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REVIEW: The 2020 Marin Pine Mountain 2 as a Trail Bike - Hardtail Party
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- In this episode we take a review ride to see how the 2020 Marin Pine Mountain 2 does as a trail bike. This bike was designed as a bikepacking/adventure bike, but we want to see if it has what it takes as a trail bike. In this episode we find out. Learn more about this bike here: bit.ly/3jretCT
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"this bike is like the stoner from the 70s".... that there is one of the funniest descriptions of a bike I've heard in a review ...Dude : )
A few more things:
1) I will be reviewing this bike soon as an adventure/bikepacking rig on an overnighter trip all loaded up. Stay tuned and subscribe so you don't miss out when I release that video.
2) this is the most compliant/supple/comfortable bike I've ever ridden
3) if you're a bikepacker who occasionally rides trails on their bike, this is a great fit.
4) if you're a trail rider who occasionally bikepacks, I'd recommend something different as your only bike. It can still be ridden on trails as a dedicated trail bike, it's not quite optimized for that riding style.
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If I were to buy a suspension seatpost, would 350 and 400mm seatposts fit this bike, or does the tube bolt interfere with it?
I recently rode the Stagecoach 400 route with my 2018 Pine Mountain on 27.5x2.8" Specialized Fast Trak tires and a PNW Coast dropper post. I've put 5,000+ miles on this bike at this point and feel like it is a great all-in-one rig. I wanted a multi-purpose bike to hit trails, pavement, gravel, and do long-distance XC and bikepacking with. I'm about to swap over and try some 29" wheels on it with 2.2" TeraVail Rutland tires. Been learning a lot along the way, but loving making customizations as I go. Great channel btw, keep 'em coming!
Thanks for adding your comments. Great to get honest reviews, even better hearing owner reviews. I love how this bike rides but am hesitant to pull the trigger based on weight alone. My needs and uses are similar to yours. Occasional black and blue diamond but mostly rough gravel trips or play bike for days I don’t want to don the lycra. Any issues to date?
Honest reviews on bikes and components are what we need. Keep them coming Steve.
keep up the honesty. yes, riding bikes is fun. bikes are fun. we love them. but they are not perfect and your job is to point the fun AND the imperfections.
That flex on the frame is insane! 😳 feel like Marin have hit on a potentially excellent trail bike, with a few refinements.
Yeah, super flexy, and I wasn't pushing on it very hard. Completely different ride feel from the honzo steel.
Maybe the marin el Roy is that potentially excellent trail bike
Cranking out the vids!! I like the looks of this bike aesthetically a lot. That weight is pretty insane, my Surly ICT with 4.8” tires setup tubeless is just under 35lbs!
Wow, thanks for the comparison. I was afraid I've built a heavy custom bike... but mine ICT 4.8 was around 35-36 with alu rims + tubes which seems okay for this frame.
goozzz666 nice! It’s more than just the static weight of the bike though, my Pugs is about a pound heavier than my ICT, but rides/feels much slower for a number of reasons.
Yeah so now I finished the review for me I considered a few bikes.... this bike, Surly ecr or ogre and the salsa timber jack xt. For me I think I made the right choice. I broke my neck 2 yrs ago and had surgery and am fused at C2/C3 and C5/C6. I get severe pain in neck and shoulders after an hour with too much reach or forward lean. Upright is a must. I went back to steel to hopefully help with suppleness. I felt the same... this bike it just crazy level of comfort. Never have felt that much comfort ever. Glorious frame. So for me that was my #1 requirement and this bike delivers. I can deal with the weight. I’ve climbed 3-4 mile steep forest roads and ripped back down at 35mph plus and have hit some big potholes and rocks and it took it like nothing. Looking forward to your bike packing review as I will also be using for that. Loved the possibilities of the handlebar for gear but that hand position angle is just wrong.
Stay tuned as I experiment more with this bike. I feel like there's something special lurking beneath these super heavy tires.
Let me guess.... how can this chunky tire ride so smooth and quiet on pavement. That was my thought. I have WTB Nanos in 700x40c on my gravel bike and they seem to not roll as smooth or quiet as these. Weird.
Can you review the vitus sentier sometime? Think it's a pretty interesting hardtail!
I've tried, but they're not interested in sending me a bike for review at this time.
