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1985 Oldsmobile Calais | Retro Review
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- The '85 Olds Calais may have been the most luxurious of the GM N bodies, but my 13 year old eyes only noticed the platform sharing Pontiac Grand Am. -Ben.
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Man, these cars were everywhere when I was a kid, along with the Cavalier, Celebrity and Grand Am...
The grand am of that era was a big part of my childhood in the early and late 90s lol
@@JackVegetables18 I love americans cars 1980s. Olds Calais 85-88 is my favorites
Had the 85 Buick version V6. In 2000 a deer decided it was time to end the car.
You never see these on the road anymore because of Obama’s stupid cash for clunkers program. It basically took most of the 80’s and 90’s cars off the road.
saw a cavalier rs yesterday had a skylark steering wheel
I think one of the "Golden Girls" drove a light blue Calais.
Yes. Rose.
And Blanche was referred to as driving a Buick, though it was never seen on screen.
Yes she did!😂👍
The way that thing sped into the driveway will forever amuse me ☺️
(even if it was just a little higher speed editing)
And according to Sophia, Dorothy’s Bonneville shook over 65.
The handbrake lifting the centre console box, and yet they hoped it would go toe to toe with a BMW?! 😂😂😂
BMW was crap then and now
@@taurussho86 Very true
@@taurussho86Nah, they were decent back in the day but a Benz was better. Now they're both crap, and tacky to boot.
That was a standard feature
@@teds7379 😂 I never been a researcher for BMW but I remember that 750il/Li in 2002 was complete shit. Been keeping up with them ever since. Never would've known how crappy they are smh
My first car! The 88 maroon color 5 speed manual. 2 door. Loved that car.
I love the Oldsmbile, solid, beautiful and confortable car
I had a 1988 Grand Am coupe with the 2.5 Tech 4. It was slow, but not as slow as my dad's 85 Century with the 3.0 V6 and its amazing 110 horsepower and 0-60 somewhere between sunrise and sunset.
My parents also had an 85 century with that engine. Slow as well.
Mine had an '87 Century sedan with the 2.5 "buzz bomb" under the hood mated to an automatic. I once tried to outrun a Golden Retriever 0-30 out of a light. The dog won!!!
I have an '87 Buick Somerset, and it's still in good condition. I use it as a weekend car. Despite the fact that I live on another continent
Had the 85 Somerset Regal V6. Did not have the armrest blocking the parking brake.
Digital dash, blue on blue. Very reliable
That explains it! I use to own a 1987 Pontiac Grand Am LE sedan in the year 2000 with the 2.5 Iron Duke I4 with 92 HP. It felt faster on the highway because of the high end torque or 132, and the speedometer reached 85 mph on the dash. That engine was good for its time and I was 19 years old as well. My dad gave me the car in 1999 with the blown engine that he destroyed. I've put a new Iron Duke engine and it purrs like a kitten for a $1,000. Besides replacing the starter, alternator, motor mounts, battery, AC, rear shocks and brakes The good ol' Iron Duke kept on truckin. But the three speed auto transmission couldn't hold the reliability, but the engine did.
92HP, lol. You yanks didn't know how to make good HP/L. With a 2.5L engine the Germans could make 168HP and that's with just 2 valves per cylinder.
@@PerpetualTirednessyou do realize that there were Super Duty versions of these engines, don’t you? Google “Iron Duke Super Duty”
I had one that, because of the transmission, would kill the engine when downshifting to first to a stop. Other than that, good times. It felt very light.
@PerpetualTiredness the M20 BMW? That's a SOHC I6 compared to this OHV 4..... in a car costing twice as much and not being a base model. Not to mention the maintenance and fuel economy. Not a very valid comparison. The 2.3L Quad 4 was putting out 190hp a few years later in these low cost GMs. Remind me the gen1 M3's specs again ? Yanks werent so bad.
