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- www.ted.com Empathy, cooperation, fairness and reciprocity -- caring about the well-being of others seems like a very human trait. But Frans de Waal shares some surprising videos of behavioral tests, on primates and other mammals, that show how many of these moral traits all of us share.
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When life gives you cucumbers throw it back and find your Own grapes.
Eat grapes and cucumbers and share same with others
When life gives you cucumbers use genetic engineering to give them grape flavour.
AWESOME QUOTE
Chithra KarunaKaran what?? That is silly
"When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down..."
-Cave Johnson
"This is the Wall Street protest right here".
Love you, man.
The dislikes are from the Capuchins that didn't get the grapes
Hahaha
I guess my hopes were too high but I was expecting the grape capuchin to give his undeserved grape to the cheated one.
The dislikes come from religitards who have been told that the bronze-age nonsense they were taught to believe in is true, and part of this bullshit, admittedly a newer one, is the belief that morality is written in your heart by an all-loving all-knowing and ever-present djinni, in whose picture you were created, so animals CANNOT have it too.
Or the philosophers that insists that fairness does not exist in the animal kingdom because it was invented with the French Revolution lol
Science proves that primates and elephant s freeload
So, here's something fun. I watched this TED Talk in my behavioral science class, and I thought "Wow, what useful information!" and didn't think further than that. Later on, for my astronomy class, it came time for me to choose a scientific book to do a report on for that class. I chose Mama's Last Hug, not knowing that the author of that book was the guy in this video.
This comment is worthy of being a comment well done 👍
What is so heartwarming about this is its optimism - there's hope for us yet.
Umm they are monkeys. We are human.
@@naysaynetwork5271 Duh! We are monkeys too unless you're some sort of god freak.
Also that all the rich dummies in the world are complete idiots when it comes to what "fairness" means
TH-cam people. Read more about the work this guy is doing. He is one of the best scientist in our world.
This guy: **Talks about morality and empathy from a place of moral superiority.**
**Keeps primates in cages.**
LMAO
@@Analysis_Paralysis That's where the experiments are conducted but they don't live there.
@@drizzelkun
Yeah, sure.
@@Analysis_Paralysis go hug a tree and cry on it
Rip Frans. Always a legend.
I had an opportunity to hear him speak a long time ago. I just came to find a clip to show a friend. Thank you for the news. The legacy he leaves behind and his contributions to the field of Animal Behavior will reverberate into the species way of thinking.
This is extremely interesting and very important for our need as humans to understand our place in nature.
Nathan Patrick What a bunch of crap you wrote.
I'm a biologist and Jesus saved me 8 months ago. If you're interested, here's the Gospel - th-cam.com/video/rB_qwAH1g0I/w-d-xo.html
No thanks
Indigo Arts though based on your comments i am sure that the now deleted comment that you were responding to was ridiculous and the work of a troll you are very incorrect in much of your comment here. You are anthropomorphisizing animals and are basing your comments on your feelings rather than any proven or observable facts. You should educate yourself a bit more before basing your comments solely on your emotional opinions
If an animal cannot act morally within human society, if an animal cannot respect the right of an individual's life, then it cannot act morally at all. That's what separates us. There's a reason these animals had to be kept in cages during these so-called morality experiments.
I was diagnosed with ASPD and I was told I learned how to mimic social emotions while I attended school. When he was talking about yawn contagion it made me realize how to explain it to other people.
For example: when someone yawns you subconsciously yawn as well.
For me: when I am interacting with somebody I subconsciously can tell by their face, posture, and pretty much the look in their eyes what emotion or persona is best to mimic in order to make the interaction as easy as possible, or how best to approach another person to get what I want. Whether it be their trust, money, favors, and pretty much anything else, I can judge the best way to interact with that person.
I am able to do this usually without the person even speaking unless they purposely try to throw me off by faking their emotion. The only time this has happened was with another person I found out was diagnosed with psychosis.
My doctor has told me that when I was young he suspects I observed the children in my classroom to know which emotions and “characters” I should mimic to approach the teacher and get benefits, or approach other students and get things from them. I have noticed that nobody else does this or seems to comprehend how easy it is.
Dyslexic Teletubby what facial distinctions did you look for??
