Wow, it turned out way better than I thought. Thanks for the tutorial! To anyone reading this comment for it to work properly the distance between the holes and the edge on the front and back boards **must be longer** than the width of the spine. Otherwise the covers can't reverse fold properly. For reference for my book it was 6 sections of 4 sheets to make an A6 book, the spine was 10mm wide, and the thread extended 15mm into the front and back boards.
It's amazing to know the story behind this technique, great video! * It was exciting to hear that you also know Sea Lemmon🤭 I enjoy your videos and learn from them, keep it up✨👌😊
Thanks! Sea Lemon was a huge inspiration when I was starting out. All the best, Darryn
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This is a coptic binding with a variation for the covers. In reallity, I think this is an upgrade to coptic or, better yet, a cover system that actually protect the 'stiching' of the coptic. I was looking for a cover system for coptic - I was trying many things myself - and this is it. Maybe there are better systems out there and I still want to invent one myself but this is it. Also, I need to say I also fan to help counting pages. But I do it without thinking and hearing it, opened my mind to it. Thanks! I'm gonna see the Sea Lemon version now because she is incredible. I learned a lot from her so I think it's only fair! BRAVO! PS: I wish to know the 'creator' variation to see what is different. But I think there are older books with this technique.
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Oh, I see you did her version. Put it on the description cause people will get to see more easily! :)
@@DASBookbinding It must be hard to think of new material all the time. How about a Coptic, Japanese Stab or some other exposed spines? Sewing with ribbons. An artist portfolio style book (simple folio protected by boards with a flap) Maybe a piece about your favorite tools, papers and other tips. Hand marbled papers. Fixing common problems on books. How about a grimoire style book for Halloween? Thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us!
Thanks for the ideas. I wish I was that talented to do all these. I do have a video on coptic sewing and a portfolio with flaps. I'm working on a favourite tools video. Don't know how I've made that as hard as I have:) Really wish I could do western marbling. Trying to stay away from restoration - many toes to step on. I am working on a Halloween book. Guess I should get cracking on that. All the best, DAS
Excellent video, as always. I've made one of these in the past, and while they're fun to make and a good beginner project I think they're a solution in need of a problem. I can maybe see them being useful as a sketchbook, since you can fold the cover out of the way, it lies flat-ish (a thinner spine piece would help), and being non-adhesive the pages can be removed and the book refilled once you've drawn on all of them. So I guess I've just answered my own question :p
Certainly a great beginner project, extending skills etc. But also offers lots of creative opportunities for serious binders with more imaginative minds than mine. All the best, Darryn
It is a great project for developing skills with sewing, and other foundation skills. But the best part is you don;t need a press or guillotine or other special tools. All the best, Darryn
recently found your channel.... i just did this project and it came out good for a first ever bookbinding attempt.....you are really great at explaining every step and detail so the project was easy to follow... i will be trying others
Thanks! It was harder to demonstrate than I expected. I was worried all the moving the cover around would make it hard to follow. I was glad I went with the cream thread on black covers. All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding Allow me to throw my thanks on here for a lovely, clear tutorial. The cream on black was genius, and not something that every video maker thinks of to make things easier to see. Worked a charm!
The mathematician and old knot tying boy scout in me is thinking of variations. = Ribbons instead of cords connecting the cover sections. The ribbons ending on the outside present some complications, or artistic potentials. - Alternate crisscross patterns making X patterns on the spine. - A loose leaf variation for attaching folded papers that are easily removed.
Fanning the pages to help with counting out the sections! I always get some great tip from your videos. Plus the history of the binding and its variations was interesting.
There is a great bookbinder in Brisbane that fans and twists and can count out 4 sections between his fingers. I guess that is the skill that comes from a trade apprenticeship. DAS
Howdy, this is terrific. I've been wanting to make a book using this binding method for some time. Your explanation is as always perfect. Beautiful binding and book too BTW. I love your work. Thank you so much for sharing. Stay safe.
