Triboulet the Butt-Slapping Jester: Investigating a Historical Meme
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If you've heard of Triboulet, it's probably from the story where he slapped King Frances I on the butt and used his cleverness to get out of trouble. But there's more to this story than meets the eye. Come learn with me on a journey where I suffer through the world of historical misinformation.
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Les deux fous: histoire du temps de François 1er, 1524 by Paul Lacroix books.google.com/books?id=WPP...
“Triboulet has brothers and sisters” - Court jester and literature at the turn of the 15th century e and XVI e centuries by Guillaume Berthon journals.openedition.org/babe...
Le Magasin Pittoresque, 1871 archive.org/details/lemagasin...
Histoire de François Ier: roi de France By Gabriel-Henri Gaillard
Jean Marot , Description du Voyage de Venise
Œuvres françoises de Bonaventure Des Périers: Œuvres diverses By Bonaventure Des Périers
Récréations historiques, critiques, morales et d'érudition. Tome 1 by Jean-François Dreux du Radier
Prince of the Renaissance : the life of Francois I by Desmond Seward
Francis I: The Maker of Modern France by Leonie Frieda
Four Princes: Henry VIII, Frances I, Charles V, Suleiman the Magnificent and the Obsessions that Forged Modern Europe by John Julius Norwich
The History of Court Fools by Dr. John Doran www.gutenberg.org/files/59618...
Mock Modernism: An Anthology of Parodies, Travesties, Frauds, 1910-1935 edited by Leonard Diepeveen
Fools and idiots?: Intellectual disability in the Middle Ages by Irina Metzler
Medieval Entertainers and the Memory of Ancient Theatre by Sandra Pietrini
The Original: A New Miscellany of Humour, Literature, and the Fine Arts · Volume 1, 1832 www.google.com/books/edition/...
Le Roi s'amuse! A tragedy in five acts By Victor Hugo www.google.com/books/edition/...
Recueil de Poésies Françoises des XVe et XVIe Siècles, Morales, Facétieuses, Historiques réunies et annotées by Anatole de Montaiglon and James de Rothschild volume 13 resources.warburg.sas.ac.uk/p...
La vraye histoire de Triboulet et autres poésies inédites récréatives, morales et historiques des 15. et 16. siècles recueillies et mises en ordre by Aristide Joly archive.org/details/bub_gb_sS...
Music in the French Secular Theater, 1400-1550 by Howard Mayer Brown
The American Monthly Magazine, Volume 3, 1837 www.google.com/books/edition/...
Les lamentations et complainctes de Triboulet fol du roy quis faict contre la mort, 1550 www.google.com/books/edition/...
Francis the First: An Historical Drama by Fanny Kemble www.google.com/books/edition/...
The Works of Francis Rabelais, M.D. by François Rabelais www.google.com/books/edition/...
Preuves de l'Histoire de Blois by Jean Bernier books.google.fr/books?id=GWrV...
Les Hommes illustres de l'Orléanais : biographie générale des trois départements du Loiret, d'Eure-et-Loir et de Loir-et-Cher By Brainne, Charles, Debarbouiller, J.Lapierre, Charles Ferdinand 1852
Wasn't expecting the Triboulet Cinematic Universe. I don't think anyone expected the Triboulet Cinematic Universe.
Nobody expects thr Triboulet cinematic universe
@nadjaluthi3125 the weapon: surprise, surprise and confusion-
The TWO weapons, are confusion, and surprise, and a complete lack of sources-
The THREE weapons are .....
Maybe it's Loki
TCU = the Spanish Inquisition. I'm gonna ace my history test!
Triboulet: Into the Triboulet-verse.
One minute of silence and sorrow for the kings ass that never got slapped
Well, at least not in public anyway. Who knows what those royals get up to behind closed doors.
I like to believe it did just because... yes. Mabye it git slapped and noone wrote it down/ saw it? (Let me be delusional-)
And let's not forget: the idea of court fools wearing a goofy costume is also from the Victorians. The ones who wore the costumes were street performers and amateurs. Court fools dressed to match the fashion of their employer.
@@skitzvibehut2327same! i’ve been really interested in history misconceptions made by victorians, thanks to kaz’s previous video lol
how neat!