Marco Motroni idk and that’s the point. I subconsciously did it and knew what to do
I have heard that the yawn contagion is more of a survival mechanism than an empathetic response. Not sure if it's true, but have heard data that yawning is your body's way of taking in additional oxygen when it feels there is an insufficient volume to maintain consciousness and awareness. Others around you may witness your yawn and subconsciously react feeling that there is a low level of oxygen in the area and they need to take in additional oxygen to survive. Kind of like when you see a mob running frantically in a certain direction, tour survival instinct takes over and you join the mad dash to safety.
Steve S yea I was just saying the way he explained it made me realize how to explain aspd
So do you have yawning contagion? Dyslexic Tele?
I yawned when they showed the photo of people yawning. Yup, yawn contagion, I haz it.
@LASummer uh...ummm, no?
I yawned when I read this comment.
I also
Means you're empathetic evidently. Now that this is made aware, consider why you should think it's ok to participate and perpetuate the systematic torture and execution of sentient being with the same capacity to suffer just in the name of fashion and taste pleasure?
*Rest in Peace, Legend.*
This is the central thrust of the works of Peter Kropotkin, a late 19th-century scientist and philosopher whose works "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" (1902) and "Ethics: Origins and Development" (1922) lay out a concrete case for evolved morality -- although he called it evolutionary ethics. It's immensely satisfying, as a fan of the obscure thinker's works, to see him vindicated in this manner, but it's also distressing to think that perhaps the horror and destruction of the 20th century could have been avoided if anyone had bothered to read him.
Basie Settle thanks, I never heard of him.I guess people who wreak horror and destruction burn more books than they read 😢
Oh, awesome, thanks for the recommendations.
👍
I love that scientists now are getting smart enough through tests and brain scans to see a lot of animals share the same feelings as us. I still agree we should treat wild animals as wild animals for safety, but I also found that philosophers and old scientists saying we are the only ones with complex brains was very uninformed and arrogant. It always felt like misinformation based on assumption from people who were only around animals in tests, and not having much actual emotional reciprocity with them, which animals will give back if a care for them is developed. We share earth with many other intelligent creatures who have families, communities, even nomadic lifestyles, sometimes based on choice. To look at them and say the only thing they care about is food and survival is humanity showing arrogance in my opinion, because we're at the top of the food chain. At least we don't eat or throw feces, which I hope we can always keep separate from us and other species, That's one big point of separation I don't want to change. Anyway sorry for the rant, just some thoughts I have 😊.
Hello Joel, I love your comment and also fully agree with you. Thank you.
Arrogance of the Intellect
This is brilliant. Exactly what I expect from a TED talk.
I 'm so glad that TED finally got around to posting one of Frans de Waal's brilliant talks!
One of the biggest thinkers alive in the world. I am always humbled by his ideas.
Every single human being needs to see this video.
I love how funny this talk is.
Like the wolf image he credits as from "furry.com.br"
My question to you is...What about what this guy is saying, is so humorous to you?
This must be one of the best TED Talks I've seen so far.
Fascinating subject fabulously presented. Thank you!
one of my all time favourite talks. love the cucumber-thrower
This is extremely enlightening and I think it has a very relevant message for today's society. The question is, how do we best convey this message about morality to the people of today?
7:40 "don't work hard work smart" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 well I guess it's working
You make me think of my momma cat who went out and caught a mouse for my momma dog who wouldn't leave her pup. Kindness it a trait all living beings possess.
That’s interesting about your Cat. That’s a real buddy right there!
My horse, an Appaloosa mare, was very maternal, even to Calves and Lambs. She would allow calves to nurse from her, even though she wasn’t lactating and it was pretty surprising to see that. She also stayed out in the field one night, missing her supper. She finally came into the yard in the early morning with a lamb that she’d stayed with all night, probably one of a set of twins from an inexperienced Ewe. She wasn’t super fond of me, because I rode horseback on her, but she really like my twin boys when they were toddlers, being super careful around them, not to step on them and she’d nuzzle them affectionately on the top of their heads. I wish I could have that horse again.
My sister had a dog like that she even started to lactate for an orphan kitten. They just need to get to know one another.
You might have been a bit old for her too. I had a horse that would give a grown up a run for it's money but kids.. she adored them. I thin her records for kids piled on her was ten.
