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- In this video, Calvin Robinson didn't hold back on challenging me and others about our decision to stay in the Church of England... he didn't hold back!
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I'm a homeless 56 year old, I have a job, but I do not have photographic ID. I do not ask for alms, but have become mendicant, in the traditional sense of the word (The Church of Rome) I posted a comment on a website called Quora digest, and said how much I found the 23rd Psalm comforting, and profound given my situation, and asked if there were any passages from The Bible that could help me. One person said that our Lord Jesus Christ had nowhere to rest his head. I found this very comforting and it gave me strength and the courage too carry on.
All I need is God's Love. And I have it in abundance.
God bless, you do have friends out there
I well remember when my parish priest was under excruciating pressure from the bishop to be quiet about same sex union. We all knew about it. We began to see an influx of new families and found out that they were coming from other Episcopal parishes to worship with us. The Diocese of Bolivia took us in and we began meeting in a middle school cafeteria. Every Sunday we trucked in everything we needed to make it our church. Within two years we had land and a beautiful building. Our priest was in Jerusalem for the founding of GAFCON. He is the now the Archbishop of the Anglican Church in North America. He name is Foley Beach. I am a founding member of Holy Cross Anglican Church which is the diocesan and provincial cathedral. I thank God for this brave and holy priest who led his flock to a place of safety. May God grant you special grace and wisdom as you wrestle with your decision.
Stay until God shows you clearly that you need to go. As Calvin said, work towards leaving and going where God leads you. Keep the video's coming. Thank you for your openness and your honesty.
Leave in Jesus name.
Isn't that what protestants do? Leave.
Work and serve as to the Lord 🙏🙌🙏❤️
@@Kitiwakewhy would you stay in an apostate ??
God is showing him in this conversation.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon me, a sinner, Amen
Calvin, you were my favourite on GBN, abd still are, you're so wonderful, wise, brave and straightforward ❤ Never stop standing up for the truth and for what is right, you give me hope when I Iose faith in mankind 🙏 we need voices like yours in this time, my brother in Christ. you have such incredible energy about you, and integrity that's so rare these days. God bless you, ❤ you
Edit don't let them silence you, we support you 💯🤲
Calvin, 'oi nothoi (as in Hebrews 12:8) don't let them grind you down.
Hi, Calvin!! You are Amazing!! Thank you for standing up for the truth!! God bless you mightily!! :-)
Calvin we love you just the way you are.x
We must get back into God's Word. Trust Jesus. There's always been opposition against righteousness. Pray, pray n pray again.
Tough conversation with Calvin,but fundamentally when a religion dilutes core theology it is on its way to dissolution.
Homophobia isn't core theology.
Who have I been texting to all that time if you are X why don't you call me and tell me instead of all the bs
You know how I feel, you can't do that to me especially not after our Lord God telling me through everything digital that you have done it. It's like you,we are out there in the universe, you know exactly what I mean. They are evil that's what's wrong with them.
I have this person on my phone every time I txt but I don't know how they could be on it 24/7 it doesn't make sense well it does if you are deceased and that's why I was getting the phone calls and no body on the other end and others were charities but I don't know why I feel when it's happening if you are
@@beatonthedonis Well said
Disagreement isn't phobia... grow up
Praying for Calvin, Laurence and Dan.
And Neil.
@@littleflower9425was here to say the same thing.
They need more than prayer.
I can fully endorse this complete and utter waste of time and energy.
No, God will answer prayer@@utv5490
A good, much needed conversation! Thank you both.
You gave me so much hope on gb news thank you Calvin 💜🙏
Calvin - a great man of honour, honesty, wit, transparency and spirit 🙏
honour that demands he laughs along with and encourages someone he works with who made unacceptable mysognistic comments about a woman that he disagreed with? - namely that he didn't regard her worthy enough for him to sleep with. Do you not think the honourable thing - the Christ like thing to do - was to call him out on that?
"This is the devil going down kicking and screaming"
YES! Well said.