@@hardtailparty any plans to review the rocky mountain growler? Thoughts on that rig?
@@DG-gq6gm Rocky knows I'm hoping to demo one, but the covid-19 pandemic slowed things down for them. I'm hoping to get one in a few months, but I can't guarantee it. The only review I've read said it was extremely harsh/stiff, but the geo was good.
I have been really interested in this bike too. Thanks for asking
I have one of these on loan from a friend and my god this thing is supple. Cattle damaged clay trails? No problem.
It feels exactly how you described it on climbs “I’ll get t😢when I get there”
Perfect bike for the rollers big east Bay Area hills where you get a lot of miles but not a lot of fun, this bike highlights the adventure aspect of putting in those miles.
The bike I’m on has a carbon bar with maybe 25 mil rise and when seated it feels great, standing up though my neck felt a little tired from having to pick my head up a little higher to look see down the trail.
I really want one of my own now
I want this bike on looks alone. Wish they sold it as a frame only.
actuly its realy sold frame only
Great job Steve!! I like how your showing us the bike in trail mode pushing it beyond sits limits to see what the Pine Mountain is made for. It’s great your honest about it’s intended use, adventure riding/backpacking. Can’t wait to see that bike in its element, with it being supple and comfy should make for a ride on a pack packing trip. The only set back might be the weight loaded up for adventure ride!! 👍👍👍💪💪
Hey Steve I have this bike. Bikepacking is intended use and for some reason for me I found it rides light ( I'm used to full squish) So comfortable goes well on my local trails in Brisbane Australia. Dropper was to high for me (Size large) took the bolt out of boss drops all the way. Cut the bolt down to length put it back all good. Maybe something to try. Yeh those tyres are off look good though Love your channel my favourite by far. Cheers
Great tip for those on a large, thanks. Unfortunately it doesn't solve it on the size medium. Even with the bolt out, I can't push the seatpost down any farther.
Buggar, my wife's medium is on way. May have to get inventive. Looking forward to bikepacking review
For how long the seat tube is, I'm surprised the dropper is still interfering down there. Almost any other dropper will have less insertion than this one.
Hi
Did you change the tyres at all?
G'day yeh put some maxxis recons on set up tubeless saved nearly a kg rolls way better on road and trails
Just got mine in today, thanks to reviews like this, I knew to order a new stem, bars, and tires to suit my riding style. Also I saved and got the pine mountain 1 and so far I feel the price bump for the 2 is worth it 😎, keep up the great work!
Just got hooked on your channel a few weeks ago, going through all the vids. I am a big guy so I always gravitate towards hard tails. I honestly can’t believe you haven’t done a review on the Surly Karate Monkey yet though...
ive asked steve about this bike and a few others like the Ritchey Ultra, it seems the Geometry is keeping him away for now, but that may change. maybe hell answer and give you more detail. but yes i agree it would be nice, but you have to remember not all manufactures see the benefit in sending bikes / frames to youtube content makers. so unless he buys it himself or someone loans one then it probably wont happen
This. The surly karate monkey looks pretty date on the geo charts, but I know a lot of people who love it. I've got a few other higher priority reviews coming, but I'll see if I can get a surly for review. I reached out to them a few months ago, but no reply yet.
hardtail party that’s crazy as I’d assume with QBP being as big as they are they’d send you one. It’s such a great bike. I use it as a xc/trail general riding bike. I’ve seen it set up as a trail bike (can take a 140mm fork), bikepacking, commuter, etc. I can’t explain how great the geometry is for ME. I had a Salsa Fargo, and it was great for gravel/adventure , but not as all around good as the KM to me. My only gripe is the horizontal dropout, but I understand why they spec it, and it still works for me. I will be going away from the 27.5+ next year with a custom 29er wheelset, but other than that it is spec’d appropriately for its price point.
Ironically, Salsa (also QBP) got back to me. Terravail and Surly, no luck. I'd be worried about the horizontal dropouts too. I don't mind sliding dropouts if they have some sort of chain tensioner on them, but straight sliding dropouts seems like a corner that was cut. Everyone i've met that's had a KM has loved it. I'll see if I can get one for review. Surly is definitely resisting modern geo trends.