Eva Sartorius She was easily controllable once I corrected a trick or two of hers. I think the problem was that she was used as a cutting horse (so she was quite intelligent) and she’d been kept with cows all her life before I bought her at 13 years of age. She really hated being away from her “herd” and just wanted to get back to them. I usually rode alone, but when my friend bought a horse, my horse would whinny if she left for a ride without her too. She preferred the company of horses or cattle to humans. She was a really interesting horse and I had so many interesting adventures with her. A Bear was no problem, but a bunch of toads hopping on the ground was grounds for a massive crow hop and the heebie-jeebies!
Queenie was her own horse. If a kid kicked her in the ribs she would slowly start to walk. A grown man did it once and she ran him out from under his hat. You got what you were asking for. She did buck me off one time. My dad was fencing and he needed his rubber boots. \\I jumped on Queenie to get them and when she offloaded me I landed with my head in a posthole up to my eyebrows.
Very interesting video. Thanks for posting!
I yawned when it showed the people yawning xD
I yawned as soon as he said the word 'yawn'.
Hahaha take that! I'm more empathetic than you! 😛
What does it mean if I yawned when the chimp yawned?
Impossabear I just yawn cause I read that
How can you disagree ( thumbs down) the study clips are right in front of you.. Jeez some people blind even with sight..
they don't want to see it
@Karl Jansen
Lol there are papers published on this across the globe which doesn't only study behaviour but mental patterns.
Take a look at entire research there are cases where some unfed apes refused the grape until both received it.
You can ignore obvious as much as you want it doesn't change the fact.
Probably my favorite ted talk
We’ve all seen, but some refuse to recognize, that animals have complex emotions and feelings too. Pets waiting for their owners, overjoyed on their return, mourning by their casket. I’m reminded of a documentary called “Black Fish” about Orca whales separated from their family. In it, a mother orca and her calf were separated. She cried out and wailed for her calf and went into depression. It made me ashamed of humanity, that humans could be so inconsiderate and cruel to animals just for our entertainment. Our world is beautiful and precious. It’s a shame that we can’t find a way to advance civilization without destroying our environment. Future generations will pay dearly for our ignorance and selfishness.
If there even will be future generations. Meat eaters might cause the collapse of the ecosystem and our own extinction.
You speak pure truth!!!!
what's with the 13:41 cut to the guy sleeping?
Jared Jones he's being selfish by not considering the presenter's feelings.
What makes you think he's sleeping? Looks to me as though he's texting or something.
LOL
Incredibly interesting. Thanks for this talk.
I'm loving that exit/side door.
I loved this video! Of course animals feel emotions just like we do!!
Cheers
I have always been fascinated by animals exhibiting behaviors, aside from competition, that we generally only associate with humans, such as the cooperation and empathy demonstrated in this video.
I was raised Catholic/Christian, though I'm not an "expert" on the scriptures by any means, so I don't know if there are any specific passages in the Bible that specifically say "only humans have souls," however, throughout my life, I have heard so many Christians say that humans have souls, and animals do not, but I have a very hard time accepting the notion that "animals do not have souls" -and even more so when I see animals show empathy, cooperation, or when they grieve over death of one of there own, or when there have been many cases of dogs refusing to leave the grave of their deceased owner, or there have been other cases where people have either died of an ailment (such as heartattack) or have been hit by a car and killed, and the dog, not only refused to leave the owner's side, but displayed signs of genuine greif. While we humans may be of higher intelligence (most of us anyway), I reckon we do not give animals enough credit... And as far as animals "not having a soul," I do not agree with that. There are many people who have severe mental retardation, who may not be able to grasp the concept of cooperation, or reciprocating favors the way these animals did, but I doubt that many religious people would say that a severely mentally impaired person lacks a soul.
I had a mom cat i named D'Artagnon. She was nursing 5 kittens. I dreamt that D'Artagnon came to me and showed me that she had a severed leg. The next morning my boyfriend and I were going to the Renaissance Festival. I called for D'Artagnon but couldn't find her. I didn't like her gone but decided not to worry. There is a veterans cab station across the street. When we got back one of the guys came out and said that they had found dArtagnon's body beneath the tree in front . She had been hit by a car. She had come to me in a dream to let me know that I would have to mother her kittens..actually I had to work so I enlisted my parents and between the three we raised them up.
This is by far my best Ted talk
He deserved a standing ovation!
That fact that some philosophers wouldn't consider it true "fairness" unless the only monkey to recieve grapes would refuse the grapes, says a lot about how very few human being possesses this quality, duo to the wealth distribution inequality in the world.
