Pls do an IU topic🙏🙏🙏 a lot of young fans tend to hate her, mostly cause shes their idols crush or she beats their idols on the charts. Pls explain how legendary IU is and why she should be respected by fandoms
@@iambarryallen yahhh. Why do they hate her though She is sooo talented ,hard working and kind. She has everything and with no remorse or anything against her. I don't understand them.
I would add one more trend that ruins kpop: fans nowadays are crazy about statistics. They will start comparing which of their favourite idol groups are the best in terms of album sales, digital, views, etc. If the group ranks first in whatever statistics, they feel superior and start belittling others.
so true on the fell off term. going along with what you said, ive also noticed that if a group has a comeback, they’re talked about a lot in the moment but as soon as less and less people start talking about them and the comeback people say they fell off. like huh??? make it make sense
People said Twice would fall off when some people didn't like SIGNAL. Just puts into perspective how people don't know what they are talking about and just get in their feelings when a group releases one comeback they don't vibe with.
Trend-hopping is the most noticeable of these issues imo and it is a bit annoying but it also gives a specific vibe to each year / part of the year which is kind of fun
Makes it boring in my opinion and honestly is a horrible decision for companies. If everyone is doing the same thing only a few will stand out and with everyone using their efforts to continue with trends they lose they originality and personal image.
@@asxtro7145 I disagree. As an example, Weeekly has gained more fans and doubled their sales after switching concepts. Some concepts are simply more sought out than others.
yeah but then the groups themselves lose self identity and any sort of differentiation from other groups. Add that you might straight up not like a trend and there goes a whole season of kpop cause everyone is doing it.
@@reyses1x2 That's lowkey a misconception. People who bought their Ven Para albums are fans from previous promotions/before their concept change. I dont think someone who is completely new to them be like "OMG, this group do dark concept, gotta buy their albums". Also, for the record, they completely skipped Ven Para during their Dream Concert appearance and they all wear super bright color outfits during that event, so that maybe hinting that they wanna go back to that concept
Trend hopping is horrible. Weeekly is probably the number one group I can think of. They were killing it with their high teen music and had a core concept and suddenly they went with girl crush Ven Para. They could’ve totally just matured their concept like fromis_9 or went with an elegant school girl concept like love dive. They’re still teens so I was lost when the company said they can’t be teens forever like ??????
i do like ven para (i do have a love/hate relationship with the music production of the song) but i do agree that it was such a sudden turn that i almost confused them for a different group.
their company should've done a bit like what FNC does with their groups. SF9 didn't debut with sexy concept, they started it later as they matured and all members were adults. CheBul initially were with a cute/funky one but they changed to a more mature one as they grew up. The concept should match the overall age of the group to not make ppl embarrassed or just not wanting to stan them bc the concept is "off" like literal minors doing sexy concepts (like Enha with Fever and Le Sserafim with Fearless, like umm they are 16-)
Except that's not true for Weeekly. Their Ven Para album sold double the amount that their previous albums sold. Changing concepts actually worked well for them. They're actually a good example as to why groups swap concepts to match a trend. CLC was the same way where they got WAY more attention for hopping onto a trend. Then you have groups like Dreamcatcher and Purple Kiss who have tried to define their own concept regardless of whatever the current meta is and people don't pay attention to them (Or in the case with Dreamcatcher, it took YEARS and multiple fandoms coming together to finally give them the recognition they deserved)
Definitely agree on the channel member's choice, having too many groups debuting in the same period of time can even be overwhelming for k-pop stans who will lose interest or step back from these groups or k-pop as a whole
Literally that's what happening to me. Like I love kpop but every time I log on there's always a new group and the group that I'm stanning has already released 10 more songs in just 2ish months. Like I love the music but I feel so left behind that my interests have started to change into something that can be less stressful. Why is kpop so stressful nowadays?!
yea i agree. i honestly got overwhelmed by all of the groups debuting and comebacks happening (more than normal, being a multistan obviously i'm getting a lot of content), i stepped back from kpop. like i'm grateful that they're working hard and getting the attention they deserve but hELP calm down!! it was too much so i left lmao
@@noonebutme9420 exactly!!! i know they work hard but it's actually so stressful for fans. give the groups time to rest. not only do the groups ESPECIALLY need the rest, but the fans' brains need rest so they don't get bombarded with content.
@@noonebutme9420 Why can't you just follow one group? Where does this compulsion of following all groups come from? No one is forcing you to follow all of them.
@@reyses1x2 it's not just a one group thing but more of an in general thing. With all of the new groups coming out you'll constantly get notifications saying "HAVE U LISTENED TO THIS SONG" on a daily basis. I understand that I can't follow every group but it's mentally exhausting when I check some kpop news and it's about a newly debuted group that I haven't listen to but everyone knows about. As a result of this I tend to feel a little bit behind because unlike most kpop stans, I am unable to know what is happening to the kpop community on a daily basis. So overtime due to the oversaturation I start to lose interest of the community as a whole and only focus on a few groups.
As someone who has been a kpop fan for over 10 years now trend-hopping has to be one of the worst patterns i've noticed in kpop. It has killed soo many groups over the years. You will not and cannot build a consistent and loyal fandom by just hopping on whatever trend or sound is popular at the time. Kpop is way to saturated now and fans are looking for what suits their taste. They will have expectations for each group and unless the group is really big they risk losing a large portion of what would have been loyal fans by changing their concept over and over again.
you're right, i've also been into kpop for just about 10 years and i noticed that i'm having a hard time stanning groups with most of what's left of 2nd gen not being my thing anymore, a lot of the 3rd gen groups i like going through enlistment and disbandment and most 4th gen groups i like in general having really hit or miss comebacks as of the las few years
Preach! Having a shift in concept is normal & can even work better for the group like how txt slowly shifted to a more mature & rock sound. However, constantly changing music & hoping on different trends for every comeback, results in a lack of music identity which doesn't allow for a loyal fanbase.
The trend that is ruining kpop the most is stanning only new groups. Part of what makes 4th gen highly competitive is the fact that every year kpop stans (and specially korean gp) stop caring about the groups that debuted the years before. It happened to txt, itzy, enhypen, it's happenning to aespa and it's going to happen to all the groups that have debuted this year. In a highly competitive environment where people only follow new and trendy things and cancel culture is the norm, it isn't surprising that companies are debuting so many groups, with very little amount of songs and noise marketing. Kpop stans love to criticize companies without realising they are marketing experts that keep close attention to what YOU like and know where and how they can squeeze the most profits.
Yes that's definitely the real issue. That's why older groups are also still trying to appeal the general public. Some of them are even changing their whole sound. This thing was always an issue for Kpop industry but I've never seen it like that before. Aespa was a literal monster in 2021 then they immediately give their monster rookie title to IVE then Le Sserafim then maybe Nmixx? Txt's album sales are good but their streams are too low right now and Enhypen is taking their lead immediately. Who knows which group will be the next trend but it's not okay for sure.
@@JustMe-12345 TLDR: There's still a lot of active 2nd/3rd gen boy groups. Amongst 2nd Gen groups, there's SHINEE, Big Bang, Super Junior. There's more, I just don't follow 2nd Gen groups as much. Meanwhile, amongst 3rd Gens there's a lot. EXO, BTS, Seventeen, NCT, GOT7 - basically if the group debuted around 2011 to 2018, they're considered as 3rd gen groups.
"fell off" is so annoying… just because a group misses once with their release doesn’t mean they fell off 😭 not every single release is bound to be succesful or likeable… but also most stans use fell off just for one category, like when some group doesn’t get as many views in 24 hrs but still do well on charts and sales that doesn’t mean they fell off 😭
It's so overused! I hate it. I'm sure the annoying attention seeking brain dead stans saying fell off every 2 minutes know that, and just say it bc it's keeping attention on them. They know they sound stupid, they do it anyway for attention
Kpop stans are just throwing words around now a days. Literally when I first got into kpop nobody was like this, and if there was people would call them out. It was so much more enjoyable. But now EVERYTHING is about cancel culture and it makes me so tired. Like is this really what kpop has come to, it's literally a music genre and these people out here sending death threats?? Don't get me started with scandals, these stans do not gaf about the person nor anyone involved. They just want to hop on these trends...
The downside of social media's rapid growth I guess... I got into Kpop around 2015-2016 and while it's not as laid back as the years before that, it was still a better time than nowadays. Nowadays stans tend find fault in everything and make the scene less enjoyable 😭
@@internationalrelations4973 times were honestly more funny, i remember when jokes were actual jokes and now it's about issues we shouldn't joke about, if that makes sense. There's still those people out there but I'm more likely to see hate than support at times
Beautiful Monster became an instant favourite for me. I feel like literally every modern kpop song is being made just to become trends on tiktok. EVERY comeback now has "song name challenge" like, not everything has to be a challenge on tiktok, a song should be able to stand on its own without needing a tiktok trend to be popular. Beautiful Monster and all of StayCs music in general are made with so much love and they're made to be music not a trend. I recently became a hard core StayC fan and I have become so appreciative of their music and the girls genuine passion for it.
I'm a Swith as well but ASAP seemed like a perfect tiktok song tbh. Every other title track I'd agree with you that it has been about the music rather than trend hopping. Although without trend hopping they would've debuted with Stereotype instead of So Bad, so it isn't all bad.
Same I also really liked Beautiful Monster. The lyrics were so heart-touching and the vocals made it even better since STAYC are very good at putting emotion into they’re voices when they sing. The dynamics in the song are also really good. I looked at the bts of the song recording and I was honeslty amazed, made me love STAYC even more with their unique and strong vocals.
Another current trend ruining Kpop that NOBODY is talking about is "View Counting." While it may seem like a great thing since multiple numbers of views might mean that Kpop is gaining more attention and recognition it is also a bad thing and a small group killer, nowadays the notion that if an mv has a view of less than 20 million it automatically means the group either sucks or they are categorized as flops. Gone are the old days of Kpop when we care more about the music and artists delivering them and not caring about the views.
My biggest issue with oversaturation is this: Idc about there being many new groups under one label, but I care about how such a higher proportion of active groups are from huge labels with large amounts of resources and funding. It’s pushing nugu groups further and further out of the limelight as the industry is already over saturated with groups from big companies so how could there be any room for those from smaller. I feel like the chances of us ever getting a group like mamamoo, gfriend, or even like loona and dreamcatcher who have shot to large popularity despite debuting from small companies is just so minimal now. Sure some nugu groups manage to get to some decent success, but there’s still few of those and the hope for them to really ever gain much popularity just feels so much more limited now.
