I used to repair these in the 1990's, and from a technician's perspective, there were even more quirks. One weird feature was that on a steel body, this car had aluminum alloy doors and hoods to reduce weight. Another was the insanely long timing belt Porsche used on the engine, which not only drove the camshafts of both cylinder banks but also the oil and water pump, and which was a day's work to replace. Last but not least, hidden under the passenger footrest, there was a massive electric panel with literally dozens of relays and fuses, all connected by a terrifying jungle of hundreds of wires. Other cars from that era already had some modern circuit boards and electronic control units, but the 928 stuck to its 1970's heritage. Still: a very nice, surprisingly civilised car to drive. I remember how I hit the gas pedal for the first time, and while it felt as if the car wasn't accelerating a lot, a look on the speedometer revealed that I was already going over 100 mp/h (within city limits, jeez!).
"One weird feature was that on a steel body, this car had aluminum alloy doors and hoods to reduce weight." Except sports car makers like Porsche and Ferrari have been building cars like this for ages.
A friend of mine has 1990 one and he has sunk as much money in it as oppose to just buying a new car. No kidding. The up keep on these is out of this world and that's no BS.
It's such a piece of shit. Seriously, the timing system is a joke, with fuckin cam chains with oil-pressurized tensioners that have nylon pads on them tying the driven cam to the other--one in each head of course. The timing belt would fit around the circumference of the Earth itself, and this engine architecture was known for timing belt failures which sent all those nicely crafted Porsche internals crashing into each other. All that for like a car that is slower than a new Honda minivan. GT cars age so badly--the 928 is no exception.
Never liked the 928's styling... and even though it was one of Thee Status Cars in status-conscious Dallas, I always felt peeps weren't getting their vanity dollars' worth... perhaps because so many Countachs and Vantages were also running about... ;')
@@emjayay yeah from what I've seen doug doesn't look for a lot, if any credible information about something intriguing about the car. He only looks for information from anything that's part of the car or occasionally the owner. it's ridiculous
I’d presume the key light was to avoid scratching the paint at night and the door storage is actually pop out arm rests (which I’ve used and they are great)
@@jimiknewstubb I grew up in Germany, and a close family friend had a 928; and you're exactly right as to the function of the key light, to find the keyhole in the dark, and YES THANK YOU the 'two-position' arm rests were a brilliant idea, and super comfortable..! Finally, what Silverado Dan says about the rear sun shades above is exactly right as well, they're there to be pretty much against the rear hatch glass to keep the sun off the back of your neck and head, and again, it was a brilliant, simple idea that worked perfectly...
@@radudeATL the best one ive heard was doug, the type of guy to lick his finger before turning the page on his kindle. Doug, the type of guy to use his turn signal when turning on the race track.
The looks aren't "dated," they're timeless. That car will ALWAYS look cool. As cars get more futuristic looking, cars like these will look more and more classically beautiful, like how we view 60's European cars today...
Ok, there are a number of issues with your review of the 928. The heavy accelerator that you are talking about is almost definitely caused by a worn accelerator cable, its relatively common and a simple fix. I owned a 928 for 17 years and if maintained properly the accelerator isn't any heavier than any other car. The lever on the dashboard that switches the miles to km/h also controls the onboard trip computer. There are hatch release buttons on each side of the car. They don't operate if the doors are closed. The variable wiper delay using a rotary knob on the dashboard was very common in the late '80s as you could infinitely adjust the intermittent delay setting on the wipers. The light in the key is dim because the battery is flat. Go to a supermarket and buy a new cell and it'll be bright again. The rest wiper is designed like that so that it wipes across a larger area. The rotary knob for the door locks was common across Porsches. The centre console compartment was designed to hold cassette tapes and originally had little holders tor them - the car you drove has had that removed. The odometer zero button on the car you tested is different to any 928 I've been in. Normally that button is for controlling the rear fog lights independently of the front fog lights. The back seats are not suitable for a 6' tall person. The rear air conditioning was added to boost cooling system performance in hot climates, not really for the rear passengers. It is a cooling unit only. Similarly the sunvisor in the rear is designed to block the sun coming through the rear window. The steering is heavier than most modern cars but provides great feel. The automatic in the GTS is ok but the choice for me was always the 5 speed manuals - especially the later unit put into the 87 and later cars. They are showing their age, but go and drive another '80s or '90s car and you will appreciate just how advanced they were. The poise at speed is phenomenal, and the passive rear wheel steering is amazing if you start to over-cook it. Similarly not mentioned is the traction control/active differential that provides an open differential at low speed to reduce under steer but will up based on input from the ABS sensors and a G sensor under the passenger seat to 100% locked to boost traction when needed. Put one wheel on a loose surface and this will lock the diff so that you drive off without the low traction wheel spinning. They also have 50-50 weight distribution and a nice low centre of gravity. They are an awesome GT car that you can drive long distances very fast in complete comfort and with confidence.
When pulling up the left tiny handle, the odometer toggles between odo1, odo2 and a stopwatch. The big odometer zero button also serves as a start/stop button for the stopwatch. At least valid for a 1989 928S4.
@Wayne That's the point: it's far, far away from being a shitbox. One of the greatest cars of it's era. Doug made several errors/misrepresentations about the car, whether intentional or not, and people like you buy it because you don't know any better either.
3:09 Doug, the Porsche RWW is a parallelogram wiper system that requires two wiper arms. When the wiper is turned on, the 1st wiper arm pushes the wiper blade to sweep in a vertical arch. Then as it sweeps across, the second arm drags the wiper blade vertically to the other side of the window. Then it reverses the motion similarly back to the original position. The wiper works similarly like the wipers on the Greyhound buses
But it's better for him to belittle, laugh and find fault on some feature he doesn't know about than to actually do some research as to find out the why. I appreciate your informative post
If you ask any car interior designer, he or she would tell you the 928 interior was a milestone and has influenced a lot of the sports cars ergonomics that came after it.
-the rear sun visor is ment to cover the rear window. wish my 911 would have that. - the "overcomplicated" door pockets are also the armrests. they come closer to the driver when pulled open and are very useful on long highway driving to rest your arm. they are very stable.
I can't believe he didn't get the purpose of the rear sunvisors!!, its simply to protect the head of the rear passengers from the sun rays coming through the rear glass hatch, it should be flipped all the way to the back!
And the door storage. How did he not understand why it opens. It has to open so you can get the shit you put in it OUT!!! This guy is a serious dorky nerd dipshit that somehow wound up doing shows about cars. I don’t get it tbh.
The round door lock knobs are there for 2 reasons. The locking pins disappear into the door sides when locked so you can't pull them up with your fingers. So you need the knob. Also it makes it more difficult for a thief if the window is left with a narrow opening. Some would use an improvised tool to grab and pull the door pin to unlock the door. Here you can't do that. The knobs are both functional & comfortable to use in everyday driving.
Dude your 928 is automatic :( Unfortunately a lot of them are. FUN FACT YOU MISSED: automatic 928's launch in second gear. No jokes. They always launch in second gear. The only time 1st gear would ever get used is if you actually put the pedal to the floor. This gives the 928 a sluggish reputation. As most of them are automatic and people dont even know about it. Very suprized that you missed this dougey! Its quirktacular.
The reason for this was because it used the Mercedes 722.3 transmission. It is possible to convert them to first gear starts though with a mod to the valve body.
@@joshuanorris5860 I have no idea. There were, of course manual Mercedes transmissions, but it's likely the manual transmission for the 928 was made by Porsche. I've owned Mercedes, not Porsche. The 722.3 transmission by Mercedes is a very good and reliable one though, and the valve body modification to give it first gear starts is really easy, and there are parts kits available to do it. My 1991 300E with it's 722.3 had first gear start from the factory.
I lived in Stuttgart when these were being produced and I must say I dont know if that was the reason for it, but the 928 is my favorite car of all time. I know it's a silly thing but It's really quite a cool car.
The "weight" of the car and steering make it incredibly stable. I occasionally had mine up to 150mph and it felt just as stable and smooth as cruising at 60. It also had pretty good grip and you can, with effort, throw it around winding roads and corners with confidence. Winding mountain roads at a steady70 to 80mph? No problem at all. Handling was incredibly predictable, unlike 911s of the era.
I think the rear sun visor was intended to flip up against the top glass behind the passenger. Seems more logical to me anyway. Keeping them from a wicked sunburn on the neck since they are sitting below what is essentially a magnifying glass. 😊
First let me say I’m a big fan but there are two correction I’d like to make. 1, the 928 was not design to cruise at 65mph but more like 120mph. It was designed for the Autobahn. 2, the rear sun visors were not designed to block the sun from the front, but to keep it off the sun coming in from the back window and onto your head and neck. Keep up the great work
I mean the 928 was aimed for the American market hence it having a V8 and a more boat-like design and driving experience, therefore i believe it was not designed for the Autobahn but for American highways. I personally own a 1991 Porsche 928 and i'm in love with it.