God bless you both. Thank you for having Calvin Robinson on. For this old lady it’s wonderful to see that both of you are lovely christian young men following our Lord and Savior.
Thank you Dan and Calvin. Praying for you both
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Rev. Dan, you are a beacon of light in the darkness that the Church of England has become.
Retired CofE Cleric… Bishop’s PTO… Rev. Dan and Fr. Calvin both speak sense! Where do I go? Michael
Very good conversation between you both.
Dan, I’d stay until you are fired if that’s the end result. Your voice of truth is needed right now and I’d stay as long as you possibly can. Yes we should walk by faith but God also gave us wisdom!
Keep the videos coming though, they are really good. I will be praying 🙏🏼
Being fired also forces the episcopacy to expose its hand publicly. He will deserve an explanation of the just cause for termination. A priest leaving of his own volition can be spun anyway the bishop likes
@@margaretbenne He thinks of himself as a persecuted "whistleblower" of some kind.
NO ! He shouldn't be complicit with the heresy. It's the paycheck maybe ?
Thank you. God will lead you. Blessings to you 🙏🏻
Wow that was a tough conversation, if you haven’t already Dan maybe speak to Revd Brett Murphy he left the C of E with his lovely wife Kat and 2 kids who were 100% behind him, I think he would say it’s been tough and challenging to move lock stock and barrel to another are but he’s doing great because God is very obviously with him and his family, 8 weeks in and his congregation has gone from 2 to 30. We were on holiday a couple of weeks ago and went to a service there you could feel the Holy Spirts presence and the church had been closed for 4 years previously I guess waiting for them to take it on. Bless you Dan such a hard decision for you and your family to make when you are all happy and settled where you are, and maybe for now it is in fact where God wants you to be, I’m sure he will burden you if it gets to the stage where he wants you to move on with or without your congregation. Will continue to pray for you all 🙏
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Revd Brett Murphy is uncompromising. I hope God continues to bless his mission.
Good to have these conversations. Evil propagates in the shadows.
One step at a time.. the time will come and you will know what needs to be done.
I’m Catholic. We’re having our own problems, so we also need Christian voices like Calvin’s to urge us forward in the way of Jesus. Paul’s words apply to us as to the first Christians. Run the race. Thank you.
I was raised in the RC, and "nondenominational MERE CHRISTIAN" for the past 40 years. Could/ would never think of returning to RC for several reasons, but Calvin's challenge is pertinent to the current 😅 19:42 RC members in light of Francis and his deviant lessons..
Praying for this vicar; understanding his tension and apprehension.
As a Catholic, I find the Church of England hierarchy and organisation very complicated and confusing. Thank you for this discussion. I am praying for you, please pray for us, we are also going through difficulties.
With Francis exactly
Note that the "difficulties" in Rome are identical .. the Episcopal Church in the US and the Church of England heresy rumblings began with female clergy, blessing of sexual sins and relationships , allowed laxity in authority of Bishops as Pope Francis is
currently exhibiting
The Roman church ⛪️ is even worse off I’m afraid? Let us all pray for one another as most are truly apostate 🙏
Fr calvin is a shining light for the truth of christ. As a catholic I an saddened by the worldly change in all churches of christ. Time to move maybe to a christ believing church.
Calvin makes a strong point about the root of the word Vicar and why that matters.
GOD bless Calvin Robinson. HERO. ❤🙏
“There is nowhere else to go; there’s no structure, there’s no churches . . .” -Man.
“ Wherever two or more are gathered together in my name, I am there. “-Jesus Christ.
Historical traditions, beloved ritual, beautiful buildings, wonderful artwork-none of these will be found in heaven. They are beloved, familiar trappings (and not necessarily bad), but they are external considerations and are not necessary to Christianity. If they were, Christ, or his apostles, would have instituted them. The essence of Christianity is Christ-and nothing more.
Misquoted scripture...
