As a Dutchie. I don't think the Europeans will welcome the UK back in the EU. Maybe as a second country (as Switzerland or Norway) but not as a full member. When the UK was a full member, it was always trouble. Margareth Tatcher's only comment we can remember: WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK. UK's negotiation position at this point in time is poor and not getting better. The negotiations for brexit showed that UK wanted OUT, but what your (realistic) goals were...... Nobody knows. So maybe anyone can tell me why you wanted out .... and if you go for rejoin why? And even better: what's in it for the EU. Now the Tories are still in power, it'll be political suicide to make even the slightest step towards the EU. And Labour doesn't take position, just like the past 7 years. So.... rejoin. I don't think it will happen for a few decades.
I agree but I’m a Dutchie too 😉 It seems that after all this time even remainers/rejoiners think that the EU would want the UK back. I’m sure that there are a least a few countries that would object and EU rules require that all members agree.
@EduardvanRaalte agree, there are a few countries that have serious concerns about a "UK" rejoining. I think anyway there will be no UK as we know it in a 10 - 15 year time frame. Scotland is on its way of Independence and Ireland might be a United Country. The question is, would it be worth to let a little "Britain " back in?
@@Conservator. Oh but there are people in the U.K. that think like that. I’m one of them. One of things that Brexit has done is to make the debate in the U.K. even more “U.K.-centric” than it was before. And that’s quite an achievement, given how inward looking this country so often is. It is outright bizarre to read Brexiteers bleating about how they should be constantly alert to the imminent “betrayal of Brexit” - as if it was within the control of any U.K. government to do any such thing. Ditto the remainer fantasy of “rejoining” - there is no such process as “rejoining”. Both sides of this sterile and pointless debate seem to imagine that a) the U.K. could simply change its mind b) A majority of member states wants the U.K. back c) re entering the EU would simply be a matter of going back to where we were. There is absolutely no evidence that any of these things is true. Firstly, the U.K. could certainly apply to join the EU. But current terms of membership for new entrants contain a number of hurdles that it is hard to imagine any British government contemplating - not least, use of the €. And all the exemptions and rebates would be gone - how can anyone believe that a new member state would be allowed conditions better than any existing member? Especially not as a reward for 7 years of chaos and many more of recalcitrance. Secondly, it ignores the impact of the U.K. leaving on the balance of power and economics within the EU. Arguably, the loss of a heavyweight “northern and western” power shifts the centre of gravity of the EU south and east - it becomes more “Mittel Europa” and Mediterranean (sorry NL,DK,SE,FI). There are a number of countries that would benefit from that and not want to see it changed back. And at a time when the Franco-German “motor” of the EU is fragile, do either of them really want the disruptive political complication of the U.K. back again? What is more likely is Dirk van der Laarse’s point - a “second” as opposed to “third” country status. However horrifying that might be to Brexiteers, unsatisfactory to remainers and exasperating for EU members, there are probably compelling real-world practical economic benefits to both the U.K. and EU member states in that. It would be horribly complicated and fractious (the EU-Switzerland arrangements are a continuous wrangle - imagine that scaled-up) and would no doubt have to avoid taboo words like “single market” and “customs union” to save face and minimise the mouth-frothing on the hard right, but something like the “EU-U.K. Comprehensive Trade Bilateral” might be a likely outcome. But even that is at least 5 years away. But “rejoin”? Nah, doesn’t exist, won’t happen.
@@davidpaterson2309 Thank you for your comment David, it was a pleasure to read. One small point: Countries joining the EU have to change their currency to the Euro but there’s no mechanism to enforce that. Sweden is an example of a country that is still (and probably will be for who knows how long) in the process of converting to the Euro. So, yes the U.K. would have to start the process but it could postpone it possibly indefinitely.
Brexiters had their Brexit, the UK crashed out of the EU. In what extent the Brexit failed ? you had it. It's a mess, it's a disater, it"s a nonsens but Brexiters had their brexit. What are they complaining about exactly ? oh I see, they complain of not being treated like a member state anymore....They need mental care.
It’s quite amazing, for such a massive victory, they don’t seem to want to remember it. Imagine not being able to talk about the 1966 Football World Cup because we won, you lost get over it. Bonkers
The UK is breaking up and will be no more in any case.... I'm Irish and reunification of my island is inevitable now. May Scotland get its independence from the English government. All in all, I wish the British public well and may they see sense.
We'll be back when UK is moving towards a federation like Germany already is. That's the basic problem underscoring Brexit and other issues in Britain.
0 whatsoever. If anything Brexit just showed the EU that the UK is not needed at all... Like life goes on without skipping a beat just much more peaceful now
I want a referendum im the EU and my vote will be NO THANKS! The UK has NEVER understood what the EU is all about. The UK ONLY sees MONEY MONEY MONEY. We see the peace project, cooperation and freedom.
@@EllieD.Violet France is rather fortunate we left first, given it rather killed Le Pen’s EU exit movement overnight. Still my wife, and potentially my children if old enough, will also get a vote in that French referendum. Just like all the French citizens living in the Uk, who were denied a vote on there future in the Brexit referendum. Also, if it ever gets that far, as I doubt it’s going to happen for at least 15 to 20 years, most Brexit voters will likely be dead. So don’t punish the innocent for the sake of it.
I am a EU citizen and am very impressed with Professor Graylings thoughts on Brexit. I have followed the twists and turns of the Brexit drama since June 2016 and I largely agree with his analysis. I slightly disagree with his opinion that the UK Labour Party is pro Brexit. I think their position is more nuanced than that./ They have internal party issues to contend with and an election to win before they can deal straightforwardly with Brexit. I entirly agree that some form of PR is essential for the wellbeing of the UK electorate. It was utterly rediculous that 37% of the eligible UK electorate in an advisory referendum was allowed to decide such a momentous issue. Thre should at least have been a confirmatory vote on the outcome of the negotiations.
Good afternoon Eugene O'Malley, greetings from Germany near Cologne. After the deal with the EU Labour had to agree in Parliament. They were in a difficult position. For me, the only reasonable argument to leave the EU was indeed the NHS. Logical to think that the membership fee could be used fo financing the NHS. But just the opposite has happened, look at the current situation. One should even be more honest: The state is broke. Fortunately a state can't go into administration. Mr Starmer is right, he said: "A reform is necessary, otherwise the NHS dies." The ordinary German is quite indifferent to Brexit. But those who love the UK, mostly because of its culture, often travel to the UK, spend a lot of money there, they are heartbroken mainly because of the rhetoric. I have come to the UK for more than half a century, sometimes 3x a year, in the last years mainly to Stratford-upon-Avon to watch Shakespeare's dramas. Stratford can perfectly do without me, a Zahewi extreme Brexit area, I'm going to other places for theatre and operas, Austria and France. Now they are talking about 'illegal immigrants', one day they will talk about 'illegal tourists', the first steps have been taken: Refusing the ID-Card. - wish you all the best and thank you for your informative comment (Irish, Scottish?)
@@godehardbrysch7905 It's only logical if you mistakenly think the UK's contribution was a membership free or similar. In reality, of course, it - as with all other members - is an investment, that returns a dividend. Which is to say, the £350m for the NHS was pure fantasy - or, for most making the claim, I suspect, an out-right lie, as they knew this - because leaving the EU wouldn't (and couldn't) really free up the money to be spent elsewhere.
@@godehardbrysch7905 Thanks for your comment. I'm Irish living in Cork. Brexit has had / will have major impact on us both economically and culturally. Hence my great interest in the subject. I sense that with the latest UK Prime Minister there appears to be a more rational approach to Brexit.
@@eugeneomalley8407 Hi Eugene, I guessed it: O' - Thank you for your country that has given us so much in literature. I'm not referring to the former Elite: Joyce, O'Brien, Shaw etc but even to modern literature, I attended a reading by Tana French in Cologne. Brilliant novelist. I'm not so optimistic. To show that Brexit was not a failure the rhetoric still goes on, the aim: "Look, how good it was to leave", forgetting or diverting from the current problems in the UK. Where's the boom? Characteristic for me: Theresa May said "I had good talks with the EU and there is a very good chance that we can stay in the Erasmus Project. Boris Johnson: "No, we'll have our own one." Nevertheless I hope you are right.
@@paull373 Good evening Paul L, thank you for putting it right. The Red Bus by the Leave Campaign was cleverly planned. It only said: "let's fund the NHS instead". I wonder how much it has been funded. First one is impressed by the word 'milllion". But a million is nothing. One example from my Bundesland North-Rhine-Westfalia. An increase of petrol of € 0.01 on a special day leads to a profit of 54 million for the state on this day (we have a population of 20 million). It's hard to believe. In my town a small bridge over a stream, length: 15m, width: 1.50m has now been calculated as € 600,000 building costs, again hard to believe. -wish you all the best for tomorrow.
Yes, I agree. However, the latter part of the discussion failed, (in my opinion) to consider NATO. I think that reliance on that treaty allows Europe to invest in social programs as opposed to military development. It is a mutually beneficial treaty but the cost burden falls mostly on the US, and it is considerable.
Yes a lot of the military burden falls on the US but the EU accepts in return the dollar as the international currency of trade which gives the US, obviously, an incredible advantage. In my view, one goes with the other. I very much doubt that the trillions of dollars that the US has raised to finance the financial crisis of 2008, the Covid tragedy, and Biden’s social and industrial investments would have been possible without the US dollar having the status that it has.
When the psychotic ex who ruined your life for decades finally left your house, you don’t call her back… sorry guys. Currently, there is not a single Member State that wants the UK to rejoin. The UK has paralyzed the EU since the 90's and the Union has been able to do so much without you in a few years : common response to the pandemic, to the war in Ukraine, to the current economic issues,...
Perhaps they might want our money? Remember that we were one of the few large contributors to the EU budget whereas most EU states profited from membership.
@@vatsmith8759 "Perhaps they might want our money?" That hoary old chestnut again? Pleaaaaaaase! Back in reality, the UK's pathetically small, NET, contribution to the EU's minuscule budget never amounted to more than 12% of the total. We factored in the loss of that pathetically small, NET, contribution to the EU's minuscule budget many years ago. The current EU seven year budget, officially called the Multi-Annual Financial Framework(MAFF), is approximately TWICE as large as the previous, PRE-Brixit, one. You were never, remotely, as important as you desperately want to believe you were. And you are far less important now. The number of net contributors is increasing all the time. Ireland has been a net contributor since 2014.
@@martinhommel9967 it was it was about 10% of their income, that's why we had to hand over £35bn to them. The Uk is a big economy its worthwhile the EU plugging into it. Problem is cos of brexit they can plug into us without costs but we cant do it the other way round. SO brexit for an EU member is pretty win win
@@stephennutt4083 The UKs net contribution after projects and farmers in the UK received money was less than 12 billion per annum. For that the UK had unfettered access to a market of 500 million people. Westminster gives Northern Ireland 12 billion more than it receives in taxes from Northern Ireland every year. NI has a population of less than 2 million for GB to sell to. Makes EU membership look like a bargain which it was. Brexit has cost British business more than 2 billion per month which is over twice the cost of EU membership.
The professor is correct ( from a U.K. point of view) it doesn’t make economic sense for the U.K. to be out of the Single market and have to deal with trade barriers. He also makes the point the U.K. would be better of if the country could influence the rules and standards of the Single Market. The problem is we are way past the point where the U.K. had the clout to influence anything. In the building phase of the EU and it’s institutions the U.K. with its experience and know how of ruling and administrating an empire was invaluable. Also back then the U.K. was one one of the big three. At best ( if allowed back in) it would be one of the big four ( Poland is likely to be on par with Germany) plus there are groupings of smaller members that when working together have the voting power to cancel out the U.K. vote. The EU has developed and and doesn’t really need the U.K. anymore.In fact the UK’s economy needs a lot investment to get back to anywhere near the place it was in 2016. Who is going to put the money time and effort in for almost no gain. The UK’s position ( both politically and economically) as the gateway into the EU and Single market is lost forever.The UK’s biggest industry ( services) is diminishing and spreading into the EU. The position of the city as the worlds biggest Money laundering machine doesn’t really aid the process of rejoining in fact before that becomes a possibility the city would have to be seriously restructured and come under the oversight of the ECB witch is completely unacceptable to the U.K. The U.K. as centre of education and science is under serious threat as a result of being pushed out of Horizon and leaving Erasmus there is a brain drain going on. Falling behind in science is close to unrecoverable, losing access to EU research data and exchange is a disaster that’s happening without anyone in the U.K. paying attention. Plus the U.K. still fails to understand the EU is as much as peace project ad it is an economic one, the process of a an ever closer Union is still moving forward.The U.K. getting back in would be like a person jumping onto a moving train and immediately pulling the Emergency brake completely unacceptable for the rest of the passengers. The U.K. is destined for a future outside , looking in but unable to enter
It is a completely fabricated myth th at the EU is an effective peace project. Its ability to live peaceful lives was created significantly by the sacrifice of countries from all over the world, but primarily the USA, and it is still a protectorate of the USA via NATO. Without NATO the EU would never have been able to expand, or most probably, even exist. The EU is pretty much finished with significant expansion, and has now come up against harder boundaries of Russian and other geopolitical interests, and because it only accepts adjacent countries unless it changes will first stagnate and then decline. There are some problem a for which solutions are coming. NI will probably be solved within a year the EU will allowed the agreed access to horizon. Erasmus was just a plaything for wealthy families, and will be replaced by an increase in interactions with the rest of the world. The first major strategic trade change will be as the UK accede to the CPTPP within the next two years. This unlike the EU is trade bloc with global ambitions and when the UK joins it will then be represented in most of the world continents, including Europe. Probably just missing Africa. It's probable that the USA will lol at again, China already is and it's kind if connected to RCEP. The EU is constrained by being 44% of just the one continent is us actually reducing in its percentage if world economic activity. The UK is joining organisations that are growing rapidly. People forget the strategic reasoning and planning of brexit and are way to focused on today's issues which are being solved rather than the future.
One of the things people forget, is all these changes in regulation, which are forcing things like Euro clearing and head offices and or subsidiary offices into the EU, maybe good for EU tax receipts, but they are forcing significant cost into EU business, and with a lot if EU business already struggling to face competition outside of the EU where their protection ends, this is not a strategically good thing. Sure the EU is a sizable market, but compared to the rest if the world it's relatively small and is slowly diminishing.
@@peterclareburt4594 The EU is one of the three largest economies in the World, coming after China and the USA, which are very nearly the same size as each other. I don't think a 'trade deal' with China will happen. A trade deal with the US has considerable disadvantages, the US has made it clear that it would want to be able to intervene across large areas of the UK economy, this particularly includes standards in food and agriculture, also NHS intervention. However, the USA uses trade to further its political aims, and does not hesitate to impose sanctions on a trading partner if it suits them to do so, e.g. Canadian dairy exports to the USA. There's also the issue of 'gravity', i.e. the EU is on our doorstep, the USA is the other side of the Atlantic ocean.
Professor Grayling, like a lot of his compatriots, also seems not to understand exactly what a "third country" means, especially as he blithely posits the possibility of becoming "a part of the Single Market" as a half-way house back to full membership. When asked further about this he not only cites this as "plausible" but "likely". It is neither - it is impossible. To be within the Single Market is not simply to be "aligned" with its standards and rules. Such voluntary alignment would certainly help in negotiating a better TCA in the future and therefore improve access to it, but they are not the criteria determining participation within that market as a "member", "associate member", "partial member" or "pseudo member" (take your pick). The sole criterion that applies is your accountability to a court governing your conduct within that market, either to the ECJ as a full member of the EU (first country) or to the EFTA Court which shares jurisprudence on behalf of that organisation's members availing of the EEA (second country). Without this submission to a supranational court's jurisdiction there is no way any unaccountable maverick can ever presume to avail of that market's advantages from within. Third countries who think that this rather crucial condition somehow doesn't or shouldn't apply to them are simply indulging in exceptionalist fantasy - exactly the mindset that got you into the mess you're in in the first place! It is almost even more heartbreaking and shocking to see such delusion being peddled as fact by those who at least understand the self-destruction that has been wrought than it was when exhibited by all those who made themselves willing agents of that destruction. And yet from the UK we hear little else these days. There is no "reversing" Brexit. There is instead a long road ahead acquainting yourself with reality, rules, constitutions and what they really are, and maybe even actual democracy (which PR alone will not fix in the UK's case), after which point an application to join the EU again may indeed be contemplated by other EU members, many of whom not only understand democracy but treasure it too dearly to ever again be threatened by such arrogantly deluded constituents back in their midst. As far as I can see the UK has not only failed to take even a single step along that road - it doesn't even know yet that it has to. Fine talk, and well meant sentiments, but no cigar. Go off and have a good think and try again later.