@@theforgottenorg
If GM wasn't holding back on emission standards in the 70s and 80s, that Iron Duke could have went close to 130 horsepower instead of 92. They had 5.0 liter V8s in Caddilacs and other GM cars went 130-150 horsepower and 250-275 lbs torque, that was a lazy engine. That I uas to own a 1998 Pontiac Grand Am GT sedan with a 3100 engine that went 150 HP and 155 lbs torque that car suppose to be twice that. My 3rd Gen Acura TL is twice that in HP and 80 more in torque, but it a SOHC VTEC and GM 3100 engine didn't have add on displacement, just a multi point fuel injection. Should have gotten the Quad 4 engine, but it to wasn't reliable just like the 3100.
The armrest/emergency brake thing reminds me of an issue with my 1987 Chrysler 5th Avenue. Mopar installed front seats that were a bit too wide for the cabin. In order to adjust the power seat you needed to squeeze your hand between the door panel and the side of the seat. I guess that kind of stuff happens when you take a Plymouth Volare and convert it into a luxury car..
True😁I had an '87 Diplomat SE as a daily driver 20 years ago. Very comfy, good handling, nice power with the 318. Gas mileage sucked, but gas was still cheap back then, and the durability and ease of maintenance made Dippy a good daily driver. Haven't seen one on the road now in many years😁
My 2003 A4 had this same issue, and the bottom of the console gets so worn from the brake handle hitting it.
My first was a 1988 stormcloud-gray 4-door -
I ❤❤❤ 'D THAT CAR!!!
Ultimately, I couldn't keep her because the parts I needed were no longer available, she was used, well-battered before I got her, but when the sun came up every day, I couldn't wait to take my "Cali" on adventures!
The interior was like driving a living room -
Just enough space -
And, I loved the naugahyde/velour "furniture" !
I miss those interiors -
Today's vehicle "furniture" hurts me all over!
🙄🙄🙄
Best American car I ever had -
It should NEVER have been discontinued, some are still out there on the road!
I miss you so much, "Cali" !
Thank you for uploading this!
🚗🚗🚗👏👏👏🥳🥳🥳
Had a very similar one, the timing chain went and bent all of the pushrods or valves, it was one of those two things, cursed motor
Thank you for sharing this review of this GM car. I took my drivers test in a 1986 version. It was good with the 3300 V6 and the digital gauges. It was replaced by Achieva which was no achievement. It was interesting to see how GM was thinking back then. The Pontiac Grand Am and Buick Skylark were similiar back then, but Pontiac Grand Am stood out and it showed in the sales department. They kept making changes on this cars ovcer time. I recall the commercials "Calais by Oldsmobile". They are here on You Tube. Interesting fact: When GM was downsizing its cars the N Bodies were supposed to replace the G Bodies. The Grand Am was supposed to be Grand Prix and Calais was supposed to be Cutlass and Skylark/Somerset was supposed to be Regal. The plans changed. It did not help that the E cars arrived for 1986 looking exactly like the N cars. The 1986-1989 Toronado looks so close to this Calais and the Skylark looked like a Riviera. GM made some big mistakes back then.
We had a 1985 Old Calais with the Tech 4. Great car. It had a nice interior, drove and handled well, and was reliable.
Had a 1985 Calais in medium blue. I loved that car and it was good to me. Wish I still had it.
Granted, I'd have replaced every piece on the thing 3 times but still, it'd be fun to still have it.
@ronhoover5516 Did you ever need to replace any of the ignition coil, ignition module, or distributor components?
Can you imagine an automaker selling a car these days that had two items colliding like the hand brake and arm rest in this car? It sure was nice when people didn't throw first world fits about every little thing back then.
Yes they did. Import cars of the day didn't have these design f**k-ups. That's what they took over the US auto market.
This would be an egregious error these days. Such a car would be the laughingstock of the industry.
@@2dfx It was then, too....its just we all wanted to believe we were beating the Japanese.