One of our local parishes here in Florida had this problem when the Episcopal began to tear apart. The Bishop, who claimed to be conservative said he felt he should work from within to bring order back to the church. Since we have been watching this "work for change from within" fail for 30 years. The majority of the parishioners from the largest church in the area had no choice but to walk away. These people along with a conservative priest set up a place of worship in a storefront space in a shopping plaza and worshiped there for over 10 years until they were able to build a new parish church and become a member of the Anglican Church of North America. My own parish chose to stay with the Episcopal Diocese so I left. I'm very proud of the ACNA where many of the churches had to struggle, but they survived and are now thriving, planting new churches all over North America, which includes Mexico. It isn't easy, but it can be done. God bless your work in the UK.
Over 30 years ago, watched a new guitar led church open across the street for the Hispanic immigrants ... we were in a Hispanic neighborhood. I thought it was inspiring.
What ever happened to that priest who led you out of ECUSA?
No one led me away, I just stopped going. It's been over 13 years. I miss it, but there can be no compromise.
I am grateful that you referenced the plight of the laity. My husband and I have written to various bishops about our concerns over the Bishops and Archbishops straying from Biblical truth. We usually get an initial response and then weasel words… the ‘best’ one was from our bishop who said he was far too busy with the King’s coronation to respond further 🙈
Thank you for sharing your truths. You and your husband are obviously very good people who are not afraid to speak up and question things that are clearly wrong and I am most grateful to you both. We do have an infestation of evil throughout the UK, as do many other Countries, which is clearly seen by many bizarre behaviours such as multiple genders, and lack of Borders etc. As someone who was illegally targeted 10 years ago by GVEDIRECT (Skype name) for purposes of attempted mind control (yes, it really does exist) after I did not take a £100,000 per year job that I deemed as not being good for my moral compass, I can state quite honestly that what I endured after the targeted literally was demonic, and absolute evil. All of which was covered up by the police, so, it is so important that we all take a stand now and put evil back under the stone it crawled out from under. God bless you and your husband 🙏 ✝️👍😊 keep spreading your truths 🙏
I could listen to Calvin Robinson daily as he so humble and bold in his faith, he is an example of how God wants us to be in him, faithful and righteous, such an amazing person in his attitude and steadfast faith. We need this in our life’s faith, truth, hope, peace and love, this can only be attained by seeking our Lord Jesus Christ, knock and the door will open, repent of our sins, seek his salvation, read the bible daily spend personal time with our Lord. God bless you Calvin Robinson and Rev Dave. Praying in our Lords name Psalm 91 for protection for you both. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️✝️✝️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧✝️😱
I love sincere Christian brothers .
They offer me hope for the future .
the Church of CHRIST is not the building
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Rev Dan thank you for your service to your flock which Father God has entrusted to you. Your church building and the body of Christ in it are a sign to the principalities and powers that Christ is Lord and the Good Shepherd. May the God of all peace and encouragement strengthen and guide you as you feed His flock. ❤
Thank you both for a very important discussion. May our great Father give you wisdom and strength as you move forward in His power.
Really good conversation between two christians I have great respect for
An excellent conversation that raised so many issues with which so many of us are grappling. How to remain faithful to the call of God on our lives, be we in an official ministry position or a faithful person in the pew? How to deal with the peculiar position of the Church of England which, as Calvin and Dan point out, is not nearly as top-down as many think, and in which the PCCs hold real power? What do you do if you have been called to minister within a specific community? The list could and does go on. Thank you both!
You hit the nail on the head Calvin yet again ...... finding a way to get out of the hierarchy of the "church" and enter "The Chuch" within and feed your faith in God .... Keep up the message and refuse the false narrative. .... Love and best wishes all.🙏
Thanks, for having this conversation 🙏
There is no way of getting around it , this is a time of huge change.
When Calvin speaks I hear the words of God. The Anglican church has become worldly.
Wonderful discussion. Ive left the Anglican Church after 68 yrs but God honours his people. I miss the liturgy but am finding joy in my faith in new ways. Honour God and he will honour you keeps ringing in my ears. God bless you both Dan and Calvin.