Doug, you think these features are weird because you don't know what problems these features solved!In Germany there weren't many sunroofs on the 928 but the dealers pushed for one because they thought at this price in the 70's that customers would want it. They were right because most 928 buyers were married! The Door pockets with the crazy folding arm rest is there because in testing with the sunroof open the wind blasts blew papers out of the pocket and all over the car. The slit is there to drop maps or directions back into the pocket without opening it while the car is in motion. Everything is there for a reason. The Germans are the most intelligent people on the planet. Believe me I wish I was one of them, I'm not! For the headlight, there were covers offered for them if you want to hide the headlights completely. You twist the door lock knob because in testing people tore rotator cuffs when pulling up on the button from the back or from weird angles. It was bad! You pull up the trunk button because it is a "safety switch" if you push it down you might press it while driving. The center console if for maps. That is why they made it shallow. You could buy an after market deeper pocket. The odometer reset button is there and it's big for rally racing just like the map pockets!!! I'm going to stop here and shut off the video. You have shown me time after time that you don't know about cars. There is an old saying "if you don't know what the bump on the roof of as GT40 is for just buy a Prius and call it quits!
One thing about the 928 in the UK is that they were driven by careful drivers and hardly ever stolen, that made the insurance as cheap as a large family saloon. I love the 928. The sun-visor in the back is to stop the sun through the back window, you fold it all the way back...
mainly because back then , driving a 911 or a 928 wasn't easy to drive , since the car would try to kill you if you didn't knew how to drive properly and tried out driving methods being careless. mistakes were most often payed at the same moment they were made.
Those 2 are completely different and why would a car being easy to crash make the insurance cheaper. BTW I sold insurance and coded quotation engines, I sort know what I am talking about when it come to my comment, not sure how yours is related. The 911 handled like crap, all the 'hairy chested man' excuses were crap, they wanted a sports car that actually started from a neutral 50:50 distribution, hence my the mid V8 was going to push out the rear flat 6. In '95 that's a 5.0 vs a 3.2, more grunt, more handling, should have pushed the 911 out if it was a rational choice, but, Germans got overruled by a sociopath, very odd that... [ shrugs ]
The tall guy in the video seems to make snap judgements without really thinking the why of it, just because he couldn't work out why, or do the research, he gives 'the audience' the idea Porsche were foolish. This in my mind tells me he either does not know or does not care about the heritage of exemplary engineering, especially with car manufacture. It's like Telling the English they speak funny, it just smacks of slackness and a touch of ignorance. Conversely he could be being specifically asshatlike just to make a 'talking point' which is very brash and a bit cynical, you need the work to stand out for itself.
These jumped in value over the past few years. I shouldn't have sold my '87 S4 in 2015 (it's doubled in value since then). Really nice GTS models sell for over $100K. In order to appreciate the 928 you need to take a 100+ mile trip with it that includes plenty of high speed roads and twisties -- that's what they were designed for.
I'm sure the lockout for the door handle storage compartment was to keep the door handle from pulling open when you try to pull the door shut. As a Corvette owner I can say that any storage on a sports car is good, mine has none. And my center console is exactly like that one. The dash moving with the tilt steering wheel wasn't uncommon in 80s and 90s upscale cars. The idea was that the dash gauges wouldn't be blocked regardless of the position of the wheel. And a 5.5sec 0-60 is still great today.
Can we all just take a moment to give Doug the credit he deserves? He is one of the most consistently good car channels on TH-cam. Every video is well put together and interesting. The view count on his videos are a testament to how good they are. Most of his videos get upwards of a million views, and for good reason! Anyways, Doug, if you're reading this, keep up the good work!
I had one of these when I was in the Army up in Alaska. A dude was PCSing and I bought it off him for 8 grand. I drove that thing for 5 years and dogged the absolute piss out of it. I didn't touch it besides changing the oil. Sold it when I PCS'd out for 8 grand! Lol. I had a blast in that little Porsche and will never forget all the fond memories whipping that thing around. I hope it's still on the road somehow.
My brother in law had a porsche 928. Believe me,its the ideal car to drive from the Netherlands,to Switserland on the autobahn,with very high and comfortable speed(at night)
You could just buy a perfectly maintained regular 928 for less than a used Civic. I almost bought one as my first car (and that was a very long time ago). The previous owner had an aviation log book with the entire maintenance history. Totally mint low mileage car.
I had two of them, a 1982 4.5L and the last one being a 1991 928S4. Almost identical to the one reviewed here. The main difference being the engine size. The GTS had a 5.4L engine and mine had a 5.0L engine. Not really much difference in performance but big difference in value. It was the best car I ever owned. I have always regretted selling it.
@@user-lq4wk5ub1k What? The original comment said one of the best looking Porsches ever... I disagree with that. I'm not sure why you would think I'm trolling.
I had a 1983 S model. The car was phenomenal….until you had to service it. I know some of the later ones had more power and they needed it. Despite these gripes I regret getting rid of it. I just purchased a supercharged c6 . If the Vette doesn’t give me the same feel as the 928 I will be purchasing a 928 and contacting Renegade Hybrids for a LS swap. Anyone considering one , buy it.
Doug, the rear visor is to protect your head from getting sunburnt sitting in the rear. Fold it up and back, flat against the window for it to shade your head!
There were three amazing features in the 928 - I owned a 1980 and my dad owned a 1990. The rear Weissach axle delivered passive, mechanical four-wheel steering - if you put your foot down while doing a U-turn the turning circle becomes insanely tiny. The Mercedes gearbox was mounted in the rear giving a perfect 50-50 weight distribution and the steering on mine was as light as a feather. The coolest feature by far was the little button on the floor under the accelerator pedal that locks the rear-mounted Mercedes gearbox into first gear until you exceed 60MPH/100KPH. When I put the pedal to the floor in the 4.5L V8 1980 model, motorbikes had trouble keeping up! Oh, and the entire interior - front, back and ceiling - was lined in beautifully soft leather. Because the gearbox was in the rear of the car, there was an engine-speed, carbon fiber transaxle (the reason for the tiny center console), and because the car was so low the transaxle was at waist height, while your legs stick straight out in front of you - your bum was were mere inches from the road at all times. Drawbacks were the finicky vacuum system powering the central locking, the literal miles of electrical wiring all controlled by relays; the extremely low clearance of the car necessitated sacrificial after-market skids to protect the front-end; and the tendency to rapidly burn through the W0 oil and power steering fluid. I had a set of the workshop manuals and PET parts guide in eight or nine D-ring binders filling an entire bookshelf, which I had to bring with me to my mechanic. When dad sold his, the buyer easily hit (Edit: 175MPH/280KPH) down the gun barrel highway across the Nullarbor plain - the world's longest straight stretch of road.
The rear sunshade are for protecting rear passanger for the sun coming from the rear at the back of the head ...the porsche engineer are not stupid mr doug !
I was a mechanic at a shop about 20 years ago and an early 928 came in for a safety inspection. A very cool car. Magnesium lug nuts, a handful of them were so light you almost couldn't feel them in your hand.
That amazing Porsche that was the dream of almost every viewer of the movie, "Risky business," though that 928 was a manual. It stole my heart and has ever since been my favorite Porsche. Love the design and quirks. thanks for the great review, Doug!
“Who’s da uboat commanda?” That movie was one of the reasons why I bought an ‘81. Man, such a cool car. I moved to Austin in the 90’s and nobody knew what it was. Mechanics never saw one. The v8 sound was awesome. And yes, it cruises just fine at 120mph. Drove it a few times on 280, nary a ticket. Had a friggin heavy clutch, one meant for 2 ton truck. Stop n go traffic on 101 - not a good idea for a commuter car.
And a manual is the only way to go in an old Porsche. Those automatics back then were ok for comfortable cruisers but they ruined every sportiness. Even today I prefer manual transmission in sporty cars. My BMW Z4 35i E89 is manual and I would not want it any other way.
The 928 was my favorite car as a kid after seeing "Risky Business". I remember back in '96, I used to always see the same red 928GTS driving around town. It belonged to some guy that was built like Brock Lesnar, and he always wore Gold's Gym clothing or something similar. I often wonder if he kept that car and decided to preserve it. I haven't seen many nice examples of the 928 for some reason. I guess the maintenance costs may have been disproportionately high compared to the other models. Those cars still look great to me, and it has fantastic lines. Old (pre-F355) Ferraris? They definitely look dated as hell.
SuperN0va yeah, loved the S4. It was my favourite car at the time & a friend's dad had one. Difficult to explain just how futuristic this looked. Another super cool feature was the tyre pressure monitoring system. We take it for granted now but back in the 80s that was amazing
I've only had the pleasure of working on once 928 over the years when I used to install mobile A/V entertainment systems. It was a beautiful burgundy color but the interior was worse for wear. I still don't regret meeting my hero, though.
Serby I remember. As a kid, I had 2 or 3 phones in my room, all were 928 models. (this was when kids still had home phones and not cellphones). My mom definitely paid attention at Christmas and birthdays. Also I'd like to say that the Porsche in "Risky Business" had the best sounding exhaust I'd ever heard (in all my 7 or 8 years on Earth). Looking back, I wonder if they sampled the sound of a Countach for the movie.