I think it goes both ways. More groups are debuting BECAUSE there are more resources in the market as kpop becomes more popular internationally. As somebody who used to find nugu groups for fun, I really wouldn't say the number of new groups debuting has increased, but the number of groups staying ALIVE has certainly increased because of platforms like youtube, lives, etc. where small groups manage to hash out a living. Fans just used to not hear about nugu groups because they'd disappear after one or two years at most because it was unsustainable, but now groups stick around long enough to feel like they're competing for and losing the limelight possibilities. While maybe making it huge is more difficult because more and more groups are entering the actual competitive ring, big company or not, it's actually easier to stay alive as a small company.
yea, and the fact that a majority of kpop stans only know and care about groups from the BIg 3 and HYBE makes it a losing battle overall for groups debuting under smaller and not well-known companies.
Yeah... DC and Mamamoo saved their companies from going bankrupt.... I can only respect them as w/o Mamamoo, there would be no Oneus/Onewe/Purple Kiss. I would say the same for DC but they are the only ones in their company with a solid fanbase.
I really love how oh my girl kept their concept even though so many groups changed their concept to girl crush or strong concepts the industry really needs groups like oh my girl
honestly loona and kep1er both saw huge increases in album sales post-queendom2. loona broke 100k+ sales in about a week, won 2 music shows, topped music charts with all their songs, and several of the members have gotten solo gigs or small group gigs with some of the lesser popular members. kep1er also had major improvements in their album sales as well, so i really think queendom2 went really well for them so far.
I agree that Kepler and LOONA have seen growth, LOONA especially. Not as large as G-idle or Oh My Girl, but LOONA took 2 wins for the first time against major competition (whereas their past wins, the biggest group they defeated was Brave Girls, this time they won over BTS and Twice soloist). Their sales also increased. You could make a case that Wa-Da-Da did better on the charts than Up, but it also got wins and increased sales.
I'm sorry, but kep1er would've been better off without the show. They were rookie with 1 mini album and don't even have their own song to sing for their own fans.
Agree with the single album, tho for me i like listening in one song in repeat, however i like it when they have many songs or b-sides in an album, so that i can choose or enjoy the songs. That's why i like Twice because they have at least 4+ b-sides in every comeback
I think the charm of queendom 1 that wasn't in queendom 2 to is the number if senior groups they had. Technically one of the biggest attractive factor was most of the groups were older, lesser known and groups who were really popular but had faded out from general public listening (they had a strong hardcore fandom but weren't as popular in the general public), with exception of mamamoo and gidle (who were newer and/or more popular than the rest but still broke expectations), and that's what made it surprising since there wasn't much expectation originally. But most of the q2 groups were already trending/well known (braves girls, hyolyn) or just too new (kepler, and technically viviz), with exception of WJSN and technically loona. IMO there weren't many performances from q2 that I would rewatch now and the impression they left wasn't as memorable and q1.
Oversaturation is nothing new when an industry becomes big - it happened in movies, gaming, western pop etc. You just have to stop thinking about the fear of missing out and just listen to whatever you like, you dont need to know every group ever or check out all of their music. Keep in mind that if you ask for less groups to debut that means more trainees wasting years in the companies dungeons.
@@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 Rather than spend time on queendom, they had a full album comeback with songs for each member, 2 wins, album sales of 136k (close to the winners of queendom 139k), performed in primavera festival in Spain, K-pop flex in Germany and had a usa tour for almost 3 weeks and are headed to mexico next. Those girls have hopefully made money that would not have been made had they participated in queendom. Hence why I was grateful. Once again, they dodged another bullet with queendom like they did with mixnine
@@careen5859 Ah gotcha. For a sec I thought you meant that there was something wrong with their performances or something and so you were glad they didn't compete lol XD That didn't seem right so I wanted to clarify. Good for them!
with the oversaturation thing i def think youre right but remember that "hybe" is a collection of labels and should *really* be treated as that, not one all-knowing all-seeing entity ♡
is a collection of labels but they are picky about who wants to support, it's clear that they bought companies but are going to "mark" them. also, groups like leeserafilm were marketed as hybe (bighit itself) first gg after glam, it's difficult to not treat them as one
they're pretty much the same now. when big hit acquired them they became the same thing, their music sounds similar, their restrictions are the same. specially the senior groups. even if they say they're different we all know big hit owns all of them as a single thing
@@ericjiayu7408 thats because le sserfim is specifically a group made in collaboration with source music and hybe look at their spotify description it literally says it there new jeans in 100% made by min heejin.
@@ericjiayu7408 you realize that for hybe to have put in money to acquire a company they would’ve researched benefits. And calling Le sserafim Bighits first gg after glam isn’t a lie. It’s the literal truth so it’s not marking it’s an obvious statement. How you treat them based on that statement has nothing to do with the company or parent label
To be honest even tho they come from different subsidiaries they're still promoted and known as hybe grps. Only a few know and care about the sub labels. People are still gonna call them hybe grps.
Personally, I can tolerate Xdinary Heroes and Hybe groups getting debuted. For Xdinary Heroes, they are not directly under JYP and they aren't a group, but a band which puts them in a slightly different scene from others. For HYBE, their groups come from different companies under them, so while HYBE has their hands on these groups, the groups can be seen as belonged to different agencies too. I'm not a HYBE stan though so this could be wrong. I only know this from my friend
I agree with you! Also I feel like groups like Xdinary heroes, enhypen and lesserafim are pretty different from other groups of their labels and they bring something new and interesting to kpop. I'm not sure whether it's the same case with nmixx (their music is still too obscure to me) and newjeans but I hope their cases will be the same
You're actually right. People will think that HYBE is the one debuting the grps however they are just a part of it. It's the companies and labels under HYBE that's debuting the grps. TXT is under bighit. ENHYPEN is under Belift. Le sserafim is under source music. And the new grp newjeans is under Ador. Bighit, Belift and Ador are labels of HYBE while source music is a company or subsidiary of HYBE
I would agree if it felt like the groups were substantially different from each other, but it doesn't feel that way to me. TXT and Enhypen are under different labels, but there is a fair amount of overlap in the key players behind the scenes like producers. Given the similarities in the members vocal techniques, I would guess there's some overlap in the vocal coaches as well. The fact that both groups have changed their style/sound around a bit also creates overlap. It'll be interesting to see whether this changes with the new group from Japan.
One thing that is ruining kpop for me is that I feel like most music nowadays feels more like it was made to trend on tick dock rather than releasing really good music.
Fr, especially with girl groups which often have similar girl crush concepts (would be fine if they all didn't sound so similar bar a few), or with boy groups and how they're all leaning to being loud and rap heavy (a reason why I dislike stray kids)
"Fell off" Translation: Not a meme/viral hit. Kpop Stans want *ahem* I mean need every single Kpop release to blow their socks off and that's just not possible.
my problem with current kpop, when it becomes more about costumes and 'story line' over music. music is why I follow groups, not for 'fantasy' 'timeline' or 'coming of age' stories. for that, I'll just watch a show.
Tbh I think having a storyline is great if the music is also good. Dreamcatcher dexecuted this perfectly by mixing kpop and rock together as well as having a fun storyline. I feel it's more dance kpop groups focus on which don't get me wrong, is nice, but I come to kpop to listen and hear some nice vocals and music. It feels like the industry is only focusing on dance nowadays and less on actual vocals which is really annoying.
@@PedroPony833 bascialy the same as what you said. I don't mind story lines, I enjoyed them at first, same with dance, but 1st thing is always the music. I don't like them spending so much money on costume, mv and storylines but not get great producers. Just like you, I don't like random instrimentals for the dance break that deson't sound good with the rest of the song
The last one was so true When a new group debuts coming from the big 4, the majority of kpop fans will say *omg I'm gonna stan them* In my case, I would just listen to their music and that's it. I'm enough with 5 girl groups I stan.
@@samanthakim5035 nope it's its big3 plus hybe. Sure hybe has a lot of great artists but the big3 were the pioneer entertainment companies of korean music Industry and hence they're the big3.
@@samanthakim5035 no, there's no such thing as a big4 and it it ever exists cube should be the fourth. we're talking about the pioneers of kpop, the ones that started everything we know now as kpop. even if "some korean news called them big4" is not valid, plus hybe is a group of companies, whereas the others are just one.
Honestly if JYPe just kept Stray Kids, Itzy, Xdinary Heroes and Nmixx it would be ok. Why? Well, let's see: Stray kids - it's own niche style, bg Itzy - heavy dance group, gg Xdinary heroes - a band heck yeah! Nmixx - a vocal heavy gg. each group fit a certain criteria. That worked.
I agree with the "trend hopping" thing and its something that I've been thinking about about a lot lately. I hate seeing groups that I loved for their unique concepts and music styles begin to to just do whatever is popular. It just makes it so that everything is too similar and there's nothing unique or interesting to listen to because everyone is just putting out the same stuff which can make kpop so boring because like who doesn't want a lil variety in their music. And when they start just following trends, its always so obvious how greatly the quality of their music drops.
"Fell off" "Ace" "All rounder" "Leaders" "Perfect"... and the list goes on. All of those lost their meaning with Kpop, everything is exaggerated and overhyped. In my opinion, there is only one Ace in kpop and it's Lee Taemin.
is the though? ace really means to be able to sing, rap, dance, perform, produce, and maybe even help with developing choreography. at least that’s the definition i agree with and idk if he does all of that he’s mostly a dancer and a vocalist i haven’t seen him do much else
I feel like trend hopping is understandable especially from smaller companies and I think its fine IF its done right, the group could still have a general concept and sound but mayhe add some elements of trends into while not completely changing their original concept for example if your concept is more dark but retro is trending add some retro sounds but keep it dark still or if your concept is cute and experimental is trending add some experimental sounds but still keep it cute Also I feel like if the trend suits your groups image then I don’t mind like txt and tbz doing retro ill be like ok but if skz or atz I would be a bit confused 😂
Ateez have already done retro and tbh it's one of my fave songs of theirs 😊 but yeah it was only a bside so idk if it counts 😅 showed us what ateez doing retro sounds like though
I have something to say to the facts “too many groups” and “only following trends”. I am myself am A HUGE boygroup stan, but not a single boygroup debut the last 1-2 years gained my attention. They’re all so noisy but in the same way, only following trends? Like I love ateez’s music and it’s noisy too but… different noisy? The new bg’s only blend in into each other and when not a single song catches my attention, it’s hard to get interested in the members too. Lowkey scared that’ll be at some point the reason I get out of kpop
Literally... the last conceptual BG I saw is OnlyOneOf, where they stuck to sensual sexy music and they even remixed their covers to fit their sensual concept
Same, Ateez is like the most recent boy group that I truly stan, even as boygroup stan it’s been hard for me to really get into more recent boy groups. So much music that boy groups have been releasing all sound the same and it’s becoming over saturated, which is probably why I’m having hard time finding newer boy groups to get into. I think that latest boy groups that peaked my interest are CIX and Ghost9 and that was back in 2020.
