Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@StarForceOne YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT... IF what Moff Gideon said about beating someone by killing them to WIN the Dark Saber to be the rightful Ruler of Mandalore, AND Moff Gideon got it from Bo Katan, then... WHY IS BO KATAN STILL ALIVE?!?! Moff Gideon said YIELDING does NOT COUNT... but clearly... BO KATAN was not KILLED by him TO EARN THE DARK SABER?!?! AND #MoffGideon WAS an OUTSIDER TOO!! Just like MAUL was!
@Patrickrolled he also promised grogu that they will meet again which also would mean that he has interests at being the leader and also join bo katan's efforts or now literally his efforts.he had a deal with bo katan.
I honestly really liked that scene. Bo'Katan looks at Mando's culture as dated and not what Mandalorian needs, yet Mando sees something as trivial as earning something through combat just as low. I'll be curious how much that changes her view on what is a tradition similar to the helmet thing for Mando.
Boba has moved on from that. It would have been awesome if Boba was there though. Just imagine. Luke looks around the room and notices a familiar face. It then cuts to Boba as he stares at Luke. He tilts his head slightly and gives a nod of respect. Boba Fett - “Skywalker.” Luke gives a slight smile and returns the nod.
@@spencer9095 They were scared out of their minds. One dark trooper sneeezed at Mando and had he not been wearing beskar armor, he would be a bloodstain on the wall.
Recent dark saber history: Sabine plucked it off the ground. She is not a worthy wielder. Then Sabine fought someone for possession of it In one on one combat and won, making her worthy. Bo was not worthy, so she refused. Then the clans rallied on her and she was worthy of ruling, and accepted the symbolic blade to boot. Wishy washy here, but Gideon takes the dark saber and purges mandalore, proving that Bo was not a strong enough leader to save her people and not strong enough a warrior to keep the blade. She is no longer worthy. Now Din has reclaimed the blade for the mandalorians in one on one combat, making him worthy by rule of that combat ritual. Bo however no longer has any claim whatsoever to being worthy of the dark saber because of her failings. Defeating the weilder in one on one ritual combat is the only option left for her after the disgrace that fell the mandalorians under her rule
I would actually like to talk ab this Bc I’m confused and not the most knowledgeable on canon ect Ik more ab the movies than the cartoons but here’s my theory. Bo didn’t earn it the right way that means neither did moff Gideon Bc he took it from her which means neither did mando. So if nobody ever beat maul to earn the saber that means it belonged to maul the whole time and obi-wan is the one who ended up defeating maul which would put the rightful possession to obi-wan but than Obi-Wan gave himself to the force technically he was defeated by nobody not even Vader Bc Vader didn’t kill him or beat him Obi-wan just disappeared to the force. Which leads me to my point which is I think that the cartoons created a loop hole that they didn’t mean to make and I think they’re trying to rewrite it with the mando series to fix the obvious loop hole Bc that would mean nobody is the rightful possessor of the dark saber for the rest of time. Again I’m not the most knowledgeable so if there’s something that you know that I said wrong or didn’t get right plz tell me
@@DiamondSquidy sounds right if we are tracking who earned the blade by combat, but Bo was the sister to the now dead dutchess Satine, ruler of Mandalore, so Bo has a royal claim to the throne. However, now that Din has the dark saber he has a warrior's claim to the throne. Then there's a thing in the comics where technically Boba Fett also has an inherited claim to leadership, but that comes from Jango whose band of mandos he lead were killed by Jedi, so Boba doesn't have any people to lead... Basically, if we follow who was defeated in one on one combat for the saber, nobody is Mandalore. If we follow royal blood, Bo Katan is Mandalore. If we overlook some of the wishy washy stuff and just look at current ritual combat for the saber, Din Djarin is Mandalore. I don't think anyone knows for sure who will rule, but in my opinion I think Din should help Bo Katan unite Mandalorian clans as well as the Children of the Watch together and restore the mandalorian people once more, as the new Mandalore. That'd be cool, and he'd be the first mandalore to have a strong connection to the Jedi order, which is also being restored right now.
@@tylerbradfield9981 so pretty much what your saying is to sum it up is that it can go a number of different ways. Which brings me back to my theory that I think Jon favreau is going to re-write the story line with help from George Lucas to plug in the pot holes from the cartoons and give mando the dark saber and have him be the ruler of mandolore Bc he’s already made it obvious that in order for Bo to lead she has to fight Din Bc the one who wields the dark saber is the true Heir to the throne to mandalore Bc they said that Din is now the rightful owner of the saber which doesn’t line up with the story of the saber Bc it would rlly go to obiwan and that means since Din is the rightful owner they’re re writing the story. So do you think that’s possible?
@@DiamondSquidy for all narrative purposes, I think the dark saber is getting the reset button. For canon purposes, I think they will keep the existing story but clarify why Din is the ruler rather than obi wan. Kinda like how it was confusing that mandalorians couldn't take off their helmets turned out to be a decent explanation I think we'll get one here to explain away that plot hole. Also note that in the finale Gideon said stuff about the "story" of the blade giving it power, not just the sword. The sword isn't the actual tool to decide who rules, just because Maul had the saber for all those years if he crawled out of his hole wielding it not everyone would think his rule is legitimate, especially because he is not mandalorian. But if a mandalorian battles the man in charge of the purge of mandalore (which stripped the mandalorians of their planet, riches, and symbol for power) and wins back the blade of Mandalore... that's a compelling "story" that seems worthy of a lofty title like Mandalore. So basically I don't think anything will be ret-conned I think the writers have what they need to make this make sense Also, maul was once ruler of mandalore, but was dethroned by clones before he ran off. So did he run off with the mantle as well as the sword? Or just the sword? I think that he lost the title but still had the sword and the saber was no longer "in play." When the sword is in the possession of an unworthy it is not in play until that person proves themself to mandalorian people and tradition. For Sabine in the cartoon she scraped it off the ground but was not acknowledged until she defeated a contender in one on one combat, then the symbol meant she was worthy, at least somewhat, some still doubted her I think. Later Gideon stole the blade (I don't think he could've won it) and Bo lost her title because of the disgrace of the purge and with the splintering of all the clans. However, Gideon didn't claim the throne, but he still had the sword. When Din defeated him it follows that the sword is now in play and Din is worthy pending any contenders for rights to the saber and the throne.
@@tylerbradfield9981 I like that theory that’s rlly rlly good narratively good they rlly are starting to get like a MCU level star wars show and it’s honestly started to spark my rise of attention to star wars after these last movies but I heard of them doing new better trilogies
Sidious defeated maul before Ahsoka, and even killed savage so technically Sidious was the ultimate owner of the saber, then in ep. 3 windu defeated palpatine and anakin (kind off) defeated windu, so tecnically, vader was the ruler of mandalore and even if we say that ahsoka defeated maul first and earned the saber it is pretty clear that vader would have killed her if it wasnt because of ezra so, vader was the ultimate owner of the darksaber, and then on ep.6 he (intentionally) lost against luke making his son the ultimate leader and since luke didnt got killed but rather died peacefully on a rock, the sabers owner remains a mystery. So, in conclusion, either way Vader was the rightfull owner of the dark saber but he didnt knew
@@jploz4092 He didn't, actually. Granted he whooped some Dathomirian ass that day, but he fought TWO Zabraks the rule of Mandalore's Darksaber is single combat. Which Ahsoka does, granted the Grand Army strings him up, but she beat him.
Bo- Katan seems like a poor leader. During the Clone wars she seemed deserving, but in Mando and Rebels she seems pretty weak and undeserving compared to Mando and Sabine
I would argue she didn't even seem that deserving in Clone Wars - Maul and Visla were cooperating just fine until Visla betrayed him during their operation to suade the people of Mandalore to their side; Maul escaped and challenged Visla to an honourable duel, which Visla accepted - during that fight, Maul never even used the force against Visla. Then, when Maul wins and rightfully claims the Darksaber and by extension the throne, Bo calls him and the mandalorians who honor tradition traitors, despite Visla's own last words 'Only the strongest shall rule'.
She seems to make a good second such as the role she filled in Deathwatch with Visla leading. She can take care of the down and dirty details while someone else leads, but she seems to be completely out of her element at the top of the ladder.
The difference was, in Clone wars she only wished to follow. The ambition or perceived right to lead all too often causes people to become extremely poor leaders. Leadership is not a right, it is a duty. This is likely why, in Mandalorian Culture, it must be won and is not simply passed down through family lines. One must show they have the strength to shoulder that burden. Of course, over time it became more of a "prove I'm the biggest and strongest arsehole around" with people like Pre Vizla and Maul (no disrespect to Maul, one of if not my absolute favourite character in the franchise, but he is a total dick at that point, if not always). I feel that the "Children of the Watch", or perhaps only the covert seemingly lead, at least spiritually, by the Armorer, are trying to bring the Mandalorians back to their roots as honourable warriors of a Creed, like Din, rather than zealous entitled nationalists, like Bo (perhaps I'm being a bit harsh on her but eh).
Yeah I mean she was cool in Clone War, OK in Rebels, but terrible in Mandalorian She’s gonna become protagonist turned antagonist in Season 3 just you wait
She just seems to want the power because. I don’t see her even wanting to unite the clans, just assume leadership in the vain hope no one will complain. And so the circle continues.....
I think the reason that you must now earn the Darksaber in battle to rule has to do with the propaganda aspect of Bo'Katans campaign against the empire. When she united the Clans she basically said "Look I have the Darksaber that means I'm strong and worthy" but then she lost the blade to Gideon and that showed weakness puting her her worthiness into question. By geting the blade back by any other means than winning it back, would only feed the doubt. Keep in mind that there is much rivalry between the Mandalorian clans and Bo-Katan would be risking alot if she tried get them all to follow her again with out proving that she was truly worthy. That is why I think she didn't accept the blade from Mando.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture, In the clone wars season 5 episode 16!
@@EshominSure that is a cool way to see it, but Darth Sidious didn't care about Mandalore. He used Darth Maul to draw out his mother Talizin. You see the nightsister was as powerful as Sidious in the darkside and thus he feard her.
@@erikpersson2365 here is a better statement. Lol "Palpatine is technically the holder of the Darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore. He spared his life for 'other uses'. It could have been to rule Mandalore and destroy it from the inside out. Let's not forget the bigger picture because remember Din doesn't even care about the Darksaber and doesn't even want anything to do with Mandalore calling it 'cursed'. I also believe this why Mandalore was destroyed and The Mandalorians are divided. This is how Palpatine maintains control in Mandalorian Space. The Darksaber serves him for that purpose, because no one knows of Maul's defeat on Mandalore so therefore Maul was a puppet under Palpatine, regardless the Republic had gained control and order by the end of The Clones Wars, which turned Empire. 🤔"
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
Results are everything. Under her rule mandalorians were slaughtered almost into oblivion and the planet under her protection got drained of its valuable resources, and thus is unfit to rule.