Great review! Your dislikes are the same I had. I use a bottle cage with shorter bolts on the seat tube which allowed me to finally slam the dropper all the way down. Mine is also a size medium. I replaced those gosh awful tires with Maxxis Ardent 2.4 and dropped almost 2 pounds. I’m thinking of trying a different handlebar for trail riding but keep the original for bikepacking, which I bought the bike for and still haven’t done. Those changes have helped the bike a lot. But I ride it on the trails when I’m not in a hurry and just want to enjoy the scenery. Thanks again for your review and reinforcing the thoughts I had of the bike.
Weird. I removed my too bolt and the seat still won't slide all the way down.
That is strange. Life on the PM2 was pretty miserable before I was able to get the post all the way in. Such a short distance makes such a big difference when you’re 5 foot 7.
Great review and I totally support you : you have to be objective and direct in your reviews.
Cheers from Panama and all the best with your TH-cam Channel....
I have a 2019 Pine Mountain 1 size L which has 27.5 x 2.8 plus tires. I don’t have a dropper and the seat rarely hits me. The large is a little less slack on the top tube which may make a difference since there isn’t as much seat tube to drop. Note: I did need to cut an inch off the seat post since the were hitting the bosses. The 2020 is a newer design which is why I ran out and got the 2019. Also got mine for $1k at year end prices, pre-covid. Great review. Spot on.
I own this bike, really dig it. the good news is it's a super flexible frame, the bad news is it's a super flexible frame. Smooth ride, but is slow to accelerate.
i got the 2018 pine mountain with the plus tires and its super fun on trails, the geometry is a bit old school but I've never felt like it held it back.
Thanks for the review dude i love seeing the pine mountain getting sum luv!
The Flow Snaps are notorious for not liking rocks and janky roots, they have soft knobs (which is good), but the sidewalls are soft too (which is bad).
Not to mention they are SLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW tires, no matter which compound you get.
Hmmmmm black diamond trails,
no waters bottles, kept a strong faster pace, while talking..respect !
Front end : can you twist the bars forward a few degrees for comfort ?
Rear end : can you remove seat post bolt aka water bottle cage / bag bolt to lower dropper ? Do you waste energy with that much frame flex ?
You definitely used this bike out of
it's intended elements & you did a great job while your wife was riding
Fsr mtb. I think a pine mountain 2 with Jones H 2.5 bars & a lighter
groupo would be my ideal bike for
fire trails, packing, & just all around
riding + it fits my mantra : I get there
when I get there. The supple compliant frame is priceless to me.
Sounds like the Knight wheelset + Schwalbe (lightweight) Plus tires, OneUp bar and Pike fork on the next review. ;)
Also want to add, thank you for your honest reviews! I subscribed to other channels as well but like you said, they are mostly marketing because at the end of their videos, all bikes reviewed, rides "good" and you're still lost trying to narrow down what bike you want. lol
I haven't found a schwalbe tire i like in this terrain yet, but it would be interesting to swap a bunch of parts onto this frame to see how supple I could get it, and to see if I could make it ride more modern. I might have to try this...
@@hardtailparty See if Vittoria will send you a set of their new Agarros. I'm liking them on the dirt and roots in Santa Cruz. Curious to see if they hold up in the desert. Only down side is they max out at 2.6 and they only measure out to 2.4 on a 33mm wheel.
Nice review! My girlfriend is wondering if this is the bike she needs for our future bike travels. We use our bikes mostly on long bikepacking trips and light mountain biking so i think this is a great bike for that! Looking fordward to your bikepacking review! Thank you for sharing honest thoughts! Best MTB Channel!
Stay tuned for the bikepacking trip I take it on, where I answer those questions. Depending on her size, strength, and weight, it may not be an issue.
Anyway she is going to carry 20 extra kg of gear, despite feeling heavy unloaded, wouldnt that extra weight make the bike feel alive where others may not?. That should make the bike flex even with a lighter rider?
Sorry for my english!
Cheers!
@@alexcasal3207 I don't think it would feel more "alive" but it would definitely feel more solid and connected to the ground.
Agree on the weight. I’m 5’9” and weigh just about 200 lbs and don’t mind the bike weight so much since it’s sooooo comfortable.
I was just looking at that bike today, how convenient. Currently riding a 2019 tokul 3 (with a ton of upgrades) and I love it. I'm trying to find a budget hardtail for my partner.