Literally same. I really like Ateez the most out of all the boy groups in the 4th gen right now. One thing I am really amazed is that they really stick with their storyline. Their lore are amazing, not even a big stan but I was so curious about it that I already watched some explanation about their storyline. Also checked their current comeback, and I actually liked it! It sounds so Ateez but not Ateez (because I think this is their first time to do this genre) at the same time. It’s just sad to see some stans that keeps on calling Ateez are just noise music but I beg to disagree. Everyone should check out their discography, they have so much to offer!
I personally got into some more recent bgs (EN-, P1H, XH...) even buying albums but I'm disappointed by Enha's latest cb direction. Like they'd something "original" when they debuted but this whole webtoon linked cb isn't for me😭 Ngl I'm still into kpop/music thanks to some artists that keep their music direction and don't stray too far from their "own charm"/"identity"! WELP KINDA RANTED 🤚🏻😃
Oh my god I was worried that I was the only one who began to feel like some of these 4th gen songs don’t feel memorable enough . There are some good groups out there but your right a lot of the things we are seeing right now feel like trend hopping. They can’t seem to stick to a core image and and I can’t seem to get a sense of what some groups images are . 2-3rd gen we’re really good at giving you a clear image of what they want to represent. I love each generation but I would like to see a variety of what certain groups can offer instead of “going with the time’s”
I like mini albums…4-6 songs are perfect for my short attention span😅 If the music/concept is too similar between newer groups, it’s definitely harder for me to stick with any of them. I have to give it to MCND, P1Harmony, and to a certain extent groups like Seventeen and CIX because it seems to me they have stuck to their style from day 1 and still make it interesting! Thanks for the video👍🏻
I've noticed that people will say a group fell off, because they had a comeback that is less in your face, and more chill or softer based (a title track) too. I mean they're not using the term right
Seeing how easy people misuse the term "fell off" after judging ONE comeback makes me think of kids who got scolded by their parents for their bad behavior and then immediatelly think their parents now hate them 😭
Tbh stayc fell on with beautiful monster I’m just a casual stan of theirs but I’ve been streaming that album over and over again and I’m even getting the album it’s just too amazing like omg
@@FifthGate nice!! I like both versions but I prefer the love concept but I can’t buy it for like a week or 2 bc I’m going on vacation so it’ll mess up the shipping or something idk and I need money so I’m working for it
I think that's why I love Stray Kids so much, I listen to a lot of heavier hiphop, trap and dark synthwave, and I know that I can expect those influences in most skz non-ballads, and I'm never disappointed. Whenever they do something new, their sound and trademark is still so obvious. But I'm not saying it's because their better than everyone else, they have the huge privilege of almost complete artistic freedom, which sadly is very uncommon, most groups are just money making products for their companies, and therefore the companies will want them to jump on any current trend, instead of allowing them the chance to set the trends like skz has been able to do. It makes me kinda sad, because I've been wanting to find another k-pop group with a similar style that I can get nerdy with, but everytime I find a banger from another group, I find that the rest of their songs sound nothing like that.
Same! I like many groups but to me Stray Kids is the only one with many bangers, I like their style and the fact that you can easily identify it, their songs follow the trends but there is also a lot of thought and passion behind each song, Which makes songs potentially made to be trendy...real trendy songs. I've also noticed that a demonstration of their good production is that many of their songs age like fine wine time passing by: Domino, Easy, Maniac, All in, ...I'm talking about these ones, not the lead singles, the other tracks...that are very well done and recognisable. Like, can we talk about Easy? The structure is chef kiss
i’m the same as well, it’s insane how every skz’s track has something to surprise me when i first listened to, not just the tiltle track. i do agree skz’s best previlegde is freedom in musical identity. it’s always exciting with every skz comback
Over saturation is ruining kpop! Too many groups at the same time and the silly amount of members in each group will slowly but surely lead to its demise
Okay so I just finished the video and as always, I absolutely love how you didn't shove the information down our faces and jut opted to calmly explaining your opinion. Honestly, I agree with mostly everything you said, although I wouldn't call the post-Queendom 2 thing a trend. And yes, I absolutely hate the term "fell off". Ive may not be in my Stan list, but the amount of incredulousness I felt (is this even the right expression?) when you said people were saying they fell off is just- wow. Thanks for the video! Also, your thumbnails are very click-baity like that they make people mad but when you get to the actual video it's just Juice being calm lol
The only time I think single albums have been used justifiably was for LOONA’s 12 predebut solos. I especially hated the single album debut trend of 2019
The single albums are so annoying, like legit the reason i don't stan ive is cus they have like only 4 songs.... like why?? I mean theyv'e been on the scene for half a year, but I'm starting to lose hope that we're getting more than two songs next cb
The most annoying thing about the term “fell off” is how kpop twt stans uses this term literally not even giving the comeback a month of promotions 😬 i mean i get how a bad quality mv/low streams in a mv may be labeled as “falling off” but I dont understand why theyd immediately use this without giving the cb a month yet 😭 plus labeling a group “falling off” just because of one bad comeback doesnt mean they’re not able to bounce back 😞
i feel like the only reason i wasn’t getting exasperated at jype for debuting xdinary heroes (when they have so many other groups that aren’t even properly managed a lot of the time) was because xdinary heroes isn’t a kpop group, but a band. they only ever had day6 as their band, and with multiple members in the army, as well as jae’s departure from the group, debuting a rookie band with a completely novel concept and style that differentiates them from day6 was something that got me excited.
For queendom 2, i do agree that it was disappointing to see all the participants didnot manage to achieve the level success they wish from the show. But a lot of things can be at fault here too 1. Rushed comeback I do understand the point of coming back right away after QD2, to capitalize on the popularity, but it doesnt always work like that. (G)i-dle's Oh My God wasnt a huge success, they even had a scandal with Soojin. Their success with Tomboy wasnt bc of QD, but bc of the song itself being THAT good. The same with Lovelyz and AOA and even Mamamoo. Oh My Girl was the last to comeback (half a year after QD1) but I believe it was a strategic decision. Non-stop and Dolphin were GREAT songs. In QD2, most participants came back immediately after the show, that led to the 2nd factor imo 2. Lackluster quality of music Loveade, Flip That were not terrible but not enough. They r not any better than their previous songs. I love Up the most and i dont understand why people slept on that. Last Sequence was also great but honestly it doesnt differ from their previous songs. No Thanks by Hyolyn doesnt stray far away from her typical hip hop music which has never been a public choice but her promotion has been pretty strategic. She was on a lot of show and even brought Sistar back on the final ep of Yoo Hee Yeol. So i hope the best for her 3. Lack of viral moments QD2 lacked the viral moments that QD1 had. The show went viral after the song-exchanging round, with AOA and Mamamoo making headlines for their stunning intepretation of each other's songs. Lovelyz was also controversial for their lackluster performance. But the peak was Oh My Girl's Destiny. It was everywhere, the most iconic moment of the franchise. QD2 other than Hyolyn's first 2 performances, didnot have that much to discuss.
I really like your video, because it really describes the situation. Most Groups don't have own identities anymore, so you forget them. Also most groups have just generated pop songs, nothing speciall and again, nothing what stands out.
especially with Ive, I’m slowly getting sick of Love Dive and Eleven. I think it’s okay if a group with a bigger discography releases a single album (cause I can still listen to their other songs), but it there’re less than 5 songs it’s just meh :(
i see where u are coming from with the 'trend-hopping' point, and i agree with it to an extent, but i think that older groups changing their concept isn't as big of a deal. take seventeen for example, their early songs followed a bright, cute, often school-related concept, whereas now their comebacks are more mature, cool, or have a darker vibe to them. it was great while it lasted, but i feel like it wouldn't feel the same if they did it again now, as they are all in their mid twenties and don't look like school boys... seventeen were just the first group i thought of when i saw this topic, and i'm sure that there are other older groups that i WOULD agree to this point with, but i think if a group had an "identity" that they maintained through their concept, and if it really did stick around for a notable time, i don't think that identity ever went away.
I really don't like it when groups debut with single albums, judging whether or not I'll like a group's music by only one or two songs is really difficult, a mini album gives a much better introduction to what they will sound like. (Obviously I understand that it's expensive for smaller companies so those are exceptions of course, but as said in the video, big companies have no excuse.)
I think what the creator means is newjeans is marketed as hybe new girlgroup, and when I firstly heard about is them their introduced as "hybe be gg". So I kinda get it why he said "there's nothing new". Just an opinion tho.
Post Queendom 2 comebacks flopped simply because these groups have released better tracks in the past and their current comebacks do not hold the light to their past comebacks
I think HYBE is reasonable as it’s a label with companies. Another thing is that all of these groups from HYBE have their own sounds and unique style that makes them stands out in this saturated industry. Like TXT is bringing some emo rock thing, le serrafim is going for simple and vogue like music? Enhypen with new concept every comeback (Given taken is so good) like txt and Enhypen is probably the two bg that actually sounds different in 4 gen. NewJeans’s attention has a sense of r&b. I actually appreciate that HYBE is trying to make the industry more refreshing by debuting these groups with specific style.
I don't know it's the same for k-pop, but I know that western artists changed to putting out singles instead of traditional albums because of streaming. It's called the streaming strategy. They do this to maximize music sales, because traditional albums just don't sell as well as they did prior to the streaming era. Hiller & Walter wrote an article about it in 2017, I had to read it in university. I can imagine k-pop is going through the same thing.
I honestly not bothered by companies debuting a lot of new groups. I'm a casual kpop fan so i don't really explore very deep into a group (even if i stan them) unless im really into them. So i just stan the groups i like and honestly don't keep up with companies. If i stan a group, it takes me a lot later into my journey as that group's stan to learn what company they are in etc.
is very few idols who can do a very diversity in their discography but still sounding like their core music and it's definetly red velvet, oneus, mamamoo (esp wheein)
I feel like monsta X too although ppl don't really talk about them. their discography is quite versatile but you know it's a mx song (plus they are producing/composing most of their songs so it helps)
Hybe is not a company but a label, its a difference. All the companies under Hybe are obviously gonna debut groups in order for them to be able to exist as companies. But in rest yeah, I have no idea wth JYPE is doing.