This video is just what I was looking for to take my simple bookmaking to the next level. I am curious as to where you got that piece of machinery you use to cut the boards starting around the 3-minute mark.
I second this question. Seems like it should be labeled "Ages 5 and up" since an enterprising toddler could pull the spine piece right out. :D I wonder if there's a good variant that attaches that piece more firmly? Oh, and another great vid, btw!
It took me awhile to understand what you meant. I think the comment about the enterprising toddler made it clear. Just went downstairs to the bindery to try it out. It's held very tight, but with some serious effort you could pull it out I think. If it was a real concern you could glue a little tab of matching cover material over the thread that aren't used for sewing on the section. But give it a go and see what you think. Thanks for the smile! DAS
I just tried this and the instructions are great. for some reason one side folded beautifully and the other side was really tight and wouldn't open past about 45deg, any thoughts on where I went wrong?
I find it hard to get the tension in the sewing even. Because it doesn't use a locking knot when going up sections, the tension can even itself out with use. That would be my guess. Good luck! DAS
Having tried this style I couldn't fold the cover back when finished. It looks like your holes for the spine binding must be at least as far in from the edge at the width of the spine board. As your spine was less than your 15mm hen you didn't experience this problem.
Great video as always! I was wondering if it possible to cheat a little bit and sew the signatures together and then attaching them to the cover, instead of sewing one by one directly in the cover. Any thoughts on that?
I think it would end up a bit looser then it already is? But trying things like this is how new bindings and variations are invented! Give it a go! DAS
I think this would also work easily with two or more coloured threads, just skip a hole when moving downwards. Might make the finished book look more interesting.
I love your videos. This is one that i really want to try as my first binding. My question is about what happens at the 18:30 minute. All of a sudden it looks like you are unfolding or opening the spine of the book. Of course i know that the spine is a single piece so it can't be unfolded. I think I am missing something. I have watched that part a 100 times and it just confuses me. Anyways, I am going to try it. Keep up the good work
It's just a little trick or feature of this type of book that the front cover can fold all the way to the back. For the sewing of the sections to the cover it is just a bit more convenient to have the front cover out of the way and thus I use this feature to fold it to the back at this point. The best way to understand how it is possible is to make one. For your first try, just do a trial run, and don't much around covering the boards. Just get some cardboard, punch some holes and try sewing them together using whatever thread you have. One test run will make all the difference to your actual first book. Good luck! Darryn
Hey, quick question: I notice you always use an awl to punch through signatures. What is the advantage of using an awl over lining up all of the signatures and sawing a narrow line across the back (e.g. with a jewelry saw)?
The awl doesn't remove materials, it just pushes it to the side, and the resulting hole is much smaller. Not in this binding, but in others you can then close the hole back up after sewing with a bone folder. Sawing in was common in trade binding because it was fast. It still has its use. I often saw in the kettle stitch locations so there is a groove for the kettle stitches to sit in making the back smoother. Just be careful to only saw in just enough. Also for sunken cords the sewing locations have to be sawn in. I would not recommend it for this binding because the sawn holes would be very obvious. All the best, DAS
I think there is only one version and it is both French and English. I've put it on my to-do list to check and update the description int he videos with link. Ciao, DAS
It's linen in a skein that I plait. I get it from Hewits and I have a video on I how I plait it. www.hewitonline.com/Linen_Sewing_Thread_50g_skeins_p/sw-060.htm th-cam.com/video/PeFkVhgLfkc/w-d-xo.html All the best, DAS
Hello, as always, I love your videos. This time I wanted to do this binding and your video helped me so much. I wanted to show what I was able to do and ask some questions. www.reddit.com/r/bookbinding/comments/j9gy2e/made_this_criss_cross_binding_of_1984/? I made this copy of 1984 for a friend. The thing is, it’s quite a bit thicker than what you recommended. My question is, what problems would I be expected to encounter? It has 85 sheets and 17 signatures. My other question is if it would be possible to bind a bigger book with this method or why this binding is not suitable for that. Thank you for your time and I will continue to watch your work.
