Perspective: Train muscles, not Movements.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- We have plenty of trainers and pseudo-experts that often state that muscle training isn't important, and we should just focus on challenging motions.
...But when we consider the direction of resistance, we find that the motion alone is NOT enough. Consideration MUST be given to the direction of resistance, as it will influence which tissues are challeged (and stimulated).
It even seems possible that those that don't want to do the "homework" of studying individual tissues and their value, often use the mantra "train motions not muscles" as a marketing phrase that absolves them from the responsibility of learning at a professional level.
Let's talk about it - but please leave your preferences out of this discussion - we're not talking about your feelings, we're talking the realities of physics.
Trainer to the Trainers®, Tom Purvis (tompurvis.com) from the Resistance Training Specialist Program (RTS).
For live courses and in-depth exploration of exercise mechanics, you can visit RTS at www.RTS123.com
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As an undergrad studying exercise science and an aspiring PT, your videos sure are informative and I appreciate the insights you drop.
As someone who was first introduced to Tom Purvis and the RTS principles shortly after finishing my exercise science undergrad, I can attest that he's one of the best resources out there for solid, logical education on biomechanics and thought process regarding training. I recommend RTS to pretty much every trainer/exercise pro I come across if they're serious about getting good at it.
Depends on your goals. The nervous system integrates muscular coordination, therefore if you train the majority of the time in isolation the nervous system will NOT recognize proper muscular co-ordination. Watch a bodybuilder train vs an athlete. Muscular isolation is done very little in athletic training.
William, you are misunderstanding...he's not saying to never train in an integrated manner, he's saying that too many people do, when their neuromuscular system isn't healthy enough to do so. There are many athletes that shouldn't train certain compound movements and should instead focus on "focused challenges" to ensure all of the pieces of the puzzle are there before integrating...
LOVE this video!
I've been doing RTS and MAT for a few years now and I am still learning things every day.. Even from an 8 minute video! I totally agree that we are training muscles and not movement. We are training the contractile capabilities of the muscles. I actually experienced this first hand last week!
When I was in high school (before taking RTS) I wanted to become a body builder. So I trained with heavy weights. The most I was ever able to get to on a flat bench bar bench press was 135 pounds for about 2-3 reps.
Since then I stopped body building.. I even took a break from most exercise all together last year! Over the next few years after high school I became educated. I started working out again about 3 months ago. My mindset and training methods were TOTALLY different! My goals have also changed (I now want to be a long distance runner). I started off doing isometrics for warm-ups, and applying RTS principles to my workouts. My goal over the past few months has simply been to create new neurological pathways and increase muscle contractile capabilities. I had not made an attempt at lifting ANYTHING heavy since high school. Whenever I did a bench press I would add maximum 20 extra pounds to the bar.
I got curious and wanted to see if I was able to lift as much as I could in high school when I was training with heavy weights. I slowly progressed my weight adding 10 pounds per set at a time. I was able to get to 125 pounds and do 8 reps. That is 6 reps more with 10 pounds less than in high school. I knew the principles, I knew what was going on, but experiencing it first hand is just incredible! I was so please with myself. RTS is the coolest thing ever!
TAKE RTS!!!
No offence but that's a tiny weight to be struggling with bro..
This is awesome! I like the whole "train like an athlete" mantra but I love my leg extensions and my knees feel better and more stable when I do them.
Your videos are incredible! I wish more people in the fitness industry had the depth of knowledge that you posess!
Internal Performance vs. External Performance!
I stumbled across a video you made on Squats, I am pleased to say after losing what is now 30min of my life the the monster that is youtube, it was totally worth it.
Lots of good info and debunking of the common uneducated perspective.
Like the guy said below. Video on leg extension use. I take it you have one and I will look for it after this comment.You said some great stuff and it sounds pretty logical. Also I am a physical therapist. What you are talking about is a step ahead in my development. The rehab stage. Improvements in lower leg function are like gold to me. I hope to see a lot more of you. Thanks.