@@federaltrust He did not make this at all clear, and to be honest I am not sure what it means either when expressed by someone from within a third country. How exactly does the UK now submit directly to the jurisdiction of the ECJ if not a member of the EU or of EFTA? Does it just promise to? Or is this yet another "special" interpretation of international law and the EU Constitution that only Britain ever seems to recognise? Sorry, but as I said - if you cannot see how equally exceptionalist and deluded this thinking is to the nonsensical thinking that so harmed your country then I am afraid you are massively underestimating the extent of true reform ahead of you as a nation. But as recent years have made so evident, this now appears always to have been the case within the UK. Brexit was just a brutal manifestation of some rather deeper problems within British society that require to be addressed before any such "promise to behave" to the ECJ or anyone else could ever be regarded as anything but ludicrous.
@@SonOfViking Ah, now you have gone from being certain, to someone who is not sure what it means. The inescapable reality is that the UK being a member is better than not having the UK back as a member. The question is of time, not outcome.
I have been following Brexit for years now. It is a disaster, however I have not heard from one rejoiner talking about the grand experiment that is the European Union , peaceful coexistence amongst 27 countries, freedom of movement or unified standards and regulations that protect its citizens Just talk of the “ financial “ benefits, money and more money . Maybe longer stays in Spain.
Then you haven’t been paying attention. They was a key thrust of the referendum campaign, and is a key part of the overall aim. The news about the bonfire of rights was a referendum point labelled project fear by the leavers. It’s pretty much in the news now for liberal media. The right wing stuff, not so much. The risk to continental relations was also highlighted as a significant risk highlighted. Most Progressives voted remain (according to polling) for the reasons stated in your post, so there’s little reason to go over old ground. Currently the discussion is economic as the economic cost of Brexit is becoming apparent. Also, we are trying to appeal to generally economically and/or socially conservative people. They really don’t give a crap about the more technical (regulatory), emotional and social reasons for rejoining. It turned them off in the referendum, so its unlikely to help now.
Yes that's a good point Dan. I think it's one of the main reasons Remain lost. Nietzsche said "people believe that which is seen to be believed in strongly". Farage and co. understood that perfectly, emotion always played a greater role in his arguments than logic. He often told straight out lies, but that didn't matter because it was never about facts to begin with. Contrast that with remain, who stuck to facts and figures, convinced naively that they would speak for themselves. As you say there should have been more talk about the benefits the EU has brought beyond efficiency and convenience. Ending a thousand years of bloodshed and hatred. Solving our problems by negotiation, realising if we all act together we can achieve more than any one nation can on their own. Never has the rationale for a united europe been stronger, we have to fight hard now for what we believe in and push back against the Putins, Trumps, Farages, and Orbans of this world...
As an EU citizen living abroad, I have watched the antics and poisonous/disruptive behaviour by the UK (England) both from home and now from abroad for over 40 years. I hope that the EU will not let the UK back in for at least 20years minimum..if ever. There has to be a major generational change and massive change in attitude before the UK (England) is fit to become a member again. Even now they want to change the EU to suit their way....talking about entitlement. 🙄
There is no such thing as an 'EU citizen'Bruce. Only countries, nations or states can endow citizenship. The EU is an organisation, not a country, not yet anyway although we know that's the plan, now at least. The EU wasn't in existence forty years ago,either,bud. What makes you think we want to go back into the EU? The thought of that is absurd. Why would we? The only countries that want to join the EU Org are countries which are broke. The richer countries like Norway,|Iceland and Switzerland all rejected membership[, Norway and Sweden did after TWO referendums each. The UK only want the EU to honour the terms of what it says in Article 50. You won't have read that of course. Slainte.
It's a tough issue. I was upset when the UK voted to leave our club. However then I saw how the campaign was fought with lies often about us in the EU. I've seen how both main parties have sought to attract the votes of leavers and continue to back the notion of brexit being beneficial to the UK. I've also seen how angered some member states were by the British attitude towards us and the negotiations. I would not be surprised if one or more members threatened to use their veto.
Your club! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This may come as a shock, which most of our politicians have never realised. Our minds were already made up before the campaign started. We already knew the truth, and we didn't like what we saw
What were the lies specifically? Even Remainers had to resort project fear rather selling the EU on its merits, the simple reality is the EU is not as democratic as Westminister, policy decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats to be rubber stamped only by the parliament, the president is elected the same way with parliament given a yes no only on the commissions choice. Turkey is on a path to join the EU it may never get thereby it is on the path. The EU is considering an EU army. The ECJ can overrule member laws. The UK had no means to block cheap eastern EU labour undercutting local pay rates.
From my continental perspective, there are several aspects to Brexaster: Hilariously, the vast majority of the UK debate both on the remain and on the leave side are entirely detached from reality, Prof. Grayling being at the forefront as he demonstrates again and again in this vid. Incredible popcorn factor it it weren't for the British people suffering from the Brexit mess. The EU27 will have no interest whatsoever in the UK rejoining unless and until both Lab and Con (and their respective press organs) show a stable and rational argument for EU membership for more than one parliamentary term. Not going to happen for the next 10-20 years... Until then, the UK will constitute the best practical example Brussels could ever have imagined as to why being part of the EU is a fantastic idea. And this is just Brussels, any accession candidate needs unanimous agreement from all 27 member states (+ a couple of regions such as Wallonia). Knowing this, Turkey is much closer to EU membership than the UK. (but not going to happen, either)
@@scipio1010 We have no desire to re join the EU except for a few idiots. It will take a few years before we see the real benefits of Brexit. We used to rule the world. We do not need to be governed by unelected people in Brussels. NO Thank-you.
@@valeriedavidson2785 Not the world. Some countries in Africa and Asia. Not in Europe and in the last world war had it not been for the Americans, you would be speaking German.
@@scipio1010 It was 25% of the world actually and no not Europe the British saved Europe when Britain, having beaten the Germans in the Battle of Britain, was a springboard to invade the Germans in Europe. Don't give me that rubbish about the Americans winning the war. At the critical moment, in 1939 Britain kept going and the Americans joined in when we were halfway through the war. They did help with equipment but their military are nowhere as professional as the British military and Britain had radar first. The European countries should be for ever grateful to Britain for saving THEM. You talk utter rubbish.
But he completely fails to comprehend that accession criteria need to be met and he overestimates that former contributions of the EU member UK don't matter for our 🇪🇺 decision. There are more and better reasons to keep the UK .... or what's left of it .... out for half a century than let her back in.
There is no “moral basis” in the EU. It is a blatant attempt to recreate a Franco German Empire - which the French have always dreamed of and the Germans have always hoped for. You only have to look at Ukraine to see the lack of moral basis. Germany refuses to supply tanks because it hopes to recreate its gas deal with Russia and will not do anything to harm the prospects. Moral basis must mean something very different in the EU…….
@Barry Jones Wow, what a rant. I find it odd why you think the UK government shouldn’t be held accountable for its illegal actions, especially as the executive and legislature are basically the same, and the judiciary have a fairly conservative bias and not truly independent. It’s particularly odd as the government had agreed to signup to this. So you get unlawfully detained, wouldn’t you want to have recourse to an independent court if necessary? Given how many laws brexiteers in government like to break, I would think it was very much a sensible check and balance. I mean, the whole purpose of the court is to ensure the correct rule of (UK) law or treaty obligations. Brexit was done, and you done us all.
The EU might not be keen on taking the UK back. Given that a single country can veto EU ascension, the brexit winners don't want to loose their share of the pie. Joining the single market requires acceptance of all members, Norway already sad no to the UK on EFTA. Several EU countries have several reasons to keep the UK out
The robber barons who own Britain have no interest whatsoever in re-instating EU rules that might limit their looting of the UK economy, and - playing perfectly into the hands of those robber barons - the British people are too infantilely xenophobic to understand any of the political and economic realities involved.
The UK's constant need for exemptions and othre special treatment and how it repeatedly acted as a backdoor for the US to meddle in EU internal affairs are the reason that's an extreme uphill battle you're fantasizing about.
If Brexit did anything, it cut Britain down to size. It's a worse tragedy than WW2. Despite the terrible, lamentable deaths, lots of good came out of WW2 - not least the European Union. Britain has shot itself in both feet - perhaps even hamstrung itself. Once you are crippled, you can only hope for a slow rehabilitation - never a full return to normality.
@@rjones6219 Of course I can't see what you see. You are evidently one of those people who plunged this country into the abyss. I understand - you wouldn't even admit to Brexit being idiotic once a vas lt majority of the population clearly stated how it was ruining Britain. So sad that we all have to pay the price for your stupidity.
@@rjones6219 Too many Englanders stick in WW2 victory and their ridiculous pride of the colonies they suppressed for so many long gone centuries. England's creeping decline will continue as long as living in the illusion of still being the major power it once was, like a somnambulist. Maybe they will wake up when Scotland an NI will abandon this molding, stinking bed with fury and hubbub. You cripple yourself day by day, you thriving funnny zany.
Anyone seen the ludicrous video that the Chancellor Jeremy Hunt and his department released this morning? Coffee cups and inflation, but not a mention of Brexit. Barking childish video. Mr Coffee Bean.
We have PR here in Ireland, it works great. Your vote goes further and you don't get extremes of rightwing or leftwing ,it means a coalition of different parties coming together. It amazes me that in England a party can get one million votes but very few seats
yes it does seem unfair the lib dems can get millions of votes yet only get half a dozen of seats in parliament its time to scrap the first past the post system and bring in pr it will increase democracy as more people will vote as you say your vote will go further and will encourage more especialy young people to vote
@@12presspart I think that most forms are more democratic. But even in Ireland we had effectively a one party state, the party mostly being elected was Fianna Fáil, who despite being as corrupt and incompetent was really good at buying votes and living off post civil war loyalties to win elections. So even PR does not guarantee the government a country needs.
@@Astrogator1 in the early days of PR in Ireland FF politicians would encourage their voters only to vote for FF candidates on the ballot paper only thus nullifying the advantage of PR then in the late 1960’s they tried to change the PR system back to first past the post thankfully this was rejected by the voters .
@@Astrogator1 That stopped basically in the early seventies. That is forty years ago. We have had coalitions of some description since then. It takes a long time for democracy to settle down as it where. I am an old foggie and cannot remember FF ever having a substantial majority like the present Conservatives in England.
We have PR in Australia and it leads to two problems: Minority one issue parties with seats eg the gun lobby (Shooters Party) 2. Bizarre alliances established by swapping preferences and swaps. So parties get elected but then because of the pretences they implement the polices of parties that doesn’t even get elected. The only really democracy is Constant Referendum. Want to have a peace treaty with North Korea push 1. But governments seem to think they are SME who can tell use what we are going to get. Brexit is an example of that. Majority voted for it but Politicians think they know better and avoid implementing it.
Sorry boys, but the five to ten year timeframe is a complete pipe dream. Once the UK's (or whatever's left of it) attitudes change enough to even apply for membership of the single market, there will be years of negotiations followed by another referendum which will probably fail when the English majority realise how far down the EU pecking order they have fallen and what requirements they have to adhere to in order to become welcome and trusted members.
Agreed. And little England is a better ally when its a rule taker: look at what happened when it had advantages no other member had. A Norway minus minus minus kind of deal would be more than adequate.
Classic case of projecting your own wishes for a desired future. Face it: Brexit, as predicted, is a failure. There is only one way to go. We can all speculate how long it will take but the direction of travel is clear to all
It's a piece of Brexshit and should NEVER have gone to a referendum, because of all the lies. A German friend asked me at the time how do you think they'll vote? I said give stupid people an important vote and they'll vote the wrong way every time! People weren't clued up enough to make the vote!
Or maybe they are just flying that banner in order to stop people thinking instead of emoting. Reversing Brexit is not a thing. Leaving was something the UK could do on its own, joining isn't. Even if 100% of the electorate wanted that, the UK would still first need to meet the criteria to even qualify for becoming a member candidate. That's a project for a double digit year count.
Let's hope at least one EU-country vetoes this to never happen. The U.K. (mostly the English) are masters in evading responsibility by blaming others. Blame the E.U., blame immigrants, blame Meghan Markle, but never... ever... a look in the mirror. I truly hope they're able to change their ways in this regard.
@@ohgosh5892 Every member state has the right to veto new member applications. It would only take one of our members to reject your application and sorry to say but the UK has been actively burning bridges.
The UK won't be back. Scotland will join us and NI uniting with Ireland. Wales may join leaving England on its own. In about 60 or 70 years the English population may have lost its exceptionalism disease due to the sheer collapse of the country. Then England may be in a position to submit an application.
What you seem not to understand is that as long as an Australian conservative (Murdoch) publisher is calling the shots in the UK via his trashy papers, public sentiment will not change and - no matter the costs - the UK will not try to rejoin because the misinformed British public won't have it.
People tend to only buy newspapers that they agree with in the first place, otherwise everybody would be buying the Guardian. Blaming newspapers because people don’t agree your own point of view is a bit of a cop out, and amounts to not much more than a conspiracy theory.
The eu will not allow uk back for up on 20 years. And there will be no negotiations. It will be entirely on the eu.s terms. Way too much damage to relations has been done by the anti European Tories.
Brits must get this right! The main problem for returning into the EU isn't something like 'The eu will not allow uk back for up on 20 years'! §49 of the EUropean constitution is pretty clear - any country in Europe can apply for membership, but has to meet the entry conditions. And that is the real UK problem! Right now, the UK does not meet half of the entry conditions and the situation is getting worse and worse! I do not support the line of thought 'allow uk back for 20 years' - the correct description is 'the UK will not be able to meet the basic membership conditions for at least 50 years!' And the negotiations after that will be nothing Brits will like to see... (Yes, negotiations are a large part of the joining procedure - Turkey has only passed 1 out of 20+ negotiation rounds after 30+ years after the application!)
Exceptionalism and nostalgia are keeping Britain blind to the true situation. There is no "Boris' cake" to eat. UK is not in control. UK cannot dictate EU polices, at least not anymore. They are out and will remain. Sorry, but Is that so hard to understand?
We are not all Boris and in case you did not know he is reviled by the great majority of Brits as a self interested liar. You make the classic mistake of thinking politics is a destination not a process. Things change,. Take the case of Ukraine. I do not like the UK government but they have shown consistently higher support for Ukraine than other European members and some like Hungary, have shown no support at all. Remember a lot of our people died (along with Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Indians, Kiwis etc) to free Western Europe. My father was badly wounded in Normandy to free France. Most of Europe still depends upon the US in particular but also us Brits to defend them. You might not want to acknowledge this but most Europeans and their governments know this. The UK will be back in the EU eventually. Brexit is simply our Trump/Le Pen/Orban moment
It's remarkable how in recent years, the European Union has been more interested in preserving the peace in a province of the United Kingdom than the UK itself has been. I'm referring to the UK government playing silly buggers with the Northern Ireland protocol, threatening to quit an international agreement they signed just a couple of years ago.
Talk about giving the credit to the EU for something it had nothing to do with! The peace in Europe since 1945 has been maintained by NATO, backboned by the United States. Nothing to do with the EU. The Peace in the north of Ireland, again brokered by the United States. Nothing to do with the EU.
I agree with practically everything he says, apart from the conclusion he draws. Its based on logic, reason and whats best for the country and its people. I have been arguing with people about brexit for 7 years there is no logic or reason any more, people don't want whats best for the country or even themselves or their children. They want only what the media tells them they want.
