@@jwd1776 so as soon as he said he was god people tried to kill him ? When you said that did you really read it again before pressing the send button and see if that makes any sense
If you believe that verse in that jesus is god then that means that god is not the all powerful and god forgets . God is not the all powerful cuz surprisingly his own creation decided to crucify him and he couldn’t do nothing about it , now sure christians will say it was his choice to be crucified but if it really was jesus wouldn’t have said oh god what have you put me in help me . And God being forgetful is due to the passage where jesus was looking at a fig tree from a far but then when came close to it he found out that the tree has no figs in it making him strike and curse it . I can also give another example is where the bible mentions that the hour is not known by anyone but the father not the son nor the angels only the father knows but wait a minute doesn’t the Bible state that before Abraham was Iam 😂. The examples that I mention shows that the understanding of the verse is not correct and is inconsistent with other verses of the bible . To any Christian that read my whole comment just think about your faith don’t take it blindly risking an entire afterlife just because (that was what taught to you ) . You only live once just read the Quran you never know you might understand the meaning of God and how he is different from us . Have a good day
Thau shall not tempt the Lord thy God, does it means Jesus said he was god? But, what has prevented Jesus to say in Just one verse that "I am God in human form".. in his whole life he never said that. Why couldn't he say it clearly. But rather saying the opposite more often.. he even said "why call me good?, there is only one that is good, that is God"(Mrk 10:17-18).. why are you pushing words in his mouth.. why why why
Tell is the turth , Whre jesua said I'm God, Because if he said before Abraham iam , this means he was before Abraham, I wanna ask you , was jesus the first of creatures ? And if so . Does that make him God. ?
@@allahsservant8622 He claimed attributes only due to YHWH. He said Honor me like you honor father. He is the Word,the good shepherd. Read the book of Revelation..He said i am the beginning and the end. What else you need.
@@Vinann-yz7um Who wrote revelation ? And what is revelation ? Isn't a dream of an anonymous man ? Plus how can you just simple refer to the bible while the bible itsel needs some evidence ?
@@Vinann-yz7um You quote me revelation which is a dream on anonymous person and you tell me what else do i need ? Are serious ? I wish once in my life to talk to a logical christian. My friend. You need to prove jesus spoke these words before you qoute them, if you can't give any evidence that jesus said so . Then there is no need for you quoting the new testament. Cause it isn t an authentic source that can be examined. If you need to have a clue of how God talk about himelf here you have it : إِنَّنِيٓ أَنَا ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّآ أَنَا۠ فَٱعۡبُدۡنِي وَأَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ لِذِكۡرِيٓ Indeed, I am Allah . There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance. -Sura Ta-Ha, Ayah 14 So why don't you worship the lord who is telling you clearly I'm your God and you leave all this to go search for (before Abraham was Iam)
Zeeshan Daud, That's what they excel in! Cherry picking verses and interpreting it wrongly to prove that Islam is a superior religion. What a tragedy that Islam needs the Bible to defend their religion!
@@SilentValley2023 jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. That's why JESUS said... I AM (because his soul already created long before Abraham was born) Wallahu'alam
@@justwrite11 Very Interesting!! Let me explain it what the verse you quoted is all about:- " Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."- Jeremiah 1:5 Then the word of the Lord came to me:: Jeremiah had a personal encounter with the Lord. He was apparently raised in a godly, priestly home - yet he had to have a personal encounter with God and His word. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you... I ordained you a prophet to the nations::Jeremiah was already a young man, but God wanted him to know that his call went back even further than his youth. Jeremiah existed in the mind and plan of God before he ever existed in his mother's womb. God told Jeremiah this so that he could walk in God's pre-ordained plan by his own will. i. This information wasn't given just to interest Jeremiah or to entertain him. It was given so that he would know God's will, be encouraged by that, and therefore align his will with God's revealed will. ii. "St. Paul speaks of his own call to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles in similar terms (Galatians 1:15-16)." (Clarke) iii. Ancient Jewish legends say that Jeremiah was so called that he was born circumcised and that he came out of the womb prophesying. In fact, as the legend goes, in his out-of-the-womb prophecy he complained of the faithlessness of his mother. When she protested, he had to explain that he meant "mother" as a symbol for Jerusalem. A prophet to the nations:: Jeremiah’s focus us upon Judah in the last decades before the Babylonians conquered it. Yet his work as a prophet was not only for Judah, but also for the nations. PLEASE DO NOT CHERRY PICK VERSES AND TRY TO KNIT THEM TOGETHER.....IT'S GOOD TO FOOL MUSLIMS WHO HAVE GIVEN UP GOD-GIVEN GIFT OF REASONING!
@@SilentValley2023 ALL CREATION CREATED IN HIS OWN IMAGE JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, the word was with God and the word was God.. " Word is not God because " *Word WITH God* Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. *Word WAS created in God's image* Example; i am a king, i gave my crown to you.. It doesn't make you a king, but *the crown was mine* john 1:14 And the *Word was made flesh*, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. *JESUS = WORD IN FLESH* John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, *He that cometh after me* is preferred before me: *for he was before me.*
@@justwrite11 ++++++++++ PLEASE DO NOT CHERRY PICK VERSES AND TRY TO KNIT THEM TOGETHER.....IT'S GOOD TO FOOL MUSLIMS WHO HAVE LOST GOD-GIVEN GIFT OF REASONING! +++++++++++
Don't believe everything your Islamic leaders tell you Jesus claimed to be God, received worship reserved for God, and was called God by others while affirming they were right MULTIPLE TIMES John 20:27-29 - Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” Mark 2:27-28 - Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man IS LORD even of the Sabbath.” (We know Yahweh (Old Testament title for God) is the Lord of the Sabbath; Jesus calls Himself Yahweh) John 1:1-2; 14 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD. He was in the beginning with God... 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 5:18 - For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD. John 10:30 - “I and the Father ARE ONE.” (Jesus said that He and God are one... Please don't ignore this) John 14:8-9 - Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 13:14-15 - If I then, THE LORD and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. Isaiah 9:6 - For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (You see, even the Old Testament prophesied that the Messiah was God). Who is the ‘I AM’? It is God’s revealed name in the Old Testament book of Exodus: Exodus 3:14 - God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” 1) He identifies himself with the name of God. 2) He doesn’t say I was, but I am. So he was pre-existent before Abraham and has not changed his Godly essence since then. Who is the ‘First and the Last’? Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD.” Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him (Jesus), I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Who is allowed worship? Deuteronomy 6:13 - You shall fear only the Lord your God; and you shall WORSHIP HIM AND SWEAR BY HIS NAME. Matthew 28:9 - And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and WORSHIPED Him. Matthew 14:33 - And those who were in the boat WORSHIPED HIM, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!” Luke 24:50-52 - And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven. And they, after WORSHIPING Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for? Matthew 3:1-3 - Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of THE LORD, Make His paths straight!’” - John had prepared the way for Jesus, THE LORD (which is the title applied to God in the Old Testament)
@@michaal105 Jesus never claimed once to be God. The verses after John 10:30 explains clearly what he meant by “I and my father are one”. Jesus clearly stated that “My father is greater than I” (John 14:28) and “Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone.” Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19 and Matthew 19:17
Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” May i know., In this pharase why Jesus never deny it and said to Thomas that he is not God, if he just a prophet means?why he did accepted that worship when Thomas said my lord n My God?
The prophet Jeremiah was pre-existent in a figurative manner. Jesus was pre-existant in a person, concious manner. That is made evident in Phillipians 2:6-7 where it says "though he [Jesus] was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men." Notice what it says: He emptied himself. This implicates that the Son had a conscious pre-existence, and that Him becoming incarnate was His own doing. It does NOT say "God emptied him, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men."
@يوسف محسن No no no that is the English translation. The original language was most definitely be referring to the creator. IL is a translation or transliteration into English and other languages but that is not at all what the original language was Saying. The translation or transliteration try the best to make it as close as possible. When the God or creator says to Moses on top of a mountain were no one is a round fat the you call me I am that I am . Everywhere you look and everything you see is because I am all that there is and there is nothing else other than me which is I am the creator of everything . You need to go back and look at the original meaning and not the English translation of I am. If I tell you Allah is the IM Creek 8 or M master of everything and the past frezza n't in future and everything there happens is because I am existing. Don't you understand I am existing and because I am existing you can call me Allah or you can come me God or you can call me what you wish but at the end of every single moment you need to realize IM the everything that is created everything before and I continue creating and I am in control of everything therefore I am over the world and universe therefore I am. If this doesn't make sense than brother I am very sorry that you do not understand that there's no difference because if God soeurs I am everything I am everything you can imagine and I am everything this happen in the past the present and future. There is no one else but me because IM everything is was being said but please please go back and look at the original and language and just for you information your creator doesn't only speak Arabic or Hebrew but he speaks every language in the world and even the angels haven't language of their own
@يوسف محسن who says it is not a name..like my name is samuel and I can say samuel is what samuel is..in the same way God is saying I AM WHAT I AM means that God telling his name to moses
@Luiz Do you think reading this verses Jesus was a God ? the father is always superior Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(A) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man,(A) then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 8:28 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?Matthew 27:46 By myself I can do nothing;(A) I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,(B) for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.John 5:30 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers(A) and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father(B) and your Father, to my God and your God.’”John 20:17 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup(A) be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”Matthew 26:39
Sorry don't find this convincing. Jesus said that way because He wanted to convey something very important to them. That's why they wanted to stone Him. They didn't want to stone Him cause He said, "I am the good shepherd" they wanted to stone Him cause He likened Himself to God and used the name of God to refer to Himself.
Yep. The jew understood the what Jesus was saying. They wanted to stonned him because he elevated Himself same as God. Muslim try to misquote Jesus because they do not undestand the old testament and twist His word to support their own theology.
@NTBs he doesnt say that He is weak. But Jesus is the WORD of God that enter into the creation as a man, cannot do anything againts the Father. As your hand cannot do anything againts your brain. Becase He is united with GOD. In the old testamen, the jewish bible, the WORD is a title given to the incarnation of God into creation. Everytime that God interact with human, it was always called as the WORD (LOGOS (greek) / DAVAR (Hebrew)
@NTBs he said that to confuse people like you lol ... Jesus clearly did things that he wanted, that is, he healed people who would not have been healed if it was not by him or his divine knowledge (woman with bleeding issue). Besided the answer already given, we dont really know the true meaning (the divine has to agree to things to do them), what we know is at the moment, as human he could nothing except by God's power...
Give from an authentic source that jesus died on the cross for resumption, When i say authentic source that means known people and eye witnesses , The new testament is not written by eye witnesses nor was it written in the time of jesus , Do you have any other source outside the bible ? Which was by a known historian who witnessed the crucifixion? Someone who lived at the time of Christ, If you don't . You are the one who is supposed to be ashamed to talk about something which you have no evidence of .
@@allahsservant8622 It's written in Quran about Jesus resurrection, read your holy book first. Increase you faith in God that's what matters. I am glad your name is Allah's Servant not slave.
@@allahsservant8622 first of all the Bible is literally the only documents you can accurately go off of. Second, how the hell can you say that they are bad because it was written around 20 years later but completely disregard the fact that the Quran was written 600 years later by a heretic?
"Others have said"... Thats enough to prove he doesn't have a clue. It is the same I AM that God spoke to Moses... There is no "others have said" when talking scripture.
Basically he don't have the answer and try to drown the passage with very obscure extrabiblical arguments. Jesus said that he shared the glory with the Father before the world began. He claimed to be the Son of Man, which is a divine title. Jews even accused him of making himself God. Jesus also claimed to be THE way, THE truth and THE life, a claim that no other than God can make. Jesus claimed that him and the Father are one. Etc... Shabir Ally is disingenuous when it comes to the authors of the Bible but yet use a fallacious approach on the obvious Quranic flaws regarding genealogy, scientic claims, tawhid, etc...
Before Abraham was, I am. I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. I am the bread of life. I am the good Shepard. I am the word. I am the resurrection and the life. Everything Jesus said, he became.
Jesus is human, there is only one God, not Trinitarian God, God is perfect being immortal fully sufficient he forgives without blood shedding, understand that you Christinas, this is pagnism you took it from the Romans, son and Father, there is only one and only God, Jesus is a prophet
@@alialheneiti4267 Jesus is not a prophet. He is the Messiah, he is the son of God. He is sinless as his blood is pure, his mother was a virgin and his father is the Lord God.
Jesus never said that he is a prophet even when people asked them to. John had written that for he who loves the world so much that he give his only begotten son who is also god that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life. Jesus didn't came to this world to condemn but to free people.
"Before Abraham was, I am". After this passage of the Gospel, we have : " So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." . They understood what he claimed to be (God) and it was an outrage for jews.
Jesus is human, there is only one God, not Trinitarian God, God is perfect being immortal fully sufficient he forgives without blood shedding, understand that you Christinas, this is pagnism you took it from the Romans, son and Father, there is only one and only God, Jesus is a prophet
@@dz9nchannel109 yes I a gree but when he said " our Lord" he means himself as well he prayed to the Father so he's not God he's a miracle he's a sinless person, but can't be God and the verse you brought had provided it
@@alialheneiti4267 Uh! You did not read the verse. I quoted that from the Torah not from the Injeel. Muslim misunderstand what the oneness of God means, because they refer to God has a person or Allah as a person. If you read the torah, you would know that married people are one (1+1=1) But one in what?? The problem is the quran does not present the same picture of God as the torah or the bible. The God I know is alive, he is a Father, he is my creator. I know the God with whom I have a relationship, with whom I can talk to like a friend. Not some tyrant in whose eyes I am nothing but a slave. ONCE YOU GET TO KNOW THE GOOD WHO CREATED LOVE, LIFE BECOMES MEANINGFUL
If jesus claimed to be God on that verse then in verse 59 jesus fled because the son of satan wanted to kill him,, What? He knew that he was the God in verse 58 but yet he fled to the son of satan?? I think this is a blasphemy to think that God afraid to the son of satan,, In a few seconds after jesus anounced that he was God,,he tried to escaped to save his life to the son of satam? What?? Was he forgot verse 58 that he knew that he was God?? Seriously??
Nhordz G Diamal Huhhhh Verse 59 says “ when he said this they picked up stones to kill him. But Jesus hid himself. He slipped away from the temples area. So where in this verse did he run from Satan? Where in this verse does it say he ran in general? Exactly nowhere to be found.
