a lot in the change of the status quo.
@@mangamandrew well... yeah but im afraid they are going to reset a lot in the next season, i mean they gave Tom his job again and instead of a new president they just put the old president back. they made big changes that made this season so interesting and then.... they reset everything... again... so yeah i see them reseting those changes
@@alexbluer I mean sure, but we don’t k ow the try ramifications of what happened. They can go the same route as season 2 and have a new character join the cast. Sure, every thing is relatively back to normal but the characters are not the same nor will the dynamic.
And here is the thing, the show has never really had any true resets because most of the events that happen in story have had permanent changes in one way or another to the cast via character growth, development, or different character dynamics forming between different characters.
Honestly I've gone from indifferent, to reluctant, to outright against Haida and Retsuko getting together. I mean this is SILLY. These are grown adults! And Haida has gone from insecure about relationships, to totally incompetent at being romantically involved with someone else. We are way too far in the series to introduce new characters and have these two end up in different relationships, but honestly I will not be remotely moved when they do become a couple.
I used to love Haida but honestly I'm starting to resent him, he keeps making bad decisions and never EVER grows.
I will keep watching because the hijinks and characters make me giggle, but I'm over the love plot
I honestly liked when Haida was going a tad dark and was actually moving away from Retsuko. I despise that they ended back at square one in the end, but I liked that he was actually being confident and wasn’t taking shit anymore, even if it was morally wrong.
I completely agree with this video. I enjoyed Haida more in seasons 1 and 2 and was annoyed when he reset after season 3
I really didn't like him in season 3 and season 4 did not do better. Can someone tell me if Haida is still dating her at the end? It was so vague I could tell and their chemistry is very low to me. He had more romantic tension with his boss than her
I thought him and the boss were gonna end up together tbh
@@mayareyes8874 Same here!
Season 1 was grounded and was something a lot of working class adults could relate to, Season 2 tried a more out of the box idea while managing to keep things relatable and interesting.
Then Season 3 comes out of nowhere with a straight up idol storyline and it feels really odd, I sort of wish they had Retsuko try and pursue a music career in a more realistic setting, that might be just me though.
Those are some great points. 👍
There's....A lot of issues I have with Haida but you pretty much nailed every point for me. Lol And it sucks because I really liked him in seasons 1 and 2, to the point where he became my favorite character. But the fact that his reasoning for deciding to commit fraud was "I did it for you, Retsuko..." pisses me off to no end....Not only did she NOT ask you to do that, but you are allowing your emotional baggage to potentially get you and your co-workers into legal trouble....Like, for fuck sakes, man......
He should just hook up with Fenneko. I don't know why they don't just have him hook up with her
That might actually be the healthiest relationship for Haida. Of course, Fenneko would be wearing the pants, but other than that, one could only speculate.
It's because Aggretsuko's writing staff apparently got through watching Star Vs. The Forces of Evil and Miraculous Ladybuy and took all the wrong lessons from both of those bloody trainwreck shows.
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 Oh yeah, that'd very much be the case, as Fenneko is a lot like a female Hyena in her personality, which is one of the big reasons she and Haida are far more compatible than he and Retsuko.
@@shadekerensky3691 THIS???????????
@@shadekerensky3691 Especially when she randomly tried to sabotage Haida and Retsuko.
I did not see the the end as bad as other may appears it was. Beside the big ending, I think Haida did stand up for himself. He was on the bring of kissing but was encouraged by Retsiko. She sent him flying through the window but Haida already made the choice, Retsiko just finished it. And yes, Haida did need the push fro Tadano to get him to make the choice to help Retsiko but that just comes to show that Haida could not make the choice on his own. Heck, anytime he planes on asking out Resiko or helping her was either advised by someone else or Fenneko. Haida sense season 1 has never really been able to take the chance on his own without help.
I love a lot of these characters from this anime, but it pains me so much that they won't let characters develop without hitting a big reset. While I was greatly upset with Haida not ending up with Inui, he really couldn't get over his crush of Retsuko, so I was happy for Inui stepping away from said relationship.
I was uncomfortable with how Haida helped Retsuko out of her funk when there's a better way to handle it, but in a small way, I guess it spoke to Retsuko and how she has confronted her problems. But even with after that big step in their relationship, it was super annoying to see Haida spend so many episodes with cold feet. They finally go on a date and become lovers; however, to further the annoyance, their date together is montaged and given so little context that would have helped see what kind of relationship they were building. The whole relationship, after so long that fans waited for, personally I just wanted the two happy with whoever, they didn't need to be together in my eyes, and it was given less screen time than Retsuko's previous two, or Haida's almost one. Most of the relationship seemed to have just been spent on Haida trying to build up the courage and it was just sad to watch, still entertaining, but I was way more annoyed with the show than anything.