True but that's how Capitalism works and right now Capitalism seems to be the best option ...
C'ism is not the best option it is the predatory option. Humans have yet to become Human(e) Like all species, we humans are on an evolutionary journey.
Socialism is the answer.
2 things, what happens when the monkeys don't know each other? because that's the human situation with inequality, And philosophers also consider the majority of large company CEO's to be psychopaths & devoid of the emotions demonstrated here by the monkeys & if they're in charge, that changes everything, because you can't win by refusing grapes
yah so apparently we "primitive" apes have the same amount of fairness.... Look it isn't a competition, humans know when they do wrong, it is just when they don't have to face it that they benefit without remorse. If anything it makes us worse sometimes.
14:51 did he slam dunk that cucumber in the basket???.. i need slowmo replay with annoucers for this one
rick Karras I think he did! I hope he finally got grapes ... it was so sad to watch!
This knowledge has me psyched!!
All is well in the great by and by...
great to see the actual footage
Wait, a human would refuse a grape? Impossible :D
Yeah, both in humans and animals, there are some who don't care about unfairness as long as they are benefiting, so you can't say animals don't hve a concept of unfairness just because of that
You can sell the people religion and promise the good life in the afterlife
Or you can tell them that beggars can't be choosers and they everyone can achieve massive wealth
Humans have propaganda
@@Hirnlego999”beggars can’t be choosers …” Would you pls care to elaborate on that?
@@aTouchoClass Plenty on it online. To me it's just another way to promote non-action from the people. The more apathetic the better, for the ruling class
This is also why voter suppression exists, and is quite common at even in a democracy like USA
@@Hirnlego999 ok thx
The morality and cognitive responses displayed by the animals or so intriguing. I can watch this all day
The irony of observing animals showing empathy to each other while we put them in cages and showing them none
Great research! My cats have different dietary requirements due to their medical condition and age. I receive disapproving expressions and long meows when the other kitties don't get the same type of food. Cats also have a sense of fairness, and reciprocal emotions. My dog and cats are also very jealous of each other. If I pet one of them, the others also come to me and try to nudge the others away, so they will get the pettings.
I love this work and am grateful to have people who are advocates of the depth and importance of animals. We as humans tend to put ourselves above all other species.
"Philosphers need to rethink their philosophy for a while"
Thank you for your work and this video.
this is amazing it made my day thank you Tedtalks and especially to the wonderful speaker
THANK YOU FOR THIS! I've been trying to explain to my family that animals in fact do have morals. All people do is assume and pretend they know. This is some good proof that people should never assume.
Animals have feelings and thoughts, but morality is a made up concept by humans that help us function better in a society. It doesn't exist anywhere else in nature. Of course animals are capable of "noble" and "good" acts, like saving another animal or even human, and sometimes they seem like they act based on moral values, but their actions are actually driven by what I call "nature's logic". Like, a tiger that's not very hungry can spare the life of a baby calf, and play with it or set it free instead of killing it. This act SEEMS moral to the unexperienced (and may I add naive) person, but in reality if you dig deeper you'll realize that the tiger acted like this because in nature's perspective the calf had more value alive than dead. Since the tiger had eaten recently, killing the calf would be a waste of resourses and mother nature doesn't like that. This calf will be much more useful as food for a hungry animal or, even better, reaching maturity and reproducing to bring forth many more of its kind. That's why the tiger doesn't kill it, and NOT because "it felt sorry for it" or "it had morals". Now, human morality basically functions in a similar manner, but it seems much "truer" because humans have much more complex social relationships. Think about it this way: does morality exist in a vaccum? Meaning,would one person, alone in the world have the need or even the capability of acting morally? No. Without a social group, morality is meaningless. We're not moral because we're "good people" we're moral because society taught us that in order thatin order to survive we need to be accepted by others, and to be accepted we have to act by certain rules. To not steal, kill or beat up another person is because these behaviours, if they were allowed, would soon break up the very core of society. In a way, morality in humans is just as purpose-driven as in animals. No one acts morally without having to gain something. Even if it's just the satisfaction that "I am a moral person, and therefore I am a valuable member of society", it's enough. Also, no human has the capacity of acting in a moral way without being taught what morality is, what "right" and "wrong" are and how to act a certain way. And let's not forget that morality is not stable, but changes thoughout history, but also according to each social group (country/tribe etc).