Even if in the future a party pushes for a referendum to rejoin, now all the 27 EU member countries have to hold a referendum asking whether their people want the UK to return or not. If the UK government wants to rejoin, they have deal with the outcome of 28 referendums (theirs plus 27). In addition, there is a waiting list of countries to enter the EU, which according to the EU rules must be respected.
Honestly I enjoyed listening to this video. It is interesting how "self centric" UK this view is on the EU even when debating a possible return. The EU is a Union, an entity to enable smaller nations to compete together for common goals on the world market. Even when the UK was part of the EU Thatcher demanded a European rebate for the UK and special status to protect national interests. You have never paid up as an equal member and shared the burden. What makes you think the EU will vote you back in when Poland, France, Germany and all the others have done their bit to benefit the UK.
It is not unreasonable for a British think tank and a prominent British commentator to talk about changes necessary in their own country in order to make rejoining the EU possible. It will then of course be up to our partners to decide if they want us back.
@@federaltrust As an Irishman observing from the outside, no harm in discussing rejoining. In regards to whether the EU will have you back certain things will have to happen. Electoral reform for one and a cure will have to be found for English exceptionalism. The first is easy the second is very difficult and the cure is as bad as the disease. The UK will break up with Scotland joining and NI uniting with Ireland. Wales may go its own way leaving England on its own for decades. When things in England get so bad that they can't get worse the population may well be cured of exceptionalism and England will be in a position to submit an application to join. Sad to see how Britain has gone. Best of luck, you are going to need it.
@@federaltrust What tends to be missed when talking to a British think tank is that the requirements for the UK joining are no different than are the requirements for Armenia joining. At this point in time, it'd be hard to state with any certainty which one is closer to meeting the criteria.
@@federaltrust You are aware the UK fails to meet 30 out of the 59 requirements of the accession criteria???? One of those: a written constitution. Start with one and you only have 29 more . ...
I think that electoral reform is an absolute must. No rational organisation would want to accept the UK as part of it without our clearing out the rubbish in our system. Rock on with #ReJoinEU though!
Yes, getting rid of all the remoaning anti democrats would be a good start. Why would we want to join such a club as the EU,anyway? Yes, I know you have no answers, bud.
'Brexit and its desirable reversal' desirable for whom? What is the exact meaning of reversal in the context of the discussion? The steps of how to become a member of the EU are well documented - it is only up to the UK (or what will develop out of it) to decide if they want to try to go all the way. With §49 of the EUropean constitution, the door is always open. If everybody behind this door would welcome the UK has to be tested, when the time is ripe, but it needs some self-confidence to try it! It looks like in the post-colonialist era, whining has become a new UK attribute. We are not even going to try it because we could get rejected...
Whining? Currently we are all in various stages of grief. I have to say I’m still in anger, much of what I loved about this country has been smashed to bits. Cherished rights removed and more to be lost soon in a race to the bottom. And you wonder why we whine? My friends voted leave even though my wife is French. That’s pretty hard to reconcile even now. Brexit isn’t reversible, that ship sailed a long time ago and I’m glad it isn’t in a way. I think it’s possibly healthy for us (putting my English hat on). We need to learn humility, and accept our place in the world. My hope is we as a nation will finally stop being serfs, and develop a proper democracy. However, I think the same thing every European or World Cup. I do worry we will gradually shift further further right politically into where Oswald Mosley left off. The current government is a large way on that path certainly. I think the benefits of Brexit were all European, Brexit boosted internal coherence too given it killed the various leave EU movements overnight. Also, it gave boosts to various regions when business snd departments relocated. Well, unless you are a disaster capitalist.
We don’t deserve ever being able. to rejoin, you are finding out already you are better without us? But please spare a thought for us remainers , doomed ,
@@maginot2u You are not really informed. Stupid to mention the "Reich". (sorry), Germany lost in several trials against Austria and Poland. We were even fined for not reaching the EU regulations concerning the CO2 emissions. Domination looks diffferent. With a population of 83 million we are considerably modest. - wish you all the best -
There is no “reversing” Brexit, ever. EU membership is not a revolving door, especially for a country that used to enjoy huge privileges compared to other members. Rewinding time to 2015 would utterly destroy the concept of EU as a union of equals. What can be reversed in the next decade are some of its effects, should UK unilaterally align to EU standards and therefore facilitate a more favorable TCA than the existing one. But this would not regain UK its lost SM membership. I expect UK (as a whole or piecemeal) will eventually apply for EU membership again, and be admitted once it fully agrees to all the applicable rules. For England (or UK as a whole, if it doesn’t split up), I expect the process will take a few decades - possibly in line with JRM’s 50 years estimate for Brexit benefits to materialize.
Just don't give them back the veto right, please! They'll use it again - and again - and probably again. With a system where 80.000 people out of 67 million can "elect" a prime minister, they can't be trusted to NOT sabotage the EU from within. They've tried that before, you know?
@@JupiterThunder UK has left the EU, period. It has also left several EU institutions that Leave campaigners promised it would remain into, in particular the Single Market. I suppose you are complaining about the NIP, which was overwhelmingly approved by UK (it’s part of the Oven Ready Deal that gave Johnson an 80 seat majority). Considering that NI voted to remain in the EU, by a large margin, and that the GFA already provided a path for NI to leave UK entirely, NIP looks quite underwhelming. You got the hardest Brexit you could reasonably have, short of closing the borders and turning NI into civil war again. If you want anything more, I suggest you uproot GB from the continental platform and tow it to the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
there will be no Swiss deal. EU ruled that out already. Norway will block EFTA membership of UK. So the only option is to apply for candidate EU membership and accept ALL EU rules and ECJ as well as the Euro currencies. Oh, by the way. Turkey applied in 1987 EU membership and failed the test, like UK will. And do not forget that several sovereign EU countries will veto UK back in EU
@@grassytramtracks a new member now has five years from joining the eu to switch to the euro. if this does not happen in this time frame, it will automatically be expelled from the eu and will have to wait ten years before a new application for entry can be made. that is how it is literally and figuratively stated in the new articles of association
Another example of incredible British arrogance! The UK might change its mind on Brexit, but it is the EU who decides, if, and under which conditions the UK might be accepted to join. And at the moment there is very little appetite for another racist nation in the club. But the signs in the UK at the moment are for more diversion from the EU anyway. In the begining I actually was a bit sad to see the UK leaving, but in the meantime I am glad the UK has left the Union which UK senior politicians like to compare with the Soviet Union. Greetings from Europe, you know, the people you Brits like to call "EU rats"
Not this Brit. And not all UK politicians. It’s that kind of sweeping generalisation and ignorant stereotyping that fuelled Brexit here. Be the change you want to see.
UK has in fact never been totally in the UE as all others. GB always wanted it’s own rules within the community. Going back would mean accepting to be a simple member, loosing all privileges past.
He clearly states that it is not only the Conservatives but also Labour who have to commit to a return to the EU. On my list the UK must at least do the following... the introduction of Proportional Representation, a written Constitution, a democratic elected second chamber, democratic accountability, separation of powers. At least 80% of voters living in and out of Great Britain should be in favor of returning to the EU. Introduction of the metric system. No more opt-outs but immediate implementing Schengen agreement, the Euro (no clause to legally bound to do so on a later date), immediate implementing Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union with no limitation on European courts ruling. implementing EU legislation adopted in the area of freedom, security and justice, implementing protocol on the Social Chapter of the Maastricht Treaty, which relate to social issues and particularly rights in the workplace. No more London-based clearing houses for clearing euro-denominated interest rate swaps. If they don't want to introduce these measures they can remain where they are.
None of which will ever happen with the tories in power. They have to protect their tax havens you see, and launder dirty money from around the world.🤔
@@pseudonayme7717 The subject Tax Havens was my last point but I scrapped it. We have our own tax havens. I am Dutch and live in Luxembourg so I am living in countries famous for their tax laws. Curacao is also a tax haven. I understand that the EU is trying to introduce some laws this year.
I am sure a more representative legislative would make it easier to join the EU. Embedded in the structure of the EU and the Copenhagen criteria is an insistence on separation of powers. The UK is definitely defective. Election of MPs is very skewed. The majority of MPs who have safe seats are in effect selected by notoriously opaque processes directed by the dominant parties. The Lords are put in place by the executive, a transgression of separation of powers that makes the consequent corruption such as buying places through party donations very unsurprising.
I agree about the legislative and Laws required to be accepted back in the EU. But I'm afraid the EU will expect more than that and so I. From 2026 campaign till now, little britain proved to be what it always been. A xenophobic, narcissistic, corrupt, racist, autocratic colonial institutionalised. I am French/ European and been offended, insulted for decades in little britain but brexit was the last straw. It showed it true nature. I hope a worst will happen for best of every single English. Also the so called "United/ Great" Britain is no more. Nobody wants England in the Union. EUROPEAN UNION OR ANY OTHER. Time to face the truth.
@@DavidDavid-gc9rm no, the EU will just expect us to meet criteria they established for new applicants if we try to rejoin. Then it’s up to the member nations which may be more problematic. Unfortunately I don’t know what Brexit showed even now, because very few people actually can explain why they voted leave. I feel your pain, I’m insulted by the stupidity of my fellow English every day. Fortunately I married a wonderful French woman who keeps me sane.
UK back in the EU within 5-10 years? dream on. Unless there is a total turnaround in UK politics, the EU is not to have the UK join again. New members can only join by unanimity, and like France blocked the UK twice before in the 1960's. I am sure they'll do it again.
The UK will move towards a federation of around 12 regions and nations. That will deliver that turn around - with politics - with the people themselves. That reform also prevents Scotland getting independence.
I fail to see how the UK will ever be welcomed back. UK is not special. They have to stand in line with the other applicants and they will have to accept the euro.
@@federaltrust The price would be too high. Just consider how UK blocked a lot of progressive EU legislation, your xenophobic attitudes and your failed economy.
@@federaltrust It has always been in the EU's interest to compromise and create harmony. That was its founding goal and its economic nature. The UK is on its own path to self-destruction within the UK. The UK union is obsolete and a house divided cannot stand. The UK/England has shown itself and continues to show itself as a massively disruptive and untrustworthy neighbour within the UK and outside the UK. Closer alignment is inevitable in time. But as a rule-taker, not as a rule-maker.
"Do you think the rest of the EU would be willing to have the UK back"...resentment?"" EU citizen here (France), there is NO resentment BUT a clear determination to have the UK or any nation thereof, to FULLY comply with rules, standards as they are TODAY / TOMORROW, that is if the nation is interested in joining. The other point is, Brexit costed us (the EU) quite a lot, so there will be NO discussions until BOTH Labour and Tory agree on an EU application AND with a huge majority of voters in this direction.. There is NO going back to the previous UK status hd in the EU (waivers on Schengen, the Euro, Tatcher's rebate, etc.) but a possible UK application to join the EU. That is to say there is no wiggle room for rule-bending. Many nations including France will veto any waiver request. So no resentments but forget about rule bending and not having an overwhelming majority to join..
The U.K., does not deserve to be allowed back into the E.U.,'s single market as a full member. ''THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED' TO TOE THE LINE'''. The English electorate voted the whole of the U.K., out of Europe and we are all now having to endure the hardships which this mindless piece of nationalistic bravado has caused. We here in Northern Ireland and also in Scotland voted to remain but were dragged out by the larger English voting population. I feel that this unfair state of affairs should be explained to the respective populations of the E.U.,'s member states.
@@Berlitz81 The UK won`t become once more a Member State of the European Union, not least on the grounds that it only takes 1 Member State to veto an application. France will veto an application, as would Spain. Fools must live with the decisions fools make. Alas I must live with them.
I would not ruch back to the EU. 1) We don't know whether they want us back at all over there. 2) I would wait until 80% of people are for the EU like in other EU countries. Imagine we enter SM and we leave it after 4 years because the EU bans us from dumping sewage into our waters. People will start remember well well old good days in the EU when NHS worked, people were buying houses in Spain, when Sterling meant something, when they could afford to build an extention. 3) Returning to SM is not a magic solution to solve issues. Like tax avoidance, corruption , zero hour contracts. We can ourselves as a free and democratic country introduce a British Version of EU's The Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive. Perhaps this will be a good test whether we belong to Europe or we belong to other continents.
Many thanks for this. I agree with all the encouraging words about the richness of European Culture . I want us to be in the EU, making positive contributions again.
@@therealjetlag We have lawyers. But why would we let those do the job the applicant needs to do herself? If you want to keep your medieval loose leaf collection - fair enough. Just like it's fair enough that WE 🇪🇺 hence conclude that a country with a medieval mindset is unfit for membership (you proved that during your membership already). You know: OUR club. OUR rules. OUR decisions. WE 🇪🇺 make our rules as it pleases and suits us. If you don't like them - go whistle. We don't need you - you need us. Greetings from the EU 🇪🇺
Sorry, but brexit is real political opportunity for EU. Finally a chance for a more politically integrated EU. No more pure financial group of lower bidder. UK has blocked EU all along to reach any improvement for the citizens. kept the EU to the minimum for the benefits its finance system. EU is finally rid of the London city and its lobbyists, why should EU shoot again in the foot of its citizens ? There is a clear disagreement with EU being only for multinational company having it easier to escape national taxes, but this is the business model of the london city and UK´s territories all over the world. UK can stay alone have deals with US and australia, even secret ones ...
Your own prejudices preclude you from understanding the world. You might think Brexit is welcomed in the EU but it is not. It damages the EU although not as much as it does the UK.
@@jontalbot1 you see only economics. it is indeed a little economic loss, but it is such a political win, that it can bring quite a economic win if it turns out well. UK always blocked all what isn´t economic. typical liberal thinking, but most of EU citizens actually want more political integration and brexit is a unique chance. if politicians have some balls ...
I’m sorry but it seems *arrogant* to me for people in the UK to talk about joining the SM and the EU without explicitly mentioning that to join all EU and EFTA members would have to agree on that too and I think that that’s all but a given. The EU probably would not want to spent any more time on UK negotiations unless it can be certain that there’s a clear and substantial (say >60%) majority amongst the voters and within all major political parties, now and in the foreseeable future, that would like to join the SM and the EU on the current EU rules. I don’t think that that’s going to happen within 10 years. Not with the Tory ideological lunatics.
@@elipa3 Thank you. I might have been a bit harsh on Prof Grayling but the way he talks it still feels like ‘They need us more like we need them’, even from someone like him.
When Brexit happened, that was the day when the UK entered it's Dark Ages. How long Britain remains in the Dark Ages has yet to be seen, but it could be decades or even centuries. The rest of the World progresses, whilst Brexit Britain remains in the doldrums. Brexit is the greatest con inflicted on a Nation since Germany 1933...
Thought I was going to have to make the point that the EU will only have us back if we reform to proper PR. But the admirable Prof Grayling said it himself. Currently UK citizens cannot cast a fair vote that counts - that is the first-order motivation for reform. Brendan, i noted, remained somewhat aloof from acknowledging the absolutely fundamental importance of proper PR.
@@federaltrust : thnks for that. I had taken his absence of response to the Prof's specific mentions of reform at, I believe, two junctues as disinterest or indifference.
Even the most committed brexiteer is by now feeling a cold dread that if the whole thing had never happened life would be much better.. but most people..of all all persuasions.. are getting a sinking feeling that it's not even about what the UK wants anymore.. it's about what the EU will allow it to have.. and as one commentator said.. the nasty flag waving and we're glad to be escaping this prison... will not be forgotten so quickly.. and it could so quickly arrive at a stage that the UK will be in serious trouble.. like the kind of trouble a drowning person is in..a person who will not argue with the one person who might save them.. but anyway
Most Brexiteers are annoyed that a more complete brexit wasn't implemented. Who cares what the EU will allow, it's no longer UKs concern, there is currently no path back to the EU, no political party (not even the lib dems) are campaigning for another referendum so it's not even going to be an election topic. Time for both the EU and UK to move on.