@@Hamburgler6.9 my dad's wasn't a GTS. It was a 1984 928, just a regular model, with the 5-speed. Its criminal Porsche didn't put more manuals in these cars.
We have a winner! I'm sure the answer is too confusing to this man to understand. The car's owner should really rethink lending him such a fine automobile.
I was 12 when I saw Weird Science, I told my dad right then that someday I was going to own that car. He kinda chuckled and told me I better get a great job to afford it. Fast forward 15 years, I bought it and was one of the happiest days of my life. A childhood dream come true. My license plates were "SETAGOL", owned the car for 14 years.
Sorry Doug but you're way off on many counts. The 928 was designed by Anatole Lapine and was considered one of the most advanced designs of its time. The crushable front and rear bumpers were probably the first of their kind at the time. The V8 was highly advanced for its day and mounted well back offering a rare (at the time) front-mid engined layout with a rear transaxle gearbox hence providing optimum handling. The car was thus way ahead of its time at launch. True early versions look very dated now but by the time the S4 was launched, it looked very contemporary. The most desirable 928 isn't the GTS but the S4GT, a 330bhp monster launched in 1989. It came only as a manual, handled very well and mauled much of its competition. The wide body of the GTS rather spoiled the balance of its looks but still is an impressive car. It's probably Porsche's way of showing how the Trans Am should have been! I'd also agree your Dougometer, that measures classic cars against modern offerings is largely irrelevant. Keep posting these goodies!
You're absolutely right. The thing that got me was the sunvisor. He didn't realize it supposed to go behind your head to protect the back of your neck from the sun.
sorry, but it is a disaster from an ergonomic point of view ...... as the video shows ... just because the designer was recognized , it doesnt mean i have to dig the bullet. most of the features shown are not only ridiculous but impractical. As a matter of fact the car didnt last much in production. it is a nice car indeed and very well done, but the ergonomics are crap.
I recall back in the day, it was a top car until the C4 Vette knocked it off. Nowadays I would think they would be expensive and difficult for the average guy to maintain.
I think it is a great looking car. But, as my Grandfather told me when I was a young lad "Guy, If everybody liked the same thing, everybody would be trying to sleep with Grandma"
Porsche should relaunch the 928 as an updated version. The design is absolutely stunning and perfect. It looks real Porsche-like, form follows function, just like the 911. In my opinion, Porsche should not just built cars that somehow resemble the 911 design (cayman, SUV and the Panamera) like bloated versions of the 911. They should have another design line in their pockets, like the 928. It still looks modern and I would say That this shape could easily sell the latest e-car as a Tesla Killer or even a four-door version.
The purpose was that the blade swept horizontally across the back window- yes in vertical position. Cleaning a larger portion. Owned a 1985 928S new. Was an awesome car with a Blaupunkt AM/FM cassette stereo with 8 speakers. Unheard of back then. Also the "pod" steering wheel and dash all moved together as one. This was so a separately moving steering wheel would never block the al important dials.
I parked lux cars at 3 hotels (in my awesome teen dream jobs days), and the 928 had a knife sized key, with the first flashlight feature ever (to see where you were stabbing - lol! 🔪 🔦). The car was solid, sleekly rounded & soo futuristic, it looked like a nurse shark! 🦈 Dougie - why no reference to Tom Cruise’s iconic 928 featured in his big solo film Risky Business (“Porsche: there is NO substitute!”)?!
Doug, you failed to show how much genius this cars designers had. Even the small components of this well engineered specimen need to be looked over carefully to appreciate or even understand.. Lets review your judgement of the rear wiper arms. The twin arm setup although adding a level of complication is used to increase the amount of glass area swept by the wiper. They removed a lot of the arc that most other cars wiper systems provide as tiny unnaturally shaped viewing area's. In this car one wipe does almost the entire rear window. Every tractor trailer out their has used this type system to alter the wiped area's shape for the benefit of safety. Surely you can see the genius. You also did not understand the armrest detail you showed. The armrest and ultra handy compartment are great, but designers felt it was to narrow to be comfortable as an armrest for long autobahn cruises. At the same time a wider deeper armrest would add difficulty to entering the car as the doors are long and therefore can't open very far when next to other cars in the lot. Genius strikes again..After you push the button to open the armrest the armrest becomes that much wider by moving towards the seat occupant. Porsche also provided small cushions that tied on with small laces to pad these armrests for additional comfort. Simple beauty and practicality. This car is full of it. Disclaimer: I own 914,911,928. No Substitute.................
I must say I like Doug's videos, but I do disagree with him on this one. That's one of the best looking cars ever. And if it looked that good in the 90s, just think how good the new version would look now. They should have kept this one going
Instead of advancing the styling, leave the 928 GTS the same but evolve more efficient modern construction materials and techniques to get the price around $100K. Porsche would still have a best seller today, but it was too expensive. Definitely ahead of it's time. It'd be cool to see a new release- the best collectible examples will still run 180 mph like a champ.
What makes you think the new one would look better? Best designs are from the eighties and nineties. Porsche 993 is a million times better looking car than any new 911.
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You missed the coolest feature of the 928: The cruise control. A friend of mine had an early '90s 928, and one of our favorite things to do was take it up to 70, let it coast back down to maybe 20 mph, and hit "Resume". The car responded by immediately applying all available horsepower to rocket us back up to 70, whereupon it continued in its usual, stately fashion.
I think, Doug, that you missed the point of the linkage on the rear wipers. The linkage, as designed with the two arms, keeps the wiper blade more generally aligned with the length of the car. This means it swipes a bigger area - one that is more nearly rectangular. Actually a good design feature - well thought out. Also the hatch release button is actuated by pulling, rather than pushing, for a very simple reason: you could activate it when getting in or out if it were a push to activate control. Imagine your frustration if 50% of the time getting into the car accidentally opened the hatch - forcing you to get out and close it!
Yeah, I thought it was obvious why there are two wiper arms - wider sweep area. This guy doesn't think about things before just declaring them "weird".
Cadillac didn’t come to class for the lesson on frustration prevention in those days: Richard Hammond pointed out that on the 2005 CTS the brake release and hood (bonnet) release were small black plastic levers within an inch of each other.
Exactly. This underlines one thing I really don't like about this guy. He seems knowledgeable and passionate about cars but only from a 10 year olds maturity level. He never seems to think before making a stupid joke about a feature or function that is in fact a good idea. A few times he admits that a quirk is actually a good idea but usually he is too quick to go for the dumb joke. Many times I'm looking at the video realizing what the thing was for or at least attempting to do while he trolls the xyz feature with that self-congratulatory smug grimace. One thing I do like is that he shows the car. Some of these videos have these idiots in the center of the camera 90% of the time while the person is describing what they should be showing. I came to see the car, not your face. Doug does not do this fortunately.
Yea but every time its an older car he acts like its such a POS. I'd like to see him review a 1969 Plymouth Baracuda fully restored and make comments like its dated and doesn't handle well and watch the backlash unfold.
The only thing that's bothering me about dougscore is that you compare everything to modern cars. So basically you can say some of the best and most iconic cars from the past are rubbish, because they didnt have luxury equipment that wasn't even invented etc. Hard to take this kind of a rating system seriously.
@Soggymonkeyfilms I agree, there's no problem looking at them both from Then and Now perspectives. I wonder how many kids today don't know how dangerous Grandpa's 49 Ford, 53 Bel Air and 59 Impala cars were, for example but that's a bit different.
Also comparing the performance of suv's and luxury cars to sports cars and supercars. It makes an excellent car in its class with great performance look crap. Such as his v8 range rover which for its time performed better than any other suv.
Peter Schutz, the former Porsche global CEO from the 80s that Doug credits with saving the 911 in this video, died last year at age 87. He saved the most iconic sportscar of all time from extinction. RIP Peter.. Danke schoen!
Dont want to be a german grammar nazi, but u write it Dankeschön. Just like the usual joke about german that its just english words added together ;) Bitteschön
My mum drove a 928s in 1992 and I locked the 2 keys inside it by accident I was 9 years old at the time so Dad couldn’t very well beat me.. lol... it was over £800 back then to replace the window we had to break 😐.. pointless story I know but thought I’d share it...
Actually, not so pointless: It's a good testament to the security features of the 928's features that Doug didn't seem to understand: like the rear hatch release that's hard for a car thief to trigger ... or the twist-up door lock releases that are also hard to activate from outside the car.
Nick Costa Omg 20 odd years later every time I close the door of any car with the key still inside I look around to check it hasn’t locked its self!! Lol
I went to test drive one on the way to the airport. I accidentally locked the key in the car while the engine was running!! I had no time to help the salesman with anything, profusely apologized and hailed a cab to catch my plane. I figured it ran until the gas ran out. Never went back...