Wow, it turned out way better than I thought. Thanks for the tutorial!
To anyone reading this comment for it to work properly the distance between the holes and the edge on the front and back boards **must be longer** than the width of the spine. Otherwise the covers can't reverse fold properly.
For reference for my book it was 6 sections of 4 sheets to make an A6 book, the spine was 10mm wide, and the thread extended 15mm into the front and back boards.
Thank you for this! Mine wouldn't reverse fold properly and I couldn't figure out why. I thought maybe the tension was too tight.
Always love a sewn book that sits flat. Great tutorial thank you.
Just finished trying this technique as per your guidance, and loved how it turned out! Thanks so much!
It's amazing to know the story behind this technique, great video!
* It was exciting to hear that you also know Sea Lemmon🤭
I enjoy your videos and learn from them, keep it up✨👌😊
Thanks! Sea Lemon was a huge inspiration when I was starting out. All the best, Darryn
This is a coptic binding with a variation for the covers. In reallity, I think this is an upgrade to coptic or, better yet, a cover system that actually protect the 'stiching' of the coptic.
I was looking for a cover system for coptic - I was trying many things myself - and this is it. Maybe there are better systems out there and I still want to invent one myself but this is it.
Also, I need to say I also fan to help counting pages. But I do it without thinking and hearing it, opened my mind to it. Thanks!
I'm gonna see the Sea Lemon version now because she is incredible. I learned a lot from her so I think it's only fair!
BRAVO!
PS: I wish to know the 'creator' variation to see what is different. But I think there are older books with this technique.
Oh, I see you did her version. Put it on the description cause people will get to see more easily! :)
th-cam.com/video/s2qA8RX-UJQ/w-d-xo.html
so excited, it was next on my list! It's like you read my mind ;)
Hi Celine, what are you thinking about for next week, because I need a project! All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding It must be hard to think of new material all the time. How about a Coptic, Japanese Stab or some other exposed spines? Sewing with ribbons. An artist portfolio style book (simple folio protected by boards with a flap) Maybe a piece about your favorite tools, papers and other tips. Hand marbled papers. Fixing common problems on books. How about a grimoire style book for Halloween? Thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us!
Thanks for the ideas. I wish I was that talented to do all these. I do have a video on coptic sewing and a portfolio with flaps. I'm working on a favourite tools video. Don't know how I've made that as hard as I have:) Really wish I could do western marbling. Trying to stay away from restoration - many toes to step on. I am working on a Halloween book. Guess I should get cracking on that. All the best, DAS
Excellent video, as always. I've made one of these in the past, and while they're fun to make and a good beginner project I think they're a solution in need of a problem. I can maybe see them being useful as a sketchbook, since you can fold the cover out of the way, it lies flat-ish (a thinner spine piece would help), and being non-adhesive the pages can be removed and the book refilled once you've drawn on all of them. So I guess I've just answered my own question :p
Certainly a great beginner project, extending skills etc. But also offers lots of creative opportunities for serious binders with more imaginative minds than mine. All the best, Darryn
This bind is beautiful and in my opinion it's pretty easy and inclusive. I like very much your end result
It is a great project for developing skills with sewing, and other foundation skills. But the best part is you don;t need a press or guillotine or other special tools. All the best, Darryn
I have been learning Brasilian Cartonnage and this is my first bookbinding video -- very interesting!!
lovely tutorial. my book turned out really well. :)
recently found your channel.... i just did this project and it came out good for a first ever bookbinding attempt.....you are really great at explaining every step and detail so the project was easy to follow... i will be trying others
All these small veriations and styles can really change the personality of a book
It's made in the same way those "Jacobs Ladder" toys are made! So cool
Fantastic! I love the combination of history and technique. Can't wait to try this!