@@RodgerSkelton but he doesn’t want it, nor what it represents. Let’s see his development throughout season 3, maybe he’ll become the leader who brings Mandalore back to its feet during the new republic era.
@@RodgerSkelton my thoughts exactly. It would feel weird if the season began with Din as the Mandalorian leader. So, if they decide to take on that route, I expect some heavy character development for Din during season 3.
She didn’t trust him to begin with. Pre vizsla did. “It’s a risk trusting those two. How do we know they’ll uphold their end of the bargain?”- Bo katan
Maul didn't swear to any Mandalorian Creed. So he had no right to rule over Mandalorians in Bo katan's eyes. An "outsider". But Dynn is a Mando, so he has a right.
“Jon Favreau says Season 3 will be going in a direction similar to Game of Thrones” I really hope that means clans and not killing off fan favorites for no reason
"Lol he hides his face behind a mask, what a dumb religious zealot." "Nooo I can't be the leader unless I defeat the previous holder of some sword in combat!!!!"
@@hellothereh3539 I thought Mano was part of death watch and bo was part of the night owls? I dont remember to well I havent watched the clone wars in a while
It's pretty simple, she was handed the darksaber the first time, then she lost it,she has already lost her credibility, if she is handed it again, well, she won't be respected.
Also the leftover mandos would love mando's story of coming into power defeating a moff who claimed the darksaber that killed off a big amount of the bounty hunter mandos lived after meeting 2 jedi while bo Kotans story would be like oh well I had this handed to me after that guy did the work for me
@@kaisac. Bo Katan has far more of a story than Mando does right as of this moment and could defeat him in combat and take the darksaber away from him if she wanted to. Even with the Darksabers, Mandalorians would be hesitant to follow Din because he doesn't have any real achievements. Gideon is not only an outsider but he isn't a great warrior so defeating him means almost nothing to them.
@@KanekiKen-fc3qo idk i think being able to get the darksaber their own leader wasn't able to get back is a big achievement and im assuming Gideon had to have beaten bo kotan to get the darksaber or atleast outsmarted her so I do think its a big deal mando beat him and like I said he's also a moff that seemed pretty feared
Bo-Katan isn't worthy. She never was. Every time she's fought for Mandalore she's lost and lost big. She's a cool character and she's come along way from her power hungry days. But she just doesn't have it.
Yes she needed help of the main enemy of the Mandalorians to take back Mandalore. Before that she had fun burning Villegas and killing random unarmed people. She didn’t excepted Maul as new leader of mandalore even if he had won a duel against the old leader and earned the title. She needed help from Mando to get the weapons she wanted, but later she first refused to help him too and later only helped him because she wanted the dark saber. She has no honor, give a f... on the way of the Mandalorians and is weak. She’s not even worthy the title of a Mandalorian. And she later offended Boba even thought he is way stronger and has more honor than her
@@manueinsnoob6558 yea and why is boba fett not a mandlorian for her? Ok he is a clone but was raised likea normal boy with mandalorian traditions I guess.
@@skelling5991 yes and he would defeat most Mandalorians in a battle. And he has way more honor than much of them. I mean look at Sabines mother who shot the enemy of her daugther during a duel. That’s just poor. It seems like most of the Mandalorians forgot their ways
He has held his own in combat, he has honor, he protects innocent people and tries to bring his bounties in alive, Bo Katan working with Mando rather than fighting him is one of the best things she could have done in that moment. Since he's willing to work with other clans but already a member of deathwatch, winning that one duel could eventually unify all the clans. If she killed him, the clans would only fight each other for the blade until there was nobody left. Bo Katan is truly like her sister even though she likes to be tough. (Plus since mando removed his helmet deathwatch could try to kill him on a technicality anyways.)
@@kiter. I know. You think they would take her seriously if she won it in a non life staking spar with her ally though? Bo could still double cross him, but attacking him in that moment would have doomed the clans to fight each other until they wiped themselves out entirely because it would show they couldnt even trust each other. Its important to have allies when you are rebuilding your whole culture from the ground up too and Mando helped her beat a moff and get the ship she needed as agreed.
@@SMD2x That fight could happen at any point and still have so many factors we wouldn't be able to tell for sure who would win an outright fight: he could be fully stocked and ready to fight in a formal duel, or he could just turn around with his helmet off in the next episode and get blasted in the face. He might have experience, but you're talking about fighting the actual royalty left from Mandalore that also outranked him in deathwatch, the training and experience she has already is enough to make her a threat in any fight. The point is that if the best of the Mandalorians keep fighting amongst themselves, the hope of restoring their people will be gone forever. Why do you think Gideon was so happy to toss the Darksaber over to Mando in front of Bo Katan? No sorry, I have higher hopes than them fighting for this series. The Clans will be restored, Boba will lead the new syndicates with a beskar fist, Luke will train Grogu before Kylo destroys his enclave. New series and developments will eventually lead to us seeing the liberation of all Imperial occupied planets AND the creation of the Alliance fleet for Exegol. Later all that will stem into new shows and movies when fans are unanimously prepared to move past the skywalker legacy.
Anybody consider that the moff, being the forward thinker that he is, planned his loss knowing that it would pit mando and bo against each other causing the attack to fail and giving him a chance to escape?
Most definitely. He wasn't there to stop Grogu from being taken. He already got enough blood from him, so he was there to cause a rift between the two groups.
If a group of people with a common enemy team up the first thing to usually do is find ways to pit them against eachother through tactics like that, especially since it was kinda a 1 time alliance at the time and they weren’t true allies.
@@MrDude826 I have predicted mando getting the dark saber the first time it was mentioned in the show, and I was hoping he was gonna get. And I'm glad too see it
actually, it would make sense. The difference between this situation with Din and the other with Sabine is that Sabine didn't fight to gain ownership of the Darksaber, technically not making it hers to own, unlike Din, who won through single combat.
The problem with this is that it satisfies the 'letter of the law', but not the 'spirit of the law'. The *reasons* for why the law or rule exists in the first place. Anyone accepting it as a gift or due to yielding or 'throwing' the contest could not be seen as legitimate, at least not by all Mandolorians.. and if you can't unite them, then the whole thing is moot.
They probably don't honor that either. Its probably gotta be a full on battle with both opponents giving it their all in order for other mandalorians to truly respect the winner.
The armorer will be back in season 3 and it will be a struggle between the cultists, bo katan, and the rogue clans of mandalor with the mando trying to decide what the right way is.
oh i know what mando can do...he can Make Bo Katan a Trusty Right Hand Steward Of Mandalore and the Keeper of the Dark Saber while Mando is away from the Planet
Maybe she should have actually specifically explained the arcane 1v1 combat requirement to Din instead of leaving at "remember everyone, gideon is mine" she isn't worthy, she never was
@@gunmetalgrey7103 lmao what? That bitch has been flawed since her debut. Literally all of her crimes are just forgotten. Which include: kidnapping teenagers from a village full of peaceful people, MURDERING SAID PEOPLE, betraying a business partner instead of making a compromise, overthrowing and killing the previous ruler of Mandalore aka her sister. (There is no difference who did the final blow, Vizsla said countless times he's going to kill Satine and Bo doesn't suggest otherwise) Literally starts a civil war because Mandalorian tradition means jack shit to her until its convenient for herself. Dude come on, she's always been a poorly written character and thats not even half the stuff she did
I like how people can forgive Vader for all the suffering he’s caused on numerous worlds from just one scene but still hold Bo accountable for past actions despite more or less turning over a new leaf. Trying to save her sister, freeing obi wan, enlisting the help of the republic to liberate Mandalore etc
@@neofulcrum5013 uh... nobody forgives Vader for the stuff he did. Not in universe, not out universe. The one scene was just the fans rooting for him to rise up against his master in order to save his son and to free himself from Slavery. What has Bo done? "Turned over a new leaf by freeing her sister" yeah who put her in Jail to begin with again??? "Bringing the Republic to 'liberate' Mandalore" you mean a terrorist convincing a foreign power to ignore neutrality, invade the planet unprovoked for a regime change? Not to mention that doing that liiterally allowed the Empire to dominate the whole planet from the beginning of the Imperial era?
@@neofulcrum5013 Vader did bring suffer to the worlds in order to ensure security and prosperity for the new, galactic empire. While Bo was just trying to get the power for herself (even so, i like her alot:)
I think this just sets up S3 perfectly. I expect S3 to focus more on the Mandalorian culture. Prior to the announcement of Ahsoka's series, I thought it could also include her quest to find Thrawn (and maybe Ezra) but now that she has her series I figure her story will be focused on finding Thrawn so if Mandalorian S3 can focus on just one major story, it becomes so much better already because it has a lot of time to delve deeper into their culture.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@jawed4106 and Vader is dead, meaning leadership (along with the Darksaber) is up for grabs. Din is now Mandalore the Reluctant or he might be called Mandalore the Zealot/Believer.
@@ioandascalu8533 yes I agree, but in this timeline, and yeah you see where this is now leading, rey defeated palpatine so it would be hers and she is empress without even knowing it, the dumbest "mary sue" yet lol jk i can dig it
He did NOT get reunited with his kind he simply found a jedi teacher. Grogu was named a foundling, in Mandalorian society he never loses that title. Until they day he dies he is of clan Mudhorn.
The tragedy is there will be multiple tv shows boba, asoka,kenobi etc. but ultimately all the storylines will converge into The Force Awakens.... All these are time pass and money making scam.... Star Wars started with Anakin and ended with him without promise of resurrection...
@@bkaustav I think that Disney was interested in Star Wars, just not interested in The Star Wars. They wanted to put that saga to bed and focus on other things.
@@dinglerofl4784 So? It doesn't matter, because Moff Gideon took the Lightsaber from Bo Katan. It is clear he didn't won the lightsaber because not only Bo Katan Lives, she still claims the Darksaber as hers and based on his skills he couldn't defeat Bo. Similar to how Gar Saxon took it from Sabine, Moff Gideon took it from Bo.
@@MegaAgamon according to mandalorian tradition the darksaber must be won in single combat, stealling it presents an illegitimate claim to the mandalorian throne, anything that happened after it was won, ie people stealing it, didnt affect the claim to the throne
So, as Dumbledore had the Darksaber and Malfoy actually disarmed Dumbledore, when Snape gave the Darksaber to Valdermort he had to kill him and then he became unworthy to wield Mjonir and Betsy Ross got it. See!
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
I always theorized that "The Mandalorian" is the story of how Din Jarin became King of Mandalore and united "The Mandalorians"....I can see Bo Katan perhaps become his first general or maybe even Queen.