I feel like the argument about jyp debuting too many groups is kinda void as xdinary heroes isnt an idol group its a band and as day6 are enlisting it makes sense to debut a new band and then with stray kids and jyp loud there was less time between got7 debut and stray kids than jyp loud and stray kids but you didnt see anyone complaining about their debuts being too close and debuting too many groups
There are quite a few 4th gen groups that have ONLY released single/two song albums since their debuts. This is the main reason I’m having a really hard time getting into 4th gen groups
In my opinion not only are the companies debuting so many groups recently, but the age of the idols is so concerning. Especially the big companies could wait at least a year or two and not debut 14yo kids. I find it so hard sometimes to enjoy a group's content knowing that they are missing out on they're childhood and school life.
For those who don't know, Studio J was created by Jyp, it just a different division with a name. It was created with different vision back then that's why it has a name. But later became a sub label. (This is not similar with HYBE where they took different companies under them or joined together to create a bigger company or something.) This is different, it was created by the same company, and luckily became a sub label under the same company. Not a "different company then later joined another company" case. And most of the members was a jyp trainees. Actually it doesn't matter either way, under the company means under the company. So don't alienated the group or any group that have rights using those companies name, most especially XH.
I was a fan with most of the queendom groups, and most of their comeback s are amazing to me.. so i really dont understand why everyone was hating on them the whole time (when overall the performance quality was better than qd1) and then not bothering to support any of them after the show. And then your point about fans saying idols "fell off," idk whats wrong with kpop fans these days. its just sad to have this attitude, it just seems ppl are way more judgmental compared to previous years
I am SOOO tired of people missusing "xxx fell off" i even saw someone say Tempest fell off. Like im sorry they just debuted, they havent even made a comeback yet???💀 Also i really despise shock marketing music. I dont want a song to have to grow on me for me to like it. Like i want to like more music on 1st listen. (Also, yes O.O grew on me😁)
can only speak for oneus but thank goodness they've only put out only one single album before with in its time which had 'a song written easily' with one bside 'hide and seek'. but in 2021 they put out 1 full album and 2 minis. a total of 23 new songs! in one year! i won't count valkyrie rock ver from binary code but instead will add original 'only one' from the black mirror ep. so. 23! amazing. i would go cry if all we got was 4 or 6 songs in a year
Also, this sentence just makes me confused and mad: *Slayy with those live vocals, those other groups can't even do it on stage* Like you'll sense what they're pointing out and that made me *frustrated with that kind of hype kpop fans does.* They're just throwing words that they don't even know the reason in the first place.
yes for the trendhopping point i think thats why gidle did so well with tomboy it was a breath of fresh air from all the noise and generic music we were used to the punk, rebel concept was so nice
I became a kpop stan around 2012 thanks to SNSD and the last trend is sooooo true... Companies used to debut groups with 3-4-5 years difference and, if it was less it was just a boygroup and then 1 or 2 years later a girlgroup. Never the same to avoid competition and such and I miss that so much... Kpop is so saturated that, just like you, me who used to know all the groups, even members names while not stanning, try a lot of songs from different artists, don't even bother to remember groups names anymore let alone keep up with releases unless it's my favorites like ateez, seventeen and twice... It's seriously a shame and I fear that i'll gradually stop listening to kpop once my favorites release less and less... It's sad since it was most of my teenagee/ early adulthood years...
You hit it dead on the nail with what’s annoying about the “fell off” trend. Ktubers on here have only been saying that after ONE comeback and simply because they don’t like it. I HATE how this community loves to ruin the meanings of things simply by misusing and over using the word in the wrong context.
You can check BeautyBox, they are a nugu group that debuted and had 1 comeback but i see a very different identity from other groups. For example, for the 1st comeback, they used the DOLL concept, no one ever did this, sooo check out them bc they need recognition and they DESERVE it
Honestly I'm okay with single albums if the songs are good. Like lots of studio albums have filler tracks and among the songs only 2-3 are actually good, basically the same as singles
The issue with companies debuting too many groups is really annoying. I would consider myself some what of a HYPE Stan (I don’t defend them but I Stan BTS, TXT and le sserafim) and I’m not even exited for the new girl group I already have le sserafim. I’m gonna tune in for their debut but I don’t think I’ll ad them to my stan list
man~ I was thinking about your final comment about over saturation because of multiple groups being debuted from the same company. And I think I sort of agree, except when it comes to groups being debuted under hybe. Because unlike the other big companies, hybe is hybe labels, meant to function as an umbrella company for “smaller” companies/labels and each label seems to be functioning on its own timeline and releasing groups and music accordingly as well
i don't know what happened with the post-qd2 comebacks really, wjsn aren't really digital monsters but they were stable during unnatural era so seeing last sequence perform worse on bugs was a surprise to be honest (they had the least listeners out of 4 groups in melon with 143,600) but their sales have grown a lot and that's a good thing for them, not much surprise with viviz and kep1er's digital performance going down since they're technically new names in the industry so anything can happen really (viviz sales have improved though and loveade is going semi-viral within the idol world). additional point: all qd2 did is a huge fanwar actually, the way these fandoms are fighting each other because some didn't get a win for their comebacks T-T
LOUDERRR on the single albums!! not enough groups nowadays are releasing full albums or even just mini albums and it’s just frustrating. ive’s music so far has been spectacular, but all three of their releases have been singles and i’m hoping it’s leading up to a full album at some point
The thing with WJSN is, Starship's marketing team is almost nonexistent. (Which at the announcement of IVE's comeback this August, fucking makes sense. They were focusing on their baby and moneymaker, which is fair, but hurts as an ujung.) While Last Sequence is good, they only appear in radio shows. Goddamnit. No other plans or whatsover.
@@einnieniemah8655 yeah, but back then you could at be like oh, they are still a new company, they don't know what they are doing, but 10+ years later and nothing changed
I agree with you on basically all of this. Regarding the over-saturation with groups I immediately thought of how BTS, ATEEZ, Stray Kids and the SM groups have a more or less consistent storyline through their releases, which I think draw attention as well. It's very thought out. Ofc groups without a storyline can also become very successful, but especially nugu groups lack both this concept line and often originality. Think about groups like EPEX, drippin, Just B, they all have this kind of dark loud concept for their songs but it doesn't stand out as much because groups with the same concept debuted around the same time and take the light from each other. Plus, there are just way too many groups now. But TAN for example stands out with their unique sound of music
it's come to my attention that some kpop stans don't listen to the bsides of their faves, so it doesn't matter to them if they only release single albums💀
The only groups I listen to their b-sides are SHINee and onlyoneof. The other groups I like, I listen to only their title tracks, if I like them. I listen to b-sides more from soloists than groups.
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Pls do an IU topic🙏🙏🙏 a lot of young fans tend to hate her, mostly cause shes their idols crush or she beats their idols on the charts. Pls explain how legendary IU is and why she should be respected by fandoms
@@iambarryallen yahhh.
Why do they hate her though
She is sooo talented ,hard working and kind.
She has everything and with no remorse or anything against her.
I don't understand them.
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I would add one more trend that ruins kpop: fans nowadays are crazy about statistics. They will start comparing which of their favourite idol groups are the best in terms of album sales, digital, views, etc.
If the group ranks first in whatever statistics, they feel superior and start belittling others.
Agreed. All those numbers used to try and label each other "irrelevant"
and at the end of the day, it wont validate the groups overall quality. just bc they are popular or sell well does not mean theyre good😭
it's like with soccer fan clubs, people get off on stanning "winners" and make it a part of their own identity and self-worth
Flop is another term thrown around by…certain statistic fanatics
whats worse is they're bulk buying and polluting the world by throwing away a bunch of copies of those albums their faves are "selling"
so true on the fell off term. going along with what you said, ive also noticed that if a group has a comeback, they’re talked about a lot in the moment but as soon as less and less people start talking about them and the comeback people say they fell off. like huh??? make it make sense
yes!! i’ve realized the exact thing
people switch up all the time and it’s so annoying
people's attention spans are way too short nowadays
i blame people's short attention span and constant need for something new
People said Twice would fall off when some people didn't like SIGNAL. Just puts into perspective how people don't know what they are talking about and just get in their feelings when a group releases one comeback they don't vibe with.
Trend-hopping is the most noticeable of these issues imo and it is a bit annoying but it also gives a specific vibe to each year / part of the year which is kind of fun
Makes it boring in my opinion and honestly is a horrible decision for companies. If everyone is doing the same thing only a few will stand out and with everyone using their efforts to continue with trends they lose they originality and personal image.
@@asxtro7145 I disagree. As an example, Weeekly has gained more fans and doubled their sales after switching concepts. Some concepts are simply more sought out than others.
yeah but then the groups themselves lose self identity and any sort of differentiation from other groups. Add that you might straight up not like a trend and there goes a whole season of kpop cause everyone is doing it.
@@Justcetriyaart totally valid opinion
@@reyses1x2 That's lowkey a misconception. People who bought their Ven Para albums are fans from previous promotions/before their concept change. I dont think someone who is completely new to them be like "OMG, this group do dark concept, gotta buy their albums". Also, for the record, they completely skipped Ven Para during their Dream Concert appearance and they all wear super bright color outfits during that event, so that maybe hinting that they wanna go back to that concept
Trend hopping is horrible. Weeekly is probably the number one group I can think of. They were killing it with their high teen music and had a core concept and suddenly they went with girl crush Ven Para. They could’ve totally just matured their concept like fromis_9 or went with an elegant school girl concept like love dive. They’re still teens so I was lost when the company said they can’t be teens forever like ??????
i do like ven para (i do have a love/hate relationship with the music production of the song) but i do agree that it was such a sudden turn that i almost confused them for a different group.
I also stanned weeekly for their teen crush music... Now I kinda lost interest in them
(Also jiyoon😭) I hope they go back to it
their company should've done a bit like what FNC does with their groups. SF9 didn't debut with sexy concept, they started it later as they matured and all members were adults. CheBul initially were with a cute/funky one but they changed to a more mature one as they grew up. The concept should match the overall age of the group to not make ppl embarrassed or just not wanting to stan them bc the concept is "off" like literal minors doing sexy concepts (like Enha with Fever and Le Sserafim with Fearless, like umm they are 16-)
I haaaated ven para so I def agree.