I actually have a pine mountain, great bike.....just needed to change the wheels, cranks, tyres, bars and stem 😂. I feel your pain.
I’ve got a 2018 one and love it. Pretty new to mountain biking and had a marlin 6 before but always wanted a steely. Don’t know what it is but just love it but know I’ll outgrow it when I get more confident.
Holy smokes... I’m half way through your review and spot on agree so far on the same points. I own this bike ... agree with the seat post I have med and 30” inseam and so I yanked it and put on a setback Thompson and it’s better. Agree it’s a pig but the frame rides fantastic so love that for comfort. So pleased you also find the hand position odd. After 2 hours my thumb n wrists were sore. I’ve canted it more forward and helped slightly but they have to go. Like the 50mm rise so will look for something in that realm. Dead on with the sticky fork as well. I however love the drivetrain. Might swap in a xt shifter but impressed so far. Love how no matter the load on the cranks it seamlessly shifts. Ok... back to the 2nd half but just had to comment since we were so aligned so far. Also... seat was not bad but did put a brooks b17 on.
The detail and insights you can’t get by looking at spec pages is really great. Please keep going. Also what happens to the bikes when you are done? Do they go back, used as demo, sold as used?
They get shipped back to the manufacturer. Contrary to popular belief, I don't own 30 hardtails. :)
On the video it looks like rotating the bar forwards might be worth a try... then the bar would not hang as much, and it would give a bit more room... Interesting rig anyways... :) Thanks for the video :)
Great minds think alike. It's actually rolled super far forward. You can see it on a few of the profile shots.
@@hardtailparty probably the wide angle shot that gets me there :D
Great review on this bikepacking bike.
The handlebar is like from some old DJ/steeet MTB which i installed on my HT 29er now. Coming full circle.
I'm really digging the high rise handlebars lately, especially for bikepacking.
@@hardtailparty yeah because most part of the trip is just really sitting down pedaling and enjoying the view. 20% aggressive mode.
Love your videos! Keep up the great work. Would love to see a review on the steel Spot Rocker.
Oh man, me too. I've been trying to get my hands on one for a while. I'm buddies with the guys at spot but still no luck. I've only pedalled a few around the parking lot. The geo looks a little dated, but it looks amazing in person with that blue frame.
I've got a very low end hardtail that I ride no matter what and just deal with it, took it to Dennis Weaver Memorial Park in Ridgway Colo over the weekend on some intermediate stuff, I'm still alive so I guess it did just fine
Nice! Ride what ya got. You don't need to spend a ton of money to have fun on a hardtail.
@@hardtailparty mountain bikers are kinda ride what ya got kinda people anyway :) love you and Teresas channels, keep it up!
I am not exited at all about this Marin Pine Mountain . But the Marin San Quentin 3 is a great and aggressive Hard Tail that performs extremely well . Is a 27.5 with 130 mm suspension . Comes factory build with 2.6 tires but I switched to 2.4 tires because I ride in muddy Trails and 2.4 works better in those roads.
A very solid and fun bike .
Is one of the most popular Marin models !
I'll have one in for review soon.
Yey!
@@sethnicholls7861 😂😂😂
I have 2 San Quentin 3’s. I’ve found them to feel slow. I’ve tried 2 different sets of tires. It will be interesting to see what you think Steve. I also have a Vitus Sentier stock tires and it is very quick and fun to ride.
I'm actually trying to source riser bars for that exact reason. That low stack is crazy.
Excellent review!
Just all the bosses/mounts made me realize that the Pine Mountain wasn't a trail bike like the one from 3-4 yrs ago. Marin should have kept the P.M. a trail bike and just came out with a dedicated bikepacking model.
I just got a 2020 Marin bobcat trail 5 and its awesome
Right on! Glad you like it.
I have this bike from a couple years ago and I agree with everything you said. It does not reward you for riding it hard but rather going with the flow. Definitely mellow with a pinch of zen and your 70s stoner analogy was apt and pretty funny. I've changed nearly every component on it, but I think a longer stem was the first thing I changed. That said, spinning up a moderate grade is actually enjoyable on this bike. I'm looking forward to your proper bike-packing review of it. Perhaps you can get it into a forest, rolling in loamy dirt, tree roots and leaves and/or pine needles (road trip?)