@@smoosview6103 you're missing the point I'm afraid..I'm asking you to imagine a scenario where the UK realises that it absolutely has to go back into the EU for economic survival..I'm not arguing whether this will happen or not...I'm asking you to imagine that scenario..in the future
@@willieodea83 Could also imagine the situation where the UK joins TPPA and never looks back at the decaying EU, oh wait that is actually happening... The UK has moved on from the EU, brexit is reality and unless the EU radically changes to a more democratic institution it is likely to continue be deeply unpopular both in Europe and around the world.
@@smoosview6103 so why exactly do you think the EU is decaying..I mean that is so akin to a toddler holding his breath imagining that his parents will be sorry when he dies sort of an argument
@@willieodea83 The EU has been decaying for some time, during the 2008 GFC the Euro almost collapsed, the debt to GDP ratio of some of its member states are nearing 150% plus, the Euro is seen as an abject failure for all but Germany and this was all pre covid and brexit. Now add on a rising trade deficit due to the departure of their prisoner UK, Germany and 5 other members in recession, greater exposure to the Ukraine war and the general Covid costs and you have an economy on the edge yet again. Rising unemployment while the UK continues to have the second lowest employment throughout the entire European region, the UK exports at all time highs, lowering trade deficits... No longer forced to buy expensive EU products... The EU has been seen as decaying by the entire world, unless it changes and allows its people to have more of a say then the unelected bureaucrats face being ousted by more countries taking them on. Don't get me wrong, the UK is no picnic right now but it's not due to brexit although it certainly isn't helping either, but the UK is well out of it and is better placed to recover faster as it opens new trade agreements with developing countries.
@@mariobeauchemin7943 No of course not. If l did we would never have left. But l find it weird people like this character thinks the EU is about keeping countries out if you happen to dislike them yourself. The whole point if the EU is to bring nations and people together, even the awkward squad like Hungary, Poland, France (yes), the UK, Bulgaria etc. One day, not in our lifetimes, even Serbia
Not a chance. To much damage is done. Unless, giving up the sterling pound, obey E.U rules in its full content, no more English exeptionalisme, understanding in the broad English opinion what the EU was all about. ( Most people have no clue) So. Resume. Not in 3 decades to come.
Yeah, most British People are totally clueless about how EU is working, the values, integration, legislation. One of the reasons why Brexit happend in the first place.
Britain is turning into CATASTROPHE for its own citizens, Imigration is high , but it hides a RECORD emigration of NATIVES as far away from UK as they can get to Australia and Canada, people are tired of excuses why things are imploding. Britain is experiencing ECONOMIC MELTDOWN as we speak, by the end of decade it will leave place of 6th largest economy and end somewhere in 14th place.
The EU is happy that the arrogant UK left. It is economiccally beneficial for them to keep Brexit going. The unhappy UK businesses are continue to move to the EU. The growing misery of the UK will encourage more cooperation amongst the remaining members and warns other members trying to leave.
Obviously once the people of England have realised that Brexit was a very bad idea and booted out the Conservatives we won't rejoin as whinging Poms. When the UK rejoins the EU we will become the most enthusiastic members for European unity for the simple reason that we've had direct experience of the alternative.
Why should the EU want to take back troublemakers? Britain has shat upon its cornflakes. As far as I am aware it would take a unanimous vote of the 27 for Britain to be readmitted to the EU. Even one dissenting vote would be enough to keep Britain out. Europe is just not interested in engaging with chauvinism.
We don't want to rejoin away. These guys are just whiners. They will never get the number of people required to vote to rejoin the EU anyway. It's just a pipe dream of theirs.
@Walkable Cities We can't just keep having referendums on the same question. People are going to start thinking we have schizophrenia as a nation if we keep chopping and changing all over the place. We have left. We need to now be bold and make it work. We don't need to be part of the EU anyway.
Prof Grayling BEFORE Britain joined in the ECC in 1972 we had 28% inflation. We had to go to IMF to borrow money. Britain was called " the sick man " of Europe and the £ was devalued and loss 1/3 of it value. Today we heading in same direction only 10 X WORSE. We have negative balance of trade, WE import 80% of our food. We do not make car, aircraft, ship or lorries. We import steel, coal and oil and electrical ( white) goods which we used to make. Britain has to re-join the EU or face starving or going bankrupting.
As a native English speaker living long-term in Europe, I can assure you, the EU doesn't want the UK back. For numerous reasons, not least of which is that the UK is an (very) unreliable partner. Other reasons surely exist, too, but the hoops that the UK will have to jump through to rejoin will be bigger and more. Furthermore, if the UK is ultimately taken back, there won't be any special treatment like there was because London was a financial centre. You can forget that.
The truth is that the UK was right to leave the EU. It has a greater level of democratic control over its own laws and borders. It also saves billions each year in EU membership fees.
I do believe that after the UK's official decision to rejoin the EU, there should be another compulsory step: a referendum in all the states members of the EU, to have a clear view if the EU citizens are willing to accept the UK back. Referendums and not just political decision.
Two bigger questions: Will the EU want to re-admit the UK? This is because Brexit has been extremely beneficial to the EU. Now that the UK has proven De Gaul right [that the only reason why the UK wanted to join the then EEC was for mercantile reasons, when for them it was a bigger project, a federated Europe..], you can be assured that the EU will demand no opt outs, and so: Will the UK accept the Euro? Now the EU knows the UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK and it’s anti EU xenophobes….I am sorry guys, but unless the UK accepts WHOLE of the EU, including the icky bits like an EU Army, EU Federation and sovereignty, and the Euro.. and then to have some future generation Nigel Farages again run anti EU hate campaigns… it is not going to happen for at least another 20-30 years or more, if ever. They know at it core the UK is deeply divided by those who hate the EU, and those who do not. They do not want a repeat of BREXIT at some future stage, and they will be right.
Do not expect the continental Europeans to be very enthusiastic for a return in EU of the UK because how Britain did treat them in the past, especially after 2016.
@@railtheater-amsterdam Yes, they will have looooong memories, and they can read English Papers...I will give it 30 years Plus, if at all.. This is like after the divorce, the husband finding things are not as rosy as a divorcee, and the wife finding being divorced from that arrogant and abusive husband is actually better, but now the ex husband whats to get married again... and the ex wife is going... fuck this for a joke! No way am I going to have that arrogant, abusive, demanding, entitled ex husband in my life just because he is demanding to come back and get married again... No way! Once bitten, twice shy........
@@tompiper9276 with respect sir… the views you have canvased is a small sample, and canvassing was not done in a scientific and statistically valid manner…
Rejoin? No thank you!!! UK got what they voted for. No cherry picking anymore, no blocking, no slowing down, no extra rules, no excuses, no exemptions, no complaints. No swiss style benefits. EU is happy that we got rid of UK.
@Hios K well, be realistic. The "young" did not vote at all at that referendum. Additionally, UK would have to go through the whole process for a rejoin. And first if all, ALL EU members have to agree. Do you really think that will happen?
No we're not, the EU is weaker now, so how is that desirable? Should the Brits humbly knock on our door, I would gladly let them in, all be it without the rebate and with the Euro.
@Hios K it hasn't been enough time for it to be in the past... You can't just sweep something like this under the rug so easily especially not after the incessant EU bashing. Here's to hoping the EU will not let the UK in for at least the next 50 years
The people of the UK have been dealt an enormous disservice by the Tory Party. Such, that any return to the EU would be on the basis of the UK proving it is worthy of a place at the table. Trust and honour can be a costly commodity.
@@Charles-pz6ux Possibly, I believe the offence of misconduct in public office applies for at least one current or ex-PM and severall cabinet members. Of course, we will need a PM to not BLOCK prosecutions and investigations on political groiunds like May did.
@@emm_arr More supreme arrogance. There has been no illegality associated with Brexit, otherwise brighter people than you would have taken a legal argument to the courts.
@@hughbasham4389 ^^Russian troll "otherwise brighter people than you would have taken a legal argument to the courts" You need the police and CPS to do that - not "bright people".
British elite is still drunken in the glory of the good old days. The train for European integration and Britian had long leave the station. A long an painful decline is the only thing you guys can look forward to
No, of course not, but do realise the EU population did see and hear about the nasty comments made in the British gutter press and Tory politicians. And then there was the utterly obnoxious behaviour in the final EP session of turning backs by Farage et al. There is hardly any sympathy left and don’t be fooled by some enthusiastic EU politicians they may be friendly in your face but do know at the same time the sentiments within their constituencies. UK needs to eat humble pie and lots of it before even thinking about applying again, re-join does not exist. Study the Copenhagen criteria, live by them for a while and then possibly, just maybe.
@@abbofun9022 If you come back, you better come crawling on your knees. You better know 50 ways to say I'm sorry, and you better bring gifts. HUGE gifts! Peace and love from a woman scorned 😉
It is good to see the start of an objective discussion about the UK and his role in Europe. However, you are too optimistic in your assumption that the UK can rejoin the EU as nothing has happened. It is the attitude of the UK towards Europe that has to change, a social change. A kind of change which is not easy to achieve and will take a lot of time.
I imagine he's being over-optimistic as a tactic to keep the discussion open (as opposed to "They'll never let us back in, forget it!" cutting the subject off) but he is laying it on a little thick.
I believe that UK will be back in the EU in about ten years however I also believe that UK will not get the benefits that it hade when in the EU things like the euro m will be a demand
@@marinusvos 20 years, or more, will be required before UK submits its application. Then negotiations would begin. Their typical duration has significantly increased lately - at least another decade.
Bullshit ofc they can come back .. germany is the best example of getting a second chance after having fucked up . Why treat others different? Stupid. Hey UK when you sorted your shit out welcome back.. if you want that is ;)
You may come back to the EU and you may be made welcome, but it would be delusional to think you will get the same conditions as those you had. Then people may finally realize how foolish they were
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As a Dutchie. I don't think the Europeans will welcome the UK back in the EU. Maybe as a second country (as Switzerland or Norway) but not as a full member. When the UK was a full member, it was always trouble. Margareth Tatcher's only comment we can remember: WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK. UK's negotiation position at this point in time is poor and not getting better. The negotiations for brexit showed that UK wanted OUT, but what your (realistic) goals were...... Nobody knows. So maybe anyone can tell me why you wanted out .... and if you go for rejoin why? And even better: what's in it for the EU. Now the Tories are still in power, it'll be political suicide to make even the slightest step towards the EU. And Labour doesn't take position, just like the past 7 years. So.... rejoin. I don't think it will happen for a few decades.
I agree but I’m a Dutchie too 😉
It seems that after all this time even remainers/rejoiners think that the EU would want the UK back. I’m sure that there are a least a few countries that would object and EU rules require that all members agree.
@EduardvanRaalte agree, there are a few countries that have serious concerns about a "UK" rejoining. I think anyway there will be no UK as we know it in a 10 - 15 year time frame. Scotland is on its way of Independence and Ireland might be a United Country. The question is, would it be worth to let a little "Britain " back in?
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And I agree with you (boring isn’t it 😁)
Isn’t it remarkable that no one in the UK seems to be thinking like this?
@@Conservator. Oh but there are people in the U.K. that think like that. I’m one of them. One of things that Brexit has done is to make the debate in the U.K. even more “U.K.-centric” than it was before. And that’s quite an achievement, given how inward looking this country so often is.
It is outright bizarre to read Brexiteers bleating about how they should be constantly alert to the imminent “betrayal of Brexit” - as if it was within the control of any U.K. government to do any such thing. Ditto the remainer fantasy of “rejoining” - there is no such process as “rejoining”. Both sides of this sterile and pointless debate seem to imagine that a) the U.K. could simply change its mind b) A majority of member states wants the U.K. back c) re entering the EU would simply be a matter of going back to where we were. There is absolutely no evidence that any of these things is true.
Firstly, the U.K. could certainly apply to join the EU. But current terms of membership for new entrants contain a number of hurdles that it is hard to imagine any British government contemplating - not least, use of the €. And all the exemptions and rebates would be gone - how can anyone believe that a new member state would be allowed conditions better than any existing member? Especially not as a reward for 7 years of chaos and many more of recalcitrance.
Secondly, it ignores the impact of the U.K. leaving on the balance of power and economics within the EU. Arguably, the loss of a heavyweight “northern and western” power shifts the centre of gravity of the EU south and east - it becomes more “Mittel Europa” and Mediterranean (sorry NL,DK,SE,FI). There are a number of countries that would benefit from that and not want to see it changed back. And at a time when the Franco-German “motor” of the EU is fragile, do either of them really want the disruptive political complication of the U.K. back again?
What is more likely is Dirk van der Laarse’s point - a “second” as opposed to “third” country status. However horrifying that might be to Brexiteers, unsatisfactory to remainers and exasperating for EU members, there are probably compelling real-world practical economic benefits to both the U.K. and EU member states in that. It would be horribly complicated and fractious (the EU-Switzerland arrangements are a continuous wrangle - imagine that scaled-up) and would no doubt have to avoid taboo words like “single market” and “customs union” to save face and minimise the mouth-frothing on the hard right, but something like the “EU-U.K. Comprehensive Trade Bilateral” might be a likely outcome. But even that is at least 5 years away.
But “rejoin”? Nah, doesn’t exist, won’t happen.
@@davidpaterson2309
Thank you for your comment David, it was a pleasure to read.
One small point: Countries joining the EU have to change their currency to the Euro but there’s no mechanism to enforce that. Sweden is an example of a country that is still (and probably will be for who knows how long) in the process of converting to the Euro. So, yes the U.K. would have to start the process but it could postpone it possibly indefinitely.
Brexiters had their Brexit, the UK crashed out of the EU. In what extent the Brexit failed ? you had it. It's a mess, it's a disater, it"s a nonsens but Brexiters had their brexit. What are they complaining about exactly ? oh I see, they complain of not being treated like a member state anymore....They need mental care.
too bad the waiting list for mental health care problems in the UK is endless. *coughbrexitcough*
It’s quite amazing, for such a massive victory, they don’t seem to want to remember it. Imagine not being able to talk about the 1966 Football World Cup because we won, you lost get over it. Bonkers
No mental health institution in the country would take them
As an European, I do not want The UK back. Maybe an independent Scotland, but not England and Wales.
The UK is breaking up and will be no more in any case....
I'm Irish and reunification of my island is inevitable now.
May Scotland get its independence from the English government.
All in all, I wish the British public well and may they see sense.
Of course you don't want the UK back. Germany wants to strenghten it dominance over the rest of the EU!! Dem Deutschen Volke!! A new Reich?
I am of European Origin as well? The reason for your animosity?
We'll be back when UK is moving towards a federation like Germany already is. That's the basic problem underscoring Brexit and other issues in Britain.
No animosity. Just being realistic.
What makes you think that the EU is willing to do this after all the mud slung at them by the UK???
By some in the UK.
dont want to go back u clown
“Enthusiasm” in the EU about U.K. rejoining ?
I doubt that 😊
0 whatsoever. If anything Brexit just showed the EU that the UK is not needed at all... Like life goes on without skipping a beat just much more peaceful now
The EU is about as enthusiastic about the UK joining as it is about any other European country that doesn't meet the criteria.
British exceptionalism. Applies to professors as well.
Brexit is not a dream that is dying!
It's a nightmare that has just begun...
Time to wake up.
As the late great Karen Carpenter once sang....'It's Only Just Begun'....except Brexit won't be a lovely song!
@@martinmcdonald4207 She committed suicide.
@@mrmr9767 I think it was anorexia that took her in the end.
@Barry Jones Well, that seemed to be a long and stupid rant.
I want a referendum im the EU and my vote will be NO THANKS! The UK has NEVER understood what the EU is all about. The UK ONLY sees MONEY MONEY MONEY. We see the peace project, cooperation and freedom.
So do many of us in the UK
@@apedanticpeasant1447 I hope you're right.😑
France 🇨🇵 has referenda on applicants. You can count on us to veto them.
@@EllieD.VioletMerci!
@@EllieD.Violet France is rather fortunate we left first, given it rather killed Le Pen’s EU exit movement overnight. Still my wife, and potentially my children if old enough, will also get a vote in that French referendum. Just like all the French citizens living in the Uk, who were denied a vote on there future in the Brexit referendum. Also, if it ever gets that far, as I doubt it’s going to happen for at least 15 to 20 years, most Brexit voters will likely be dead. So don’t punish the innocent for the sake of it.