God bless you both for recognizing that we serve God and Him only. He has made His mind very clear through the Bible. “ Come out from among them and be ye Separate, says the Lord “ I too have had the struggle of finding a permanent place among God’s people. I was called at 8 yrs of age, responded ,received Christ as my Saviour and Lord, among fundamental bible believers. The first 20 yrs was stable and wonderful. Then I moved to live in Canada. That brought me into the position you are now facing. I think the early church began in homes, and sometimes I believe, that’s where we are heading as the present age comes to a close. Strange to think you and I have come from such different positions and meeting similar trial of our faith. I prayed for you both as you ended the podcast, and will continue to remember you both in prayer. “ Be strong and of good courage “ the Lord is on our side.
The apostasy is interdenominational . Many churches in most countries have chosen to follow the culture instead of following the BIBLE. For this reason Sola Scriptura is vital. Calvin is an encouragement to many of us who do not live in the UK.
Sola scripture is not biblical and infact is the reason for the infiltration of modern vulgar culture. Everyone has their own ideas of how to read/interpret scripture without even studying it. Which results in hundreds of denominations. Follow your ancestors and head back to the church of Christ and become Catholic.
Calvin’s given you a hard time there Rev Dan - you’re both right … I attend the Free Church of Scotland in a big hall rented for the Sunday. It’s very busy. The established church outside is collapsing all around us - I had to leave. But I wasn’t a minister. Can’t be easy.
I was brought up Cof E in north London, broad church Anglican. The changes are amazing. My mother remembered the clergy supporting fox hunting at the Boxing Day hunt. Homosexuality in those days was considered a crime. Today in north London no clergy would endorse fox hunting, but many would regard homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle, especially around Highgate and Hampstead. In this area of London the C of E appears to be a woke joke having embraced a wishy washy ultra tolerant liberalism. Repentance and a clear understanding of our sinfulness, the prospect of eternal judgement are not taught. The Gospel has been compromised by woke ideologies.
are you suggesting it should still be crminal? My issue with blessings for gay couples is there is unlikely to be a massve take up for it. Vicars do blessings all the time . We are all sinners. There ie no hierachy of sin. Vicars could be doing blessings for people that could be doing awful things. Why comdemn gay people?
@@TheGagamonster21, homosexuality ,sodomy - is an abomination in God’s eyes. We hate the sin but love the sinner.
@@TheGagamonster21 when the vicars do the blessing, it is not the wrong things we do they are blessing. If we think same sex marriage is against the teaching of the Bible, that’s what they will be doing, won’t it?
@@TheGagamonster21 let’s love the sinner but condemn the sin. There is a lot of adultery in north London, but in an ultra tolerant society what the eye does not see the heart does not grieve over. Perhaps you have a pick and mix concept of sin. Romans 1 is very clear in my version of the NT Greek text, whether receptus or majority text. It’s love the sinner but condemn the sin. Dilige et quod vis fac? Good old Augustine.
You declare the Gospel has been comprimised. The Gospel - relates to the mission - the message, parables and sayings of Christ and the good news for salvation for all.
I do not recall Jesus talking much about homosexuality one way or the other - certainly not the criminalisation or decriminalisation of it. Nor does it say anything on fox hunting (though I have no idea what that red herring relates to whatsover). If homosexuality was an absolute central tenet of his mission on Earth then you may have a point.
You talk about *sin* - you may also recall about taking the log out of your own eye before taking the speck out of another is a sin. Jesus did talk about that in most serious terms. Maybe (it might be so) that homosexuality is a sin that is a but a speck (at least from God's view) - yet your own stance that of religious pride and legalism and judgmentalism is the log, the most serious stumbling block in your life, that you cannot perceive as you attempt to remove other people's specks. It was just so for the Pharisees.
Great conversation!