Man, I'm in need of a good road trip into loamy forests.
@@hardtailparty Flag, maybe? Trees there, at least. 😁
@@bonkasaurus_wrecks I've already filmed the bikepacking adventure on this bike, but I'll be doing some trips in flag soon.
Buen video Saludos from tijuana
I have an opportunity to purchase this bike (2022 version) for $950 + tax. It's not my preferred choice but for the price I feel like it's a steal.
They must've changed it. I have 2017-2018 PM2+, Columbus Thorn tubing, came with a Fox up front for 3.25" tire. WTB scrapper rims 2.8 tires cost $3Kish. Mine is pretty good up-down & all around. Rear end looks the same as yours maybe 69° head angle... still Flexi in the back, is nice. Broke one frame because the rear axle thing was overly complicated and did not hold as it should have. replaced with Robert Axle Project maxle solid and good since. Marin replaced frame went up one size to large as Hesitation Point Bike Shop had that in stock and the medium was smallish. Still think its a great bike dare i say funner in not so steeps. way different than my Chromag Stylus ... Still the Chromag has it's charms.
Seems like a comfortable bike for weekly rides/tours.
A good friend of mine has that bike he let me borrow it that was the smoothest bike I've ever ridden but it definitely is a tank I'm very flexible tank LOL
How about tilting the handlebars a bit forward? A bit more reach and maybe less awkward bend. Btw, according to Marin Website these handlebars are made with mounting a handlebar bag in mind. Sounds reasonable.
Stoner from the 70’s 🤣😂🤣😂epic!!!
The anti-Strava bike. Sign me up!
What exactly is weighing this bike down? I understand it's steel and it's not an $8000 bike. But steel companies like Kona and Ritchie don't have a problem getting bikes under 30 pounds, even ones in the price range of this bike. I had a '17 XL Cannondale Trail 3 with a boat anchor coil spring fork and mainly an LX drivetrain that weighed in at about 30 pounds even, maybe slightly less. And it was also just a little bit more than half the price of this Marin.
Have you ever ridden the Marin Bobcat trail 5? Or the Rocky Mountain Soul 20?
No, not yet.
Maybe a quick review with lighter wheels & better tires? I almost went with a rigid 2019 with plus tires(which I am told 2020 is now based around 29x2.6) that was in sale last Fall, but I couldn't find one in my size or one that was 1x. It was like $650 new & looked fun, but people told me the only con is it's weighty for it's spec.
That geo of the 2019 rigid was pretty old-school. It's too bad the pine mtn 1 doesn't have 12mm thru-axle dropouts and uses a QR. I'm sure you could run 27.5+ tires on this. I think it'd be fun, and probably my preference for bikepacking. Stay tuned for the bikepacking review of this bike.
Those handle bars look dope on that hardtail...
They're aluminum. Not super high quality aluminum, but at least they're not steel. I was looking at the surly sunrise handlebar, and they're 1.7 LBS! I'm not a weight weenie, but that's ridiculous.
I love hardtails too though!!!
In the off chance youre still monitoring this thread, how would you feel about this bike - the 2023 rendition, as a basis/platform for a bafang 1000w conversion? I need an off-road recon bike that can pull hills and negotiate rutty fire roads.
Praying for you too man, just saw your health update message..
Id probably want something a little sturdier for an ebike conversion.
see if that dropper can use the one up shims to get an exact length fit for the dropper. I know they work with one up and tranz x and the pnw posts.
Very interesting. I think it's a trans x. I'll look into it.
hardtail party I sent you a picture of them in your IG DM. Good stuff.
My Hawk Hill 3 came with Flow Snaps. I changed them out as soon as I could. They're heavy and slow rolling. I know Marin probably wanted to save money on the tire selection, but it's not really a good place to do so. I hope they never use those tires again.
I'll bet the tanwalls have sold more bikes than any other component. But yeah, those tires SUCK for my terrain.
What? Dusty Betty is your wife??? Hell of a couple right there! Awesome!
She's the best
Saw this and that it was made in steel really made me hope it was at least slightly progressive in the geo dept. But hey I ride a Cotic, steel is real kids 👌🏻
It's pretty progressive, especially for an adventure bike.