Im sure they would be throwing fits if there was a platform for them to say whatever they want in total anonymity. People will do what people do
At least in the Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon, the armrest moved backwards when the handbrake was pulled. GM’s effort here was laughable.
Had a Buick summerset regal
Me too 85 v6
I had this exact car! It was a silver 85 with blue interior. It was the classiest little compact car ever built and yes it was a very well done GM fwd car. I bought it from my cousin who had put 160K miles on it and I commenced to put about 7K more on it before the engine developed an oiling problem and I had to sell it. Apparently it didn't like being run at a constant 85 mph on the highway and I didn't know of the 2.5L Iron Duke's quirks at that time.
The 4 cylinder version was indeed good handling yet good riding, but the V6 was more front heavy and thus average for a fwd.
I got compliments by surprised occupants every time someone rode in it. They all said the exact same thing, "This is a nice car!"
Hated to have to sell it and drive something else but I did replace it with a compact 4x4 and never really looked back.
Funny they called this chassis firmer than expected. These cars were engineered for a sedate feel in a small package, aping the Cutlass Supreme at a lower price point. They were popular and were durable enough to live into the 90s in large numbers. They weren’t a Jetta or a 626 but they had a very distinctive all American feel. The Olds would be my fav N body along w the Buick.
The 2.5 iron duke was the most reliable version of these N-cars. Quad 4's and V-6's were a nightmare to work on.
I had a 1988 Grand Am coupe with the Tech 4. Those were reliable engines, and very easy to work on if you needed to. The only problem I had the whole time I owned it was a broken thermostat which was able to be replaced in less than five minutes because it sat near the top of the engine.
Why was the Quad4 so bad? Buddy of mine had one ina Grand Am. I drove very well. When I bought my 2002 Saturn L200, it had the 2.2 Ecotec which I thought was the Quad4 spiritual successor. Never gave me an ounce of trouble.
My v6 threw a rod once. I was always punchin the pedal as a teen.
@@LongIslandMopars Head Gasket problems plagued the Quad 4 in 88-89
@@edhartman2860 Thanks!
Man, I really miss 80's velour seats. I can't stand leather seats. They might take longer to wear out. But they're not at all comfortable. I'll take 80's velour or some sort of cloth anyday.
Yeah, I wish the higher end models and luxury cars came with cloth/velour too. Leather is overrated.
@@teds7379most of the modern stuff is "pleather".....😎
Lots of luxury cars in Japan still come standard with velour or wool upholstery because it's quieter than leather.
@@LongIslandMopars Yeah, or the "seating surfaces" are leather and the surrounding pieces are all vinyl. I really like when they come up with creative names for vinyl, like "MB-Tex." 🙄 Yeah, it's vinyl, we know.
@@teds7379 Yep.
The 86 Calais went with a narrow offset Console compartment that no longer interfere with the parking brake lever.
That must be what mine was because I had an 85 and I don't remember the console very doing that. It would have bothered me if it did.
This wasn't the greatest car in the world, but it was good value for the money. I took a three hundred mile trip with a friend of mine in one and it was fun to drive and ride in. It was quiet, had a good ride, and its three speed automatic transmission was a good deal smoother---and better---than the high-tech 'nightmare' transmissions of today. Driving around town netted a solid 22-25 mpg, but we averaged nearly 28-30 on the interstate. It also had one of the coldest air conditioner of any car I have ever been it. She kept that car for over ten years and the only thing she ever did to it was replace the water pump, and get new gasket seals for the Iron Duke-4.
Very funny about the parking brake and center storage compartment! Probably didn’t matter as much for people who never use the parking brake with an automatic. 😂
had a 87 Calais, with the Rally pack, loved that car..not one issue with it in 3 years of ownership...still miss the little coupes
"Young upwardly mobile" aka Yuppies 😂😂😂
Aka NOW. yuppie, lol.. declining moral standards
One of my uncles had one for a number of years. He never mentioned anything about problems, so I assume by that, and the fact it was very popular, it was a good car.