I despised Haida in Season 4. After rooting for him and Retsuko for 3 seasons only to see him being both a simp and a self-sabotaging moron in the 4th, I guess Inui dodged a bullet.
How to fix Haida: Pick Innui. Perfect character development.
What about picking Tadano?
@@LegoManiac_101 Valid still makes more sense than going back to aimlessly simping for Retsuko honestly.
I feel like Haida and Inui would have been great, but if the relationship was going to be healthy, Haida needs to have gotten over his feelings for Retsuko before hand. Otherwise Inui would have been in a very crappy situation lol
@@LegoManiac_101 ha that'd be great
Correction: Pick Fenneko, I doubt Inui would be down after the shafting she got in season 3, plus Haida and Fenneko are the kinda best friends that all they need is a slight nudge and boom, they're in a healthy relationship, as well as they have such good chemistry.
IMO I could describe season 4 with one line "Kiss her, you idiot!"
Wait I thought he was a good character? *watches video till the end*. Oh, oh no, I see your point now. Still could have been worse.
Also loved the jab at Crow , looking forward to hear you tear him apart :)
Why do people dislike crow?
I'm just curious cause i haven't seen 5d's since I was like 10 so it's pretty hazy for me but I remember him being ok not good just kinda there.
Yes please, Crow must be demolished.
Stealing Akiza's spotlight was criminal
@@liberleo1384 it’s mainly that he essentially stole Akiza’s role in the story and basically took away screen time and relevance from other characters. Fun fact, Crow was actually going to be the main villain and final dark signer, but Blackwings became so popular in the card game that he was turned into a main character instead.
Crow is who screwed over Leo to become a signer.
And thus the signer status was given to him contradicting the story.
More evidence of this is in Tag Force 4. Theres a pack called birthmark. The art has Yusei Jack Akiza Luna and who do you know Leo. No sign of Crow.
Crow is also responsible for turning Leo into a joke of a character.
@@liberleo1384a lot of people don’t like him because his existence derailed a lot of the planned plot points of the show, characters like Leo got pushed to the side, and Akiza was completely stripped of her position in the main three of the season in favor for crow
Honestly, I wish the plot of Haida was that sometimes in pursuing someone you think is perfect for you, you miss the one right in front of you.
adults are just teenagers with bills
FINALLY
Someone who agrees that Haida calling retsuko a "chicken" aka a COWARD for hiding after she was LITERALLY ALMOST MURDERED was extremely shitty and damaged his character
Sad how this Disclaimer at 0:05 has to be made...
...Ah, whatever. I just wanted to say: For anyone like Manga Kamen,
including himself of course, who wonder about Work and how it (excuse the following Pun) WORKS nowadays,
i recommend 'Some More News' recent video about 'Work'.
bro what aspiring/current youtuber WASNT jealous of retsukos sudden million subscribers lmao i agree i agree
I got so damn disappointed when Haida left Inui for Retsuko... Like... Bruh. Inui is a nice person and she actually cares about you. It hurts my heart to say that but... I'm glad he dumped Inui. She deserves something better anyway.
Those aren't reasons to date someone, especially if you aren't in love with them.
Stayign with someone because they're nice and care about you is just as superficial as dating someone because they're rich.
Those aren’t reasons to date someone lmaooo. + retailing and Haida get married at season 5
I trusted Haida so much that I truly believed he was going to be a whistle blower and take the antagonist down. When that wasn't the case, I was so disappointed in Haida. It felt out of character for him.
When you make your full grown characters act like teens to be more relatable to the audience but you're a full grown person seen it.
Romcoms are structured in a way to encourage maximum audience investment due to drama and comedy beats.
That structure continues for as long as the show does.
The writers already have a fifth season planned.
Retsuko "stealing" Haida's moment fighting Himuro reminded me of 'that' scene from Ressurection F...
I think part of why Haida got cold feet earlier in Season 4 was fear of screwing things up with Retsuko if they got in a serious relationship. As well as feeling inadequate.
I used to ship Haida x Retsuko back in seasons 1 to 2 but now, I feel like they don't compliment each other very well (especially after watching season 3 and 4).