2:30, exactly, that is why the I AM is so important. He doesn’t say, I was, he says before Abraham was I AM. He literally says in the simplest was possible that he has always existed and will always exist. He can never not be. He Is. Because he is God.
@@elmajraz6019 his human nature was begotten, u r true, but his divine nature wasn't, he is one with the Father and was with Him in the beginning of time. Jesus was 100% human and 100% devine at the same time
@@lo2246 so the human nature of Jesus that was begotten and died on the cross is not God then. Furthermore, you are wrong. Jesus was begotten Son of God, so even his divine nature was begotten and had a beginning. Someone who has a beginning, is not God. So both the human nature, and the divine nature, of Jesus Christ are not God. God the Son is not God at all, because only God the Father is, the Only True God.
Shabir's answer makes no sense. What Jesus meant was that he is God and he exists since the beginning. Even Before the world was created. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 ---> Not something Jesus said. Jesus was being challenged and argued with by the Pharisees. Basically, he's probably referring to Jeremiah 1:5. Jesus was referencing the old testament. This is evident after he said in John 10:30, "I and the father are one". Many Christians used this to say Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews stoned him, and said that he's claiming to be God. So Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:2 "I said, "'You are Gods"; You are all sons of the most high" So, when you say "Only Son", you're not referring to something Jesus said.
Jesus also said : no one comes to the Father but through Me. .. This is authoritative. No one can comes to GOD except through JESUS , Son of GOD. .. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,
Felix Hu : No one comes back to God without being dead first.. Mankind came from soil and will goes back to soil which means being dead first, before the soul returns back to God.
Felix Hu Jesus also said except you believe that I am he you will die in your sin. Jesus also said no man shall see the kingdom of GOD unless you are born again, and in acts 2:38 it shows exactly how to be born again not just believing on Jesus but being born again of the water and spirit and living what's called a holiness life which emplies following the commandments through Jesus Christ/GOD. Jesus also said one cannot serve 2 masters, your either with me or against me.
He also said: "I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel". Meaning he did not intent this to the the world. He also said to his disciples: "Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5-6
You either believe in what Jesus said or not. You can't believe what a man 600 years later came and said. He changed Jesus like so many other religions/cults. The Quran calls Jesus the word of God, the spirit of God and the messiah. Open your eyes my Muslim brothers and sisters! The Quran also says the people of the book have the truth..... Jesus is the way, the truth and the life! Please open your eyes before it's too late!
Prince Of Dubai Also if Yeshua Is the son of Mary who is his father? It's a biological fact that blood is only carried in the sperm and not the egg so where did Yeshua get his blood from and who was his father?
If it was a grammar then Jesus would tell before Abraham I was. Not Before Abraham was, I am. Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. He is God. Trinity cannot be understood by people who are not born again or at least unless God speaks light unto their heart.
Abinash Biswal lol you dont have knowledge about your own relligion trinity came years later after the death of Jesus pbuh. This was claimed by one of the church fathers they corrupted the bible and changed it. There are also so many parts of christianity and many bibles
Matt P yes it did look at videos of tovia singer. Do some reaseachr btw tovia singer is a rabbi. And if u think that judaism is more related to christianity then islam then you’re fault why do you thyibk jews can go to a mosque and not enter a churche. Because we believe in one god. Even rabbis claiming that islam is more related to judaism and that there are few differences
Matt P also there were christians who believed jesus was a prophet and the messiah but not god these groupe was named the ebionites and also hated Paul. Many of the esrly christians hated Paul only his followers loved him
Matt P th-cam.com/video/ezuL-rxHlsk/w-d-xo.html this is an video how it became there are even other vids / website too look forward this is also historical proven so dont think its fake my brother
@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 in John 6:14, John 9:40, in Matthew 21:11 and many more verses, many people called Jesus a prophet. And Jesus himself said in John 17:3 that the only true God is the father. Neither he claimed he was God, nor all those people who met him and saw his miracles said he was, they actually said he was a prophet. 😊
It will help if you read the full context. Jesus very clearly distinguishes between himself and Father God - multiple times - who sent him. The other Jews also know of and refer to God the Father, often adonai. He angered them because he not only knew their teachings but powerfully demonstrated them in a way that threatened their merely philosophical understanding and cultural approach. ~peace~
@@IAmLovesLight lol, john 5:16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” 18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.The Authority of the Son john 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father[e] does, that the Son does likewise. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. 16:15 Everything that belongs to the Father is Mine
@PURDES we did preserve it! :) In what's Called Strong's Concordance. It's a book which cross references with the original Greek or Hebrew! It's actually super cool. For every Biblical version there is a corresponding Lexicon which defines every word and every phrase in the Bible. Anything that doesn't perfectly translate to English can be referenced to see what the original wording and definition and cultural context was!
@PURDES Haha correct! Haha but Aramaic is Hebrew! So yes it's written in Aramaic and spoken in hebrew. When it's written it's called Aramaic but when it's spoken it's called Hebrew. It's like how the Japanese use han text, or how English and Spanish use the same alphabet.
When your mom knocks on the door and before opening you ask “ who is this” and you hear words “It’s me”. Your mom doesn’t need to tell her her name or her identity at all because you know your mom voice, same way those who are not his sheep will not hear his voice nor know his voice. John 10:27
@@pitsonamane5356 , Your comment is inappropriate and out of place. Prehaps you made a mistake, prehaps you didn't. Yet I have the only comment and you the only response at the moment. If intended towards me clarity is needed for me to judge your seemingly offensive message (if invoked toward me).
GOD said unto moses, *I Am that I Am..* Exodus 3:7..) Jejus: I said unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I Am* he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Did Jesus exist in the beginning with God? before Abraham was born, I am!" John 8:58 John 17:5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning John 8:24-25 This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' John 1:30 He also says, "In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. Hebrews 1:10 Hebrews 1:2 John 1:10 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Matthew 23:37. the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. ( 1 Peter 1:11 ) .
IK Gul : Adam(pbuh) was there in the beginning with God. In the Heavens, God created Adam with His own hands and breathe the soul into Adam. Adam and Eve were sinless and pure before Satan tricked them to eat from the tree.. Jesus(pbuh) remained sinless and pure because he had resisted Satan's temptations.
Notice how most of those verses are from John. The last two verses you quoted in no way depict Jesus as Divine. John was the ONLY gospel that tried to imply Jesus was Divine when all the other gospels clearly depict him as a man
@@brokenSnake because he is man. But he is also God. 100% man and 100% God. So, yes, he is portrayed as God and as man. Because He is both. God doesn't live in the same 3-dimensional constraints that we do.
@@ChosenGen So Jesus is God,the Holy Spirit is God and God the father is God.But they are not 3 but they are one,right?They are co equal and co etternal.So why Jesus says that My father is greater than I,My father is greater than all.I dont see equality there.
Haha, the context explains it well enough, because after Jesus said “I am” the Jews picked up stones to throw at Him, because by saying that he made himself equal to God!
So Yahweh the jealous god who said to the Israelites “ Hear and Fear” and “ don’t take my name in vain. Is now getting chased by Jews?! Not only that but somehow he is trying to hide his identity which he wanted to be known throughout the globe!! The pieces don’t fit the puzzle.
which commandment did he break? war is not murdered and marriage is not adultery so what commandment did he break as proscribed by the Torah? don't give me your own i interpretation but judge him according to the Torah. using your logic then all the prophets did not follow the ten commandments including Jesus.
@@naser1109 Absolutely !!!!! God would run away and hide from stoning by proclaiming that he is god?? But he clearly said there are in Red letter bible Jesus own words that he's a messenger Even he used the word 'messenger, in below verse But still they have to keep on imagination and make different different meaning of his words and make him God John 12: 44-50 For I have not spoken on my own authority:the Father who sent me has commanded me what to say andwhat to speak. And I know that what he commands means eternal life. All that I say I speak only in accordancewith what the Father has told me." JOHN 13:16 and the messenger is not greater than the man who sent him
The mental gymnastics Shabir had to undertake in this video to try and prove his point was truly something incredible! Shabir, it's ok to say you have no answer at the moment, you even said that it's in reference to the Old Testament which is further than most Muslims actually go when trying to debunk the verse, but as with all attempting to refute this, it just plummets into literally just saying words for the sake of saying words.
As a Christian, I’ve always admired Dr. Shabir’s professionalism, intelligence, and his knowledge of the Bible. I pray that he and many Muslim brothers and sisters leave religion based on rituals and traditions and come into a personal-spiritual relationship with Christ founded on faith alone. You can have the same Holy Spirit that was in Jesus come reside in your heart if you ask your Heavenly Father for it. That is the real you! For it is no longer I that live, but Christ who lives in me. Greater is He that is in you than he that is of the world. Religion divides and controls people. Jesus despised religion and in fact, Jesus was sent for all the people of the world. No priest , no imam, no pastor, no sheikh. Jesus said you are the temple and your heart is where the Holy Spirit will reside.
Revelations 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. Nope, we won’t worship a god who pictures himself as a lamb with seven horns and with seven eyes ☺️
@@Kamal_M_Abed_ElRazek Prior to the coming of Christ the Jews would sacrifice a lamb on the day of atonement. This sacrifice was to ensure the remission of sins. The Lord Christ Yeshua brings completion and He sacrificed Himself as the sacrificial lamb. His sacrifice is the only blood sacrifice that is acceptable to the Father for the remission of sins. So He became the Pascal Lamb. God is Love.
Jesus is human, there is only one God, not Trinitarian God, God is perfect being immortal fully sufficient he forgives without blood shedding, understand that you Christinas, this is pagnism you took it from the Romans, son and Father, there is only one and only God, Jesus is a prophet
@@alialheneiti4267 First go and study quantum entanglement !! don't try to understand God's power with your carnal mind and most importantly see David Videos and learn first !! then you can argue with me !! after Christianity 700 years later came Islam and copied YAHWEH character from old testament and made Allah, so that's called paganism !! Jesus, holyspirit and Father are one !! like soul, spirit and body are one for us(humanbeing's), do u understand ?
@@vjp2866 @dz9n channel This is emotional talk that has no scientific basis، you Christinas have emotnal belief system, this is true and this the reason why the majority of Christinas in the Western countries are leaving their faith to Athesim, you will no clear evidence in your book about the divinity of Jesus, if it's the main doctrine that our salvation is based on why it didn't mention clearly in your book, and from logical point of view when you say the Father the son and the holy Spirit are one but in the same time the father isn't the son nor the holy Spirit, it's very confused, Jesus is sinless person he was born from a virgin mother we believe that but we don't accept he is God or he ever claimed to be, I wish you the best, SALAM
@@alialheneiti4267 For the record, Jesus indeed said he is God but when he was in human state he didn't ask to worship but his spirit(Father) in heaven. refer this ---> John 8:58, Revelation 22:13, John 14:9. Hope you get some relief from confusion. When the people say Jesus is not father or holyspirit, just read your own bible and know ! Jesus, Father and holy spirit works in one !! Like we have Body, Soul and spirit which works in one but God can separate himself and work in different dimension !!
@@vjp2866 it's very bad example when you say that the father, the son and the holy spirit like us as human, I have God's spirit you do and everyone does but the thing that you say that God became a human and change his attributes from a perfect being to an imperfect being human, This is a very long debate and apparently we have a very deviated perceptions, but what I believe that , I have a free well free mind and I can distinguish between what's wrong and right and I didn't inherit the sin of Adam, and Allah "Arabic trans of Yhwa and even Arab Christinas say Allah" can forgive without blood shedding
so a muslim told me that muslims dont believe in "spirits" and that God is not a spirit, and is a man. i asked this because we had a customer whose name is "Allah" and i asked why this wasnt considered disrespectful, that a man can be called "god"....the muslim said God is a man .....so if muslims believe God is a man, why do they think its impossible for Jesus to be God?
@@johntranvan2259 Do you think reading this verses Jesus was a God ? the father is always superior Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(A) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man,(A) then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 8:28 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?Matthew 27:46 By myself I can do nothing;(A) I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,(B) for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.John 5:30 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers(A) and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father(B) and your Father, to my God and your God.’”John 20:17 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup(A) be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”Matthew 26:39
They changed the bible, Quran confirms jesus was one of the messenger of ALLAH (GOD), and quran is the only book that still present in its actual form without man made changings. Also bibile was not sent in english language, there was no english back then, it was developed centuries after...
So you basically don't trust the writings of the people who ate and travelled with jesus to be truth but trust a source which was written 500 years after Jesus
Because they are blind! 2 Corinthians 4:4 “Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.”
Before Abraham was I am? That means Solomon and jeremiah and Melchizedek also is god (Solomon) Proverbs 8:23-27 23 I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. 24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water;(A) 25 before the mountains were settled in place,(B) before the hills, I was given birth,(C) 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth.(D) 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,(E) when he marked out the horizon(F) on the face of the deep, (jeremiah) ◄ Jeremiah 1:5 ► Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations. Melchizedek ◄ Hebrews 7:3 ► Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually Even many prophet's were before Abraham Even the father of Abraham was before Abraham
2 Corinthians 4 4 nlt 2 Corinthians 4:4 New Living Translation *4 Satan, who is the god of this world,* has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. Really is he god??
John 17: 21-24: Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. No matter how hard the Muslims nor the Jews try, Christ IS King
@@Shaunthebarber we can become ome with God, truly His Sons. But Jesus is the only Begotten Son. While Christians are truly God’s children, Jesus is the only one that is Begotten.
Jesus said to her, Do not put your hand on me, for I have not gone up to the Father: but go to my brothers and say to them, I go up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. The Bible is Clear it tells us nowhere that the jesus is equal to the father. Some unscrupulous people have tried to add a scripture to the Bible to support the trinity.
The reason he doesn’t say “I was “ and said instead “I am” is bc that’s what the Angel of the Lord/God/YHWH said to Moses in Exodus. He said “I AM WHO I AM…tell them I AM sent you” so Jesus said those words like that bc that’s what they knew from their God. Further in John they tried to stone him again bc they said HE A MAN MAKES HIMSELF GOD. THEY KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING AND JESUS KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING. youd think if He meant that he was just the son of God He would have just clarified in that moment but He didn’t say “what I meant was I am the son of God and I know Abraham bc God made him through me. I’m actually just the son” there he said the name God identified as in multiple parts of the Old Testament. Also in John Jesus says “Now I tell you that before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I AM HE” and that connects back to many times in Isaiah and hen God said stuff like “that you may know and believe and understand that I AM HE”, “that I am God. Indeed before the day was, I AM HE”, “even in your old age, I AM HE” and Jesus in the book of John said “I AM HE” n knocked over those guards by saying “I AM HE”. John simplified it “ in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” Jesus is God and He always was.