Except that's not true for Weeekly. Their Ven Para album sold double the amount that their previous albums sold. Changing concepts actually worked well for them. They're actually a good example as to why groups swap concepts to match a trend. CLC was the same way where they got WAY more attention for hopping onto a trend. Then you have groups like Dreamcatcher and Purple Kiss who have tried to define their own concept regardless of whatever the current meta is and people don't pay attention to them (Or in the case with Dreamcatcher, it took YEARS and multiple fandoms coming together to finally give them the recognition they deserved)
Definitely agree on the channel member's choice, having too many groups debuting in the same period of time can even be overwhelming for k-pop stans who will lose interest or step back from these groups or k-pop as a whole
Literally that's what happening to me. Like I love kpop but every time I log on there's always a new group and the group that I'm stanning has already released 10 more songs in just 2ish months. Like I love the music but I feel so left behind that my interests have started to change into something that can be less stressful. Why is kpop so stressful nowadays?!
yea i agree. i honestly got overwhelmed by all of the groups debuting and comebacks happening (more than normal, being a multistan obviously i'm getting a lot of content), i stepped back from kpop. like i'm grateful that they're working hard and getting the attention they deserve but hELP calm down!! it was too much so i left lmao
@@noonebutme9420 exactly!!! i know they work hard but it's actually so stressful for fans. give the groups time to rest. not only do the groups ESPECIALLY need the rest, but the fans' brains need rest so they don't get bombarded with content.
@@noonebutme9420 Why can't you just follow one group? Where does this compulsion of following all groups come from? No one is forcing you to follow all of them.
@@reyses1x2 it's not just a one group thing but more of an in general thing. With all of the new groups coming out you'll constantly get notifications saying "HAVE U LISTENED TO THIS SONG" on a daily basis. I understand that I can't follow every group but it's mentally exhausting when I check some kpop news and it's about a newly debuted group that I haven't listen to but everyone knows about. As a result of this I tend to feel a little bit behind because unlike most kpop stans, I am unable to know what is happening to the kpop community on a daily basis. So overtime due to the oversaturation I start to lose interest of the community as a whole and only focus on a few groups.
I agree with oversaturation of single music, like I need to listen more from groups I found has potential to have good discography
i def recommend listening to new jeans, they’re a new gg that has pre-releases
@@frncnrll i loved their song attention, the r&b vibes omg i need it on Spotify asap😭
As someone who has been a kpop fan for over 10 years now trend-hopping has to be one of the worst patterns i've noticed in kpop. It has killed soo many groups over the years. You will not and cannot build a consistent and loyal fandom by just hopping on whatever trend or sound is popular at the time. Kpop is way to saturated now and fans are looking for what suits their taste. They will have expectations for each group and unless the group is really big they risk losing a large portion of what would have been loyal fans by changing their concept over and over again.
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Yes! you explained it really well
you're right, i've also been into kpop for just about 10 years and i noticed that i'm having a hard time stanning groups with most of what's left of 2nd gen not being my thing anymore, a lot of the 3rd gen groups i like going through enlistment and disbandment and most 4th gen groups i like in general having really hit or miss comebacks as of the las few years
Preach! Having a shift in concept is normal & can even work better for the group like how txt slowly shifted to a more mature & rock sound. However, constantly changing music & hoping on different trends for every comeback, results in a lack of music identity which doesn't allow for a loyal fanbase.
"Fell off" became the new "flop"
The trend that is ruining kpop the most is stanning only new groups. Part of what makes 4th gen highly competitive is the fact that every year kpop stans (and specially korean gp) stop caring about the groups that debuted the years before. It happened to txt, itzy, enhypen, it's happenning to aespa and it's going to happen to all the groups that have debuted this year.
In a highly competitive environment where people only follow new and trendy things and cancel culture is the norm, it isn't surprising that companies are debuting so many groups, with very little amount of songs and noise marketing.
Kpop stans love to criticize companies without realising they are marketing experts that keep close attention to what YOU like and know where and how they can squeeze the most profits.
Yes that's definitely the real issue. That's why older groups are also still trying to appeal the general public. Some of them are even changing their whole sound. This thing was always an issue for Kpop industry but I've never seen it like that before. Aespa was a literal monster in 2021 then they immediately give their monster rookie title to IVE then Le Sserafim then maybe Nmixx? Txt's album sales are good but their streams are too low right now and Enhypen is taking their lead immediately. Who knows which group will be the next trend but it's not okay for sure.
GP has not cared about boy groups in 10 years except bts and bigbang. Last bg group song that everyone knew was like growl
@@dickidsrip5262 Korean gp only doesn't care about 4th Gen bg's. 2nd and 3rd gen bg's are loved even today and their comebacks chart very well.
@@stelrex7293 how many of those are still active?
@@JustMe-12345 TLDR: There's still a lot of active 2nd/3rd gen boy groups.
Amongst 2nd Gen groups, there's SHINEE, Big Bang, Super Junior. There's more, I just don't follow 2nd Gen groups as much.
Meanwhile, amongst 3rd Gens there's a lot. EXO, BTS, Seventeen, NCT, GOT7 - basically if the group debuted around 2011 to 2018, they're considered as 3rd gen groups.
"fell off" is so annoying… just because a group misses once with their release doesn’t mean they fell off 😭 not every single release is bound to be succesful or likeable… but also most stans use fell off just for one category, like when some group doesn’t get as many views in 24 hrs but still do well on charts and sales that doesn’t mean they fell off 😭
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It's so overused! I hate it. I'm sure the annoying attention seeking brain dead stans saying fell off every 2 minutes know that, and just say it bc it's keeping attention on them. They know they sound stupid, they do it anyway for attention
Kpop stans are just throwing words around now a days. Literally when I first got into kpop nobody was like this, and if there was people would call them out. It was so much more enjoyable. But now EVERYTHING is about cancel culture and it makes me so tired. Like is this really what kpop has come to, it's literally a music genre and these people out here sending death threats?? Don't get me started with scandals, these stans do not gaf about the person nor anyone involved. They just want to hop on these trends...
The downside of social media's rapid growth I guess... I got into Kpop around 2015-2016 and while it's not as laid back as the years before that, it was still a better time than nowadays. Nowadays stans tend find fault in everything and make the scene less enjoyable 😭
@@internationalrelations4973 kpop is a little less enjoyable now and I’m just speechless about it 🤦🏾♀️ 😶
@@internationalrelations4973 times were honestly more funny, i remember when jokes were actual jokes and now it's about issues we shouldn't joke about, if that makes sense. There's still those people out there but I'm more likely to see hate than support at times
I think it's trendy right now to be negative and critical for funnies and to get a rise out of people.
fr i can't even remember how many times ive heard people say "she's a pick me" for laughing- like if you don't know what it means just shut up
Beautiful Monster became an instant favourite for me. I feel like literally every modern kpop song is being made just to become trends on tiktok. EVERY comeback now has "song name challenge" like, not everything has to be a challenge on tiktok, a song should be able to stand on its own without needing a tiktok trend to be popular. Beautiful Monster and all of StayCs music in general are made with so much love and they're made to be music not a trend. I recently became a hard core StayC fan and I have become so appreciative of their music and the girls genuine passion for it.
I'm a Swith as well but ASAP seemed like a perfect tiktok song tbh. Every other title track I'd agree with you that it has been about the music rather than trend hopping. Although without trend hopping they would've debuted with Stereotype instead of So Bad, so it isn't all bad.
So true man, i really loved BM , but seens people didnt like it just because its not the same cheap copy cat song most groups are releasing ....
Same I also really liked Beautiful Monster. The lyrics were so heart-touching and the vocals made it even better since STAYC are very good at putting emotion into they’re voices when they sing. The dynamics in the song are also really good. I looked at the bts of the song recording and I was honeslty amazed, made me love STAYC even more with their unique and strong vocals.
Agree completely. I appreciate the high quality of music they release and not follow trends. STAYC’s music is just so refreshing.
Another current trend ruining Kpop that NOBODY is talking about is "View Counting." While it may seem like a great thing since multiple numbers of views might mean that Kpop is gaining more attention and recognition it is also a bad thing and a small group killer, nowadays the notion that if an mv has a view of less than 20 million it automatically means the group either sucks or they are categorized as flops. Gone are the old days of Kpop when we care more about the music and artists delivering them and not caring about the views.
Yeah i miss those days when kpop was all about the music and not the view count
T r u e 😭😭 they don't care about groups with less views, if it has less than 50M it's a flop for them.
My biggest issue with oversaturation is this:
Idc about there being many new groups under one label, but I care about how such a higher proportion of active groups are from huge labels with large amounts of resources and funding. It’s pushing nugu groups further and further out of the limelight as the industry is already over saturated with groups from big companies so how could there be any room for those from smaller.
I feel like the chances of us ever getting a group like mamamoo, gfriend, or even like loona and dreamcatcher who have shot to large popularity despite debuting from small companies is just so minimal now. Sure some nugu groups manage to get to some decent success, but there’s still few of those and the hope for them to really ever gain much popularity just feels so much more limited now.
I think it goes both ways. More groups are debuting BECAUSE there are more resources in the market as kpop becomes more popular internationally. As somebody who used to find nugu groups for fun, I really wouldn't say the number of new groups debuting has increased, but the number of groups staying ALIVE has certainly increased because of platforms like youtube, lives, etc. where small groups manage to hash out a living. Fans just used to not hear about nugu groups because they'd disappear after one or two years at most because it was unsustainable, but now groups stick around long enough to feel like they're competing for and losing the limelight possibilities. While maybe making it huge is more difficult because more and more groups are entering the actual competitive ring, big company or not, it's actually easier to stay alive as a small company.
This.
yea, and the fact that a majority of kpop stans only know and care about groups from the BIg 3 and HYBE makes it a losing battle overall for groups debuting under smaller and not well-known companies.
I was about to comment about Dreamcatcher🤚🏻😭
Yeah... DC and Mamamoo saved their companies from going bankrupt.... I can only respect them as w/o Mamamoo, there would be no Oneus/Onewe/Purple Kiss. I would say the same for DC but they are the only ones in their company with a solid fanbase.
YES i’m so tired of the debates between songs like o.o and hit ya 😭 waiting for it to stop
I really love how oh my girl kept their concept even though so many groups changed their concept to girl crush or strong concepts
the industry really needs groups like oh my girl
Yess 🙌
Twice mostly maintained their concept too
agree!!!
honestly loona and kep1er both saw huge increases in album sales post-queendom2. loona broke 100k+ sales in about a week, won 2 music shows, topped music charts with all their songs, and several of the members have gotten solo gigs or small group gigs with some of the lesser popular members. kep1er also had major improvements in their album sales as well, so i really think queendom2 went really well for them so far.