I just finished the season and I agree. It left a really bad taste. Like man I don’t like half the main cast and am just not excited for another season
I love Haida and Ben Diskin so it's really awful how the creators are turning Haida into an awful simp and just a plain bad example to show it's audience. Like Haida as a character is okay being a simp but there should be growth and in S3 it really did feel like he's finally growing a spine. But then they just backed down and turned him into a spineless simp again in S4. It's also becoming a bad example how he turned down another woman who shares interest in him and he also likes but was unable to let go of his attachment to the woman he's so obsessed with but never really got closed to.
Deadass started raging when Hadia didn't go with Inui.
Like dude wtf??? Stop watching the show after that.
I'd give it another shot. There's a lot of reason why the Inui romance didn't work out. For one, it's obvious he was still focused on Retsuko. Also he was pretty oblivious to anything Inui was interested, he pretty clearly wasn't very committed to the small amount of a relationship they even had.
@@theepicduck6922 yeah, I get WHY people wanted him to pick Inui, but one of the biggest reasons it would not have been a healthy relationship in my eyes is the fact that he didn't have romantic feelings for her. He most likely saw her as a friend. It would have been a very "fake" relationship, and Inui stepping away once she realized Haida still had feelings for Retsuko made perfect sense to me.
Dude seriously I have such a hate love thing for haida cuz hes both the best and absolute worst character in the show cuz hes a sniveling coward simp who just thinks he deserves retsuko, hes awesome when hes just hanging out with feneko with no ulterior motives or just doing something completely removed from retsuko but god I hate how hes written like 80% of the time.
I think I preferred Season 4's portrayal of Haida because Haida had more to do other than his issues trying to date Retsuko. Like in previous seasons it made it look like that was his only problem when the reality is that Haida is just always insecure and self loathing IN GENERAL. So yeah I liked that they weren't just focusing on his obession with getting a date. His breakdown even makes sense because he got recognition that he always wanted, from the Company CEO no less, and the power went to his head in a desperate attempt to maintain this newfound appreciation he's been getting; which in turn just started made things worse when his coworkers started to hate him.
They were a solid pretty good couple in last season.
Thank you so much for this vid. perfectly says all the things I been trying to express but haven't been able to put together.
You're so welcome
I think, Haida was really mean with Retsuko and her trauma. I had a few trauma experiences too and If a friend had did to me what Haida did with Retsuko.... Emotional fatality move!
Meanwhile, it was the opposite for me and my trauma. No offense, but there's no one blanket option since trauma and trauma response is so different.
I guess, but then again, you aren't Retsuko?
You know, I feel a bit on the opposite side here with Haida on season 4. I feel someone who's insecure about his own value, and wants to put himself at the same level as their girlfriend's exes, which mind you, one of them is a CEO of a tech company, would be a very good target to get lured into a fraud scheme, even if they knew it was a fraud from the very start. Insecurities can make you do stuff that goes against your own principles, one of the main points of the entire show is that nobody is completely good or bad, and bad in this context doesn't mean flawed, but ill intended. Haida did bad things, not because he was evil, but because he was, imo, very swiftly lured in a moment of vulnerability. Being valued for the work he put on, the insecurity of not being enough for Aggretsuko (which I'll agree, is completely unfounded at this point) and the charisma/confidence of his boss are actually a very good mix for anyone in Haida's situation with Haida's personality to agree to take fraudulent actions. It would've been a completely different story if Haida was more confident in himself, which I feel was the deciding factor for him to go against his own principles in the first place. And all of this is coming from someone who dislikes Haida.
This was by far my least favorite season. Season 3 kinda rubbed me the wrong way because of how Haida had a genuine chance of moving on after being Retsuko rejected and seeing the development between him and Inui... for him to go back to Retsuko because he can't let go. Inui was such a good character and I felt that sorrow when I saw her eyes. And seeing him in this season being a freaking wuss REALLY made me want to strangle him. And that scene with Retsuko banshee screaming those guys, taking away the SPECK of redemption he had, I'm done.
Haida is one of my favorite characters and I truly hated what they did to his character in season 4. Hopefully, they could try to do his character some justice in the next season but I wish that season 4 Hilda was alot more better
Haida was stuck on Retsuko. Inui was a better fit for him.
Haida is a fucking highschooler that had a trillion chances for happines and didn't take one.
Still bothers me that Retsuko and him got togheter at the end, she deserved way better.
Season 4 "killed" my favorite character and I will not forgive them for that. I loved this show and it's just gotten worse and worse and more heartbreaking each season. I'm done. I'm not watching this show anymore. It's lost me.
I've loved Haida since the very beginning, but season 4 was fucked up.