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!” Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19 In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?- The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
Aaron Henry Ishmael means god will hear, does that mean Ishmael is the all hearing god? Israel is the name given to Jacob by God which means god rules, does that mean Jacob is the all ruling God? we will all interpret things the way we want, we should look at things with an open mind and with the utmost respect we should not bicker and argue instead we should come together on common ground and learn to live in harmony
"When Jesus aid "I am" it was actually the flow of the Holy Spirit flowing out of Him in His Human spirit. That the trouble with us that we are deaf as well as blind Just like the Pharisees, they were deaf that they could not hear the Spirit speaking in the man's Jesus human spirit, and because they were deaf they were also blinded by the outward appearance of Christ, that Christ was outwardly a man but inwardly He had the Spirit of God in His spirit speaking through Him. That "Iam" only applies to the One true God, Allah, that the Great "I am" came in the man Jesus so that He could come to mingle Himself with His creation man to draw near to man. That it was not Jesus speaking on His own He had the Great who I am in Him dwelling in His human spirit. That why Christ said, "What I see the Father do I do, what I hear the Father speak I speak. That Christ was a man for the Holy Spirit to be incarnated into, who is God. That if God came to us as the Holy Spirit without going through incarnation, man would of die because we are unpure and sinful. That man is a vessel for God the Spirit to dwell in their human spirit that God and man become one for His expression and to reign with man here on Earth. This is the economy of God in His three persons, that He went through incarnation as the Father to beget the Son to live are human life to dispense Himself into man through His resurrection as the all-inclusive consummating life-giving Spirit. "May the God of Peace be with us all.
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!” Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19 In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?- The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
He meant that he was there before the earth. Moses asked, “what do I tell the people the name of God is?” and the Lord answered, “Tell them, I am that I am.” You are just denying the truth so you need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ
Abdelbarr Haroun I Am I the same so I Am that God showed to Moses so tell me what prophet comes with the name of God and not only that you are right know calling Jesus a lier
@Strelec John David I did exist in the knowlodge of God before my birth, so as jesus existed before his birth . Unless you say God didn't know me before i was born .and that's an impossibility for an all knowing powerful God.. So yes i could say 100%.. that before Abraham was on earth i was in God's knowlodge, Each person existed in the knowlodge of God before they physically were created .
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophecy determine by God before Adam(pbuh) was created. Some christian always try to exaggerate Jesus(Isa Ibn Mariam) pbuh. I found Ahmad deedat gave better answer of this question.
Jesus is the father, the universe, allah, shiva, whatever u want to call I'm, he is all that is, even if u dont know who you are, every cell in your body knows who they belong to. Jesus is all consuming, there is nothing outside of him, all that exists is within him.
It isn't far from the truth.. John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!” Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19 In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?- The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
@@greymustabelli1536 the bible is translated to multiple languages but if you are a muslim, you need to study Arabic to "understand better" but you can say the shahada in any langauge without full understanding of the religion... th-cam.com/video/qHSSkHrGakY/w-d-xo.html The Quran Is Better In Arabic- Excuse Given By Muslims th-cam.com/video/rigMARKrNDw/w-d-xo.html Why the Quran Was Revealed in Arabic (David Wood)
The strangest answer that i have ever heard. Strange because he simply refused to believed that JESUS IS GOD. He just circled around the question and ended up without a very clear answer.
Notice a few verses earlier Jesus said that he saw Abraham. He is going back to Genesis 18 where Abraham personally talked to God face to face. This could not have been the Father because the Father does not have a physical body, and if you stand in the presence of the Father, you can die. Do you recall what happened to Moses when he was in the presence of God in the burning bush? He was frightened because he knew that being in the very presence of The Father is enough to kill you. So if that was The Father talking to Abraham, why didn't he die? The only way you can understand this passage is if Jesus is God and that it was him who was eating with Abraham. So Shabir Ally you're wrong. Jesus was not just claiming to be ancient, he was claiming to be the divine figure who ate with Abraham in Genesis 18:1-10. There is absolutely no way that you can understand this passage correctly unless Jesus is God.
Second in very first chapter of Mark says that Jesus is God. Mark 1:1The begging of the gospel of Jesus Christ,the Son of God.2As it is written in Isaiah the prophet Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way. 3 the voice crying in the wilderness. Prepare the way if the Lord make his path straight. In the Septuagint version of Isaiah it actually says,Isaiah40:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight the paths of our God.While some textual variation in Mark the Son of God phrase is not some of early ones even we were to take it out. You still have of Mark 1:1-3 teaching that Jesus is God based on Isaiah 40:3.
Sorry not convincing enough . Jesus said this to jews who asked him you are not even 50 years old so how can u say u know Abraham . In response Jesus said before Abraham was I AM . Clearly indicating he was there with Father in heaven
In context, when Jesus said "before Abraham was I am", I believe he was referencing himself being the promised seed that was promised to Eve before Abraham. They wanted to stone him because he was claiming to be greater than Abraham, which is a big deal to the Jews who nearly worshipped him. John the Baptist said that they shouldn't think that just because Abraham was their father they should exalt themselves, which was their boast. The next chapter, the blind man Jesus heals also says "I am" which is the same phrase in Greek. All it means is "I am he" or "it's me". Jesus never says "I am that I am" Quote from a Unitarian Christian.
Go read John 8 :48-59 Jesus said he was God but he was hiding it. For example he said God above is the judge. Well the Revelation says that Jesus is the judge at the end of time for the living and the dead. Stop misunderstanding Jesus
kop pite so “God” is a coward and scared to say who he is? He can’t just say he is God. Interesting all the way through out the OT, God is one, God is one. Moses worshiped one God, so did his followers. They never believed in a trinity. Even when you read the NT of the 4 writers the first person quotes of Jesus, Christians seem to ignore all the Explicit clear verses that refute a trinity, but seem to hang onto Implicit ambiguous verses, that can be translated in many ways. That’s a type of hypocrisy.
@@finalprophet813 because the OT Jesus had not come but what did Jesus say? Before Abraham was, I AM. What did the prophets say about the coming Messiah? Be smart Jesus is the giver of life and that means God and that means I AM and many more titles referring to the creator. Even Mohamed after plagiarizing the bible and calling it koran he lied and told you David was a prophet but he did not hide that Jesus gave life to a bird that shows he is the giver of life. If you are too biased to leave islam then follow the giver of life Issa and follow his words. Thats all you need to do. Accept him as your saviour and ask him for eternal life he will lead you to heaven for he said you cant go to the father except by me
@@finalprophet813 John 13 13 You call me teacher and Lord.. rightly so. Those are the words from Jesus himself telling people they were right to call him Lord. Remember God said he doesnt share glory with any one
@@koppite9600 Teacher & Lord is a form of respect, where are you getting God from that? The British to this day have Lords, no one thinks of them otherwise. Read the whole passage, he continues to say: Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master,nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. Jesus was sent by God, therefor, he would be no greater than the one who sent him... = God sent him, not God.
" By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[fn] considered him faithful who had made the promise. And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore." - Hebrews 11:8-12
He got the answer. Jesus claims to be "ancient", or before Abraham existed. Regardless of anything else, now you must ask yourself... if Jesus existed before Abraham, although Jesus body was born through Mary, then Jesus is more than just a prophet or a messenger, especially being in existence before Abraham. Getting closer Shabir,
No he didnt. Your new translations changed the origianl enlgish translation from "before Abraham was, I am" to "before Abraham was, "I AM" ". Deceivers changed it but its not hidden, those of us who read the first english translation know the true word. You have a false version. I'm not a Muslim leading you away from Jesus but I hope to bring you to full knowledge of God and his Christ. "There is One God and one mediator between God and Man, the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransome for all to be testified in due time" .
1- 2:30 so what Jesus is an angel as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe people? 2- and as for the i am sayings lol which is it? 1st you're saying that that's not what Jesus meant and then later that that's not what Jesus said? 3 Explain John 13:34, a supersession of Leviticus 19:18 & Deuteronomy 6:5 cf Mark 12:34. What greater commandment could there be than 'Love one another as God loves you' ? 4 If you don't believe Jesus claimed divinity in the synoptic gospels, then explain how Jesus didn't say an equivalent of John 13:34 in the synoptic gospels albeit off-screen. Again, cf Mark 12:34. 5 How do Muslims (A) claim Jesus never claimed divinity based on Bart Ehrman who says Jesus DID claim divinity in the Gospel of John and then (B) don't say this when disputing John 8:58 'Before Abraham was, I am' cf John 8:44 or John 10:30 'I and the Father are one' cf John 10:26 ?
"That's all the time we have..." Who's cutting you off? This is youtube, take all the time you need to develop your point so it can be critically analyzed.
A non believer cannot understand the Bible. You have to be saved to accurately interpret the Bible. The only thing these people need it to hear the Gospel
Exodus 3:14 (ESV): God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ Thus, God Himself is using "I am" as a name for Himself ! In the very next verse, God says: "This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations." There is no getting around what Jesus was claiming.
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!” Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19 In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?- The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
It's quite funny that he just danced left and right and had no solid explanation, he finally ends with the typical Muslim saying of how do we know Jesus really said that.....lol
patrick eze because the bible is corrupted and changed by the churchfathers there are many parts of christianity and many bibles. Also the idea mother son and father is one god came later years later of the death of jesus. Paul is also seen as a betrayder and evil by the early christians by the time
Surah 3:54 - Allah Deceives the Muslims and the Christians SURAH 3:54 - ALLAH DECEIVES THE MUSLIMS AND THE CHRISTIANS Believe it or not, Allah deceives both the Muslims and the Christians in the Qur’an. What is damaging for Muslims is the fact that the Qur’an distinctly reveals that Allah deceived Muhammad with a false revelation. And Allah even admits to this deception in the Qur’an. The Qur’an clearly testifies that Allah is a deceiver. In this article we will reveal three accounts in the Qur’an which will prove irrefutably that Allah deceived: (1) Muhammad (2) The Muslims (3) The Christians.
Quran 3:54 says: And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners. Where does it says deceivers?? The arabic word for deceiver is مخادع The word used in the passage is ٱلْمَـٰكِرِينَ ??
Gospel of John was written 90-105 years after Jesus..all the extravagant and ambiguous claims comes from John.."I and my father"..who've seen me have seen the father. .God so love the world..that he gave his only etc..are not to be seen in the other three canonical..so Jesus was reviewed n painted in a way to please the Greek n the Roman.. Here is what Jesus says, he denies being God: "My Father is greater than I." [John 14:28] "My Father is greater than all." [John 10:29] "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [Mathew 12:28] "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [Luke 11:20] "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30] "Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me." [John 7:16] "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." [John 14:24] "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49] "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. [John 5:37]
Note: Father does not mean a literal father but here refers to God as the Bible says, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God”. Son of God is a figure of speech which many other Prophets were labeled with. In Psalms 2:7 David is the begotten Son of God. Jacob is God's firstborn son (Exodus 4:22) Solomon is God's son (2 Samuel 7:13-14) Ephraim is God's firstborn son (Jeremiah 31:9) [how many firstborns?] Adam is the son of God (Luke 3:38).
If somebody claims he's krishna, the Hindus would definitely recognize that he is claiming to be their God. The Great "I Am" is the God of Israelites. Jesus had been more specific in his Claim that he doesn't confuse people with himself being one among the many pagan Gods rather being the monotheistic God. Caesar declared himself to be God. Jesus could not be more clearer than this. The Jews instantly understood his claim and that's why they charged him of Blasphemy
Of course. Whenever something in the Bible is not in favor of Quran, then they say that Bible was changed. Also, if Christ claimed to be an angel, He would say ,,I was." Not ,,I am." The being that exists from eternity is only being that can claim something like ,,I am." And Christ said ,,I am." Because He is God!
God said I Am what I Am to Moses when Moses asked for his name... meaning, don't be concerned with my name but who I am. Go re-read the bible and not make up your own interpretation.
Yes it will be clear to you since you'd love the lie to sound truthful to you at all cost. But the thing is, no Muslim on earth is even close to capable of interpreting our own Bible for us. As even most Christians themselves are not able to decode it's manifold wisdom except he who is filled by the Holy Spirit. So yes, the fact that that blind answer was clear to you doesn't make it accurate either. Jesus is GOD!!!
GOD said unto moses, *I Am that I Am..* Exodus 3:7..) Jejus: I said unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I Am* he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
@@laltlanmawiachhangtemizo2437 Jesus was a Messenger of Allah peace be upon him Jesus is a human being. How can a man with a date of birth be God? How can God come down in human form so that would no longer make him God since the definition of God is to be Supreme and no One is compared to and is the King of all kings and none can match. He has been created like you and me have. Created. A created being cannot be The Creator. He will be in shock as to why you called him God or the son of God when instead he is the Messenger of Allah. He was a human who ate, drank, slept and went to the bathroom with which if he didn’t access these needs he would die. Does God need to rely on food and sleep and drink? How can someone say this?. On top of that Christianity also claims for him to be a Jew? How can he be Jewish?How can he be God or the son of God if he did all of that? And he literally came out of a womb so how can he be called the son of God or God? John 20:17 17Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,* for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. '” JESUS SAYS “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD” Does God now have a God? No, it is as clear as day through the verses of the bible that he is a slave of God, but not God himself Mark 13:32 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father If Jesus was God surely he should know the hour too which is such an important piece of knowledge that God possesses yet here it states he doesn't. He is the beloved Messenger of Allah may peace be upon Jesus. my friend think about what you’re saying. You’re saying God walked the earth as a man and ate and drank and slept and answered the call of nature? Then on top of that He was Killed by other men in human form? When we look at other humans we always say look how dumb or weak they are, so imagine putting God as the same creation as them. He showed us how to be good through sending messengers. Like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, Abraham and Jesus. Why would Jesus be an exception? All these other prophets came before Jesus peace be upon him. Were they wrong since they weren’t around during the time of Jesus? Quran verses [5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [5:78] Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and [habitually] transgressed.