Missed opportunity tbh the costume *is* funny
I think I've seen hoods/chaperons with ears in period sources that are specific to fools, but other than that their clothes seemed just as extravagant and colourful as any other member of court
Not true. Triboulet wore a funny red suit. That’s how influential he was.
What a trial and Tribouletion you went though.
I'll get my coat.
😂😂👏👏👏
groan
😖😖🤣
Why didn’t I think of that?! 😆😆
You forgot to tell everyone to try the veal and tip your waiter.
Triboulet was truly playing the long game because, centuries later, he's still fooling us
genius
"He played us like a damn fiddle!"
The idea of historians over the centuries mistaking a common french epithet for a jester for the name of one prolific jester reminds me of the infamous case of Prawo Jazdy's traffic violations in Ireland. After accruing over 50 infractions in a few years officials looked into who this Prawo Jazdy really was. They found that Prawo Jazdy meant Drivers License in Polish, and police officers had been writing that instead of the names when pulling over dozens of different drivers
As a polish speaker, this comment is all the more hilarious
I have a friend who's a nurse who made that mistake once, but she was corrected pretty quickly. We still call the guy Prawo affectionately
i love this so much, thank u for telling us
The Polish take on Florida man
As a Slavic language native I can't even express the joy I felt when I instantly realised where this story is going lmao
18:00 Kaz realizing the voice is saying pog and then crying laughing while it repeats in the background is such a beautiful moment
YES!
I don't know how often I rewound the video back to 17:36, just to get full segment, and watch it over and over again :D. It's so hilarious
pog
pog
pog
Thank you for sacrificing your sanity to solve this mystery! It's absolutely wild that you went through several centuries worth of made up anecdotes only to realize the call was coming from inside the house the whole time.
this feels like a plotpoint in a Bill and Ted movie. They do a book report or something on Triboulet and make up this story and then they have to go back in time and get Triboulet to slap the kings ass so it becomes historical fact and they can get a good grade
Me: How many times do you want to say "slapping ass"
Kaz rowe (tiredly): yes
“And 3…I was deeply and irrevocably in love with him”
Edward Cullen was Triboulet confirmed
As a French woman, your "I think France was a mistake" comment made me spit out my tea
Paris certainly was a mistake, and the rest of France is walking on thin ice
The only people who deserve more dunking on than the French over the centuries are the Victorians and their American contemporaries of the later half of the era.
The phrase "justifiably queenly dumpy." is soooo good
I cannot fathom how Kaz manages to keep serious and not laugh their ass off while writing AND reading the scripts. Some lines really do hit really hard.
2:27 "regardless of whether or not Prince Francois owned a justifiably queenly dumpy" 😂😂😂
It was absolutely worth losing the fun story to see Kaz' jester drip. That look was fuckin' gold!
Legit probably their best outfit!!🎉
This whole trip reminded me of the hole I went down trying to find an ethnic group in Kenya that was misnamed over and over and over by colonial sociologists and government workers. Really hammered home something a professor said about how sudden bureaucratization was one of the most potent colonial weapons.
Also: France was a mistake. England too.
wow I'd actually love to know more about this, that sounds completely fascinating
@@fluffyphoenix8082 The group I was researching were spiritualists (known as orkoiik) associated with the Kalenjin ethnic group. They came to my attention as I was reading breathless missives sent between British officials during the Mau Mau Emergency trying to account for all of about 2 dozen individuals. The worry was that they would bring another major group into resistance against the British and their allies.
The difficulty came from early ethnologists and others confusing the orkoiik for the Masai's laibon (spiritualists) as well as incorrectly identifying their ethnic groups and clans. After I figured out that they often didn't know which group they were talking about I could go back in early ethnologies and papers to find individuals who I knew to be orkoiik or Kalenjin and put together their time under colonialism.
There's a lot more to their story but that's basically how colonialism, through bored incompetence and arrogance, will erase people, groups, and histories without even knowing it.
so what ethnic group in Kenya was it?
@@user-jz7vp7kg1u Probably the donde esta la biblioteca people.
not just historians make up conversations nobody could actually know about, true crime tellers like to as well. like how do you know these details? you travelled back in time with an invisibility cloak on?