@@ashley_brown6106 Brilliant commentary. Thank you for writing this.
Animals are more alike with humans than they like to admit.
I hope you don't take this bad because I only mean to help.
According to English grammar, it should be "Humans are more like animals than they like to admit.". Because humans is the "subject" of the sentence and animals is the "object" of the sentence. The subject is the one that acts and the object is the one that is acted upon. Humans are ... than they like to admit. Otherwise the animal is the one that doesn't want to admit humans are like them. I hope you enjoyed learning something new, like I always do. Have a great day!
so are plants.
To be an animal, you need certain characteristics. Need cells with a nucleus, need to consume nutrients (not make them, like plants), a digestive track with 2 openings, consume oxygen, sexual reproduction, need to be multi cellular, wide range of movement, among others characteristics.
There is a reason humans are part of the classification of life. Humans are animals as well.
@@Alientcp your an idiot !
@@vornik24 And "you're" someone who doesn't understand grammar.
One of my great inspirations. RIP Professor. Your book "The Bonobo and the Atheist" changed the way I think.
Very interesting podcast. Thanks.
13:40 no one gonna talk about the guy sleeping?? lmao
THANK YOU
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sensacional! Saudações de Mato Grosso - Brasil! Meu professor de Bases Biológicas do Comportamento que me recomendou esse vídeo!
Fantastic!
Bonjour Frans de Waal j'ai lu quelques uns de vos livres c'est super ! A chaque fois que je cherche des trucs sur les primates je tombe sur vos livres... J'espère pouvoir faire des études de zoologie plus tard, passez une bonne journée :')
I am meeting Frans de Waal today in the University of Regensburg!!!!!!!! SO excited, I may film a VLOG about it!
How did it go?! :D
CorpseCall was pretty cool! I enjoyed the talk very much and he was very chill and funny😋😋
Did you end up recording the meeting?
mizuhonova i filmed a couple of minutes, but it was 80% the same talk like this. Do you need it for something? :)
Ah okay. Thought you might have learned something cool talking to him that he didn't cover in this talk. :D
Oh my goodness elephants look so cute when they are observed far from above!
Brilliant work!
Nicely exposed and very solid experiment in my opinion !
Thx a lot !
Natural Selection has always favored animal groups, in which there is more internal cooperation, etc-- as, such groups would be BETTER able to dominate OTHER groups who did NOT cooperate internally
The video is great, plenty of useful knowledge. I deeply regret that for us to have the knowledge, we have to have animals slaved.
I'm sure we will develope better ways to study animal behaviour without having them on cages. At least, I hope so.
Camila Filippini:
Perhaps this is also the reason behind UFO abductions?
I wish I was a billionaire who could fund big reservations for these animals like for example these chimpanzees get 4 acres of fenced in trees grass, a pond, etc and are treaty great and every once and a while they do a small safe experiment
It's harder for them in jungle where getting food everyday is not assured and where predators are in search of preys.
It’s mostly ethical given the fact that these chimps were most likely raised in captivity with the help of humans. The animals you see in zoos are not able to survive in the wild, so they are ofc much better being in a zoo. Zoos are also VERY important in terms of educating people and raising awareness of endangered species. Releasing these animals into the wild would only guarantee their death.
@@leadoffgaming3955But still being held captive and having to complete tasks for their master. Lol
Thanks, TED. Very nice, smart and relevant. Thumbs up and Favorited!
合作=》 3:34
同理心=》9:01
公平=》 13:11
總結=》 15:24
OMG, 14:00 my favourite
165 viewers disliked the video, because they only received cucumber.
BTW: I received grapes.
Eye opening.
The most fascinating part of the two chimps cooperating is the communication between the two.
Did he ever get a grape?
I always think that on an instinctive level we are no different than any other primates. But due to the evolution of human brain we have greater ability to feel complex emotions and solve intricate problems, and have a far more greater sense of moral responsibility.
For me morality cannot be either absolute or universal. What we deemed immoral centuries ago is moral today or vice versa. What is deemed moral in some culture is immoral in the others. Traits such as empathy, cooperation, fairness and reciprocity only exists because we as society have realized that this is the most efficient way to exist and prosper. If you look at the history you will always find these traits among the prosperous civilization. Fear, jealously, anger, pain are innate part of our survival but fairness, reciprocity, empathy, co-operation are the product of our environment. So morality of an individual will certainly be influenced by the society and environment.