@@chrislynn8026 Jesus was a Messenger of Allah peace be upon him Jesus is a human being. How can a man with a date of birth be God? How can God come down in human form so that would no longer make him God since the definition of God is to be Supreme and no One is compared to and is the King of all kings and none can match. He has been created like you and me have. Created. A created being cannot be The Creator. He will be in shock as to why you called him God or the son of God when instead he is the Messenger of Allah. He was a human who ate, drank, slept and went to the bathroom with which if he didn’t access these needs he would die. Does God need to rely on food and sleep and drink? How can someone say this?. On top of that Christianity also claims for him to be a Jew? How can he be Jewish?How can he be God or the son of God if he did all of that? And he literally came out of a womb so how can he be called the son of God or God? John 20:17 17Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,* for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. '” JESUS SAYS “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD” Does God now have a God? No, it is as clear as day through the verses of the bible that he is a slave of God, but not God himself Mark 13:32 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father If Jesus was God surely he should know the hour too which is such an important piece of knowledge that God possesses yet here it states he doesn't. He is the beloved Messenger of Allah may peace be upon Jesus. my friend think about what you’re saying. You’re saying God walked the earth as a man and ate and drank and slept and answered the call of nature? Then on top of that He was Killed by other men in human form? When we look at other humans we always say look how dumb or weak they are, so imagine putting God as the same creation as them. He showed us how to be good through sending messengers. Like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, Abraham and Jesus. Why would Jesus be an exception? All these other prophets came before Jesus peace be upon him. Were they wrong since they weren’t around during the time of Jesus? Quran verses [5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [5:78] Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and [habitually] transgressed.
I think he didn't explain clearly about what they are talking about. I AM is only used by God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob not others. This man is talking about something that he didn't know accurately about the true God.
Two problems here, when the lord was talking to moses, he said, "tell Israelites I AM has sent you", so I AM is the lord's name. And when Jesus said, before Abraham was I AM, in the very next verse people pick up stones to stone him. And in the previous verse he said Abraham saw my day and he rejoiced. So yeah he was claiming to be eternal. Who is eternal? Only one God. Muslims wake up, islam is false.
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Deception is sin Allah is a Deceiver this is one way you can tell that Allah is not the true God James 1:13-17 NKJV - Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
God is eternal, He has no beginning and no end, If he had a beginning or end, he would have said I was, but he said I am. Christians and the early apostles in AD.32-80 believed Jesus is God. See John.20:28 where Thomas calls Him my Lord and my God. The truth is set before you and its up to you to accept it. God does not have to conform to us but we have to conform to Him through righteousness in Christ Jesus.
Did Muhammad see Abraham? You can't rule out the fact that He is taking on the present not the future, "I will" or the past, "I was." Jesus is taking on titles nobody has ever taken. Is Jesus the Messiah in Islam?
Reagan Mulungi Rosales : Muhammad did saw Abraham, Adam, Moses, Jesus, John The Baptist, Joseph (p.b.u.them) on the historical night's journey Al isra' wal mi'raj..
Jesus turned to his disciple Peter and asked "Who do you say I am?" And Peter answered "You are the Christ, the son of the living God" (Matt. 16:13-20) Seems to me a pretty good time for Jesus to correct him if he was in fact God, but he did not. In fact Jesus never said he was God. But he did say he was a son of God and he told the woman at the well he was also the foretold Messiah.
John recorded what Jesus actually said. It wasn't his duty to portray Jesus however he wanted to, but how Jesus revealed Himself. How does Jesus being "ancient" not prove Him being God? How else can Jesus be older than the day He was born? He is in fact the Ancient of Days!
I wonder why Jews tried to stone Jesus in the next verse if Jesus just claimed himself to be a mere "Ancient CREATURE"...and to be honest I really find Dr.Shabir's face showing it hard to answering that question and making the words spill all over the place. Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:57-59 NKJV Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 10:32-33 NKJV
Matthew 28:9, KJV: And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
And while they were on their way, our master Jesus (peace be upon him) suddenly appeared before them and addressed them saying: “Peace be upon you both!” So they approached him and grabbed his feet, bowing. Matthew 28:9 TMA
If Jesus was a Muslim prophet why did he teach a Christian message? Why did allah mislead Jesus followers so that they can follow the largest false religion (Christianity) Where does Jesus say that I'm just a prophet don't worship me?
@@brokenSnake but, people still worshipped him. Even the angels during his birth, also the demons feared him. He accepted worship and did not say,"Don't worship me! I'm just a man."
@@lilBananaClip That's in John 14:28, where Jesus is about 30 years old in human form. So I just mentioned human form and what that means is that Jesus wasn't in God form so therefore, He's not as powerful as God; He has to be in His God form to be equal to God. Jesus was even weaker than an angel since He was in human form to come to seek and to save the lost. Since you're throwing a verse out without understanding why Jesus said that, I'll tell you this: Qur'an 33:56-Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! Allah prays for Muhammad (piss be upon him)? I thought Allah is supposed to be your great creator and all he has to do is just say a magic word and things will happen. Who's Allah and his angels praying to?
The meaning of what Jesus was saying was so clear to the Jews that they started to pick up stones to stone him, (probably to death). He claimed to be God so clearly that it was worthy of execution on the spot.
Gospel of John was written 90-105 years after Jesus..all the extravagant and ambiguous claims comes from John.."I and my father"..who've seen me have seen the father. .God so love the world..that he gave his only etc..are not to be seen in the other three canonical..so Jesus was reviewed n painted in a way to please the Greek n the Roman.. Here is what Jesus says, he denies being God: "My Father is greater than I." [John 14:28] "My Father is greater than all." [John 10:29] "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…." [Mathew 12:28] "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…." [Luke 11:20] "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30] "Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me." [John 7:16] "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." [John 14:24] "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49] "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. [John 5:37]
Note: Father does not mean a literal father but here refers to God as the Bible says, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God”. Son of God is a figure of speech which many other Prophets were labeled with. In Psalms 2:7 David is the begotten Son of God. Jacob is God's firstborn son (Exodus 4:22) Solomon is God's son (2 Samuel 7:13-14) Ephraim is God's firstborn son (Jeremiah 31:9) [how many firstborns?] Adam is the son of God (Luke 3:38).
@@alanjohnson267 it's interesting how most of your quotes actually support the divinity of Jesus. Let's do the following - if by any of those quotes the negates that he is God, then by negating the quotes it would look like he is God, right? (basic logic) Example "I cast out devils not by the Spirit of God". How does that look to you?
Christian explain this for me, if the sentence "before abraham was, i am" proofs Jesus is god, why didnt he say "before Adam was, i am" shouldnt that more proof that jesus is god, befoee human kind even exist since we all know, God, Allah subhaana wa ta'aala is internal always been and always will be.
What is the meaning of the word Abraham, the world Abraham means the father of multitudes , the father of nations , the high father , all these terms figuratively may refer to Adam , this means spiritually YESHUWAH meant before the existence of the high father , before the the existence of the father of many nations and before the existence of the father of maltitudes he existed
Lete try to explain, when Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM", He meant He is the very same God that told Moses His name was I AM WHO I AM and that I AM has sent him (Moses). The Jews clearly understood what Jesus said and they thought Jesus committed a blasphemy by saying He is God, that's why they were trying to stone Him. So, Jesus claimed to be God in this passage and He definitely is God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords
@@lynxszn3541 man, that was the strongest claim Jesus got on godhood. It's gonna be a hard case for you, boss, so if you want to back out, you can do it
I see that he has some difficulty in explaining what that phrase mean bcs the phrase itself is so clear cut Jesus exist before Abraham. How do you explain that.? That means he is eternity. Then he deflected by saying didn't know whether Jesus really did said that. Typical Islam apologetic.
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Why did they accuse him of blasphemy and pick up stones to kill him after he said "I am"?
Because he made a statement that only God should make
@@fearfullymade5115 Exactly, they new Jesus was saying He's God.
@@jwd1776 so as soon as he said he was god people tried to kill him ? When you said that did you really read it again before pressing the send button and see if that makes any sense
If you believe that verse in that jesus is god then that means that god is not the all powerful and god forgets .
God is not the all powerful cuz surprisingly his own creation decided to crucify him and he couldn’t do nothing about it , now sure christians will say it was his choice to be crucified but if it really was jesus wouldn’t have said oh god what have you put me in help me .
And God being forgetful is due to the passage where jesus was looking at a fig tree from a far but then when came close to it he found out that the tree has no figs in it making him strike and curse it .
I can also give another example is where the bible mentions that the hour is not known by anyone but the father not the son nor the angels only the father knows but wait a minute doesn’t the Bible state that before Abraham was Iam 😂.
The examples that I mention shows that the understanding of the verse is not correct and is inconsistent with other verses of the bible .
To any Christian that read my whole comment just think about your faith don’t take it blindly risking an entire afterlife just because (that was what taught to you ) . You only live once just read the Quran you never know you might understand the meaning of God and how he is different from us . Have a good day
@@Ob-yh7df So why did the want to kill Jesus after He said the I Am?
While being tempted, Jesus also says “Again it is written, thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God”
Thau shall not tempt the Lord thy God, does it means Jesus said he was god?
But, what has prevented Jesus to say in Just one verse that "I am God in human form".. in his whole life he never said that.
Why couldn't he say it clearly. But rather saying the opposite more often.. he even said "why call me good?, there is only one that is good, that is God"(Mrk 10:17-18).. why are you pushing words in his mouth.. why why why
@@isaahmohammed1864 Does he ever say “I am a Muslim”?
@@isaahmohammed1864 He also said “I and the Father are one”
@@luckyclaravallSo he’s only 2? Where’s the Holy Spirit? You have to keep making things up to justify your emotional investment in your beliefs
@@luckyclaravallwell he didn’t speak Arabic so probably not mate
The answer sounds great to a person who never read Bible,but not to a person who read and understand Bible...
May God open your eyes to see the truth.
Tell is the turth ,
Whre jesua said I'm God,
Because if he said before Abraham iam , this means he was before Abraham,
I wanna ask you , was jesus the first of creatures ?
And if so . Does that make him God. ?
@@allahsservant8622 He claimed attributes only due to YHWH.
He said Honor me like you honor father.
He is the Word,the good shepherd.
Read the book of Revelation..He said i am the beginning and the end.
What else you need.
@@Vinann-yz7um
Who wrote revelation ?
And what is revelation ?
Isn't a dream of an anonymous man ?
Plus how can you just simple refer to the bible while the bible itsel needs some evidence ?
@@allahsservant8622 Everything was created through Jesus,and nothing was created except through Him..John 1:3
Jesus is the creator not created.
@@Vinann-yz7um
You quote me revelation which is a dream on anonymous person and you tell me what else do i need ?
Are serious ?
I wish once in my life to talk to a logical christian.
My friend. You need to prove jesus spoke these words before you qoute them, if you can't give any evidence that jesus said so . Then there is no need for you quoting the new testament. Cause it isn t an authentic source that can be examined.
If you need to have a clue of how God talk about himelf here you have it :
إِنَّنِيٓ أَنَا ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّآ أَنَا۠ فَٱعۡبُدۡنِي وَأَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ لِذِكۡرِيٓ
Indeed, I am Allah . There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.
-Sura Ta-Ha, Ayah 14
So why don't you worship the lord who is telling you clearly I'm your God and you leave all this to go search for (before Abraham was Iam)
Your answer is not convincing though. If you read the whole context then you will understand what Jesus was saying.
Zeeshan Daud, That's what they excel in! Cherry picking verses and interpreting it wrongly to prove that Islam is a superior religion. What a tragedy that Islam needs the Bible to defend their religion!
@@SilentValley2023 jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
That's why JESUS said... I AM (because his soul already created long before Abraham was born)
Wallahu'alam
@@justwrite11 Very Interesting!!
Let me explain it what the verse you quoted is all about:-
" Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."- Jeremiah 1:5
Then the word of the Lord came to me:: Jeremiah had a personal encounter with the Lord. He was apparently raised in a godly, priestly home - yet he had to have a personal encounter with God and His word.
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you... I ordained you a prophet to the nations::Jeremiah was already a young man, but God wanted him to know that his call went back even further than his youth. Jeremiah existed in the mind and plan of God before he ever existed in his mother's womb. God told Jeremiah this so that he could walk in God's pre-ordained plan by his own will.
i. This information wasn't given just to interest Jeremiah or to entertain him. It was given so that he would know God's will, be encouraged by that, and therefore align his will with God's revealed will.
ii. "St. Paul speaks of his own call to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles in similar terms (Galatians 1:15-16)." (Clarke)
iii. Ancient Jewish legends say that Jeremiah was so called that he was born circumcised and that he came out of the womb prophesying. In fact, as the legend goes, in his out-of-the-womb prophecy he complained of the faithlessness of his mother. When she protested, he had to explain that he meant "mother" as a symbol for Jerusalem.
A prophet to the nations:: Jeremiah’s focus us upon Judah in the last decades before the Babylonians conquered it. Yet his work as a prophet was not only for Judah, but also for the nations.
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@@SilentValley2023 ALL CREATION CREATED IN HIS OWN IMAGE
JOHN 1:1
In the beginning was the WORD, the word was with God and the word was God..
" Word is not God because " *Word WITH God*
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.
*Word WAS created in God's image*
Example; i am a king, i gave my crown to you.. It doesn't make you a king, but *the crown was mine*
john 1:14 And the *Word was made flesh*, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
*JESUS = WORD IN FLESH*
John 1:15
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, *He that cometh after me* is preferred before me: *for he was before me.*
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"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah 1:5
@Muhammed around april I became a muslim ,but yeah I may as well delete that comment to not confuse anyone lol
Don't believe everything your Islamic leaders tell you
Jesus claimed to be God, received worship reserved for God, and was called God by others while affirming they were right MULTIPLE TIMES
John 20:27-29 - Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
Mark 2:27-28 - Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man IS LORD even of the Sabbath.” (We know Yahweh (Old Testament title for God) is the Lord of the Sabbath; Jesus calls Himself Yahweh)
John 1:1-2; 14 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD. He was in the beginning with God... 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 5:18 - For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD.
John 10:30 - “I and the Father ARE ONE.” (Jesus said that He and God are one... Please don't ignore this)
John 14:8-9 - Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? HE WHO HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
John 13:14-15 - If I then, THE LORD and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.
Isaiah 9:6 - For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (You see, even the Old Testament prophesied that the Messiah was God).
Who is the ‘I AM’?
It is God’s revealed name in the Old Testament book of Exodus:
Exodus 3:14 - God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”
1) He identifies himself with the name of God.
2) He doesn’t say I was, but I am. So he was pre-existent before Abraham and has not changed his Godly essence since then.