I have an ‘86!
There’s only one thing I never understood about these cars. The GM N bodies were derived from the J body, just a longer wheelbase. However, so was the Chevy Corsica and Beretta but they were L bodies. Structurally they were identical to the N body except for the rear beam axle on the Beretta.
Was this the era of “This is not your fathers Oldsmobile”? I always thought the slogan was hilarious
I thought that was when the Cutlass Supreme was redesigned in 88.
The slogan around this time was "There is a special feel in an Oldsmobile"
His father’s Oldsmobile was a screaming monster compared to these pale wienermobiles.
The Calais was taken from Oldsmobile's top line Cutlass, and that top line Cutlass used a name last seen (1976) on Cadillacs. _(9/23/2023)_
Later updates of the Buick Somerset were the most fluid looking of the bunch, with a pretty cool, albeit sort of weird, interior design that had separate units for the gauge cluster, and head-unit just sitting on top of the dashboard like they were glued on. Pretty snazzy for the day. Olds eventually made a 442 version of the Calais in the 90s with the new for GM Quad4 engine, which, I think, was another disastrous engine for them.
This is retro? Man, I sure feel old.
I saw an '89 Chevy Cavalier Z24 at a classic car show not too long ago and I could feel my hair visibly graying.
If this is not retro then how in 2006 retro?
That’s beautiful. I’d love to have one exactly like that.
The armrest design, to paraphrase Pee-Wee Herman in the same year. “We meant to do that.” 😂
I honestly prefer the 4-Door N-Cars because they were more practical. The Oldsmobile Calais, Pontiac Grand Am, and Buick Somerset and Skylark were much better cars than the X-Cars they replaced. Chevrolet did not get version of the N-Car until much later, but they did come out with the L-Body Corsica and Beretta in 1987
I had two of these an 86 and 87 I love both of them they were both two-door and light blue the 86 had more room in the front seat meaningless seat track went back a little bit further I loved everything about these cars obviously because I bought the second one I would love to have another one
To me, the Calais looks like the Oldsmobile Cutlass' mom
It was renamed the Cutlass Calais later in the production run
😂😂😂
That’s hilariously true lol
I had a brand new 1987 Calais GT my first new car.after owning it for 6 months a taxi ran a stop sign and caught the right front pretty good. I got it fixed and my father made me trade it back to the dealer for a 85 Eldo. How the new owner got my number but called me about a year later asking if the car was ever in an accident because it had an electrical fire😮
That is one beautiful car !
Great shade of Red
Bring Oldsmobile back, The Cutlass was so cool
I'm with you. It'll never happen but it should. I'd rather have seen Buick axed than Olds. I get why GM kept Buick though.
@@ronhoover5516 right....
Love the Calais!
Really like the optional variable shade paint scheme per body panel...
the buick somerset regal version was my favorite
@1:57 Looks like a Jeep. A comfortable Jeep. XD
The parking brake was just in the first few months of production . We finally had it corrected mid year .
Makes sense. Mine didn't do that.
Why are the front fender and door and different color than the back...
4:55 marvel of American engineering
The Calais was a gutless street car but a good looking stock car and IMSA road racer.
You have to wonder what GM was thinking with that storage compartment situated above the parking brake...I can only imagine that the designers assumed the car was going to get a pedal brake like many other cars of the era.
this was a homely little car
The Cutlass ciera, was built in Framingham, Mass. (Boston suburb).
1.wasnt the calais trim on the gbody cutlass? lol for years i called it the ca-lias
2. are the buick 3.0 and 3.3(3300) v6's part of the 3.8/3800 v6 Family????
Yep, the Calais was the top trim level for the RWD G Body Cutlass. Cadillac also used the Calais name in the 1970's. The Cadillac Calais was Cadillac's entry level full size model back then. It was slotted just below the DeVille.