We are also less hairy.
"Traits such as empathy, coorperation, fairness and reciprocity only exists because we as society have realized that this is the most efficient way to exist and prosper."
Did you even *watch* the video?
How far can a human defy his/her instincts
I read and found this experiment, this is so interesting and makes me wonder "is human really better than any other animals in this world?" I think no.
great talk
This is a fascinating video and thank you for posting.. Animals are, I suspect, much more intelligent than they're given credit for. I believe that we really cannot fully know the full extent of their intelligence because we cannot understand their language. Many animals posses language, but thus far, we've not been able to comprehend it. So, if we cannot comprehend an animal's language, how can we say that we really know the full extent of their intelligence? Non-verbal tests for intelligence can only go so far.
I've always thought that many animals are capable of moral behavior. Dogs will often sense that their owners are sad or upset and they will nuzzle or lick their owners hand in an effort to comfort. Wolves and other pack animals will cooperate to bring down prey. Now there is footage to confirm this.
No matter what some people think, the line between humans and animals is much thinner than was previously thought. That makes sense because we are animals. we are first of all placental mammals, then primates, members of the family of great apes, with chimpanzees and bonobos as our closest relatives. We are essentially East African Rift apes. I know some people may not like the idea of humans being closely related to two other species of great ape, the truth is the truth.
Wait but fairness was invented during the french revolution... How can you have a PhD and honestly believe that...
Probably an American.
N Hw cn u nt get a joke
great video many thanks
Beautiful!
Fanatics start panicking when they realise even morality doesn't come from religion.
uday kadam why would they ???
To assume that morality is "good" is to assume there is good and evil which begs the question, who says what is good and evil?
@@mareeyo1
Without God, there is no such thing as good and evil, right and wrong, moral and immoral. Merely opinions. Slaughtering innocent people is merely a rearrangement of atoms.
@@mareeyo1 Oxymoron. You dont assume morality, you define it.
Define morality.
You need to define morality to make any sense.
At 15:20- philosophers & economists would question concept of fairness in animals because they don't want to acknowledge the cruelty and exploitation humans commit on the animal world.
Peter Singer pointed this out in ANIMAL LIBERATION as philosophers continually find hackneyed justifications for animal exploitation. Economists and pholosophers, etc. are part of the power system...thus the conservative characterization of humans as "wolfish" to justify all sorts of abberant economic activity.
Thank you for uploading this interesting and informative - while funny - film.
Great and humorous video!
And people still have the arrogance to say morals come from religion.
@Karl Jansen - that doesn't even make any sense, and doesn't have anything to do with the question posed by Phynchen.
STFU until you can actually answer the question.
TheMurlocKeeper thank you for shutting him up. I didn’t see his comment or I would’ve reacted to it as well, but you did a better job already. :)
I agree. They did a study on rats recently where they would lock a rat's friend in a tube distressing the friend and see if the rat would find a way to learn to open the tube to rescue his buddy. Even when offered food, they would more often than not, try to rescue their buddy from the distress. I've owned lots of rats and didn't need that study to tell me they have empathy and feelings. I've witnessed one rat save another from an attack. I had one get depressed after a death of another.
Frans de Waal is one of my heroes, along with Jane Goodall & Dian Fossey. :)
Excellent!
They are in cages only while the experiment is on, other time they have a pretty decent space to inhabit. Live in a wild is actually incomparably harsher and more brutal than a little time off in a cage for an experiment, so I would argue about whether or not those people deserve to be tortured to death. If I were a monkey, I would be much happier to live in "big brother's apartment" and give a little show once in a while, than working my ass off running from leopards and eating rotten food.
People saying someone "deserves to be tortured to death" are usually not very sensible.
@sarah Fields - Morals do NOT come from the Bible. Morality is a human concept concerning the difference between what is right and wrong, defined by a sense of justice and fairness. All societies that have existed have had codes or rules of moral behavior, and these moral codes even change over time as social norms change. This includes societies that existed before Christ was born, and even before the Bible was written.
SOME morals do not come from the Bible, but others do.
sonofblessed which ones don
@@sonofblessed - bullshit.
Zero morals come from any religious text.