I am a EU citizen and am very impressed with Professor Graylings thoughts on Brexit. I have followed the twists and turns of the Brexit drama since June 2016 and I largely agree with his analysis. I slightly disagree with his opinion that the UK Labour Party is pro Brexit. I think their position is more nuanced than that./ They have internal party issues to contend with and an election to win before they can deal straightforwardly with Brexit. I entirly agree that some form of PR is essential for the wellbeing of the UK electorate. It was utterly rediculous that 37% of the eligible UK electorate in an advisory referendum was allowed to decide such a momentous issue. Thre should at least have been a confirmatory vote on the outcome of the negotiations.
Good afternoon Eugene O'Malley, greetings from Germany near Cologne.
After the deal with the EU Labour had to agree in Parliament. They were in a difficult position.
For me, the only reasonable argument to leave the EU was indeed the NHS.
Logical to think that the membership fee could be used fo financing the NHS.
But just the opposite has happened, look at the current situation. One should even be more honest: The state is broke. Fortunately a state can't go into administration. Mr Starmer is right, he said: "A reform is necessary, otherwise the NHS dies."
The ordinary German is quite indifferent to Brexit. But those who love the UK, mostly because of its culture, often travel to the UK, spend a lot of money there,
they are heartbroken mainly because of the rhetoric.
I have come to the UK for more than half a century, sometimes 3x a year, in the last years mainly to Stratford-upon-Avon to watch Shakespeare's dramas. Stratford can perfectly do without me, a Zahewi extreme Brexit area, I'm going to other places for theatre and operas, Austria and France.
Now they are talking about 'illegal immigrants', one day they will talk about 'illegal tourists', the first steps have been taken: Refusing the ID-Card. - wish you all the best and thank you for your informative comment (Irish, Scottish?)
@@godehardbrysch7905 It's only logical if you mistakenly think the UK's contribution was a membership free or similar. In reality, of course, it - as with all other members - is an investment, that returns a dividend. Which is to say, the £350m for the NHS was pure fantasy - or, for most making the claim, I suspect, an out-right lie, as they knew this - because leaving the EU wouldn't (and couldn't) really free up the money to be spent elsewhere.
@@godehardbrysch7905 Thanks for your comment. I'm Irish living in Cork. Brexit has had / will have major impact on us both economically and culturally. Hence my great interest in the subject. I sense that with the latest UK Prime Minister there appears to be a more rational approach to Brexit.
@@eugeneomalley8407 Hi Eugene, I guessed it: O' - Thank you for your country that has given us so much in literature. I'm not referring to the former Elite: Joyce, O'Brien, Shaw etc but even to modern literature, I attended a reading by Tana French in Cologne. Brilliant novelist.
I'm not so optimistic. To show that Brexit was not a failure the rhetoric still goes on, the aim: "Look, how good it was to leave", forgetting or diverting from the current problems in the UK. Where's the boom?
Characteristic for me: Theresa May said "I had good talks with the EU and there is a very good chance that we can stay in the Erasmus Project.
Boris Johnson: "No, we'll have our own one."
Nevertheless I hope you are right.
@@paull373 Good evening Paul L, thank you for putting it right. The Red Bus by the Leave Campaign was cleverly planned. It only said: "let's fund the NHS instead". I wonder how much it has been funded.
First one is impressed by the word 'milllion". But a million is nothing. One example from my Bundesland North-Rhine-Westfalia. An increase of petrol of € 0.01 on a special day leads to a profit of 54 million for the state on this day (we have a population of 20 million). It's hard to believe.
In my town a small bridge over a stream, length: 15m, width: 1.50m has now been calculated as € 600,000 building costs, again hard to believe.
-wish you all the best for tomorrow.
Wonderful, thoughtful and generous conversation. Thank you 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
Yes, I agree. However, the latter part of the discussion failed, (in my opinion) to consider NATO. I think that reliance on that treaty allows Europe to invest in social programs as opposed to military development. It is a mutually beneficial treaty but the cost burden falls mostly on the US, and it is considerable.
Yes a lot of the military burden falls on the US but the EU accepts in return the dollar as the international currency of trade which gives the US, obviously, an incredible advantage. In my view, one goes with the other. I very much doubt that the trillions of dollars that the US has raised to finance the financial crisis of 2008, the Covid tragedy, and Biden’s social and industrial investments would have been possible without the US dollar having the status that it has.
It is not spelled out that way but it is a mutual beneficial relationship.
When the psychotic ex who ruined your life for decades finally left your house, you don’t call her back… sorry guys.
Currently, there is not a single Member State that wants the UK to rejoin. The UK has paralyzed the EU since the 90's and the Union has been able to do so much without you in a few years : common response to the pandemic, to the war in Ukraine, to the current economic issues,...
@@JupiterThunder you are an absolute troll.
It doesn’t matter what we in the UK think. Rejoining is in the gift of the EU. Why would they re-admit a former disruptive member
Perhaps they might want our money? Remember that we were one of the few large contributors to the EU budget whereas most EU states profited from membership.
@@vatsmith8759 not worth it to them. It wasn’t all that much anyway
@@vatsmith8759
"Perhaps they might want our money?"
That hoary old chestnut again?
Pleaaaaaaase!
Back in reality, the UK's pathetically small, NET, contribution to the EU's minuscule budget never amounted to more than 12% of the total.
We factored in the loss of that pathetically small, NET, contribution to the EU's minuscule budget many years ago.
The current EU seven year budget, officially called the Multi-Annual Financial Framework(MAFF), is approximately TWICE as large as the previous, PRE-Brixit, one.
You were never, remotely, as important as you desperately want to believe you were.
And you are far less important now.
The number of net contributors is increasing all the time.
Ireland has been a net contributor since 2014.
@@martinhommel9967 it was it was about 10% of their income, that's why we had to hand over £35bn to them. The Uk is a big economy its worthwhile the EU plugging into it. Problem is cos of brexit they can plug into us without costs but we cant do it the other way round. SO brexit for an EU member is pretty win win
@@stephennutt4083 The UKs net contribution after projects and farmers in the UK received money was less than 12 billion per annum. For that the UK had unfettered access to a market of 500 million people.
Westminster gives Northern Ireland 12 billion more than it receives in taxes from Northern Ireland every year. NI has a population of less than 2 million for GB to sell to. Makes EU membership look like a bargain which it was.
Brexit has cost British business more than 2 billion per month which is over twice the cost of EU membership.
The professor is correct ( from a U.K. point of view) it doesn’t make economic sense for the U.K. to be out of the Single market and have to deal with trade barriers. He also makes the point the U.K. would be better of if the country could influence the rules and standards of the Single Market. The problem is we are way past the point where the U.K. had the clout to influence anything. In the building phase of the EU and it’s institutions the U.K. with its experience and know how of ruling and administrating an empire was invaluable. Also back then the U.K. was one one of the big three. At best ( if allowed back in) it would be one of the big four ( Poland is likely to be on par with Germany) plus there are groupings of smaller members that when working together have the voting power to cancel out the U.K. vote. The EU has developed and and doesn’t really need the U.K. anymore.In fact the UK’s economy needs a lot investment to get back to anywhere near the place it was in 2016. Who is going to put the money time and effort in for almost no gain. The UK’s position ( both politically and economically) as the gateway into the EU and Single market is lost forever.The UK’s biggest industry ( services) is diminishing and spreading into the EU.
The position of the city as the worlds biggest Money laundering machine doesn’t really aid the process of rejoining in fact before that becomes a possibility the city would have to be seriously restructured and come under the oversight of the ECB witch is completely unacceptable to the U.K. The U.K. as centre of education and science is under serious threat as a result of being pushed out of Horizon and leaving Erasmus there is a brain drain going on. Falling behind in science is close to unrecoverable, losing access to EU research data and exchange is a disaster that’s happening without anyone in the U.K. paying attention. Plus the U.K. still fails to understand the EU is as much as peace project ad it is an economic one, the process of a an ever closer Union is still moving forward.The U.K. getting back in would be like a person jumping onto a moving train and immediately pulling the Emergency brake completely unacceptable for the rest of the passengers. The U.K. is destined for a future outside , looking in but unable to enter
Very well said. 100% agree.
Great analysis, thanks 👍
It is a completely fabricated myth th at the EU is an effective peace project. Its ability to live peaceful lives was created significantly by the sacrifice of countries from all over the world, but primarily the USA, and it is still a protectorate of the USA via NATO. Without NATO the EU would never have been able to expand, or most probably, even exist.
The EU is pretty much finished with significant expansion, and has now come up against harder boundaries of Russian and other geopolitical interests, and because it only accepts adjacent countries unless it changes will first stagnate and then decline. There are some problem a for which solutions are coming. NI will probably be solved within a year the EU will allowed the agreed access to horizon. Erasmus was just a plaything for wealthy families, and will be replaced by an increase in interactions with the rest of the world.
The first major strategic trade change will be as the UK accede to the CPTPP within the next two years. This unlike the EU is trade bloc with global ambitions and when the UK joins it will then be represented in most of the world continents, including Europe. Probably just missing Africa.
It's probable that the USA will lol at again, China already is and it's kind if connected to RCEP. The EU is constrained by being 44% of just the one continent is us actually reducing in its percentage if world economic activity. The UK is joining organisations that are growing rapidly.
People forget the strategic reasoning and planning of brexit and are way to focused on today's issues which are being solved rather than the future.
One of the things people forget, is all these changes in regulation, which are forcing things like Euro clearing and head offices and or subsidiary offices into the EU, maybe good for EU tax receipts, but they are forcing significant cost into EU business, and with a lot if EU business already struggling to face competition outside of the EU where their protection ends, this is not a strategically good thing. Sure the EU is a sizable market, but compared to the rest if the world it's relatively small and is slowly diminishing.
@@peterclareburt4594 The EU is one of the three largest economies in the World, coming after China and the USA, which are very nearly the same size as each other. I don't think a 'trade deal' with China will happen. A trade deal with the US has considerable disadvantages, the US has made it clear that it would want to be able to intervene across large areas of the UK economy, this particularly includes standards in food and agriculture, also NHS intervention. However, the USA uses trade to further its political aims, and does not hesitate to impose sanctions on a trading partner if it suits them to do so, e.g. Canadian dairy exports to the USA.
There's also the issue of 'gravity', i.e. the EU is on our doorstep, the USA is the other side of the Atlantic ocean.
Professor Grayling, like a lot of his compatriots, also seems not to understand exactly what a "third country" means, especially as he blithely posits the possibility of becoming "a part of the Single Market" as a half-way house back to full membership. When asked further about this he not only cites this as "plausible" but "likely".
It is neither - it is impossible. To be within the Single Market is not simply to be "aligned" with its standards and rules. Such voluntary alignment would certainly help in negotiating a better TCA in the future and therefore improve access to it, but they are not the criteria determining participation within that market as a "member", "associate member", "partial member" or "pseudo member" (take your pick). The sole criterion that applies is your accountability to a court governing your conduct within that market, either to the ECJ as a full member of the EU (first country) or to the EFTA Court which shares jurisprudence on behalf of that organisation's members availing of the EEA (second country). Without this submission to a supranational court's jurisdiction there is no way any unaccountable maverick can ever presume to avail of that market's advantages from within.
Third countries who think that this rather crucial condition somehow doesn't or shouldn't apply to them are simply indulging in exceptionalist fantasy - exactly the mindset that got you into the mess you're in in the first place!
It is almost even more heartbreaking and shocking to see such delusion being peddled as fact by those who at least understand the self-destruction that has been wrought than it was when exhibited by all those who made themselves willing agents of that destruction. And yet from the UK we hear little else these days.
There is no "reversing" Brexit. There is instead a long road ahead acquainting yourself with reality, rules, constitutions and what they really are, and maybe even actual democracy (which PR alone will not fix in the UK's case), after which point an application to join the EU again may indeed be contemplated by other EU members, many of whom not only understand democracy but treasure it too dearly to ever again be threatened by such arrogantly deluded constituents back in their midst. As far as I can see the UK has not only failed to take even a single step along that road - it doesn't even know yet that it has to.
Fine talk, and well meant sentiments, but no cigar. Go off and have a good think and try again later.
Professor Grayling would certainly want the UK to accept all the implications of being in the Single Market, including the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
A+++. Your comment is brutally accurate and a much-needed reminder that there are 'space cadets' on both sides of the Brexit argument.
@@federaltrust He did not make this at all clear, and to be honest I am not sure what it means either when expressed by someone from within a third country. How exactly does the UK now submit directly to the jurisdiction of the ECJ if not a member of the EU or of EFTA? Does it just promise to? Or is this yet another "special" interpretation of international law and the EU Constitution that only Britain ever seems to recognise?
Sorry, but as I said - if you cannot see how equally exceptionalist and deluded this thinking is to the nonsensical thinking that so harmed your country then I am afraid you are massively underestimating the extent of true reform ahead of you as a nation. But as recent years have made so evident, this now appears always to have been the case within the UK. Brexit was just a brutal manifestation of some rather deeper problems within British society that require to be addressed before any such "promise to behave" to the ECJ or anyone else could ever be regarded as anything but ludicrous.
It is highly likely, as we all know.
@@SonOfViking Ah, now you have gone from being certain, to someone who is not sure what it means. The inescapable reality is that the UK being a member is better than not having the UK back as a member. The question is of time, not outcome.
I have been following Brexit for years now. It is a disaster, however I have not heard from one rejoiner talking about the grand experiment that is the European Union , peaceful coexistence amongst 27 countries, freedom of movement or unified standards and regulations that protect its citizens Just talk of the “ financial “ benefits, money and more money . Maybe longer stays in Spain.
Then you haven’t been paying attention. They was a key thrust of the referendum campaign, and is a key part of the overall aim. The news about the bonfire of rights was a referendum point labelled project fear by the leavers. It’s pretty much in the news now for liberal media. The right wing stuff, not so much. The risk to continental relations was also highlighted as a significant risk highlighted. Most Progressives voted remain (according to polling) for the reasons stated in your post, so there’s little reason to go over old ground.
Currently the discussion is economic as the economic cost of Brexit is becoming apparent. Also, we are trying to appeal to generally economically and/or socially conservative people. They really don’t give a crap about the more technical (regulatory), emotional and social reasons for rejoining. It turned them off in the referendum, so its unlikely to help now.
Yes that's a good point Dan. I think it's one of the main reasons Remain lost. Nietzsche said "people believe that which is seen to be believed in strongly". Farage and co. understood that perfectly, emotion always played a greater role in his arguments than logic. He often told straight out lies, but that didn't matter because it was never about facts to begin with.
Contrast that with remain, who stuck to facts and figures, convinced naively that they would speak for themselves. As you say there should have been more talk about the benefits the EU has brought beyond efficiency and convenience. Ending a thousand years of bloodshed and hatred. Solving our problems by negotiation, realising if we all act together we can achieve more than any one nation can on their own.
Never has the rationale for a united europe been stronger, we have to fight hard now for what we believe in and push back against the Putins, Trumps, Farages, and Orbans of this world...
As an EU citizen living abroad, I have watched the antics and poisonous/disruptive behaviour by the UK (England) both from home and now from abroad for over 40 years. I hope that the EU will not let the UK back in for at least 20years minimum..if ever. There has to be a major generational change and massive change in attitude before the UK (England) is fit to become a member again. Even now they want to change the EU to suit their way....talking about entitlement. 🙄
Why do you frustrate, if Aussie wants to join French Polynesia welcome. By MACRON fils de puite. Lol
F... the EU we won't be back in that hated shite unless it's to destroy it from within
There is no such thing as an 'EU citizen'Bruce.
Only countries, nations or states can endow citizenship. The EU is an organisation, not a country, not yet anyway although we know that's the plan, now at least.
The EU wasn't in existence forty years ago,either,bud. What makes you think we want to go back into the EU? The thought of that is absurd. Why would we?
The only countries that want to join the EU Org are countries which are broke. The richer countries like Norway,|Iceland and Switzerland all rejected membership[, Norway and Sweden did after TWO referendums each.