Technically they don't have a king despite there being a throne, they just have the strongest rule so Din would become just the leader of mandalorian or Mand'alor
Most people in the comment already have the answers if you think about, the rules never applied. You just need to own the dark saber to unite the mandalore and then someone else could claim your place by challenging you. Moff Gideon isn't some off written character to be a anatagonist for the plot, he is indeed a smart individual. Imagine someone gives you a powerful sword, a sword that unites others mind you, and have that taken from you utterly defeats your pride and at that point are you even worthy? As @Arthur Cavazos mentioned, I would kick myself to til i bleed every last drop if i was Bo infact i wouldnt be able to sleep at night. That is why SHE wanted to defeat Moff Gideon and why she wanted him to surrender to her. It isn't some petty contest that we thought she had, it was her pride, she needs to prove herself worthy and having that pride stolen from her really builds the plot. No matter what plot holes you think this has, Dave Filoni never and I say NEVER let's the fans down. He is able to fix the entire trilogy and Ahsoka's character, I am sure he's cooking something tasty in the kitchen anyways good analysis otherwise!
She doesn't know Mando; she seems to despise Children of the Watch, so likely sees him as an adversary. Accepting the blade from him would legitimize the Children and their philosophy; another division among a scattered people. If she takes the blade from him in battle, then the proper forms are observed and the Children would see their chance for power erased.
I wonder how the Children will come back. Maybe they might reinforce Din’s position as ruler and start a war against Bo against Din’s wishes ( the game of thrones type storyline)
Which is a partial explanation for why Bo-Kata refers to Din's splinter group of Mandalorians as "a cult". They have to control the information their foundlings get, in order to maintain their dream designs for Mandalorians.
@@donaldwatson7698 I hope it gets explored further. I like the idea of various mandalorian sects. I guess Din's group doesn't value dark saber as a sign of power (as they obey the old old ways) rather like various judeo-christians view the meaning of cross differently (very important to catholics, not so important to mormons for example)
Because Sabine didn’t earn it and Darth Maul was already dead. She had no claim to it and who did was dead. So the Darksaber was free for Sabine to give.
Gideon effectively won a duel against every mando, which makes him worthy by default, Maul rightfully won it from Visla, but Bo couldn’t accept that even tho she’d later take it without honouring the tradition of the blade when receiving the sabre from Sabine (who also had a faulty claim on the blade). At the end of the day it’s just an old and oddly made lightsaber, allegedly taken from an ancient Jedi, and therefore holds no power over the mandos beyond its story (as Gideon says)
@@dondon5011 nah, I think that the fact, maul escaped, renders the claim invalid, since neither followed the fair fight covenant when fighting, they weren't even fighting for right to rule. Also undertaking the fact that at the end asoka, used clones to incapacitate maul, is the deal breaker.
@@dondon5011 depends on who’s telling the story at the end of the day, right now there’s various layers of misinformation to legitimize many different characters claim’s, but to us omniscient viewers of the SW galaxy... yes
6:52 "Season 3 of the Mandalorian will be going in a similar direction to Games of Thrones..." Oh no! Is Din Djarin going to have his head crush bare hand?
The only reason Dinn didn't want to rule was because at that exact moment Luke hadn't swooped down and used his hot knife to cut down the butter troopers. And now that the kids finally out of his hands where he feels safe I don't think he'll have any qualms about leading. I feel like it's his destiny amirite?
He does not care about Mandalore anymore. He said more than once it was a lost cause to take back the barren planet. His cult were clearly outcasts so he likely has a severe dislike for those who considered them outcasts.
I personally believe that Bo-Katan was able to recieve the Darksaber from Sabine due to all of Mandalore supporting the shift in ownership. Even though she never won the saber from Sabine, the rest of Mandalore agreed that the gift was fine, seeing Bo-Katan as a true leader, and the right leader for Mandalore.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin Isn't palpatine dead at this point? I don't believe he's gotten cloned by this point. Besides, since it was Darth Vader who killed palpatine in the first place, Darth Vader would be the holder. Which creates a dilemma since, Vader dies later on because of Palpatine.
@@Matt-zq8cz palpatine was not defeated in combat with the Darksaber, and he wasnt totally destroyed. And luke was defeated anakin before he threw him into the shaft
@@Eshomin Does it state that the person must be defeated while holding the Dark Saber to claim it? Or that they must simply be defeated in combat? And I suppose that would be true regarding Luke. However, should that be the case, when Luke tried to kill kylo. Kylo brought the building down on Luke, and seemly knocked him unconcious while he went on a murder spree. So now, kylo is the holder, until Rey defeats him. Then palps defeats her for a few minutes, then rey kills him. Soo, I suppose, by all accounts, Rey is the true holder on the Dark Saber. And well, that would just further her role as a Mary Sue.
I posed this question in 3 separate Star Wars lore channel threads and nobody seems to have wanted to address it. Thanks for setting the record straight
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose." - Wrong franchise, but still relevant. I hardly think Bo-Katan can be blamed for the imperials bombarding Mandalore.
She may not have united all of Mandalorians under her rule because she did not earn the dark saber by combat. Keep in mind the Mandalorian clans that joined her in Rebels were already loyal to her but the ones who did not attend that day most likely questioned her leadership and did not follow her because she did not follow the tradition of earning the Dark Saber. This most likely lead to a huge divide within the Mandalorian ranks simply because certain clans did not see Bo-katan as a worthy leader or due to how she did not properly earn her position as leader through traditions.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin exactly. Ppl keep crying about “the winner is the true holder blah blah blah” if that’s the case why has the saber been going around from theft? Why is bo Katan alive if she “rightfully” lost the saber?
@@Scottsshow ? But no one have been following “set rules”. Are you not listening? It’s now that all of a sudden that they want to follow it? Technically. She needs to go and find the emperor, IF we are still to follow set rules.
@@YC-tx3di at this point he is dead and not yet cloned or at the least considered dead and sense Asoka would be the rightful ruler. Thought it seems she really doesn’t care for it so it would go any one who last bet Asoka which theoretically would be Vader then Luke.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
Din would be a great leader for mandalore and I really he does become the leader. He’s very honorable and has a lot of respect form almost every character on the show. Also this is his show
I think that he has the charictaristics of a good leader. Loyal, honorable, open minded, and he regards people by merit, not association. He developed a lot in his time with the child, which suggests he is able to appropriately adjust as he learns new things. Most importantly, he doesnt want to command people, he wants to protect them. A true leader serves the people he leads. They dont follow him because he demands it, but because they trust him enough to put their lives in his hands. So, in my opinion, he would make an excellent Mandalore.
I believe your theory that is correct about how she feels she has to earn it this time. Because she was always so focused on finding gideon. And she made it clear that by saying “Gideon is mine”. This time she wants to earn it, she wanted to fight moff gideon.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
Gideon is still alive so the fight between him and Din isn't over ... technically seen! The fight is only sort of "paused". So Bo-Katan could take off Gideons handcuffs and they will have a fight to the death on the birdge. But according to the title of the series I personally think Bo-Katan sort of accepts Din as the rightful owner of the darksabre (for now). Din is mandalorian, he follows the mandalorian way and is respected (more or less) by Bo-Katan and the other mandals. So after the task/mission to unite Grogu with the Jedi the next goal for the new season(s) possibly is to take back their homeplanet.
You clearly didn't watch the video or the episode. Fighting Gideon now accomplishes nothing, he's no longer the owner of the Darksaber. Gideon is being taken to the New Republic and will likely be imprisoned, unless he is rescued.
@@Indyday Says the guy who can barely speak English apparently. Defeated means the fight has stopped with you no longer in a position to fight. Or have given up.
I think there is a hint in what Bo-Katan said that people didn't unite behind her because she didn't earn it. She said something like, if people would have fought this hard they wouldn't have lost their planet. Well, if she had the key to uniting the planet they should have been fighting hard. So why didn't they? Unless, they didn't follow her. I think Sabine did earn it the second time. And it doesn't matter if along the way someone didn't, as long as they are defeated in combat the new holder is the rightful ruler. When it was given to Bo-Katan she was not and people didn't follow her.
yes, mandalorians are a divisive bunch and Bo is rather like modern-minded Peter the Great was to the conservative russians. She was young and step on many toes and now is too tired to fight against the current. So that's why she wants to fight even if she did think it was wrong when Maul won the sword that way and if that's the way she gets to rule again she is willing to yield her beliefs.
You are forgetting that the first time Sabine met Bo-Katan, she didn’t take it, it was when all the clan declared her Mandalore when she took it, I think that the rules are you are Either declare Mandalore by all the clans and then you have the right to the saber, or you take the saber in battle and therefore have a claim to the title of Mandalore
Finally a reason that makes sense. Everything else I've seen has either been that Sabine and Bo Katan are in the same clan (which they aren't) so they could pass it peacefully, or how Sabine was never the rightful owner since she never earned it in battle, but she won it from Gar Saxon. This theory actually makes a ton of sense.
@@Mailed-Knight You just commented something completely unrelated with no context, and you won't explain? I'm assuming you're saying Sabine and Bo Katan are in the same house? Clan Kryze is House Kryze not House Visla
When sabine had the blade maul was still alive and still had a right to the throne of mandalore, yet when din won the blade from moff gideon maul was already dead so the darksaber had no rightful owner. There for din won the blade when there was no conflicting claim to the master of the blade and is therefore the rightful owner unlike a thief like sabine.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@mushudragonusa2014 Interesting, remember Din doesn't care about the Darksaber and he doesnt even want it. Lol "this is the way!" I also believe this why Mandalore was destroyed and The Mandalorians are divided. This is how Palpatine maintains control in Mandalorian Space. The Darksaber serves him for that purpose, because no one knows of Maul's defeat on Mandalore so therefore he is a puppet under Palpatine, regardless the Republic gained control and order at the end of The Clones Wars, then turned Empire. 🤔
I feel like because 1 Sabine didn’t beat Maul she found it and 2 I think she realized her mistake in taking it without earning it and wanted to do things differently this time plus she might want to earn it as penance for the Great Purge
I like your analysis most of all the videos I've seen. Combat is not the only requirement, honor and deserving to be leader are also elements. However, as far as combat goes, I don't even think it has to be one to one. It certainly is one way, but it is never said to be the only way. Gideon states "it must be won in battle." If Gideon's forces defeated Bo Katan's forces, the victorious leader has defeated the other in battle. Bo Katan clearly acknowledges Gideon's claim to the saber if she feels she must defeat him to deserve it.
So does this mean at the end when Mado told the child " I'll see you again" was a lie due to after he left with Luke Bo-Katan would be killing Mando to take the darksaber? If that is the case, that ending got much darker. If they wanted a good scene done right when it was done wrong in the movies this would be the perfect place for Mando to turn away from Bo-Katan and toss the saber over his shoulder ( to the side, or at Bo-katan feet) and walk away, showing he has no interest at all.