Who is the ‘First and the Last’?
Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the FIRST AND I AM THE LAST; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD.”
Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him (Jesus), I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
Who is allowed worship?
Deuteronomy 6:13 - You shall fear only the Lord your God; and you shall WORSHIP HIM AND SWEAR BY HIS NAME.
Matthew 28:9 - And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and WORSHIPED Him.
Matthew 14:33 - And those who were in the boat WORSHIPED HIM, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”
Luke 24:50-52 - And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven. And they, after WORSHIPING Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy
Who did John the Baptist prepare the way for?
Matthew 3:1-3 - Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said,
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of THE LORD, Make His paths straight!’”
- John had prepared the way for Jesus, THE LORD (which is the title applied to God in the Old Testament)
@@michaal105 Jesus never claimed once to be God. The verses after John 10:30 explains clearly what he meant by “I and my father are one”. Jesus clearly stated that “My father is greater than I” (John 14:28) and “Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone.” Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19 and Matthew 19:17
Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
May i know., In this pharase why Jesus never deny it and said to Thomas that he is not
God, if he just a prophet means?why he did accepted that worship when Thomas said my lord n My God?
The prophet Jeremiah was pre-existent in a figurative manner. Jesus was pre-existant in a person, concious manner. That is made evident in Phillipians 2:6-7 where it says
"though he [Jesus] was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men."
Notice what it says: He emptied himself. This implicates that the Son had a conscious pre-existence, and that Him becoming incarnate was His own doing. It does NOT say "God emptied him, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men."
“I Am who I Am” it’s a name that God revealed to Moses and “I Am” is the name that God told Moses to tell Israelites
@يوسف محسن its a Statement of "Supreme Personhood", therefore Jesus is obviously saying that he has the same Authority as God the Father.
@يوسف محسن No no no that is the English translation. The original language was most definitely be referring to the creator. IL is a translation or transliteration into English and other languages but that is not at all what the original language was Saying. The translation or transliteration try the best to make it as close as possible. When the God or creator says to Moses on top of a mountain were no one is a round fat the you call me I am that I am . Everywhere you look and everything you see is because I am all that there is and there is nothing else other than me which is I am the creator of everything . You need to go back and look at the original meaning and not the English translation of I am. If I tell you Allah is the IM Creek 8 or M master of everything and the past frezza n't in future and everything there happens is because I am existing. Don't you understand I am existing and because I am existing you can call me Allah or you can come me God or you can call me what you wish but at the end of every single moment you need to realize IM the everything that is created everything before and I continue creating and I am in control of everything therefore I am over the world and universe therefore I am. If this doesn't make sense than brother I am very sorry that you do not understand that there's no difference because if God soeurs I am everything I am everything you can imagine and I am everything this happen in the past the present and future. There is no one else but me because IM everything is was being said but please please go back and look at the original and language and just for you information your creator doesn't only speak Arabic or Hebrew but he speaks every language in the world and even the angels haven't language of their own
@يوسف محسن who says it is not a name..like my name is samuel and I can say samuel is what samuel is..in the same way God is saying I AM WHAT I AM means that God telling his name to moses
@Luiz Do you think reading this verses Jesus was a God ? the father is always superior
Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(A) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man,(A) then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 8:28
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?Matthew 27:46
By myself I can do nothing;(A) I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,(B) for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.John 5:30
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers(A) and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father(B) and your Father, to my God and your God.’”John 20:17
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup(A) be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”Matthew 26:39
@Luiz so I question you again according to the Bible,who’s great the father or Jesus ?
Sorry don't find this convincing. Jesus said that way because He wanted to convey something very important to them.
That's why they wanted to stone Him. They didn't want to stone Him cause He said, "I am the good shepherd" they wanted to stone Him cause He likened Himself to God and used the name of God to refer to Himself.
Nice theology man!😀
Yep. The jew understood the what Jesus was saying. They wanted to stonned him because he elevated Himself same as God.
Muslim try to misquote Jesus because they do not undestand the old testament and twist His word to support their own theology.
@NTBs he doesnt say that He is weak. But Jesus is the WORD of God that enter into the creation as a man, cannot do anything againts the Father. As your hand cannot do anything againts your brain. Becase He is united with GOD.
In the old testamen, the jewish bible, the WORD is a title given to the incarnation of God into creation. Everytime that God interact with human, it was always called as the WORD (LOGOS (greek) / DAVAR (Hebrew)
Choice Meat Randy the bible is corrupted because of the chiurchfathers
@NTBs he said that to confuse people like you lol ... Jesus clearly did things that he wanted, that is, he healed people who would not have been healed if it was not by him or his divine knowledge (woman with bleeding issue).
Besided the answer already given, we dont really know the true meaning (the divine has to agree to things to do them), what we know is at the moment, as human he could nothing except by God's power...
The Koran makes the assertion that Jesus never died on the cross. That should be enough for anybody serious about history.
Give from an authentic source that jesus died on the cross for resumption,
When i say authentic source that means known people and eye witnesses ,
The new testament is not written by eye witnesses nor was it written in the time of jesus ,
Do you have any other source outside the bible ? Which was by a known historian who witnessed the crucifixion?
Someone who lived at the time of Christ,
If you don't . You are the one who is supposed to be ashamed to talk about something which you have no evidence of .
@@allahsservant8622 It's written in Quran about Jesus resurrection, read your holy book first. Increase you faith in God that's what matters. I am glad your name is Allah's Servant not slave.
@@allahsservant8622 first of all the Bible is literally the only documents you can accurately go off of. Second, how the hell can you say that they are bad because it was written around 20 years later but completely disregard the fact that the Quran was written 600 years later by a heretic?
@@jomon35 Do tell where this is written sir.
@@jomon35All prophets are slaves to God.
"Others have said"... Thats enough to prove he doesn't have a clue. It is the same I AM that God spoke to Moses... There is no "others have said" when talking scripture.
Basically he don't have the answer and try to drown the passage with very obscure extrabiblical arguments.
Jesus said that he shared the glory with the Father before the world began.
He claimed to be the Son of Man, which is a divine title. Jews even accused him of making himself God.
Jesus also claimed to be THE way, THE truth and THE life, a claim that no other than God can make.
Jesus claimed that him and the Father are one.
Etc...
Shabir Ally is disingenuous when it comes to the authors of the Bible but yet use a fallacious approach on the obvious Quranic flaws regarding genealogy, scientic claims, tawhid, etc...
Before Abraham was, I am. I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. I am the bread of life. I am the good Shepard. I am the word. I am the resurrection and the life. Everything Jesus said, he became.
Jesus is human, there is only one God, not Trinitarian God, God is perfect being immortal fully sufficient he forgives without blood shedding, understand that you Christinas, this is pagnism you took it from the Romans, son and Father, there is only one and only God, Jesus is a prophet
@@alialheneiti4267 Jesus is not a prophet. He is the Messiah, he is the son of God. He is sinless as his blood is pure, his mother was a virgin and his father is the Lord God.
@@madhurjya9301 dream on
Jesus never said that he is a prophet even when people asked them to.
John had written that for he who loves the world so much that he give his only begotten son who is also god that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life. Jesus didn't came to this world to condemn but to free people.
@@madhurjya9301 you mean the dream that John had
"Before Abraham was, I am". After this passage of the Gospel, we have : " So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." . They understood what he claimed to be (God) and it was an outrage for jews.
The people understood what he was saying, so, they reacted accordingly. That means that the muslims don't understand what Jesus was saying...
Jesus is human, there is only one God, not Trinitarian God, God is perfect being immortal fully sufficient he forgives without blood shedding, understand that you Christinas, this is pagnism you took it from the Romans, son and Father, there is only one and only God, Jesus is a prophet
@@alialheneiti4267 Who told you so?
@@alialheneiti4267 Deuteronomy 6:4 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!
@@dz9nchannel109 yes I a gree but when he said " our Lord" he means himself as well he prayed to the Father so he's not God he's a miracle he's a sinless person, but can't be God and the verse you brought had provided it
@@alialheneiti4267 Uh! You did not read the verse. I quoted that from the Torah not from the Injeel. Muslim misunderstand what the oneness of God means, because they refer to God has a person or Allah as a person.
If you read the torah, you would know that married people are one (1+1=1)
But one in what??
The problem is the quran does not present the same picture of God as the torah or the bible. The God I know is alive, he is a Father, he is my creator. I know the God with whom I have a relationship, with whom I can talk to like a friend. Not some tyrant in whose eyes I am nothing but a slave.
ONCE YOU GET TO KNOW THE GOOD WHO CREATED LOVE, LIFE BECOMES MEANINGFUL
John 8: 58 Yahshua is simply saying Before Abraham was born He already existed. Bless you.
@Lenny SB why are you so blinded ?
@@johnneikung5688 hi, speak your facts first. attacking an individual speaks less of your argument... That's if you have one.
Enoch and Noah came before Abraham, so how is Jesus a god?
If jesus claimed to be God on that verse then in verse 59 jesus fled because the son of satan wanted to kill him,,
What?
He knew that he was the God in verse 58 but yet he fled to the son of satan??
I think this is a blasphemy to think that God afraid to the son of satan,,
In a few seconds after jesus anounced that he was God,,he tried to escaped to save his life to the son of satam?
What??
Was he forgot verse 58 that he knew that he was God??
Seriously??
Nhordz G Diamal
Huhhhh
Verse 59 says “ when he said this they picked up stones to kill him. But Jesus hid himself. He slipped away from the temples area.
So where in this verse did he run from Satan? Where in this verse does it say he ran in general? Exactly nowhere to be found.
2:30, exactly, that is why the I AM is so important. He doesn’t say, I was, he says before Abraham was I AM. He literally says in the simplest was possible that he has always existed and will always exist. He can never not be. He Is. Because he is God.
Was Jesus begotten or no?
@@elmajraz6019 no, because Jesus IS.
@@lo2246 but he was begotten, right?
@@elmajraz6019 his human nature was begotten, u r true, but his divine nature wasn't, he is one with the Father and was with Him in the beginning of time. Jesus was 100% human and 100% devine at the same time
@@lo2246 so the human nature of Jesus that was begotten and died on the cross is not God then.
Furthermore, you are wrong. Jesus was begotten Son of God, so even his divine nature was begotten and had a beginning. Someone who has a beginning, is not God.
So both the human nature, and the divine nature, of Jesus Christ are not God. God the Son is not God at all, because only God the Father is, the Only True God.
Shabir's answer makes no sense. What Jesus meant was that he is God and he exists since the beginning. Even Before the world was created. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his
glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
Faran Javed yup! Exodus 3:14 God clearly calls him self I AM
John 1:14 ---> Not something Jesus said. Jesus was being challenged and argued with by the Pharisees. Basically, he's probably referring to Jeremiah 1:5. Jesus was referencing the old testament. This is evident after he said in John 10:30, "I and the father are one". Many Christians used this to say Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews stoned him, and said that he's claiming to be God. So Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:2 "I said, "'You are Gods"; You are all sons of the most high"
So, when you say "Only Son", you're not referring to something Jesus said.
More circular reasoning based on Islamic ignorance of the hypostatic union...
the son of man is not god according to fake bible
Jesus also said : no one comes to the Father but through Me. .. This is authoritative. No one can comes to GOD except through JESUS , Son of GOD. .. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,
A man is saved when he keeps the commandments of God and not just accepting Jesus
Felix Hu : No one comes back to God without being dead first.. Mankind came from soil and will goes back to soil which means being dead first, before the soul returns back to God.
Felix Hu Jesus also said except you believe that I am he you will die in your sin. Jesus also said no man shall see the kingdom of GOD unless you are born again, and in acts 2:38 it shows exactly how to be born again not just believing on Jesus but being born again of the water and spirit and living what's called a holiness life which emplies following the commandments through Jesus Christ/GOD. Jesus also said one cannot serve 2 masters, your either with me or against me.
He also said: "I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel". Meaning he did not intent this to the the world. He also said to his disciples: "Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5-6
Anywhere in the bible does Allah(swt) say to worship Jesus(pbuh)?
You either believe in what Jesus said or not. You can't believe what a man 600 years later came and said. He changed Jesus like so many other religions/cults. The Quran calls Jesus the word of God, the spirit of God and the messiah. Open your eyes my Muslim brothers and sisters! The Quran also says the people of the book have the truth..... Jesus is the way, the truth and the life! Please open your eyes before it's too late!
Prince Of Dubai is the word of Allah (God) eternal?
Prince Of Dubai also what does Jesus being the spirit of God mean to you and how do you describe the word messiah?
Prince Of Dubai Also if Yeshua Is the son of Mary who is his father? It's a biological fact that blood is only carried in the sperm and not the egg so where did Yeshua get his blood from and who was his father?
Prince Of Dubai so the father of Yeshua is the spirit of God?
Prince Of Dubai You are changing your mind? Either Yeshua is the son of God (Gods spirit) or the son of an angel. Which is it?
If it was a grammar then Jesus would tell before Abraham I was. Not Before Abraham was, I am. Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life. He is God. Trinity cannot be understood by people who are not born again or at least unless God speaks light unto their heart.
Abinash Biswal lol you dont have knowledge about your own relligion trinity came years later after the death of Jesus pbuh. This was claimed by one of the church fathers they corrupted the bible and changed it. There are also so many parts of christianity and many bibles
@@OfficialDenzy It didn't, Jesus himself mentions father and the holy spirit, these 3 are considered the holy trinity
Matt P yes it did look at videos of tovia singer. Do some reaseachr btw tovia singer is a rabbi. And if u think that judaism is more related to christianity then islam then you’re fault why do you thyibk jews can go to a mosque and not enter a churche. Because we believe in one god. Even rabbis claiming that islam is more related to judaism and that there are few differences
Matt P also there were christians who believed jesus was a prophet and the messiah but not god these groupe was named the ebionites and also hated Paul. Many of the esrly christians hated Paul only his followers loved him
Matt P
th-cam.com/video/ezuL-rxHlsk/w-d-xo.html this is an video how it became there are even other vids / website too look forward this is also historical proven so dont think its fake my brother
It then says the Jews tried to stone Him; so clearly the Jews understood what He was saying ..
exactly
Jews were trying to kill him for every little thing. The question is what was Jesus's response to them when they said he was blaspheming?
@@smmaisthewayNot quite for every little thing. It was heated discussion, at moments with mocking, but "I Am" was the word that pushed the button.