Very good to listen to. It’s the same in Canada & such a struggle to know what to do. What’s right is wrong and what’s wrong is right. And it’s not an issue with most. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🇨🇦😥
Hi Dan. Loved your humility as Calvin really blasted you with challenge after challenge around your remaining in the CofE. I would like to say to you that when you survived on a stipend, God did not come through for you, you came through for him! The test was yours not his. I think you should look at this current scenario in the same way. When God says leave you must leave but honestly if your bishop is who you serve then Calvins point is you cannot serve two masters. It's either God, whose word is clear around all this same sex heresy that has invaded the church, or your bishop. This is the point at which you need to make a choice. May God be with you and your family. I will pray for you
There’s nothing like poverty to try the genuineness of one’s faith.
God is faithful, but he will try your faith.
And he will always provide-again and again and again.
Read the life of George Muller, and be strengthened.
“What he’s (God) done for others, he will do for you.”
Dear Dan, we feel your dilemma. I think Dan, you know Calvin is right. You are faithful to the Lord. Your congregation is called to be faithful to the Lord, not the church.
I hope you have more conversations with Calvin. Your congregation must not hold you back or cause you to disobey the Lord. Don't let them make you feel guilty.
Bless you
We need to have hope...IN CHRIST, not men!
Christ is King, not man. The church is the people, not the building!
Excellent as ever.
Love Calvin, keep fighting for our rights, wish we had more strong great honest people like you. We will win with Gods help 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
It is worrying what to do about our faith, as the C of E is in such a mess with the bishops turning evil, their is now no church in our area that is not demonic. At present i am listening to online churches,as it is the only way on a sunday,but still not able to take communion as probable other people may be in the same situation. God Bless.Stay safe🙏
Good to have this discussion, we need more of it in the UK, we have been weak in this country for too long, that is why we are where we are!
Rev. 3:7 - 13
Calvin could leave the C of E more easily because he did not have a flock of his own at the time. I think the priest does have a responsibility to his flock, I can understand the dilemma.
Crunch time for me would be if SS blessings were forced on everyone and what happens in November is critical.
I have been C of E all my life, and I don't WANT o leave.
God bless you.
You're A BRAVE man Calvin. Shame there's not more like you. Wil miss you and your show, and Dan and lozzie and Neil now too it seems. Have said farewell to the channel. They were onto something really good. Now they're not. Cheers. Calvin, I am praying for you that you are able to stay in your flat. Please just keep a presence on TH-cam and Twitter. Praying for The Lord's blessings and mercies on you.
Well said Calvin👏 👏 keep speaking your truths. God bless you 🙏✝️👍😊 Thank you for representing the many 🙏
The first religious vidio I have watched although I am church of England. It was interesting. X
God will provide for you and your family if you honour him. Pray and put your trust in Him and He will direct your path. We need you to take a stand in these evil days and apostate state of the church. Come out from among them. Praying for you 🙏🙏🙏
Calvin Robinson is so eloquent and dedicated its always a joy to listen to him. As a Roman Catholic, Id love him to come to us but hes a great asset wherever he is. GB News has made a big mistake.
Welcome to the Catholic Church where we have an heratic imposter pope. I shall continue in my catholic faith to Jesus Christ and God.
He is calling His Remnant 🙏
Appreciation and blessings from Sydney Australia .
Thank You✨✨🇺🇸✨✨
Those of us who are truly united in Christ must put on the full armour of God and stand together. It's the gospel that's important and there are so many people who are not being given the opportunity to hear it. We're not going to be having the retirement we were expecting as my husband is now to lead a New Frontiers church plant in rural Cornwall. Currently, we've got no launch team, no budget and no place to meet. What we have is a great God, a wonderful message to share, people committed to pray for us from the wider network of churches and, as you say, the 'newer' denominations are standing firm on Biblical Truths. What is being preached from the Church of England pulpits hereabouts ranges from miracles aren't literal, universal salvation to full-on progressive Christianity where all creeds are recited but rejected. The Methodists are selling their chapels for housing and won't consider allowing another denomination to use those spaces. Odd times.