All her cared about was getting the kid. He told her three times to take it, and she refused, at that point I surprised he didn't toss it, or place it on the terminal never by and just walk out.
She is struggling inside. She wants to regain her honor for losing her right to the throne, but she doubts her ability to rule, especially after losing it. On the other hand, Din is a hardened and zealous Mandalorian, who maintains the strictest traditions and honors her culture in a way she even considers outdated. If anyone can unite the clans, it would be him. She'd rather be the power behind a fully united Mandalore, than a weak and limping princess trying to convince a bunch of other Mandalorians she is worthy of it again, especially when Mandalore isn't a culture based on bloodline but strength. Plus, we need another season! The kid just went away, but this TV series is a freaking money maker!
Maul won the throne by force, paying the iron price for the Darksaber. Bo-Katan got the saber as a gift from Sabine, meaning that she didn't pay any price for gaining the sword. Maybe the reason why other Mandalorians like the Children of the Watch seceded from her rule was because she didn't win her right to rule fairly (she was appointed by Ahsoka to be the new Mandalore, then the Darksaber was given to her by Sabine Wren) and they saw her as a pretender. So she wanted to take the Darksaber by force from Moff Gideon to prove to the rest of the Mandos that she can win her right to rule on her own, without others giving it to her. It's also probably why she doesn't want to take it from Din peacefully because it would be a repeat of what happened before.
Plot twist: Jon Favreau was waiting for you to make this video... I remembered why Bo Katan wasn't my favorite character half way through the episode she appeared in S2. She isn't the nicest, and she sometimes has an ulterior motive. As such, I think the reason why she didn't just accept the blade was because she wants to kick Mando's butt, and that might be within her personality/character.
Nope. Ahsoka defeated Maul during the Battle of Mandalore in 19 BBY, before Obi-Wan killed Maul on Tatooine in about 2 BBY. So theoretically Ahsoka would be Mand'alor, but Maul hadn't have the Darksaber with him that day, so she didn't actually win it.
{Maul -> Obi Wan -> Darth Vader -> Luke Skywalker (Defeated him in single combat)} So technically speaking, in that finale, Luke coulda yoinked that away from Din Jarin
I love the idea that she feels bending tradition led her to losing Mandalor and she can’t risk that mistake again. Especially since the one offering it to her held to “the old ways” of not removing his helmet. Kind of Jedi-ish: We bent the rules on training Jedi in the past and ruined everything, not making the same mistake with Luke/Grogu
😭 my mom said is she wants to be a ruler of Mandalore all she has to do is marry din so she’s queen cause as of now he’s technically king 😂😂 and I was like ewww
that's a very well thought out theory. seems like maybe it would have been a good idea for her to mention that to the mandalorian BEFORE he engaged gideon.
I think it’s because Sabine knew everything about the Darksaber so Bo-Katan trusted her and her decision to give it to her but Mando knew nothing, so she doesn’t know if he’s making the right decision of giving it to her.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin then palpatine was killed by the reactor shaft in the 2nd death star then lando blew up the 2nd death star so lando is the rightful owner of the saber
Good thing this video came up cause even I thought it Maul did it the actual way, challenged the wielder/leader, leader accepts it, maul wins and claims it as his own rightfully
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Is she dead? I hate that no one addressed her getting shot.
I don't think so but she was down for the count all ending and no one acknowledge her being wounded/shit which created confusion
leader of the wrong time.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@StarForceOne YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT... IF what Moff Gideon said about beating someone by killing them to WIN the Dark Saber to be the rightful Ruler of Mandalore, AND Moff Gideon got it from Bo Katan, then... WHY IS BO KATAN STILL ALIVE?!?! Moff Gideon said YIELDING does NOT COUNT... but clearly... BO KATAN was not KILLED by him TO EARN THE DARK SABER?!?! AND #MoffGideon WAS an OUTSIDER TOO!! Just like MAUL was!
"You can't give it to her, it has to be won in combat"
"I yield, take it"
🤭👍
Total proof of how Din cares about ruling.
@@mikiroony which is 0, none, just caring for Grogu
@Patrickrolled he also promised grogu that they will meet again which also would mean that he has interests at being the leader and also join bo katan's efforts or now literally his efforts.he had a deal with bo katan.
I honestly really liked that scene. Bo'Katan looks at Mando's culture as dated and not what Mandalorian needs, yet Mando sees something as trivial as earning something through combat just as low. I'll be curious how much that changes her view on what is a tradition similar to the helmet thing for Mando.
Imagine Boba Fett went with the group and saw Luke lol
I can’t let that go they were so close and yet neither of them knew the other was there
Boba has moved on from that. It would have been awesome if Boba was there though. Just imagine.
Luke looks around the room and notices a familiar face. It then cuts to Boba as he stares at Luke. He tilts his head slightly and gives a nod of respect.
Boba Fett - “Skywalker.”
Luke gives a slight smile and returns the nod.
@Frank Castle I think it was a bit too much, and it makes everything the crew did feel pointless; Luke could've just rescue Grogu himself.
AKWARD!
Boba: “Hey it’s Luke”.
Everyone else: “who?”
Luke: *walks in* “I though we killed you?”
Luke cut through the dark troopers like they were butter.
i know i was like mando join the fight already. You have the fuckin dark saber!
@@spencer9095 They were scared out of their minds. One dark trooper sneeezed at Mando and had he not been wearing beskar armor, he would be a bloodstain on the wall.
He was just like darth Vader in the end of rogue one. This is why people fear Jedi.
@@spencer9095 he has the saber, but not the force sensitivity to be able to wield it like a Jedi. He would never be able to deflect blasts
@@Jethedril Beskar ftw.
Recent dark saber history: Sabine plucked it off the ground. She is not a worthy wielder. Then Sabine fought someone for possession of it In one on one combat and won, making her worthy. Bo was not worthy, so she refused. Then the clans rallied on her and she was worthy of ruling, and accepted the symbolic blade to boot. Wishy washy here, but Gideon takes the dark saber and purges mandalore, proving that Bo was not a strong enough leader to save her people and not strong enough a warrior to keep the blade. She is no longer worthy. Now Din has reclaimed the blade for the mandalorians in one on one combat, making him worthy by rule of that combat ritual. Bo however no longer has any claim whatsoever to being worthy of the dark saber because of her failings. Defeating the weilder in one on one ritual combat is the only option left for her after the disgrace that fell the mandalorians under her rule
I would actually like to talk ab this Bc I’m confused and not the most knowledgeable on canon ect Ik more ab the movies than the cartoons but here’s my theory. Bo didn’t earn it the right way that means neither did moff Gideon Bc he took it from her which means neither did mando. So if nobody ever beat maul to earn the saber that means it belonged to maul the whole time and obi-wan is the one who ended up defeating maul which would put the rightful possession to obi-wan but than Obi-Wan gave himself to the force technically he was defeated by nobody not even Vader Bc Vader didn’t kill him or beat him Obi-wan just disappeared to the force. Which leads me to my point which is I think that the cartoons created a loop hole that they didn’t mean to make and I think they’re trying to rewrite it with the mando series to fix the obvious loop hole Bc that would mean nobody is the rightful possessor of the dark saber for the rest of time. Again I’m not the most knowledgeable so if there’s something that you know that I said wrong or didn’t get right plz tell me
@@DiamondSquidy sounds right if we are tracking who earned the blade by combat, but Bo was the sister to the now dead dutchess Satine, ruler of Mandalore, so Bo has a royal claim to the throne. However, now that Din has the dark saber he has a warrior's claim to the throne. Then there's a thing in the comics where technically Boba Fett also has an inherited claim to leadership, but that comes from Jango whose band of mandos he lead were killed by Jedi, so Boba doesn't have any people to lead...
Basically, if we follow who was defeated in one on one combat for the saber, nobody is Mandalore. If we follow royal blood, Bo Katan is Mandalore. If we overlook some of the wishy washy stuff and just look at current ritual combat for the saber, Din Djarin is Mandalore.
I don't think anyone knows for sure who will rule, but in my opinion I think Din should help Bo Katan unite Mandalorian clans as well as the Children of the Watch together and restore the mandalorian people once more, as the new Mandalore. That'd be cool, and he'd be the first mandalore to have a strong connection to the Jedi order, which is also being restored right now.
@@tylerbradfield9981 so pretty much what your saying is to sum it up is that it can go a number of different ways. Which brings me back to my theory that I think Jon favreau is going to re-write the story line with help from George Lucas to plug in the pot holes from the cartoons and give mando the dark saber and have him be the ruler of mandolore Bc he’s already made it obvious that in order for Bo to lead she has to fight Din Bc the one who wields the dark saber is the true Heir to the throne to mandalore Bc they said that Din is now the rightful owner of the saber which doesn’t line up with the story of the saber Bc it would rlly go to obiwan and that means since Din is the rightful owner they’re re writing the story. So do you think that’s possible?
@@DiamondSquidy for all narrative purposes, I think the dark saber is getting the reset button. For canon purposes, I think they will keep the existing story but clarify why Din is the ruler rather than obi wan. Kinda like how it was confusing that mandalorians couldn't take off their helmets turned out to be a decent explanation I think we'll get one here to explain away that plot hole.
Also note that in the finale Gideon said stuff about the "story" of the blade giving it power, not just the sword. The sword isn't the actual tool to decide who rules, just because Maul had the saber for all those years if he crawled out of his hole wielding it not everyone would think his rule is legitimate, especially because he is not mandalorian. But if a mandalorian battles the man in charge of the purge of mandalore (which stripped the mandalorians of their planet, riches, and symbol for power) and wins back the blade of Mandalore... that's a compelling "story" that seems worthy of a lofty title like Mandalore.
So basically I don't think anything will be ret-conned I think the writers have what they need to make this make sense
Also, maul was once ruler of mandalore, but was dethroned by clones before he ran off. So did he run off with the mantle as well as the sword? Or just the sword? I think that he lost the title but still had the sword and the saber was no longer "in play." When the sword is in the possession of an unworthy it is not in play until that person proves themself to mandalorian people and tradition. For Sabine in the cartoon she scraped it off the ground but was not acknowledged until she defeated a contender in one on one combat, then the symbol meant she was worthy, at least somewhat, some still doubted her I think. Later Gideon stole the blade (I don't think he could've won it) and Bo lost her title because of the disgrace of the purge and with the splintering of all the clans. However, Gideon didn't claim the throne, but he still had the sword. When Din defeated him it follows that the sword is now in play and Din is worthy pending any contenders for rights to the saber and the throne.
@@tylerbradfield9981 I like that theory that’s rlly rlly good narratively good they rlly are starting to get like a MCU level star wars show and it’s honestly started to spark my rise of attention to star wars after these last movies but I heard of them doing new better trilogies
Doesn't this mean that Ahsoka is the rightful ruler of Mandalore, as she defeated Maul in single combat on Mandalore?