Just because some religious zealot happened to put pen to paper about it, does not mean that it didn't exist way before then.
We don't need religion of any kind for us to be good people.
If you need some invisible sky daddy telling you how to act and keeping you scared and honest just to be a good person, then something is very, very wrong with you as a person.
TheMurlocKeeper I’m sick of people not being able to see how Christianity isn’t a religion, A religion is when the followers have to do something to be in favour with their God e.g. Islam, Catholicity and other religions while Christianity is different, in its case God did the work so we could be in his favour
Jimmy Star why are people assuming that for Christianity to be right it has to have made up a completely new moral code as if Christianity started with Jesus’s teachings, no it started since people were created
very interesting seminar.
That's the video I was looking for.
lol the postmodernist philosopher got owned
Olimpicus
This guy provided us with valuable knowledge. Knowledge which helps us getting closer to the truth. Why is it though that people such as you care less about finding the truth than they care for winning or loosing
@@NationalGee wow, you've put what I feel so perfectly.
07:53 -" Now look at the other, it doesn't forget to eat, of course. "🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like the TED talks from the old days
Looks. This video had shown us how we are so damn close to our nearest private relatives. What I don't get is why don't we do more of the bonobo behavior without judgement?
Because not all of us look as attractive as a bonobo ape.....and I don't want to see fat, ugly people fucking in public. :P
I want it. An all out nudist party 24/7 everywhere
Religion got into the way kkkk
@@gloriousbones369 absolutely!
I've been agree if that morality is not something brought on by religion, it precedes it and it's part of our DNA as the products of evolution, will always keep evolving. In fact morality is universal and it's capable to giving a species to adapt with the environment or each others.
@Wednesday's Child You can still out rationalize it. Being religious doesn't necessarily reduce bad behavior.
@Wednesday's Child What's more effective though because it seems people follow the land of the law more than the law of their religion?
@Wednesday's Child I think you're mistaken. The Constitution is influenced by the ideas of John Locke, Hobbes, Plato, Aristotle and maybe a few Christian ideas. The founding fathers were mostly secular Deists, so man, religion isn't so engrained in our constitution.
I'm going to shamelessly copy and paste what I replied above to another similar comment:
This may be true, but religion is a way to institutionalize morality. Morality can probably be divided into two groups. The first group is the type of morality that most human beings believe in, even without religion (like not murdering). The second group is the type of morality that people become sensitized to by exposure to studying religious texts. For example, the Torah (the Jewish religious text) and other Jewish sources place heavy emphasis on moral speech, i.e., avoiding gossip. Most people not raised with a Jewish religious education seem not to be particularly concerned about avoiding gossip. This includes non-Jews and Jews and is an example of how the human moral sense can be refined by religion beyond the common denominator.
sonofblessed I already replied to this one and I can’t copy paste well on iPhone so I’m just not even going to try to type that again not at 1:00 am at least
Thanks for spreading your discoveries. I'll use in my philosophy monography.
when he showed the picture of people yawning it made me want to yawn
Except that believers have instructions books without which they do not know how to truly behave.
This just further shrinks god.
Hirnlego999 how else are believers meant to follow the teachings of a man from thousands of years ago, I don’t think that they had cameras or audio recording back then, either way it’s not really an instruction book on how to think or behave it is more what you should be trying to achieve and general tips on good and bad ways of thinking
lol this just makes some believers even more savage than animals. even animals know how to behave without an instruction book
@@devonlord99 "it’s not really an instruction book on how to think"
"general tips on good and bad ways of thinking
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it's actually just human ego to think that we are different and look for "our" type of behaviour. Actually if we look for "their" type of behaviour in us, and with genuine honesty, then we will see that we are no different and in fact in certain aspects, we are much worse off than "animals". The scale of mayhem (over history) that we can and have unleashed can never be matched by "them".
Oh yeah? Go say that to the Ebola, Smallpox, HIV and Malaria pathogens. But on a more serious note, I get where you're coming from.
Can we please get an hour+ of him commenting on this kind of studies. This is great and funny
He writes very interesting books. Fun to read!
great experiment at the end
Why can't we get to the understanding that we are all animals. All different and yet the same, without experimenting and caging, and controling our fellow earthlings!
balderdashery G
I hate seeing them in cages, but that is far better than the alternative
i'm a free man who built my own cage, so... no.
Of course we are. With the touch of God on us.