Shonen vs Seinen Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ย. 2019
- In this video, I breakdown he differences between Shonen and Seinen manga and explain how each can achieve the status of "masterpiece".
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Had to watch right away because I knew it would be a great video and I was right. That wait was worth it for this one!
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Also, the original Devilman manga is one of the greatest masterpieces of the history of comics worldwide, and it was published on Shounen Jump..
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Nice post, both really amazing genra tho 🔥🔥
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Shonen and Seinen magazines are just anthology magazines with a large variety of stories , genre and tones.
The content of a shonen or Seinen manga doesn't depend on the demographic AT ALL , it depends on the decision of the editor. And the difference between shonen and Seinen doesn't reside in in tge content , but the kanji ; Shonen manga having Furigana to help the reader (who's supposed to be in high school and not having completed his kanji study) and the seinen , it's that, the content can be the same , but the level of read changes.
In fact , One piece could theoreticallyl be transferred to a Seinen magazine next Month and it'd still remain One Piece , it'd be darker or more violent , the Furigana would just be gone.
The different genre are Horror (like Uzumaki) ,
action adventure (like Vinland Saga) ,
Action (like Kingdom) ,
romance (like Kaguya Sama) ,
Sport (like Real ) ,
gourmet (like Dungeon Meshi) ,
Dark fantasy (like Berserk) ,
Sci-fi (like Teraformars) ,
Slice of Life ( K-ON or Chi's Sweet home) ,
comedy (like Asobi Asobase).
And to any genre found in a Seinen magazine , it's also found in a Shonen magazine.
Horror (like Devilman or the drifting classroom) , action adventure (like One Piece) ,
Action (like Chainsaw man) ,
Romance (like Nisekoi) ,
Sport (like Hajime no Ippo) ,
gourmet (like food wars) , Dark fantasy (like Claymore) ,
Sci-fi (like Space adventure Cobra ) ,
Slice of Life (like Yotsuba&) ,
Comedy (like Nichijou).
And the cute girl doing cute things genre is predominant in seinen magazines , the business is so big that there's ecen a magazine exclusively serializing Slice of Life (Time Kirara , that serialized K-ON) , something a shonen Magazine couldn't do because they always conserve their diversity.
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And Vinland Saga is a Seinen AND a Shonen (partially) , because it was serialized during the first 6 months in the weekly shonen Magazine before be transferred in the Monthly Afternoon .(this happened tok with JJBA , and it's releasing pressure from authors by switching from weekly schedule to monthly one).
Meaning that tge first 20 chapters or so sre shonen and the rest is seinen .
I mentioned those 2 examples
I started monster 5 years ago and after a week of not watching it I revisited it around ep 62-68 and got caught in an episode loop where all I saw was johans sister fainting every 5 minutes, flashbacks and general “Monster” stuff, unable to determine one episode from the next, that plus a weak internet connection caused me to drop the show, I need to finish it though, for completion’s sake.
I read it because reading allows you to control your own pace. While some arcs towards the end got really slow when they were focusing on side characters, I still think the story is amazing. No story is flawless.
Yume Sheezy hmm... I might just decide read it too, I’m tapped out when it come to watching it.
Hears one soul eater philosophy theme might be one of the best I have ever seen how come no one ever talks about it I’m talking about the manga if u haven’t good read it it’s amazing
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
Yume Sheezy i would be great if you did a video on soul eater manga theme and philosophy view
It's a matter of preference I think
i think its more writing than anything. judge a series based on how its written and not the demographic
Shounen hast attack naming and power scaling wheras seinen ist grounded and serious.
That’s barely true. Senien is only grounded depending on the story and all of these stories are serious. They just have a sense of humor to it.
You seem to have deluded yourself into thinking that stories that are senien are basically humorless and that couldn’t have been further from the truth.
Berserk and Vagabond are filled to the brim with a ton of humor and jokes but nowhere in there mind would say they are a shonen.
Being “grounded” isn’t a trait of senien, neither is being humorless.
I swear you people have bad perception.
And you act like senien can’t have both.
What happened to you, will you come back?
Eventually
Yume Sheezy Oh, I was just wondering, I really liked your Naruto rewrites then checked out your other content. Nice channel 👍
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We should just stop using those terms to classify stories. BobSamurai explained it 3 years ago, not enough people listened to him th-cam.com/video/688Zvpho1vM/w-d-xo.html
I do think there is some merit to the terms, but ofc, there are also negatives.
For example, if I'm looking for a more "mature" or "dark" story, I'm more likely to find it in a seinen. Or if I'm looking for a "battle fantasy", I'm more likely to find it in a shonen.
But if I'm just looking for a good, well written story regardless of those specific details, then those terms aren't helpful.
@@YumesukeSutashika I think that would be the case if we had magazines like the ones in Japan. As it is now there are too many useless and uninformative discussion surrounding the terms in the Western communities, which would be avoided if we just sticked to the original definitions, insteand of inventing nonexistent genres.
@@frankjaeger2565 I don't think "battle fantasy" is a nonexistent genre (if that's what u were referring to). Not only do anime and irl mangaka say "battle manga", but it's definitely a sub genre of action, since it has it's own unique tropes. But I do agree that the discussion around demographics is commonly misinformed.
@@YumesukeSutashika I was referring to how people use "shounen" as "the genre of dragonball-like manga"
@@frankjaeger2565 My bad lol. That should've been obvious but it went over my head. But yeah, I agree.