Sidious defeated maul before Ahsoka, and even killed savage so technically Sidious was the ultimate owner of the saber, then in ep. 3 windu defeated palpatine and anakin (kind off) defeated windu, so tecnically, vader was the ruler of mandalore and even if we say that ahsoka defeated maul first and earned the saber it is pretty clear that vader would have killed her if it wasnt because of ezra so, vader was the ultimate owner of the darksaber, and then on ep.6 he (intentionally) lost against luke making his son the ultimate leader and since luke didnt got killed but rather died peacefully on a rock, the sabers owner remains a mystery.
So, in conclusion, either way Vader was the rightfull owner of the dark saber but he didnt knew
@@jploz4092 He didn't, actually. Granted he whooped some Dathomirian ass that day, but he fought TWO Zabraks the rule of Mandalore's Darksaber is single combat. Which Ahsoka does, granted the Grand Army strings him up, but she beat him.
She did not defeat maul in combat tho she lost the duel
@@classofrass5752 she lost the duel tho…it was over when she lost her sabers
@@classofrass5752 when he started to talk to her
Bo- Katan seems like a poor leader. During the Clone wars she seemed deserving, but in Mando and Rebels she seems pretty weak and undeserving compared to Mando and Sabine
I would argue she didn't even seem that deserving in Clone Wars - Maul and Visla were cooperating just fine until Visla betrayed him during their operation to suade the people of Mandalore to their side; Maul escaped and challenged Visla to an honourable duel, which Visla accepted - during that fight, Maul never even used the force against Visla. Then, when Maul wins and rightfully claims the Darksaber and by extension the throne, Bo calls him and the mandalorians who honor tradition traitors, despite Visla's own last words 'Only the strongest shall rule'.
She seems to make a good second such as the role she filled in Deathwatch with Visla leading. She can take care of the down and dirty details while someone else leads, but she seems to be completely out of her element at the top of the ladder.
The difference was, in Clone wars she only wished to follow. The ambition or perceived right to lead all too often causes people to become extremely poor leaders. Leadership is not a right, it is a duty. This is likely why, in Mandalorian Culture, it must be won and is not simply passed down through family lines. One must show they have the strength to shoulder that burden.
Of course, over time it became more of a "prove I'm the biggest and strongest arsehole around" with people like Pre Vizla and Maul (no disrespect to Maul, one of if not my absolute favourite character in the franchise, but he is a total dick at that point, if not always). I feel that the "Children of the Watch", or perhaps only the covert seemingly lead, at least spiritually, by the Armorer, are trying to bring the Mandalorians back to their roots as honourable warriors of a Creed, like Din, rather than zealous entitled nationalists, like Bo (perhaps I'm being a bit harsh on her but eh).
Yeah I mean she was cool in Clone War, OK in Rebels, but terrible in Mandalorian
She’s gonna become protagonist turned antagonist in Season 3 just you wait
She just seems to want the power because.
I don’t see her even wanting to unite the clans, just assume leadership in the vain hope no one will complain. And so the circle continues.....
I think the reason that you must now earn the Darksaber in battle to rule has to do with the propaganda aspect of Bo'Katans campaign against the empire. When she united the Clans she basically said "Look I have the Darksaber that means I'm strong and worthy" but then she lost the blade to Gideon and that showed weakness puting her her worthiness into question. By geting the blade back by any other means than winning it back, would only feed the doubt. Keep in mind that there is much rivalry between the Mandalorian clans and Bo-Katan would be risking alot if she tried get them all to follow her again with out proving that she was truly worthy. That is why I think she didn't accept the blade from Mando.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture, In the clone wars season 5 episode 16!
@@EshominSure that is a cool way to see it, but Darth Sidious didn't care about Mandalore. He used Darth Maul to draw out his mother Talizin. You see the nightsister was as powerful as Sidious in the darkside and thus he feard her.
@@erikpersson2365 interesting lol because Din doesnt care either "this is the way!" 🤣
This is what I immediately thought as well. I can't see any other reason. She doesn't want to just receive it again.
@@erikpersson2365 here is a better statement. Lol "Palpatine is technically the holder of the Darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore. He spared his life for 'other uses'. It could have been to rule Mandalore and destroy it from the inside out. Let's not forget the bigger picture because remember Din doesn't even care about the Darksaber and doesn't even want anything to do with Mandalore calling it 'cursed'. I also believe this why Mandalore was destroyed and The Mandalorians are divided. This is how Palpatine maintains control in Mandalorian Space. The Darksaber serves him for that purpose, because no one knows of Maul's defeat on Mandalore so therefore Maul was a puppet under Palpatine, regardless the Republic had gained control and order by the end of The Clones Wars, which turned Empire. 🤔"
THIS IS THE QUESTION I HAVE BEEN ASKING MY SELF SINCE I WATCHED THE CHAPTER
ME TOO!
Same
SAME!
Its because u have to fight to earn it according to the Old Republic Timeline check it out guys
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
Results are everything. Under her rule mandalorians were slaughtered almost into oblivion and the planet under her protection got drained of its valuable resources, and thus is unfit to rule.
Plus it got glassed... even more
She didn't win it in battle before, and look what happened!
@@RodgerSkelton but he doesn’t want it, nor what it represents. Let’s see his development throughout season 3, maybe he’ll become the leader who brings Mandalore back to its feet during the new republic era.
@@RodgerSkelton my thoughts exactly. It would feel weird if the season began with Din as the Mandalorian leader. So, if they decide to take on that route, I expect some heavy character development for Din during season 3.
@@neitherlink6612 would be great.
The only answer:
Because it looks more epic with Mando, and everyone wants to see him hold it more
That seems right
Yep pretty much
False
O ok
All of this happened because Bo Katan couldn't accept the fact that Maul won traditionally...
@@quicklyform5162 Bo is kinda a sociopath
@@realmythshade9940 kinda?
@@realmythshade9940 a Mandalorian redhead??
It checks out
She didn’t trust him to begin with. Pre vizsla did.
“It’s a risk trusting those two. How do we know they’ll uphold their end of the bargain?”- Bo katan
Maul didn't swear to any Mandalorian Creed. So he had no right to rule over Mandalorians in Bo katan's eyes. An "outsider". But Dynn is a Mando, so he has a right.
luke skywalker killing dark troopers was so amazing
*like father like son*
@@kneewhen indeed
Hallways are officially warzones
Mached his moves perfectly
The dark trooper theme song was insane. This is the best episode ever!!
“Jon Favreau says Season 3 will be going in a direction similar to Game of Thrones”
I really hope that means clans and not killing off fan favorites for no reason
Or be like GoT’s last season
"Bo Katan just kinda forgot about the Dark Troopers"
In the way that John Snow doesn’t want to be the heir to the throne?
Fan favorites were killed because it was in the books
I think he means "multi-story". Not just following Din but others as well.
"Lol he hides his face behind a mask, what a dumb religious zealot."
"Nooo I can't be the leader unless I defeat the previous holder of some sword in combat!!!!"
Ethnocentrism at its finest *chefs kiss*
And she was also part of death watch, literally a group that is basic sally the same as Dins type of mandalorian but much MUCH more extreme
@@hellothereh3539 I thought Mano was part of death watch and bo was part of the night owls? I dont remember to well I havent watched the clone wars in a while
@@theonionfromshrek340 Din is a foundling child of the watch, but probably some other sect from the same Death Watch Bo is from
It's pretty simple, she was handed the darksaber the first time, then she lost it,she has already lost her credibility, if she is handed it again, well, she won't be respected.
Moff Gideon said it best,”the dark saber doesn’t have power, the story does.”
Hahah
Theodore Roosevelt said it better, "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
Also the leftover mandos would love mando's story of coming into power defeating a moff who claimed the darksaber that killed off a big amount of the bounty hunter mandos lived after meeting 2 jedi while bo Kotans story would be like oh well I had this handed to me after that guy did the work for me
@@kaisac. Bo Katan has far more of a story than Mando does right as of this moment and could defeat him in combat and take the darksaber away from him if she wanted to. Even with the Darksabers, Mandalorians would be hesitant to follow Din because he doesn't have any real achievements. Gideon is not only an outsider but he isn't a great warrior so defeating him means almost nothing to them.
@@KanekiKen-fc3qo idk i think being able to get the darksaber their own leader wasn't able to get back is a big achievement and im assuming Gideon had to have beaten bo kotan to get the darksaber or atleast outsmarted her so I do think its a big deal mando beat him and like I said he's also a moff that seemed pretty feared
She lost twice and we’ve never seen her actually lead anything over then resistance forces
At this point, Bo Katan is pretty much a punk
Got it as a hand-me-down from Sabine
Lost it to Moff Gideon
@@hamman_samuel We don't know if she lost to Moff Gideon in a 1-on1 combat. He could've stolen it during an attack.
@@lilywong9672 true
That's because she can never measure up to her sister
Bo-Katan: Hey, I have the Darksaber and now I rule Mandalore. Come with me!
Mandalorians: You already had it and lost it TWICE. So fuck off.
Bo-Katan isn't worthy. She never was. Every time she's fought for Mandalore she's lost and lost big. She's a cool character and she's come along way from her power hungry days. But she just doesn't have it.
I just hate her
Agreed
Yes she needed help of the main enemy of the Mandalorians to take back Mandalore. Before that she had fun burning Villegas and killing random unarmed people. She didn’t excepted Maul as new leader of mandalore even if he had won a duel against the old leader and earned the title. She needed help from Mando to get the weapons she wanted, but later she first refused to help him too and later only helped him because she wanted the dark saber. She has no honor, give a f... on the way of the Mandalorians and is weak. She’s not even worthy the title of a Mandalorian. And she later offended Boba even thought he is way stronger and has more honor than her
@@manueinsnoob6558 yea and why is boba fett not a mandlorian for her? Ok he is a clone but was raised likea normal boy with mandalorian traditions I guess.
@@skelling5991 yes and he would defeat most Mandalorians in a battle. And he has way more honor than much of them. I mean look at Sabines mother who shot the enemy of her daugther during a duel. That’s just poor. It seems like most of the Mandalorians forgot their ways
Mando is now in possession of two ancient Mandalorian weapons
He has held his own in combat, he has honor, he protects innocent people and tries to bring his bounties in alive, Bo Katan working with Mando rather than fighting him is one of the best things she could have done in that moment. Since he's willing to work with other clans but already a member of deathwatch, winning that one duel could eventually unify all the clans. If she killed him, the clans would only fight each other for the blade until there was nobody left. Bo Katan is truly like her sister even though she likes to be tough. (Plus since mando removed his helmet deathwatch could try to kill him on a technicality anyways.)
By the way, you don’t have to kill for the darksaber, Mando didn’t kill Gideon.