Thank you for your positive comment
I agree that Kepler and LOONA have seen growth, LOONA especially. Not as large as G-idle or Oh My Girl, but LOONA took 2 wins for the first time against major competition (whereas their past wins, the biggest group they defeated was Brave Girls, this time they won over BTS and Twice soloist). Their sales also increased. You could make a case that Wa-Da-Da did better on the charts than Up, but it also got wins and increased sales.
I'm sorry, but kep1er would've been better off without the show. They were rookie with 1 mini album and don't even have their own song to sing for their own fans.
100% agree, they both slayed
I don't think they really topped charts
Agree with the single album, tho for me i like listening in one song in repeat, however i like it when they have many songs or b-sides in an album, so that i can choose or enjoy the songs. That's why i like Twice because they have at least 4+ b-sides in every comeback
I think the charm of queendom 1 that wasn't in queendom 2 to is the number if senior groups they had. Technically one of the biggest attractive factor was most of the groups were older, lesser known and groups who were really popular but had faded out from general public listening (they had a strong hardcore fandom but weren't as popular in the general public), with exception of mamamoo and gidle (who were newer and/or more popular than the rest but still broke expectations), and that's what made it surprising since there wasn't much expectation originally. But most of the q2 groups were already trending/well known (braves girls, hyolyn) or just too new (kepler, and technically viviz), with exception of WJSN and technically loona. IMO there weren't many performances from q2 that I would rewatch now and the impression they left wasn't as memorable and q1.
Oversaturation is nothing new when an industry becomes big - it happened in movies, gaming, western pop etc. You just have to stop thinking about the fear of missing out and just listen to whatever you like, you dont need to know every group ever or check out all of their music. Keep in mind that if you ask for less groups to debut that means more trainees wasting years in the companies dungeons.
Watched dreamcatcher in concert and boy was I grateful that they were not in queendom
Haha what do you mean?
@@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 Rather than spend time on queendom, they had a full album comeback with songs for each member, 2 wins, album sales of 136k (close to the winners of queendom 139k), performed in primavera festival in Spain, K-pop flex in Germany and had a usa tour for almost 3 weeks and are headed to mexico next. Those girls have hopefully made money that would not have been made had they participated in queendom. Hence why I was grateful. Once again, they dodged another bullet with queendom like they did with mixnine
@@careen5859 Ah gotcha. For a sec I thought you meant that there was something wrong with their performances or something and so you were glad they didn't compete lol XD That didn't seem right so I wanted to clarify. Good for them!
@@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 I can see why you'd think that. The framing of my sentence was off.
@@careen5859 No problem! I was really happy for Dreamcatcher when they got their first win, way overdue and well deserved. :)
with the oversaturation thing i def think youre right but remember that "hybe" is a collection of labels and should *really* be treated as that, not one all-knowing all-seeing entity ♡
is a collection of labels but they are picky about who wants to support, it's clear that they bought companies but are going to "mark" them. also, groups like leeserafilm were marketed as hybe (bighit itself) first gg after glam, it's difficult to not treat them as one
they're pretty much the same now. when big hit acquired them they became the same thing, their music sounds similar, their restrictions are the same. specially the senior groups. even if they say they're different we all know big hit owns all of them as a single thing
@@ericjiayu7408 thats because le sserfim is specifically a group made in collaboration with source music and hybe look at their spotify description it literally says it there new jeans in 100% made by min heejin.
@@ericjiayu7408 you realize that for hybe to have put in money to acquire a company they would’ve researched benefits. And calling Le sserafim Bighits first gg after glam isn’t a lie. It’s the literal truth so it’s not marking it’s an obvious statement. How you treat them based on that statement has nothing to do with the company or parent label
To be honest even tho they come from different subsidiaries they're still promoted and known as hybe grps. Only a few know and care about the sub labels. People are still gonna call them hybe grps.
Personally, I can tolerate Xdinary Heroes and Hybe groups getting debuted. For Xdinary Heroes, they are not directly under JYP and they aren't a group, but a band which puts them in a slightly different scene from others. For HYBE, their groups come from different companies under them, so while HYBE has their hands on these groups, the groups can be seen as belonged to different agencies too. I'm not a HYBE stan though so this could be wrong. I only know this from my friend
I agree with you! Also I feel like groups like Xdinary heroes, enhypen and lesserafim are pretty different from other groups of their labels and they bring something new and interesting to kpop. I'm not sure whether it's the same case with nmixx (their music is still too obscure to me) and newjeans but I hope their cases will be the same
You're actually right. People will think that HYBE is the one debuting the grps however they are just a part of it. It's the companies and labels under HYBE that's debuting the grps. TXT is under bighit. ENHYPEN is under Belift. Le sserafim is under source music. And the new grp newjeans is under Ador. Bighit, Belift and Ador are labels of HYBE while source music is a company or subsidiary of HYBE
@@itsnara3290 same thoughts
I would agree if it felt like the groups were substantially different from each other, but it doesn't feel that way to me. TXT and Enhypen are under different labels, but there is a fair amount of overlap in the key players behind the scenes like producers. Given the similarities in the members vocal techniques, I would guess there's some overlap in the vocal coaches as well. The fact that both groups have changed their style/sound around a bit also creates overlap. It'll be interesting to see whether this changes with the new group from Japan.
Yes even Xdinary Heroes Concept and song is so different from other K-band.
One thing that is ruining kpop for me is that I feel like most music nowadays feels more like it was made to trend on tick dock rather than releasing really good music.
Fr, especially with girl groups which often have similar girl crush concepts (would be fine if they all didn't sound so similar bar a few), or with boy groups and how they're all leaning to being loud and rap heavy (a reason why I dislike stray kids)
Omg same
"Fell off"
Translation: Not a meme/viral hit.
Kpop Stans want *ahem* I mean need every single Kpop release to blow their socks off and that's just not possible.
Stayc did not “fall off” with Beautiful Monster, that song is amazing
I agree
Objectively it is not at anywhere near the level of Stereotype, ASAP or Run.
@@Lotsielots disagree, especially compared to ASAP, it's just qualitatively better
@@Lotsielots but that's not objective lol that's very subjective
my problem with current kpop, when it becomes more about costumes and 'story line' over music. music is why I follow groups, not for 'fantasy' 'timeline' or 'coming of age' stories. for that, I'll just watch a show.
Tbh I think having a storyline is great if the music is also good. Dreamcatcher dexecuted this perfectly by mixing kpop and rock together as well as having a fun storyline. I feel it's more dance kpop groups focus on which don't get me wrong, is nice, but I come to kpop to listen and hear some nice vocals and music. It feels like the industry is only focusing on dance nowadays and less on actual vocals which is really annoying.
@@PedroPony833 bascialy the same as what you said. I don't mind story lines, I enjoyed them at first, same with dance, but 1st thing is always the music. I don't like them spending so much money on costume, mv and storylines but not get great producers. Just like you, I don't like random instrimentals for the dance break that deson't sound good with the rest of the song
Most fans aren’t there for the music that’s why most of the songs sound similar or unoriginal.
As the great philosopher doja cat once said: “talkin' 'bout I fell off, you ain’t even get on”
The last one was so true
When a new group debuts coming from the big 4, the majority of kpop fans will say *omg I'm gonna stan them*
In my case, I would just listen to their music and that's it. I'm enough with 5 girl groups I stan.
big 3, there's no big 4
@@xbaeksky
Hybe is included in big 4
@@samanthakim5035 nope it's its big3 plus hybe. Sure hybe has a lot of great artists but the big3 were the pioneer entertainment companies of korean music Industry and hence they're the big3.
@@reveee.127
A lot of Korean news companies called now big 4
@@samanthakim5035 no, there's no such thing as a big4 and it it ever exists cube should be the fourth. we're talking about the pioneers of kpop, the ones that started everything we know now as kpop. even if "some korean news called them big4" is not valid, plus hybe is a group of companies, whereas the others are just one.
Honestly if JYPe just kept Stray Kids, Itzy, Xdinary Heroes and Nmixx it would be ok. Why?
Well, let's see:
Stray kids - it's own niche style, bg
Itzy - heavy dance group, gg
Xdinary heroes - a band heck yeah!
Nmixx - a vocal heavy gg.
each group fit a certain criteria. That worked.
Trends that I hate and will always hate are youtube shorts dance challenges and the fan (spam) cams with multiple angles that music tv shows put out.
The thing with JYP double debut is that xdinary heroes is a band so I feel like it’s slightly different than two K-pop groups
I agree with the "trend hopping" thing and its something that I've been thinking about about a lot lately. I hate seeing groups that I loved for their unique concepts and music styles begin to to just do whatever is popular. It just makes it so that everything is too similar and there's nothing unique or interesting to listen to because everyone is just putting out the same stuff which can make kpop so boring because like who doesn't want a lil variety in their music. And when they start just following trends, its always so obvious how greatly the quality of their music drops.
Ikr!
"Fell off" "Ace" "All rounder" "Leaders" "Perfect"... and the list goes on. All of those lost their meaning with Kpop, everything is exaggerated and overhyped.
In my opinion, there is only one Ace in kpop and it's Lee Taemin.
I respect your opinion. But there’s more artist who are fit in the “Ace” title.
seulgi.
How can you say that after Queendom 2 where Hyolyn showed she is a true ace.
is the though? ace really means to be able to sing, rap, dance, perform, produce, and maybe even help with developing choreography. at least that’s the definition i agree with and idk if he does all of that he’s mostly a dancer and a vocalist i haven’t seen him do much else
not when hyolyn is also here
Really annoying clickbait
Beautiful monster is a beautiful song and it was lovely to see stayc do a concept like that
I feel like trend hopping is understandable especially from smaller companies and I think its fine IF its done right, the group could still have a general concept and sound but mayhe add some elements of trends into while not completely changing their original concept for example if your concept is more dark but retro is trending add some retro sounds but keep it dark still or if your concept is cute and experimental is trending add some experimental sounds but still keep it cute
Also I feel like if the trend suits your groups image then I don’t mind like txt and tbz doing retro ill be like ok but if skz or atz I would be a bit confused 😂
Now I'm imagining how that would be it ateez doing retro 😭 what would the sound be??