@@IvanSam1 that sentence doesn't make any sense. He said "Before Abraham was, God" lol so he didn't claim anything in that sentence
@@smmaistheway the context says otherwise
He also says “I and the Father are One”
He mentioned that he and the disciples are one too 😁
@@TheIndianTree where did he claim to be God?! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@emich7208 Timothy calls Jesus "My lord and God."
@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 in John 6:14, John 9:40, in Matthew 21:11 and many more verses, many people called Jesus a prophet.
And Jesus himself said in John 17:3 that the only true God is the father.
Neither he claimed he was God, nor all those people who met him and saw his miracles said he was, they actually said he was a prophet. 😊
@@emich7208read john 17 5
Jesus literally said "i am" which he Jews understood and that is why was he stoned. He would not have been stoned if He was just calling himself old.
It will help if you read the full context. Jesus very clearly distinguishes between himself and Father God - multiple times - who sent him. The other Jews also know of and refer to God the Father, often adonai. He angered them because he not only knew their teachings but powerfully demonstrated them in a way that threatened their merely philosophical understanding and cultural approach.
~peace~
@@IAmLovesLight lol, john 5:16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.The Authority of the Son
john 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father[e] does, that the Son does likewise. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. 16:15 Everything that belongs to the Father is Mine
@PURDES lol, silly, the Bible wasn't originally written in american !!
@PURDES we did preserve it! :) In what's Called Strong's Concordance. It's a book which cross references with the original Greek or Hebrew! It's actually super cool. For every Biblical version there is a corresponding Lexicon which defines every word and every phrase in the Bible. Anything that doesn't perfectly translate to English can be referenced to see what the original wording and definition and cultural context was!
@PURDES Haha correct! Haha but Aramaic is Hebrew! So yes it's written in Aramaic and spoken in hebrew. When it's written it's called Aramaic but when it's spoken it's called Hebrew. It's like how the Japanese use han text, or how English and Spanish use the same alphabet.
When your mom knocks on the door and before opening you ask “ who is this” and you hear words “It’s me”. Your mom doesn’t need to tell her her name or her identity at all because you know your mom voice, same way those who are not his sheep will not hear his voice nor know his voice. John 10:27
Your child: "Who is this?"
Mesh Raee el pōōpy: "I am."
Your child, suddenly became Jewish: Well, you're dēad, mother, for blāsphēmy.
@@elmajraz6019 what
He doesn’t say “it’s me” he says “I Am” which is to say YHWH
@@gustavofring9013 he didn't say I AM, he said I am, which is to say he was already existing since Abraham, in fact, since Adam himself.
@@elmajraz6019 So you admit that the SON has always existed?
Jesus say if you’ve see me you’ve see the father , I and My father are one .
in John 17:11, Jesus calls himself and his Disciples as One. I guess there are 15 gods in the trinity.
@Zack Shafi that context was about the invisible church nice try
This is fake .. don't have manuscript from Jesus 🤣
If u see all around u, its a god creation. Even oxysgen u cant see. How come u want see real god.
@@SpecialistFXHD It says "That they may be one as we are one". So good try but we are one as God and his Son are. Yet you are not me and i am not you.
He didn't know how to answer the question hence the insufficiency of the answer.
I hope you did not smoke matekwane(weed). Jesus knew everything.
@@pitsonamane5356 , Your comment is inappropriate and out of place. Prehaps you made a mistake, prehaps you didn't. Yet I have the only comment and you the only response at the moment. If intended towards me clarity is needed for me to judge your seemingly offensive message (if invoked toward me).
@@ahmahtiyehudim7307 I am really sorry I offended you. I thought it was just a joke. I am really sorry I hope you forgive me. Sorry again.
GOD said unto moses, *I Am that I Am..* Exodus 3:7..)
Jejus: I said unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I Am* he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Did Jesus exist in the beginning with God?
before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 8:58
John 17:5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning
John 8:24-25
This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'
John 1:30
He also says, "In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Hebrews 1:10
Hebrews 1:2
John 1:10
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 23:37.
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
( 1 Peter 1:11 ) .
IK Gul : Adam(pbuh) was there in the beginning with God. In the Heavens, God created Adam with His own hands and breathe the soul into Adam. Adam and Eve were sinless and pure before Satan tricked them to eat from the tree.. Jesus(pbuh) remained sinless and pure because he had resisted Satan's temptations.
Notice how most of those verses are from John. The last two verses you quoted in no way depict Jesus as Divine.
John was the ONLY gospel that tried to imply Jesus was Divine when all the other gospels clearly depict him as a man
@@brokenSnake because he is man. But he is also God. 100% man and 100% God. So, yes, he is portrayed as God and as man. Because He is both. God doesn't live in the same 3-dimensional constraints that we do.
Jesus is God whether you like it or not.
@@ChosenGen So Jesus is God,the Holy Spirit is God and God the father is God.But they are not 3 but they are one,right?They are co equal and co etternal.So why Jesus says that My father is greater than I,My father is greater than all.I dont see equality there.
Basically he can say anything. Whatever he jokes about might become word or already word.
Haha, the context explains it well enough, because after Jesus said “I am” the Jews picked up stones to throw at Him, because by saying that he made himself equal to God!
So Yahweh the jealous god who said to the Israelites “ Hear and Fear” and “ don’t take my name in vain. Is now getting chased by Jews?! Not only that but somehow he is trying to hide his identity which he wanted to be known throughout the globe!! The pieces don’t fit the puzzle.
@@naser1109 do sometime listen to christian apologies hope one day you will b able to understand the love of God...
@@naser1109 if Muhammad is a prophet and believe in the God of Moses.... why didn't he follow, the ten commandments given by God himself to Moses?
which commandment did he break?
war is not murdered and marriage is not adultery
so what commandment did he break as proscribed by the Torah?
don't give me your own i interpretation but judge him according to the Torah.
using your logic then all the prophets did not follow the ten commandments including Jesus.
@@naser1109 Absolutely !!!!! God would run away and hide from stoning by proclaiming that he is god?? But he clearly said there are in Red letter bible Jesus own words that he's a messenger Even he used the word 'messenger, in below verse But still they have to keep on imagination and make different different meaning of his words and make him God
John 12: 44-50 For I have not spoken on my own authority:the Father who sent me has commanded me what to say andwhat to speak. And I know that what he commands means eternal life. All that I say I speak only in accordancewith what the Father has told me."
JOHN 13:16 and the messenger is not greater than the man who sent him
The mental gymnastics Shabir had to undertake in this video to try and prove his point was truly something incredible! Shabir, it's ok to say you have no answer at the moment, you even said that it's in reference to the Old Testament which is further than most Muslims actually go when trying to debunk the verse, but as with all attempting to refute this, it just plummets into literally just saying words for the sake of saying words.
As a Christian, I’ve always admired Dr. Shabir’s professionalism, intelligence, and his knowledge of the Bible. I pray that he and many Muslim brothers and sisters leave religion based on rituals and traditions and come into a personal-spiritual relationship with Christ founded on faith alone.
You can have the same Holy Spirit that was in Jesus come reside in your heart if you ask your Heavenly Father for it. That is the real you! For it is no longer I that live, but Christ who lives in me. Greater is He that is in you than he that is of the world.
Religion divides and controls people. Jesus despised religion and in fact, Jesus was sent for all the people of the world. No priest , no imam, no pastor, no sheikh. Jesus said you are the temple and your heart is where the Holy Spirit will reside.
did you become muslim? its been 3 years.
Revelations 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth.
Nope, we won’t worship a god who pictures himself as a lamb with seven horns and with seven eyes ☺️
@@Kamal_M_Abed_ElRazek Prior to the coming of Christ the Jews would sacrifice a lamb on the day of atonement. This sacrifice was to ensure the remission of sins.
The Lord Christ Yeshua brings completion and He sacrificed Himself as the sacrificial lamb.
His sacrifice is the only blood sacrifice that is acceptable to the Father for the remission of sins.
So He became the Pascal Lamb.
God is Love.
@@patkeohane5005 No, God was sacrificed
Disgusting
I cant believe this mans stubbornness. may JESUS bring him into salvation.
Jesus is human, there is only one God, not Trinitarian God, God is perfect being immortal fully sufficient he forgives without blood shedding, understand that you Christinas, this is pagnism you took it from the Romans, son and Father, there is only one and only God, Jesus is a prophet
@@alialheneiti4267 First go and study quantum entanglement !! don't try to understand God's power with your carnal mind and most importantly see David Videos and learn first !! then you can argue with me !! after Christianity 700 years later came Islam and copied YAHWEH character from old testament and made Allah, so that's called paganism !! Jesus, holyspirit and Father are one !! like soul, spirit and body are one for us(humanbeing's), do u understand ?
@@vjp2866 @dz9n channel This is emotional talk that has no scientific basis، you Christinas have emotnal belief system, this is true and this the reason why the majority of Christinas in the Western countries are leaving their faith to Athesim, you will no clear evidence in your book about the divinity of Jesus, if it's the main doctrine that our salvation is based on why it didn't mention clearly in your book, and from logical point of view when you say the Father the son and the holy Spirit are one but in the same time the father isn't the son nor the holy Spirit, it's very confused, Jesus is sinless person he was born from a virgin mother we believe that but we don't accept he is God or he ever claimed to be, I wish you the best, SALAM
@@alialheneiti4267 For the record, Jesus indeed said he is God but when he was in human state he didn't ask to worship but his spirit(Father) in heaven. refer this ---> John 8:58, Revelation 22:13, John 14:9. Hope you get some relief from confusion. When the people say Jesus is not father or holyspirit, just read your own bible and know ! Jesus, Father and holy spirit works in one !! Like we have Body, Soul and spirit which works in one but God can separate himself and work in different dimension !!
@@vjp2866 it's very bad example when you say that the father, the son and the holy spirit like us as human, I have God's spirit you do and everyone does but the thing that you say that God became a human and change his attributes from a perfect being to an imperfect being human, This is a very long debate and apparently we have a very deviated perceptions, but what I believe that , I have a free well free mind and I can distinguish between what's wrong and right and I didn't inherit the sin of Adam, and Allah "Arabic trans of Yhwa and even Arab Christinas say Allah" can forgive without blood shedding
The answer is actually utterly laughable.
so a muslim told me that muslims dont believe in "spirits" and that God is not a spirit, and is a man. i asked this because we had a customer whose name is "Allah" and i asked why this wasnt considered disrespectful, that a man can be called "god"....the muslim said God is a man .....so if muslims believe God is a man, why do they think its impossible for Jesus to be God?
Im an amator man , but its enought just to read I AM and to know whos God ✝️✝️ Hes The Son Of Living God , The Image Of God In Christ ✝️
Allah will judge be patient
Hisar Ahmad, follow The Lord Jesus before its to late, praise the Lord Hallelujah ♥️
@@johntranvan2259 Do you think reading this verses Jesus was a God ? the father is always superior
Now this is eternal life: that they know you,(A) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man,(A) then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 8:28
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?Matthew 27:46
By myself I can do nothing;(A) I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just,(B) for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.John 5:30
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers(A) and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father(B) and your Father, to my God and your God.’”John 20:17
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup(A) be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”Matthew 26:39
They changed the bible, Quran confirms jesus was one of the messenger of ALLAH (GOD), and quran is the only book that still present in its actual form without man made changings. Also bibile was not sent in english language, there was no english back then, it was developed centuries after...
@@hisarahmad784 in sha allah
So you basically don't trust the writings of the people who ate and travelled with jesus to be truth but trust a source which was written 500 years after Jesus
“Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM! ””
John 8:58
Because they are blind!
2 Corinthians 4:4 “Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.”
Strelec John David sorry, see below! ❤️
Strelec John David Amen
Before Abraham was I am?
That means Solomon and jeremiah and
Melchizedek also is god
(Solomon)
Proverbs 8:23-27
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;(A)
25 before the mountains were settled in place,(B)
before the hills, I was given birth,(C)
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.(D)
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,(E)
when he marked out the horizon(F) on the face of the deep,
(jeremiah)
◄ Jeremiah 1:5 ►
Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.
Melchizedek
◄ Hebrews 7:3 ►
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually
Even many prophet's were before Abraham Even the father of Abraham was before Abraham
2 Corinthians 4 4 nlt
2 Corinthians 4:4
New Living Translation
*4 Satan, who is the god of this world,* has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Really is he god??
Not accepting it, believing they are not God's prophets and saying it was fabricated are 3 different things. Where's your proof it is fabricated?
John 17: 21-24:
Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
No matter how hard the Muslims nor the Jews try, Christ IS King
Jesus is simply saying we are all one in purpose, it doesnt mean he is literally one with God, if thats the case are we all God if we are all one?
@@Shaunthebarber we can become ome with God, truly His Sons. But Jesus is the only Begotten Son. While Christians are truly God’s children, Jesus is the only one that is Begotten.
Please answer the question why did they want to stone him after he said the "I Am"?
John 8:58 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Jesus said to her, Do not put your hand on me, for I have not gone up to the Father: but go to my brothers and say to them, I go up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
The Bible is Clear it tells us nowhere that the jesus is equal to the father. Some unscrupulous people have tried to add a scripture to the Bible to support the trinity.
@@taiwoalimi9709 John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Glory TO GOD! I agree but that doesn’t mean he was claiming to be God
@@taiwoalimi9709 The "Father" is God and Jesus here is claiming to be "one" with God
Glory TO GOD! Was he also God as the father is God then how many God lol
The reason he doesn’t say “I was “ and said instead “I am” is bc that’s what the Angel of the Lord/God/YHWH said to Moses in Exodus. He said “I AM WHO I AM…tell them I AM sent you” so Jesus said those words like that bc that’s what they knew from their God. Further in John they tried to stone him again bc they said HE A MAN MAKES HIMSELF GOD. THEY KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING AND JESUS KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAYING. youd think if He meant that he was just the son of God He would have just clarified in that moment but He didn’t say “what I meant was I am the son of God and I know Abraham bc God made him through me. I’m actually just the son” there he said the name God identified as in multiple parts of the Old Testament. Also in John Jesus says “Now I tell you that before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I AM HE” and that connects back to many times in Isaiah and hen God said stuff like “that you may know and believe and understand that I AM HE”, “that I am God. Indeed before the day was, I AM HE”, “even in your old age, I AM HE” and Jesus in the book of John said “I AM HE” n knocked over those guards by saying “I AM HE”. John simplified it “ in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” Jesus is God and He always was.