Love Calvin
Agree Calvin. Teach people how to put on Gods armour. Be the shepard on the street.
I like listening to pastor Calvin , he has the heart for people of God and value eternity of people that it lies with God not man's opinion
A lot of respect for Rev Roberson.
Rev Dan you have much more cred than Robinson who is hardly a pastor , don’t bow down to his intimidation no matter the pressure to leave. Even John Stott wouldn’t bow down to Martyn Lloyd-Jones at the famous 1966 meeting at Westminster central hall and MLJ is completely on another level to Robinson to boot. Your priority is feed your flock so stay with them! I am btw an evangelical methodist minister and former faith mission evangelist of thirty years standing. Blessings on you, Rev Dr John
Great discipling from Calvin here! ‘Living life in Christ doesn’t mean just turning up in Sunday morning’ ! You need to go! Are you actually ‘standing’ if you stay?!?
I remember when some of us left the Church of England over the women's ordination. Our priest left, I left and one other, but most of the congregation stayed. That congregation has since greatly diminished, a tiny fraction of what it used to be, so I guess while people didn't initially leave, many must have drifted away since and the older ones passed on following the upset. Although the later decline could have been for other reasons.
People want orthodoxy and not wishy-washy 'new-speak' that dilutes the truth.
The traditional Christians in high places need to unite and form their own campaign to bring back the staunch traditional Christianity, etc 👍
Such a challenging conversation. There'll be different points of view in relation to how to respond - stay or go? A real dilemma! Keep listening for God's voice and calling, Dan - it will be there somewhere amongst all the noise of advice and opinion. Elijah heard it...Samuel heard it...Abraham heard it...and faithful believers today will hear it too. God bless you.🙏
I would Urge the congregation demand an open discussion on this subject, in every church around the country.
This was a fascinating one for me as I know Calvin from his presence in the media that I follow. I think he puts forth a good deal of sense in that arena and it was very interesting for me to hear him speak in his 'real' role as a Christian priest.
I am not a Christian in terms of applying that label to myself but, by virtue of being born English in the 60's, I am de facto Christian in what my views on morality and fairness are. Also, altho' I am not officially Christian and, indeed, have some issues with stances and acts that the Church has been involved in in times past, I am definitely of the belief that without the glue of the Church to hold things together then the social fabric unravels. That belief has sprung from what I have seen with my own eyes as I have witnessed my country starting to come apart and seen that those in power are so visibly corrupt and self serving now.
The death of the Queen will hasten that collapse I fear, as she was the last vestige of stability from the Old World that was keeping things steadier than they otherwise would have been. I don't think that our King has it in him to fulfil the role - it is no fault of his own but he has been 'in waiting' for far too long and to fit himself into such a strictured position at his age is too difficult an ask.
So there is a natural vacuum that I think it will be necessary for religion to fill - and I can't believe I am saying that! We need something to show clear and plain what is moral and what is not or we shall wither in a slow collapse of poisonous relativism.
EDIT: And the strangest of things at the very end there; my reaction to your saying Grace together was a deep one, causing tears to spring to my eyes. No idea what that is all about but it certainly caught me by surprise.
I feel the same way. Born in the 1970's and had smatterings of Christianity throughout childhood, although I don't consider myself to have faith. I do think there is a massive vacuum since the Queen's death, she was a stabilising presence that I don't feel the King provides.
you watch gbnews ? you need some serious praying for if so!