As much as I love Mr. Ballen, I do find that particular aspect of his storytelling annoying.
@cassinipanini mr ballen is just a liar. at least 80% of his videos consist entirely of falsehoods. he's entertaining, but as soon as you try to fact check any of what he says, it crumbles into nothing.
Right?! Like okay Harry Potter
Just went on Triboulet's Wikipedia page and it looks like your video inspired a few editors to work on his page, as there are a few edits done after your video came out.
I saw that! 🎉🎉
@@KazRoweWikipedia was edited because of you? That feels like an achievement tbh, like, congrats! Also loved the video
tbh, i think making videos on incorrect wikipedia articles could be a helluva job to have.
public wiki editing = near endless content
I’m a high school teacher and I’d recommend this video to anyone trying to show students the importance of fact checking. Its also a great display on why Wikipedia is a fine starting location but should not be sited as a source. Great research, A+ Kaz!
I was just thinking this, because it's a great example of similar situations I have gone through attempting to research a handful of historical subjects or individuals. The echo chamber of improper citations, quotes, dates and references is enough to drive even a Ph.D student cuckoo, and it shows how difficult it can be to get REAL information in this supposed "age of information."
As a trained clown who has researched historical jesters, the line, “I think that most can agree that a pretty favorable job to have…was that of the court jester,” made verbally say “What?!” Was happy to watch that unfurl and have the abuse of us disabled and ND folks discussed in such an entertaining way. Also, I adore that shirt 😍
If Triboulet had just said 'Forgive me my King, there was a bumblebee on that rump!' he might have got away with it.
"it was one of my favourite history stories, until I ruined my own fun" hahaha this made me crack up 😅
Imagine becoming a dead historical person and then you get grouped up with possibly like 3 people and they act like ur the same person that must suck,this is why I hope the afterlife doesn't exist bc I would be vengeful
being funny was their career. i bet they all laugh about it, wherever they are.
that sounds good to me tbh. it's a beautiful strange immortality, and one most honest to the fallibility and endurance of collective human memory.
Just think how annoying it would be to be haunted by a jester.
"It was one of my favorite history stories before I ruined my own fun." - story of my life tbh.
"But no one, no one, Mentioned Triboulet slapping the king's ass."
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😂 I busted out laughing way too hard at that, thank you TH-cam.
As a french speaker, I'm so sorry you had to remember we existed for this video, truly france can't keep getting away with it
I was once the source of misinformation online. I ran a reasonably popular Matchbox Twenty fan website back in 2003 and accidentally created a rumor by misreading the liner notes of an album. I genuinely missed a comma and created a 2 month crisis in the forums. Suffice it to say, I check "did this start entirely online" first.
Your outfit is giving off Walter Mercado and I’m absolutely here for it. Have you ever considered doing a video on him? He’s considered to be an cultural/queer icon in my home country of Puerto Rico and in the Latin American community.
More puertorrican fans of Kaz, let’s gooooo 💃🕺
A Netflix doc on him recently dropped for anyone interested
Y MUCHO MUCHO AMOR!!!!!!!!!! loved Walter Mercado so much growing up. I had to come sit with the grown-ups when they were watching El Walter reading LAS ESTRELLAS
LMAO walter Mercado, I just got RuPauls Drag Race Flashbacks!! xD
Thats crazy though cause the shirt design is by a famous New Orleans artist. I cant remember his name at 3am here but The sacred heart with an eye is pretty iconic for the city. (I went to LSU)
Please if you remember the name put it in the thread :D
This reminds me of the research rabbit-hole I went down when looking for the Soda Pop Board of America (because that sounded fake as hell) which was cited as having made an oft-posted advert saying to feed a specific soda pop to babies back in the 50s or so. It turns out to have been made by someone in the early 2000s on Livejournal as part of a Photoshop battle and was passed around as fact YEARS later. Someone tracked the guy down on Tumblr and he admitted it was fake.
WE UP ASF KAZ POSTED
😂
No but for real though.
I think that historical misinformation is surprisingly easy to spread about incredibly obscure figures like Triboulet, because there are so few people who would be willing to do the research to prove these stories wrong.