I locked my keys in the trunk of my Camaro a week ago. Luckily Chevy has an app to unlock it via 📱. As an aside our family had a 1984 928 S 20 years ago
OK- I owned a 928S4 for a few years. I’m sorry I sold it! I owned a 911SC and I liked it! I would buy my 928 back in a heartbeat! It was a manual and that’s how I would want it today. The author had a purpose and tried to carry it through. As with most experts, he had little/no experience as an owner. The “quirks” he made an object of humor were what made the car special. I could go on and on, but he made a big deal out of the rear visors. I owned my 928 when living in south Florida. Those visors came in handy too keep the greenhouse effect of the rear window at bay. The instrument cluster adjustment was also used by Nissan in later years (I wonder where they “lifted” the idea from) Finally, I liked the video better when I was able to mute the author!
I used to repair these in the 1990's, and from a technician's perspective, there were even more quirks. One weird feature was that on a steel body, this car had aluminum alloy doors and hoods to reduce weight. Another was the insanely long timing belt Porsche used on the engine, which not only drove the camshafts of both cylinder banks but also the oil and water pump, and which was a day's work to replace. Last but not least, hidden under the passenger footrest, there was a massive electric panel with literally dozens of relays and fuses, all connected by a terrifying jungle of hundreds of wires. Other cars from that era already had some modern circuit boards and electronic control units, but the 928 stuck to its 1970's heritage.
Still: a very nice, surprisingly civilised car to drive. I remember how I hit the gas pedal for the first time, and while it felt as if the car wasn't accelerating a lot, a look on the speedometer revealed that I was already going over 100 mp/h (within city limits, jeez!).
False.
"One weird feature was that on a steel body, this car had aluminum alloy doors and hoods to reduce weight." Except sports car makers like Porsche and Ferrari have been building cars like this for ages.
@@Atombender My Nissan 370Z has an alloy hood, alloy doors, and alloy hatch. And it would whoop this Porsche and is more reliable.
A friend of mine has 1990 one and he has sunk as much money in it as oppose to just buying a new car. No kidding. The up keep on these is out of this world and that's no BS.
It's such a piece of shit. Seriously, the timing system is a joke, with fuckin cam chains with oil-pressurized tensioners that have nylon pads on them tying the driven cam to the other--one in each head of course. The timing belt would fit around the circumference of the Earth itself, and this engine architecture was known for timing belt failures which sent all those nicely crafted Porsche internals crashing into each other. All that for like a car that is slower than a new Honda minivan. GT cars age so badly--the 928 is no exception.
2017 Doug is like 2019 Doug at 1.25 speed
SkuzeeII change speed of this vid to 1.5! Your welcome!
Yeah I know, just noticed that when surfing through his videos.
SkuzeeII I agree ☝️🙀
+1000
Top Shelf Innovations this video at 1.5 speed is the funniest shit I’ve seen all day 😂😂😂
The car that made Clarkson to meet his father for the last time.
*met
This car will always be special for him
*made him meet
Roland Malácsik Who cares, its Engrish anyway
And that idiot destroyed it anyway
I still like the 928 styling. To me it's timeless!
Never liked the 928's styling... and even though it was one of Thee Status Cars in status-conscious Dallas, I always felt peeps weren't getting their vanity dollars' worth... perhaps because so many Countachs and Vantages were also running about... ;')
I love it too, the headlights are a bit odd when they pop up, but everything else is great.
Eh, fitting the V8 made the proportions very un-Porsche like to me and kinda odd. It's not ugly though.
FYI: The rear sun visors were designed to flip all the way back against the top portion of the hatch back glass, to act as sun shades.
Yeah, that whole part of the video was particularly stupid.
@@emjayay yeah from what I've seen doug doesn't look for a lot, if any credible information about something intriguing about the car. He only looks for information from anything that's part of the car or occasionally the owner. it's ridiculous
I’d presume the key light was to avoid scratching the paint at night and the door storage is actually pop out arm rests (which I’ve used and they are great)
@@jimiknewstubb I grew up in Germany, and a close family friend had a 928; and you're exactly right as to the function of the key light, to find the keyhole in the dark, and YES THANK YOU the 'two-position' arm rests were a brilliant idea, and super comfortable..! Finally, what Silverado Dan says about the rear sun shades above is exactly right as well, they're there to be pretty much against the rear hatch glass to keep the sun off the back of your neck and head, and again, it was a brilliant, simple idea that worked perfectly...
They weren't there as a shade, they protected the rear seat occupants from bashing their head on the rear glass.
Doug the type of guy that holds the door open for himself and says thank you
4:03
Someone is going to have to explain this meme to me!
@@radudeATL the best one ive heard was doug, the type of guy to lick his finger before turning the page on his kindle.
Doug, the type of guy to use his turn signal when turning on the race track.
Doug is type of guy who would shit in his hands then he'd fuckin eat it
I miss these memes. What happened to them and why did people start respecting Dork Demuro?
The 928 is astonishingly beautiful. I don’t think it looks dated at all.
🤦♂
Beautiful, yes, but it is a very dated beautiful.
The looks aren't "dated," they're timeless. That car will ALWAYS look cool. As cars get more futuristic looking, cars like these will look more and more classically beautiful, like how we view 60's European cars today...
I think Doug drank too much coffee before shooting this video!
Cocaine
He probably found some in the car that someone left from the 90s
I changed the playback speed to 0.75 and it sounds totally normal that way. I was getting kind of anxious listening to it at "normal" speed. O.o
That's normal. He needs a chill pill.
He does speak in a manic way. He needs to calm down.
Ok, there are a number of issues with your review of the 928. The heavy accelerator that you are talking about is almost definitely caused by a worn accelerator cable, its relatively common and a simple fix. I owned a 928 for 17 years and if maintained properly the accelerator isn't any heavier than any other car. The lever on the dashboard that switches the miles to km/h also controls the onboard trip computer. There are hatch release buttons on each side of the car. They don't operate if the doors are closed. The variable wiper delay using a rotary knob on the dashboard was very common in the late '80s as you could infinitely adjust the intermittent delay setting on the wipers. The light in the key is dim because the battery is flat. Go to a supermarket and buy a new cell and it'll be bright again. The rest wiper is designed like that so that it wipes across a larger area. The rotary knob for the door locks was common across Porsches. The centre console compartment was designed to hold cassette tapes and originally had little holders tor them - the car you drove has had that removed. The odometer zero button on the car you tested is different to any 928 I've been in. Normally that button is for controlling the rear fog lights independently of the front fog lights. The back seats are not suitable for a 6' tall person. The rear air conditioning was added to boost cooling system performance in hot climates, not really for the rear passengers. It is a cooling unit only. Similarly the sunvisor in the rear is designed to block the sun coming through the rear window. The steering is heavier than most modern cars but provides great feel. The automatic in the GTS is ok but the choice for me was always the 5 speed manuals - especially the later unit put into the 87 and later cars. They are showing their age, but go and drive another '80s or '90s car and you will appreciate just how advanced they were. The poise at speed is phenomenal, and the passive rear wheel steering is amazing if you start to over-cook it. Similarly not mentioned is the traction control/active differential that provides an open differential at low speed to reduce under steer but will up based on input from the ABS sensors and a G sensor under the passenger seat to 100% locked to boost traction when needed. Put one wheel on a loose surface and this will lock the diff so that you drive off without the low traction wheel spinning. They also have 50-50 weight distribution and a nice low centre of gravity. They are an awesome GT car that you can drive long distances very fast in complete comfort and with confidence.
When pulling up the left tiny handle, the odometer toggles between odo1, odo2 and a stopwatch. The big odometer zero button also serves as a start/stop button for the stopwatch. At least valid for a 1989 928S4.
Mark Edwards ,Mark you know what you are talking about this guy hasn't got a clue about the 928 ,I also had one and it a great car.
Mark Edwards nice essay man
i have the 52nd car built....... and a beautiful 88 S4.
true supercars.
FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR MADE IN 87....
@Wayne That's the point: it's far, far away from being a shitbox. One of the greatest cars of it's era. Doug made several errors/misrepresentations about the car, whether intentional or not, and people like you buy it because you don't know any better either.
The "OIL OK?" flap protects the paint, the inscription is just an add on.
Tetta Zwo yup
I think it’s a great idea, many dumb people don’t ever think about checking the engine oil.
@@jeffneighbarger7735 z
3:09 Doug, the Porsche RWW is a parallelogram wiper system that requires two wiper arms. When the wiper is turned on, the 1st wiper arm pushes the wiper blade to sweep in a vertical arch. Then as it sweeps across, the second arm drags the wiper blade vertically to the other side of the window. Then it reverses the motion similarly back to the original position. The wiper works similarly like the wipers on the Greyhound buses
But it's better for him to belittle, laugh and find fault on some feature he doesn't know about than to actually do some research as to find out the why. I appreciate your informative post
Doug, the kind of guy who calls Detroit “lovely”.
That’s when I realised he was a liberal
Haha
Suburban Detroit is really nice. Better than most American Suburbs.
He wasn't in Detroit. That must have been somewhere in Oakland County between Telegraph and Woodward.
ironically as every other sentence of him....
If you ask any car interior designer, he or she would tell you the 928 interior was a milestone and has influenced a lot of the sports cars ergonomics that came after it.
-the rear sun visor is ment to cover the rear window. wish my 911 would have that.
- the "overcomplicated" door pockets are also the armrests. they come closer to the driver when pulled open and are very useful on long highway driving to rest your arm. they are very stable.