@@internationalrelations4973 Maybe something like their bside Take me home
Ateez have already done retro and tbh it's one of my fave songs of theirs 😊 but yeah it was only a bside so idk if it counts 😅 showed us what ateez doing retro sounds like though
I have something to say to the facts “too many groups” and “only following trends”. I am myself am A HUGE boygroup stan, but not a single boygroup debut the last 1-2 years gained my attention. They’re all so noisy but in the same way, only following trends? Like I love ateez’s music and it’s noisy too but… different noisy? The new bg’s only blend in into each other and when not a single song catches my attention, it’s hard to get interested in the members too. Lowkey scared that’ll be at some point the reason I get out of kpop
Literally... the last conceptual BG I saw is OnlyOneOf, where they stuck to sensual sexy music and they even remixed their covers to fit their sensual concept
Kind of agree. The only newly debuted boygroup that recently caught my eye was younite, because of their bright concept amidst the noisy debuts
Same, Ateez is like the most recent boy group that I truly stan, even as boygroup stan it’s been hard for me to really get into more recent boy groups. So much music that boy groups have been releasing all sound the same and it’s becoming over saturated, which is probably why I’m having hard time finding newer boy groups to get into. I think that latest boy groups that peaked my interest are CIX and Ghost9 and that was back in 2020.
Literally same. I really like Ateez the most out of all the boy groups in the 4th gen right now. One thing I am really amazed is that they really stick with their storyline. Their lore are amazing, not even a big stan but I was so curious about it that I already watched some explanation about their storyline. Also checked their current comeback, and I actually liked it! It sounds so Ateez but not Ateez (because I think this is their first time to do this genre) at the same time. It’s just sad to see some stans that keeps on calling Ateez are just noise music but I beg to disagree. Everyone should check out their discography, they have so much to offer!
I personally got into some more recent bgs (EN-, P1H, XH...) even buying albums but I'm disappointed by Enha's latest cb direction. Like they'd something "original" when they debuted but this whole webtoon linked cb isn't for me😭
Ngl I'm still into kpop/music thanks to some artists that keep their music direction and don't stray too far from their "own charm"/"identity"!
WELP KINDA RANTED 🤚🏻😃
Oh my god I was worried that I was the only one who began to feel like some of these 4th gen songs don’t feel memorable enough . There are some good groups out there but your right a lot of the things we are seeing right now feel like trend hopping. They can’t seem to stick to a core image and and I can’t seem to get a sense of what some groups images are . 2-3rd gen we’re really good at giving you a clear image of what they want to represent. I love each generation but I would like to see a variety of what certain groups can offer instead of “going with the time’s”
kpop stans just throw random words they read on twitter/tiktok and act like they know anything abt music istg
So happy you talked about "fell off" like I'm confused on what it's supposed to mean
it was when someone said "Ive fell off" that I knew I was done with this stupid phrase lmao 💀
I like mini albums…4-6 songs are perfect for my short attention span😅
If the music/concept is too similar between newer groups, it’s definitely harder for me to stick with any of them. I have to give it to MCND, P1Harmony, and to a certain extent groups like Seventeen and CIX because it seems to me they have stuck to their style from day 1 and still make it interesting!
Thanks for the video👍🏻
I've noticed that people will say a group fell off, because they had a comeback that is less in your face, and more chill or softer based (a title track) too. I mean they're not using the term right
Seeing how easy people misuse the term "fell off" after judging ONE comeback makes me think of kids who got scolded by their parents for their bad behavior and then immediatelly think their parents now hate them 😭
Tbh stayc fell on with beautiful monster I’m just a casual stan of theirs but I’ve been streaming that album over and over again and I’m even getting the album it’s just too amazing like omg
+1. I ordered the album last night! I got the "Power" version (the green one).
@@FifthGate nice!! I like both versions but I prefer the love concept but I can’t buy it for like a week or 2 bc I’m going on vacation so it’ll mess up the shipping or something idk and I need money so I’m working for it
Stayc is amazing
@@Style_224 yes 😌
If JYP made AD MARE into:
"O.O (Baila)"
"Superhero"
"TANK"
NMIXX WOULD'VE MADE HISTORY IN A GOOD WAY
New jeans songs are refreshing both Attention and Hypeboy
I'm all for their music...
I think that's why I love Stray Kids so much, I listen to a lot of heavier hiphop, trap and dark synthwave, and I know that I can expect those influences in most skz non-ballads, and I'm never disappointed. Whenever they do something new, their sound and trademark is still so obvious. But I'm not saying it's because their better than everyone else, they have the huge privilege of almost complete artistic freedom, which sadly is very uncommon, most groups are just money making products for their companies, and therefore the companies will want them to jump on any current trend, instead of allowing them the chance to set the trends like skz has been able to do. It makes me kinda sad, because I've been wanting to find another k-pop group with a similar style that I can get nerdy with, but everytime I find a banger from another group, I find that the rest of their songs sound nothing like that.
I agree! 👍🏼
Stan skz for happiness!
Same! I like many groups but to me Stray Kids is the only one with many bangers, I like their style and the fact that you can easily identify it, their songs follow the trends but there is also a lot of thought and passion behind each song, Which makes songs potentially made to be trendy...real trendy songs. I've also noticed that a demonstration of their good production is that many of their songs age like fine wine time passing by: Domino, Easy, Maniac, All in, ...I'm talking about these ones, not the lead singles, the other tracks...that are very well done and recognisable. Like, can we talk about Easy? The structure is chef kiss
i’m the same as well, it’s insane how every skz’s track has something to surprise me when i first listened to, not just the tiltle track. i do agree skz’s best previlegde is freedom in musical identity. it’s always exciting with every skz comback
Over saturation is ruining kpop! Too many groups at the same time and the silly amount of members in each group will slowly but surely lead to its demise
Okay so I just finished the video and as always, I absolutely love how you didn't shove the information down our faces and jut opted to calmly explaining your opinion. Honestly, I agree with mostly everything you said, although I wouldn't call the post-Queendom 2 thing a trend. And yes, I absolutely hate the term "fell off". Ive may not be in my Stan list, but the amount of incredulousness I felt (is this even the right expression?) when you said people were saying they fell off is just- wow. Thanks for the video! Also, your thumbnails are very click-baity like that they make people mad but when you get to the actual video it's just Juice being calm lol
The only time I think single albums have been used justifiably was for LOONA’s 12 predebut solos. I especially hated the single album debut trend of 2019
Oh no, I love beautiful monster
I hate the queendom/kingdom curse these shows just create or worsen fan wars
The single albums are so annoying, like legit the reason i don't stan ive is cus they have like only 4 songs.... like why?? I mean theyv'e been on the scene for half a year, but I'm starting to lose hope that we're getting more than two songs next cb
Right???? Like groups really disappear for half a year and come back with only two songs?!
The most annoying thing about the term “fell off” is how kpop twt stans uses this term literally not even giving the comeback a month of promotions 😬 i mean i get how a bad quality mv/low streams in a mv may be labeled as “falling off” but I dont understand why theyd immediately use this without giving the cb a month yet 😭 plus labeling a group “falling off” just because of one bad comeback doesnt mean they’re not able to bounce back 😞
i feel like the only reason i wasn’t getting exasperated at jype for debuting xdinary heroes (when they have so many other groups that aren’t even properly managed a lot of the time) was because xdinary heroes isn’t a kpop group, but a band.
they only ever had day6 as their band, and with multiple members in the army, as well as jae’s departure from the group, debuting a rookie band with a completely novel concept and style that differentiates them from day6 was something that got me excited.
definitely agree with 4, nothing worse than artist who has no personal identity. it makes it hard to connect to the group.
I’m SO tired of single albums. Its like, where is the MUSIC??? 4 songs a year is not sufficient lol!
Most groups that release single albums release a mini album less than 6 months after though..?
For queendom 2, i do agree that it was disappointing to see all the participants didnot manage to achieve the level success they wish from the show. But a lot of things can be at fault here too
1. Rushed comeback
I do understand the point of coming back right away after QD2, to capitalize on the popularity, but it doesnt always work like that. (G)i-dle's Oh My God wasnt a huge success, they even had a scandal with Soojin. Their success with Tomboy wasnt bc of QD, but bc of the song itself being THAT good. The same with Lovelyz and AOA and even Mamamoo. Oh My Girl was the last to comeback (half a year after QD1) but I believe it was a strategic decision. Non-stop and Dolphin were GREAT songs. In QD2, most participants came back immediately after the show, that led to the 2nd factor imo
2. Lackluster quality of music
Loveade, Flip That were not terrible but not enough. They r not any better than their previous songs. I love Up the most and i dont understand why people slept on that. Last Sequence was also great but honestly it doesnt differ from their previous songs. No Thanks by Hyolyn doesnt stray far away from her typical hip hop music which has never been a public choice but her promotion has been pretty strategic. She was on a lot of show and even brought Sistar back on the final ep of Yoo Hee Yeol. So i hope the best for her
3. Lack of viral moments
QD2 lacked the viral moments that QD1 had. The show went viral after the song-exchanging round, with AOA and Mamamoo making headlines for their stunning intepretation of each other's songs. Lovelyz was also controversial for their lackluster performance. But the peak was Oh My Girl's Destiny. It was everywhere, the most iconic moment of the franchise. QD2 other than Hyolyn's first 2 performances, didnot have that much to discuss.
I really like your video, because it really describes the situation. Most Groups don't have own identities anymore, so you forget them. Also most groups have just generated pop songs, nothing speciall and again, nothing what stands out.
Starship is the worst enemy of WJSN, thay underprinted the albums TT so that ruined their chance for a win etc
kpop companies need to stop debuting minors I am so sick of it like the youngest member of the new hybe gg is a CHILD.
Its been around for a long time and i dont think it will be gone soon. Still disgusting
single album is a no no esp for rookie groups like.. i cant just decide to stan a group with only less than 4 songs to listen
THIS👏👏
especially with Ive, I’m slowly getting sick of Love Dive and Eleven. I think it’s okay if a group with a bigger discography releases a single album (cause I can still listen to their other songs), but it there’re less than 5 songs it’s just meh :(
i see where u are coming from with the 'trend-hopping' point, and i agree with it to an extent, but i think that older groups changing their concept isn't as big of a deal. take seventeen for example, their early songs followed a bright, cute, often school-related concept, whereas now their comebacks are more mature, cool, or have a darker vibe to them. it was great while it lasted, but i feel like it wouldn't feel the same if they did it again now, as they are all in their mid twenties and don't look like school boys... seventeen were just the first group i thought of when i saw this topic, and i'm sure that there are other older groups that i WOULD agree to this point with, but i think if a group had an "identity" that they maintained through their concept, and if it really did stick around for a notable time, i don't think that identity ever went away.
Too many groups are debuting, I can’t be bothered anymore.
I agree with basically everything but I liked hit ya on the first listen 😭 I was genuinely surprised when I found out it was being compared to O.O
I really don't like it when groups debut with single albums, judging whether or not I'll like a group's music by only one or two songs is really difficult, a mini album gives a much better introduction to what they will sound like. (Obviously I understand that it's expensive for smaller companies so those are exceptions of course, but as said in the video, big companies have no excuse.)