@@hardtailparty Out of interest does the dropper go down further with the bolts out or is the threaded section that deep into the seat post tubing? I'm sure a man of your experience checked it, but worth an ask. Not like you're short on frame real estate to store stuff if you were to fill or cover one.
Less than ideal on a brand new bike though I get that.
Unfortunately, removing the bolt doesn't fix the problem on the size med. Someone in the comments below mentioned doing that on their size large and it worked, but it didn't work on a size med. Even with the bolt completely removed, the post is bottoming out on something inside the frame.
Do you think the flex around the BB is making the bike feel heavier, as your energy goes into bending the steel rather than turning the tires over?
No. I've ridden a lot of full suspensions that squish a ton more, and many of those still feel light. I think it's the wheels and tires. I'll be doing some more experiments to see if I can get the bike feeling normal.
Hey past 15k subs woot woot!
Thanks! Huge milestone for me. Hopefully we can keep up this momentum.
Have you checked out the esker hayduke? Haven't heard of them before but one popped up on my feed. Seems interesting and has similar intentions to this bike as a bike packing steel hardtail that can still be used for trail riding with modern geo. Lots of water bottle bosses but not quite as crazy as this. Slightly pricier but still similar price point.
Yes, I've ridden one. It was pretty vanilla. It didn't do anything exceptionally poor or well.
Would love to see you review of sonder transmitter from alpkit in the UK!
I'd love to review one as well. Unfortunately sonder isn't interested in sending one at this time.
@@hardtailparty Would be cool to hear your opinion, really enjoying mine so far!
You could always take out the bolt to fit a larger dropper.
I did, and it didn't so anything. The threaded inserts they use interfere.
@@hardtailparty Oh ok. I didn't think of that.
Most supple ever, dang. That really makes me wish they would sell the frame only!
I'm super curious to strip all the parts off and weigh just the frame, but that's an awful lot of work just for a number.
Steve, I need a tire pressure gauge, what do you use on the trail to get an accurate reading? I have one a standing pump and one on my pump in my bag and both give different readings so I need something that is more accurate. Thank you in advance.
This is what I use:
amzn.to/2M6GKiU
Hi! As you said at the end of the video, did you trye this frame with other components to make it lighter. And if yes, did you change your opinion as a trail bike?
I did some experimenting, but I still don't think it's an ideal trail bike.
@@hardtailparty thank you for your answered !
Is it because it's too noodely and not much responsived as a suspension bike but without the benefice of a suspension to absorb the rocks?
@@philippedarmon3904 no, it's the geo
Please review Orange P7
Cheers!
I've reached out to them, but I haven't heard back. Maybe this channel will be big enough one day for some more UK companies to send bikes for review.
Good news. I've got one on the way.
hardtail party Wow that was quick 👍🏼
Do you attribute that nearly noodle-ish ride to those relatively thin seatstays!?
Ha you literally just answered my question while I was watching.
Have you rode San Quentin 3 from Marin?
Hey there! I just found your channel and have truly enjoyed your content and advice! I am looking at spending around 3,000 for a aggressive Hardtail. I am 5’4” and 150lbs what would you recommend (brand and size) for riding around horse tooth in Fort Collins Colorado? Much appreciated and keep having fun!
Check out my existing reviews playlist, it should help you narrow your decision a bit.
hardtail party oh I have been watching all those videos! Excellent stuff! The ibis DV9 sounds interesting! The honzo and Santa Cruz chameleon as well!
@@storage-space4927 I wouldn't consider any of those "aggressive", but they'd be good for Fort Collins.
hardtail party that’s kind of were I am at. What’s good for the terrain I will be riding. Also going to curt gowdy in Wyoming. I am just learning about slack and seat angles. Is there one bike in particular you would recommend that has kind of an almost perfect (perfect may only exist if I custom built) aggressive hardtail? And thank you again for the responses!
I would argue that you don't need an aggressive hardtail for those trails. That's not a dig. I know riding an "aggressive" hardtail sounds more hardcore than a trail/mellow hardtail, but for that stuff, the bikes you mentioned would be great. An aggressive hardtail would work out there, but you'd have more fun on a regular hardtail that's not crazy aggressive.
Is there any way you could review the Ribble HT 725??