Love the 928. The beauty eternal design of It is amazing.
One of the best Porsche 928 visuals on all of TH-cam
th-cam.com/video/T-bd9TZjgFE/w-d-xo.html
Just badass Porsche film.
I actually like that the whole gauge cluster moves with the wheel, as my steering wheel can block the gauges at certain positions.
Some Pagani cars do that, you know.
I can't believe he didn't get the purpose of the rear sunvisors!!, its simply to protect the head of the rear passengers from the sun rays coming through the rear glass hatch, it should be flipped all the way to the back!
Well noted! I was getting ready to say the same thing. More of a sun shade really.
The rear visor doesnt go all the way back.it actually goes straight down..i have a 928 and it is definately odd..but i love it..
Doug is a idiot
@@richardwebb1790 an* idiot.
Or its to block ugly woman's faces. Particularity a wife.
And the door storage. How did he not understand why it opens. It has to open so you can get the shit you put in it OUT!!! This guy is a serious dorky nerd dipshit that somehow wound up doing shows about cars. I don’t get it tbh.
This is honestly still a nice car it has good looks
One of they best German road muchers ever built
I love how even at 27 Doug looked 40 lol
He's 27 in this video???
I'm not sure why you would "love" that?
at 40 hell look 27
Not sure the point of poking at him. If you don’t like the content-don’t watch.
i love how your mother looks way younger than she actually is. she a banger
Doug the type of guy to turn around and look before he flushes.
I don't.
You never know when your turds will grow teeth and try to bite you
I always check, just in case there's no blood.
Opals Bodhi I dont
learned a lot of new info but delivery far too relentlessly annoying. queuing up his next video already.
The round door lock knobs are there for 2 reasons. The locking pins disappear into the door sides when locked so you can't pull them up with your fingers. So you need the knob. Also it makes it more difficult for a thief if the window is left with a narrow opening. Some would use an improvised tool to grab and pull the door pin to unlock the door. Here you can't do that. The knobs are both functional & comfortable to use in everyday driving.
Dude your 928 is automatic :(
Unfortunately a lot of them are.
FUN FACT YOU MISSED: automatic 928's launch in second gear. No jokes. They always launch in second gear. The only time 1st gear would ever get used is if you actually put the pedal to the floor.
This gives the 928 a sluggish reputation. As most of them are automatic and people dont even know about it.
Very suprized that you missed this dougey! Its quirktacular.
Oh another fun 928 fact is that the 5.0 v8 is LITTERALLY two porsche 4 bangers stuck together. Like, same pistons.
The reason for this was because it used the Mercedes 722.3 transmission. It is possible to convert them to first gear starts though with a mod to the valve body.
@@gpzjeffrey7974 its also possible just by putting your foot to the floor. Or getting a standard :P
@@joshuanorris5860 I have no idea. There were, of course manual Mercedes transmissions, but it's likely the manual transmission for the 928 was made by Porsche. I've owned Mercedes, not Porsche. The 722.3 transmission by Mercedes is a very good and reliable one though, and the valve body modification to give it first gear starts is really easy, and there are parts kits available to do it. My 1991 300E with it's 722.3 had first gear start from the factory.
@@gpzjeffrey7974 nice.
Yeah i would have though a porsche trans. But im not sure now haha
I lived in Stuttgart when these were being produced and I must say I dont know if that was the reason for it, but the 928 is my favorite car of all time. I know it's a silly thing but It's really quite a cool car.
Mine too, I wanted one when I was a kid growing up in the 80s, I'm 51 and hopefully will have one soon.
Don't call your great taste in cars 'silly.' The 928 is a timeless beauty (I've had mine since 2000).
Doug the type of dude to wave at a dog
Raymond Hangs fuck yea he is 😅
"Hi Doggy"
Oh hi, Mantenner!
Damn iv done that before
Hahahaha the best so far
The way the headlights raise and lower on Porsche's 928 is just like on the legendary Lamborghini Miura !!
I've had pedestrians walk in front of mine asking me to pop up the lights.
Doug is the kind of guy that suddenly develops a cocaine habit before reviewing a 1980's Porsche.
I laughed way too hard at this.
at least he doesn't slobber on the dash (please tell me he didn't)
The "weight" of the car and steering make it incredibly stable. I occasionally had mine up to 150mph and it felt just as stable and smooth as cruising at 60. It also had pretty good grip and you can, with effort, throw it around winding roads and corners with confidence. Winding mountain roads at a steady70 to 80mph? No problem at all. Handling was incredibly predictable, unlike 911s of the era.
I did exactly the same! I had one for 14 years, everything you said is so true about the 928.
This model and it's styling is completely relevant today. It could have come out last year and been a hit. Amazingly beautiful.
I think the rear sun visor was intended to flip up against the top glass behind the passenger. Seems more logical to me anyway. Keeping them from a wicked sunburn on the neck since they are sitting below what is essentially a magnifying glass. 😊
I agree completely. That’s immediately what I thought.
...true, it is to prevent the passengers from a burned neck. This is video is just Porsche bashing without real knowledge.
awesome Porsche, seriously under appreciated. Simple, effective GT with a state of the art powertrain and chassis.
First let me say I’m a big fan but there are two correction I’d like to make. 1, the 928 was not design to cruise at 65mph but more like 120mph. It was designed for the Autobahn.
2, the rear sun visors were not designed to block the sun from the front, but to keep it off the sun coming in from the back window and onto your head and neck. Keep up the great work
I mean the 928 was aimed for the American market hence it having a V8 and a more boat-like design and driving experience, therefore i believe it was not designed for the Autobahn but for American highways. I personally own a 1991 Porsche 928 and i'm in love with it.
Doug, you think these features are weird because you don't know what problems these features solved!In Germany there weren't many sunroofs on the 928 but the dealers pushed for one because they thought at this price in the 70's that customers would want it. They were right because most 928 buyers were married! The Door pockets with the crazy folding arm rest is there because in testing with the sunroof open the wind blasts blew papers out of the pocket and all over the car. The slit is there to drop maps or directions back into the pocket without opening it while the car is in motion. Everything is there for a reason. The Germans are the most intelligent people on the planet. Believe me I wish I was one of them, I'm not! For the headlight, there were covers offered for them if you want to hide the headlights completely. You twist the door lock knob because in testing people tore rotator cuffs when pulling up on the button from the back or from weird angles. It was bad! You pull up the trunk button because it is a "safety switch" if you push it down you might press it while driving. The center console if for maps. That is why they made it shallow. You could buy an after market deeper pocket. The odometer reset button is there and it's big for rally racing just like the map pockets!!! I'm going to stop here and shut off the video. You have shown me time after time that you don't know about cars. There is an old saying "if you don't know what the bump on the roof of as GT40 is for just buy a Prius and call it quits!
nicholascremato, as far as I remember, the trunk lid latches don't function when the doors are closed anyway.
One thing about the 928 in the UK is that they were driven by careful drivers and hardly ever stolen, that made the insurance as cheap as a large family saloon.
I love the 928.
The sun-visor in the back is to stop the sun through the back window, you fold it all the way back...
mainly because back then , driving a 911 or a 928 wasn't easy to drive , since the car would try to kill you if you didn't knew how to drive properly and tried out driving methods being careless. mistakes were most often payed at the same moment they were made.
Those 2 are completely different and why would a car being easy to crash make the insurance cheaper.
BTW I sold insurance and coded quotation engines, I sort know what I am talking about when it come to my comment, not sure how yours is related.
The 911 handled like crap, all the 'hairy chested man' excuses were crap, they wanted a sports car that actually started from a neutral 50:50 distribution, hence my the mid V8 was going to push out the rear flat 6.
In '95 that's a 5.0 vs a 3.2, more grunt, more handling, should have pushed the 911 out if it was a rational choice, but, Germans got overruled by a sociopath, very odd that... [ shrugs ]
Philip Rowney I was wondering that about the visors.
Maybe the 911 but not the 928. Have you ever driven a 928? Road manners are very predictable.
The tall guy in the video seems to make snap judgements without really thinking the why of it, just because he couldn't work out why, or do the research, he gives 'the audience' the idea Porsche were foolish.
This in my mind tells me he either does not know or does not care about the heritage of exemplary engineering, especially with car manufacture.
It's like Telling the English they speak funny, it just smacks of slackness and a touch of ignorance.
Conversely he could be being specifically asshatlike just to make a 'talking point' which is very brash and a bit cynical, you need the work to stand out for itself.
Legend has it that Doug's wallet is still in the cars door
If its there, let me know. He bought a 05 GT40, so he has to have $$$.
@@ChicagoIrishman Ackshully it's it's just a Ford GT. The production car is the GT, the 60's racecar is the GT40.
@@brooksman10 do you want a cookie einstein?
@@aryze1137 I was making fun of myself there bud.
These jumped in value over the past few years. I shouldn't have sold my '87 S4 in 2015 (it's doubled in value since then). Really nice GTS models sell for over $100K. In order to appreciate the 928 you need to take a 100+ mile trip with it that includes plenty of high speed roads and twisties -- that's what they were designed for.