This was surprisingly agreeable. I do like Haida but i do in fact agree that they screwed up his character later on.
Well, thanks for hearing me out.
Oh hi there. Lmao.
@@starfoxlover400 hi! :3
@@Liliana_the_ghost_cat my sanity hasn't been good lately tho. I've been feeling crazy ever since last night
@@starfoxlover400 understandable
Calling Haida a Simp? Strong words coming from a Simp for redheads.
(This is a joke comment just making fun of the fact he states he simply like the red hair female characters and it's just something I just want to do for fun so, just take it a comical as it should be.)
Yeah they seem to be okay with this series going in circles.
Thanks for making this video
Man..season four was a wild ride, I liked bits, didn't hate it entirely.
Dunno if its just me, but season 4 didnt feel like retsuko's show anymore
Haida was given the main focus and retsuko was done really dirty
Oh... I misread the title. Thought it was gonna be a video ranting about 14 characters. I feel like that would've been more fun to watch
Yeah, but I couldn't fit it in 14 minutes.
The season 4 ending sort of pissed me off, the fact that it ended off with them going on a date made me feel that "Will they won't they" situation and I just wanted him to just move on for once, I liked the relationship he had with Inui but because the status quo requires him to be head over heels for Retsuko while constantly being unrequited he was gravitated back into that role which sucked, and I know nothing is going to change with season 5, they're going to start off seeming fine in a relationship but then not long after Retsuko realizes she wants to "Just be friends" after things don't work out and Haida will fucking reset again until the near end where it seems like he's going to finally get with Retsuko at which point I hope he fucking isn't with her, I would've rather seen how he would've went with Inui or see him have a gay awakening with the fucking dog antagonist than to get with Retsuko because then he devolves into this primitive version of his character down to nothing but the basic essence of it and it sucks.
I don’t know who this is, but your rants are enjoyable to listen to
Haida? A simp?! Nah, what make you say that? No way...nah.
(Never forgets how he did dirt to Inui)
Season 4 didnt feel the same as previous seasons.
It felt like awkward fanfiction.
Ong fr
Honestly I like the stuff going on with Mr.Ton or the other employees in season 4 and their relationships with each other as well as how they react to the changes at the workplace, and how with all the BS they deal with at work they all enjoy their job and coworkers enough to try to fix the issues and stop the illegal activity in the company.
I didn’t really like how Haida acted towards Retsuko, but his actions about work and his guilt for fudging the numbers was a shock and he went from “it is what it is” to “let me commit fraud” was wtf
I could kind of get Hida's reasoning because his whole character has been that of a coward normally. I feel like it would be more effective to take a different approach upon his insecurity.
Except they did? The past 3 seasons it was isolated with his who romance life. Here they made it clear that this is just the person Haida is all the time and got a swelled head the moment he had a taste of the power and validation he always wanted.
@@koichidignitythief7429 I just felt the career centric focus was a bit odd given how the entire time his character was presented was a slacker personally. Albeit this was a bit more interesting than just a romantic attachment like usual.
I kind of knew this would happen, really loved the cute idea of this show, having only seen a couple episodes I knew they would make Haida lose over and over again, despite so much growth in characters, they still never went anywhere, as someone below me stated, the creators thought it would end the series if they got together.
Do you think the guy can be "repaired" with a Season 5?
Maybe.
"Wait, so you want the story to basically turn a love interest for one of the main chararacters into some nobody that doesn't matter in the series anymore while simultaneously turning that main character into a shithead because you want him to be in a relationship with the protagonist, even if it was shown through the THREE PREVIOUS SEASONS that it wouldn't work between them, and that they're better off as friends?"
"Yes"
Im glad Im not the only one who hates post S3 Haida. He was a pure boi and turned into... This. Also, I still cant get over the fact that Retsuko turned down Tadano when her motivations since Ep1 one were stablished as "get a partner so she doesnt have to work anymore"
Prologue of the first episode of Season 4 was enough to make me close Netflix and never watch the show again.
All my respect for Haida as a character was gone with just that moment. All because they wanted to milk the fuck out of that stupid "Will they or won't they" trope.
I try to justify Haida's actions in season 4 as him cooking the books to make it to wear no one else has to get lade off
maybe?
If this season could’ve done anything. Just explain that plot line better. Remove the useless instances in the first 2 episodes where Haida is still afraid to date Retsuko. That’ll give it more time to show Haida’s perspective on committing fraud and possibly elaborate on how Himuro is involved with this.