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought
We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!”
Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”
Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19
In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?-
The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
Jesus was Emanuel which is God with us!
Aaron Henry Ishmael means god will hear, does that mean Ishmael is the all hearing god? Israel is the name given to Jacob by God which means god rules, does that mean Jacob is the all ruling God? we will all interpret things the way we want, we should look at things with an open mind and with the utmost respect we should not bicker and argue instead we should come together on common ground and learn to live in harmony
you worng sir jesus born as bastred from holy spirit of Roman soldier called pandira he is goldan claf of gantiles
repent brother don't use Jesus name as ackward ,for it is the name above all names.דניאל ביטאו
hahaha..jesus was son of man..and son of man is never god...it is said clearly on bible...sorry Christian
@@Daniel_bitew don't say this...i am muslin and i assure if u say anything bad about jesus you will go hell
"When Jesus aid "I am" it was actually the flow of the Holy Spirit flowing out of Him in His Human spirit. That the trouble with us that we are deaf as well as blind Just like the Pharisees, they were deaf that they could not hear the Spirit speaking in the man's Jesus human spirit, and because they were deaf they were also blinded by the outward appearance of Christ, that Christ was outwardly a man but inwardly He had the Spirit of God in His spirit speaking through Him. That "Iam" only applies to the One true God, Allah, that the Great "I am" came in the man Jesus so that He could come to mingle Himself with His creation man to draw near to man. That it was not Jesus speaking on His own He had the Great who I am in Him dwelling in His human spirit. That why Christ said, "What I see the Father do I do, what I hear the Father speak I speak. That Christ was a man for the Holy Spirit to be incarnated into, who is God. That if God came to us as the Holy Spirit without going through incarnation, man would of die because we are unpure and sinful. That man is a vessel for God the Spirit to dwell in their human spirit that God and man become one for His expression and to reign with man here on Earth. This is the economy of God in His three persons, that He went through incarnation as the Father to beget the Son to live are human life to dispense Himself into man through His resurrection as the all-inclusive consummating life-giving Spirit. "May the God of Peace be with us all.
Amen! Sounds like from a witness lee book, All inclusive and Economy of God books are highly recommend to read.
"To wit God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself"
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought
We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!”
Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”
Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19
In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?-
The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
He meant that he was there before the earth. Moses asked, “what do I tell the people the name of God is?” and the Lord answered, “Tell them, I am that I am.” You are just denying the truth so you need to repent and believe in Jesus
Christ
Okay , IAM what IAM
Do you worship me ?
Abdelbarr Haroun I Am I the same so I Am that God showed to Moses so tell me what prophet comes with the name of God and not only that you are right know calling Jesus a lier
@Strelec John David
I did exist in the knowlodge of God before my birth, so as jesus existed before his birth .
Unless you say God didn't know me before i was born .and that's an impossibility for an all knowing powerful God..
So yes i could say 100%.. that before Abraham was on earth i was in God's knowlodge,
Each person existed in the knowlodge of God before they physically were created .
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophecy determine by God before Adam(pbuh) was created. Some christian always try to exaggerate Jesus(Isa Ibn Mariam) pbuh. I found Ahmad deedat gave better answer of this question.
Quaran is a fiction of Muhammad.who is alla?why other prophets didn't mention about alla?where is Allah hidden?
Allah is the name of God. The Christian Bible in Arabic calls God "Allah"
@@brokenSnake Quranic Allah was a moon god
@Abu taj md mahbub Ul alam "the word shall never be hidden from those who truly seek" regardless of "corruption"
Mulgieta Amanuel check the arabic bible translated by christian
Ismael Jaleef there is new Idol in history of the world called “Allah” try again you massive loser.
No moon god ever called Allah
Jesus is the father, the universe, allah, shiva, whatever u want to call I'm, he is all that is, even if u dont know who you are, every cell in your body knows who they belong to. Jesus is all consuming, there is nothing outside of him, all that exists is within him.
Zion Y
That is incorrect. Jesus and the Father are distinct in person, it equal in nature.
Dude, what are you talking about?
It isn't far from the truth.. John 14:11
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought
We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!”
Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”
Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19
In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?-
The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
Haha you see Shabir, this claim is only said by Jesus. No one in the Bible claimed this... Except Jesus.
So i have a question for you.what language was the new testament written in?
did jesus speak English??
so how you rely on translated English version??
@@greymustabelli1536 does "the god" (Allah) only speak Arabic? what kind of God is this??
@@ednamariamonteiro2818 They were revelations.So what do you mean about Arabic?Does he speak english?Or in what language do you understand?
@@greymustabelli1536 the bible is translated to multiple languages but if you are a muslim, you need to study Arabic to "understand better" but you can say the shahada in any langauge without full understanding of the religion...
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The strangest answer that i have ever heard. Strange because he simply refused to believed that JESUS IS GOD. He just circled around the question and ended up without a very clear answer.
Notice a few verses earlier Jesus said that he saw Abraham. He is going back to Genesis 18 where Abraham personally talked to God face to face. This could not have been the Father because the Father does not have a physical body, and if you stand in the presence of the Father, you can die. Do you recall what happened to Moses when he was in the presence of God in the burning bush? He was frightened because he knew that being in the very presence of The Father is enough to kill you. So if that was The Father talking to Abraham, why didn't he die? The only way you can understand this passage is if Jesus is God and that it was him who was eating with Abraham. So Shabir Ally you're wrong. Jesus was not just claiming to be ancient, he was claiming to be the divine figure who ate with Abraham in Genesis 18:1-10. There is absolutely no way that you can understand this passage correctly unless Jesus is God.
Second in very first chapter of Mark says that Jesus is God. Mark 1:1The begging of the gospel of Jesus Christ,the Son of God.2As it is written in Isaiah the prophet Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way. 3 the voice crying in the wilderness. Prepare the way if the Lord make his path straight. In the Septuagint version of Isaiah it actually says,Isaiah40:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight the paths of our God.While some textual variation in Mark the Son of God phrase is not some of early ones even we were to take it out. You still have of Mark 1:1-3 teaching that Jesus is God based on Isaiah 40:3.
Here is the English version of the Septuagint version. www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Esaias/index.htm
Sorry not convincing enough . Jesus said this to jews who asked him you are not even 50 years old so how can u say u know Abraham . In response Jesus said before Abraham was I AM . Clearly indicating he was there with Father in heaven
In context, when Jesus said "before Abraham was I am", I believe he was referencing himself being the promised seed that was promised to Eve before Abraham. They wanted to stone him because he was claiming to be greater than Abraham, which is a big deal to the Jews who nearly worshipped him. John the Baptist said that they shouldn't think that just because Abraham was their father they should exalt themselves, which was their boast. The next chapter, the blind man Jesus heals also says "I am" which is the same phrase in Greek. All it means is "I am he" or "it's me". Jesus never says "I am that I am"
Quote from a Unitarian Christian.
Go read John 8 :48-59
Jesus said he was God but he was hiding it. For example he said God above is the judge. Well the Revelation says that Jesus is the judge at the end of time for the living and the dead.
Stop misunderstanding Jesus
kop pite so “God” is a coward and scared to say who he is?
He can’t just say he is God.
Interesting all the way through out the OT, God is one, God is one.
Moses worshiped one God, so did his followers. They never believed in a trinity.
Even when you read the NT of the 4 writers the first person quotes of Jesus, Christians seem to ignore all the Explicit clear verses that refute a trinity, but seem to hang onto Implicit ambiguous verses, that can be translated in many ways.
That’s a type of hypocrisy.
@@finalprophet813 because the OT Jesus had not come but what did Jesus say?
Before Abraham was, I AM.
What did the prophets say about the coming Messiah? Be smart Jesus is the giver of life and that means God and that means I AM and many more titles referring to the creator.
Even Mohamed after plagiarizing the bible and calling it koran he lied and told you David was a prophet but he did not hide that Jesus gave life to a bird that shows he is the giver of life.
If you are too biased to leave islam then follow the giver of life Issa and follow his words. Thats all you need to do. Accept him as your saviour and ask him for eternal life he will lead you to heaven for he said you cant go to the father except by me
@@finalprophet813 John 13 13
You call me teacher and Lord.. rightly so.
Those are the words from Jesus himself telling people they were right to call him Lord.
Remember God said he doesnt share glory with any one
@@koppite9600 Teacher & Lord is a form of respect, where are you getting God from that?
The British to this day have Lords, no one thinks of them otherwise.
Read the whole passage, he continues to say:
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master,nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
Jesus was sent by God, therefor, he would be no greater than the one who sent him... = God sent him, not God.
" By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.
For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[fn] considered him faithful who had made the promise.
And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore." - Hebrews 11:8-12
He that believes in me, does not believe in me, but on him who sent me. He that believes in the Son has set to his seal, that God is true.
Jesus is God and God is father,son and spirit they are all God and true not just the father
He got the answer. Jesus claims to be "ancient", or before Abraham existed.
Regardless of anything else, now you must ask yourself... if Jesus existed before Abraham, although Jesus body was born through Mary, then Jesus is more than just a prophet or a messenger, especially being in existence before Abraham.
Getting closer Shabir,
Jesus said he is I AM, just like God said to Moses in Exodus 3:14 to say to the children of Israel that "I AM has sent you(Moses) to them!!!!!
No he didnt. Your new translations changed the origianl enlgish translation from "before Abraham was, I am" to "before Abraham was, "I AM" ". Deceivers changed it but its not hidden, those of us who read the first english translation know the true word. You have a false version. I'm not a Muslim leading you away from Jesus but I hope to bring you to full knowledge of God and his Christ. "There is One God and one mediator between God and Man, the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransome for all to be testified in due time" .
Jesus = Father = holy spirit = God
Jesus is God he also claims to be God in revelation 1:8
1- 2:30 so what Jesus is an angel as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe people?
2- and as for the i am sayings lol which is it? 1st you're saying that that's not what Jesus meant and then later that that's not what Jesus said?
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Explain John 13:34, a supersession of Leviticus 19:18 & Deuteronomy 6:5 cf Mark 12:34. What greater commandment could there be than 'Love one another as God loves you' ?
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If you don't believe Jesus claimed divinity in the synoptic gospels, then explain how Jesus didn't say an equivalent of John 13:34 in the synoptic gospels albeit off-screen. Again, cf Mark 12:34.
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How do Muslims (A) claim Jesus never claimed divinity based on Bart Ehrman who says Jesus DID claim divinity in the Gospel of John and then (B) don't say this when disputing John 8:58 'Before Abraham was, I am' cf John 8:44 or John 10:30 'I and the Father are one' cf John 10:26 ?
"That's all the time we have..." Who's cutting you off? This is youtube, take all the time you need to develop your point so it can be critically analyzed.
A non believer cannot understand the Bible. You have to be saved to accurately interpret the Bible. The only thing these people need it to hear the Gospel
Exodus 3:14 (ESV): God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’
Thus, God Himself is using "I am" as a name for Himself !
In the very next verse, God says:
"This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations."
There is no getting around what Jesus was claiming.
If I am means the God then the transition is
"Before Abraham, the God"
It's totally fine with us, Muslims.❤❤
Before Abraham was born, I AM
Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58 does not express the same thought
We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e•goʹ ei•miʹ ho Ohnʹ, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e•goʹ ei•miʹ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei•miʹ, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, An American Translation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!”
Not once, however, does the Bible state that Jesus is coeternal with God. Though Jesus enjoyed a prehuman existence of unspecified length in heaven, the Bible shows that he had a beginning of existence. He is called “the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” and “the beginning [Greek, arké] of God’s creation.”-Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”-John 1:18. At John 8:58, once again the King James Version has Jesus using the expression “I am” in connection with himself, saying, “Before Abraham was, I am.” But here the expression is quite different from the one used at Exodus 3:14. Jesus did not use it as a name or title but simply as a means of explaining his prehuman existence. Thus, according to the New World Translation, the more correct rendering of John 8:58 is: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”
Clearly, no Scriptural basis exists for the claim that Jesus is the same as Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the teacher’s manual previously quoted admits: “That Christ existed before His birth in Bethlehem does not in itself prove He was God (He could have existed as an angel).” In fact, this is what the Bible teaches. In his prehuman existence, Jesus was “a god,” or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.-John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Plus Jesus would not have contradicted himself, Why did Jesus correct a certain man for calling Him “Good Teacher”? By thus refusing to accept this flattering title, Jesus directed glory to Jehovah and indicated that the true God is the source of all good things. Moreover, Jesus drew attention to the fundamental truth that the Creator of all things, Jehovah God, alone has the right to set the standards of good and bad.-Matt. 19:16, 17; Luke 18:18, 19
In several instances in the Greek Scriptures men are called “good”. Yet when a young man called Jesus “good” he was rebuked and was told that none was good but God. Why?-
The record tells of the rich young ruler who questioned Jesus: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.”-Mark 10:17, 18; Luke 18:18, 19, NW.
Waleykum Musalaam warhmatulwahi wa barakatuh shukraan
Jezaka'allahu kheir
It's quite funny that he just danced left and right and had no solid explanation, he finally ends with the typical Muslim saying of how do we know Jesus really said that.....lol
patrick eze because the bible is corrupted and changed by the churchfathers there are many parts of christianity and many bibles. Also the idea mother son and father is one god came later years later of the death of jesus. Paul is also seen as a betrayder and evil by the early christians by the time
this verse mean jesus soul was made before Abraham's soul... clear
Surah 3:54 - Allah Deceives the Muslims and the Christians
SURAH 3:54 - ALLAH DECEIVES THE MUSLIMS AND THE CHRISTIANS
Believe it or not, Allah deceives both the Muslims and the Christians in the Qur’an. What is damaging for Muslims is the fact that the Qur’an distinctly reveals that Allah deceived Muhammad with a false revelation. And Allah even admits to this deception in the Qur’an. The Qur’an clearly testifies that Allah is a deceiver. In this article we will reveal three accounts in the Qur’an which will prove irrefutably that Allah deceived: (1) Muhammad (2) The Muslims (3) The Christians.
Quran 3:54 says:
And the disbelievers made a plan ˹against Jesus˺, but Allah also planned-and Allah is the best of planners.
Where does it says deceivers??
The arabic word for deceiver is مخادع
The word used in the passage is ٱلْمَـٰكِرِينَ
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Your stammering proves that you're stuck in your place.
Of course you're gonna say jesus never said that, because it was clearly stated .