No, the dollar has decreased in value by 50%
I'm sure the lockout for the door handle storage compartment was to keep the door handle from pulling open when you try to pull the door shut. As a Corvette owner I can say that any storage on a sports car is good, mine has none. And my center console is exactly like that one. The dash moving with the tilt steering wheel wasn't uncommon in 80s and 90s upscale cars. The idea was that the dash gauges wouldn't be blocked regardless of the position of the wheel. And a 5.5sec 0-60 is still great today.
brianjcavanaugh he dropped his wallet into that space and if the latch hadnt been there he would have had a truly worthwhile point to bitch about..
You should collaborate with autotrader.com so we can learn more about the cars you review
legend
maybe write a blog, that would be cool
Sir Bertus or a column maybe
President_Honor oh yeah that sound even better. Maybe call it something that refers to his love of driving hard.
Sir Bertus oversteer maybe?
Can we all just take a moment to give Doug the credit he deserves? He is one of the most consistently good car channels on TH-cam. Every video is well put together and interesting. The view count on his videos are a testament to how good they are. Most of his videos get upwards of a million views, and for good reason! Anyways, Doug, if you're reading this, keep up the good work!
Ryan Braverman his reviews are funny, that's why i'm suscribed...
he is also the type of guy to have his videos comments full of type of guy comments
I think his 740,000 subscribers and paying car dealership sponsors are a good amount of credit. 🙂❤
I find him annoying
Then leave.
I had one of these when I was in the Army up in Alaska. A dude was PCSing and I bought it off him for 8 grand. I drove that thing for 5 years and dogged the absolute piss out of it. I didn't touch it besides changing the oil. Sold it when I PCS'd out for 8 grand! Lol. I had a blast in that little Porsche and will never forget all the fond memories whipping that thing around. I hope it's still on the road somehow.
Doug DeMuro: ruining my childhood one exotic car at a time
My brother in law had a porsche 928.
Believe me,its the ideal car to drive from the Netherlands,to Switserland on the autobahn,with very high and comfortable speed(at night)
True!
I rented a 928 S4 for 4 days last January. "Believe me" ........ try one, if you can.
You could just buy a perfectly maintained regular 928 for less than a used Civic. I almost bought one as my first car (and that was a very long time ago). The previous owner had an aviation log book with the entire maintenance history. Totally mint low mileage car.
@@chosenideahandle Not an S4 or GTS
You didn't mention the gas flap was designed to protect the finish from damage while fueling up
@@koolmaaan he plainly didnt know, no benefit of doubt with americans
because, he didn't knew
These also one for the same reason at the gas filler on my 1971 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia, but it doesn't say, "Oil Okay?"
I think the era of the pump shutoff failure ended in the 1980s.
One of the best Porsche 928 visuals on all of TH-cam
th-cam.com/video/T-bd9TZjgFE/w-d-xo.html
Just badass Porsche film.
I had two of them, a 1982 4.5L and the last one being a 1991 928S4. Almost identical to the one reviewed here. The main difference being the engine size. The GTS had a 5.4L engine and mine had a 5.0L engine. Not really much difference in performance but big difference in value. It was the best car I ever owned. I have always regretted selling it.
Another quirk of this car: with a right numberplate it can cause a riot in Argentina
Hehehehe
H982 FKL
Doug the type of guy that wears Power Ranger underwear
Doug is the type of guy to get excited about parades.
brendan boynton yes risky business too
One of the best looking Porsches ever.
@@EricMewhort I'm guessing you're trolling. Not sure where in their post they said they weren't around those other models.
@@user-lq4wk5ub1k What? The original comment said one of the best looking Porsches ever... I disagree with that. I'm not sure why you would think I'm trolling.
Matthew S have You seen the 959?
R u blind
@@tiborlajosbognar2422 I'll take a 928 & a 959 to go. Quickly. 😁
I had a 1983 S model. The car was phenomenal….until you had to service it. I know some of the later ones had more power and they needed it. Despite these gripes I regret getting rid of it. I just purchased a supercharged c6 . If the Vette doesn’t give me the same feel as the 928 I will be purchasing a 928 and contacting Renegade Hybrids for a LS swap. Anyone considering one , buy it.
Doug the type of guy who can't figure out the rear sun visor is for the rear window.
i was thinking the same thing!!! Wow Doug I figured it out when you sat in the rear seat trying to pull in in front of your face.............
GSA I thought it was just me who noticed that haha
Doug, the rear visor is to protect your head from getting sunburnt sitting in the rear. Fold it up and back, flat against the window for it to shade your head!
that'd be cool, too bad thats not what it was though
There were three amazing features in the 928 - I owned a 1980 and my dad owned a 1990. The rear Weissach axle delivered passive, mechanical four-wheel steering - if you put your foot down while doing a U-turn the turning circle becomes insanely tiny. The Mercedes gearbox was mounted in the rear giving a perfect 50-50 weight distribution and the steering on mine was as light as a feather. The coolest feature by far was the little button on the floor under the accelerator pedal that locks the rear-mounted Mercedes gearbox into first gear until you exceed 60MPH/100KPH. When I put the pedal to the floor in the 4.5L V8 1980 model, motorbikes had trouble keeping up! Oh, and the entire interior - front, back and ceiling - was lined in beautifully soft leather. Because the gearbox was in the rear of the car, there was an engine-speed, carbon fiber transaxle (the reason for the tiny center console), and because the car was so low the transaxle was at waist height, while your legs stick straight out in front of you - your bum was were mere inches from the road at all times.
Drawbacks were the finicky vacuum system powering the central locking, the literal miles of electrical wiring all controlled by relays; the extremely low clearance of the car necessitated sacrificial after-market skids to protect the front-end; and the tendency to rapidly burn through the W0 oil and power steering fluid. I had a set of the workshop manuals and PET parts guide in eight or nine D-ring binders filling an entire bookshelf, which I had to bring with me to my mechanic. When dad sold his, the buyer easily hit (Edit: 175MPH/280KPH) down the gun barrel highway across the Nullarbor plain - the world's longest straight stretch of road.
Still looks fantastic today !
The rear sunshade are for protecting rear passanger for the sun coming from the rear at the back of the head ...the porsche engineer are not stupid mr doug !
“Maybe your uncle has one”
Yes.
He does.
Only reason I’m here is because it’s in terrible condition and I want to fix it
That would be a difficult project. Definitely worth it though!
Please tell me the 3/4 windows are okay 👌
I don't know why , but i love the 928 GTS.
FUSION ROUSH...hell yeah, it's unique and the thing's a beast...
It's always been one of my favorite cars.
Plenty of people will sell you one ;-)
My favorite Porsche, by far, the thing is a beast....
As I recall, my "86 S4 held ten (10) quarts of oil.
993 was from the same era and was way better-looking plus drove better
@@bvedant The 993 had a really garbage interior tho. Much less comfortable and less advanced than the 928 gta
There was nothing else like it. I loved it from day one and still do. It's why I'm a Porsche fan today.
It looks like an alcoholic frog
I was a mechanic at a shop about 20 years ago and an early 928 came in for a safety inspection. A very cool car. Magnesium lug nuts, a handful of them were so light you almost couldn't feel them in your hand.
Titanium
@@ljones9599 Vibranium
I stopped smoking weed the day I spent 30 min looking for my phone under the bed, while using my phone flashlight
Cameron Vu did you find it?
big bed
Whoa dude........weed??
bet u still smoke weed everyday
This shit made my day!
That amazing Porsche that was the dream of almost every viewer of the movie, "Risky business," though that 928 was a manual. It stole my heart and has ever since been my favorite Porsche. Love the design and quirks. thanks for the great review, Doug!
“Who’s da uboat commanda?”
That movie was one of the reasons why I bought an ‘81. Man, such a cool car. I moved to Austin in the 90’s and nobody knew what it was. Mechanics never saw one. The v8 sound was awesome. And yes, it cruises just fine at 120mph. Drove it a few times on 280, nary a ticket. Had a friggin heavy clutch, one meant for 2 ton truck. Stop n go traffic on 101 - not a good idea for a commuter car.
And a manual is the only way to go in an old Porsche. Those automatics back then were ok for comfortable cruisers but they ruined every sportiness. Even today I prefer manual transmission in sporty cars. My BMW Z4 35i E89 is manual and I would not want it any other way.
The 928 was my favorite car as a kid after seeing "Risky Business". I remember back in '96, I used to always see the same red 928GTS driving around town. It belonged to some guy that was built like Brock Lesnar, and he always wore Gold's Gym clothing or something similar. I often wonder if he kept that car and decided to preserve it. I haven't seen many nice examples of the 928 for some reason. I guess the maintenance costs may have been disproportionately high compared to the other models. Those cars still look great to me, and it has fantastic lines. Old (pre-F355) Ferraris? They definitely look dated as hell.
SuperN0va They made a 928 S4 model which was a sweet car.