I agree for the most part. The only difference between Shonen and Seinen is the demographic. Shonen is geared toward kids and is expected to cover more youthful and basic themes like friendship. Seinin is geared toward Adults so it is expected to have more mature and complex themes. I think seinen is highly regarded because it is allowed to cover themes that shonen can’t. like Sexual violence and drug abuse. Although that doesn’t mean that shonen can’t cover dark themes, some shonen like AOT and Death note get dark to the point that they can be considered seinen. I think shonen is disrespected because the battle genre has so many worn out tropes and flaws. So in that case I would Hunter X Hunter and One Piece as an example of Masterpieces instead of Naruto and bleach because those two really drop of in writing and succumbs to the flaws and tropes as they go on. One piece has perfected the genre and still manages to keep things engaging 1000s chapters later. Hunter X Hunter Subverts and Deconstructs the genre in order to keep things fresh but ultimately returns to the shonen roots. Those two shows prove that shonen can be as masterfully written as seinin while still having shonen aspects.
I disagree with the last part. All manga "fall off", same with One Piece and HxH. Since the timeskip, One Piece has been mediocre or worse and the story feels like its dragging.
Hxh on the other hand also begins to fall off in the Chimera Ant arc in terms of writing. The "deconstruction and subversion" is a misconception in the community. Hxh isnt "different" or "special" by any means. Its good, but the community makes up words to put it on a pedestal.
BUT, i think all seinen fall off as well, including the 3 seinen i mentioned. All six stories have their highs and lows, but I still consider most of them Masterpieces due to how high their highs get.
@@YumesukeSutashika I HIGHLY disagree with your statement on One Piece. It's been breaking expectations arc after arc so far. It might drag on in some arcs for weekly readers but when you read it in one go, the pacing is very fast. It's gotten Much much better after timeskip compared to before the timeskip. Also disagree with the HxH statement, it's been very solid so far but the author has been very inconsistent with new issues
Sorry im not english im italian and my english is not good
devilman have death, violence, sex, demons and is a shonen, same barefoot gen, drifting clasroom, hapiness are shonen and they have mature stories, is just that if a manga has pubblicated in a shonen magazine even if it have a dark mature story that manga is a shonen. Same for seinen if a manga is more kidless or is like a battle manga ( that' s dosen' t mean they aren' t mature) and it' s pubblicated in a seinen magazine than that manga is a seinen, for exaple one punch man that is a seinen. seinen, shonen, kodomo, shojo, josei aren't genres.
Simone Mattei pretty sure One Punch Man is a shounen. They aren’t Genres but are actually the targeted audience.
Shounen-Young Boys(Basically teens)
Shoujo-Young girls
Seinen-Young adults male
And Kodomo straight up means Children in Japanese
I forgot what Josei is
Edit:NVM Josei-Young adult female
@@adarshsridhar6051 yup
Edit: Actually, OPM is a seinen, but the rest is right.
Agree that both have their positives and negative but did you just say Death Note is darker than Monster? 😂😂🤣🤣
Yes
Yume Sheezy ok well that’s your opinion but the general consensus is Monster is way darker than Death note
@@assasinsjeff I rarely value "general consensus", but I think Death Note had a higher death-per-chapter ratio and the individual deaths were often darker. Monster had most deaths from a gunshot. Death Note had heart attacks and suicides.
@@YumesukeSutashika death note
Doesnt have the depth as much as monster does.
this is not a seinen shounen thing Idc about that .
Kira is an intelligent high schooler who found the death note by complete accident and wanted to kill people because he has a god-complex and starts killing people who committed crimes and are put in prison and thinks its purification of the world.
This thinking is naive in itself since he doesn’t know the circumstances that led to the prisoner committing the crime and a narcissist like him wouldn’t target small-time prisoners in the first place rather would have bigger plans.
These actions totally contradict the character he was portrayed as (narcissist,intelligent).
Also everyone in death note except L felt like they are there just as expendable fodder for light.
In monster Anna liebert ,tenma, johann grimmer and dieter had great depth and felt like individual characters with their own motive not related to the main character.
And talking about darkness ,i don’t think deaths define how dark the series is.
Monster had dark concepts such like human experimentation,child experimentation,effects of war .
Way less shounen masterpieces than Seinen but there are amazing shounen like fma, hxh, jojo etc
JoJo' last two parts are seinen
@@AL-jg4pr no wonder those were the only good parts
I heavily disagree. I feel like seinen are criticized far less than shonen even though they have their flaws. Additionally, it may seem that way because shonen reach the spotlight much more than seinen.
Hxh is not a masterpiece i haven't seen jojo or fma
@@YumesukeSutashika I agree with this. A lot of people say that seinen have much deeper themes yet disregard shounen that does similar things just because Shounen caters to a younger audience and since seinen tend to have a more older audience and thus regard it as being "deeper". They nitpick so many small details and minor inconsistencies yet don't do that for seinens. Their bias to seinen tends to cloud their judgement. Seinen=Shounen but since Shounen is catered to a younger audience, they show their darker themes in a more subtle context.
there is big difference in jojo part 6 and 7
I see what you are saying but I can name ton of flaws naruto and one piece have that keep them from being 9/10 let alone a masterpiece lol
Also Tokyo ghoul is a seinen ;)
I could also name a ton of flaws or lack of content that prevent Monster, Vinland, and Vagabond from being 9/10, let alone a masterpiece. Your perspective isnt law, everyone got their own opinion.
@@YumesukeSutashika ur spitting facts
@Sunflower Samurai I could, but damn near everything you said in that comment shows how ignorant and tunnel visioned you are, so I'd be wasting my time. No 3 dimensional characters? When you get older? Lmao. You sound like a typical seinen elitist.