@@kiter. I know. You think they would take her seriously if she won it in a non life staking spar with her ally though? Bo could still double cross him, but attacking him in that moment would have doomed the clans to fight each other until they wiped themselves out entirely because it would show they couldnt even trust each other. Its important to have allies when you are rebuilding your whole culture from the ground up too and Mando helped her beat a moff and get the ship she needed as agreed.
But you said that like she could actually kill him easily
@@SMD2x That fight could happen at any point and still have so many factors we wouldn't be able to tell for sure who would win an outright fight: he could be fully stocked and ready to fight in a formal duel, or he could just turn around with his helmet off in the next episode and get blasted in the face. He might have experience, but you're talking about fighting the actual royalty left from Mandalore that also outranked him in deathwatch, the training and experience she has already is enough to make her a threat in any fight. The point is that if the best of the Mandalorians keep fighting amongst themselves, the hope of restoring their people will be gone forever. Why do you think Gideon was so happy to toss the Darksaber over to Mando in front of Bo Katan? No sorry, I have higher hopes than them fighting for this series. The Clans will be restored, Boba will lead the new syndicates with a beskar fist, Luke will train Grogu before Kylo destroys his enclave. New series and developments will eventually lead to us seeing the liberation of all Imperial occupied planets AND the creation of the Alliance fleet for Exegol. Later all that will stem into new shows and movies when fans are unanimously prepared to move past the skywalker legacy.
deathwatch is practically gone
Anybody consider that the moff, being the forward thinker that he is, planned his loss knowing that it would pit mando and bo against each other causing the attack to fail and giving him a chance to escape?
Most definitely. He wasn't there to stop Grogu from being taken. He already got enough blood from him, so he was there to cause a rift between the two groups.
If a group of people with a common enemy team up the first thing to usually do is find ways to pit them against eachother through tactics like that, especially since it was kinda a 1 time alliance at the time and they weren’t true allies.
It was his back-up plan. He didn’t throw the fight with Din.
@@MrK133n i believe it was just a contingency plan in case he lost to din djarin
@@dinglerofl4784 a person like Gidian always has at least 5 contingencies in their mind.
I just want a flash back of Gideon fighting on Mandalore
Yes I’m so hyped for season 3!!!
I'd even accept a flashback in the bad batch
@@37Sith yes yes!!!!
@@SirLangstalotProductions Why would there be a season 3?
I’m pretty sure we’ll get it in season 3
Bo-Katan looked so mad when she saw him with the darksaber
She had the face of a mother that heard her 8 year old say fuck😂💀
@@ihavenocommonsensebut2008 Good. Because it means she isn't worthy.
Mando IS on then other hand a worthy man.
@@MrDude826 I have predicted mando getting the dark saber the first time it was mentioned in the show, and I was hoping he was gonna get. And I'm glad too see it
All Hail Din Djarin
King of Mandalore
@@hamman_samuel What should his title be? Mandalore the Reclaimer?
"Why didn't Bo Katan take the dark saber from Djin Darrin?"
...
"Because it wasn't in the script."
literally lol to create beef for season 3
So true.
exactly... couldn't just hand the audience a fancy plate on a silver platter... someone had to sh*t in the Cheerios for season 3!
actually, it would make sense. The difference between this situation with Din and the other with Sabine is that Sabine didn't fight to gain ownership of the Darksaber, technically not making it hers to own, unlike Din, who won through single combat.
Idiotic .. There's 2 major reasons she can't..
Cant din just say "slap me and ill say u win" so then she technically beats him in combat
I think that's basically what he tried to do by saying "I yield", but apparently that doesn't count to Bo Katan lol.
The problem with this is that it satisfies the 'letter of the law', but not the 'spirit of the law'. The *reasons* for why the law or rule exists in the first place. Anyone accepting it as a gift or due to yielding or 'throwing' the contest could not be seen as legitimate, at least not by all Mandolorians.. and if you can't unite them, then the whole thing is moot.
The Darksaber doesn't hold power, the story does. Doing that would just throw away any respect remaining that the Mandalorians have for Bo Katan.
They probably don't honor that either. Its probably gotta be a full on battle with both opponents giving it their all in order for other mandalorians to truly respect the winner.
@@riripari2042 And they most definitely would need witnesses to the fight to attest that it was fair and that there was nothing underhanded going on
The armorer will be back in season 3 and it will be a struggle between the cultists, bo katan, and the rogue clans of mandalor with the mando trying to decide what the right way is.
this is the way
Is this official
@@spritemon98 No but it's logical. The Armorer is his covert's leader so he will go to her for her perspective on Mandalorians.
oh i know what mando can do...he can Make Bo Katan a Trusty Right Hand Steward Of Mandalore and the Keeper of the Dark Saber while Mando is away from the Planet
or Mando can just marry Bo Katan and what is his is hers and what is hers is his
A more intriguing questions is: Why doesn't she age?
The actor is 40 and bo katan is 40 in star wars it works
@@ianmontgomery1999 auround 45/50
@@sangokus6478 so is DinJarin like 35?
@@ihavenocommonsensebut2008 Probably
Maybe using space hair dye? She is older than Boba but looks so much younger than him.
Maybe she should have actually specifically explained the arcane 1v1 combat requirement to Din instead of leaving at "remember everyone, gideon is mine" she isn't worthy, she never was
Because the show is called "The" Mandalorian. Not just "Mandalorian" He has to be the ruler
Then Bo'katan's character is extremely flawed
@@gunmetalgrey7103 lmao what? That bitch has been flawed since her debut. Literally all of her crimes are just forgotten. Which include: kidnapping teenagers from a village full of peaceful people, MURDERING SAID PEOPLE, betraying a business partner instead of making a compromise, overthrowing and killing the previous ruler of Mandalore aka her sister. (There is no difference who did the final blow, Vizsla said countless times he's going to kill Satine and Bo doesn't suggest otherwise) Literally starts a civil war because Mandalorian tradition means jack shit to her until its convenient for herself.
Dude come on, she's always been a poorly written character and thats not even half the stuff she did
I like how people can forgive Vader for all the suffering he’s caused on numerous worlds from just one scene but still hold Bo accountable for past actions despite more or less turning over a new leaf. Trying to save her sister, freeing obi wan, enlisting the help of the republic to liberate Mandalore etc
@@neofulcrum5013 uh... nobody forgives Vader for the stuff he did. Not in universe, not out universe. The one scene was just the fans rooting for him to rise up against his master in order to save his son and to free himself from Slavery. What has Bo done? "Turned over a new leaf by freeing her sister" yeah who put her in Jail to begin with again??? "Bringing the Republic to 'liberate' Mandalore" you mean a terrorist convincing a foreign power to ignore neutrality, invade the planet unprovoked for a regime change? Not to mention that doing that liiterally allowed the Empire to dominate the whole planet from the beginning of the Imperial era?
@@neofulcrum5013 Vader did bring suffer to the worlds in order to ensure security and prosperity for the new, galactic empire. While Bo was just trying to get the power for herself (even so, i like her alot:)
I think this just sets up S3 perfectly. I expect S3 to focus more on the Mandalorian culture. Prior to the announcement of Ahsoka's series, I thought it could also include her quest to find Thrawn (and maybe Ezra) but now that she has her series I figure her story will be focused on finding Thrawn so if Mandalorian S3 can focus on just one major story, it becomes so much better already because it has a lot of time to delve deeper into their culture.
I’m glad we’re discussing this
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin but Vader killed him. That means Vader was the rightful owner of the darksaber
@@jawed4106 and Vader is dead, meaning leadership (along with the Darksaber) is up for grabs.
Din is now Mandalore the Reluctant or he might be called Mandalore the Zealot/Believer.
And Vader was killed by Palpatine's lightning and Palpatine was technicaly alive through his clone, so the rightful owner is now Rey. XD
@@ioandascalu8533 yes I agree, but in this timeline, and yeah you see where this is now leading, rey defeated palpatine so it would be hers and she is empress without even knowing it, the dumbest "mary sue" yet lol jk i can dig it
If grogu is a mandalorian then does that make him the second force using mandalorian
He was a foundling, either he became of age still with Din, or he got reunited with his kind, and he got reunited with his kind
He did NOT get reunited with his kind he simply found a jedi teacher. Grogu was named a foundling, in Mandalorian society he never loses that title. Until they day he dies he is of clan Mudhorn.
@@Gen-Atari-X point is, he split off with Din, and he probably won’t ever officially follow any Mandolorian code
@@iflykaya grogu should get the dark saber after din
@@Gen-Atari-X Grogu was reunited wiht his kin, the Jedi...
Me and my dad were really suprised that it ended up being luke cause we thought it was gonna be ezra
Reason: They need storyline for season three.
The tragedy is there will be multiple tv shows boba, asoka,kenobi etc. but ultimately all the storylines will converge into The Force Awakens.... All these are time pass and money making scam.... Star Wars started with Anakin and ended with him without promise of resurrection...
@@bkaustav I think that Disney was interested in Star Wars, just not interested in The Star Wars. They wanted to put that saga to bed and focus on other things.
@@bkaustav Just because they converge into TFA doesn't mean they'll be bad as the sequel trilogy....
@@dr.robotnick1888 I tend to agree but a fresh future storyline could be more interesting...
So many TH-camrs that analyzed her choice simply forgot to mention the whole Gar Saxon fight with Sabine! Thank you for making a proper analysis
sabine stole the darksaber from maul
that being said ahsoka beat maul in single combat so technically ahsoka is the rightful holder of the darksaber
@@dinglerofl4784 well really, palpatine did that before ahsoka in s5
@@reecethegamer o uea i guess, then vader beat palps then died, so it would probably be inherited by luke?
@@dinglerofl4784 So? It doesn't matter, because Moff Gideon took the Lightsaber from Bo Katan. It is clear he didn't won the lightsaber because not only Bo Katan Lives, she still claims the Darksaber as hers and based on his skills he couldn't defeat Bo.
Similar to how Gar Saxon took it from Sabine, Moff Gideon took it from Bo.
@@MegaAgamon according to mandalorian tradition the darksaber must be won in single combat, stealling it presents an illegitimate claim to the mandalorian throne, anything that happened after it was won, ie people stealing it, didnt affect the claim to the throne
Simple answer. Because taking it once was dishonorable enough.
AS SOON AS THE EPISODE WAS OVER I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
I was thinking about that as the episode was taking place.
So, as Dumbledore had the Darksaber and Malfoy actually disarmed Dumbledore, when Snape gave the Darksaber to Valdermort he had to kill him and then he became unworthy to wield Mjonir and Betsy Ross got it. See!
Huh?
You are talking about the elder wand right
@@Luffy-zj6vm yeah he is 😂
And that’s why Harry Potter is a sixth lord
@@lpesic1159 and even then he got it wrong
So we can get a season of Din TEARING SHIT UP WITH THAT DARKSABER!!!