SuperN0va yeah, loved the S4. It was my favourite car at the time & a friend's dad had one. Difficult to explain just how futuristic this looked. Another super cool feature was the tyre pressure monitoring system. We take it for granted now but back in the 80s that was amazing
I've only had the pleasure of working on once 928 over the years when I used to install mobile A/V entertainment systems. It was a beautiful burgundy color but the interior was worse for wear. I still don't regret meeting my hero, though.
Serby I remember. As a kid, I had 2 or 3 phones in my room, all were 928 models. (this was when kids still had home phones and not cellphones). My mom definitely paid attention at Christmas and birthdays. Also I'd like to say that the Porsche in "Risky Business" had the best sounding exhaust I'd ever heard (in all my 7 or 8 years on Earth). Looking back, I wonder if they sampled the sound of a Countach for the movie.
I had one of the rare manual 928 gts with a five speed ZF dog leg transmission.
It was a real treat to drive.
How did you afford it?
If it ever becomes collectable?! It already is!
MVia ???? People who think their aesthetic is superior to someone else’s are idiots.
I loved my dad's 928. The 5-speed was far superior to the automatic.
I don't think you could get the gts in a manual..I could be wrong, but I've tried to buy a few and they've all been autos.
@@Hamburgler6.9 my dad's wasn't a GTS. It was a 1984 928, just a regular model, with the 5-speed. Its criminal Porsche didn't put more manuals in these cars.
@@BluSTi definitely a deal breaker.
@@Hamburgler6.9 It's such a great platform, then to neuter it with a slushbox...
Richard Gwaltney there are 928 GTS manuals here in Germany but they are very rare. Maybe they didn’t sold them in USA
Doug, I bet those rear sun visors are meant fold back to go behind the rear passenger's head to keep sun off their head/neck. Would make more sense.
We have a winner! I'm sure the answer is too confusing to this man to understand. The car's owner should really rethink lending him such a fine automobile.
HarvesterUT2 I can confirm that they are indeed supposed to go behind the passengers head.
Weird Science has the best shot of this car ever when Gary Wyatt and Lisa leave the mall...2nd is "Risky Business" w Tom Cruise...great 80s movies
those cars were MUCH earlier versions and totally different from the GTS
@@Tommyblueeyes yeah that's the problem with Porsche and many other cars, no one can tell them apart
@@andrefecteau yeah it's only if you are a fan of the car...that's when you notice
I was 12 when I saw Weird Science, I told my dad right then that someday I was going to own that car. He kinda chuckled and told me I better get a great job to afford it. Fast forward 15 years, I bought it and was one of the happiest days of my life. A childhood dream come true. My license plates were "SETAGOL", owned the car for 14 years.
I need 16 minutes of complete silence to even this out.
haha
16:40*
🤣🤣
Dude I’m crying
Lol hilarious
If Doug thinks the door storage latch is useless, try picking up the wallet you just inserted from the tiny opening.
Was looking for this. Its pretty ingenious: Being able to put valuable stuff in the door without risking it falling out accidentally.
Sorry Doug but you're way off on many counts. The 928 was designed by Anatole Lapine and was considered one of the most advanced designs of its time. The crushable front and rear bumpers were probably the first of their kind at the time. The V8 was highly advanced for its day and mounted well back offering a rare (at the time) front-mid engined layout with a rear transaxle gearbox hence providing optimum handling. The car was thus way ahead of its time at launch.
True early versions look very dated now but by the time the S4 was launched, it looked very contemporary. The most desirable 928 isn't the GTS but the S4GT, a 330bhp monster launched in 1989. It came only as a manual, handled very well and mauled much of its competition. The wide body of the GTS rather spoiled the balance of its looks but still is an impressive car. It's probably Porsche's way of showing how the Trans Am should have been!
I'd also agree your Dougometer, that measures classic cars against modern offerings is largely irrelevant.
Keep posting these goodies!
MrRea112 he's not way off, he's giving his opinion and the basics of the car, not a 2000 word boring essay..
You're absolutely right. The thing that got me was the sunvisor. He didn't realize it supposed to go behind your head to protect the back of your neck from the sun.
928 sucks. Buy a 951 if you want a car that has performance actually worth the pain of keeping it maintained.
sorry, but it is a disaster from an ergonomic point of view ...... as the video shows ... just because the designer was recognized , it doesnt mean i have to dig the bullet.
most of the features shown are not only ridiculous but impractical. As a matter of fact the car didnt last much in production.
it is a nice car indeed and very well done, but the ergonomics are crap.
I recall back in the day, it was a top car until the C4 Vette knocked it off. Nowadays I would think they would be expensive and difficult for the average guy to maintain.
I love 1978 to 1986 first generation Porsche 928 design futuristic tail light front end and body design.
I was hooked on the 928 as a kid when I saw the burnout in Weird Science.
LOL! me too! Watched it over and over with headphones.
Same bro
You know what they say about opinions Thomas
Same here. Honestly the only reason I clicked on the video.
With Ratt playing.
I think it is a great looking car. But, as my Grandfather told me when I was a young lad "Guy, If everybody liked the same thing, everybody would be trying to sleep with Grandma"
What did i just read.
🤣
Absolute legend
LOL
Doug the type of guy to give someone the finger on the highway but then follow them when they exit so he can apologize.
CrimsonStang lmao
Porsche should relaunch the 928 as an updated version. The design is absolutely stunning and perfect. It looks real Porsche-like, form follows function, just like the 911.
In my opinion, Porsche should not just built cars that somehow resemble the 911 design (cayman, SUV and the Panamera) like bloated versions of the 911. They should have another design line in their pockets, like the 928. It still looks modern and I would say That this shape could easily sell the latest e-car as a Tesla Killer or even a four-door version.
Dude, the rear wiper has two arms because it's a parallelogram...the blade stays vertical. Come on.
And it wipes the entire window from edge to edge.
how could he know....... he never saw that, and it's rocket science to him
The purpose was that the blade swept horizontally across the back window- yes in vertical position. Cleaning a larger portion. Owned a 1985 928S new. Was an awesome car with a Blaupunkt AM/FM cassette stereo with 8 speakers. Unheard of back then. Also the "pod" steering wheel and dash all moved together as one. This was so a separately moving steering wheel would never block the al important dials.
I parked lux cars at 3 hotels (in my awesome teen dream jobs days), and the 928 had a knife sized key, with the first flashlight feature ever (to see where you were stabbing - lol! 🔪 🔦). The car was solid, sleekly rounded & soo futuristic, it looked like a nurse shark! 🦈
Dougie - why no reference to Tom Cruise’s iconic 928 featured in his big solo film Risky Business (“Porsche: there is NO substitute!”)?!
@@0whip99 He could figure it out before the video? How can he know? lol he owns it, he could simply try it, that's how.
Doug, you failed to show how much genius this cars designers had. Even the small components of this well engineered specimen need to be looked over carefully to appreciate or even understand..
Lets review your judgement of the rear wiper arms. The twin arm setup although adding a level of complication is used to increase the amount of glass area swept by the wiper. They removed a lot of the arc that most other cars wiper systems provide as tiny unnaturally shaped viewing area's. In this car one wipe does almost the entire rear window. Every tractor trailer out their has used this type system to alter the wiped area's shape for the benefit of safety. Surely you can see the genius.
You also did not understand the armrest detail you showed.
The armrest and ultra handy compartment are great, but designers felt it was to narrow to be comfortable as an armrest for long autobahn cruises. At the same time a wider deeper armrest would add difficulty to entering the car as the doors are long and therefore can't open very far when next to other cars in the lot. Genius strikes again..After you push the button to open the armrest the armrest becomes that much wider by moving towards the seat occupant. Porsche also provided small cushions that tied on with small laces to pad these armrests for additional comfort. Simple beauty and practicality. This car is full of it. Disclaimer: I own 914,911,928. No Substitute.................
Make your own video; no one will read your stupidly long comment
hovered4, like charlyoak said. And nobody cares. Not only is the car "full of it" 😂
I love when the sole argument is: "Lol too long, didn't read" which translates to "I'm imature and have the attention span of a 5yo"
My favorite Porsche ever, extremely overengineered and practically indestructible when maintained properly. I love that thing!
You know your 928's. I've have mine for 19 years. Very low maintenance since I had everything fixed in the beginning and maintained since then.
I must say I like Doug's videos, but I do disagree with him on this one. That's one of the best looking cars ever. And if it looked that good in the 90s, just think how good the new version would look now. They should have kept this one going
Instead of advancing the styling, leave the 928 GTS the same but evolve more efficient modern construction materials and techniques to get the price around $100K. Porsche would still have a best seller today, but it was too expensive. Definitely ahead of it's time. It'd be cool to see a new release- the best collectible examples will still run 180 mph like a champ.
What makes you think the new one would look better? Best designs are from the eighties and nineties. Porsche 993 is a million times better looking car than any new 911.
I think it’s ugly
pop-up headlights are illegal now.
@@diablocls55 very ugly
Indeed. Didn’t like it then or now.
At 4:32, the "weird door Lock" was a THEFT DETERRENT...