Thanks very informative video. IMO a much better way of looking at exercise. Gives me more to think about.
Mind blown
Video on leg extension use!
be patient, there's much more coming
-admin
I think we are all salivating, waiting for the leg extension vid.
@@personaltrainingdotcom4016 is there a date for the website to be opened?
Sir, that was brilliant indeed, surely changed my way of view in regards to physical exercise
OH MY ZYZZ! This video was excellent!
Hi, im a personal trainer at a local gym. I had a couple who had been training previously with another trainer in the club approach me and requested training and they wanted nothing else but "core training" with no type of weights or resistance. They claimed to be advanced in training but yet when given a simple task such as a front plank...they could not perform the exercise because their limbs were so weak. Did I miss something here? Doesn't applied resistance result in muscular strength over time? What exactly is the core and why do people concentrate so much on training it rather than weak links? By the way, they fired me because the wife said I injured her husband through doing Standing Calf Raises a few days before and his calfs were really sore...which sounded like DOMS. I'm so confused. Sorry for the lengthy post.
Sounds like you had a stubborn couple. I think you're on the right track with your thoughts, and I wouldn't worry about it. Continue thinking logically about how to prepare the body to tolerate forces appropriately and perform well, and you should be great. Sometimes clients just have bizarre expectations and/or want to shift blame onto the trainer. If you're doing right by your clients, success should come.
And yeah, this "core" stuff gets pretty silly sometimes. Everything can potentially come into play with even the most basic of movements -- there's nothing magic about the "core"
The reason most personal trainers would not know how to properly use the right leg extension machine is because these accredited organizations sell these certification “courses” and tests, folks can do online, with a teaching focus on how to pass the certifying exam, not necessarily on how to know all that’s needed to know about how the body moves. Then again, IMO, one can only learn that with years of schooling.
I'd like to see a tutorial video on the Leg Extension :)
be patient, there's much more coming
-admin
Just about blew my mind. Good stuff makes me want to learn.
Such an interesting perspective given current philosophy regarding sports training. I’m a tennis player and am conflicted on the best way of training. Tennis players need strength, agility, speed, endurance, flexibility. Would you recommend a periodization type approach?
Hi, I was just wondering if you could make a video explaining the kinetics and kinematics relating to performing a leg extension on a leg extension machine. I have been getting a lot of mixed (moreso negative) informatin regarding the exercise and potential injury mechanisms
This really made me think. There is no moment arm at extension in the squat or deadlift, but for me there is no need for me to develop that position as a powerlifter. Stability is required at this position but it is static and training this beyond simply performing the lifts just isn't necessary. I can see how for some people there could be though, a downside to performing only/primarily multi-joint movements in some cases that I have never considered. Thank you for the upload.
No need?
At all?
-admin
PersonalTrainingdotcom It can't hurt I suppose, but I wouldn't say there is a need to. In what ways could it benefit a powerlifter?
Any benefit to strengthening hip extensors?
Do you think exercises to improve an activity need to look like the activity itself?
PersonalTrainingdotcom If it is a weak point yes, and no obviously not. Advanced/experienced lifters will be able to determine weak points and address them. In many (most) cases (for Olympic/powerifters) performing the movement itself with more volume and/or frequency is the most beneficial. Too many new lifters spend time working on "weak points" when all they need to do is get stronger! They haven't even mastered the lift yet, they don't have weak points.
Adrian, since the squat isn't a thing, it's an outcome, why wouldn't strengthening the pieces improve the amount one could "squat"?
please make a video how to use the leg extension machine as good as possible.
thx
Do you lift weights, sir?
When you talked about improving your squat with leg extensions, I know people who improved their squats by riding a bike. But it is not about it is it, because if your squat is pretty heavy, you will not most likely improve it by leg extensions, would you? You said you still need to practice the movement. So my question is even if you know that the machines suck why would you "recommend" that type of excercise? I myself do not use machines at all, I am a follower of Ido Portal who has helped me throughout his interviews, seminars, tips and his student teachers to get better more than any doctor or any other trainer with a degree. I use gymnastics rings, bar, parallel/uneven bars, barbell and kettlebell which everything is pretty much closed kinetic chain.