I had to comment again to say just how much I enjoyed this! Thank you so much!
Fabulous!!!! Like always your videos are amazing! Thank you I shall try to do this one.
Thank you always wanted to try this binding, your video is easy to understand and follow.
Thanks! It was harder to demonstrate than I expected. I was worried all the moving the cover around would make it hard to follow. I was glad I went with the cream thread on black covers. All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding Allow me to throw my thanks on here for a lovely, clear tutorial. The cream on black was genius, and not something that every video maker thinks of to make things easier to see. Worked a charm!
The mathematician and old knot tying boy scout in me is thinking of variations.
= Ribbons instead of cords connecting the cover sections. The ribbons ending on the outside present some complications, or artistic potentials.
- Alternate crisscross patterns making X patterns on the spine.
- A loose leaf variation for attaching folded papers that are easily removed.
Go for it! Maybe enter in the next Society of Bookbinding competition. DAS
this was very interesting as well as informative! tfs!
Brilliant. I'm certainly going to try this method even though I'm just a beginner. I've always wondered what the curved needle was used for.
Fanning the pages to help with counting out the sections! I always get some great tip from your videos. Plus the history of the binding and its variations was interesting.
There is a great bookbinder in Brisbane that fans and twists and can count out 4 sections between his fingers. I guess that is the skill that comes from a trade apprenticeship. DAS
Howdy, this is terrific. I've been wanting to make a book using this binding method for some time. Your explanation is as always perfect. Beautiful binding and book too BTW. I love your work. Thank you so much for sharing. Stay safe.
Thanks for your kind words! Happy binding! Darryn
Most helpful presentation! Subbed. Yay.
thanks for the great video, can't wait to try it :)
Amazing
nice work!
Thanks! DAS
Thank i will try this
Absolutely, give it a go! A great way to expanding binding skills! DAS
This video is just what I was looking for to take my simple bookmaking to the next level. I am curious as to where you got that piece of machinery you use to cut the boards starting around the 3-minute mark.
I made the bench hook. I have a video about making one. Just search bench hook bookbinding. Happy binding!
thank you your video ^^
I had made blue crisscross book bindings
Another great video! Thank you for sharing your talent. Can you please tell me the video for fanning the signatures.
I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean by fanning signatures. Double fan binding uses single sheets not signatures. Is that what you mean? DAS
@@DASBookbinding At the beginning of the video when you were folding the papers the way you were folding them so that they were symmetrical
How the folded pages have a sawtooth look to them so you don’t have to trim them
When using the screw punch, what sized bit did you use? Very helpful videos all!
I think I used the very small 1mm. All the best, Darryn
What holds the spine from being able to be pulled out? Is it just the friction from the surrounding threads that prevents its shifting?
I second this question. Seems like it should be labeled "Ages 5 and up" since an enterprising toddler could pull the spine piece right out. :D I wonder if there's a good variant that attaches that piece more firmly? Oh, and another great vid, btw!
It took me awhile to understand what you meant. I think the comment about the enterprising toddler made it clear. Just went downstairs to the bindery to try it out. It's held very tight, but with some serious effort you could pull it out I think. If it was a real concern you could glue a little tab of matching cover material over the thread that aren't used for sewing on the section. But give it a go and see what you think. Thanks for the smile! DAS
I couldn't imagine the second variant in Anne's book getting pulled out. It's well and truely wrapped. Ciao, DAS
I just tried this and the instructions are great. for some reason one side folded beautifully and the other side was really tight and wouldn't open past about 45deg, any thoughts on where I went wrong?
I find it hard to get the tension in the sewing even. Because it doesn't use a locking knot when going up sections, the tension can even itself out with use. That would be my guess. Good luck! DAS
What is the thickness of the boards that you generally use?
1.6mm or 2.4mm. Less often 1mm and 3mm.