Jesus did not really say that... but everything else, he did... lol
Edna Maria Monteiro
I bet he did
Gospel of John was written 90-105 years after Jesus..all the extravagant and ambiguous claims comes from John.."I and my father"..who've seen me have seen the father. .God so love the world..that he gave his only etc..are not to be seen in the other three canonical..so Jesus was reviewed n painted in a way to please the Greek n the Roman..
Here is what Jesus says, he denies being God:
"My Father is greater than I."
[John 14:28]
"My Father is greater than all."
[John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[John 5:30]
"Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His
who sent Me."
[John 7:16]
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word
which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."
[John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who
sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak."
[John 12:49]
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of
me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
[John 5:37]
Note: Father does not mean a literal father but here refers to God as the Bible says, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God”.
Son of God is a figure of speech which many other Prophets were labeled with.
In Psalms 2:7 David is the begotten Son of God.
Jacob is God's firstborn son (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon is God's son (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim is God's firstborn son (Jeremiah 31:9) [how many firstborns?]
Adam is the son of God (Luke 3:38).
Alan Johnson
Where did you get that info from?
@@alanjohnson267 Brilliant.... which school did you go to?
If somebody claims he's krishna, the Hindus would definitely recognize that he is claiming to be their God. The Great "I Am" is the God of Israelites. Jesus had been more specific in his Claim that he doesn't confuse people with himself being one among the many pagan Gods rather being the monotheistic God. Caesar declared himself to be God. Jesus could not be more clearer than this. The Jews instantly understood his claim and that's why they charged him of Blasphemy
When you try to convince yourself He is not saying what’s He actually said
Hahaha I know exactly what you mean.
What a shame
Yeah its sad they are so lost
Of course. Whenever something in the Bible is not in favor of Quran, then they say that Bible was changed. Also, if Christ claimed to be an angel, He would say ,,I was." Not ,,I am." The being that exists from eternity is only being that can claim something like ,,I am." And Christ said ,,I am." Because He is God!
God said I Am what I Am to Moses when Moses asked for his name... meaning, don't be concerned with my name but who I am. Go re-read the bible and not make up your own interpretation.
Thank you, its clear now! La ilaha illallah!!
Yes it will be clear to you since you'd love the lie to sound truthful to you at all cost. But the thing is, no Muslim on earth is even close to capable of interpreting our own Bible for us. As even most Christians themselves are not able to decode it's manifold wisdom except he who is filled by the Holy Spirit. So yes, the fact that that blind answer was clear to you doesn't make it accurate either. Jesus is GOD!!!
GOD said unto moses, *I Am that I Am..* Exodus 3:7..)
Jejus: I said unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I Am* he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
@@laltlanmawiachhangtemizo2437 Jesus was a Messenger of Allah peace be upon him Jesus is a human being. How can a man with a date of birth be God? How can God come down in human form so that would no longer make him God since the definition of God is to be Supreme and no One is compared to and is the King of all kings and none can match. He has been created like you and me have. Created. A created being cannot be The Creator. He will be in shock as to why you called him God or the son of God when instead he is the Messenger of Allah. He was a human who ate, drank, slept and went to the bathroom with which if he didn’t access these needs he would die. Does God need to rely on food and sleep and drink? How can someone say this?. On top of that Christianity also claims for him to be a Jew? How can he be Jewish?How can he be God or the son of God if he did all of that? And he literally came out of a womb so how can he be called the son of God or God? John 20:17 17Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,* for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. '” JESUS SAYS “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD” Does God now have a God? No, it is as clear as day through the verses of the bible that he is a slave of God, but not God himself
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
If Jesus was God surely he should know the hour too which is such an important piece of knowledge that God possesses yet here it states he doesn't. He is the beloved Messenger of Allah may peace be upon Jesus. my friend think about what you’re saying. You’re saying God walked the earth as a man and ate and drank and slept and answered the call of nature? Then on top of that He was Killed by other men in human form? When we look at other humans we always say look how dumb or weak they are, so imagine putting God as the same creation as them. He showed us how to be good through sending messengers. Like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, Abraham and Jesus. Why would Jesus be an exception? All these other prophets came before Jesus peace be upon him. Were they wrong since they weren’t around during the time of Jesus? Quran verses [5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [5:78] Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and [habitually] transgressed.
@@chrislynn8026 Jesus was a Messenger of Allah peace be upon him Jesus is a human being. How can a man with a date of birth be God? How can God come down in human form so that would no longer make him God since the definition of God is to be Supreme and no One is compared to and is the King of all kings and none can match. He has been created like you and me have. Created. A created being cannot be The Creator. He will be in shock as to why you called him God or the son of God when instead he is the Messenger of Allah. He was a human who ate, drank, slept and went to the bathroom with which if he didn’t access these needs he would die. Does God need to rely on food and sleep and drink? How can someone say this?. On top of that Christianity also claims for him to be a Jew? How can he be Jewish?How can he be God or the son of God if he did all of that? And he literally came out of a womb so how can he be called the son of God or God? John 20:17 17Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me,* for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. '” JESUS SAYS “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD” Does God now have a God? No, it is as clear as day through the verses of the bible that he is a slave of God, but not God himself
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
If Jesus was God surely he should know the hour too which is such an important piece of knowledge that God possesses yet here it states he doesn't. He is the beloved Messenger of Allah may peace be upon Jesus. my friend think about what you’re saying. You’re saying God walked the earth as a man and ate and drank and slept and answered the call of nature? Then on top of that He was Killed by other men in human form? When we look at other humans we always say look how dumb or weak they are, so imagine putting God as the same creation as them. He showed us how to be good through sending messengers. Like Adam, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, Abraham and Jesus. Why would Jesus be an exception? All these other prophets came before Jesus peace be upon him. Were they wrong since they weren’t around during the time of Jesus? Quran verses [5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [5:78] Cursed were those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and [habitually] transgressed.
I think he didn't explain clearly about what they are talking about. I AM is only used by God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob not others. This man is talking about something that he didn't know accurately about the true God.
Ohhh ‘ he denied the word? Wow he is blind and lost poor people. My prayers
i am is not god...
he make it clear......jesus is son of man and bible said son of man is not god...hahaha
Two problems here, when the lord was talking to moses, he said, "tell Israelites I AM has sent you", so I AM is the lord's name. And when Jesus said, before Abraham was I AM, in the very next verse people pick up stones to stone him. And in the previous verse he said Abraham saw my day and he rejoiced. So yeah he was claiming to be eternal. Who is eternal? Only one God. Muslims wake up, islam is false.
2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Deception is sin Allah is a Deceiver this is one way you can tell that Allah is not the true God James 1:13-17 NKJV - Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.
God is eternal, He has no beginning and no end, If he had a beginning or end, he would have said I was, but he said I am. Christians and the early apostles in AD.32-80 believed Jesus is God. See John.20:28 where Thomas calls Him my Lord and my God. The truth is set before you and its up to you to accept it. God does not have to conform to us but we have to conform to Him through righteousness in Christ Jesus.
Did Muhammad see Abraham? You can't rule out the fact that He is taking on the present not the future, "I will" or the past, "I was." Jesus is taking on titles nobody has ever taken. Is Jesus the Messiah in Islam?
Reagan Mulungi Rosales : Muhammad did saw Abraham, Adam, Moses, Jesus, John The Baptist, Joseph (p.b.u.them) on the historical night's journey Al isra' wal mi'raj..
Jesus turned to his disciple Peter and asked "Who do you say I am?" And Peter answered "You are the Christ, the son of the living God" (Matt. 16:13-20) Seems to me a pretty good time for Jesus to correct him if he was in fact God, but he did not. In fact Jesus never said he was God. But he did say he was a son of God and he told the woman at the well he was also the foretold Messiah.
JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE ✝️
YOu are pagan. How can a God run away from man out of fear? The next verse of the I am says jesus ran from the jews lol
Quite a bold one
John recorded what Jesus actually said. It wasn't his duty to portray Jesus however he wanted to, but how Jesus revealed Himself. How does Jesus being "ancient" not prove Him being God? How else can Jesus be older than the day He was born? He is in fact the Ancient of Days!
God never said he was ancient he said he is everlasting and has been here since the beginning of time...he is god
Genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heaven and the eartu
I wonder why Jews tried to stone Jesus in the next verse if Jesus just claimed himself to be a mere "Ancient CREATURE"...and to be honest I really find Dr.Shabir's face showing it hard to answering that question and making the words spill all over the place.
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
John 8:57-59 NKJV
Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 10:32-33 NKJV
Matthew 28:9, KJV: And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
go and google what does worship means. Is there only one meaning or multiple meanings?
@@elmajraz6019 nah, I'm pretty sure you know 😏
@@wojo9732 I know the word 'worship' has multiple meanings. Do you?
Why did you tale the meaning worship here as in praying to knowing that the word worship have other meanings
And while they were on their way, our master Jesus (peace be upon him) suddenly appeared before them and addressed them saying: “Peace be upon you both!” So they approached him and grabbed his feet, bowing.
Matthew 28:9 TMA
THE GOSPEL OF JOHN IS GIVING MUSLIM SLEEPLESS NIGHT
It's the most manipulated the gospel of the 4. No ones losing sleep, just feel bad for you people.
John 17:3 is giving depression for the Christians.jesus said father is the only true god.trinnity failed 😁
If Jesus was a Muslim prophet why did he teach a Christian message?
Why did allah mislead Jesus followers so that they can follow the largest false religion (Christianity)
Where does Jesus say that I'm just a prophet don't worship me?
Puseletso Mampuru “my father is greater than I”
Her never taught people to worship him. Even according to the new testament
@@brokenSnake but, people still worshipped him. Even the angels during his birth, also the demons feared him. He accepted worship and did not say,"Don't worship me! I'm just a man."
@@lilBananaClip That's in John 14:28, where Jesus is about 30 years old in human form. So I just mentioned human form and what that means is that Jesus wasn't in God form so therefore, He's not as powerful as God; He has to be in His God form to be equal to God. Jesus was even weaker than an angel since He was in human form to come to seek and to save the lost. Since you're throwing a verse out without understanding why Jesus said that, I'll tell you this: Qur'an 33:56-Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!
Allah prays for Muhammad (piss be upon him)? I thought Allah is supposed to be your great creator and all he has to do is just say a magic word and things will happen. Who's Allah and his angels praying to?
Jesus never preached Christianity. It was St. Paul who invented Christianity from the Satan .
The meaning of what Jesus was saying was so clear to the Jews that they started to pick up stones to stone him, (probably to death). He claimed to be God so clearly that it was worthy of execution on the spot.
That guy always fails to convince the ant in my backyard.
Gospel of John was written 90-105 years after Jesus..all the extravagant and ambiguous claims comes from John.."I and my father"..who've seen me have seen the father. .God so love the world..that he gave his only etc..are not to be seen in the other three canonical..so Jesus was reviewed n painted in a way to please the Greek n the Roman..
Here is what Jesus says, he denies being God:
"My Father is greater than I."
[John 14:28]
"My Father is greater than all."
[John 10:29]
"…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[Mathew 12:28]
"…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[Luke 11:20]
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[John 5:30]
"Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His
who sent Me."
[John 7:16]
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word
which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."
[John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who
sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak."
[John 12:49]
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of
me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
[John 5:37]
Note: Father does not mean a literal father but here refers to God as the Bible says, “Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God”.
Son of God is a figure of speech which many other Prophets were labeled with.
In Psalms 2:7 David is the begotten Son of God.
Jacob is God's firstborn son (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon is God's son (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim is God's firstborn son (Jeremiah 31:9) [how many firstborns?]
Adam is the son of God (Luke 3:38).
@@alanjohnson267 it's interesting how most of your quotes actually support the divinity of Jesus. Let's do the following - if by any of those quotes the negates that he is God, then by negating the quotes it would look like he is God, right? (basic logic)
Example "I cast out devils not by the Spirit of God". How does that look to you?
Christian explain this for me, if the sentence "before abraham was, i am" proofs Jesus is god, why didnt he say "before Adam was, i am" shouldnt that more proof that jesus is god, befoee human kind even exist since we all know, God, Allah subhaana wa ta'aala is internal always been and always will be.
What is the meaning of the word Abraham, the world Abraham means the father of multitudes , the father of nations , the high father , all these terms figuratively may refer to Adam , this means spiritually YESHUWAH meant before the existence of the high father , before the the existence of the father of many nations and before the existence of the father of maltitudes he existed
He failed so badly
I know right lol
Nonse answer "Very ancient" do you believe that sheik? The listener understood what he's saying that's why they pick up stones and began to stone him.
Ummm, Shabir didn’t even answer the question, he just danced around the translation of the words.
Lete try to explain, when Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM", He meant He is the very same God that told Moses His name was I AM WHO I AM and that I AM has sent him (Moses). The Jews clearly understood what Jesus said and they thought Jesus committed a blasphemy by saying He is God, that's why they were trying to stone Him. So, Jesus claimed to be God in this passage and He definitely is God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Before creation of heaven I was and I am.
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@@jacksoninc.4062 proof?
@@lynxszn3541 i mean, can you give me a verse? Saying exactly like that, which verse?
@@jacksoninc.4062 there is no verse stating exactly what the comment above says but their are verses where Jesus claims to be God
@@lynxszn3541 man, that was the strongest claim Jesus got on godhood. It's gonna be a hard case for you, boss, so if you want to back out, you can do it
Why did the crowd around Jesus call him a blasphemer and attempt to kill him on the spot?
They probably wanted to kill him because he was claiming to be more ancient or greater than Abraham not because he was claiming to be God.
Let’s be honest 😂 he didn’t know how to answer it, Jesus is god man praise Jesus he’s changing my life
Facts
I see that he has some difficulty in explaining what that phrase mean bcs the phrase itself is so clear cut
Jesus exist before Abraham. How do you explain that.? That means he is eternity. Then he deflected by saying didn't know whether Jesus really did said that. Typical Islam apologetic.
*JESUS IS LORD !*
John 17:3 jesus said the only true god is the father
@@human-ox2oe If you are so obsessed with The Holy Bible, you must come to Lord Jesus. He gives you eternal life.
@@human-ox2oe I've never read quran, but you've read the Bible, because you seek True God (God of the Bible).
@@paul2778 the God of jesus who gives eternal life plus you should read the Qur’an and Mary chapter
@@paul2778 your Bible says there is a prophet will come from the arabs
Jesus also warned us about false teachers....Unfortunate.