The UK only want the EU to honour the terms of what it says in Article 50. You won't have read that of course.
Slainte.
You can’t be an “EU citizen” it’s not a sovereign country.
We don't want the eu. We're never going to seek membership.
Let not your heart be troubled.
It's a tough issue. I was upset when the UK voted to leave our club. However then I saw how the campaign was fought with lies often about us in the EU. I've seen how both main parties have sought to attract the votes of leavers and continue to back the notion of brexit being beneficial to the UK.
I've also seen how angered some member states were by the British attitude towards us and the negotiations. I would not be surprised if one or more members threatened to use their veto.
Your club! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This may come as a shock, which most of our politicians have never realised. Our minds were already made up before the campaign started. We already knew the truth, and we didn't like what we saw
@@rjones6219 😂😂 you never had a clue and you still don’t.
@@TesterAnimal1 Knowledge tends to sow doubt about a topic, because you know you could be wrong. His mind is not burdened by this.
@@rjones6219 what didn’t you like about it?
What were the lies specifically? Even Remainers had to resort project fear rather selling the EU on its merits, the simple reality is the EU is not as democratic as Westminister, policy decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats to be rubber stamped only by the parliament, the president is elected the same way with parliament given a yes no only on the commissions choice. Turkey is on a path to join the EU it may never get thereby it is on the path. The EU is considering an EU army. The ECJ can overrule member laws. The UK had no means to block cheap eastern EU labour undercutting local pay rates.
Why would Europe welcome a nation with such outrageous hair styles back into their union?
you are a prat
Eu doesn't want you back.
From my continental perspective, there are several aspects to Brexaster:
Hilariously, the vast majority of the UK debate both on the remain and on the leave side are entirely detached from reality, Prof. Grayling being at the forefront as he demonstrates again and again in this vid. Incredible popcorn factor it it weren't for the British people suffering from the Brexit mess.
The EU27 will have no interest whatsoever in the UK rejoining unless and until both Lab and Con (and their respective press organs) show a stable and rational argument for EU membership for more than one parliamentary term. Not going to happen for the next 10-20 years... Until then, the UK will constitute the best practical example Brussels could ever have imagined as to why being part of the EU is a fantastic idea. And this is just Brussels, any accession candidate needs unanimous agreement from all 27 member states (+ a couple of regions such as Wallonia).
Knowing this, Turkey is much closer to EU membership than the UK. (but not going to happen, either)
Agreed, although Turkey doesn't apparently meet the Copenhagen Criteria, so that's a remote event too!
Those of us from countries in the EU don't necessarily want the UK back.
In fact, it is up to us (the EU) whether we want the UK to re-join or not. The UK has no saying in the matter apart from requesting to join again.
@@scipio1010 We have no desire to re join the EU except for a few idiots. It will take a few years before we see the real benefits of Brexit. We used to rule the world. We do not need to be governed by unelected people in Brussels. NO Thank-you.
@@valeriedavidson2785 Not the world. Some countries in Africa and Asia. Not in Europe and in the last world war had it not been for the Americans, you would be speaking German.
@@scipio1010 It was 25% of the world actually and no not Europe the British saved Europe when Britain, having beaten the Germans in the Battle of Britain, was a springboard to invade the Germans in Europe. Don't give me that rubbish about the Americans winning the war. At the critical moment, in 1939 Britain kept going and the Americans joined in when we were halfway through the war. They did help with equipment but their military are nowhere as professional as the British military and Britain had radar first. The European countries should be for ever grateful to Britain for saving THEM. You talk utter rubbish.
Professor Grayling speaks at the end of the video about the moral basis of the EU and its values.
But he completely fails to comprehend that accession criteria need to be met and he overestimates that former contributions of the EU member UK don't matter for our 🇪🇺 decision. There are more and better reasons to keep the UK .... or what's left of it .... out for half a century than let her back in.
@Barry Jones Incoherent rant from an uneducated petit rosbif. 😎
@Barry Jones TLDR. Get lost, rosbif
There is no “moral basis” in the EU. It is a blatant attempt to recreate a Franco German Empire - which the French have always dreamed of and the Germans have always hoped for.
You only have to look at Ukraine to see the lack of moral basis. Germany refuses to supply tanks because it hopes to recreate its gas deal with Russia and will not do anything to harm the prospects.
Moral basis must mean something very different in the EU…….
@Barry Jones
Wow, what a rant.
I find it odd why you think the UK government shouldn’t be held accountable for its illegal actions, especially as the executive and legislature are basically the same, and the judiciary have a fairly conservative bias and not truly independent. It’s particularly odd as the government had agreed to signup to this. So you get unlawfully detained, wouldn’t you want to have recourse to an independent court if necessary?
Given how many laws brexiteers in government like to break, I would think it was very much a sensible check and balance. I mean, the whole purpose of the court is to ensure the correct rule of (UK) law or treaty obligations.
Brexit was done, and you done us all.
The EU might not be keen on taking the UK back. Given that a single country can veto EU ascension, the brexit winners don't want to loose their share of the pie. Joining the single market requires acceptance of all members, Norway already sad no to the UK on EFTA. Several EU countries have several reasons to keep the UK out
Matheus, you are right. But you mean “lose”, not “loose”.
The robber barons who own Britain have no interest whatsoever in re-instating EU rules that might limit their looting of the UK economy, and - playing perfectly into the hands of those robber barons - the British people are too infantilely xenophobic to understand any of the political and economic realities involved.
The UK's constant need for exemptions and othre special treatment and how it repeatedly acted as a backdoor for the US to meddle in EU internal affairs are the reason that's an extreme uphill battle you're fantasizing about.
Why is anyone complaining. If you guys dont want us in then this is a win for you isnt it? Move on.
@@sacredgeometry Would be easier if you'd finally shup up all your whining then, You win your referendum to kick your nation's future off a cliff.
And the irony is that the US now wants a closer working relationship with the EU.
If Brexit did anything, it cut Britain down to size. It's a worse tragedy than WW2. Despite the terrible, lamentable deaths, lots of good came out of WW2 - not least the European Union.
Britain has shot itself in both feet - perhaps even hamstrung itself. Once you are crippled, you can only hope for a slow rehabilitation - never a full return to normality.
We were crippled for 50 years, now we're free to thrive. Meanwhile I hope you enjoy being dictated to. So stupid you can't see it
@@rjones6219 Of course I can't see what you see. You are evidently one of those people who plunged this country into the abyss. I understand - you wouldn't even admit to Brexit being idiotic once a vas lt majority of the population clearly stated how it was ruining Britain.
So sad that we all have to pay the price for your stupidity.
@@rjones6219 Too many Englanders stick in WW2 victory and their ridiculous pride of the colonies they suppressed for so many long gone centuries. England's creeping decline will continue as long as living in the illusion of still being the major power it once was, like a somnambulist. Maybe they will wake up when Scotland an NI will abandon this molding, stinking bed with fury and hubbub. You cripple yourself day by day, you thriving funnny zany.
They forgot that their feet were in their mouth
@@JupiterThunder A kicked dog barks
Anyone seen the ludicrous video that the Chancellor Jeremy Hunt and his department released this morning? Coffee cups and inflation, but not a mention of Brexit. Barking childish video. Mr Coffee Bean.
There’s no enthusiasm for your return until your mindsets change. You must go through the process like all nations. Take a number.
eu don't want them back, too much of a headache
We have PR here in Ireland, it works great. Your vote goes further and you don't get extremes of rightwing or leftwing ,it means a coalition of different parties coming together. It amazes me that in England a party can get one million votes but very few seats
yes it does seem unfair the lib dems can get millions of votes yet only get half a dozen of seats in parliament its time to scrap the first past the post system and bring in pr it will increase democracy as more people will vote as you say your vote will go further and will encourage more especialy young people to vote
@@12presspart I think that most forms are more democratic. But even in Ireland we had effectively a one party state, the party mostly being elected was Fianna Fáil, who despite being as corrupt and incompetent was really good at buying votes and living off post civil war loyalties to win elections.
So even PR does not guarantee the government a country needs.
@@Astrogator1 in the early days of PR in Ireland FF politicians would encourage their voters only to vote for FF candidates on the ballot paper only thus nullifying the advantage of PR then in the late 1960’s they tried to change the PR system back to first past the post thankfully this was rejected by the voters .
@@Astrogator1 That stopped basically in the early seventies. That is forty years ago. We have had coalitions of some description since then. It takes a long time for democracy to settle down as it where. I am an old foggie and cannot remember FF ever having a substantial majority like the present Conservatives in England.
We have PR in Australia and it leads to two problems:
Minority one issue parties with seats eg the gun lobby (Shooters Party)
2. Bizarre alliances established by swapping preferences and swaps. So parties get elected but then because of the pretences they implement the polices of parties that doesn’t even get elected.
The only really democracy is Constant Referendum. Want to have a peace treaty with North Korea push 1.
But governments seem to think they are SME who can tell use what we are going to get. Brexit is an example of that. Majority voted for it but Politicians think they know better and avoid implementing it.
Sorry boys, but the five to ten year timeframe is a complete pipe dream. Once the UK's (or whatever's left of it) attitudes change enough to even apply for membership of the single market, there will be years of negotiations followed by another referendum which will probably fail when the English majority realise how far down the EU pecking order they have fallen and what requirements they have to adhere to in order to become welcome and trusted members.
Agreed. And little England is a better ally when its a rule taker: look at what happened when it had advantages no other member had.
A Norway minus minus minus kind of deal would be more than adequate.
Classic case of projecting your own wishes for a desired future. Face it: Brexit, as predicted, is a failure. There is only one way to go. We can all speculate how long it will take but the direction of travel is clear to all
Why would the EU accept you English back? What’s in it for the 27, more pain and headache?
No political party has it their manifesto to go back. The six million EU residents already here don't want to go back, it's over finished.
Money
@@Redsleather Keep your money. We're doing just fine without it!
@@bradsmith9689 20 years later....things and demography will change.
But EU citizens are not going to forget
Bye plague Island!!
The Brexiters are beginning to worry that Brexit might be reversed. Perhaps they know something we don’t.
It's a piece of Brexshit and should NEVER have gone to a referendum, because of all the lies.
A German friend asked me at the time how do you think they'll vote? I said give stupid people an important vote and they'll vote the wrong way every time!
People weren't clued up enough to make the vote!
Or maybe they are just flying that banner in order to stop people thinking instead of emoting. Reversing Brexit is not a thing. Leaving was something the UK could do on its own, joining isn't. Even if 100% of the electorate wanted that, the UK would still first need to meet the criteria to even qualify for becoming a member candidate. That's a project for a double digit year count.
No, they really don’t.
No, they really don’t.
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Let's hope at least one EU-country vetoes this to never happen. The U.K. (mostly the English) are masters in evading responsibility by blaming others. Blame the E.U., blame immigrants, blame Meghan Markle, but never... ever... a look in the mirror. I truly hope they're able to change their ways in this regard.
Fortunately, the EU is neither run by, nor even dominated by, fascists, so your wish is denied, and always has been denied.
@@ohgosh5892 Every member state has the right to veto new member applications. It would only take one of our members to reject your application and sorry to say but the UK has been actively burning bridges.
The UK won't be back. Scotland will join us and NI uniting with Ireland. Wales may join leaving England on its own. In about 60 or 70 years the English population may have lost its exceptionalism disease due to the sheer collapse of the country. Then England may be in a position to submit an application.
France 🇫🇷 will take care of that
@@ohgosh5892 O, that's what fascism is?
What you seem not to understand is that as long as an Australian conservative (Murdoch) publisher is calling the shots in the UK via his trashy papers, public sentiment will not change and - no matter the costs - the UK will not try to rejoin because the misinformed British public won't have it.
unfortunately you are completely right.
People tend to only buy newspapers that they agree with in the first place, otherwise everybody would be buying the Guardian. Blaming newspapers because people don’t agree your own point of view is a bit of a cop out, and amounts to not much more than a conspiracy theory.
The eu will not allow uk back for up on 20 years. And there will be no negotiations. It will be entirely on the eu.s terms. Way too much damage to relations has been done by the anti European Tories.
Brits must get this right!
The main problem for returning into the EU isn't something like 'The eu will not allow uk back for up on 20 years'! §49 of the EUropean constitution is pretty clear - any country in Europe can apply for membership, but has to meet the entry conditions. And that is the real UK problem! Right now, the UK does not meet half of the entry conditions and the situation is getting worse and worse!
I do not support the line of thought 'allow uk back for 20 years' - the correct description is 'the UK will not be able to meet the basic membership conditions for at least 50 years!'
And the negotiations after that will be nothing Brits will like to see... (Yes, negotiations are a large part of the joining procedure - Turkey has only passed 1 out of 20+ negotiation rounds after 30+ years after the application!)
There are significant numbers of anti EU Labour Party members which is wht Starmer wants to make Brexit work and will not support rejoining.
@@LeonLShaw Do you think the percentage is much higher than in the average population? Otherwise, it would make no sense...
How did Brexit ever make sense?
Exceptionalism and nostalgia are keeping Britain blind to the true situation. There is no "Boris' cake" to eat. UK is not in control. UK cannot dictate EU polices, at least not anymore. They are out and will remain. Sorry, but Is that so hard to understand?
We are not all Boris and in case you did not know he is reviled by the great majority of Brits as a self interested liar. You make the classic mistake of thinking politics is a destination not a process. Things change,. Take the case of Ukraine. I do not like the UK government but they have shown consistently higher support for Ukraine than other European members and some like Hungary, have shown no support at all. Remember a lot of our people died (along with Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Indians, Kiwis etc) to free Western Europe. My father was badly wounded in Normandy to free France. Most of Europe still depends upon the US in particular but also us Brits to defend them. You might not want to acknowledge this but most Europeans and their governments know this. The UK will be back in the EU eventually. Brexit is simply our Trump/Le Pen/Orban moment
The EU did not merely secure the peace of most of continental Europe; it helped bring peace to the island of Ireland. Which is now in jeopardy.
And is willing to take economical hits to defend it. Ireland is one of us and we support them 100%.
Hi kleinpca, and not to forget the EU received the Peace Nobel Prize.
Be England/Wales seek Join EU singular Market are Only have left of UK in a couple of years future 🤔
It's remarkable how in recent years, the European Union has been more interested in preserving the peace in a province of the United Kingdom than the UK itself has been. I'm referring to the UK government playing silly buggers with the Northern Ireland protocol, threatening to quit an international agreement they signed just a couple of years ago.
Talk about giving the credit to the EU for something it had nothing to do with! The peace in Europe since 1945 has been maintained by NATO, backboned by the United States. Nothing to do with the EU. The Peace in the north of Ireland, again brokered by the United States. Nothing to do with the EU.
No, No,
There are lots of people on the continent, who strongly oppose a new member GB.
We don't want you back. Stay outside you....
Dumb people make decisions and smart people bear the consequences.
My goodness... Uk thinking that they could come back and mess again the EU ? Silly idea.
One of the best things of brexit is: you cant reverse it.
Prepare for 30 years or so.
More likely 50. 😎 We 🇨🇵 don't like to rush things.
I agree with practically everything he says, apart from the conclusion he draws. Its based on logic, reason and whats best for the country and its people. I have been arguing with people about brexit for 7 years there is no logic or reason any more, people don't want whats best for the country or even themselves or their children. They want only what the media tells them they want.
Control the media and you control the country
It's not a logical debate - it's one based on emotion and a desire for more sovereignty
Even if in the future a party pushes for a referendum to rejoin, now all the 27 EU member countries have to hold a referendum asking whether their people want the UK to return or not. If the UK government wants to rejoin, they have deal with the outcome of 28 referendums (theirs plus 27). In addition, there is a waiting list of countries to enter the EU, which according to the EU rules must be respected.
Honestly I enjoyed listening to this video. It is interesting how "self centric" UK this view is on the EU even when debating a possible return. The EU is a Union, an entity to enable smaller nations to compete together for common goals on the world market. Even when the UK was part of the EU Thatcher demanded a European rebate for the UK and special status to protect national interests. You have never paid up as an equal member and shared the burden. What makes you think the EU will vote you back in when Poland, France, Germany and all the others have done their bit to benefit the UK.