The 3.0 and 3.3 are from the 3.8 and 3800 family
I kinda want one but it would have to be the V6 with a manual.
As fun as the 80’s were, I’ve forgotten how basic most cars were. The government had neutered the automobile industry so no matter how good they look, most cars didn’t have the performance that guys like me wanted. But, a lot of them were fun to drive.
The two door versions of this and the Grand Am had more of an European look to them.
Is it just the lighting, or is the paint mismatched at 1:37 and 1:48? 🤔
It looks like it is mismatched...
Good eye 👌
Saw that too!
A perfect budget american canvas for bosozoku style mod!
I had a four door V-6 Calais company car. Soft ride and uninspired. I drove it hard and did not break.
Mr. Auto Executive sir? WHAT!? Um it turns out we forgot to design the center console hinges with limiters… No worries kid just attach a piece of string between it and the frame. Now let me get back eyeballing my secretary and smoking indoors. Yes sir thank you sir!
Nancy and I loved our 87 4 door Calais. By then the Tech IV was 105 hp. in these, and it was amazingly quick. We often drove to our son's college 150 miles away, and we got 36 mpg on long trips, and 28 mpg in regular driving. Quiet, trouble free, good car all around.
I'm design school you get kicked out for copying someone else's work, making only minor changes, then turning it in as your own.
At GM you get promoted to Division President.
We had a 1989 quad 4 Cutlass Calais. On paper it should have been fun, my first car was an '86 escort so this thing seemed peppy. That thing had terrible brakes. I remember trying to stop in perfect weather, sunny day and still bumping into the car in front of me. It was loud and rickety and even though in a straight line it was fast, it was kind of a scary car to drive It just seemed flimsy and cheap. Two-tone red and silver, it did have its charms...
These cars looked like an 🥚. My aunt had a maroon one while another two aunts each had a maroon Grand Am coupe.
The first N cars were just what I expected from the general, Buick, and Oldsmobile were cheaper than their traditional H-C body cars, but not Honda or Toyota though.
Almost got hit by one of these in 1999. I was walking to my school bus and a teenager with the license plate "Princess" drove around my school bus with the stop sign out. Police paid here a visit when she was at her high school later on that morning
Good.
Amazing the details we remember around significant events , that’s a good one. I remember when I was 17 driving my 1974 Malibu , I was t-boned by a red 1987 Nissan Sentra. The Who’s You better you bet was playing on my radio. 35 years later, and I still won’t listen to that song, and turn it off whenever it comes on.
Was that you?
@@slicksmith856 HA! No no, I was way too young to drive
@@DjFrankGee they did! I'm told the police walked right into her classroom and called her into the hallway and wrote her the ticket right there on the spot
id like to go back to 1985
LOL! 2:09 That looks like a convertible Flintstones mobile. And tsk-tsk, driving that thing with no seatbelts!
Its a classy looking little American compact. Thinking in "1985" terms, its quite attractive.
So classy and attractive that they gave the downsized E-bodies that arrived the next year similar profiles and proportions. Foot, meet bullet...
Hey @MotorWeek, do you have the test of the four-door sedan version that hit the following year?
I think MotorWeek was always pro domestic brands, and they never talked about reliability on the American brands
Don't recall MW doing long term updates.
@4:56 GM Systems Engineering team must have had a tired integration staff closing out 1984's product development cycle to hack around interference between two design components.
My parent's bought me the darker blue 2door new in 89 before my 16th birthday. It had the quad4 and was a great car. I rear ended another car 3 years later and even though the body shop did a super job I wasnt happy until I traded it. Big mistake!
They seemed like a good idea at the time.