Better question how did Moff Gideon get the saber.
Hmmm Idk
They explained it during the purge moff gideon stole it
@Boba fett 😭😂
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@Boba fett oof
I always theorized that "The Mandalorian" is the story of how Din Jarin became King of Mandalore and united "The Mandalorians"....I can see Bo Katan perhaps become his first general or maybe even Queen.
Technically they don't have a king despite there being a throne, they just have the strongest rule so Din would become just the leader of mandalorian or Mand'alor
@@mandoad1841 King, Ruler, Leader...same shit lol...you know what I mean...
maybe Bo Katan will have a falling out with mando and it will end with an epic fight
I doubt they will marry, but I do see for a while her controlling the Military
@@christianfiggz7057 after getting everything he ever wants hes then like “gotta get my kid back”
Most people in the comment already have the answers
if you think about, the rules never applied. You just need to own the dark saber to unite the mandalore and then someone else could claim your place by challenging you. Moff Gideon isn't some off written character to be a anatagonist for the plot, he is indeed a smart individual. Imagine someone gives you a powerful sword, a sword that unites others mind you, and have that taken from you utterly defeats your pride and at that point are you even worthy? As @Arthur Cavazos mentioned, I would kick myself to til i bleed every last drop if i was Bo infact i wouldnt be able to sleep at night. That is why SHE wanted to defeat Moff Gideon and why she wanted him to surrender to her. It isn't some petty contest that we thought she had, it was her pride, she needs to prove herself worthy and having that pride stolen from her really builds the plot. No matter what plot holes you think this has, Dave Filoni never and I say NEVER let's the fans down. He is able to fix the entire trilogy and Ahsoka's character, I am sure he's cooking something tasty in the kitchen
anyways good analysis otherwise!
Favreau: “Same direction as GoT”
Me: Oh oh....
Are we concerned because of the disappointing finale or because of the sexual scenes?
She doesn't know Mando; she seems to despise Children of the Watch, so likely sees him as an adversary.
Accepting the blade from him would legitimize the Children and their philosophy; another division among a scattered people.
If she takes the blade from him in battle, then the proper forms are observed and the Children would see their chance for power erased.
I wonder how the Children will come back. Maybe they might reinforce Din’s position as ruler and start a war against Bo against Din’s wishes ( the game of thrones type storyline)
mando knows nothing about mandolorian history, at the start he didn’t even know what the darksaber was
Which is a partial explanation for why Bo-Kata refers to Din's splinter group of Mandalorians as "a cult". They have to control the information their foundlings get, in order to maintain their dream designs for Mandalorians.
@@donaldwatson7698 I hope it gets explored further. I like the idea of various mandalorian sects. I guess Din's group doesn't value dark saber as a sign of power (as they obey the old old ways) rather like various judeo-christians view the meaning of cross differently (very important to catholics, not so important to mormons for example)
Neither Luke knew much about the Jedi. And look at him now.
@@kissarococo2459 Din’s ‘cult’ only values the right of conquest not the right of a dark blade
HE not only did not know but clearly claimed he couldn't care less.
Because Sabine didn’t earn it and Darth Maul was already dead. She had no claim to it and who did was dead. So the Darksaber was free for Sabine to give.
*insert gif of Michael Scott shouting "Thank you!" here*
Gideon effectively won a duel against every mando, which makes him worthy by default, Maul rightfully won it from Visla, but Bo couldn’t accept that even tho she’d later take it without honouring the tradition of the blade when receiving the sabre from Sabine (who also had a faulty claim on the blade). At the end of the day it’s just an old and oddly made lightsaber, allegedly taken from an ancient Jedi, and therefore holds no power over the mandos beyond its story (as Gideon says)
I thought Ahsoka is technically the owner, since she beat maul in combat prior to the purge. So Sabine would have to beat ahsoka.
@@dondon5011 nah, I think that the fact, maul escaped, renders the claim invalid, since neither followed the fair fight covenant when fighting, they weren't even fighting for right to rule.
Also undertaking the fact that at the end asoka, used clones to incapacitate maul, is the deal breaker.
@@dondon5011 depends on who’s telling the story at the end of the day, right now there’s various layers of misinformation to legitimize many different characters claim’s, but to us omniscient viewers of the SW galaxy... yes
6:52 "Season 3 of the Mandalorian will be going in a similar direction to Games of Thrones..."
Oh no! Is Din Djarin going to have his head crush bare hand?
Took me minute to get the joke. Heh-heh.
Of corse it’ll be by the mountain that rides a speeder
It already is lol "The dark saber is yours" Mando- *I don't want it*
The only reason Dinn didn't want to rule was because at that exact moment Luke hadn't swooped down and used his hot knife to cut down the butter troopers. And now that the kids finally out of his hands where he feels safe I don't think he'll have any qualms about leading. I feel like it's his destiny amirite?
I don't think he has the ambition. He just wants to make his way through the universe.
He knows he wouldn't be a good leader. Hes to soft to lead them and he's a lone wolf without ambition.
He does not care about Mandalore anymore. He said more than once it was a lost cause to take back the barren planet. His cult were clearly outcasts so he likely has a severe dislike for those who considered them outcasts.
I personally believe that Bo-Katan was able to recieve the Darksaber from Sabine due to all of Mandalore supporting the shift in ownership. Even though she never won the saber from Sabine, the rest of Mandalore agreed that the gift was fine, seeing Bo-Katan as a true leader, and the right leader for Mandalore.
Which made no sense as she's the reason why the empire was even on mandalore to begin with.
Mando is going to lose , and be like "here you go" Bo is going to say nha, you let me win, we doing this again 🤣🤣🤣,
i WAS WONDERING THIS
Din is the rightful owner of the dark saber through combat! He should be Mandalore.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin Isn't palpatine dead at this point? I don't believe he's gotten cloned by this point. Besides, since it was Darth Vader who killed palpatine in the first place, Darth Vader would be the holder. Which creates a dilemma since, Vader dies later on because of Palpatine.
@@Matt-zq8cz palpatine was not defeated in combat with the Darksaber, and he wasnt totally destroyed. And luke was defeated anakin before he threw him into the shaft
@@Eshomin Does it state that the person must be defeated while holding the Dark Saber to claim it? Or that they must simply be defeated in combat? And I suppose that would be true regarding Luke. However, should that be the case, when Luke tried to kill kylo. Kylo brought the building down on Luke, and seemly knocked him unconcious while he went on a murder spree. So now, kylo is the holder, until Rey defeats him. Then palps defeats her for a few minutes, then rey kills him. Soo, I suppose, by all accounts, Rey is the true holder on the Dark Saber. And well, that would just further her role as a Mary Sue.
@@Matt-zq8cz yeah and she would have pmfulkfilled palpatines plan, so the darkside is lurking in her still, all the sith and all the jedi
I posed this question in 3 separate Star Wars lore channel threads and nobody seems to have wanted to address it. Thanks for setting the record straight
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose." - Wrong franchise, but still relevant. I hardly think Bo-Katan can be blamed for the imperials bombarding Mandalore.
Ye empire vs one planet lol
... That is not weakness. That is life. - J. L. Picard
She may not have united all of Mandalorians under her rule because she did not earn the dark saber by combat.
Keep in mind the Mandalorian clans that joined her in Rebels were already loyal to her but the ones who did not attend that day most likely questioned her leadership and did not follow her because she did not follow the tradition of earning the Dark Saber. This most likely lead to a huge divide within the Mandalorian ranks simply because certain clans did not see Bo-katan as a worthy leader or due to how she did not properly earn her position as leader through traditions.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin exactly. Ppl keep crying about “the winner is the true holder blah blah blah” if that’s the case why has the saber been going around from theft? Why is bo Katan alive if she “rightfully” lost the saber?
@@YC-tx3di Those were the rules set up,so don’t get mad when people apply said rules.
@@Scottsshow ? But no one have been following “set rules”. Are you not listening? It’s now that all of a sudden that they want to follow it? Technically. She needs to go and find the emperor, IF we are still to follow set rules.
@@YC-tx3di at this point he is dead and not yet cloned or at the least considered dead and sense Asoka would be the rightful ruler. Thought it seems she really doesn’t care for it so it would go any one who last bet Asoka which theoretically would be Vader then Luke.
Mando didn't even kill moff Gideon and owns the Saber now. Can't they just box it out in a ring fight?
I say it be Mando sense he's the one who beat Moff Gideon he's the one who should unite the Mandalorian clans.
That would make a great season 3
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin he’s an outsider
@@dbuonincontro i know its crazy, like bo said to maul also, so who would it be after pri visla was defeated?
@@Eshomin That's not how any of that works. Please stop talking, you clearly do not know enough to be engaged in this topic.
Din would be a great leader for mandalore and I really he does become the leader. He’s very honorable and has a lot of respect form almost every character on the show. Also this is his show
I think that he has the charictaristics of a good leader. Loyal, honorable, open minded, and he regards people by merit, not association. He developed a lot in his time with the child, which suggests he is able to appropriately adjust as he learns new things. Most importantly, he doesnt want to command people, he wants to protect them. A true leader serves the people he leads. They dont follow him because he demands it, but because they trust him enough to put their lives in his hands. So, in my opinion, he would make an excellent Mandalore.
Agree except dont think he wants to be king; also Bo-katan is more used to the bs that comes with ruling.
I believe your theory that is correct about how she feels she has to earn it this time. Because she was always so focused on finding gideon. And she made it clear that by saying “Gideon is mine”. This time she wants to earn it, she wanted to fight moff gideon.
OMG I was thinking this during the finale!
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin he’s assumed dead so that really doesn’t work bud.
Me and my brother were literally talking about this last night
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin Jesus
The Darksaber is basically the Elder Wand from Harry Potter, but way more convoluted
I always thought it was down to age, with Sabine being so young.
She has a crush on him
Bo has a crush on mando
Great vid btw
That would be interesting
I think she is too old for him
@@generalbaryonyx6850 yup but people'll probly make weird fan fics anyway
I can already see rule 34 here
@@AristotelianEpistemophilic how is it weird? She's like 50 and he's like 30, it's not uncommon irl.
Gideon is still alive so the fight between him and Din isn't over ... technically seen! The fight is only sort of "paused". So Bo-Katan could take off Gideons handcuffs and they will have a fight to the death on the birdge. But according to the title of the series I personally think Bo-Katan sort of accepts Din as the rightful owner of the darksabre (for now). Din is mandalorian, he follows the mandalorian way and is respected (more or less) by Bo-Katan and the other mandals. So after the task/mission to unite Grogu with the Jedi the next goal for the new season(s) possibly is to take back their homeplanet.
You clearly didn't watch the video or the episode. Fighting Gideon now accomplishes nothing, he's no longer the owner of the Darksaber. Gideon is being taken to the New Republic and will likely be imprisoned, unless he is rescued.