It is not unreasonable for a British think tank and a prominent British commentator to talk about changes necessary in their own country in order to make rejoining the EU possible. It will then of course be up to our partners to decide if they want us back.
@@federaltrust As an Irishman observing from the outside, no harm in discussing rejoining. In regards to whether the EU will have you back certain things will have to happen. Electoral reform for one and a cure will have to be found for English exceptionalism. The first is easy the second is very difficult and the cure is as bad as the disease.
The UK will break up with Scotland joining and NI uniting with Ireland. Wales may go its own way leaving England on its own for decades.
When things in England get so bad that they can't get worse the population may well be cured of exceptionalism and England will be in a position to submit an application to join.
Sad to see how Britain has gone. Best of luck, you are going to need it.
@@federaltrust What tends to be missed when talking to a British think tank is that the requirements for the UK joining are no different than are the requirements for Armenia joining. At this point in time, it'd be hard to state with any certainty which one is closer to meeting the criteria.
@@federaltrust You are aware the UK fails to meet 30 out of the 59 requirements of the accession criteria???? One of those: a written constitution. Start with one and you only have 29 more . ...
I think that electoral reform is an absolute must. No rational organisation would want to accept the UK as part of it without our clearing out the rubbish in our system. Rock on with #ReJoinEU though!
Yes, getting rid of all the remoaning anti democrats would be a good start.
Why would we want to join such a club as the EU,anyway?
Yes, I know you have no answers, bud.
'Brexit and its desirable reversal' desirable for whom? What is the exact meaning of reversal in the context of the discussion?
The steps of how to become a member of the EU are well documented - it is only up to the UK (or what will develop out of it) to decide if they want to try to go all the way. With §49 of the EUropean constitution, the door is always open. If everybody behind this door would welcome the UK has to be tested, when the time is ripe, but it needs some self-confidence to try it!
It looks like in the post-colonialist era, whining has become a new UK attribute. We are not even going to try it because we could get rejected...
Let them whine, it feels well to them.
Whining? Currently we are all in various stages of grief. I have to say I’m still in anger, much of what I loved about this country has been smashed to bits. Cherished rights removed and more to be lost soon in a race to the bottom. And you wonder why we whine? My friends voted leave even though my wife is French. That’s pretty hard to reconcile even now.
Brexit isn’t reversible, that ship sailed a long time ago and I’m glad it isn’t in a way. I think it’s possibly healthy for us (putting my English hat on). We need to learn humility, and accept our place in the world. My hope is we as a nation will finally stop being serfs, and develop a proper democracy. However, I think the same thing every European or World Cup. I do worry we will gradually shift further further right politically into where Oswald Mosley left off. The current government is a large way on that path certainly.
I think the benefits of Brexit were all European, Brexit boosted internal coherence too given it killed the various leave EU movements overnight. Also, it gave boosts to various regions when business snd departments relocated. Well, unless you are a disaster capitalist.
As a German i am very critical to let the british join again. They always make trouble in one or an other way. British exceptionalism.
We don’t deserve ever being able. to rejoin, you are finding out already you are better without us? But please spare a thought for us remainers , doomed ,
Germany doesn't want Britain back in. Germany wants to completely dominate the EU. Maybe make another Reich?
If you think we want to be dictated to by the likes of Van Der Crazy you're very mistaken
@@maginot2u Disgraceful comment. You are living in the 19th century with views like that. Get a life.
@@maginot2u You are not really informed. Stupid to mention the "Reich". (sorry), Germany lost in several trials against Austria and Poland. We were even fined for not reaching the EU regulations concerning the CO2 emissions. Domination looks diffferent. With a population of 83 million we are considerably modest. - wish you all the best -
E.U does not need u.k, having always been a trouble maker this is what E.U was hoping for for a long time.
Exactly 💯
Great to see that two smart silver haired legends in the UK are still fighting the good fight. Would love to welcome you back. Greetings from 🇩🇪
@@JupiterThunder Someone who watches GB News can't call anyone else an intellectual pygmy. You'd be entertained by licking windows.
no thanks
There is no “reversing” Brexit, ever. EU membership is not a revolving door, especially for a country that used to enjoy huge privileges compared to other members. Rewinding time to 2015 would utterly destroy the concept of EU as a union of equals.
What can be reversed in the next decade are some of its effects, should UK unilaterally align to EU standards and therefore facilitate a more favorable TCA than the existing one. But this would not regain UK its lost SM membership.
I expect UK (as a whole or piecemeal) will eventually apply for EU membership again, and be admitted once it fully agrees to all the applicable rules. For England (or UK as a whole, if it doesn’t split up), I expect the process will take a few decades - possibly in line with JRM’s 50 years estimate for Brexit benefits to materialize.
Just don't give them back the veto right, please! They'll use it again - and again - and probably again.
With a system where 80.000 people out of 67 million can "elect" a prime minister, they can't be trusted to NOT sabotage the EU from within. They've tried that before, you know?
@@JupiterThunder UK has left the EU, period. It has also left several EU institutions that Leave campaigners promised it would remain into, in particular the Single Market.
I suppose you are complaining about the NIP, which was overwhelmingly approved by UK (it’s part of the Oven Ready Deal that gave Johnson an 80 seat majority). Considering that NI voted to remain in the EU, by a large margin, and that the GFA already provided a path for NI to leave UK entirely, NIP looks quite underwhelming.
You got the hardest Brexit you could reasonably have, short of closing the borders and turning NI into civil war again. If you want anything more, I suggest you uproot GB from the continental platform and tow it to the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
there will be no Swiss deal. EU ruled that out already.
Norway will block EFTA membership of UK.
So the only option is to apply for candidate EU membership and accept ALL EU rules and ECJ as well as the Euro currencies.
Oh, by the way. Turkey applied in 1987 EU membership and failed the test, like UK will.
And do not forget that several sovereign EU countries will veto UK back in EU
"as well as the Euro currencies"
Trolls keep saying this - but it isn't true.
@@emm_arr ""as well as the Euro currencies""
Is mandatory for new members!
@@marinusvos it is on paper, but they can't force countries, and it's not worth it for the EU
@@grassytramtracks
a new member now has five years from joining the eu to switch to the euro. if this does not happen in this time frame, it will automatically be expelled from the eu and will have to wait ten years before a new application for entry can be made.
that is how it is literally and figuratively stated in the new articles of association
Another example of incredible British arrogance! The UK might change its mind on Brexit, but it is the EU who decides, if, and under which conditions the UK might be accepted to join. And at the moment there is very little appetite for another racist nation in the club. But the signs in the UK at the moment are for more diversion from the EU anyway.
In the begining I actually was a bit sad to see the UK leaving, but in the meantime I am glad the UK has left the Union which UK senior politicians like to compare with the Soviet Union. Greetings from Europe, you know, the people you Brits like to call "EU rats"
De Gaulle knew it in the 1950ies, Europe and little England do not fit. Sadly nobody did listen
Not this Brit. And not all UK politicians. It’s that kind of sweeping generalisation and ignorant stereotyping that fuelled Brexit here. Be the change you want to see.
UK has in fact never been totally in the UE as all others. GB always wanted it’s own rules within the community. Going back would mean accepting to be a simple member, loosing all privileges past.
Perhaps that's exactly what's needed.
Ooo, you mean just like Germany and France.
@@williammunny4679 Yeah, yeah....oh wait ....No.
FPTP has to go, PR is the only solution for the future !
He clearly states that it is not only the Conservatives but also Labour who have to commit to a return to the EU. On my list the UK must at least do the following... the introduction of Proportional Representation, a written Constitution, a democratic elected second chamber, democratic accountability, separation of powers. At least 80% of voters living in and out of Great Britain should be in favor of returning to the EU. Introduction of the metric system. No more opt-outs but immediate implementing Schengen agreement, the Euro (no clause to legally bound to do so on a later date), immediate implementing Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union with no limitation on European courts ruling. implementing EU legislation adopted in the area of freedom, security and justice, implementing protocol on the Social Chapter of the Maastricht Treaty, which relate to social issues and particularly rights in the workplace. No more London-based clearing houses for clearing euro-denominated interest rate swaps. If they don't want to introduce these measures they can remain where they are.
I couldn't agree more
None of which will ever happen with the tories in power. They have to protect their tax havens you see, and launder dirty money from around the world.🤔
@@pseudonayme7717 The subject Tax Havens was my last point but I scrapped it. We have our own tax havens. I am Dutch and live in Luxembourg so I am living in countries famous for their tax laws. Curacao is also a tax haven. I understand that the EU is trying to introduce some laws this year.
I am sure a more representative legislative would make it easier to join the EU. Embedded in the structure of the EU and the Copenhagen criteria is an insistence on separation of powers.
The UK is definitely defective. Election of MPs is very skewed. The majority of MPs who have safe seats are in effect selected by notoriously opaque processes directed by the dominant parties. The Lords are put in place by the executive, a transgression of separation of powers that makes the consequent corruption such as buying places through party donations very unsurprising.
I agree about the legislative and Laws required to be accepted back in the EU.
But I'm afraid the EU will expect more than that and so I.
From 2026 campaign till now, little britain proved to be what it always been.
A xenophobic, narcissistic, corrupt, racist, autocratic colonial institutionalised.
I am French/ European and been offended, insulted for decades in little britain but brexit was the last straw.
It showed it true nature.
I hope a worst will happen for best of every single English.
Also the so called "United/ Great" Britain is no more.
Nobody wants England in the Union.
EUROPEAN UNION OR ANY OTHER.
Time to face the truth.
@@DavidDavid-gc9rm no, the EU will just expect us to meet criteria they established for new applicants if we try to rejoin. Then it’s up to the member nations which may be more problematic. Unfortunately I don’t know what Brexit showed even now, because very few people actually can explain why they voted leave.
I feel your pain, I’m insulted by the stupidity of my fellow English every day. Fortunately I married a wonderful French woman who keeps me sane.
UK back in the EU within 5-10 years? dream on. Unless there is a total turnaround in UK politics, the EU is not to have the UK join again. New members can only join by unanimity, and like France blocked the UK twice before in the 1960's. I am sure they'll do it again.
The UK is breaking up in any case....
@@imastaycool Scotland wouldn't have the same trouble as the UK, if it wishes to join the EU.
@@freudsigmund72 Scotland is part of the UK. At the moment.
Scotland would be accepted into the EU no problem.
Who knows about England and Wales.
The UK will move towards a federation of around 12 regions and nations. That will deliver that turn around - with politics - with the people themselves. That reform also prevents Scotland getting independence.
@@federateuk4776 another deluded little Englander?
The UK is NO MORE.
Haven't you been watching the news hahahaha
I fail to see how the UK will ever be welcomed back. UK is not special. They have to stand in line with the other applicants and they will have to accept the euro.
@@JupiterThunder just to mention a few candidates:
Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine
Britain is a basket case, the European union would be wise to leave well alone.
It would be in the EU’s interest to save its near neighbour from self/destruction.
@@federaltrust The price would be too high. Just consider how UK blocked a lot of progressive EU legislation, your xenophobic attitudes and your failed economy.
@@oneworld1160 blocked what.
Hello there tory! How is Tufton Street? EU folk as not as stupid as you, this approach will not work.
@@federaltrust It has always been in the EU's interest to compromise and create harmony. That was its founding goal and its economic nature. The UK is on its own path to self-destruction within the UK. The UK union is obsolete and a house divided cannot stand. The UK/England has shown itself and continues to show itself as a massively disruptive and untrustworthy neighbour within the UK and outside the UK. Closer alignment is inevitable in time. But as a rule-taker, not as a rule-maker.
Then we can all only hope that in 10 years there will be no referendum in the EU countries on whether we should have the UK back in the EU.
The UK can't reverse Brexit unilaterally.
and the others don't want them back ... this fine "democracy"
"Do you think the rest of the EU would be willing to have the UK back"...resentment?"" EU citizen here (France), there is NO resentment BUT a clear determination to have the UK or any nation thereof, to FULLY comply with rules, standards as they are TODAY / TOMORROW, that is if the nation is interested in joining. The other point is, Brexit costed us (the EU) quite a lot, so there will be NO discussions until BOTH Labour and Tory agree on an EU application AND with a huge majority of voters in this direction..
There is NO going back to the previous UK status hd in the EU (waivers on Schengen, the Euro, Tatcher's rebate, etc.) but a possible UK application to join the EU. That is to say there is no wiggle room for rule-bending. Many nations including France will veto any waiver request.
So no resentments but forget about rule bending and not having an overwhelming majority to join..
And that’s why the UK will never want to rejoin.
The U.K., does not deserve to be allowed back into the E.U.,'s single market as a full member.
''THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED' TO TOE THE LINE'''.
The English electorate voted the whole of the U.K., out of Europe and we are all now having to endure the hardships which this mindless piece of nationalistic bravado has caused.
We here in Northern Ireland and also in Scotland voted to remain but were dragged out by the larger English voting population.
I feel that this unfair state of affairs should be explained to the respective populations of the E.U.,'s member states.
@@Berlitz81 The UK won`t become once more a Member State of the European Union, not least on the grounds that it only takes 1 Member State to veto an application. France will veto an application, as would Spain. Fools must live with the decisions fools make. Alas I must live with them.
Burning thousands of EU regulations will kill all chances of rejoining. But you can always keep the dream alive
I would not ruch back to the EU.
1) We don't know whether they want us back at all over there.
2) I would wait until 80% of people are for the EU like in other EU countries. Imagine we enter SM and we leave it after 4 years because the EU bans us from dumping sewage into our waters. People will start remember well well old good days in the EU when NHS worked, people were buying houses in Spain, when Sterling meant something, when they could afford to build an extention.
3) Returning to SM is not a magic solution to solve issues. Like tax avoidance, corruption , zero hour contracts. We can ourselves as a free and democratic country introduce a British Version of EU's The Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive. Perhaps this will be a good test whether we belong to Europe or we belong to other continents.
Smart post, Jerry! Common sense, a very rare treasure these days.
Whether they want us back in beyond our control..
You are correct all referendums should be quorate. Although as brexit wasn't 🤷
It is no longer the choice of the UK.
Everything that's possible can only start by booting out the Tories!
Many thanks for this. I agree with all the encouraging words about the richness of European Culture . I want us to be in the EU, making positive contributions again.
And we'll have you with pleasure, should you knock at the door.🙂
What a pleasure to hear such a simple yet profound synopsis about Britain's place in Europe! We all know this but it is not brought up often enough.
The EU won't ever again let a country without a constitution join. Period.
Measure twice……
We have a constitution silly. It's perhaps the oldest!
@@Stigtoes .... then write in one document so we 🇪🇺 can read it and decide it meets democratic requirements or not ....
@@EllieD.Violet What, you don’t have lawyers?
@@therealjetlag We have lawyers. But why would we let those do the job the applicant needs to do herself?
If you want to keep your medieval loose leaf collection - fair enough. Just like it's fair enough that WE 🇪🇺 hence conclude that a country with a medieval mindset is unfit for membership (you proved that during your membership already).
You know: OUR club. OUR rules. OUR decisions.
WE 🇪🇺 make our rules as it pleases and suits us. If you don't like them - go whistle.
We don't need you - you need us.
Greetings from the EU 🇪🇺
Finally someone with common sense from the UK having a say! 😎
@Barry Jones glad you are out (comment without even reading your endless text)
Sorry, but brexit is real political opportunity for EU. Finally a chance for a more politically integrated EU. No more pure financial group of lower bidder.
UK has blocked EU all along to reach any improvement for the citizens. kept the EU to the minimum for the benefits its finance system.
EU is finally rid of the London city and its lobbyists, why should EU shoot again in the foot of its citizens ? There is a clear disagreement with EU being only for multinational company having it easier to escape national taxes, but this is the business model of the london city and UK´s territories all over the world.
UK can stay alone have deals with US and australia, even secret ones ...