Thank you very much for uncovering the truth about Triboulet.
ok so the opera rigoletto by verdi is based on le roi s'amuse and there's a really good bit where rigoletto/triboulet talks about his disability and how society perceives him because of it. the opera as a whole is really good and heartwrenching - and the music is amazing as well. i would definitely recommend it.
I was wondering if Rigoletto was based on these stories; thanks!
The real Triboulet was the friends we made along the way, clearly.
What if Triboulet was just a common nickname for court jesters at the time (like "fool") and later people just assumed they were all the same guy?
Me: Ooh! A new Kaz video! I wonder what it’s about! *checks title* ‘butt slapping jester’ *pauses*…………. FUN!
maybe the real Triboulet was the friends we made along the way
This channel is an absolute gem. A whole treasure, in fact. Thank you.
Same here, Kaz is AWESOME
Preach
"Hey, I think this person likes ass." I DIED.
The tears of Pogge are the best tears. Poggers indeed.
Also I'm pretty sure Triboulet was in that final battle scene in Infinity War.
This video is so timely for me, because I've recently been researching the history of the "La Belle et La Bête" story, and a single Google search led me down a weird rabbit hole involving a university website, lazy citations, and Wikisource. The ton of internal citations I found there, along with text from an apparent earlier version of the story by a Madame Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve that I actually can't verify as genuine, is a whole thing.
The whole "Trust me, bro" insanity is beyond frustrating for me.
At any rate, my mind was left reeling, and I now feel like it should have been obvious to me going in that Wikisource was not the place to go for factual information.
I literally went into this research thinking: "How hard can it be to find the true history of a story in the public domain, and perhaps even the text of the earliest known version of it?" Turns out, harder than I thought, because even though the answer can be right in front of your eyes the whole time, Google has a million and one pages that pop up in any given search, and I've likely been too overwhelmed to see it.
So now, hopefully a bit wiser, I'm preparing to go down another Google rabbit hole. I think I'm going to need a few bottles of Excedrin Migraine and several pots of Tension Tamer tea on hand, because I feel my brain may very well implode. I do not envy you the pain you endure, Kaz.
This is genuinely so interesting. If it isn't too troublesome for you, please give an update if you end up finding the earliest version of the beauty and the beast! I'm so curious now that you mentioned it.
Lots of luck in your research, I know very well how headache inducing these can be, especially with very niche subjects.
Are you working on a thesis, OP? I'm just curious.
I remember this one characterization on what jesters were from a source I wish I remembered: Clergy had a monopoly on truth, but the jesters were the ones who were able to tell how things really were.
By the end of the video I was screaming into the void "WHERE DID THE ASS SLAPPING COME FROM?". I'm so glad you found it out.
This video feels like CPG’s journey to find the source of a Tiffany poem.
Kaz's Triboulet spiral reminds me so much of CGPGrey's Tiffany spiral and I love them both so much for their academic sacrifices 😂
I had the same thought
I JUST COMMENTED THIS EXACT SAME THING! Yessss! Same story - just Kaz' dead guy turned out to be an Assassin's Creed dudebro...
I now need to rewatch the Tiffany videos. To the archives!
These wikipedia misinformation circles are the worst, I've run into them before myself.
Damn, that was both maddening and funny. You truly go above and beyond to get the history, Kaz. Also, I too laughed at the pronunciation of "Pogge."
Omg i LOVE your outfit!! How do you always have the PERFECT outfit to light cosplay an obscure historical figure! Im obsessed ❤️
Same here!!!❤
My love for the fact that the "Pog...pog...pog..." while Kaz cries laughing is the most replayed part of the video
Great research, reminded me of CGP video on the Medieval origins of the name Tiffany.
I would like to thank you, because your videos never disappoint, and I must congratulate you on your academic seriousness, amazing writting and... OH MY GOD, YOUR SHIRT IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS, WHERE CAN I FIND ONE????
As a disabled person, please do not call us "differently-abled"
Given her use of "disabled" regularly in the rest of the video, I think she was specifically referring to people with dwarfism.