NewJeans isn’t under the same company as Le Sserafim, they’re under ADOR which is under the same label but is an independent company
I think what the creator means is newjeans is marketed as hybe new girlgroup, and when I firstly heard about is them their introduced as "hybe be gg". So I kinda get it why he said "there's nothing new". Just an opinion tho.
"Every group and their mother" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Post Queendom 2 comebacks flopped simply because these groups have released better tracks in the past and their current comebacks do not hold the light to their past comebacks
last sequence?? UP?! i just don't think so
last sequence, up and flip that are amazing
Up is literally way better than their debut song so idk
last sequence is like if YALLA was worse. lol
right !! the only comeback i liked was up! !
I think HYBE is reasonable as it’s a label with companies. Another thing is that all of these groups from HYBE have their own sounds and unique style that makes them stands out in this saturated industry. Like TXT is bringing some emo rock thing, le serrafim is going for simple and vogue like music? Enhypen with new concept every comeback (Given taken is so good) like txt and Enhypen is probably the two bg that actually sounds different in 4 gen. NewJeans’s attention has a sense of r&b. I actually appreciate that HYBE is trying to make the industry more refreshing by debuting these groups with specific style.
I don't know it's the same for k-pop, but I know that western artists changed to putting out singles instead of traditional albums because of streaming. It's called the streaming strategy. They do this to maximize music sales, because traditional albums just don't sell as well as they did prior to the streaming era. Hiller & Walter wrote an article about it in 2017, I had to read it in university. I can imagine k-pop is going through the same thing.
I honestly not bothered by companies debuting a lot of new groups. I'm a casual kpop fan so i don't really explore very deep into a group (even if i stan them) unless im really into them. So i just stan the groups i like and honestly don't keep up with companies. If i stan a group, it takes me a lot later into my journey as that group's stan to learn what company they are in etc.
is very few idols who can do a very diversity in their discography but still sounding like their core music
and it's definetly red velvet, oneus, mamamoo (esp wheein)
almost just gonna say rv but than i remember oneus is RIGHT THERE
i'm gonna say WEi, but it might be too biased so know you know
ikr nowadays you rarely find idols who can make diverse music and still be good at it which is why i love mmm, wheein, and oneus so much
hi! you might want to try listening to STAYC :) they have a diverse, no-skip discography.
I feel like monsta X too although ppl don't really talk about them. their discography is quite versatile but you know it's a mx song (plus they are producing/composing most of their songs so it helps)
Hybe is not a company but a label, its a difference. All the companies under Hybe are obviously gonna debut groups in order for them to be able to exist as companies. But in rest yeah, I have no idea wth JYPE is doing.
But tbh xdinary heroes music is good so jts good that they debuted them but idk about nmixx tho
@@xhstan I stan Xdinary Heroes so yes I agree with you, and maybe if they waited a bit more with Nmixx? Just a few months idrk
I feel like the argument about jyp debuting too many groups is kinda void as xdinary heroes isnt an idol group its a band and as day6 are enlisting it makes sense to debut a new band and then with stray kids and jyp loud there was less time between got7 debut and stray kids than jyp loud and stray kids but you didnt see anyone complaining about their debuts being too close and debuting too many groups
There are quite a few 4th gen groups that have ONLY released single/two song albums since their debuts. This is the main reason I’m having a really hard time getting into 4th gen groups
In my opinion not only are the companies debuting so many groups recently, but the age of the idols is so concerning. Especially the big companies could wait at least a year or two and not debut 14yo kids.
I find it so hard sometimes to enjoy a group's content knowing that they are missing out on they're childhood and school life.
For those who don't know, Studio J was created by Jyp, it just a different division with a name. It was created with different vision back then that's why it has a name. But later became a sub label. (This is not similar with HYBE where they took different companies under them or joined together to create a bigger company or something.)
This is different, it was created by the same company, and luckily became a sub label under the same company. Not a "different company then later joined another company" case. And most of the members was a jyp trainees. Actually it doesn't matter either way, under the company means under the company. So don't alienated the group or any group that have rights using those companies name, most especially XH.
The trend-hopping is so real...
I was a fan with most of the queendom groups, and most of their comeback s are amazing to me.. so i really dont understand why everyone was hating on them the whole time (when overall the performance quality was better than qd1) and then not bothering to support any of them after the show. And then your point about fans saying idols "fell off," idk whats wrong with kpop fans these days. its just sad to have this attitude, it just seems ppl are way more judgmental compared to previous years
I am SOOO tired of people missusing "xxx fell off" i even saw someone say Tempest fell off. Like im sorry they just debuted, they havent even made a comeback yet???💀
Also i really despise shock marketing music. I dont want a song to have to grow on me for me to like it. Like i want to like more music on 1st listen.
(Also, yes O.O grew on me😁)
How...how did Tempest fall off when they are basically still at baby stage in the industry 😭 people I swear
can only speak for oneus but thank goodness they've only put out only one single album before with in its time which had 'a song written easily' with one bside 'hide and seek'. but in 2021 they put out 1 full album and 2 minis. a total of 23 new songs! in one year! i won't count valkyrie rock ver from binary code but instead will add original 'only one' from the black mirror ep. so. 23! amazing. i would go cry if all we got was 4 or 6 songs in a year
Also, this sentence just makes me confused and mad:
*Slayy with those live vocals, those other groups can't even do it on stage*
Like you'll sense what they're pointing out and that made me *frustrated with that kind of hype kpop fans does.* They're just throwing words that they don't even know the reason in the first place.
yes for the trendhopping point i think thats why gidle did so well with tomboy it was a breath of fresh air from all the noise and generic music we were used to the punk, rebel concept was so nice
So when are we going to say that Debuting underaged children is going to ruin kpop?
I became a kpop stan around 2012 thanks to SNSD and the last trend is sooooo true... Companies used to debut groups with 3-4-5 years difference and, if it was less it was just a boygroup and then 1 or 2 years later a girlgroup. Never the same to avoid competition and such and I miss that so much... Kpop is so saturated that, just like you, me who used to know all the groups, even members names while not stanning, try a lot of songs from different artists, don't even bother to remember groups names anymore let alone keep up with releases unless it's my favorites like ateez, seventeen and twice... It's seriously a shame and I fear that i'll gradually stop listening to kpop once my favorites release less and less... It's sad since it was most of my teenagee/ early adulthood years...
You hit it dead on the nail with what’s annoying about the “fell off” trend. Ktubers on here have only been saying that after ONE comeback and simply because they don’t like it. I HATE how this community loves to ruin the meanings of things simply by misusing and over using the word in the wrong context.
You can check BeautyBox, they are a nugu group that debuted and had 1 comeback but i see a very different identity from other groups. For example, for the 1st comeback, they used the DOLL concept, no one ever did this, sooo check out them bc they need recognition and they DESERVE it
Honestly I'm okay with single albums if the songs are good. Like lots of studio albums have filler tracks and among the songs only 2-3 are actually good, basically the same as singles
The issue with companies debuting too many groups is really annoying. I would consider myself some what of a HYPE Stan (I don’t defend them but I Stan BTS, TXT and le sserafim) and I’m not even exited for the new girl group I already have le sserafim. I’m gonna tune in for their debut but I don’t think I’ll ad them to my stan list
man~ I was thinking about your final comment about over saturation because of multiple groups being debuted from the same company. And I think I sort of agree, except when it comes to groups being debuted under hybe. Because unlike the other big companies, hybe is hybe labels, meant to function as an umbrella company for “smaller” companies/labels and each label seems to be functioning on its own timeline and releasing groups and music accordingly as well
With trend-hopping I totally see it everytime I listen to new group's songs. Ive said this many times before, every other group is sounding the same
i don't know what happened with the post-qd2 comebacks really, wjsn aren't really digital monsters but they were stable during unnatural era so seeing last sequence perform worse on bugs was a surprise to be honest (they had the least listeners out of 4 groups in melon with 143,600) but their sales have grown a lot and that's a good thing for them, not much surprise with viviz and kep1er's digital performance going down since they're technically new names in the industry so anything can happen really (viviz sales have improved though and loveade is going semi-viral within the idol world).
additional point: all qd2 did is a huge fanwar actually, the way these fandoms are fighting each other because some didn't get a win for their comebacks T-T
Last Sequence is so good too, it deserves more hype. It's weird
@@AriaLouisa i swear last sequence deserved at least one trophy, too bad they had a comeback the same week as two million selling groups T-T
viviz was actually PACKED with schedules so. they worked hard. it wasn't as bad as people say
LOUDERRR on the single albums!! not enough groups nowadays are releasing full albums or even just mini albums and it’s just frustrating. ive’s music so far has been spectacular, but all three of their releases have been singles and i’m hoping it’s leading up to a full album at some point
too many single albums are annoying. bc when they do get the actual album, literally half the songs are already out.
The thing with WJSN is, Starship's marketing team is almost nonexistent. (Which at the announcement of IVE's comeback this August, fucking makes sense. They were focusing on their baby and moneymaker, which is fair, but hurts as an ujung.) While Last Sequence is good, they only appear in radio shows. Goddamnit. No other plans or whatsover.
Wjsn is now experiencing what Sistar did when wjsn debuted. This is common for a lot of companies, and I doubt it will ever change.
Well, starship is suck at managing their artists from the start tbh. Like, boyfriend, k.will, jooyoung, mad clown, etc. Like, God...
@@einnieniemah8655 yeah, but back then you could at be like oh, they are still a new company, they don't know what they are doing, but 10+ years later and nothing changed
I agree with you on basically all of this. Regarding the over-saturation with groups I immediately thought of how BTS, ATEEZ, Stray Kids and the SM groups have a more or less consistent storyline through their releases, which I think draw attention as well. It's very thought out. Ofc groups without a storyline can also become very successful, but especially nugu groups lack both this concept line and often originality. Think about groups like EPEX, drippin, Just B, they all have this kind of dark loud concept for their songs but it doesn't stand out as much because groups with the same concept debuted around the same time and take the light from each other. Plus, there are just way too many groups now. But TAN for example stands out with their unique sound of music
it's come to my attention that some kpop stans don't listen to the bsides of their faves, so it doesn't matter to them if they only release single albums💀
The only groups I listen to their b-sides are SHINee and onlyoneof. The other groups I like, I listen to only their title tracks, if I like them.
I listen to b-sides more from soloists than groups.
@@iexist8099 i have a question, do you try to listen to their bsides and just not like them? or are you just not interested at all