Your own prejudices preclude you from understanding the world. You might think Brexit is welcomed in the EU but it is not. It damages the EU although not as much as it does the UK.
@@jontalbot1 you see only economics. it is indeed a little economic loss, but it is such a political win, that it can bring quite a economic win if it turns out well.
UK always blocked all what isn´t economic. typical liberal thinking, but most of EU citizens actually want more political integration and brexit is a unique chance. if politicians have some balls ...
@@jontalbot1 Prejudice? No. Facts!
@@jontalbot1 Speaking of prejudices your view itself is massively flawed. Brexit is very welcomed by the EU.
Excellent analysis of the EU and past involvement of the United Kingdom - Thank You.
I’m sorry but it seems *arrogant* to me for people in the UK to talk about joining the SM and the EU without explicitly mentioning that to join all EU and EFTA members would have to agree on that too and I think that that’s all but a given.
The EU probably would not want to spent any more time on UK negotiations unless it can be certain that there’s a clear and substantial (say >60%) majority amongst the voters and within all major political parties, now and in the foreseeable future, that would like to join the SM and the EU on the current EU rules.
I don’t think that that’s going to happen within 10 years. Not with the Tory ideological lunatics.
Well said.
We in the EU moved on.
Nobody talks about brexit anymore. The only ones complaining now are the brexiteers.
@@elipa3 Thank you.
I might have been a bit harsh on Prof Grayling but the way he talks it still feels like ‘They need us more like we need them’, even from someone like him.
When Brexit happened, that was the day when the UK entered it's Dark Ages.
How long Britain remains in the Dark Ages has yet to be seen, but it could be decades or even centuries.
The rest of the World progresses, whilst Brexit Britain remains in the doldrums.
Brexit is the greatest con inflicted on a Nation since Germany 1933...
Thought I was going to have to make the point that the EU will only have us back if we reform to proper PR. But the admirable Prof Grayling said it himself. Currently UK citizens cannot cast a fair vote that counts - that is the first-order motivation for reform. Brendan, i noted, remained somewhat aloof from acknowledging the absolutely fundamental importance of proper PR.
There are earlier FedTrust videos in which Brendan Donnelly stresses the importance of PR to any prospect of rejoining the EU,
@@federaltrust : thnks for that. I had taken his absence of response to the Prof's specific mentions of reform at, I believe, two junctues as disinterest or indifference.
Even the most committed brexiteer is by now feeling a cold dread that if the whole thing had never happened life would be much better.. but most people..of all all persuasions.. are getting a sinking feeling that it's not even about what the UK wants anymore.. it's about what the EU will allow it to have.. and as one commentator said.. the nasty flag waving and we're glad to be escaping this prison... will not be forgotten so quickly.. and it could so quickly arrive at a stage that the UK will be in serious trouble.. like the kind of trouble a drowning person is in..a person who will not argue with the one person who might save them.. but anyway
Most Brexiteers are annoyed that a more complete brexit wasn't implemented. Who cares what the EU will allow, it's no longer UKs concern, there is currently no path back to the EU, no political party (not even the lib dems) are campaigning for another referendum so it's not even going to be an election topic. Time for both the EU and UK to move on.
@@smoosview6103 you're missing the point I'm afraid..I'm asking you to imagine a scenario where the UK realises that it absolutely has to go back into the EU for economic survival..I'm not arguing whether this will happen or not...I'm asking you to imagine that scenario..in the future
@@willieodea83 Could also imagine the situation where the UK joins TPPA and never looks back at the decaying EU, oh wait that is actually happening... The UK has moved on from the EU, brexit is reality and unless the EU radically changes to a more democratic institution it is likely to continue be deeply unpopular both in Europe and around the world.
@@smoosview6103 so why exactly do you think the EU is decaying..I mean that is so akin to a toddler holding his breath imagining that his parents will be sorry when he dies sort of an argument
@@willieodea83 The EU has been decaying for some time, during the 2008 GFC the Euro almost collapsed, the debt to GDP ratio of some of its member states are nearing 150% plus, the Euro is seen as an abject failure for all but Germany and this was all pre covid and brexit. Now add on a rising trade deficit due to the departure of their prisoner UK, Germany and 5 other members in recession, greater exposure to the Ukraine war and the general Covid costs and you have an economy on the edge yet again. Rising unemployment while the UK continues to have the second lowest employment throughout the entire European region, the UK exports at all time highs, lowering trade deficits... No longer forced to buy expensive EU products... The EU has been seen as decaying by the entire world, unless it changes and allows its people to have more of a say then the unelected bureaucrats face being ousted by more countries taking them on. Don't get me wrong, the UK is no picnic right now but it's not due to brexit although it certainly isn't helping either, but the UK is well out of it and is better placed to recover faster as it opens new trade agreements with developing countries.
i am a EU citizen i don't want UK to join EU again , cuz UK will always have some drama , u wanted to be alone U ARE ALONE UK !!!! now stay POOR PLZZ
I most agree ! I feel sorry that they where lied to , but stop blaming other for your screw up !
Luckily you don’t count for anything
@@jontalbot1 Well handsome there a many more like him. There is an oppsition for a former disruptive member to re-apply.
@@jontalbot1 And you think you do?
@@mariobeauchemin7943 No of course not. If l did we would never have left. But l find it weird people like this character thinks the EU is about keeping countries out if you happen to dislike them yourself. The whole point if the EU is to bring nations and people together, even the awkward squad like Hungary, Poland, France (yes), the UK, Bulgaria etc. One day, not in our lifetimes, even Serbia
This is one of the few discussions on the Internet about the future of Brexit which is of so high quality. Thank you.....
High quality? I don't they are just saying things that seem obvious to me and rest of the world out of Britian.
Not a chance. To much damage is done. Unless, giving up the sterling pound, obey E.U rules in its full content, no more English exeptionalisme, understanding in the broad English opinion what the EU was all about. ( Most people have no clue) So. Resume. Not in 3 decades to come.
Sounds good. Full and proper integration.
Only the stupid are against.
Yeah, most British People are totally clueless about how EU is working, the values, integration, legislation. One of the reasons why Brexit happend in the first place.
@@anitagorse9204 After plain racism, its the second reason. Im afraid..
When you are used to privilege equality feels like oppression
Britain is turning into CATASTROPHE for its own citizens, Imigration is high , but it hides a RECORD emigration of NATIVES as far away from UK as they can get to Australia and Canada, people are tired of excuses why things are imploding. Britain is experiencing ECONOMIC MELTDOWN as we speak, by the end of decade it will leave place of 6th largest economy and end somewhere in 14th place.
Stupid Brexit ! But now, you stay out the EU. Good luck.
The EU is happy that the arrogant UK left. It is economiccally beneficial for them to keep Brexit going. The unhappy UK businesses are continue to move to the EU. The growing misery of the UK will encourage more cooperation amongst the remaining members and warns other members trying to leave.
Let's face it why would the EU want the whinging (Conservative) Poms back.
Obviously once the people of England have realised that Brexit was a very bad idea and booted out the Conservatives we won't rejoin as whinging Poms.
When the UK rejoins the EU we will become the most enthusiastic members for European unity for the simple reason that we've had direct experience of the alternative.
Why should the EU want to take back troublemakers? Britain has shat upon its cornflakes.
As far as I am aware it would take a unanimous vote of the 27 for Britain to be readmitted to the EU. Even one dissenting vote would be enough to keep Britain out. Europe is just not interested in engaging with chauvinism.
We don't want to rejoin away. These guys are just whiners. They will never get the number of people required to vote to rejoin the EU anyway. It's just a pipe dream of theirs.
@@grahamt5924 speak for yourself! Take a look at the polls
@@grassytramtracks It wil still be a decades long process to rejoin the EU. I think.
@Walkable Cities We can't just keep having referendums on the same question. People are going to start thinking we have schizophrenia as a nation if we keep chopping and changing all over the place.
We have left. We need to now be bold and make it work. We don't need to be part of the EU anyway.
Prof Grayling BEFORE Britain joined in the ECC in 1972 we had 28% inflation. We had to go to IMF to borrow money. Britain was called " the sick man " of Europe and the £ was devalued and loss 1/3 of it value. Today we heading in same direction only 10 X WORSE. We have negative balance of trade, WE import 80% of our food. We do not make car, aircraft, ship or lorries. We import steel, coal and oil and electrical ( white) goods which we used to make. Britain has to re-join the EU or face starving or going bankrupting.
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As a native English speaker living long-term in Europe, I can assure you, the EU doesn't want the UK back. For numerous reasons, not least of which is that the UK is an (very) unreliable partner. Other reasons surely exist, too, but the hoops that the UK will have to jump through to rejoin will be bigger and more. Furthermore, if the UK is ultimately taken back, there won't be any special treatment like there was because London was a financial centre. You can forget that.
Yes I also think the EU would take the british back but not allow them to keep doing the cherry picking they did when they were a member bevor.
Scotland, Wales and NI will rejoin but no one wants to mention England is like an STD no one wants
they need to drop the pound so that there are less greedy interests against the EU
The truth is that the UK was right to leave the EU. It has a greater level of democratic control over its own laws and borders. It also saves billions each year in EU membership fees.
Crap
I do believe that after the UK's official decision to rejoin the EU, there should be another compulsory step: a referendum in all the states members of the EU, to have a clear view if the EU citizens are willing to accept the UK back. Referendums and not just political decision.
Two bigger questions:
Will the EU want to re-admit the UK?
This is because Brexit has been extremely beneficial to the EU. Now that the UK has proven De Gaul right [that the only reason why the UK wanted to join the then EEC was for mercantile reasons, when for them it was a bigger project, a federated Europe..], you can be assured that the EU will demand no opt outs, and so:
Will the UK accept the Euro?
Now the EU knows the UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK and it’s anti EU xenophobes….I am sorry guys, but unless the UK accepts WHOLE of the EU, including the icky bits like an EU Army, EU Federation and sovereignty, and the Euro.. and then to have some future generation Nigel Farages again run anti EU hate campaigns… it is not going to happen for at least another 20-30 years or more, if ever. They know at it core the UK is deeply divided by those who hate the EU, and those who do not. They do not want a repeat of BREXIT at some future stage, and they will be right.
Do not expect the continental Europeans to be very enthusiastic for a return in EU of the UK because how Britain did treat them in the past, especially after 2016.
@@railtheater-amsterdam Yes, they will have looooong memories, and they can read English Papers...I will give it 30 years Plus, if at all..
This is like after the divorce, the husband finding things are not as rosy as a divorcee, and the wife finding being divorced from that arrogant and abusive husband is actually better, but now the ex husband whats to get married again... and the ex wife is going... fuck this for a joke! No way am I going to have that arrogant, abusive, demanding, entitled ex husband in my life just because he is demanding to come back and get married again... No way!
Once bitten, twice shy........
Europeans I have spoken to were mystified why the UK left and had no anti British agend. Confused and a little saddened, that's about all.
@@tompiper9276 with respect sir… the views you have canvased is a small sample, and canvassing was not done in a scientific and statistically valid manner…
@@hypercomms2001 wwwwwwwwwell said, should be advertised on the front page of the tabloids
Rejoin? No thank you!!!
UK got what they voted for.
No cherry picking anymore, no blocking, no slowing down, no extra rules, no excuses, no exemptions, no complaints.
No swiss style benefits.
EU is happy that we got rid of UK.
@Hios K well, be realistic. The "young" did not vote at all at that referendum.
Additionally, UK would have to go through the whole process for a rejoin.
And first if all, ALL EU members have to agree. Do you really think that will happen?
No we're not, the EU is weaker now, so how is that desirable? Should the Brits humbly knock on our door, I would gladly let them in, all be it without the rebate and with the Euro.
@@CHALETARCADE why should we? Look at UK now. Nothing EU needs.
UK claimed "EU needs UK more than UK needs EU". Good joke.
@Hios K it hasn't been enough time for it to be in the past... You can't just sweep something like this under the rug so easily especially not after the incessant EU bashing. Here's to hoping the EU will not let the UK in for at least the next 50 years
exactly, also yu can have the bill and all the vagrants back 48 k of them
The people of the UK have been dealt an enormous disservice by the Tory Party. Such, that any return to the EU would be on the basis of the UK proving it is worthy of a place at the table.
Trust and honour can be a costly commodity.
This is why am advocating prosecutuion for the illegality associated with Brexit.
@@emm_arr Didn't BJ try and make that a virtual impossibility?
@@Charles-pz6ux Possibly, I believe the offence of misconduct in public office applies for at least one current or ex-PM and severall cabinet members.
Of course, we will need a PM to not BLOCK prosecutions and investigations on political groiunds like May did.
@@emm_arr More supreme arrogance. There has been no illegality associated with Brexit, otherwise brighter people than you would have taken a legal argument to the courts.
@@hughbasham4389 ^^Russian troll
"otherwise brighter people than you would have taken a legal argument to the courts" You need the police and CPS to do that - not "bright people".
British elite is still drunken in the glory of the good old days. The train for European integration and Britian had long leave the station. A long an painful decline is the only thing you guys can look forward to
what an uplifting and hopeful message - thank you!!!!!
Nobody associated with the Federal Trust would ever use the term “EU rats.”
No, of course not, but do realise the EU population did see and hear about the nasty comments made in the British gutter press and Tory politicians. And then there was the utterly obnoxious behaviour in the final EP session of turning backs by Farage et al.
There is hardly any sympathy left and don’t be fooled by some enthusiastic EU politicians they may be friendly in your face but do know at the same time the sentiments within their constituencies. UK needs to eat humble pie and lots of it before even thinking about applying again, re-join does not exist. Study the Copenhagen criteria, live by them for a while and then possibly, just maybe.
@@abbofun9022 If you come back, you better come crawling on your knees. You better know 50 ways to say I'm sorry, and you better bring gifts. HUGE gifts!
Peace and love from a woman scorned 😉
@@ane-louisestampe7939 "You better know 50 ways to say I'm sorry"
Just 50? I expect them to be more creative!
@@JupiterThunder we don't because people like you exist
It is good to see the start of an objective discussion about the UK and his role in Europe. However, you are too optimistic in your assumption that the UK can rejoin the EU as nothing has happened. It is the attitude of the UK towards Europe that has to change, a social change. A kind of change which is not easy to achieve and will take a lot of time.
I imagine he's being over-optimistic as a tactic to keep the discussion open (as opposed to "They'll never let us back in, forget it!" cutting the subject off) but he is laying it on a little thick.
@@zippymufo9765 I can live with your explanation. Very common sense. 👌
I believe that UK will be back in the EU in about ten years however I also believe that UK will not get the benefits that it hade when in the EU things like the euro m will be a demand
The EU will require the UK join the Euro, secondly all the benefits that the UK previously enjoyed won't be offer again. Sadly I am not optimistic.
I do agree
Make that 20 years. More realistic.
A unified Ireland and an independent Scotland that joins the EU might happen first.
@@marinusvos 20 years, or more, will be required before UK submits its application. Then negotiations would begin. Their typical duration has significantly increased lately - at least another decade.
Dear Professor,
Unfortunately, Europe doesn't want you back.
Sincerely yours
Bullshit ofc they can come back .. germany is the best example of getting a second chance after having fucked up . Why treat others different? Stupid. Hey UK when you sorted your shit out welcome back.. if you want that is ;)
I don't blame them
@@clendatu for UK to sort out it's shit, we talk about 5 decades, not 5 years.
@@clendatu We don't want england back. Never.
We didn't leave Europe. That would be pretty impossible. Nor is the EU synonymous with Europe.
You may come back to the EU and you may be made welcome, but it would be delusional to think you will get the same conditions as those you had. Then people may finally realize how foolish they were
Joining Schengen and the euro may well look very attractive to British voters in a few years time.
You mean they haven’t realised this already.
@@federaltrustThis is both funny and sad.
@@federaltrust you are deluded, so sad for you, that you can't see the truth owing to you being an EU sycophant
We know.
Some of us want full integration. Some of us consider ourselves European.
With the contentious way that Britain forced their way out of the EU why would the EU choose to deal with additional garbage behaviour?
Napoleon. World War 1. World war 2. Balkans. Never any thanks.