Everything else can relatively stay the same (with the exception of Retsuko attempting murder) and it would be fine. Even better. Cut that useless crap with the Will They Won’t They in the beginning of the season.
Yeah... My hyena bro was done pretty dirty in season 4... It's like the two were pushed into being a couple.
Thanks for the video
What made Haida ultra insecure in season 4 was that Retsuko lied to him and went to see Tadano behind his back. Granted, they weren't doing anything wrong, but Haida's insecurity was cranked up to eleven when he saw his grilfriend hanging out with her more successful ex behind his back.
I feel like people often forget that Retsuko is to blame as well
@@darthgamer9861 Sanrio was scared of voicing how the main character was in the wrong.
I think you said everything perfectly😁👍🏿
Contrary to how the real world works at least when it comes to the Internet and peoples opinions I like hearing peoples opinions. Especially when they like you and put into a comedic yet understandable format and enjoyable rambling
To be fair I understand convincing yourself of things. In confusion and stuffs. That is part of what anime taught me to avoid. But I can feel your frustration if they didjt expand on that and just dropped it at oh well
2:40 Tadano also turned Retsuko into a neet that sleeps on the couch and doesn´t really feel like "starting a buisness". Also HOW DOES SHE SHOWER?!
*Me who hasn't watched aggretsuko after season 3 after hearing what happened to Haida*:*Sobbing*MY BABY BOOOOI!!!
Aw man, Inui was kicked to the curb? Shit. I really liked her.
I too am really upset by what season 4 did, so this was very satisfying to listen to. I do however have to politely disagree with your take that Haida should've stuck with Inui. While they did seem to have a healthy thing going on at the start, the biggest problem with Inui was that she was way too perfect for him and represented something he likely wouldn't have been able to connect with as well in the future. Haida's crush on Retsuko started after he saw her stealing water, which meant to him that there was way more to her than just the cute, friendly co-worker next door. She was a flawed person like him who lied, could be selfish, and had many human qualities to her that she never fully revealed at work but left him wanting to know more about. While Retsuko had a hidden side to her, a side that maybe he can relate to, a side that'll allow him to connect with her, a side that'll help him in return with his own worries and stress as a young adult in the labor force, Inui WAS that perfect, ideal, friendly co-worker Retsuko appeared to be but really isn't. Too bad season 4 threw out the potential that could've had. 😔
I actually really liked Haida as a character in seasons 1-3 but season 4 made him pretty unbearable. I honestly didn't like season 4 in general.
Agreed.
Watching it I slowly started to get upset seeing Haida on screen. He honestly became so unlikable in Season 4 by the end. It felt like I was watching a whole new character instead of the ones we know and loved. Although I will say the situation with Ton in this situation was really more interesting that made season 4 "okay" for me. Like a 7/10.
I think that the idea of everything coming back to normal is kinda THE trope in aggretsuko. It's much more.. life-like? People do mistakes, learn from them and then do the same mistakes again. Big adventures does not mean that the character will change immediately. It's a bad.. or rather hard way to write a good show, but doesn't make it unrealistic. So to me it makes sense that there is continuity in this show, but characters don't change much, because at the end of the day their goals don't change so they don't have to change much until they get what they want (Anai changing after getting a gf for example). This also makes a good base for implementing other relatable Japanesse office stories. If you reset your characters you can put them in as many wonky life scenearious as you want.
But it doesn't change the fact that this season was the most boring one, I couldn't even finish it.
Also idc, Haida doesn't deserve Inui, she's too good for him. I hope that she'll get a cameo where she does well without him.
You know that akward felling after you watch a show or a movie and say to yourself "man that was great" just to see later the entier internet shitting on it
*Feelsweirdman*
I’m actually interested in this anime because of this video (Love the video btw)
Yeah, it's worth your time :)
I don't know if this was intentional of the show creators, but having Haida being both a Simp and a Male Spotted Hyena is interesting 🤔.
I forgot most of the season already, but I remember that armwrestling scene.
I have a lot of problems with my pride and hate hierarchy, duking it out is normal, cause you can't really lose (we just get tired and bruised, no one goes for the kill). If we really care about something, you just don't give up.
But Haida losing in success, smarts and physique was a complete and utter domination, and when a girl is involved I can't even imagine the how soul crushing that would be. It felt like it was leading to some cuckoldry fetish for the Mary Sue that Retsuko became.
I hope in season 5 Haida dumps Retsuko, find something he's better t than Tadano, or just lives for himself. Cause Retsuko is not a struggling character anymore, she can do no wrong. Let her scream beam all of her problems, who gives a f