I've reached out to them a handful of times, but they never got back to me.
Can't you just take out the top bottle cage bolt so you can lower the dropper some more?
Unfortunately, no. Sadly it's not just the bolt, but the female threaded insert too
light front end typical bikepacking setup. maybe put a load on the front and see how it behaves. of course, then that heavy bike gets even porkier.
Stay tuned for my review on bikepacking mode. That's what this bike is truly meant for, so it was a little unfair to review it as a trail bike here.
Nice video
Enjoyed the ride ..
I have a question
I installed a 120mm Rock Shox fork on my hard tail and before it was stock with a 100mm fork with a 67 degree headtube angle .
So now with swapping fork to a 120 mm fork should the headtube angle be at 66 degrees now
Thanks
Correct. And your seat tube should be 1* slacker too, and your bb will be higher.
hardtail party
Ok good deal
I was at 67.8 Headtube
73.5 seat tube
I’m running a 785mm bar with a 40mm stem
I’m 6.1 so it feels pretty good for me
Do you feel this is a decent modern geometry?
Thanks for the reply
You'll feel the HTA change in the first 5 mins or less then it will feel normal.
PJ Sinohin it does feel normal
It didn’t feel like a drastic change to me . But with the Raceface 785mm bars and the slacker feel I like it better for sure
What's the reach? Reach is a big part of the equation on modern geo.
So kona make a back packing bike with a slackish head angle but there honzo has a steep head angle ????
this isn't a kona
Your bar is inversely mounted?
Nope
Thanks for the review. It seems like a bike that would be great for long adventures - especially if you can get bags to just "snap" in to all those water bottle bosses.....
Exactly. That's what it was designed for. I'll be reviewing it in that environment soon.
Can you review the Kona Unit X sometime?
I've tried to get one, but Kona won't get back to me.
@@hardtailparty :(
What kind of handle bars are those?
Marin
@@hardtailparty ok thanks I was just curious about the bars. awesome bike review. I have been liking the hardtails more and more since they can get the job done on most trails. I have really short arms and have an adaptive bikes and liked the handle bars.
how can someone send you MTB swag mail instead of patreon?
you can reach out via instagram or email me at hardtailparty at gmail
It seems strange that they would make a Adventure / Bike packing bike so heavy. It Looks like a cool bike, but the weight puts me off
I guess if you're going to be loading up your bike with 10-20lbs of gear, shedding a pound or two wouldn't make a huge difference in the end.
Link to the hardtailparty gear sn't working😭
The link to the shirts?
@@hardtailparty yeah, its the dreaded "404" error when clicking on it.
@@jamesbosuego Fixed it. Thanks for catching that!
@@hardtailparty thanks, I just ordered some swag!. Long sleeve jerseys in the future I hope!
I'm trying to get a hooded sunshirt limited edition. We'll see what happens...
It’s those Vee Tire Flow Snaps. They’re abysmal.
Now I'm curious to try some different wheels/tires to see how it does.
hardtail party I just put Maxxis Rekon 2.6 and 2.4 on my Marin Rift Zone. I know you’re not a big fan of them but they seem to fit my riding style and the terrain around here. But also they seem like they would fit well with the style and intended use of that Pine Mountain and it would drop some considerable weight.
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They look like bmx bars
What tires are those
Vee rubber snap.
What is your wife's TH-cam channel? Can you add it to your description or reply. I'm trying to get my wife into mtb.
It's dusty betty. There's a little white dot at the top right of the video when I mention it. Click on it, it's a link to her channel
i take all those bolts out.
Watch out for rust.
@@hardtailparty yeah i know but i dont ride in the rain that often i can spray a little t3 in there rust is going to happen anyway ive pulled blots out that were rusted. for me when im not bolting stuff down its not worth the weight of having all my bolts in
@@hardtailparty Is it not ED coated on the inside like the El Roy?
Today"s stoners are disappointed you do not consider them as cool as their dads.
Stoner bike :)
I don’t like the handlebars at all sorry lol
Because of the looks?
Yes the look lol
I dig it. I like different. I'm looking for the right klunker/riser bar for my low-stack bikes.
Yeah I can see why some would like it...it’s just not for everyone I guess...but most things aren’t either lol 😀👍
Those tires are awful. Definitely one of the reasons it's slow.