Is it not better to say that the ratio should be somehow higher for the movement and lower for the "muscle isolation training"? Like lets say 3:1? I do like your videos, I enjoy watching them (thank you for them"), but this particular one just put me off.
He is stating that you can still make progress on the squat if you do "isolation" work. One, example is the leg extension, which he stated. You cannot! build a squat alone from just leg extensions but, if you strengthen the muscles that are involved in the squat, like the glutes, hamstrings, (core) one of which for example erector spinae, you are bringing up the muscles to have direct carry over when you go back to squatting. In order to be proficient in squatting, performing the squat is important, obviously. The objective of this video is to teach the way force production works to think beyond an only one way mentality in performing any movement.
That´s why I like RTS! :o)
So if i would stick my toes towards the ceiling, then i could perform realy cool squat movement.
I'm still gonna go with leg extensions being evil. Going by what he said there isn't really a proper way to execute it at a regular gym. So until I learn how, I'm gonna stay away from it. Quads can't handle more volume currently with this frequency squatting. Although it may be a good way to get in less fatiguing volume...hmm
Tom didn't day it couldn't be executed at a regular gym
He said that most trainers don't know how to alter/teach it properly for people.
Study the knee. Study forces.
Then we'll be in a better place to discuss leg extensions.
..also, careful with that "evil" tag.
Thanks for watching -admin
absolutely fucking brilliant.
What about the knee extension myth that they destroy your knees and should be avoided at all costs
Rotatez HAHA nevermind you touched up on that at end , really good video thanks
cool snapback hat :D
This is the most contradictory video I've ever seen. He says not to do movements and then describes movement exactly 'a coordinated effort of individual force producers'. That's what movement is. Everyone knows that training movements also includes muscles, that's the whole point. Skill acquisition and motor learning would disagree with you, that squatting is the same as doing a mix of isolated movements. In fact it's in this coordination that the benefit arises in using compound movements over isolation.
It's all about the forces applied, son.
When you learn what that means, you'll be able to understand the value in what's presented here.
Until then, good luck to you in your mission to defend exercise ignorance
+Christopher Graney I know plenty about forces. Including the importance of the forces applied outside the body, the main goal when it comes to many physical performances. Do I care which individual fibres are being stressed or the resultant impulse applied to the ground in the stance phase of a sprint?! Personally, I work in high performance sport, where I am challenged with combining physiological changes with skill acquisition components at the same time. If this isn't important for your clients, then I can see where you think this makes all the sense in the world to you.
+Christopher Graney wow, for someone who is enlightened who have slung plenty of mud here. Defend the idea, don't criticize the person, ever heard that? Basic respect. I think you should rethink your comments on here if you think I'm the one without an open mind...your body self-organizes internally in order to accomplish goal-directed behaviours. This means that in any given situation, the particular areas of the body you are choosing to isolate may be either critically important or unimportant and there are a number factors that can decide that. Also the internal forces applied/achieved are dictated greatly by the position you put yourself into during a movement, so upgrading these tissues without learning better positioning will yield no 'return on investment'. Are there times where isolating joints/muscles can help? No doubt. But if your goal is better movement (ie sports) then you better believe that coaching and training better coordination will always be top priority.
Cory,
This video doesn't contradict itself.
So if this is the worst you've seen, I guess you haven't visited TH-cam before!!
In all seriousness, this video intends to help trainers see the possible mistakes and shortcomings with merely training the movements without consideration given to muscles, or assuming all the right muscles will be trained by "movement" training alone.
-admin
+PersonalTrainingdotcom I completely agree that both are important. It just seems to me that this video seems to devalue the importance of proper movement.
The best way to injure yourself outside the gym xDDD
That approach is weird and twisted.