Churches like Vineyard have learnt to go where they can squeeze in. Schools or empty shops etc. but it’s not as easy as walking into a parish church. You will know when you’re ready to go. Leaders in vineyard may have houses etc already from teaching etc
Yay! Calvin!🎉❤ Hello from Washington State, USA
God is very were those how want our lord Jesus Christ and his father the lord o mighty let them all face him for their own be the glory of him will they be with him if love him and his father the glory to be with him for their no coming back they are not doing god work for the day he will sit down with the lord for is a blessing to us all a real man of god
God bless you both 🕊🙏🏻🕊🙏🏻🕊🙏🏻
Following from Adelaide Australia 🕊🙏🏻🕊
Apostasy is everywhere in our churches, the following of the scripture has been changed to suit the world, not to be truthful in the way of the word of truth. We are living in a world that is worried , scared to speak the truth, this is stated in the bible the fall of our great church. Our spiritual well-being is crucial in the true pastors and vicars that follow the truth of the Gospel and our Lord Jesus Christ. The wages of Sin is death, the Bishops and Archbishops will pay as their sin in changing the bible to suit the world, not the truth of God will be paid by our Gods wrath, Romans 6:23 God Bless Calvin and Rev Dave 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Brilliant dialogue. Im new on this channel but already know ill be a regular viewer 😊
God bless you both
There is nothing ‘orthodox’ anywhere in the protestant churches. I released this and could see the way the C of E was going many years ago. Consequently I was baptised into the Orthodox Church thirty years ago. I have never regretted it and thank God for it daily. Orthodoxy is the fullest expression of the gospel and the holy fathers. I would encourage all to seek Orthodoxy. ☦️☦️☦️
Wow u joined a narrow Greek group who couldn't care less about their neighbours and who hate non orthodox. Good luck
Her Majesty, our flag , Calvin, Dan - I can now die happy.
I know going off and starting your own church outside of an organisation is maybe not your way and like Calvin or Rev.Brett you might walk into another Church but, there have been thousands, probably more than thousands of people who were called to start their own churches (which are not subject to such heresies) and they’ve stepped out in faith. Often started home groups first then renting small buildings.
They’re stories of how they’ve done things, under Gods direction, their journey of faith in accomplishing are very encouraging.
I’d say read these stories because they will encourage your faith. Build your faith. You want the Isaac not Ishmael anyway.
In Gods timing, I’d also focus you mind on Christ, in the Bible we see countless times where it’s in Gods timing, Saul comes to mind here, God will speak to other people because we are a Family of God not an organisation and He cares for you and your Family but stepping out in Faith and Living by Faith will surely bring testimonies of Gods goodness. Trust Fully and step by step.
We are who God is working through and working for today this Generation we are it. Just as prayer went up, God answered through Moses, not directly to them, God is working behind the scenes for you, trust Him.
Taking that process to the extreme would result in each individual becoming their own church and directly contradicts Christ's desire for all to be one.
thanks for standing for the truth both of you do how God leads that is a safe place resting in him
How do you express faith? By leaping into the unknown...
Thank you both - prayers for the future 🙏 I previously made a comment with a link to the " Irreverend Faith & Current Affairs" podcast as on their site is a map & details of churches of all denominations which their members have recommended - some people may find this helpful. However it is now apparently not ok with You Tube to share links to sites where merchandise is offered so my original comment was removed by them and I received a warning with threats that my comments could be removed in future as well. So guess we have to bear this in mind ...........🙁
I look at the courage of the new believers in Iran. We lack it in the west. God help us.
A great conversation on principles and ideology. Even as an atheist I appreciate the struggles of these clergymen.
I’m Catholic by upbringing (we have a family religious order, for heaven’s sake!), but the current pontiff is a communist, the church has gone woke, the Anglicans are no better - what do we do other than go back to fundamentals? Read the KJV, live by it. Have done.
I agree with Calvin; it took some time but once I read the ACNA book “orthodox Anglicanism” that we r guilty by association we must leave so I left TEC 🙏
Great debate, as a Roman Catholic I see the same heresies being discussed under the pretext of the Synod on Synodality. We all have to pray for the strength to face this level of infiltration.
Moral truth is not a majority rule kind of thing. If bishops put their beliefs in this concept, it is not a true church, A true church does not change its dogma of truths. Ever. Can you think of a church like this?? 🙂
Left C of E for Elim. Church has grown from a handful to 150 in 4 years