Stupid! Moff gideon already lose to mando. What are you saying?
It's not to the death. Death is optional. As long as they are defeated, it counts.
@@Kjf365 Your argumentation absolutely makes no logical sence. How to you define "defeated"? If
@@Indyday Says the guy who can barely speak English apparently. Defeated means the fight has stopped with you no longer in a position to fight. Or have given up.
I think there is a hint in what Bo-Katan said that people didn't unite behind her because she didn't earn it.
She said something like, if people would have fought this hard they wouldn't have lost their planet.
Well, if she had the key to uniting the planet they should have been fighting hard.
So why didn't they? Unless, they didn't follow her.
I think Sabine did earn it the second time. And it doesn't matter if along the way someone didn't, as long as they are defeated in combat the new holder is the rightful ruler.
When it was given to Bo-Katan she was not and people didn't follow her.
yes, mandalorians are a divisive bunch and Bo is rather like modern-minded Peter the Great was to the conservative russians. She was young and step on many toes and now is too tired to fight against the current. So that's why she wants to fight even if she did think it was wrong when Maul won the sword that way and if that's the way she gets to rule again she is willing to yield her beliefs.
Giddion says it when he says “ it’s not the saber that gives you power but the story of it that does”
I think the main reason is that Gideon was mocking her in front of everyone, if she took the lightsaber, it would be an embarassment for her.
You are forgetting that the first time Sabine met Bo-Katan, she didn’t take it, it was when all the clan declared her Mandalore when she took it, I think that the rules are you are Either declare Mandalore by all the clans and then you have the right to the saber, or you take the saber in battle and therefore have a claim to the title of Mandalore
Finally a reason that makes sense. Everything else I've seen has either been that Sabine and Bo Katan are in the same clan (which they aren't) so they could pass it peacefully, or how Sabine was never the rightful owner since she never earned it in battle, but she won it from Gar Saxon. This theory actually makes a ton of sense.
Clan Wren is a part of House Vizla, there are many clans that make up House Vizla. Clan Wren is one of them.
You're right Clan Wren is part of House Vizsla, which contains clans Wren, Saxon, and Vizsla. What does that have to do with anything?
@@ianlazan You already know the answer to that.
@@Mailed-Knight You just commented something completely unrelated with no context, and you won't explain? I'm assuming you're saying Sabine and Bo Katan are in the same house? Clan Kryze is House Kryze not House Visla
@@ianlazan You assumed correct. Yeah your correct Bo-Katan Kryze was never an official member of House Vizla, so my theory makes no sense. Thanks.
This was a great Season
In general I don't like Bo-Katan especially when she was mocking Boba. I was like "bitch please".
Ikr
🤣
Boba: my dad would kick your ass
Have you seen her in anything other than this show, such as the clone wars? She would wipe the floor with Boba lol
@@akirenkurumiya4426 lol you obviously don't know much about Boba then 😂
Bo-Katan is like an angry toddler when it comes to the Dark Saber
This is exactly what the heck I was wondering when I saw Mando trying to give it to her. Thank you
When sabine had the blade maul was still alive and still had a right to the throne of mandalore, yet when din won the blade from moff gideon maul was already dead so the darksaber had no rightful owner. There for din won the blade when there was no conflicting claim to the master of the blade and is therefore the rightful owner unlike a thief like sabine.
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
Absolutely, makes the most sense.
@@mushudragonusa2014 the clone wars season 5 episode 16 "the lawsess" at the very end of the episode
@@Eshomin I never thought about it like that, very true.
@@mushudragonusa2014 Interesting, remember Din doesn't care about the Darksaber and he doesnt even want it. Lol "this is the way!" I also believe this why Mandalore was destroyed and The Mandalorians are divided. This is how Palpatine maintains control in Mandalorian Space. The Darksaber serves him for that purpose, because no one knows of Maul's defeat on Mandalore so therefore he is a puppet under Palpatine, regardless the Republic gained control and order at the end of The Clones Wars, then turned Empire. 🤔
I feel like because 1 Sabine didn’t beat Maul she found it and 2 I think she realized her mistake in taking it without earning it and wanted to do things differently this time plus she might want to earn it as penance for the Great Purge
Agreeable
Be sick to see Mando accompany Bo to retake Mandalore
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6:42 I am starting to see some similarities between the Duchess’s “nephew” and a different character that claimed to like the Duchess.
Oh Obiwan 😳
I like your analysis most of all the videos I've seen. Combat is not the only requirement, honor and deserving to be leader are also elements. However, as far as combat goes, I don't even think it has to be one to one. It certainly is one way, but it is never said to be the only way. Gideon states "it must be won in battle." If Gideon's forces defeated Bo Katan's forces, the victorious leader has defeated the other in battle. Bo Katan clearly acknowledges Gideon's claim to the saber if she feels she must defeat him to deserve it.
So does this mean at the end when Mado told the child " I'll see you again" was a lie due to after he left with Luke Bo-Katan would be killing Mando to take the darksaber? If that is the case, that ending got much darker. If they wanted a good scene done right when it was done wrong in the movies this would be the perfect place for Mando to turn away from Bo-Katan and toss the saber over his shoulder ( to the side, or at Bo-katan feet) and walk away, showing he has no interest at all.
She wouldn't have to kill Mando. You just have to defeat someone in combat just loke Mando did to Moff Gideon
yes,trow the saber around,and disrespect himself,Bo and all the Mandalorians(including the ones who saved him)
All her cared about was getting the kid. He told her three times to take it, and she refused, at that point I surprised he didn't toss it, or place it on the terminal never by and just walk out.
I never want to see a Sabre thrown over the shoulder ever again. TLJ 👎
Bo-Katan will betray Mando sooner or later and Mando will kill her to become the new Mandalore.
I hope they don't make Mando the new Jon Snow.
She is struggling inside. She wants to regain her honor for losing her right to the throne, but she doubts her ability to rule, especially after losing it.
On the other hand, Din is a hardened and zealous Mandalorian, who maintains the strictest traditions and honors her culture in a way she even considers outdated. If anyone can unite the clans, it would be him. She'd rather be the power behind a fully united Mandalore, than a weak and limping princess trying to convince a bunch of other Mandalorians she is worthy of it again, especially when Mandalore isn't a culture based on bloodline but strength.
Plus, we need another season! The kid just went away, but this TV series is a freaking money maker!
Yeah was my first thought on her refusal, "But Sabine?"
Maul won the throne by force, paying the iron price for the Darksaber. Bo-Katan got the saber as a gift from Sabine, meaning that she didn't pay any price for gaining the sword. Maybe the reason why other Mandalorians like the Children of the Watch seceded from her rule was because she didn't win her right to rule fairly (she was appointed by Ahsoka to be the new Mandalore, then the Darksaber was given to her by Sabine Wren) and they saw her as a pretender. So she wanted to take the Darksaber by force from Moff Gideon to prove to the rest of the Mandos that she can win her right to rule on her own, without others giving it to her. It's also probably why she doesn't want to take it from Din peacefully because it would be a repeat of what happened before.
Plot twist: Jon Favreau was waiting for you to make this video...
I remembered why Bo Katan wasn't my favorite character half way through the episode she appeared in S2. She isn't the nicest, and she sometimes has an ulterior motive. As such, I think the reason why she didn't just accept the blade was because she wants to kick Mando's butt, and that might be within her personality/character.
I can’t believe thanos ate grogu with a side of imported French cheese and a glass of fine wine and then he even threw Superman into the sun
So tragic.
Bold move from filoni and faverau
@@l-v8mc529 They really subverted our expectations
Very emotional
@Stella Hohenheim yeah that’s sad
She was Mandalore “the horrible” xD
Mandalore the Atrocious
@@bibfortuna5185 The Mandalore that lost Mandalore.
@@CalyGamer13 Mandalore the sad
@@bibfortuna5185 Boba Fett killed you, no? XD
@@lsthero5863 D E W A N N A W A N G A
Technically Obi-Wan is owner of the darksaber since he defeated Maul in combat during rebels
That would mean that rightfully ownership would have passed to Vader, and then to Luke... Making him the Mandalore.
@@averylee4302 Ayo...
@@averylee4302 it's spelled Mand'alor. It means mandalorian leader in mando'a
Nope. Ahsoka defeated Maul during the Battle of Mandalore in 19 BBY, before Obi-Wan killed Maul on Tatooine in about 2 BBY. So theoretically Ahsoka would be Mand'alor, but Maul hadn't have the Darksaber with him that day, so she didn't actually win it.
@@lapisinfernalis9052 but earth Vader still beat Ashoka later on
{Maul -> Obi Wan -> Darth Vader -> Luke Skywalker (Defeated him in single combat)} So technically speaking, in that finale, Luke coulda yoinked that away from Din Jarin
I love the idea that she feels bending tradition led her to losing Mandalor and she can’t risk that mistake again. Especially since the one offering it to her held to “the old ways” of not removing his helmet. Kind of Jedi-ish: We bent the rules on training Jedi in the past and ruined everything, not making the same mistake with Luke/Grogu
😭 my mom said is she wants to be a ruler of Mandalore all she has to do is marry din so she’s queen cause as of now he’s technically king 😂😂 and I was like ewww
Yeah, imagine how Mand'alor Fenn Shysa will look on Bo-Katan when she shows up in the Oyu'Baat in Keldabe and presents her claims :-)
I generally think that Bo-Katan is simply a fascist.
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A terrorist and factionalist for sure. Maul was the rightful ruler and the Shadow Collective were truly following the Mandalorian code.
Annnnd in today’s episode of “Everyone I Don’t Like Is A Fascist” ....
that's a very well thought out theory. seems like maybe it would have been a good idea for her to mention that to the mandalorian BEFORE he engaged gideon.
I think it’s because Sabine knew everything about the Darksaber so Bo-Katan trusted her and her decision to give it to her but Mando knew nothing, so she doesn’t know if he’s making the right decision of giving it to her.
It’s because Sabin didint win it either she just took it from maul, that might be why
Palpatine is technically the holder of the darksaber after he defeated Maul on Mandalore, and he spared his life for other uses, it could be to rule Mandalorian and Destroy it. Lets not forget the bigger picture
@@Eshomin then palpatine was killed by the reactor shaft in the 2nd death star then lando blew up the 2nd death star so lando is the rightful owner of the saber
@@stooby yessss I accept this as canon.
To make the scene perfect, Mando should have throw the damn Saber, to show he doesn't give a f. Lol
Din Djarin - here take this I yield..
BO-KATAN - I can't take it , because you're the KING...
SABINE - YOU'RE KIDDIN ME ?
Good thing this video came up cause even I thought it Maul did it the actual way, challenged the wielder/leader, leader accepts it, maul wins and claims it as his own rightfully
Dooku definately has my favourite Sabre. As a fencer from way back I love the pistol grip.