Having tried this style I couldn't fold the cover back when finished. It looks like your holes for the spine binding must be at least as far in from the edge at the width of the spine board. As your spine was less than your 15mm hen you didn't experience this problem.
I thought I mentioned this minimum distance requirement. Sorry if I didn’t.
@@DASBookbinding No worries, it was a useful exercise in understanding the book design, rather than mindlessly following the instructions
Great video as always! I was wondering if it possible to cheat a little bit and sew the signatures together and then attaching them to the cover, instead of sewing one by one directly in the cover. Any thoughts on that?
I think it would end up a bit looser then it already is? But trying things like this is how new bindings and variations are invented! Give it a go! DAS
I think this would also work easily with two or more coloured threads, just skip a hole when moving downwards. Might make the finished book look more interesting.
Yep, it's a very popular option. DAS
I love your videos. This is one that i really want to try as my first binding. My question is about what happens at the 18:30 minute. All of a sudden it looks like you are unfolding or opening the spine of the book. Of course i know that the spine is a single piece so it can't be unfolded. I think I am missing something. I have watched that part a 100 times and it just confuses me. Anyways, I am going to try it. Keep up the good work
It's just a little trick or feature of this type of book that the front cover can fold all the way to the back. For the sewing of the sections to the cover it is just a bit more convenient to have the front cover out of the way and thus I use this feature to fold it to the back at this point. The best way to understand how it is possible is to make one. For your first try, just do a trial run, and don't much around covering the boards. Just get some cardboard, punch some holes and try sewing them together using whatever thread you have. One test run will make all the difference to your actual first book. Good luck! Darryn
how does the spine stay in place?
Friction. Make one and you'll see, it would be hard to pull the spine out.
Hey, quick question: I notice you always use an awl to punch through signatures. What is the advantage of using an awl over lining up all of the signatures and sawing a narrow line across the back (e.g. with a jewelry saw)?
The awl doesn't remove materials, it just pushes it to the side, and the resulting hole is much smaller. Not in this binding, but in others you can then close the hole back up after sewing with a bone folder. Sawing in was common in trade binding because it was fast. It still has its use. I often saw in the kettle stitch locations so there is a groove for the kettle stitches to sit in making the back smoother. Just be careful to only saw in just enough. Also for sunken cords the sewing locations have to be sawn in. I would not recommend it for this binding because the sawn holes would be very obvious. All the best, DAS
@@DASBookbinding Thanks for the detailed answer!
Hi Darryn, Do you know of a source for Anne Goy's book in English?
I think there is only one version and it is both French and English. I've put it on my to-do list to check and update the description int he videos with link. Ciao, DAS
Where do you get that thread bundled in that way?
It's linen in a skein that I plait. I get it from Hewits and I have a video on I how I plait it.
www.hewitonline.com/Linen_Sewing_Thread_50g_skeins_p/sw-060.htm
th-cam.com/video/PeFkVhgLfkc/w-d-xo.html
All the best, DAS
@@DASBookbinding would you be willing to sell me one
@@kellykagoshima6963 Always happy to sell something. Send me a message at darryn@dasbookbinding.com and we can work out the best option for you. DAS
Sea Lemon! You guys all know each other through this platform??
Bookbinding is a small community. DAS
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Hello, as always, I love your videos. This time I wanted to do this binding and your video helped me so much. I wanted to show what I was able to do and ask some questions.
www.reddit.com/r/bookbinding/comments/j9gy2e/made_this_criss_cross_binding_of_1984/?
I made this copy of 1984 for a friend. The thing is, it’s quite a bit thicker than what you recommended. My question is, what problems would I be expected to encounter? It has 85 sheets and 17 signatures. My other question is if it would be possible to bind a bigger book with this method or why this binding is not suitable for that. Thank you for your time and I will continue to watch your work.
loved the video, don't like that binding though, it looks ugly to me.
That's probably my fault, not the structure - lack of artistic skills. I've seen some really beautiful ones. DAS