I appreciate this lock because I’ve always had a hard time unlocking with slippery fingers
@@erikwithak6555 why do u have slippery fingers
@@maxolsen9416 Anytime I drive my car I like to lube my hands for less friction so I drive faster
@@erikwithak6555 yeah or ur just greasy
Doug is the type of guy where people will post about what type of guy he is.
DAMN, did you blatantly rip off my comment?
Zzyzx Wolfe cause he has alot of interesting quirks and ppl love him for that
@@yeshwantdasari2075 the same comment you stole from about 1000 other people?
cause he reviews cars to have a chance to show is what he is about.
You didn't open the hood and show the engine :( Wanted to see a porsche v8
Jennifer Black
I know Jennifer why didn't he open it and talk about the engine which is actually pretty dam special for its time.
Why,why,why ???????!!!!!!!!!!! Who gives a fuck.
Louis Lestat Some people care if their girl was born a man. Some ppl don't. Some ppl swear beer from a bottlw tastes better. Some ppl don't. Some ppl have to see the engine...
Louis Lestat Some people care if their girl was born a man. Some ppl don't. Some ppl swear beer from a bottlw tastes better. Some ppl don't. Some ppl have to see the engine...
pirateofthemilkyway lol fucking creep
You missed the coolest feature of the 928: The cruise control. A friend of mine had an early '90s 928, and one of our favorite things to do was take it up to 70, let it coast back down to maybe 20 mph, and hit "Resume". The car responded by immediately applying all available horsepower to rocket us back up to 70, whereupon it continued in its usual, stately fashion.
OIL OK?
TheMidnightNarwhal No.
God FUCKING DAMNIT!
@BandomBeviews What every bmw driver says after checking it hehehehehehe
Yes daddy
Blinker fluid ok?
KillerCobble no actually, Indicator, OK? Lol
I think, Doug, that you missed the point of the linkage on the rear wipers. The linkage, as designed with the two arms, keeps the wiper blade more generally aligned with the length of the car. This means it swipes a bigger area - one that is more nearly rectangular. Actually a good design feature - well thought out. Also the hatch release button is actuated by pulling, rather than pushing, for a very simple reason: you could activate it when getting in or out if it were a push to activate control. Imagine your frustration if 50% of the time getting into the car accidentally opened the hatch - forcing you to get out and close it!
Yeah, I thought it was obvious why there are two wiper arms - wider sweep area. This guy doesn't think about things before just declaring them "weird".
agreed
Cadillac didn’t come to class for the lesson on frustration prevention in those days: Richard Hammond pointed out that on the 2005 CTS the brake release and hood (bonnet) release were small black plastic levers within an inch of each other.
It is called a 'pantograph wiper'.... my boat has them.
Exactly. This underlines one thing I really don't like about this guy. He seems knowledgeable and passionate about cars but only from a 10 year olds maturity level. He never seems to think before making a stupid joke about a feature or function that is in fact a good idea. A few times he admits that a quirk is actually a good idea but usually he is too quick to go for the dumb joke.
Many times I'm looking at the video realizing what the thing was for or at least attempting to do while he trolls the xyz feature with that self-congratulatory smug grimace.
One thing I do like is that he shows the car. Some of these videos have these idiots in the center of the camera 90% of the time while the person is describing what they should be showing. I came to see the car, not your face. Doug does not do this fortunately.
I like these vintage reviews. They're a nice break from all new cars
Spen Baulding
Ray of Borea completely unrelated yet perfect reply
Ben Spaulding nice forehead
Yea but every time its an older car he acts like its such a POS. I'd like to see him review a 1969 Plymouth Baracuda fully restored and make comments like its dated and doesn't handle well and watch the backlash unfold.
Doug is the type of guy to get into a sleeping bag head first
Haha very underrated comment
as per 2019, this is already a collector and desirable car. It is way more expensive to buy than 2-3 years ago ......
Doug the type of guy to applaud in the cinema at the end of a movie
Trissl the type of guy to call a movie theater a Cinema.
greySTEAM Lol.
The room did that when I went to go see Transformers because muh patriotism.
And he does!
*with his tongue out
The only thing that's bothering me about dougscore is that you compare everything to modern cars. So basically you can say some of the best and most iconic cars from the past are rubbish, because they didnt have luxury equipment that wasn't even invented etc. Hard to take this kind of a rating system seriously.
Robert Kiil I find that it's still a valid way to rate the car
Robert Kiil they were iconic cars of the past, but the performance and practicality should be compared to modern cars to show the diffetences
@Soggymonkeyfilms I agree, there's no problem looking at them both from Then and Now perspectives. I wonder how many kids today don't know how dangerous Grandpa's 49 Ford, 53 Bel Air and 59 Impala cars were, for example but that's a bit different.
Also comparing the performance of suv's and luxury cars to sports cars and supercars. It makes an excellent car in its class with great performance look crap. Such as his v8 range rover which for its time performed better than any other suv.
I thought the Doug Score was supposed to a joke. At least I've always found the notion laughable
A great man once said "As far as I am concerned, the 928... is alright"
Peter Schutz, the former Porsche global CEO from the 80s that Doug credits with saving the 911 in this video, died last year at age 87. He saved the most iconic sportscar of all time from extinction. RIP Peter.. Danke schoen!
Dont want to be a german grammar nazi, but u write it Dankeschön. Just like the usual joke about german that its just english words added together ;)
Bitteschön
@@Zelectec Germans are nazis.
@@dummekommentarefullhdvonka2359 HAlts Maul du Hirni. Also enjoy the block...
@@dummekommentarefullhdvonka2359 you don't have a clue what a Nazi really is
911 iconic? 911s look like an old VW bug with a glued on body kit, butt ugly cars.
My mum drove a 928s in 1992 and I locked the 2 keys inside it by accident I was 9 years old at the time so Dad couldn’t very well beat me.. lol... it was over £800 back then to replace the window we had to break 😐..
pointless story I know but thought I’d share it...
Actually, not so pointless: It's a good testament to the security features of the 928's features that Doug didn't seem to understand: like the rear hatch release that's hard for a car thief to trigger ... or the twist-up door lock releases that are also hard to activate from outside the car.
Hahaha I did exactly the same to my dads gts. Now I have a phobia of shutting car doors with the keys in them !!
Nick Costa
Omg 20 odd years later every time I close the door of any car with the key still inside I look around to check it hasn’t locked its self!! Lol
I went to test drive one on the way to the airport. I accidentally locked the key in the car while the engine was running!! I had no time to help the salesman with anything, profusely apologized and hailed a cab to catch my plane. I figured it ran until the gas ran out. Never went back...
I locked my keys in the trunk of my Camaro a week ago. Luckily Chevy has an app to unlock it via 📱. As an aside our family had a 1984 928 S 20 years ago
Doug the type of guy to click on the pornhub ads about Melissa wanting to meet you 1.3 miles away
TheChickenNugget literally slapped my knee when I read that 😂
Whoa Doug is only 1.3 miles from Melissa aswell, he must live on the same street as me!
10k says he voted for Hillary. He's whining that much the 928's V8 sounds like it's got a supercharger.
Wet Lettuce .
TheChickenNugget NEVER get serious with a Melissa. Ever. Trust me on this one.
As a 15-year-old German teenager in 1977, I was fascinated by this car with an incredible 300 hp
dougs the type of guy to drive cars and review its quirks and features
Hahahahha
no n9 quite literally. I also heard he the type of dude to promote his blog on autotrader.com/oversteer
Well..then he picked the right car ;)
why is this funny
no n9 that's what he does for a living already...
The Math on inflation is incorrect. $88,000 in 1994 is closer to $145k in 2017.
Do you think Doug will get it right next time?
Gotta rack up those clickbait views brah
Hey I'm from the future, dont get the shot they are going to try to force on you in a few years.
@@justinpino8115 Hey I’m from the even distant future. Don’t eat the crickets. It’s people.
Shots of the engine? No mention of the 7ft timing belt or insane looking intake manifold?
ubercooper The engine sound of this car is awesome and none of that
OK- I owned a 928S4 for a few years. I’m sorry I sold it! I owned a 911SC and I liked it! I would buy my 928 back in a heartbeat! It was a manual and that’s how I would want it today. The author had a purpose and tried to carry it through. As with most experts, he had little/no experience as an owner. The “quirks” he made an object of humor were what made the car special. I could go on and on, but he made a big deal out of the rear visors. I owned my 928 when living in south Florida. Those visors came in handy too keep the greenhouse effect of the rear window at bay. The instrument cluster adjustment was also used by Nissan in later years (I wonder where they “lifted” the idea from) Finally, I liked the video better when I was able to mute the author!
I can't see a 928 without thinking of Jeremy clarkson... anyone else?
Goreo Productions that, or my dad
Goreo Productions "Jeremy! You've turned your car into a living room!"
Same.
Ripa moramee I thought you were dead
Add 2 doors and you have the new panamera styled twenty years ago. You can option one of those to $180k as well
Please don't compare the 928 to the Panamera. The 928 doesn't deserve that
The door compartment solution is genius. Easily throw things in but still have a lid.
that definitely could throw off law enforcement
Still one of my favourite cars, and to a none petrol-head it no doubt looks contemporary.