@ScorpionClaws789 okay, you could be right. I don't have dwarfism, so I can't speak to that specifically. for me though, that phrase feels dismissive and patronizing.
yeah it feels back-handed to hear about how horribly disabled people were treated then have to hear the phrase "differently abled"... made me mad lol
@@crow5793 I've never heard that phrase before. Why exactly is it considered offensive? (I don't mean to sound rude or anything just genuinely curious and you don't have to answer if you don't want to)
The unhinged laughter at “POG” 😂💀
i love the auto-generated subtitle spellings of triboulet: “sleepylay” “clippy lay” “to be late” 😂😂
Hahaha proper captions will be up sometime tonight!
This might be my favourite video of yours. Not just because it accurately illustrates the many woes of the researcher, but rather because it teaches your audience something much more valuable than historical "facts" : how to research properly, how to find sources, the relevance of citations and of digging through online archives and physical libraries. As both a librarian and a fellow historian, I appreciate it immensely 🙌❤️
28:30 I personally think that all of the Triboulets of the past are looking down at your work in approval. That smash-cut meme actually had me laughing out loud!
"This video spiraled."
Many of my favorite videos have started this way.
Growing up I remember hearing the ass slapping story, except it was a nondescript court jester. That could be a false memory, but I believe that is a classic joke that was attributed to him by virtue of being a famous jester.
Ultimately, I think that even though these stories are fake, they could definitely be used as inspiration for anyone writing fiction that features a fool, they're funny and are good stories, they just need to be kept in the proper context of fiction rather than polluting our understanding of fact. Thank you for all the painstaking research you did for this!
You and CGP Grey would have a field day. His video on trying to find the source for a Tiffany poem drove him bonkers and is a legendary video.
I find it extremely cute and amusing that fart jokes have been funny for as long as humans have existed. Hehe horse fart and poopy. Slap the kings ass, he can fit so much classism in that dumpy.
Please never stop doing videos like this, disproving history memes is incredibly difficult and I'm sure very frustrating but ur doing God's work Kaz and we all appreciate it
Wow.
Just… wow.
As a historian myself, I could feel my blood pressure rising as I watched this video - it’s so hard to nail down the facts when stories like this are shared as if they are carved in stone truths.
The scariest thing is the arrogance of certain writers that they can be trusted, just because THEY SAY SO! 🤬
Thanks for taking this journey, Professor Rowe! (As far as I’m concerned, that’s the correct title!) and I hope the next historical journey doesn’t have so many road bumps.
As ever, just a wonderful video. So good.
The phrase "justifiably queenly dumpy" was unexpected, and also hilarious. Always excited when you post a new video! Your uploads have been my constant companion while playing through Baldur's Gate 3 lately.
thank you for researching this, i also have gotten frustrated at the lack of wikipedia citations for this story and i’m happy that you dug through all of the bullshit for us! also your shirt is amazing
Kaz’s videos are always so organized, well researched and thought out
I am absolutely obsessed with the unhinged chaos of this video
That outfit is 🔥
Thank you for digging through all of the detritus to give us a great tale.
I love your work especially when you talk about sources. Between PBS, Netflix and others there are tons of documentaries about everything and they don’t cite sources. Would you consider doing something on this issue… documentaries and whether you would trust them? Seriously your rants on sources are some of the bits I find most instructive. Thank you for what you do.
This is actually the first i'd heard of them but now I expect to see memes of this constantly, seems to be the way it works.
Edit: I love that outfit
losing your sanity in the name of historical accuracy about ass slapping is a very noble cause at least, thank you for your efforts!
That blouse is EVERYTHING. Did you make it?
Back on track: did you update the Wiki page?
I'm hung up on the Pogge part 😂 That is a fascinating top/shirt, and the surprised confusiong as the digital voice kept repeating 'pog' was quite endearing.
I'm not familiar with the character/meme/person/story behind this video, so while the topic is a bit out of left field to me, this is fascinating.
Three things:
1. Your shirt is fantastic!
2. I admire and am in awe of your dedication and determination.
3. Your videos are always interesting and fascinating and this one is no different. Great job! ❤
Ther is nothing much better in the world than going into a nerdy and weird history deep dive with Kaz on an october sunday!