Them things were junk. My dad found one for 500$ back in 1997 that was going to be my 1st car but it would over heat, smoke, stall and would run one day and refuse the next. We gave it to my gf's uncle and after a year of trying to get it running he paid me 20$ to pull it to the scrap yard. I was happy to have it at 1st but after a week of it not running no matter what we did, we went looking for a better car... Ended up with a 1990 Chrysler Le-baron convertible! We got it from my buddy from school and he bought it out of the showroom at Wadale Motors in South Knoxville. It being my 1st car, it didn't survive long! After that one broke down for good I started driving an old Chevy G-20 cargo van my Papaul had. It was the best thing I ever owned! (he put a sbc dirt track engine in it before he passed away and it was TOO FAST)
Anyone else notice that the door on the silver car did not match the rest of the car? Good ol GM quality.
Back when you did not have to worry about a GM drivetrain. These days their 1.4, 2.4, and 3.6 will give you nightmares when you get the bill from your local mechanic. They all have common problems that are well known. Really upsets me because I have owned a number of great GM vehicles during this time period. How did it go so wrong for them?
Funny, it looks like GM would have gotten them a car with matching paint. 1:19
I noticed right away
It's been wrecked
Damn, I had a Pontiac Grand Am that looked very similar to this.
You had the cool one
You could get this in a V6 or a Toyota Supra second gen for just about the same price in 1986. Crazy how many flops and mulligans the big 3 got before SHTF.
Well, I was young then but I'm not sure about upwardly mobile. 😂
Was the Corsica build from the N platform
Better than the Omega X-car it replaced!
The Olds Cialis
Good stuff 👍 NEW FOLLOW.
Earlier models looked much better that later, “modernized” models that just made the model look out of date by 1990. Plus, what’s not to love about some mid ‘80s faux chrome?
Yes but that arm rest! 🤔
Really looks like an afterthought.
Looks like a school project. Unbelievable, and like he said; at first it looks silly and it still does. 😏
God, these 1980's domestic auto reviews are tough to watch. They're so careful not to say a single bad thing about any car.
My mother had this car ,grey
Just think of back then when a new prospect shows up at an Oldsmobile dealership to try this car out only to be disappointed not by the power train, not by the high lift -over trunk, but the laughable armrest/emergency brake lever debacle! “Nope, no thank you, I’m good”. How frustrating this had to be for the salesman. I’m sure the best made their most cunning efforts not to demonstrate/ draw attention to this GM calamity. Or, on the plus side be like “Nah you don’t want this car friend, why you’re an intelligent person 🤓, treat yourself for just a few dollars more and step up to the Cutlass supreme!”😁
GM's Ford's and Chrysler's attitude about small cars since their first batch back in 1960. They were still doing this in the 70s with the Chevette and Fairmont, to the point that after the shabby treatment he got from the Ford and Chevy dealers my Dad went out and bought...
A Subaru DL.
@@DaveGreg100: It’s a small but telling example of the contempt of management for the customers and the company itself. I can’t believe that nobody in management knew of this and just said “screw it, they’ll buy it anyway.” Well, they did for awhile but in twenty years Olds was dead. Actually, they died a long time before; that’s just when they had the funeral.
@@charlesjames1442 Definitely. My 86 has a square box with a lid that hold.... squat. Maybe a small size water bottle.
Such a shame. They always looked so good....on paper.
The new “Oatsmobile”
Quad 4's were powerful but had alot of head gasket problems...
I had a brand new 1986 color gold 2 door. 4 cylinder.
Biggest POS i ever bought.
The body panel colors don't match on the silver car. And GM wondered why people started paying over MSRP for a Honda?
On the one they gave for this show as well.
There are no 1985 Hondas beating around. They all rusted away decades ago. But I still see 1990s/1990s cockroaches beating around everywhere. They must have done something right.
This replaced the Omega.
THey all had comfy cloth padded seating.
My old car
All it needs is a ' wind up ' key on the trunk.
4:43 lmao
2,700 lbs wow
Can’t hit the like button fast enough
Wonder if any of these actually was ever driven in calais..?
I liked olds.
Who else read it as the Oldsmobile Cialis?