It's great how you not only.discuss historical events, but also source criticism. You warm my historian"s heart. 😂
I feel like this video should be shown in all schools as a memorable example of why it’s important to thoroughly check your sources. I would have loved it and never forgotten the lesson if I saw this as a kid ❤
In a better context, "He was as wise at 30 as he was the day he was born" would be an incredible burn
This video was hilarious and oddly informative.
"I think France was a mistake" literally made me do a spit-take at work😂
Can we talk about how ABSOLUTELY SICK Kaz's shirt is???????? not a want, but a need
2 thoughts:
- this research binge was genuinely impressive to watch
- I love your outfit
Thank you for taking the time to share this glorious one with us!
Okay, okay, okay! Favorite thing in a Kaz Rowe video is now all the different words closed captioning used for Triboulet! Bwahahaah! That was awesome. "SleepLay" "To Be Lay" etc etc etc That could be turned into a drinking game!
"Clippy lay"! 🍻
Your palpable frustration with the pseudo-historical runaround was absolutely hilarious. Thank you for greatly improving my dreary Monday.
i think it's incredibly valuable to demonstrate just how hard it can be to disentangle fact from fiction when it comes to history. it's all too easy to take what we hear at face value and not question how we would even know [any given account of a person's life] in the first place, especially things that happened hundreds of years ago. so thank you for sacrificing your sanity for us! i thought this video was great (and i appreciated the somewhat lighter content).
also, while i'm sure i'm neither the first nor the last person to mention it, that shirt f*cking OWNS
😂 I was waiting for it to be Triboulet to have slapped the royal ass (aka donkey). Now I am so disappointed that it was a random edit to Wikipedia. As someone who will find themselves diving down research rabbit tunnels I applaud all the deep digging you did to find the answers though. Kaz, you are fortitude embodied.
can we talk about the FIT when they popped up i audibly gasped that blouse is AMAZING
The soundtrack for this video was just, astounding. Using the Mozart Requiem during the final Reddit/Wikipedia search was truly inspired.
it might've cost you your sanity, but at least you got to show off your jester outfit! (also, chag sameach!! 🍎🍯)
I genuinely appreciate your intellectual moral and merit! Thank you for being you!
Jesters really are a weird/sad part of history that's been rewritten into (admittingly hilarious) meme content. Fantastic research here, I cant imagine how trying it must've been to battle online search engines to get a lead.
One of my favorite paintings is Portrait of the Jester Calabazas by Diego Velazquez. Its a really rare example of a jester being given the same treatment of the court he entertained and it really brings a tear to my eye. You can tell he's differently abled and he looks so so happy.
17:58 Most Twitch chat moment on the history of Kaz
I just want to point out that his wikipedia page got updated probably because of this video, nice work!!!
Edit: If you check the wikipedia page history, you can see that the "tale" got deleted around 1 month ago.
Edit2: Thanks for the video Kaz, I was about to go search for myself, and when I got stuck, I decide to check if someone else already went down the hole like CGPGrey with Tyffany madness. You saved my life lol kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Wow, finding out the source at the end must have been soul crushing. The shot of you on the floor got a good chuckle out of me.
Triboulet is three jesters stuffed into a trenchcoat! 16:00
that blouse!!! most iconic clown core I've ever seen!
Thanks for your integrity, a dying value to have in academia or anywhere these days. Your hard work is appreciated by this fan.
Your videos are always a high point of my week. Thank you
Pog
" I think France was a mistake" I laughed out really hard and loud for that one and everybody in my entire household is sleeping now and I just got a text from my father telling me to shut up hahaha🤣🤣
I absolutely love your myth debunking videos. It hits me right in my little historian heart!
They always reinforce how critical you have to be of all sources.
Coming back from my lunch break to see that Kaz posted, let’s GOOO
EDIT: I’m OBSESSED with your shirt! Where did you get it??
Thank you for letting us tag along on your research journey! This video has been delightful. Thank you so much for taking us along! :)
1) THAT blouse slaps ass and that is for sure
2) the twilight ref had me gigglin'
Yes! The thing in non-fiction history books STILL these days with the conversations put in there that they cannot actually have found anywhere historically and they just made up or parsed out from something. Drives me nuts!